Kathleen Wilhoite Portrays Gloria Satterfield with Dignity

Summary

Podcast Summary:

Murdaugh: Death in the Family Official Podcast
Episode: Kathleen Wilhoite Portrays Gloria Satterfield with Dignity
Date: October 22, 2025
Host: Luna Shark & USG Audio
Special Guest: Kathleen Wilhoite
Notable Contributors: Mandy Matney (investigative journalist and host of “True Sunlight”)

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Overview

This episode offers an in-depth, behind-the-scenes look at how the Hulu Original Series Murdaugh: Death in the Family memorializes Gloria Satterfield—not just as a key figure in unraveling the misdeeds of the Murdaugh family, but as a fully realized, dignified character. It centers on an interview with actress Kathleen Wilhoite, who plays Gloria. The discussion is shaped by investigative journalist and host Mandy Matney, whose reporting originally brought Gloria’s tragic story to light. The episode covers how the creative team reinterpreted Gloria’s timeline, the efforts made to bring depth and humanity to her portrayal, and personal reflections on the impact of the case.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• Humanizing Gloria Satterfield: The episode emphasizes portraying Gloria not as a mere plot mechanism, but as a woman of faith, warmth, and profound impact on those around her, especially Paul Murdaugh.
• From True Crime to TV: Mandy Matney reflects on the process of having her reporting translated into a dramatic narrative, and the choices involved, such as changing the timeline of Gloria’s death for the series.
• Actor’s Approach: Wilhoite discusses her acting process and the responsibility of playing a real victim with compassion and fidelity.
• Systemic Exploitation and Corruption: The episode underscores how Gloria’s story epitomizes generations of exploitation by the Murdaughs, with a focus on the theft from her sons after her death.
• Reflections on Grief and Justice: It delves into the personal toll the case took on victims and journalists, plus new safeguards inspired by the Satterfield family’s fight for justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Importance of Gloria Satterfield’s Story

• Mandy Matney recounts her first interaction with the Satterfield case after noticing oddities in a civil lawsuit between a Murdaugh best friend and the family. She recalls the “immediate red flag” of a wrongful death suit involving Ellick Murdaugh and missing payouts to Gloria’s sons.

  "It was obviously an immediate red flag, so I set out to find more information about who Gloria was to Ellick and what exactly led to this case." —Mandy Matney [03:26]

• The episode stresses how Gloria’s death and the subsequent financial exploitation of her sons became central in exposing the broader corruption.

On Portraying Gloria: Kathleen Wilhoite’s Approach

• Wilhoite didn’t audition for the role; she was chosen for her empathy and ability to embody warmth.

  “I like to think it’s because I can spot a pure soul...when I was approaching this character...that is the side of my soul I chose to tap into, which made my days fabulous.” —Kathleen Wilhoite [06:55]

• Research Process:

  • Wilhoite studied photos of Gloria, dove into court records, and binge-listened to the Murdoch Murders podcast to absorb the context and accent.
  • Costume, hair, and makeup were transformative for her sense of the character.

  “I just started from episode one...it was incredible because I was kind of close to it. I can't wait to get to the Gloria Satterfield part…” —Kathleen Wilhoite [19:51]

The Timeline Shift and Its Dramatic Impact

• Show Creators moved Gloria’s death to after the boat crash to strengthen her onscreen presence and focus on her bond with Paul:

  “It was a gift to be able to see Gloria’s warmth, kindness and her faith in action...an important juxtaposition in understanding who the Murdaughs were. Yes, they treated Gloria like family, but not really.” —Mandy Matney [04:35]

The Satterfield Scandal as Reflection of Broader Corruption

• Theft from the Satterfield sons is described as a microcosm for the Murdaugh’s larger pattern of exploitation:

  “The second Gloria was gone...they became prey to Alec Murdoch and his co-conspirators. He saw dollar signs in their grief. He was a monster long before the idea even arose to kill his own wife and son.” —Narrator [08:19]

• Mandy discusses her gut feeling that Alec had stolen from Gloria's family before she had hard proof.

On Paul and Gloria’s Relationship

• Gloria as Paul’s True Comfort: Gloria was “Gogo" to Paul—like a mother, the person who brought out his most human side.
• Portraying Grief and Complexity:

  “Gloria really brought out the most human side of him...she was like his sense of normalcy...he really considered her as a mother.” —Mandy Matney [42:05]

Acting, Generosity, and the Production Environment

• Wilhoite shares stories of on-set camaraderie, especially with Johnny Berchtold (Paul), and the impact of authentic off-camera support on emotional scenes.

  “Johnny Birchtold, the actor, insisted on being there to do my off-camera work...so that we could create some truth and art.” —Kathleen Wilhoite [35:39]

• She highlights her joy in working with cast and crew, including Patricia Arquette and director Jen Lynch.

