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Episode: Two Retirement Experts Discuss How They’ll Decide When to Retire
Host: Robert Brokamp
Guest: Dan Kaplinger (Motley Fool contributor)
Date: January 31, 2026

Episode Overview

In this special personal finance edition, host Robert Brokamp sits down with fellow Motley Fool veteran Dan Kaplinger to have an open, candid discussion about how each is approaching the pivotal decision of when (and how) to retire. Drawing from decades of expertise as financial planners, as well as personal reflection, the conversation covers emotional, financial, and practical considerations — all relevant for anyone wrestling with their own retirement questions. Along the way, they reference current housing market data, tools for retirement planning, and the realities of leaving a satisfying job.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Housing Market Stats & Context

• Canceled Home Purchase Agreements (00:16)

  • December saw over 40,000 home purchase cancellations (16.3% of contracts), highest since Redfin began tracking.
  • “One reason could be that homebuyers are becoming more cautious amidst economic anxiety.”
  • Increase in inventory provides buyers more choice and willingness to walk away.
  • Quote from Chen Zhao (Redfin):

    “Home sellers outnumber buyers by a record margin, meaning the buyers who are in the market have options and may walk away if they believe they can find a better or more affordable home.” (00:49)

• Home Price Growth Trends (01:30)

  • S&P Case-Shiller Index declined 0.1% in November, up only 1.4% year-over-year.
  • Home prices up 50% since pandemic; double-digit gains in 2020, 2021.
  • Over 20 years, homes returned just 3.1%/year on average, similar to long-term Treasuries—much lower than S&P 500’s 10.8%.

• Affordability Crisis (02:14)

  • “75%” is the number of the week: That’s how many homes are unaffordable to the average American.
  • Median home ($430,000) needs $113,000/year income; median income is ~$80,000.
  • Only 11/34 major metros offer 30%+ of homes affordable to middle-income families.
  • Cited reasons: Price growth, stagnant wages, high mortgage rates, and a 4.7 million home deficit.

2. Determining When to Retire: The Experts’ Approach

Emotional and Psychological Factors (04:29, 07:49)

• Dan admits to overanalyzing the decision:

  “There’s so many factors. There’s emotional factors, there’s financial factors, there is personal life and personal lifestyle factors, all kinds of stuff. … I’m not going to be 100% certain that it’s going to work out. It’s going to be a jump into the void.” (04:29)

• Both speakers express anxiety about never feeling totally “ready.”

Financial Considerations & Tools (05:17)

• Dan's methodical side:
  • Uses detailed spreadsheets since early career—tracks all contributions, projections, and “slush funds.”
  • Cross-checks with online retirement calculators (Social Security, Motley Fool tools).
  • Tailors mainstream planning advice to personal needs and risk preferences.

  “Oh, I’ve got spreadsheets out the wazoo, bro, which should surprise you not at all.” (05:26)

  • Continually tries to account for “unknown unknowns”.

The Impact of Job Enjoyment & Life Timing (07:49, 13:43)

• Early plans to retire at 50 faded as Dan found fulfillment at Motley Fool and the timing coincided with COVID restrictions.

• Financially “set” but hesitant due to practical uncertainties and missing out on activities during the pandemic.

• Sheds light on the common theme that even experienced planners never feel fully secure about account for “every possible contingency” or the shifting economic and political environment.

• Sabatticals vs. Full Retirement:

  • Knowing what to do in the first year is easy, but what will happen in year five or ten?
  • Sometimes, a sabbatical is more appropriate than total retirement.

  “You never feel like you have enough. ... You never feel like you have everything set…” (09:22)

Staying Engaged: Social Networks & Activities (11:25)

• Recommends connecting with both retirees and those still working to predict and prepare for lifestyle changes.

  • “Talking to people who’ve recently retired, ask them...has it been as good as they expected it to be? ... Build that network in advance, both outside and at work.” (11:25, 13:05)

• Value in maintaining personal and professional relationships, and learning from others’ experiences to avoid pitfalls.

3. Risk of Unplanned Retirement & External Factors

Health and Longevity (13:43)

• Robert’s perspective shifted by seeing peers retire early due to health setbacks.
  • “As I’ve gotten older, I’ve seen more and more people … die too soon or experience health issues such that they won’t be able to pursue most of their retirement dreams…” (13:43)
• Emphasizes that unplanned retirement is common—average retirement occurs three years earlier than planned.

Employment Insecurity & AI Disruption (14:36)

• Robert and Dan both voice concern about industry change (AI) and its impact on future job security, even for specialized, creative roles.

