'Deathly Hallows, Part 1' Movie Commentary Track

Summary

MuggleCast “Deathly Hallows, Part 1” Movie Commentary Track

Podcast: MuggleCast: The Harry Potter Re-Read Podcast
Host Panel: Andrew, Eric, Micah, Laura
Date: July 8, 2026
Episode Focus: Full commentary track on "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 1" movie

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Episode Overview

In this special episode, the MuggleCast hosts record their long-awaited commentary for the "Deathly Hallows, Part 1" film—the last of the eight main Harry Potter movies left to cover. Designed as a companion track, listeners are expected to sync their viewing with the podcast as the hosts rewatch the movie. The group reflects on the adaptation, discusses key scenes, performances, book-to-film changes, and the cultural impact of the movie, all in their signature blend of camaraderie, humor, and thoughtful analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Thoughts and Sync Instructions

[02:06] Andrew:

• The hosts prepare listeners to sync the track just after the WB logo.
• Acknowledges this is the last main series movie for their commentary collection.
• Jokes about the long delay and the odd order of recording previous commentary tracks.

[03:01] Eric & Laura:

• Both name "Deathly Hallows, Part 1" as their favorite Harry Potter film, praising its room to breathe and faithfulness to the book.
  • “I feel like this is the one that came the closest to accurately capturing both details from the book and also the setting and what it felt like to read the story.”—Laura [03:01]

2. Why Part 1 Is a Favorite

[03:33] Andrew & Eric:

• The split into two films is applauded for giving “room to breathe.”
• Eric emphasizes the character-driven journey:
  • “This film feels like it's the journey with those characters. So it's like the perfect marriage of, if you're familiar with the characters from the books, actually seeing them on screen, this film gets it right the most.” — Eric [12:28]

3. Performances and Adaptation Decisions

• A key theme: how much the actors have grown into their roles by this film.

• Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort: Multiple hosts praise his “quiet intimidation,” but Laura points out some battle scenes are less subtle [14:51].

  • “The scenes with quiet intimidation, he's incredible in the role. When you get to battle scenes and he's, like, making all these weird noises...”—Laura [14:51]

• Adaptation choices like omitting red eyes for Voldemort (for relatability) and the differences in the use of Polyjuice Potion—both in terms of visuals and narrative necessity—are discussed at length.

  • “In the first... The first time they did it for the second movie, I guess made sense so the audience could keep up. But should not absolutely be the case in future adaptations because I think it's dumb.”—Eric [22:56]

4. Favorite and Emotional Moments

• Acknowledgment of lost scenes (Hermione’s parents, deleted Dursley closure).
• The death of Hedwig is pointed out as a symbolic loss of innocence:
  • “The reason Hedwig dies… Hedwig's death marked the end of Harry's childhood.”—Andrew [24:53]
• Reflecting on Robbie Coltrane (Hagrid) after his passing, lending the scene extra emotion [22:11].

5. Book-to-Film Differences and Adaptation Choices

• The addition of scenes (Hermione with her parents), and exclusions (Harry and Dudley’s goodbye, Yaxley at the Grangers’).
• The hosts frequently note moments where the adaptation “gets it right” versus places they wish the films had included more detail or book content.
  • “But little things like this where it's like, oh, by the way, this is... this is this Weasley brother you've never seen? And oh, by the way, he got attacked by Fenrir back… and oh, Lupin and Tonks are married. Cool. Got it.”—Laura [19:13]

6. Commentary on Fandom Culture & Pop Culture Crossovers

• Jokes about what modern Harry Potter movie popcorn buckets would be (“Nagini unhinging her jaw” for Part 1 popcorn bucket—Laura [16:41]; “Hermione’s expanded purse” [19:06]).
• Nostalgia for 3D glasses and early movie tie-in merchandise.
• Discussion of the rise of “film podcasting,” including shoutouts to podcasts like "Harry Potter: The Official Film Podcast" [06:11].

7. The Ministry Heist & Political Subtext

[67:27] Eric:

• Analyzes the Ministry’s anti-Muggleborn policies as a fascism metaphor:
  • “Replace mud blood with any minority group or Muggle-born with any minority group and replace wand with diploma citizenship, you know, passport… you have a perfect metaphor for pretty much everything that's going on under fascism.”—Eric [67:27]
• Humor about flushing into the Ministry and various “corporate” jokes about office life [62:22].

8. Iconic and Notable Sequences

• Praise for the visual storytelling:
  • The “Tale of the Three Brothers” animated sequence receives unanimous acclaim.
    • “Speaking of stuff that's held up well, I mean, you know, this sequence is just fantastic.”—Andrew [118:57]
• Reflections on the dance scene between Harry and Hermione; multiple interpretations:
  • “The dance is not romantic. The dance is—we're devastated and have lost so much, but need to keep going, you know, as friends.”—Eric [85:40]

9. Darkness and Growing Up

• The hosts highlight how the movie’s tone, especially with scenes like Bathilda/Nagini and the locket’s vision, shows the darkness of this entry in the series [98:30–110:27].
• Joking but heartfelt discussion about how “the kids” have grown up, and how the movies’ and fandom’s approach has evolved with them.

10. Reflecting on the Split & Ending

• “And really Deathly Hallows being split, I think, is the only success story in terms of other book to films adaptations... It didn't go well with Breaking Dawn, Hunger Games, too.” —Andrew [29:37]

• Recollections about anticipation for where Part 1 would end and how the audience, like the protagonists, is left in a state of loss, poised for the grand conclusion.

  • “The book is really about loss. And I like that the film feels like, what have we accomplished? What have we lost along the way?” —Eric [140:26]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• [12:28] Eric: “This film feels like it's the journey with those characters. So it's like the perfect marriage of, if you're familiar with the characters from the books, actually seeing them on screen, this film gets it right the most.”
• [14:51] Laura: “The scenes with quiet intimidation, he's incredible in the role. When you get to battle scenes and he's, like, making all these weird noises.”
• [24:53] Andrew: “Hedwig's death marked the end of Harry's childhood.”
• [16:41] Laura: On special popcorn buckets: “For part one, definitely Nagini unhinging her jaw. Perfect timing for the scene we're in.”
• [22:56] Eric: “They keep their voice thing... I don't think it makes any sense.”
• [29:37] Andrew: “Deathly Hallows being split, I think, is the only success story in terms of other book to films adaptations.”
• [67:27] Eric: “Replace mud blood with any minority group... and you have a perfect metaphor for pretty much everything that's going on under fascism.”
• [85:40] Eric: On the Harry & Hermione dance scene: “The dance is not romantic. The dance is—we're devastated and have lost so much, but need to keep going, you know, as friends.”
• [118:57] Andrew: On the “Three Brothers” sequence: “This sequence is just fantastic.”
• [140:26] Eric: “The book is really about loss. And I like that the film feels like, what have we accomplished? What have we lost along the way?”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:06] — Starting the sync; episode context & expectations
• [03:01–14:51] — Discussion: Why is DH1 the best adaptation?
• [24:32–25:11] — Reflecting on Hedwig’s death and symbolism
• [31:48] — Harry tries to leave; trio tension rising
• [36:06] — Merch talk: Would you buy Dumbledore’s will parchment?
• [40:02–42:23] — Wedding sequence: adaptation, new details, and social commentary
• [67:27] — Ministry scene & the regime’s metaphorical resonance
• [85:04–89:04] — Harry/Hermione dance scene: interpretations, music choices
• [110:11–111:31] — Destroying the Horcrux: body doubles and intensity
• [118:13–118:57] — Tale of the Three Brothers: animation and adaptation accolades
• [126:23] — The Snatchers chase: “Everyone's a master of non-verbal spells.”
• [132:46] — Bellatrix’s torture scene, R/ratings and adaptation boundaries
• [136:38–137:42] — Dobby’s death and tribute
• [140:26–142:17] — Emotional tone at the ending and film split

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Miscellaneous Highlights

• Running “popcorn bucket” joke: from Nagini to Hermione’s purse to Dobby’s head [various].
• Fandom lore: Polyjuice plot crutch, “Potterwatch” and possible nods to fan podcasts.
• Gentle jabs at adaptation pitfalls (“not enough chemistry for Ginny,” “montage overkill,” “missing peacocks” at Malfoy Manor).
• Continuous anticipation and skepticism about the upcoming HBO TV reboot.
• Personal anecdotes: attending premiers, impacts of cast deaths (Coltrane), and memories from the fandom heyday.

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Final Thoughts

MuggleCast’s “Deathly Hallows, Part 1” commentary is a warm, insightful, and often hilarious look at what makes this installment stand out in both film and book form. The hosts’ deep knowledge and friendship add layers of analysis – from craft, performances, and adaptation choices to the broader social and personal resonance. For fans and newcomers alike, this commentary offers both expertise and heart, making it the perfect companion for a re-watch or a first-time viewing alike.

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For listeners new to MuggleCast, check out more movie commentaries via the “must listens” page mentioned at the end, and stay tuned for the Chapter-by-Chapter re-read of "Deathly Hallows."

Transcript

[Andrew]

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[Eric]

I'm Eric.

[Micah]

I'm Micah.

[Laura]

And I'm Laura.

[Andrew]

And we're your Harry Potter friends, hosting a unique episode of Mugglecast. Today we are recording our Deathly Hallows Part 1 commentary track. You're going to need your own copy of Deathly Hallows today. We can't play the audio through the podcast, otherwise WB would sue us to hell. So please grab your copy while we tee up today's episode. This is the final movie for which we have to record a commentary track, which is unbelievable. We've even recorded commentary tracks for all the Fantastic Beasts movies. But for some reason, we never got around to Deathly Hallows Part 1. So we're doing that today.

[Eric]

Some reason, yes, indeed. And I don't remember what any of the reasons were or what order we went in. I think maybe during COVID we were like, we gotta do a movie commentary track because it'll be a good time and get people together. But we didn't pick that. Might have been when we did the first one, actually. I'm not sure. But Deathly Hallows Part 1 For no Love Lost. This is my favorite one. I'm really excited to do this commentary track because this might be my favorite of the movies.

[Laura]

Yeah, I agree with you. If I were to rank the movies, Deathly Hallows Part 1 is my favorite movie. I feel like, in terms of the quality of the adaptation, but also just the tone of the movie. I feel like the. This is the one that came the closest to accurately capturing both details from the book and also the setting and what it felt like to read the story. So I'm excited to watch it with y'.

[Andrew]

All.

[Eric]

Do you think it's because they finally gave it room to breathe? Because they turned it into two movies, which is what we were hoping that they would do, since, like, Goblet of Fire.

[Micah]

It's because we were all the run the whole time we were out in nature. So, yes, you literally could take some time to breathe. But I looked it up very, very briefly here. The first movie commentary we did was Deathly Hallows Part 2 in 2011.

[Eric]

Oh, so it must have been like a big event once the final movie was out.

[Micah]

Here's our commentary, followed by Fantastic Beasts.

[Andrew]

Well, isn't this perfect then? Because we started with DH Part two and now we're finishing with Part one. Weird.

[Eric]

Let's start this how we finished it, Tom, at the beginning.

[Micah]

Yes. Well, we're Gonna Release Part 2 the following week, right? We might as well.

[Andrew]

Sure, we'll rerecord that one.

[Micah]

No, no, we're not re recording.

[Andrew]

Oh, okay.