Reflections on Corruption, Sociopathy, and Justice

• The episode contemplates whether Alec Murdaugh’s theft and manipulation of the Satterfields foreshadowed his later violence:

  “Could that person also be capable of killing their family? And turns out, spoiler alert.” —Mandy Matney [10:20]

• Guest Mark Tinsley (actor and real lawyer) weighs in on Alec’s logic:

  “I think there are a couple of things that really show how he began to believe his own invincibility and how arrogant he was. That’s one of them. I mean, think about how much he has to give those two boys before they stop asking questions? Not much.” —Mark Tinsley [31:15]

Gloria’s Legacy and Real-Life Change

• The impact of the Satterfield family’s fight: Inspired new legal safeguards for victim settlements in South Carolina.

  “No longer are lawyers allowed to play fast and loose with informal hearings or ignore filing rules because of Gloria Satterfield and her boys and Eric Bland, who fought so hard for them.” —Narrator [56:44]

• Gloria's Gift Foundation, started by Gloria’s family, brings Christmas presents to struggling children and families in Hampton county.

  “Gloria’s Gifts has provided presents for more than 100 children and at least 50 families.” —Narrator [55:21]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Murdaughs’ treatment of Gloria:

  "Like family ain't family." —Randolph (portrayed by Gerald McRaney) [05:31]

• On Alec’s sociopathy:

  “Well, you know what comes to mind? Sociopath. Like a full sociopath. To do that and then to, like, shoot your wife...Well, I don't want to. Should we. Spoiler alert.” —Kathleen Wilhoite [26:37]

• On fighting systemic corruption:

  “There’s a kind of this drumbeat...of wanting to go back to the...Good Old Boys Network...what you did was a huge service...should be lauded.” —Kathleen Wilhoite [22:02]

• On authenticity in acting:

  “If you have a relationship with someone in the script...it behooves you to create a relationship with the actor playing that part...The two of us created a genuine regard, respect and friendship.” —Kathleen Wilhoite [40:53]

• On grief and compassion:

  “To go ahead and shoot your wife and son, I just think that's astounding. It's so unnatural. It's so unnatural for a parent to hurt their child.” —Kathleen Wilhoite [27:41]

• Gloria’s sons’ dignity:

  “It felt like through the things that I read, that they, her sons were walking with such dignity in such a dark, dark...through such a dark thing to have happened to them.” —Kathleen Wilhoite [45:59]

• On the legacy of Gloria’s case:

  “The Satterfield story will go down in Murdaugh history as one of the most vile things Elec Murdaugh was ever able to do and almost got away with...Gloria’s family and their decision to fight...has made sure her death was not in vain.” —Narrator [56:44]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Investigative Discovery of Gloria’s Case:
  [01:02] – [05:31]
• Portrayal and Research for Gloria:
  [06:52] – [08:19], [16:54] – [19:38]
• Satterfield Settlement Controversy:
  [10:19] – [14:27]
• Reflections on Acting and Set Experience:
  [35:39] – [38:36], [43:18] – [46:58], [50:08] – [51:48]
• Mark Tinsley on Alec’s Mindset:
  [31:15] – [33:34]
• Paul and Gloria’s Bond—Emotional Scene:
  [34:09] – [35:32]
• Systemic Change & Gloria’s Legacy:
  [55:21] – [57:59]

