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Episode: What’s a Waymo Anyway?
Date: November 26, 2025
Host: Travis Hoyam
Guests: Rachel Warren and John Quast

Overview

This episode of Motley Fool Money dives into the state and future of the autonomous vehicle industry, with a particular focus on Waymo’s progress compared to Tesla and others. It tackles the technical distinctions, strategies of key players, investment perspectives, and the transformative potential for ride-sharing and related business models. The episode also examines the complexities of industry adoption, scalability, competitive landscape, and business model evolution as autonomous technology advances.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Waymo’s Early Lead in Autonomous Vehicles

• Waymo’s Expansion: Waymo is providing fully driverless rides in cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Phoenix, with rapid expansion into new markets including cold-weather cities (Minneapolis, Detroit, Seattle).
• Technical Superiority and Approach:
  • Waymo uses a comprehensive suite of sensors (multiple LIDAR, radar, and cameras), mapping cities to millimeter precision.
  • Tesla relies solely on a vision-based system (cameras), emphasizing cost-efficiency over sensor comprehensiveness.
• Market Engagement: Estimated to have completed more than 250,000 rides several months ago, a figure likely much higher now.

“Waymo meticulously maps every inch of its operational cities down to millimeter precision. ... That so far is putting them ahead of the pack.”
— Rachel Warren [01:52]

2. Is Waymo’s Lead Insurmountable?

• Perspective on Technological Lead:
  • John initially questions the significance of Waymo’s lead. Despite being ahead, he highlights that we're still in the "early adopter" phase, with <1% of Americans having ridden in a driverless taxi ([03:14]).
  • There is still significant room for competitors to catch up as the industry moves towards mainstream adoption.

“The stats that I saw, less than 1% of the population has even taken a ride in a driverless taxi at this point in the US... we’re still in the early adopter phase.”
— John Quast [03:14]

3. Divergent Paths: Safety vs. Cost-First Strategies

• Waymo: Prioritizes safety and technological completeness, betting costs will decrease with scale and mass production.
• Tesla: Focuses on software-driven, scalable solutions, banking that cost leadership and rapid updates will allow for widespread adoption once the tech matures.

“If you reverse the strategy there, you can very much end up in a situation where there are key safety concerns which inflate your costs over time anyway.”
— Rachel Warren [06:44]

4. The Importance of Scalability, Adoption Rate, and Costs

• Market Projection:
  • The US autonomous taxi market is forecasted to leap from $1 billion in 2022 to over $100 billion in 2031 (per Fortune Business Insights) ([05:29]).
  • Cost-effectiveness will ultimately determine success, regardless of who deploys first.

“What is the point of being first in an industry that has bad economics?”
— John Quast [09:38]

5. International and Competitive Landscape

• Key Competitors:
  • Aurora Innovation: Focused on long-haul trucking autonomy.
  • Mobileye: Supplies advanced driver-assistance tech to major automakers, aiming to scale upward in autonomy levels.
  • Nvidia: Supplies chips and AI for the sector.
  • Pony.AI: Develops robotaxis and autonomous trucking.
  • Chinese players (Baidu, WeRide): Robust government support, advanced adoption in Asia.
  • Mercedes-Benz: Surprisingly, the first to achieve certified Level 3 driving in certain jurisdictions.
  • Zoox (Amazon): Very limited robotaxi deployments so far.

“It was Mercedes-Benz. That just always kind of blows my mind because you don’t think of them as even a player in this space. But they were at at least level three first.”
— Travis Hoyam [13:43]

6. Investment Angles and Where to Look

• Mobileye highlighted as an intriguing investment, given its dominance in the foundational layers of automotive autonomy and its expanding data assets ([14:55]).
• Global regulatory landscapes (e.g., Europe, China) may drive faster development and commercialization than the US in some cases.

7. The Future of Ride-Sharing with Autonomous Vehicles

• Potential Transformation:
  • Uber and Lyft could benefit as supply increases and costs drop (targeting $1/mile rides, a 50–70% cut).
  • Aggregator model (Uber, DoorDash, Instacart) likely “here to stay,” despite possible disruption ([17:19]).
  • Fleet operation model is becoming more probable than independent vehicle owners operating as drivers.
• Variability by Market: Some cities see Waymo operate independently, directly competing with Uber and Lyft (Waymo One app); in others, it's available via Uber’s platform, expanding Uber's offering.

“I don’t think we’re going to see a winner-takes-all situation. I don’t think there’s just one way for these businesses to play that. … They’re trying to see what business models stick. It’s really, really early days still.”
— Rachel Warren [20:30]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tech Approaches:

  “Waymo uses this comprehensive sensor suite … what that means in layman’s terms is it allows for really effective operations in a wide range of conditions, even though it comes at a higher per vehicle cost.”
  — Rachel Warren [01:28]

• Early Stages of Adoption:

  “According to the law of diffusion of technology, we’re still in the early adopter phase.”
  — John Quast [03:14]

• The Cost vs. Safety Debate:

  “If you’re building a plane, right, you want to have zero failures… rather than saying, we got a really cheap plane, but it crashes every once in a while.”
  — Travis Hoyam [05:57]

• Industry Economics Reality Check:

  “What is the point of being first in an industry that has bad economics? I can think about airlines for a good example here.”
  — John Quast [09:38]

• Aggregator Business Model’s Endurance:

  “By and large, these properties remain on Airbnb because that is where the consumer is… even if you’re a really good property… So I really see that being your trajectory of where this space is going.”
  — John Quast [18:11]

Important Timestamps

• [01:07] – Waymo’s lead, sensor approach vs. Tesla
• [03:03-03:14] – Debate on significance of Waymo’s lead and market phase
• [04:00] – Cost and scalability (Tesla’s “flip the switch” vs. Waymo’s hardware intensity)
• [05:05] – Scaling’s importance and cost projections ($1B → $100B)
• [07:57] – Evidence of rapid expansion to cold-weather and more diverse markets
• [11:48] – Breakdown of other notable companies and investment angles in autonomous driving
• [13:33] – Mercedes-Benz’s surprise leadership in Level 3 autonomy
• [14:55] – Case for investing in Mobileye
• [16:48] – Deep dive into ride-sharing model transformation, implications for Uber/Lyft
• [19:26] – Rachel on how aggregators and suppliers will interplay in the autonomy era
• [20:30] – Multiple business models and early days for adoption strategies

Conclusion

This episode emphasizes that Waymo currently leads in US autonomous taxi deployment, especially in terms of operational safety and sophistication, but the industry remains in its nascence with multiple approaches still viable. Competition is intensifying, with regulatory conditions and global advancements accelerating. The path to mass adoption will not just require technical success but also economic viability, cost competitiveness, and adaptive business models—especially as ride-sharing ecosystems evolve. Investors are advised to watch carefully, as the autonomy era’s clear winners remain far from decided.