[Micah]

We're just gonna re release so we

[Andrew]

could talk about this more as we're watching for the next two and a half hours. Listeners, grand grab your copy of Deathly Hallows. You if you're. You know, we're in the streaming era now. If you're watching on a platform that has ads this, you're probably going to need to find a different copy, unfortunately, because you'll fall out of sync with us. But our sync point right now is through the WB logo. So go ahead and Start the movie. And as soon as the camera has fully gone through the WB logo, that's where you pause it. That's where we are all paused right now. And I'll count to three in a moment and we will all hit play together and we'll get watching.

[Micah]

Andrew, can I make one quick announcement before we.

[Andrew]

Oh, yes.

[Micah]

Go through the WB logo? It's appropriate that we're wrapping up our movie commentary because we're also wrapping up the mugglecast Collectors Club. Your five stickers have officially shipped. Check your mailboxes. Look out for some owls. Mind the droppings. They will be coming to your homes in the next, hopefully week or so, depending on what part of the world you live in. But this is, I know, a benefit on Patreon that we've been really proud of. It's something that we're excited to see your photos. So please, you know, tag us on social media and share them with us once you do get your final stickers and place them, whether it's on that placard or you've put them on your fridge or your computer, wherever you've decided to put them.

[Eric]

Micah, Regarding the droppings, I can't wait to hear from people like, hey, finally got my final year collector's club stickers, but an owl just all over my car.

[Andrew]

You guys know by now that we're loving Harry Potter the Official Film Podcast from HBO Max. If you haven't heard us talk about it, Harry Potter the Official Film Podcast takes a deep dive into every movie, starting at the beginning with the Philosopher's Stone. On every episode, you'll go behind the scenes, hear hot takes, hidden details, and exclusive interviews with guests, including Mike Newell, who directed the Goblet of Fire, special effects supervisor John Richardson, creature designer Nick Dudman, and many more of the brilliant minds who brought the wizarding world to life. We are so focused on the books here at Megglecast that Harry Potter the Official Film Podcast has been a perfect way to celebrate the movies. And this new show has reminded me just how much I love the films. This podcast is a wonderful way to experience all the magic in a new light. Watch Harry Potter the Official Film Podcast on HBO Max or listen wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so is everybody ready to hit play? Remember, we're all paused after the camera has fully swept through the WB logo. So listeners, make sure you are there right now. Hit pause on this episode if you need another minute to set this up. On three. Hit play on three. Hit play on three. Not after three. On three. Hit play.

[Eric]

I'm gonna turn my volume way up too.

[Andrew]

Okay, ready?

[Laura]

Yes.

[Andrew]

One, two, three.

[Laura]

All right.

[Eric]

Ooh, it's a creepy scrapey sound, like

[Andrew]

metal needs to turn on closed captioning so I can hear both you all and the movie properly. So, yeah, I think. Harry Potter will not talk with you.

[Micah]

Isn't this appropriate on the fourth of July?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

A stately message.

[Andrew]

We're recording on the 4th of July. We thought, what's a easy episode for us to record brain power wise on a holiday? This, the commentary track that we still need to do.

[Eric]

You know, it's interesting because doing this, releasing this as we're starting our Deathly Hallows chapter by chapter is also very timely and.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

You know, getting to talk about getting to see Scrimjour in the few short moments he has left, be a leader or project this idea of strength, when in fact we know that the Ministry is infiltrated and crumbling. It's just very interesting.

[Micah]

Yeah, I think that's it. We don't see him again.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Oh, wow. And that was a little glimpse inside Hermione's Muggle home with her parents. We're hoping in the TV series we're actually gonna see them very early in the.

[Eric]

You know what's funny is Vernon's little car with, like, the little trailer in the back, because I just picture everyone in Britain having a smaller car, like a reasonable, like, economy vehicle and not a big loading truck. So they. They've got this little sedan and it has this little. Little hopper in the back of it where they have all their luggage. And I'm just thinking that's how British people move.

[Andrew]

I didn't think about it before, but. Oh, this is sad.

[Laura]

Oh, I love how they put this in the movie because we just get to hear about it in the book. We don't actually. We don't actually read this happening in the book. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Would this be allowed? Isn't she. Is this technically loud?

[Laura]

She's old enough, mind you.

[Andrew]

Oh, right, okay.

[Micah]

Oh, cattle and stone.

[Andrew]

Oh, my God, this is sad.

[Eric]

Oh,

[Andrew]

I. I wonder if One reason why. Oh, the baby pictures. Do you think those are real photos of Emma as a baby?

[Laura]

I bet they probably are. They do look like her.

[Andrew]

I wanted to be a witch.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah. We could talk deleted scenes someday, so.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Well, there is a deleted scene where Dudley and Harry have a moment, just like in the book. Right. They did shoot that deleted scene.

[Laura]

That's.

[Andrew]

That's too bad.

[Micah]

That's in Petunia as well.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Micah]

She says something along the lines that you didn't just lose your mother that night. I lost the sister.

[Eric]

I lost the sister. God, Hermione can't even drive.

[Andrew]

I love how we're going back and forth between the trio.

[Laura]

Yeah, right.

[Eric]

It really equalizes them. It really shows that they, like, these are the films. Three leads. And the rest of the film, you know, honors that.

[Laura]

Yeah. It also sets the tone. Like, buckle up, y', all, it's getting real.

[Micah]

And I can't remember if this is in the film. I guess we'll find out in a little bit. But Yaxley and I believe it's one other Death Eater do go to Hermione's parents home to find it empty. And I. I want to say that might have been a deleted scene as well.

[Eric]

I think it might be a deleted scene.

[Laura]

I think it's a deleted scene.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Eric]

Oh, God. I need an adjustment here where I have to pull down all my blackout curtains because I can't make sure what the hell is, like, what this. This is.

[Andrew]

I'm turning down my key light right now because I couldn't see Snake.

[Eric]

I. I see Alex light blazing and I don't see anything else in this shot. These movies are so dark.

[Laura]

So no portraits to spy on him as he walks in here.

[Micah]

No. You actually either.

[Andrew]

Yeah, we were just talking about that too. This is terrifying. Like I said in the studio tour, you can see this whole set with Charity floating over the table too. So just to take us back in time, it really doesn't feel. It kind of doesn't feel special at all now, dare I say. But it was wild going into this movie and being like, wow, this is just part one of a single book.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

I still remember the day Warner Brothers announced they were splitting the book into two movies. It was just shocking and so exciting. And, you know, Laura and. Who was it? Eric or Micah? You said it's. This is your favorite movie.

[Eric]

Is it?

[Andrew]

Because it does have so much more room to breathe the story.

[Laura]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

I think that although this was not the plot that I would have chosen to isolate of Camping, because what the hell happens in book seven, it nevertheless gives everything room and the actors really get to shine as their characters. And so this is the film where I thought everyone had finally or completely become the characters that they've been portraying. They were always their characters. But this film feels like it's the journey with those characters. So it's like the perfect marriage of, if you're familiar with the characters from the books, actually Seeing them on screen, this film gets it right the most.

[Andrew]

How about you, Laura?

[Laura]

I have to agree with everything Eric said. Like, I would just be repeating it. And it's, you know, very much like I said earlier. It just feels like it is the perfect balance of being a true adaptation and that it is very faithful, but it is not faithful to the point of feeling clunky. You know, sometimes certain adaptations are so stuck on being faithful that everything has to be an exact replica of what happened in the book. And, you know, sometimes what worked in the book doesn't work on screen. So I felt like they struck a really good balance here.

[Eric]

Speaking of this, too, with Ralph Fiennes. I really have always loved Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort. And it's interesting because there's. Okay, we gotta talk about this. Clearly, we have to talk about this. But in the book, he has red eyes that are slits. And that just was never gonna fly. You need to be able to see into the eyes of the portrait of the soul. You need to see his eyes for. To connect to Voldemort.

[Andrew]

So I think it just would have been too creepy, red eyes in the movie, especially earlier.

[Eric]

His nails are creepy. They found other ways to make Voldemort off pudding without completely destroying his, I guess, humanity.

[Micah]

I remember hearing reports from the set that the actors were literally terrified of Ralph Fiennes in these scenes just because of how well he was performing as Voldemort.

[Laura]

And see, that's the thing. I'm of two minds on Ralph Fiennes in these kinds of scenes. The scenes with quiet intimidation. He's incredible in the role. When you get to battle scenes and he's, like, making all these weird noises.

[Andrew]

What, is that on him?

[Micah]

Or is that on David Yates?

[Eric]

I think it's the one.

[Andrew]

It's a good question. Yeah, right. Who directed him? And then, of course, I'm sure we talked about this in the Deathly Hallows Part 2 commentary track. But just the stuff they shot for the purposes of 3D screenings was just ridiculous. Harry and Voldemort's heads merging like people

[Laura]

dying and dissolving into ash and floating away. I hated that.

[Eric]

Yeah, that looked great in 3D. Don't knock it till you have your 3D glasses, everybody.

[Andrew]

I'll be curious to see if we see anything in this movie that seems like it was shot for 3D. Because also, you know, going back in time, 3D films in theaters were hot. They even tried to do it at home. There was, like, 3D Blu Rays, you Could buy.

[Eric]

Oh, God, where are they?

[Andrew]

3D TVs too, right?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So, speaking of the movie going experience, I wanted to ask you guys. As y' all probably know right now, a hot trend at movie theaters right now and with big releases is special popcorn buckets.

[Eric]

Oh.

[Andrew]

Like with Toy Story 5, there was a Buzz Lightyear one and a Pixar Ball one. Or, you know, with. With different movies, Barbie. There was the Barbie doll box as the popcorn bucket. If Deathly Hours or a Harry Potter movie hit theaters today, what would be the special popcorn bucket?

[Laura]

Oh, for part one, definitely Nagini unhinging her jaw. Perfect timing for the scene we're in.

[Andrew]

Yes, yes.

[Micah]

And there would be a little charity figurine at the bottom.

[Andrew]

Y' all are.

[Eric]

Don't choke on it.

[Andrew]

I'm gonna keep an eye out. Oh, Dumbledore. I'm gonna keep an eye out.

[Eric]

For what?

[Andrew]

Maybe Astronomy. Tower of Terror.

[Micah]

Popcorn bucket.

[Andrew]

Astronomy Tower Bucket. Or Hogwarts. Hogwarts. They do a Hogwarts popcorn bucket. Didn't some movie theaters have, like, 3D glasses that looked like Harry's glasses?

[Eric]

Yes. Yes, I have a pair.

[Laura]

I didn't have that.

[Andrew]

I don't think I did either. R, A, B.

[Eric]

Who is RAB?

[Laura]

They're like, hey, just in case you

[Micah]

forgot, having already read the first two chapters of the book. I know. I think it was. Laura, you mentioned just before how faithful it actually is. I mean, obviously they're leaving out little things here and there, but I did forget how faithful some of this actually was adapted.

[Andrew]

I was just thinking about that, too, Micah. I really appreciate that. Quick shot of Alphias Doge's tribute to Dumbledore. The mirror. Right, well. But it only got introduced. Yeah, it only started showing up.

[Micah]

Sirius never even gave it to him. In the Order of the Phoenix.

[Laura]

Right. And so, like, if you didn't read the books, you would be like, why does he have this shattered piece of glass?

[Eric]

Let's see. Is he. Is he okay? Is he mentally?

[Laura]

I mean, he's not for sure.

[Eric]

No. He's in mourning.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Eric]

His bestie, abusive leader, has died.

[Andrew]

No, it is kind of funny how, like, a lot of this just. You got to kind of fill in the blanks yourself. Like, oh, Hagrid was planning to show up at his door. Okay.

[Eric]

Yeah, well, I appreciate that. Moody is just miserable. He's all business like, let's get in here. Just have his.