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Episode Takeaways

• This episode is a testament to giving voice and dignity to victims—especially those who have historically been marginalized or exploited.
• It’s a reflective conversation on how empathetic storytelling and dogged journalism work hand in hand to expose injustice and inspire tangible change.
• Listeners are left with a deeper understanding of Gloria Satterfield as a person, the emotional weight of her loss, and the reverberations her story caused in the pursuit of justice beyond the Murdaugh saga.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Gloria Satterfield wasn't just a housekeeper in the Murdaugh home. She was a mother, a caretaker, and someone who formed a deep bond with Paul Murdoch and the rest of the family. Her tragic death and the millions of dollars stolen from from her sons afterwards became a central thread in uncovering the corruption and deceit that defined Ellec Murdoch's downfall. Welcome back to the Murdoch Death in the Family official podcast streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney today, I am honored to sit down with actress Kathleen Wilhoyt, who brings to life one of the most pivotal and heartbreaking figures in this story, Gloria Satterfield. Kathleen has had a remarkable career in film and television, but what makes her performance as Gloria so powerful is the way that she blends empathy, emotional honesty and character research to tell Gloria's story with dignity and heart. In February 2019, after Paul Murdaugh crashed his father's boat into a piling in Beaufort County, South Carolina, killing one of his passengers. It did not take long at all for the name Gloria Satterfield to reach my desk at the Island Packet When I was going through the public index looking for court filings involving the Murdaugh family, I found the now infamous civil case in which a Palmetto State bank executive acting as personal representative for Gloria Satterfield was, for some odd reason suing Alec Murdock on Gloria's behalf for wrongful death. There was one single document filed publicly in the case other than the dismissal sheet, and it showed that Ellick's insurance agency had paid out over $505,000 and a third of it went to a certain criminal defense attorney named Corey Fleming, who was also known to be Elek's best friend and and Buster Murdoch's godfather. It was obviously an immediate red flag, so I set out to find more information about who Gloria was to Ellick and what exactly led to this case. Perhaps even more suspicious, an obituary I found online showed that 57 year old Gloria had passed just a year before the boat crash and that her death had been unexpected. According to the condolences posted with it, the obituary also contained this line. Among her in surviving are those who she loved as her family, Ellick and Maggie Murdock. And their family. Also mentioned were Randolph and Libby Murdaugh. Back then, I didn't know as much as I do now about the Murdaughs, but I immediately knew in my gut that something wasn't right here. Around that time, I began hearing the rumors about the Murdaugh's housekeeper and former nanny who mysteriously died after a fall at Moselle. And sources were urging me to look into it more after I learned from a source very close to Paul and then from more and more sources that Paul loved Gloria and was heartbroken when she died. It didn't seem likely to me that he had anything to do with her death. Of course, it wouldn't be until after Paul's death that we would all learn just how much more there was to the story when it came to Alec Murdoch and Gloria Satterfield's estate. When I first learned that the writers of Murdoch Death in the Family intended to change the timeline of Gloria's death to after the boat crash, I worried about how this would be received by listeners to the Murdoch Murders podcast, where obviously we are very fact based. Would people be able to accept this shift in timeline or would it be a distraction? The first time I saw a rough cut of the series, I immediately grasped the brilliance of the Gloria Satterfield decision. It was a gift to be able to see Gloria's warmth, kindness and her faith in action. And I also think that it was an important juxtaposition in terms of understanding who the Murdaughs were. Yes, they treated Gloria like family, but not really. As we learn from Randolph's character, played by Gerald McRaney in episode two. Like Family Ain't family we got here, sir.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Duffy Stone, 14th court solicitor, was hereby recusing himself from the boat crash investigation, accusing itself. Why the hell would he do that? I mean, he's supposed to help us on this. Personal ties. Well, no shit personal ties. You Gave him the job. I mean. I mean, Duff's like family. Like, family ain't family.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

And from what we've learned in our reporting over the years, that's a sentiment that rings true for the Murdaughs. Gloria was always there to help Maggie and Ellick Murdaugh, but to Paul, she wasn't just the help. She was Gogo. And he loved her like a mother. She. Which is something that the timeline shift in the series let us see, and I'm really grateful for that. Kathleen Wilhoyt was always the choice to play Gloria Satterfield. Series co creator Erin Lee Carr, of course, is a fan of Gilmore Girls, in which Kathleen played the troubled but endearing mother of Rory's boyfriend. She knew that one of Kathleen's talents on screen was her ability to convey love and warmth in a palpable way. So Kathleen did not have to audition to play Gloria, which is living the dream in the acting world. I talked to Kathleen about what this was like for her and how she went about creating the Gloria Satterfield character.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Well, again, it wasn't really a choice.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

But you were chosen, which is cool.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

You picked me. I was chosen. And I like to think it's because I can spot a pure soul. Right. I can identify it in my acting instrument. Not to get too technical, but I know what it feels like to live in your quote unquote, best self. And obviously I stray, you know, but for the most part, when I was approaching this character and approaching the work behind creating a full bodied, well rounded character, that is the side of my soul that I chose to tap into, which made my days fabulous. Everybody on the set would say, why are you so happy? So to get a big job like this and to be treated with such respect, who could not be happy. I was delighted. What can we get you for breakfast, Kathleen? Well, I guess I'll have the grits and the eggs. You know, it's just. Who, me? I have to look over my shoulder all the time. You know, I was so delighted.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

But you're a big deal. You are.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

I feel that way, but. And I'm a big deal at the Gilmore Girls fan fest. Yes, but the minute I step off that plane to lax. Out of work actress.

[Narrator/Commentator]

You know, when Mandy and I heard that we'd be interviewing Kathleen, we both.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Thought of Liz Daines.

[Narrator/Commentator]

That was Kathleen's character on Gilmore Girls, who faced addiction issues and was depicted as sweet but sometimes selfish and a neglectful mother who was trying to do better by a son who resented her for his childhood Gloria Satterfield, obviously, is a departure from that role. Gloria was known as a hard worker, and according to court records, she made $10 an hour as the Murdaugh's housekeeper. She struggled financially and with her health. Like many families in Hampton County, South Carolina, where there seemed to be just two classes, poor and not poor, Gloria lived for her boys, Toni and Brian. They were what she valued most in this world. It's a love that no amount of money could ever buy. Her work with the Murdaughs, the long hours, year after year, were for her sons. And the second Gloria was gone and no longer there to protect them, they became prey to Alec Murdoch and his co conspirators. He saw dollar signs in their grief. He was a monster long before the idea even arose to kill his own wife and son.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