  “There are real threats to what we do and our industry is changing quite a bit. Having that kind of contingency plan I think is vital…” (14:36)

• Dan, as an independent contractor, has always planned as if his contract might not be renewed — a “lawyer brain” mindset, useful in prompting early and continual contingency planning.

The Next Generation’s Job Market (16:48)

• Decline in entry-level hiring, as AI displaces some of the traditional “upslope” jobs.
• Even professionals (e.g., partners at law firms) are rethinking new hires.

  “Maybe we don’t need to hire as many young people because AI can do the grunt work that the young folks did. I think that’s short-sighted, but it is reality right now.” (16:48)

4. Healthcare Coverage: A Key Retirement Hurdle (17:36)

• Both discuss paths to affordable health insurance before Medicare eligibility (age 65):

  • Robert’s spouse’s new academic career provides robust health benefits.
  • Dan relies on his wife’s public sector job for family coverage — but recognizes uncertainty if she stops working.
  • Massachusetts' state exchange offers an option, but is expensive.
  • Considering part-time work post-retirement as a source of insurance, not income.

  “That’s the biggest threat to my financial situation is an unexpected health situation.” (18:47)

5. Retirement Calculators & Planning Tools (and How to Use Them) (21:46)

• Robert’s favorite free tool: Calc XML Comprehensive Retirement Planning Module (search for “606” in URL).
• Paid options: Maxify, Projection Lab, and Bolden (disclose: Motley Fool Ventures invests in Bolden).
• Strong recommendation to double-check calculations and assumptions using several tools.
• “Analyze your own retirement plan and see if you’re on track…”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan Kaplinger, on retirement’s uncertainty:

  “Whenever I make a final decision ... it’s going to be a jump into the void. And you just have to have the faith that it’s going to work out.” (04:29)

• On using spreadsheets:

  “I’ve got spreadsheets out the wazoo, bro, which should surprise you not at all.” (05:26)

• On contemplating a sabbatical:

  “My friend ... within a year he was bored. … He probably just needed a sabbatical, just needed a break, which many people out there might be in that situation…” (10:29 - Robert Brokamp)

• On the unpredictability of the future:

  “There are still all these unknown unknowns out there you have to somehow account for.” (05:44 - Dan Kaplinger)

• On retirement as a “transition” more than a total stop:

  “I hesitate to say retire because I ... feel like it’s going to be a transition more than a retirement. ... I hope that I’m spending my time doing something—whether it’s paid work, whether it’s volunteering, whether it’s something that makes a difference.” (19:47 - Dan Kaplinger)

Timestamps of Important Segments

• 00:16 – Housing market update: surge in canceled home sales
• 01:30 – Home price growth vs. stock market; long-term returns
• 02:14 – Unaffordable homes: 75% of homes out of reach for median families
• 03:47 – Brokamp introduces main conversation: How to decide when to retire
• 04:29 – Dan on the multifaceted, uncertain nature of the decision
• 05:17 – Dan details his spreadsheets and planning approach
• 07:49 – Emotional pull of work vs. financial security; sabbaticals
• 10:29 – Example of a failed retirement, need for sabbatical
• 11:25 – The importance of building a supportive and informative network
• 13:43 – Health, longevity, and the risk of unplanned retirement
• 14:36 – Risks of AI/job market disruption; always preparing for job loss
• 16:48 – Hiring trends and generational employment shifts
• 17:36 – Prioritizing health insurance in retirement planning
• 19:47 – Predicting retirement dates & the preference for transitions over abrupt stops
• 21:46 – Robert’s favorite free and paid retirement calculators

Conclusion & Action Items

• Both experts stress the need for flexibility, ongoing reassessment, and a strong contingency plan, no matter how “ready” you appear financially.
• Don’t overlook the emotional, social, and health aspects — retirement is a “transition,” not a line in the sand.
• Start talking to current retirees and build connections now; this will shape your expectations and provide useful caution.
• Use multiple retirement planning tools and stress-test your assumptions.
• Pay special attention to the costs and logistics of healthcare coverage prior to Medicare eligibility.
• Most importantly: You’ll never have 100% certainty when retiring, but thoughtful preparation (on both finances and lifestyle) will make the leap easier to navigate.

Final Word from Robert Brokamp:
“Analyze your own retirement plan and see if you’re on track to retire when and how you want. ... My favorite [calculator] comes from Calc XML... There are also some high-quality tools that will cost you a bit of money, but I think it’s a worthwhile investment.” (21:46)

Tone: Authentic, practical, thoughtful, occasionally light-hearted. The conversation reflects deep expertise with humility and real-world concerns.

For anyone facing retirement—or early career professionals building towards it—this episode offers both comfort and actionable wisdom.