[Laura]

Oh, you know what? Elizabeth is answering your question, Andrew, about the popcorn bucket. She's saying Hermione's expanded Purse with free popcorn refills.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Laura]

And see, husband, little things like this where it's like, oh, by the way, this is, this. Is this Weasley brother you've never seen? And oh, by the way, he got attacked by Fenrir back. And oh, Lubin and Tonks are married. Cool. Got it.

[Andrew]

And they clearly are in love and they're going to live happily ever after. Right?

[Eric]

Right.

[Laura]

Absolutely.

[Andrew]

My husband, the joker.

[Eric]

You did that pretty well, Andrew.

[Andrew]

Oh, thanks.

[Laura]

This scene is so good, though.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I can't wait to get to this chapter and chapter by chapter.

[Laura]

I love Brendan Gleason. He's so great.

[Andrew]

I want to see Hagrid hitting his head on the ceiling.

[Eric]

Yeah. Oh, mandungus.

[Laura]

And see, this is one too where they could have introduced him earlier in the movies. I think it would have had more impact.

[Eric]

I agree. But it is the right amount of his characterization is pretty good.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, you're talking about Moody.

[Eric]

No, no, no, Fletcher. Because he's the one that gets Moody killed, essentially.

[Andrew]

I forgot about that line.

[Eric]

Was that in the book?

[Laura]

No, I don't think so.

[Andrew]

Goblin Piss. You know, there's a. There's a dive bar here in Vegas called Goblin Piss. No, no, no, no. It's one of the best pizza places in town.

[Eric]

Red Dwarf.

[Andrew]

And they have a beer called Dwarf Piss.

[Micah]

Is it good?

[Andrew]

No, it's. It's very bad.

[Micah]

Is it like Malort?

[Andrew]

No, it's like a lager, but it's cheap.

[Eric]

Hilarious.

[Laura]

I just love watching Dan portraying these other characters. Like really pay attention to the facial expressions. He's so good, you know.

[Andrew]

We should have known he was born for Broadway after this scene.

[Eric]

This movie was really.

[Andrew]

It hits differently now that Robbie Coltrane has passed.

[Eric]

You know, we have a friend, Adam, who you all know was just for the first time on Hagrid's Motorbike Adventure yesterday. Oh, and he sent me a little video. And during the ride, I forgot Robert talks to you. He rode the main.

[Micah]

The motorbike.

[Eric]

But yeah, Robbie Coltrane is talks to you the entire ride. And it just felt. I was getting in my feels yesterday while watching it.

[Andrew]

Rachel Puff said, I thought polyjuice was a little overused in these movies and books. It does. It becomes a bit of a crutch plot wise.

[Eric]

What sort of bothers me is just the whole they keep their voice thing, which in the first. The first time they did it for the second movie, I guess made sense so the audience could keep up. But should not absolutely be the case in future adaptations because I Think it's dumb? I don't think it makes any sense.

[Andrew]

No, I. I think it makes sense. Like you said, I. It's important for the viewers to understand.

[Laura]

And what I actually like about. Oh, here we go. Oh, shit, y'. All. What I. What I really like about it from a movie perspective is one, it's good for the viewers, but it actually kind of gives Polyjuice Potion a bit of a hindrance insofar as, like, it can get you in the door because you look like this person, but it's harder for you to pass because you can't sound like the person. I think that's actually a way that in the books, Polyjuice Potion is a little bit. It makes people a little bit overpowered, if you will.

[Eric]

It's like, too soon. I have enough trouble passing in the real world. I want a potion that'll just help me all the way through. You know what I'm saying?

[Andrew]

I forgot Harry Potter got all fast and furious.

[Laura]

Yep, here we go. Across the top of the bus.

[Eric]

Yeah. If it's only for an hour. The potion should do what it does in the book.

[Andrew]

Aw, Hagrid.

[Eric]

Hedwig.

[Laura]

No.

[Andrew]

Remember, the author said the. The reason Hedwig dies. Well, maybe one reason. That was brutal. Yeah, that poor animal. Flying down, falling down. I guess I should say Hedwig's death marked the end of Harry's childhood. Like, that was kind of.

[Eric]

Oh, that's when it ended. There. Right there. It ended not a minute before, not when Devildore died, you know.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well, Hedwig was one of Harry's introductions to the wizarding world with Hagrid at his side, come to think of it.

[Eric]

Oh, the power lines. I forgot about the power lines.

[Laura]

Okay, now this is something I really want them to fix in the show because I'm so tired of how in the movies they're like, every battle is going to have the priori incantate effect. And it's like, that's not how this works because he has Lucius's wand right now, so they would not be doing that.

[Eric]

Yep, that's a good point.

[Andrew]

Cinematically, you know, we were just talking about what's easy for audiences to follow. I agree with you, Laura, but I just feel like it's a good way of showing an actual duel where the two spells are kind of fighting one another.

[Laura]

Well, they can find another way. Get creative.

[Andrew]

You have HBO 3.

[Micah]

Uh.

[Andrew]

Oh, hey, you know, House of the Dragon kicked off a couple weeks ago, and past two episodes have been really good. It's making me excited about the TV show. Like, wow, they're spending money.

[Laura]

Yeah. House of the Dragon is pretty good. I haven't started season three yet.

[Eric]

My dad is all caught up. He texted me that he binged the last two seasons and I was like, I didn't even know you were watching that show.

[Micah]

There are 10 dragons.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

Exactly. The Burrow really evolved over the course of the movies.

[Laura]

Well, they had to rebuild it after it burned down.

[Eric]

Right. Do we think right now in the

[Micah]

TV show that they will go to the Tonks residence versus the borough? least with Harry. Right. Because isn't that where Harry goes?

[Andrew]

It is, I would think. That's a good question.

[Micah]

This works for the purposes of a two and a half hour movie. It's a familiar spot.

[Eric]

Right.

[Andrew]

I say, yes, I'll go to Tonks House if that's where they go.

[Eric]

Poor thing.

[Andrew]

Again, barely.

[Eric]

The other thing adaptation wise is only Voldemort can fly. It's a big deal that Voldemort can fly. None of these like Death Eaters swooping in crap. That should not happen. Also, I hope that's true to the movies that a grindy low is in a tank there because.

[Laura]

I do like how they characterize Lupin unraveling in this movie because like in the book, you start to see a different side of him that is less well received, you know. So it's nice to see that here.

[Andrew]

On going to Tonks House, Roshani says, I hope they do. We meet Ted and it's sadder when he dies. Yes, 100%.

[Micah]

Yeah. So why do they stop challenging each other after Kingsley and Lupin?

[Andrew]

They gotta keep it moving.

[Eric]

They gotta keep it moving. They never would have. Yeah.

[Laura]

Ron with Harry, nobody would want to impersonate Ron Weasley.

[Eric]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andrew]

What a loser.

[Eric]

Aw Trio. Golden Trio.

[Andrew]

Nobody would want to pretend to be any Weasley for that matter. Right.

[Eric]

That is some good acting on the part of Mark Williams.

[Micah]

You can feel the gravity of the moment.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Laura]

I love that they put this in the movie.

[Andrew]

Oh my God. This is, you know, this is the benefit of splitting the book into two.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And really Deathly Hallows being split I think is the only success story in terms of other book to films adaptations. Trying to do this like didn't go well with Breaking dawn. Hunger Games 2.

[Eric]

Well, Hunger Games might actually. So Mockingjay. I really like the two for Mockingjay, but it's limited. It's very limited. Times that it was successful

[Andrew]

and I'm even talking box office Let me look them up, because.

[Micah]

Yeah, again, you can feel the gravity of the moment with the announcement of Mad Eye's death.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I take that back.

[Eric]

Recap. Flashback. Good use of Slughorn there.

[Laura]

Yeah. This was actually an example of a good montage. I feel like these movies often relied way too much on montages, but that was a good placement.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, We've criticized movie. Well, I have at least Movie Five. All the montages. And that. Not for me, not for Hermione.

[Laura]

You. Yeah, I like, everyone's like, yo, slow your roll, man. Like, this is not all about you. Okay.

[Andrew]

Ron's looking good. Yeah, slow down, Harry.

[Laura]

Wait until the Ministry falls and then we can. Peace out. Plus, we need that bag that Hermione has.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's a pretty good bag.

[Andrew]

It's got a lot of popcorn in

[Eric]

it and a Nick Cave vinyl, for some reason.

[Andrew]

Did we all. I'm trying to remember what we did for Deathly Hallows Part 1, the movie release. We didn't.

[Laura]

I don't think. I mean, I didn't do anything. I was in my senior year of college. I went to see it with my roommate.

[Eric]

The last three we had seen advanced screenings of. And I think, Andrew, you and I might have gone for this advanced screening.

[Andrew]

I just remembered, too, this. I sounded like I'm teeing myself up for a humble brag. But I went to the premiere of this one in New York. I remember that now.

[Eric]

Nice.

[Micah]

I remember seeing a screening of it in New York. It was a press screening, not the premiere.

[Eric]

Oh, like the week before.

[Micah]

Yeah. And then, Andrew, didn't you also do Deathly Hallows Part 2 premiere? Because I remember Terry was in town. And, yes, it was right around the time a Dance with Dragons came out as well, because she was the one who introduced me to Game of Thrones.

[Andrew]

Oh, wow.

[Eric]

That affected history. Our own personal history. I mean, that's cool. Awkward entrance, Ginny.

[Laura]

I know.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Zip me up, babe.

[Eric]

The thing is, I don't have a single thing against Bonnie. Right. And I have the exact opposite of that. Any number of things against how Ginny is written and the direction.

[Laura]

Agreed.

[Eric]

I still think they get it. I still think they have chemistry, but it's not explored and it's not great.

[Laura]

There's really not room for any chemistry to breathe in these movies the way that they directed them.

[Andrew]

No time to breathe now. With all this smogging too.

[Laura]

Well, this is, like, the most chemistry we get from them.

[Eric]

Yeah, but they. They haven't. But George tiptoeing, like, weirdly through the back was hilarious.

[Andrew]

Does he have a who kisses right in front of your bra?

[Micah]

Toothbrush?

[Laura]

Well, he didn't mean to.

[Eric]

It's unavoidable.

[Micah]

Yes, he does. I didn't notice that before.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but like you didn't notice George was right there.

[Micah]

No, no, I didn't notice he had a toothbrush in his ear.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Was that a toothbrush?

[Micah]

I mean, what else?

[Laura]

It kind of looked like one.

[Andrew]

I don't know. A spoon?

[Eric]

You guys have to join us in a few months and help us raise the tent. You good? You got your wand?

[Micah]

Oh, I lied. We will see Rufus Scribger again.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, Harry. Also, here's some stuff from Dumbledore.

[Laura]

That's an accurate summary of what happens.

[Andrew]

Help us, Harry.

[Eric]

What I appreciate is how far apart they were physically. Like have the complete opposite side of the room.

[Micah]

Ron looks like so excited, doesn't he?

[Eric]

He's like, oh, what am I gonna get?

[Andrew]

What am I gonna get?

[Eric]

What am I gonna get? What did Dumbledore give me? I really like the way that paper folds in these movies. Like any letter, any envelope. That is magical design of it.

[Andrew]

This is gonna sound morbid, but if Minalima sold a prince of Dumbledore's will, I think I would want it.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Micah]

Are you sure they don't?

[Eric]

What other meaning do you have? You have a few, right?

[Andrew]

Just two of that Life and Lies one that I talk about in an upcoming chapter by chapter. And then when Muggles attack. That's right, the COVID and the backside too. I just thought that was so cool for.

[Eric]

It's fun.