As you heard in the podcast, while we were trying to figure out who killed Maggie and Paul. And actually, I had a feeling that he stole from Gloria years before we actually figured it out. Cause there was a lot of. There was a lot of signs, but, like, you know, I didn't know if I was pushing too hard or, like, going too hard on this family, you know? And when we finally figured out what he did with stealing millions of dollars from her family and not giving them a dime, that was the part. And letting her children suffer. And like you said, he should have viewed her as just another family member. She was a family member. Her and Paul were extremely close. She was in every single day.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

How do you leave her kids like.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

That and not only profit off of her deaths, but take from them? And that's when we kind of realized we were like, wow, that a really, really dark and disturbed person could only do this. And could that person also be capable of killing their family? And turns out, spoiler alert.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

You know, I'm just thinking about sometimes when people spoil their children, you can create a monster. If somebody gets everything they want and they always get the trophy. The whole. The way they manipulated. And I think that the Murdochs had this generational monster building machine that was like, you know, like Gigantor from my era. Back in the 70s, we watched this cartoon called Gigantor. Like Gigantor, you know, they just created this monster that got bigger and bigger and bigger, and it started to just eat up the whole town, right? So he became so huge in this whole little town that he then started chewing on his own tail. And then he got nailed. And thanks to people like you, that stayed at it tenacious. Because I think sometimes when we're up against Monsters we get like, ah, forget it.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

And that's a message, too. I think that I was at a point in my journalism career where I also. I felt like there was so much that I couldn't control, and, like, it was like chipping away at Alex Murdock. And it felt like something that I, in the system, that everybody and everybody said. And that was another big lesson of this. Like, don't listen to anybody. People will say, like, it's always been this way, and Alex Murdoch's never going to jail. Like, let me tell you, the hell will freeze over before that guy goes. Things like that that I heard over and over, like, you're wasting of your time with this, or the solid threats that were just not people. Well, people. A lot of people would say, this family knows how to bury bodies, and I'm worried for you, and things like that that were scary to hear. And it's like, I have to do what I can to chip away here and see where this goes. And here we are.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

One of the most disturbing scenes in Murdoch Death in the Family is in episode 104 when Ellich shares his idea for a lawsuit with Gloria's sons, Brian, Harriet and Tony Satterfield. It's like watching a cartoon wolf sharpen his teeth as he imagines the two boys in front of him to be steak dinners. Here is Jason Clark as Ellick, Ben Begley as Corey Fleming, Winter Andrews as Brian, Harriet, and JD Starntz as Tony Satterfield.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Ooh, listen. But knowing Gogo, she's probably sitting up there sipping sweet tea by the Lord's side, just beaming down at that eulogy of yours.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Thank you, Mr. Ratley.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Your mama was our family. Which makes you boys old family, too. Great.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Yeah.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

I want to introduce you boys to a friend of mine. Cory, come on over. Boys, this is Corey Fleming.

[Actor portraying Corey Fleming or Mark Tinsley]

Nice to meet you.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

This is Tony and Brian.

[Actor portraying Corey Fleming or Mark Tinsley]

Got to meet Ms. Gloria a few times out at Moselle. Her light surely shined bright.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Yes, it did. Cory here is a lawyer. He's not as good as me, but he's pretty decent. All right, so listen, Maggie and the boys and me, we want to do right by y' all with your mama falling a Moselle. Well, how? Homeowners insurance can take care of your medical bills, your funeral expenses, and, well, even a little walking around money for the two of you.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Insurance.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

That's right. I mean, I can't sue myself. Cory here, he can represent you in the suit.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

No, sir, we're not trying to sue you or nothing.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

It's okay.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

You just. Bless you, Tony. You're. No, but you ain't suing me. You suing my insurance company.

[Actor portraying Corey Fleming or Mark Tinsley]

And Alec will accept faults.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Yes, I will. What do we got to do? Well, you got to do nothing. I mean, it's just a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo. And that's what Cory here is for. Yep. There's no price we can put on what y' all lost. You know, at least this way we get y' all a little something for loss of that beautiful mama of yours. That sound okay?

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Bless y'.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

All. Oh, come on. Bring it in. Come on. What?

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Thank you, Mr. Cor.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

No, your mom Always a blessing. You hear me?