[Andrew]

Sometimes art just speaks to you. Mina Lima. Dumbledore's will. Oh, wait, you can buy it.

[Laura]

Okay.

[Andrew]

199 pounds.

[Eric]

Wow.

[Laura]

Where in your house would you display it?

[Andrew]

Where should I display it? In the bathroom?

[Eric]

Yeah. Next to the knitting patterns. Yeah.

[Laura]

Give people some bathroom reading.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Come on. Babbity gravity, anybody? No. Huh? This is good. And it definitely doesn't have anything hidden inside it, so don't be looking.

[Andrew]

He doesn't open at the close.

[Eric]

No matter what you do, don't put this in your mouth.

[Laura]

Not yet anyway. It's not time yet.

[Eric]

Oh, they all expected to do something.

[Laura]

I think he did too.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah. He's looking to figure out why Dumbledore left these things. Right. Oh, I want that.

[Eric]

Okay. That's pretty cool.

[Andrew]

Darn right, Hermione. Boom.

[Laura]

I kind of have to agree with Scrimjor there.

[Micah]

I do too.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah, you child. What do you know?

[Eric]

But I wonder what Dumbledore meant by giving it to Harry or like, you know, willing it to him.

[Laura]

Well, because he needs it to feeding Horcruxes. Take out Nagini.

[Eric]

What's. It's so interesting that the book, the story involves itself with like, property ownership and things because, like, this is such a real world issue with like, oh, the legality of who owns what and things. Like, I find it interesting in a good way that there's still these little arguments to be made while there's like, you know, Voldemort's back and taking over the world.

[Andrew]

I hate to date this commentary track, but did you guys see Taylor and Travis got married yesterday? Oh, my gosh.

[Eric]

I think that this wedding has more character than theirs did.

[Laura]

Well, I don't think we'll ever know because apparently everyone who went to it had to sign an NDA.

[Andrew]

So there's already a rumor that. And this would not surprise me, being the capitalist that she is, but that they filmed the wedding and they're eventually going to release it, you know, for the public, which would be so stupid.

[Eric]

Does she walk down the aisle to, like, one of her own songs?

[Andrew]

Like, I don't know.

[Eric]

I love

[Laura]

Same

[Eric]

on gnomes.

[Andrew]

Xenophelias. Lovegood. I gotta remember that. Not Xeno. Xeno.

[Micah]

Also in House of the Dragon.

[Laura]

Yep.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah.

[Laura]

Perfect casting for this role, though.

[Eric]

Real good.

[Andrew]

I just love how Luna and Zeno are kind of matching in terms of

[Eric]

their wedding and personality. They.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Eric]

They really feel like family.

[Andrew]

Aw. Alphys.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Eric]

What I appreciate about this side of Harry is it is inquisitive and it is like it. He's actually trying to pursue the mystery here. Unlike Harry in the books, I quote that always somehow people never do seem to count blank. 800 pages. Who does she think she is?

[Andrew]

This is me at any wedding, dishing the tea.

[Laura]

You're the gossipy queen at any wedding

[Andrew]

wearing a little whatever that's gonna. Actually. This is my wedding look for Eric's wedding.

[Eric]

I love this. If you come wearing this, you're gonna get the star treatment. I'm gonna. We're gonna be in all the photographs, no matter whose side of the family we're photographing. Andrew Anti Muriel Sims. I love this. You know, this is such a shock to Harry as a dump, but it. But it is in the books. And so having this, like, weird old lady who's gleefully devastating Harry works because as an audience, we're equally devastated.

[Andrew]

Well, yeah, Yeah, I agree. The. The new revelations are so interesting to

[Eric]

Read

[Andrew]

and painful to watch Harry hear these things.

[Eric]

How does the Patronus work? Like a shooting star. Like.

[Andrew]

I think it's pretty cool. Oh, that was quick.

[Micah]

That's one thing I do hope that they establish more in the TV show is communication through Patronus. Because that's not in the form of. I believe. Isn't it Kingsley's Patronus.

[Eric]

A lynx? I thought it was. Well, it's unclear to me how they can all of a sudden get to the wedding, but I guess. Was the Ministry offering protection or. We'll get to this in the book.

[Andrew]

Doesn't it seem silly to have done this wedding given all that's going on? Like, yeah, you want some moments of, like, joy and happiness, but it'd be like Taylor and Travis do it inside a secure venue like Madison Square Garden where people just can't.

[Eric]

Like you were.

[Andrew]

There's bandaid or watch, you know.

[Laura]

Do you think the Weasleys can afford Madison Square Garden?

[Andrew]

I didn't say they should have done in Madison Square Garden, but somewhere more protected.

[Eric]

Well, Bill works at a bank.

[Andrew]

Do it in, like Grimwald Place or something.

[Eric]

So does Fleur.

[Laura]

You know what I like, I remember infiltrated now.

[Eric]

Yeah. This was one of the shots that we got early, like promotional of them filming. This was like in. Because it's like Piccadilly Circus. And like, we saw them in their outfits and it seemed like, oh, this is really cool. Like wizards and witches in the. In the Muggle world. How unusual.

[Andrew]

If you look carefully, you can see the McDonald's where Jamie Lawrence ate 12 Big Macs in one sitting.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Laura]

What? This isn't it right here.

[Micah]

Rachel Puff is bringing up in the discord that Harry actually used Polyjuice at the wedding. In the book.

[Laura]

Yes.

[Micah]

So another Polyjuice moment. But she was glad that they changed it for the movies.

[Laura]

Yeah. They disguised him as like a Weasley cousin. Yeah, I think.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

You said his name Hermione.

[Andrew]

Mm. A go bag. Smart. This is funny. Nowhere safe. Leave woman.

[Laura]

And she's like, you don't got to tell me. I'm out. Bye.

[Andrew]

Can I bring my headphones?

[Micah]

She's going to be in so much trouble tomorrow.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah. I have to rewind that back. I'm not sure he was.

[Andrew]

I wish Ron grabbed a pastry right here.

[Eric]

Oh, my God. Well, no one else is going

[Micah]

to.

[Andrew]

You're the boss, Harry.

[Eric]

Imani,

[Andrew]

lick it off her face.

[Laura]

Honestly. This is where Movie Ron has more game than Book Run.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Laura]

Book Run would not have done that.

[Eric]

No,

[Andrew]

Becky has said it Was so cool. It's so cool that the London Cursed Child show is on Shaftesbury Avenue as that was the street they apparated to in the movie. I didn't know that. That's an interesting tie in.

[Micah]

You can see the emotion on Rionie's face. No. Given what she had to do to her parents earlier on in the film.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

Oh yeah. And now she's being tasked with doing that to Dolahov.

[Andrew]

How funny would it be with the TV show they're filming, you know, Deathly Allah scenes and they walk by the Cursed Child theater in London. That'd be a fun Easter egg. There we go. This is where the wedding should have been.

[Eric]

This cramped.

[Andrew]

Nothing says romance like 12. Grim old place.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Dusty, dark, having Mrs. Black screaming.

[Eric]

Yeah, I am Jacks. I love that. Oh, this thing that never makes any sense in the books.

[Andrew]

Yeah. But yeah,

[Laura]

it's kind of a cool visual though.

[Eric]

Yeah,

[Andrew]

it is cool. It is cool though. I don't know. I think it's a cool bit of security.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Eric]

I think it's just meant to. What? Psych out Severus Snape who like has control of his faculties the entire time. So it doesn't work. We're alone.

[Andrew]

Was it like dust? Yeah, yeah, that figure.

[Micah]

It's Dumbledore's ashes.

[Laura]

Oh,

[Andrew]

Carly said about that scene, the fight in the restaurant. You just know that girl's co workers came in the next morning. Like who closed last night.

[Eric]

Love that. Let me get some natural light.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Finally.

[Laura]

Not anymore.

[Andrew]

Some curtains in there.

[Laura]

Hope you enjoyed that. Back to the darkness. Now.

[Andrew]

This door literally says serious. Like what is he, an 8 year old?

[Eric]

No girls allowed?

[Andrew]

Is that weird to anybody else? Like why would the.

[Laura]

It feels like a very old timey thing that people used to do.

[Andrew]

Okay, maybe that's.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I'm just being a stupid American.

[Laura]

And I mean, presumably this was his childhood bedroom.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Laura]

Although why he would have a copy of History of Magic in there.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Eric]

A copy of History of Magic looks like it's mold eaten.

[Andrew]

R A B.

[Laura]

No, I will say the fact that his entire legal name is just on

[Eric]

his door is a very serious.

[Andrew]

What the heck? That's why the names were on the doors. Just for that. That is too funny.

[Micah]

Nope.

[Andrew]

The closed captioning said said. Banging, clattering. I thought it said banging and clanging for a minute.

[Eric]

Classic.

[Micah]

John Williams is here. Tattoos behind that door.

[Eric]

I love that. Hello children.

[Andrew]

He's working on the score. Another fun fact, right. They included Creature in Movie five because Rowling said He comes into play later.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Do I have that right?

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Laura]

It would have been a huge miss not to include him in movie five.

[Eric]

Mm.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Protect a girl, ron.

[Micah]

It.

[Andrew]

And that little twerp.

[Eric]

Twerp is hilarious.

[Andrew]

Kind of funny aside, Pat and I were in a bar a few weeks ago, and on one of the TVs across the bar, it was a good distance away, Deathly Hallows Part 1 was playing and there was TVs in front of us with other things. But we were glued to that TV across the way watching Deathly Hallows. And the bartender noticed and was like, do you want me to turn it on? On the closer tv, we're like, no, no, that's fine.

[Eric]

No, we're only casually very interested right now.

[Micah]

Yeah. And another fun fact. Cormac McClagen should not be on that train.

[Eric]

Oh.

[Andrew]

Because he is aged out.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Oh, good. Interesting.

[Eric]

I like that they tried to give us, like, perspective of what's going on at Hogwarts because that's something that's not in the books, but it's very limited and not great.

[Andrew]

So at the New Wizarding World Land at Epic Universe in Florida, they built the Ministry of Magic. This area. And it is impressive. It feels large. You walk through it at the start of the ride and through it again at the end, which I thought was a really nice touch. So, like, you could take pictures if you didn't when you're walking in.

[Laura]

Oh, look, it's ice.

[Eric]

The Black family had a piano, and it's still tuned. Mm. Magic.

[Micah]

What?

[Laura]

I just like how Harry's just like, what am I supposed to do with this? Maybe I should put it in my mouth again.

[Eric]

Have you tried putting it in your mouth?

[Andrew]

Something else has to touch it. His tongue.

[Laura]

But again, once again, Hermione's right.

[Eric]

Yep. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Get him.

[Eric]

Oh, dobby.

[Laura]

I do love this scene.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I love his shoes.

[Eric]

Yeah, they look comfortable.

[Andrew]

And they're just, like, a little oversized, it looks like, to me, for his skinny little dobby body.

[Eric]

Dobby body.

[Andrew]

I bet they're gonna. I mean, he has to look like this with, like, the pillowcase over him. But, like, I bet they're gonna make him super cute in the TV show somehow.

[Laura]

Well, you gotta see all the, like, oversized socks and stuff that he wears.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah. Me thinking about all the Pokemon cards I gave away

[Eric]

or video games we sold for pennies on the dollar. What she said.

[Andrew]

How convenient.

[Eric]

I love that, though. Sometimes. Sometimes it works that way. But this ain't great. Now, the stakes are high.

[Andrew]

Not this again.

[Micah]

We had enough of her. They really should have brought a centaur with them.

[Andrew]

Oh, my God. That would have caused the scene in a lot of ways.

[Micah]

Well, more polyjuice.

[Andrew]

Yep. And this is the thing. It's just, like, cool concepts, but just the frequency at which they use it. Micah's got a Minions mug. Are you a big Minions fan, Micah?

[Micah]

I like them. Yeah.

[Andrew]

You gonna go see the new movie? I heard good things. Minions versus Monsters. I heard there's like a. This could be wrong, but I heard there's like a 10 minute sequence where it's just only Minions speak.

[Micah]

I saw they outfitted Big Ben in minion design or whatever, the projection. Yeah.

[Andrew]

It was pretty cool.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Apparently they go really hard over there these days with promoting movies in ways like that.

[Eric]

Bless these actors, by the way, who do absolutely incredible portrayals of the other actors.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

It is cool to see that.

[Micah]

The amount of studying they must have done to get the mannerisms correct.

[Andrew]

And you would have to think they work with Dan, Emma and Rupert to like, hey, what tips can you give me to become you?

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Or your characters, I should say.

[Eric]

This is one of the best, I think, jokes or bits in the whole series of, like, civil servants.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Having to flush themselves into the ministry.

[Laura]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Says something.

[Eric]

It works on a lot of levels.

[Andrew]

That's been a part of Harry Potter fan fandom, I'd say, too. Like, you'll see people, like, put a sticker above a toilet that says ministry and then a down arrow.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah. Or at friends homes when they do, like a Harry Potter gathering mystery this way.

[Andrew]

I feel like I've seen that at, like, bars.

[Micah]

That how you got into the ministry at Epic Universe, Andrew.

[Andrew]

I know. I wish. That would have been really funny. They had this on display at the studio tour, too. This statue.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Goes real hard.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I didn't. And I mean, not to state the obvious, but those actors also look like the trio too.

[Laura]

Yeah. They very intentionally chose people that you could. Oh, go away, Yaxley. Jesus. But they very clearly chose people who could be the trio aged up, like, 20 years.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You see, I agree with your thoughts on her blood status.

[Micah]

Yaxley is very mafioso.

[Laura]

Mm.

[Micah]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Anyway, have a good day. In the new Ride Epic universe, you are in one of these. Elevator.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Cool.

[Laura]

Honestly, Ron, you should know that that's pretty basic.

[Eric]

Yeah, that was. That's a pretty obvious suggestion.

[Micah]

Do we ever learn who made it rain in his office?

[Eric]

In the books, I assume some form of resistance coming from the disgruntled yeah. Employees. But I mean, have. Have you tried. An umbrella is a very funny line.

[Micah]

Or just work remote.

[Andrew]

This was time. Like a.

[Eric]

Even the. The film doesn't. Oh, there she is. Is her scarf a kitty or she. The collar of.

[Andrew]

I think it is. Yeah, I forgot about that. That's a.

[Eric]

It's real cute.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Or it's a fox eating its tail or something.

[Andrew]

It's gotta be a cat given.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What we know about her.

[Eric]

You know, in the book, they research these people for months, at least a month. Their habits, their daily schedule.

[Andrew]

I forgot about that, too.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

We see this set in Fantastic Beasts, I think. Or at least where Harry was just walking.

[Eric]

I think. That's right. Propaganda. Mud Bloods are eating the cats. They're eating the dogs. Oh, man. The eyeball.

[Andrew]

Creepy.

[Eric]

Really love me some decoy detonators.

[Laura]

These would be handy to have in real life.

[Eric]

They're really adorable. It's just a bicorn sound.

[Andrew]

Fred and George would love to be here for that. Wow, she's leveled up.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah.

[Micah]

Trick.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Micah]

It'll work in a bit. Or no. Doesn't he grab it off of her?

[Eric]

I think so. Yeah.

[Micah]

That's such a corporate thing to have extra pair of shoes at the office.

[Andrew]

Do you have extra pair of shoes at the office, Micah?

[Micah]

There.

[Andrew]

When Muggles attack. That's the Minalina part.

[Eric]

There it is.

[Andrew]

Do you have extra shoes at the office, Micah?

[Micah]

Yeah, like an extra. I have a pair of sneakers there.

[Andrew]

Oh, nice.

[Eric]

I guess I've gone corporate because I have an extra pair of sneakers at the office too. Because usually I'm in these steel toe boots for all the, like, heavy lifting and stuff, but they were annoying me when I was sitting at the desk doing other work. And so I have these, like, loafers that are now under the desk. So, yeah, super corporate right now. A manager in over his head. Okay.

[Laura]

It's like, nothing to see here.

[Eric]

I love that he doesn't at first remember that. That's him.

[Andrew]

Yeah. That's because Ron's dumb. Remember, everybody?

[Eric]

Well, he's probably had a lot going on.

[Andrew]

That's sarcasm. They do him dirty. Ron, a very smart character.

[Laura]

That's right.

[Micah]

There's also a deleted scene with Arthur where I can't remember which one of them, but it's either Harry or Ron, warn him that his family is being.

[Eric]

Your family's being watched.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And Arthur, like, detests the man who's telling him the info. Like, whoever it is, I think. And so it, like, doesn't go well. Like he sees it as a threat or something instead of the warning that it is. It's real uncomfortable in a. In a really good way.

[Micah]

It.

[Andrew]

I love the look of the Patronuses.

[Eric]

They're keeping the dementors at bay. It's a cool shot.

[Micah]

Oh,

[Eric]

I mean, replace mud blood with any minority group or Muggle born with any minority group and replace wand with diploma citizenship, you know, passport, anything. And you have a perfect metaphor for pretty much everything that's going on under fascism. The wand.

[Micah]

The irony of course too is that Umbridge is a half blood herself.

[Eric]

Right?

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Somebody call her a fake witch.

[Andrew]

Well, and don't get us started on some riddle.

[Eric]

Oh yeah, get that Hermione. Toss it. I love how Ron's just completely adopted his wife and kids and family. Love it, man. They have a thing against Harry Potter. They've been trying to get his soul for years. Woo. I wonder what happy memory Harry used just then

[Andrew]

snogging Jenny earlier.

[Eric]

Oh yeah. Zip me up. Oh hell yeah. And now we're normally look like us.

[Laura]

Like don't just act normal.

[Andrew]

I like how Ron's poly juice lasts the longest.

[Eric]

Yeah. For dramatic effect.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

This is funny.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Oh my God.

[Andrew]

So if that were me in that moment, I would just immediately duck out before she reopened her eyes.

[Eric]

Mary,

[Andrew]

We need to do a whole episode around guy.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, I want to. I want to get that guy on the pod as Harry. As Harry Potter.

[Andrew]

No, I want to do a whole episode on like, like should the wife, should that guy be mad at his wife?

[Eric]

Or like like fake wizarding problems of the world. Yeah.

[Micah]

Also, come on, Yaxley. He's doing his best Michael Myers approach here.

[Laura]

He really is.

[Micah]

Yeah. You should be running, bro.

[Eric]

There you go. Well, he's been impaired by a. Whatever jinx they hit him with earlier. Oh.

[Andrew]

Ruh. Ro.

[Eric]

I wonder what the purpose of those bars on the fireplaces could possibly be.

[Laura]

Isn't this the last scene they filmed?

[Andrew]

Was it?

[Laura]

Oh, I thought I remembered this whole jumping into the fireplace being the final scene they filmed.

[Andrew]

What was the last scene filmed for the Harry Potter movie?

[Micah]

It's possible.

[Andrew]

Yeah, you're right.

[Eric]

Wow.

[Micah]

And the movie was filmed altogether. Right. Like they were jumping from scenes in part one to part two and back to part one.

[Andrew]

And that, you know, that was another advantage for Warner Brothers. By filming both at the same time, you're saving money completely separately.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah. The coordination of it all must have been insane.

[Micah]

All right, we can all take a nap. We're going to be Camping for a while.

[Andrew]

Yeah, Fun, fun facts. Do you all remember when the trailer came out for Deathly Hallows Part 1 or one of them came out. Hermione put this is going to happen a little later. But Hermione has blood on her hands. In the movie. But in the trailer. Yes, they removed the blood on her hands to get the trailer rating down to a more family friendly. I do how we caught that, but I'll point out the shot once we get to it.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's when they're setting up the enchantations or enchantments.

[Andrew]

Yeah, no, maybe when the Death Eaters show up, I don't know.

[Laura]

Yeah, no, I think it's about to be here in the next minute or so.

[Eric]

Uh huh. Dig those suspenders. Gryffindor color. This wound looks grievous.

[Micah]

One of the things that gets left out here too is that Harry is concerned for Creature because her old place was exposed.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

And that's of course another thing left out is the relationship that they seem to build with each other.

[Eric]

They have a real understanding.

[Andrew]

This right here, this is the. Where they hid the blood.

[Eric]

Oh yeah, A Perkins's tent in the bag of tricks. Tile tent.

[Andrew]

It's shooting practice.

[Eric]

Well, I appreciate that. The limited screen time that Creature had, he was able to say no matter how hard Creature tried to destroy it, it would not break. Which really sets up this moment.

[Andrew]

Yeah,

[Eric]

that locket's like, you freaking kids. When I get you, I'm get you

[Andrew]

see it already getting to Ron. Of course Ron doesn't get a shot.

[Eric]

No, That moment when you only know three spells. Have you tried to expel the Armissary?

[Andrew]

Good point.

[Eric]

Wow. Of course it bothers.

[Micah]

It should.

[Laura]

Harry's just like, bitch.

[Andrew]

I wanted him to think for himself, to show him everything too. Oh. So, I mean, we'll get to this when we do chapter by chapter. So what was the radio show called?

[Eric]

Potter Watch or Potter Watch.

[Andrew]

Yeah, People were like.

[Micah]

Or.

[Andrew]

Well, I don't know if anybody on the mugglecast panel, but some people I think on the leaky panel were like, oh, this is a nod to the Harry Potter podcast. I just don't believe that personally.

[Eric]

Yeah, I go back and forth. It felt, it felt that way while reading it for the first time.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Eric]

But it's also like, yeah.

[Laura]

Oh, go ahead.

[Eric]

Nothing exists in a vacuum. So like, whereas I think the one time is it Professor Bins or Slughorn calls Ron Rupert? I don't think that would exist without Rupert Grint being cast as Ron, Like,

[Andrew]

I agree with that.

[Eric]

So, like, it's. It's impossible maybe to trace the origins because, you know, 2007, when the book was released, 2005, when the podcast started and got big. You just never know whether the idea of a radio show for people keeping in contact in book seven was an original idea or, well, whether it didn't, in fact, inspire it.

[Micah]

Perhaps a wand.

[Eric]

Yeah, right.

[Andrew]

Welcome to Mugglecast, episode 100.

[Laura]

Please be aware that this episode contains several spoilers.

[Eric]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Well, hi there, everybody. This is Billy Joe. That there. Emma Watson's a fine lady. Oh,

[Andrew]

Ryan's like, I wish you would say that to me.

[Eric]

Yeah, right. Cursed object. The maturity there that Hermione shows. They don't need to say sorry. Harry is sorry. He doesn't need to say it. And she understands why. Real smart, all wordless. Snape as Hogwarts it.

[Andrew]

There's no chance that Hedwig will die in the final book. That's just impossible.

[Micah]

It is actually cool to hear the radio because I don't think when I was watching it on TV without closed captions, you get the level of insight you do when there are closed captions.

[Andrew]

Oh, good point.

[Eric]

Yeah. There's a lot of craft that went into, you know, the specific scenes and moments. You know what? I like this moment of the Snatchers and Scabior and all this crap.

[Andrew]

Yeah, no, it's intense.