[Narrator/Commentator]

The thing I can hear is what Gloria's sister said about Alec Murdoch after learning he had stolen every penny of the secret 4.3 million dollar settlement he and Corey had gotten from Alex insurance companies for Gloria's death. She said if he had just given Brian and Tony a tiny fraction of that money to help pay for Gloria's medical bills or keep Brian from being evicted from his mobile home, Brian and Tony would have thought Alec Murdoch had hung the moon. But as we all know, Alec was greedy. What continues to frustrate us about the Satterfield case has been how, even to this day, there are people in Elekt circles and in legal social circles in South Carolina who continue to question whether Alec Murdoch had it in him to do something so heartless as to kill his wife and son. As if the Satterfield case didn't show that Elec was capable of highly sociopathic behavior. As if the Satterfell case didn't show that Elec has the ability to dehumanize people for his own benefit. As if the case didn't involve Elec looking at two grieving young men in the eyes, knowing that they faced a lifetime of struggles ahead, and still deciding that it would be okay to use them and their mother's death. In this way, the Satterfield case shows just how little Alec Murdoch valued the lives of people who aren't Alec Murdoch. For generations, Hampton county has grown a garden of working class people for the Murdaugh family to exploit and profit from. And in Ellic's case, steal from. Gloria was more than just someone who existed in Ellic's realm for Ellic's benefit. She was her own person. Mandy talked to Kathleen about her experience in transforming into Gloria for the series.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

When you got the role, how did you start diving in? What was your process?

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

First thing I did was I Googled it and I saw I saw a photograph of her, and she liked to wear her hair back. And I happen to have. I'm a bangs person. I like fringe on my forehead. So I was like, oh, boy, that's gonna be tricky. That's gonna be the trickiest bit. I'm gonna show my big moon forehead to everybody. My brother used to be like, I'm gonna get shine up your forehead, you know, and he. When he'd put his knees on my shoulders, you know, brother's torture. Anyway, I digress. So I looked her up. I could see the warmth in her presence. And that's when I found your podcast. So I immediately downloaded the Murdoch Murders podcast, your podcast on my phone, and I started listening to it from the minute. You know, couple hours after the deal was closed, started listening to the podcast. And then I got a. The production gave me, like, a PDF of all of the articles and photographs that they had for their research. And so I started pouring through that. And then I did listened to different podcasts from South Carolina to try to get the sound of the accent in my ear. And I found that it was because I lived in Nashville for a while, for a few years, and I found that a lot of it. I mean, I didn't need to go too extreme on it, but I found that it felt really comfortable in my mouth and in my ear, the accent. So I just started to lean into that when I would do sort of my visualizations of the character, and then I break down the script. That's just part of my process. And then I. This was huge. When I got to Atlanta and I had my costume fitting, I was floored by the talent of the costume designer, and he, like, transformed me. So I had sort of all these different pieces, and then he put these clothes on me. And then the makeup and hair people were phenomenal. And they did my makeup and hair. And I looked in the mirror and I looked at myself in my costume, and I said to myself, fly away, rock star. Fly away. Kathleen, you very cool chick from the 80s. Fly away. You are. You've been transformed to a housekeeper from South Carolina. And that's really the extent of my. My work, my. And. And. And every time I got into makeup and hair, I felt immediately transformed.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

You didn't really have to, like, listen to all of the episodes. I think that that's impressive that you wanted to know, like, the whole story of everything. Had you heard of Alex Murdoch? Did you know the story at all, or.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

I didn't. I. I just started from episode one. Now, here's the thing. And I'm not just saying this to butter you at Buttercup. Okay. It was completely. I was transfixed. It was incredible because I was kind of close to it. Like, I felt, first of all, I was thrilled to be involved. And then I was just like, I can't wait to get to the Gloria Satterfield part. And I believe it's like, episode four. I can't remember. That's just off the top of my head. But anyway, started to move through the Gloria Satterfield part. And then I was. After I died, of course I was gonna put it down, but I was like, I can't put it down because now that she's about to go to court or, you know, like, whatever, it's happening. And I hate that dastardly. What you call the bad guy, Dick Harpootley. Dick.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Dick.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

And that he was disrespectful to you. And then I got a kick out of the vocal fry stuff, because I'm aware of that as a voiceover person, you know, I understand what that is. I have students in my class that have it, and it didn't really bother me, but when you got hassled so hard for it, I just started laughing. I found it really funny. Like, it hurt your feelers.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

It did, didn't it?

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

You must have gotten laid out, or. What did they say?

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

It was just, like, thousands of emails.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

From people, and I had.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Not really.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

I was a journalist, so I was trained as a journalist. So, like I said, I didn't know what vocal fry was. I had to Google it when I was getting all these emails, and they were like, fix your vocal fry. I'm like, what is this? I don't even know what this is. And then I got mad because I was like, they're more mad about my.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Voice than they are about what these.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

Horrible men are doing in this podcast. Like, focus on that a little bit. And my voice isn't going to sound perfect. But I'm like, also, like you said, it was a breaking news situation, so there wasn't, like, a lot of time to go to vocal classes or anything like that. And also, I was tired. And as you know, as a vocal coach, like, if you don't have sleep, my voice sounds completely different when I don't sleep. I don't know if that's.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Oh, my God, a hundred percent.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

It's lower. It's like. And I listen back to those episodes. I'm like, oh, it was just exhausting. That was the main problem with my voice.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