[Eric]

It's got charisma.

[Andrew]

This reminds you of like, you know, when Harry's wearing the invisibility cloak and trying to avoid.

[Laura]

Yeah. The only thing I would call out here is that I think it's out of character for Hermione to be applying perfume while they are out camping and looking for Horcruxes. I understand they needed a mechanism to make the scene work, but they should have found something else.

[Andrew]

She should have farted and then they would find her that way.

[Laura]

Well, yeah, she. I mean, we all fart, so she definitely had to do that at some point.

[Andrew]

And that would make sense while you're camping. Sorry about that, Hermione. I was feeling gassy. Sorry. This is disgusting. He could spell.

[Laura]

Harry's just like, we'll leave him. Fine.

[Andrew]

Oh, look at that couple.

[Micah]

What were they doing in the woods?

[Laura]

Smelling Hermione's perfume, apparently.

[Andrew]

Man, Ron looks terrible. Poor ron. I wonder if any of these names are, like, crew members. I don't know. I don't know. Is it. Is it cool to be a dead. I guess so, yeah, that'd be cool.

[Laura]

But I also Wonder.

[Eric]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that'd be cool. Says the true crime lover.

[Laura]

Yeah, but I also wonder if these were actually names dropped in the book, too. Because we know Ron was listening to the radio in the book, so.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I don't even know where that would be. In here.

[Micah]

Wow.

[Andrew]

Just found a folded page in my copy of Deathly Hallows. Glad I did that. God knows how long ago.

[Micah]

It.

[Andrew]

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

[Laura]

Hermione has adhd.

[Andrew]

Ron's had enough of this.

[Eric]

We should have brought a stylist. We all look miserable.

[Andrew]

I mean,

[Eric]

But Ron, it's about the journey.

[Andrew]

It's about the journey, man, not the destination. And it's ruining you.

[Eric]

What you believe is Hermione's misery here. Like, she wants their friendship not to snap because too much would be lost

[Micah]

if it was

[Andrew]

Akio Horcrux off his neck.

[Eric]

This is an incredible trailer shot. Fight.

[Andrew]

Fight. So we're getting the dance scene soon, right? That's about to come up.

[Eric]

Yep.

[Andrew]

Man, that was, like, shocking at the time, right?

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Just like this normal Muggle song in a movie. I love the song, too. Oh, Children.

[Micah]

Nick Cave.

[Andrew]

Nick Cave. I listened to that a lot after it came out.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

In the movie, I mean.

[Eric]

Yeah. They tried multiple songs. A lot of artists. Yeah.

[Laura]

Oh, I didn't realize that Yates said

[Eric]

that in an interview. Yeah.

[Laura]

There is something haunting about that song that works.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

Well, in the characterization, I think people, again, try and put. Oh, it's always Steve Kloves trying to get Harry and Hermione together. But, like, the dance is not romantic. The dance is. We're devastated and have lost so much, but need to keep going, you know, as friends.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Laura]

I also felt like the dance scene posed the question, though, Right. Of, like, what if these two actually got together? But they have. There's, like, a moment of reckoning where it's like, I think they both realize it, and then I believe she walks away, essentially.

[Eric]

Yeah. I think that's.

[Andrew]

So I found some quotes from the music supervisor. Maybe I'll save them until we actually get to.

[Eric]

Oh, that'd be cool.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Some other artists, they were considering,

[Eric]

Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen. This would be a great place to put the Harry Potter song that. Bruce Springsteen.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Eric]

Finally. Yeah. Now, that has not yet been released anywhere, right?

[Andrew]

Yeah, it has. It leaked, like, 10 years ago, and it came out officially through a Bruce movie five, six years ago. It got released again on tracks two. Now, Take album.

[Eric]

I've yet to listen to it. There's Got to be a bonus that we do listening to the Bruce Springsteen Harry Potter song. That'd be cool.

[Andrew]

I have a theory. His kids used Muggle. Net or listen to mugglecast. That's my headcanon.

[Laura]

So you can't believe that Potter watch might have been a subtle nod to the podcast, but you believe that Andrew's man.

[Andrew]

No, because every Harry Potter fan went to Mugglemat.

[Eric]

That was just a fact. That's the thing. No, it's true. Like, whenever you.

[Laura]

When.

[Eric]

Whenever you hear that, whenever you hear the British actors, be like, I wasn't going to take this role, but my grandchildren said that you absolutely have to. Like, you know, those grandkids were checking out the COS forums and have you

[Andrew]

ever met a person who was a Harry Potter fan back in, like, 05 through 07 who didn't know of Muggle that.

[Eric]

Yeah,

[Laura]

I mean, a lot of people did, but I def. I mean, but I've definitely met people who weren't involved in, like, the Internet fandom. Like that.

[Eric]

True.

[Andrew]

Okay, so now we're getting to the song. Let's enjoy it for a minute and then I'll read the quotes. Honestly, I ship them right now. Watching this scene,

[Eric]

I don't think it's romantic. I just think it's. Let's have a human moment.

[Andrew]

Who dances with their friend like this? I mean, okay, it's kind of fun and cute. So maybe that's why they need to have some fun.

[Eric]

Right now, as we're watching this, I'm. I have to, like, choreograph a dance with my mom for the wedding that's coming up, and it'll probably be.

[Andrew]

You're gonna do this one.

[Eric]

It. Well, it'll. Not the song, but it'll probably be as silly as this of like, random twirls and stuff. Unless I can find somebody to. They're having fun. You just like to see it is fun.

[Andrew]

Okay, I take it back. It started kind of almost looking romantic.

[Micah]

Well, it ends a little romantic, too.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

What's the unspoken.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Eric]

Oh, no. They hug.

[Andrew]

Oh, extended embrace.

[Laura]

And then there's this moment, the pull away. It's like, will. Will they? Won't they? And then she's like, nah, I want my ginger back.

[Micah]

Oh, my ginger snap.

[Eric]

What's their shared loss between them?

[Andrew]

I'm sorry, that's. Was there no better take? That was bad acting. So the music supervisor said we talked a lot about some of the great old soul songs, songs from James Carr and Otis Redding. That was initially what David Yates was after. But they're too much of the Muggle world. It's too human. Such as bands like Oasis and Radiohead. To a certain degree. As much as I love Radiohead, I think it would have been too obvious. Yeah. It had to be a song like. Or an artist that was, like, not too popular because I think that would take you out of the moment. So.

[Micah]

Right. The Horcrux will make up for all of that for those Harry Hermione shippers.

[Eric]

Right. I appreciate how hard the Horcrux scene goes because it's something very adult and something very true of, like, Ron's inner nightmare. It's one of my favorite parts because of how bold it is.

[Andrew]

You found something too dish. So, yeah. Becky, who's watching and listening live right now, shared a interview with Emma Watson when they were promoting this movie. And Emma talks about how they're in that. In the dance scene, there was that kind of will they, won't they? And they're at the stage of their friendship where they're wondering if it could be something more and that they could have very easily kissed that night.

[Eric]

These craggy rocks.

[Andrew]

Until Covid.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Everybody was cutting each other's hairs.

[Eric]

Hair. Not again.

[Andrew]

Well said, arie.

[Micah]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Also, it's winter. I mean, you could cover up more if you wanted to.

[Eric]

Yeah. There's always more layers.

[Andrew]

Very incognito.

[Eric]

A blue bottle bell flame charm.

[Andrew]

Or just like, you know, those winter masks that cover your entire face, Basically,

[Eric]

those are game changers.

[Andrew]

Wouldn't look. Wouldn't look too out of the ordinary during the winter.

[Eric]

You know, since we're talking about, you know, Covid times and stuff. I remember like, wearing a mask, but in the winter and how. Just a normal mask, like a cloth mask, even how much warmer your face stays.

[Laura]

Sucks in the summer, though.

[Micah]

What is funny about that comment is that they do use Polyjuice Potion in the books.

[Eric]

Again, they're just diligent about.

[Micah]

Yeah,

[Eric]

that is funny.

[Andrew]

But I mean, I so agree with Harry's point here. Like, if he's visiting his. His parents and his. Where he.

[Eric]

General audiences need to see, it's him. Not. Why are we watching this stranger.

[Andrew]

It hits differently. Yeah, exactly.

[Laura]

Visually, yes. But this is probably one. Well, this is the. One of the top places Voldemort would expect him to go, so.

[Andrew]

He's so nostalgic. He. I. I conflate my Dumbledore and Voldemort. Oh, yeah. He's so nostalgic. God, he's so nostalgic.

[Laura]

You Gotta make those intense, like, guttural, weird screams.

[Andrew]

He's so nostalgic. There it is.

[Eric]

Aw. Little flower wreath. Now, she pulled that out of nothing or.

[Andrew]

I know, right? Saved some money by not buying breaks.

[Eric]

Gantt's Law. Merry Christmas, Harry.

[Andrew]

It's not a happy Christmas. It's just a merry Christmas.

[Eric]

Where's my John Williams music?

[Micah]

This was a really beautiful moment.

[Eric]

So it's ruined by a creepy old lady.

[Andrew]

Come this way,

[Eric]

Jarring her mind.

[Micah]

You should know what that is.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's her hero. You wrote the most famous book in the wizarding world. She might have this sword. No, but she's got a snake. And the room next door is a brightly colored nursery.

[Andrew]

Does somebody have something, like beeping in the background?

[Laura]

I don't hear anything.

[Micah]

What'd you say?

[Andrew]

Somebody got, like, a beeping noise in the background in their room or something?

[Micah]

I have a ceiling fan, but usually doesn't get picked up.

[Andrew]

Oh, maybe that's what I'm hearing.

[Eric]

Or did you just text us?

[Micah]

I don't think she meant to text us. I think it's spammed.

[Andrew]

No, she meant to say.

[Eric]

I meant.

[Micah]

Oh, okay.

[Eric]

This is.

[Andrew]

Bam.

[Eric]

No one will ever see. No one will ever see what this message says. But it came at the weirdest possible.

[Andrew]

Laura sent us one of those disgusting chain messages around holidays.

[Eric]

This is the weirdest thing to be reading while going through this scene.

[Andrew]

Let's just say my comment about the fart was tame compared to this text message.

[Eric]

It's the weirdest moment of the movie, though. It. It, like, something about it, like, obviously it's similar in the books. Ish. But the fact that she's not talking. Cause I'm pretty sure Bathilda, like, has a whole conversation with them in the books and in the movie. It's just, here's this creepy woman. There's something really creepy with her, obviously. And here. Now here's a snake.

[Laura]

Yeah, well, don't forget there's Dumbledore's lover in that picture frame.

[Eric]

Yeah,

[Laura]

before he became Johnny Depp and then before he became Mads Mikkelsen.

[Eric]

Love Mads Mikkelsen.

[Andrew]

The many looks of Grindelwald.

[Micah]

And we get another version of him later on in this movie, right?

[Laura]

Yeah, that's true.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

That actor actually just passed old Grindelwald. Michael Byrne.

[Eric]

Huh. I'll be right back.

[Andrew]

Rita. Rita.

[Eric]

Rita.

[Micah]

So they. She did actually have to film for Deathly Hallows. Maybe, maybe not. They probably could have used her from Goblet of Fire.

[Andrew]

Yeah, possibly.

[Eric]

Ooh.

[Micah]

Nagini can sense it. Ariana. Yeah. Yeah.

[Andrew]

Ugh, this is so creepy. This is a children's series. I don't think so. Haters.

[Laura]

I like how Harry's going full, like, lion tamer.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Laura]

Chair you want, Man. Why does Bathilda have a crib?

[Andrew]

Is it the neighboring house?

[Laura]

Maybe?

[Micah]

It must be.

[Andrew]

Yeah, because it's like it. Because it's bright and looks so different.

[Micah]

And they must be out for the holidays.

[Eric]

Good thing.

[Andrew]

Otherwise that'd be another dead baby. Not another dead baby, but. And be a dead baby, Lily wouldn't be there to save that one.

[Eric]

You know what I mean?

[Andrew]

See, this is why I don't live. I don't have any neighbors attached to.

[Micah]

To my home, just in case.

[Andrew]

Okay. In case a Nagini comes flying through. Yeah, you never know.

[Laura]

Yeah. There are pros and cons to having neighbors close.

[Andrew]

I'm just kidding.

[Laura]

I mean, I would say, like, it's probably a 50. 50 split of pros and cons.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Laura, you just got some new neighbors, right?

[Laura]

Yeah, Yeah, I did.

[Andrew]

Should ask them if they have any snakes.

[Laura]

I don't think they do. They have a young child. I know that because I hear them running around upstairs. I don't care. It actually makes me feel better about podcasting because at first, when I realized they had a young kid moving in, I was like, oh, man, when we podcast, like, I don't want to disturb the child, you know? But then, like, the kid's honestly kind of noisy, so I was like, oh, okay. I'm not worried now.

[Andrew]

You're. You're mutually making.

[Laura]

Yes, exactly.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

No, that's. I. I hear.

[Laura]

Dumbledore's lover.

[Andrew]

Bow chicka wow.

[Laura]

Hey. They had a summer romance for the ages.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Getting back to that crib real quick, Rachel said it looks so similar to Harry's crib scenes in coloring. I agree. I think that was very intentional.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Would be my guess.

[Eric]

I think it is the neighbor next door because the houses were close together. So, Laura, what are the pros of having neighbors so close, um, that they

[Laura]

keep an eye out for each other? I have pretty good relationships with my neighbors, and so, like, if I'm at a town, for example, and I get a package or something, I've got a couple of neighbors that'll just, like, pick it up for me and hold onto it till I get home.

[Eric]

That makes sense.

[Andrew]

We have, like, Eric's still looking for pros.

[Laura]

We have little text chains where we, like, give each other heads up if stuff's Going on to be aware of.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What is with this mirror?

[Eric]

Where'd he get it? That foggy glass reminds me of the Hogshead when nothing is properly clean.

[Micah]

You watch her mouth.

[Eric]

His favorite place line directly from the book.

[Micah]

I know. They watch their mouths too.

[Eric]

Oh yeah, Blasphemy. Think of all the hard work Severus Snape is putting into this. Yeah. The Snatchers got Harry Potter. They just had to lure him with a Patronus.

[Andrew]

And we've said this like with the first movie too. So when did this movie come out? 2011 or 1011. Yeah, so it's 16 years old. You said that earlier, Eric. I think.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

These movies just in terms of like the CGI and all that hold up really well. Like all the. If this was released today, I. This looks like it could have been released today is what I'm trying to say.

[Laura]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

It was used sparingly and going back

[Andrew]

to movie one, it looks great.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Andrew]

And I feel like that's part of the reason some people are annoyed that they're quote unquote rebooting Harry Potter through TV shows. Because they're like they, they've held up so well. They're so fresh in our brains because maybe they run non stop on television that people like, oh, why are you rebooting it already? It's not already. It's been 25 years since the first movie came out and by the time book seven is adapted, it's going to be 25 years since. Since these movies came out. So I don't know, I think it's almost a compliment when people say, why is it being rebooted already? Because I think people just think it's feels like it was yesterday.

[Eric]

Well, it's just an opportunity to show more magic too. Like I, I really want there to be even tiny elements of magic.

[Andrew]

Ow.

[Laura]

Ow.

[Eric]

In every episode. What the hell was that? Always skimming down. I think you guys are half of one second ahead of me. So I didn't see him stripping when Andrew was screaming.

[Micah]

This looks very much like the Forbidden Forest set. Yeah, yeah, because I was reading that. I guess it's not a surprise that they use a water tank for this scene. He's not actually getting into a frozen lake somewhere in a forest.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I would say that's potentially dangerous. Have you all ever done a cold plunge before?

[Laura]

No.

[Micah]

No.

[Laura]

Have you? No.

[Andrew]

No. It's scary.

[Eric]

There are some.

[Andrew]

There's health benefits though.

[Eric]

Health benefits.

[Andrew]

Probably not this cold.

[Eric]

There's going to be the next.

[Laura]

Is that A real thing though? Or is that just a thing people say?

[Andrew]

Okay, no, no, seriously? Yeah, it's good for the body.

[Eric]

Even. Even when showering, if you take like 60 seconds at the end and just sit in very freezing cold. You know the coldest your shower gets, it improves your heart rate and circulation.

[Micah]

Lymphatic flow.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Lymphatic flow, whatever that is.

[Eric]

Now this, this is cool. This moment in this movie might be my favorite because it's terrifying. Like the. The Horcrux not letting him touch the thing that's gonna kill it and fighting like hell. Because the first time we see the locket really move on its own or do anything.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was me.

[Eric]

Ron, don't look down. It's cold.

[Laura]

Ow. Ow.

[Andrew]

Well, don't worry. We're about to destroy it. Because we're bros, bro.

[Micah]

For an ice bath. That's why I came back.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I'm doing the ice bucket challenge.

[Laura]

I was trying to get a preview of Equus on Broadway.

[Eric]

Oh, my God.

[Micah]

On three,

[Eric]

not before.

[Micah]

Whoa.

[Andrew]

Get it. You got this. Come on, do it for Hermione. Oh, yikes. Gossip queen. This is brutal. Harry's got a better butt than you do. The Phantom had a. Had feelings about that. And, and that they're naked too. I mean, that was a choice. They are yassified, said Rachel.

[Laura]

That's true. I think it does make it hit harder in the movie because in the book, aren't they just little tiny figures that come out of the locket?

[Eric]

It's not this grandiose Polly Pocket kind of thing. Yeah, yeah.

[Laura]

Carly, when my 13 year old watched this with me, he said it was like AI, Harry and Hermione. Yeah, kind of.

[Micah]

I'm pretty sure they're body doubles.

[Andrew]

You think so? It's all cgi.

[Eric]

Like.

[Laura]

Yeah, I thought they had to like be painted in silver to film the scene. I thought I read that somewhere.

[Andrew]

Oh, my God.

[Eric]

To make the light catch better.

[Laura]

Hell yeah, Hermione. Bring on that feminine rage.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Laura]

Stupid boys. Hey.

[Micah]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

She grabs the sword of Gryffindor, cuts off his head.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

So it says, because the scene required Radcliffe and Watson to appear topless and covered in silver paint, the actors used body and stunt doubles for the most intense physical and intimate aspects of the illusion to keep the set comfortable and professional.

[Andrew]

Ah. But why wasn't it just cgi? That just surprises me. That seems. I mean, good, I guess. What am I complaining about? Yeah, good question.

[Eric]

I love that it appears that because Ron and Harry are okay, right now it's like, it appears that they were doing things, like, behind her back. They absolutely weren't. But, like, she's just like, huh.

[Andrew]

I spoke to him. Aw. Pretty cool, right? It's my own invention. Pretty brilliant, if I do say so myself.

[Eric]

I'm pretty sure there's like a. Almost like a lyric video or a music video about, like, tiny ball of light. And it's a super cut of Deathly Hallows. And it's like Ron just telling this story and it's very, like, super romantic. Played at the 2011 Oscars.

[Andrew]

What are you talking about?

[Eric]

This video, tiny Ball of Light,

[Micah]

I'm

[Eric]

going to link to it in the Discord.

[Andrew]

Yeah, she was definitely very touched by that. Ron.

[Eric]

Come on,

[Micah]

You darn.

[Andrew]

Right this way.

[Micah]

Oh,

[Andrew]

hey.

[Micah]

Now.

[Laura]

That.

[Andrew]

It's the name of this book and movie, what does it mean? This has to be one of the most tattooed symbols from the Harry Potter series. Most tattooed. Anything from the Harry Potter series.

[Eric]

Right next to this one.

[Andrew]

The Muggle cast mic bolts.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Laura]

Yeah, I think probably. I mean, I know a lot of people got dark marks, too.

[Andrew]

Kind of related. I met somebody recently. You would never guess. This person was a huge Harry Potter fan, but he had the Deathly Hallows and it says always. Do I have this right? And then three of his friends have after all this time. So they purposely got like matching tattoos almost that sort of like, okay, you'll be after.

[Eric]

I'll be all.

[Andrew]

No, not like that. No, no. The rest of them have. After all this time, I guess. And he has always, for some reason.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Another door with a name.

[Micah]

Person's name, I think these are also at the studio tour, the dirigible Plums. Do you remember that at all, Andrew?

[Andrew]

That's cool. I can't say I do, no. But they always, like, add and remove stuff.

[Micah]

True, true.

[Andrew]

Another home in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Sam, who was a recent guest on the show and is listening live, said, I've got a Deathly Hallows mark. Can confirm it's popular.

[Micah]

That should have been the first flag to get the out of there.

[Eric]

Yeah, We're about to have that bit of animated genius with the story of the Deathly Hallows.

[Andrew]

I have a breaking news to report. I've been informed via text message. Again, we're recording on 4th of July. Apparently Beyonce has released a new single this today.

[Eric]

Ah, Morning Dew.

[Andrew]

I'm going to listen to it while we watch this scene.

[Laura]

I thought you were going to say Mitch McConnell died, but

[Andrew]

you know, Fourth of July, historically has been. I'm not going to say it.

[Eric]

Not kind to American politicians.

[Andrew]

Not kind to American presidents. Yeah.

[Micah]

I love the quibblers in the background.

[Eric]

Yeah. Guy's a fan of his own work.

[Micah]

I agree. This.

[Andrew]

Oh, my God. This new Beyonce song is her doing. Oh, children. This is crazy coincidence.

[Eric]

Amazing.

[Micah]

But Eric, I agree with you. This adaptation of the Tale of the Three Brothers and the way that it was also included. It didn't include it exactly. But in Hogwarts Legacy, the. The version of it was really, really well done. Do you know what I'm talking about? Do you remember that from the video game?

[Eric]

I'm trying to remember it in the video game. I know in the. In the Lego game.

[Micah]

The Lego game. Full on. Yeah, yeah. It was very cool. But in Hogwarts Legacy, there was a version.

[Laura]

Yeah, it was like the third task or something you had to do. And the animation, because it was one of the old headmasters who told you a story and you were transported there. I thought that was one of the coolest sequences of the game.

[Andrew]

That does sound very cool.

[Eric]

I'm also remembering the first Mugglecast T shirts we did with Patreon where it was like the three of us, like Micah, Andrew and myself on the bridge.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah.

[Eric]

And the guy was holding up the ipod. And Steph Falcos designed it to look like. And be reminiscent of this art style.

[Andrew]

Speaking of stuff that's held up well, I mean, you know, this sequence is just fantastic.

[Eric]

There's just nothing like this in any of the other films.

[Andrew]

I would like to hear the making of this scene. Like, what inspired this artistic style and whatnot. Yeah, it looks like it's like pulled out of a book almost. I love in a movie when they do kind of like an unexpected visual sequence like that. Just like is so unlike the rest of the movie. I'm thinking particularly of Pixar movies. Inside out had one of these types of sequences. But the Toy Story movies, when they do like the. The kids imagining places.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

So good. So different. I saw a post on social media, somebody was like, they should do Toy Story like mini shorts that are just like the playtime imagination. Playtime.