It never bothered me until you started talking about it. And it didn't bother me, but I did find the self effacing humor delightful. And it made me like you. You know, like it humanized you even more than already being kind of crucified by this, like the Good Old Boys Network. And that's what I told my husband on our walk today about you and your podcast about ripping the band aid off of the Good Old Boys Network. And it was a festering freaking wound that probably has run deep for 200 years. You know, please. And we've all heard about it. We all know about it. So what you did was a huge service. And also. Yeah. And should be lauded. Cause especially now, because I feel like there's a kind of this drumbeat that's quietly building, building, building, building of wanting to go back to the. To connections, to freaking redistricting, you know, to try to manipulate, like truth.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

And they don't like the girls playing either.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Making this companion podcast was truly therapy for me, helping me see everything through a new lens. This exchange with Kathleen Wilhoyt, who I watched as a kid on Pepper Ant Kilmart Girls and ER is a perfect example of those moments that have helped me heal the open wounds that I endured during the Murdoch investigation. First of all, Kathleen, referring to Dick Harpoutlian as that dastardly bad guy was a full circle moment in itself. Dick Harpoutlian is a former state senator who was Alec Murdoch's defense attorney. He is one of the richest attorneys in the state, maybe even in the region. And he is, in my opinion, a living symbol of our broken justice system. Dick is being played by the amazing Jim o' Hare in this series. And you saw him representing Paul in the boat crash, which really did happen. Dick Karpoulian and Jim Griffin represented Paul from 2019 until his death in 2021. Then they switched to represent the man accused of killing their former client, which was real weird. In the summer of 2021, I was a big problem for Elek's defense team as the vast majority of other reporters covering the Murdaugh case printed and pushed his pro Ellic Murdaugh lies to the public. I noticed this dozens of times. Dick would say something that would make Ellick look better. Reporters would immediately print it as it was. As it was usually something super sensational. And I was one of the only journalists saying, wait a minute, we can't trust this guy as he clearly has an agenda. Do not take him for his word. I didn't realize how much my little voice on my Little podcast bothered him until one day in court, he looked around the room at a sea of reporters and made a sexist remark about me. I wasn't there as I suffered a panic attack earlier that day, but I heard it on live tv, followed by an eruption of laughter from the journalists, my peers in the room. I was also beating every reporter in that room to every major scoop in the Murdaugh case. But the laughter and collective support of Dick Harpootlian, Team Murdoch from the media that I felt at the time, that really stung. I sobbed that night. But it didn't take long for my sadness to turn into anger. That fueled me to go harder on Team Elek and his supporters. That day, I realized that I was a major threat to Team Murdoch. So I worked harder from that day on to uncover the truth about Elec Murdaugh and about Gloria Satterfield. Back then, I knew that I didn't fit in with the other reporters covering the Murdaugh case. But the process of making this show with other major artists who are movers and shakers and who touch so many lives on a big scale and not just in South Carolina, that has helped me heal from feeling so alone and so shunned. It has also been really cathartic to see this case through their eyes. I asked Kathleen what she thought about Ellick and what he had done to Gloria and her family.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

Were you shocked by what happened to Gloria, how they stole all that money from her?

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Well, I wasn't shocked after, you know, with your. So that. By the time that came up, I was sort of. And also, obviously, I read the script, so I knew what was gonna happen, but I just am floored by the depth of depravity that, like, I had a person help me with my kids for years, and I love her. She was instrumental in raising my kids and their values and, you know. Cause I was. You know, I had to maintain my career just to support our group, my little family. And she helped me tremendously and is. I can't imagine profiting on her, you know, if she were to ever. She's alive and well and glorious, but I can't imagine that how. Well, you know what comes to mind? Sociopath. Like a full sociopath. To do that and then to, like, shoot your wife. Well, I don't want to. Should we. Spoiler alert.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

I think. I think people who are listening won't. Alex is a sociopath.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Oh, to hurt your family. I can't. Like my daughter. When she cries, I always go like, ruby, don't do it. Don't, because I immediately get a lump in my throat. Like, I start crying. I'm supposed to be the strong one. And she's like, I can't help it. But I was like, don't cry because I'm going to cry, you know? But to go ahead and shoot your wife and son, I just think that's astounding. It's so unnatural. It's so unnatural for a parent to hurt their child. It's just. And thank God that's not how we were wired. It's just not. Your child gets hurt, it hurts you. My friend Bird, she says they're like voodoo dolls. And if somebody sticks a pin in the voodoo doll kid, it's like they stuck a pin in you. And that is so true with all three of my kids. And. Yeah, so there you go.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

Yeah. I mean, there's some theories that, like, Alex wanted to save Paul from the pain of. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was just trying to save himself from, well, the boat crash. No, I'm joking.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

Yeah, I'm joking. Yeah. I mean, that's terrible.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

No, it had to do 100%. Like, he's a true narcissist sociopath. 100%. There's no getting around it.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Yeah.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

It's just outrageous.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Yeah. More to come. Don't worry. After a quick commercial break. And we'll be right back.

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[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

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[Actor portraying Corey Fleming or Mark Tinsley]

Well, it's hard to make sense of a sociopath logic, right? But. But there is a logic to it. And it was. I remember in October of 21, when the financial watershed moment, sort of, I began to see it and. No, I mean, even you talked about Satterfield. What I thought had happened in Satterfield was that Ellick had laid down. It was, you know, that idea of this friendly lawsuit, got his buddy to represent the Satterfields, recovered the insurance on his house, split the fee with Corey, and. And that was the end of it. And so that's what I believe had happened. And Corey hadn't recovered everything because it was not the best case, because probably Alec just laid down and there was. And I had heard how Ellic had bullied and blustered to make the insurance carrier settle that suit, Right? And so. But never in a million years could I have imagined they didn't. He didn't give them anything. And I think that there are a couple of things that really show how he began to believe. His own invincibility and how arrogant he was. That's one of them. I mean, think about how much he has to give those Du Bois before they stop asking questions. Not much. Give them $100,000 each. And you never hear from Eric Herriot, never comes to my office and says, we didn't get a penny. What do you mean, you didn't get a penny? I mean, that can't be. And so he gives them a little. He's actively stealing money. I offered him a payment plan when he said he was broke. All he had to do is give that up. And, you know, so when I'm in the guts of whatever that building where the AG's office is and finished testifying to the grand jury, I mean, I told Alan Wilson, this is the reason Ellic ought to have a bullet behind his ear. He's gonna be the cock of the walk in prison. He's gonna have a grand time. He's gonna gamble for his meat sticks. He's gonna continue to do what he does. Life is too good for him because he could have taken a deal. I mean, he was stealing money, he was playing with the house's money. He could have paid this thing off, kept everybody. But his own ego or narcissism or whatever it is, wouldn't let him.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

In the last episode of the Murdoch Death in the Family official podcast, actor Johnny Birchtold, who plays Paul Murdaugh, told us about what Paul's emotional phone call to Gloria from the Bahamas looked like behind the scenes. It was not a one sided scene acted out with a script supervisor off camera. Kathleen Wilhoyt was on the other end of the line acting out the scene with Johnny, which added so much depth and emotion to that moment. Here is that scene from the third episode of the show.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Hello?

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Go, go. Paul, you okay, baby?

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Go, go.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

What's it like in the hell?

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Honey, it's so late.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Do you think it really hurts?

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

God forgives you. He does.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

He doesn't.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

He does not.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

If you accept his love in your heart, he'll take care of you.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Um.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

I don't think I have a heart.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

You love me, baby. I know you do. And God sees it too. He sees you every day. Okay? So you just have to let him in and he'll look out for you.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

You promise? I promise.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Yes.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Okay. Okay.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

I asked Kathleen what it was like to work with Johnny and in particular filming those scenes.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Well, here's the thing that I thought made a huge difference is that Johnny Birchtold the actor, insisted on being there to do my off camera work. Right. To do the other side of the phone. And I feel that that was such. Especially for a young dude. You know, I never expect anybody to be generous. You know, it's profession. You go to work, you punch your time clock in, you punch out, I prepare for what is generally done, which is the script supervisor says, oh, it's a terrible thing. Do you believe in Jesus or whatever? Like they read, they bellow the lines and then every script supervisor's be like, kathleen, screw you, you know, I was good. I was a former actor. Well, a lot of them are talented. I will say that a lot of script supervisors are talented, but you have to just. You just have to do all of the work about, you know, and utilize the greatest tool an actor has, which is their imagination. And imagine, you know, I know that with my own children, this is just true, that no matter what they did, my children know that I will be on their side. I got them. Even if they were rotten and they're not, they're great. But anyway, I just imagine that she does view Johnny's character, Paul, as like one of her children. She makes jokes about it, and so it wasn't that huge of a stretch for me. What the surprising aspect is on that particular scene on that particular day is that this act, Johnny Birchtold, showed up after he was wrapped to do his off camera lines. And that's what I teach in my class at CalArts. Acting for the camera is you gotta be one of those guys. You gotta be one of the heroes on this set, not one of the jerks. There's. There are plenty of jerks. Shocking amount of jerks and a shocking amount of unlike. So it was shocking to me that he did that. You know, it was really a generous thing. So simultaneously when he went to shoot his side, he was on location. I. My daughter was working in the production, so she called me and she goes, they want to use you. And so I did my. He was listening to me speak on the phone so that we could create some truth and art.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

I mean that. What an answer.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

I love acting. I do love it.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

I think that that's so funny. And that's something that I never realized until I was on set for the first time on this show of, like, the phone calls have to be hard as an actor because you're not getting that emotion typically from the person on the other. And I've seen the script supervisor, you said, is just kind of shouting lines.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

And the script supervisor on this, she was a magnificent human being. I love her so much.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