[Eric]

I love the passing down the lineage of the invisibility cloak. It's real cool. It's okay.

[Andrew]

Let me do this so you and viewers can understand what this all means. Okay, here we go. I got to do this carefully because somebody might turn this into a tattoo.

[Micah]

How many times do you think you had to draw it?

[Andrew]

Good question.

[Micah]

I feel like he got the first Part down, no problem.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's an easy start. It's a straight line but then doing the angles.

[Micah]

Oof.

[Eric]

Yeah. It has to be equilateral. Triangle now.

[Micah]

Oh no, he's going for the resurrection stone.

[Eric]

Oh, circle.

[Micah]

Well done.

[Andrew]

Now this is the part where it gets tricky. You gotta do straight but at an angle. Make it fit nicely around the circle.

[Micah]

I bet somebody else did it. And all he had to do was finish the triangle.

[Andrew]

Imagine like where's that little piece of parchment?

[Micah]

Oh, you know, that's a good question.

[Andrew]

I would go for some big money.

[Eric]

Betray. Sivan's has it in his living room.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I got a pen and paper. I'll put pen to paper right now, see if I can do it.

[Laura]

I bet I can.

[Andrew]

Oh no, I screwed it up. It's very Corpse Bride that animation sequence. Yeah, I agree, Rachel. Wow. Sam has a huge deathly Hallows tattoo on her back. Oh my gosh.

[Laura]

Oh, that's incredible. Look at that.

[Andrew]

It's got so much. It's got fox that the call is snitch. Lightning bolt time turn.

[Laura]

That's beautiful.

[Andrew]

Marauder's map prints. Yeah, the wax seal I saw him was wow, Sam.

[Micah]

You know. Don't let him say it.

[Andrew]

You.

[Eric]

Not my hairy flying death eaters. This place was already messed up. Okay, now they're.

[Andrew]

I know this is going to delay the next release of the Quibbler.

[Eric]

Nothing a good Reparo Maxima can't cure. Oh no. Reuse the location, did ya? We were waiting here for three weeks for you to come snatch em.

[Andrew]

We're called snatches after all.

[Eric]

Yeah, Snatch em. This is probably my favorite movie poster next to the one of Hogwarts burning. But them just on the run.

[Andrew]

Running.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

I feel like they could have taken them if they stood and fought.

[Eric]

Not with Gray back there. He likes to chew his feet.

[Andrew]

And how many are there total? 12. 12? It's got to be 12 or 7y.

[Eric]

Everyone's a master of non verbal spells.

[Andrew]

This was cool.

[Laura]

Of course.

[Andrew]

It all comes back to big D, baby.

[Micah]

Now he doesn't murder Grindelwald in the movie, but he does in the book, right?

[Eric]

Yes.

[Laura]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

Grindelwald is still out there in the movie. But not the other one.

[Andrew]

That's funny. Vernon dudley. Emma

[Micah]

penelope.

[Andrew]

Ew, what a creep.

[Micah]

It.

[Andrew]

Back where we began. Man, the Malfoys have a nice house.

[Eric]

Wish I could sell.

[Andrew]

That's how they did it for cheap.

[Micah]

Where are the peacocks?

[Andrew]

I don't see any details. Where are the peacocks?

[Micah]

They could have CGI'd them in.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Micah]

I do like how you brought that up, though, Andrew, that the movie is more or less ending where it started and that they decided to cut it there.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Laura]

It was a good place to cut it.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I mean, remember too, like, did we know going into the movie where they would end part one? It's hard to remember.

[Micah]

Speculated on it.

[Andrew]

I'm sure we did. But that was an important question, too, because it's like, how. What climax do you end on?

[Eric]

Right?

[Andrew]

Or what depressing note do you end on in this case?

[Eric]

This is real good stuff. Between Lucius and Draco here explaining kind of the precarious situation that their family is in. It's good to see them get to act together. Rarely do.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Laura]

Helena Bonham Carter really brings Bellatrix to life. I love her.

[Andrew]

I mean, good luck casting that role. That's going to be impossible.

[Laura]

Those are going to be big shoes to fill.

[Andrew]

Honestly. Just get her again. Lady Gaga for Bellatrix. She could do it. She's a weird one.

[Eric]

Luna.

[Andrew]

Luna. Don't say my name out loud.

[Eric]

How many extra lights do you think Ron saved up just for this instance? This is intense.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I don't like it,

[Eric]

Really. Olamander, you've tried everything.

[Andrew]

Nice to see him, though. They all could have taken this piece of crap.

[Laura]

I'm gonna call him Max. That, though. We really need to see Pettigrew strangle himself in the show.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Micah]

So I'm reading here that the sequence was originally much longer and more violent, but filmmakers had to trim it down in the editing room to avoid an R rating for the film.

[Laura]

Wow.

[Micah]

Do you think that's true?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What's the source? Who said it?

[Micah]

Reddit.

[Andrew]

I mean.

[Eric]

Well, no, there are contemporary actor interviews. I think that Helena and Emma talked about it.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I think one of the big challenges across the series has always been making it suitable for children because, you know. And they're going to have that issue with the TV show, too.

[Eric]

Also, Dobby lived here for many years. He knows the ins and outs.

[Micah]

I agree, Laura. I'm wondering, though, too, speaking of our ratings, you can't have somebody strangling themselves and keeping it PG 13.

[Laura]

Yeah, but it's also. I mean, it's HBO. Do they. Are they gonna have the same concerns about ratings?

[Eric]

No, it's not MPAA at all.

[Andrew]

I disagree, though, because they still want to make it suitable for children to watch. This isn't gonna be like Game of Thrones where we're seeing incest and all Kinds of crazy stuff.

[Laura]

But I mean, I think that they can still be book accurate because the books get really dark. I mean, there's no getting around it.

[Micah]

Agree.

[Andrew]

I actually think strangling yourself isn't like that bad for.

[Laura]

I mean it for a television movie. It depends on the shot. Yeah, exactly.

[Eric]

I mean, I think the thing of it is that there's terror in Pettigrew's eyes. Like he and Harry Lockeyes as it happens. It's like kind of.

[Andrew]

I guess.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What I'm saying is that doesn't seem like that inappropriate for children to watch compared to other things.

[Eric]

Right,

[Micah]

right.

[Andrew]

I. I agree.

[Micah]

I think by the time we get to Deathly Hallows, there are things that they can do with them being older that wouldn't be appropriate for Sorcerer's Stone or Philosopher's Stone. Sorry. And of course that hair is so important. The fact that they took the time to show it slowly dropping onto Hermione.

[Laura]

More Polyjuice Potions.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Woohoo.

[Eric]

Not in this movie. Love it.

[Andrew]

Hit the button.

[Eric]

Oh yeah. What, was he gonna touch it or is he gonna hold his hand over it? What's. Is that where Harry just lost the allegiance of the Elder Wand? Or isn't that even a part of this movie?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Laura]

So heartbreaking.

[Andrew]

I know.

[Laura]

I still get teary eyed every time I see this part. I'm just like, oh, hits me right in the feels.

[Andrew]

Oh yeah. The beach scene's just.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Remember all the paparazzi photos that came out when they were filming that? The beach scene.

[Micah]

And doesn't this location still to this day have people dropping socks?

[Andrew]

I think so.

[Eric]

I think that's right. They're like, it's a real. It's hazardous to the wildlife. Stop doing it. Oh,

[Andrew]

Don't worry, Dobby. Molly'll avenge your death.

[Laura]

Not my house elf. You.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Aw.

[Eric]

I was finally gonna get some help around the. Didn't he. Well, didn't he fix this?

[Laura]

Oh, this is brutal.

[Andrew]

Sorry to ruin your Fourth of July, Laura,

[Laura]

by making me watch Dobby again die again.

[Eric]

You know, not Mitch McConnell, but such a beautiful place.

[Andrew]

Don't want to edit this.

[Eric]

This is the way to. This is the way to spend 4th of July though, with friends. Even over, you know, Riverside or whatever. I'm glad that we're doing this. Good start to the.

[Micah]

There.

[Eric]

He could be sleeping.

[Andrew]

Oh, he's sleeping. How about a Dobby popcorn bucket? Just Dobby's head. A sock. A sock of popcorn Popcorn bucket.

[Eric]

That's just a Christmas stocking.

[Laura]

Yeah,

[Andrew]

Well, Dang we still have so much to do. Good thing. We have a second half to still get stuff done in.

[Micah]

And we're still going to get at least one more close romantic moment before the end of this film. Potential romantic moment.

[Andrew]

They end up in that beach house at the beginning of the next movie, right?

[Micah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

To regroup.

[Andrew]

How do you guys feel about them basically ending on. On this for part one?

[Micah]

Well. Well, there's one more scene.

[Andrew]

Yeah, No, I know, but still, like, so sad.

[Eric]

I think. I think tonally it's perfect because the book. The book is really about loss. And I like that the film feels like, what have we accomplished? What have we lost along the way?

[Andrew]

I'm just. I guess where I'm considering. What I'm considering is like leaving the movie theater having just seen that. And this is quick. This isn't.

[Eric]

Yeah, but it's kind of shiny.

[Laura]

It sets up for the next part, though.

[Andrew]

Yeah, no, I know, I know.

[Laura]

It's like our heroes are down and out. What are they going to do?

[Eric]

Dumbledore's tomb came from ikea.

[Andrew]

It is very simple.

[Micah]

Here's this romantic moment.

[Laura]

He's still in really good shape.

[Andrew]

God, Micah.

[Eric]

Perfectly preserved.

[Micah]

I mean, he's a little close, isn't he? He could just take the wand and go.

[Eric]

He just wants to gloat.

[Micah]

Let me sniff him.

[Andrew]

Oh, maybe Voldemort's a little gay, too.

[Eric]

Maybe it's a spectrum.

[Laura]

Well, you just missed Pride Month.

[Micah]

Voldemort, his wand is about to erupt.

[Andrew]

I do love this ending music.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's cool as hell. Jimmy Fingernail.

[Micah]

Alexandra Desplat. Right?

[Eric]

Yeah. This is really the. Oh, shit moment. It's the unbeatable wand. It's actually quiet.

[Andrew]

There we go. Deathly Hallows, Part 1.

[Eric]

Harry Potter will return.

[Laura]

Yeah, I really do. I. I love that they did not include any Voldemort sound effects in that because if they had ended this movie with, I would have been so angry.

[Andrew]

Oh, well, I mean, I'm so glad those do exist in part two, because, again, just the fandom had a field day with all that.

[Laura]

Have you ever seen the videos that cover all of the different international language dubs of what Voldemort sounds like? Oh, they're so funny.

[Eric]

Oh, no.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Well, everybody, we hope you enjoyed our commentary track and enjoyed watching the movie again. And we will start our chapter by chapter reread of Deathly Hallows next week. So look forward to that. The panel here. This is the book we've reread the least number of times. We talked about that in the latest bonus Mugglecast as well. So we're all really looking forward to going through this book and getting into the nitty gritty. So this is a perfect way to get ready for a chapter by chapter. Thanks everybody for listening. Thanks for your Support. Check out mugglecast.com for all the information you need about the show. Oh, and importantly, I should say if you want to enjoy more movie commentary tracks, you go to mugglecast.com and you mouse over or tap episodes and then must listens. And then you'll find the movie commentary tracks at the top of that page. So check them all out. Thanks everybody for listening. Thanks for your support. We'll see you next time. Bye. Capture your favorite summer feeling with Pandora Jewelry Discover a collection inspired by the sunshine, freedom and moments that make the season unforgettable. From sun kissed metals to personalized pieces

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