I have to pause here and reflect on this moment. Amy Lacy with our script supervisor on Murdoch, Death in the Family. She was truly a ray of sunshine. Among all of the friendly faces that I got to know on set, Amy always stood out. She felt like a mom to everyone who was working on the show. And she was brilliant. She knew the story through and through, and she was constantly giving her all to make the series great. Moments after we finished this interview in September, we learned that Amy Lacey was in a horrific car crash in Atlanta. She would later succumb to her injuries. It is not entirely shocking that Amy came up in this interview because, of course, she was a huge part of the show. It was just sad and stunning, looking back, that someone who worked so hard on this series wasn't able to see the end product. It was a stark reminder for all of us on this show how precious life is and to spend our time doing work that truly matters. Rest in power, Amy Lacey. We will not forget the magic that you brought to this series.

[Narrator/Commentator]

After Paul Murdock is brought home from the hospital in episode two of Murdoch Death in the Family, Maggie, his mother, puts him to bed. It's there that he mistakenly calls her Gogo, which Maggie, played by the wonderful Patricia Arquette, takes in stride. As though this wasn't the first time Paul had mistakenly associated nurturing as something that came only from Gloria on set. It seems that actors Johnny Birchtold and Kathleen Wilhoyt formed a similar bond as their characters had in real life. Mandy talked to Kathleen about this and how it helped with their performances.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

I think he made a huge difference in this show with things like that.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

He.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

I don't know if we can share this or not, but I know that in the scenes at Moselle, they had a body double. But he was there for all of it because he felt like it was important for him to be there and he was just always there to support everybody. And I think it shines through in the show. And like that scene, I think is so much more emotional because you guys.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Had that connection and it was fostered. One of the things that I tell my students is that if you have a relationship with someone in the script, it is in the text and it is in the work. It behooves you to create a relationship with the actor playing that part. So at the read through, it's always a touchy thing because you don't know if people are open to it. I've been on shows where shoots where they tell you before you even show up, don't talk to him. Whatever you do, don't say a word, don't even look at him. That happened to me once, and my first scene was the guy tackles me in the scene is incredibly weird. I'm like, all right, who knows what the deal is? Maybe guest stars hassled him, I don't know. But that's freaking weird. Anyway. Johnny Burchtold, conversely, walked right up to me at the read through and he's like, I'm playing Paul and he was as warm as can be. And the two of us created a genuine regard, respect and friendship with each other that I think I'm hoping, according to you, translates on screen. And that's really my ultimate objective because I care about my work.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

And that's also something that is very kind to show for Paul. I think in all of my reporting, I talked a little bit about how they had a. How he had a relationship with Gloria. But Gloria really brought out the most human side of him. And she was like his sense of normalcy in that scene. And that is, from what all my sources said, I believe to be true. He really considered her as a mother. And it was a huge, huge loss on him to lose Gloria so early. And, gosh, I mean, Paul is such a complicated figure, as we all know. But I think it's important to, you know, he did have human. He did have very real and very human parts to him that. And he was 19 and just very young when he lost his life. But I'm glad that the show is showcasing that and through Gloria. And Gloria was just. Seems like such an awesome person. You said earlier that you were very positive on set. Did you bring positivity to Gloria's personality? What did you pick up from her?

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Well, one of the things that happened that was a little bit unfortunate or fortunate, I can't decide. But Erin, who's one of the executive producers, had a friendship with Gloria's real sons. And she said, if you want to talk to them, I can hook that up, if you want to talk to them about Gloria. But I had already put two scenes in the can, as we say in showbiz. I'd already filmed two scenes. And then also, I know about my own mother. My mother died when I was 38 of. You know, she was a smoking lung cancer, you know, cigarette with the oxygen, you know, like. And I was shocked she died. What. But that relationship with grief and who the person was and your memory with them, it's just so huge that to have an actor come in and ask you questions, like, it just. It just didn't feel right. And I felt like I needed to create an impressionistic painting kind of of the character versus hyper specific. Because it just didn't feel right. The kinds of questions that I would ask. I don't know, it just felt too. I need them to have their memory of their mother and know that I played a character that fits in this particular project in this particular way, utilizing facts that were available to everybody and so that they can hold onto their Memory of the specific, you know, thing. Maybe I landed accidentally on some qualities that were like, Gloria, that would be fantastic. But I didn't want to cause any kind of further to bring up stuff for them, you know, bless them. I know that she was a very good Christian and that meant the world to her. And that certainly isn't difficult for me to tap into in my own life and in my own sort of spiritual journey as a mother. 100%. But it is quite a blow to lose a parent. It is like, I mean, it is. Fasten your seatbelts. Brutal. And I can only imagine if there was. It was shrouded in. Did she get pushed down the stairs? You know, all of that. I can only imagine that that would just pour gasoline on the. The pain that grief brings. And it felt like through the things that I read, that they, her sons were walking with such dignity in such a dark, dark. Through such a dark thing to have happened to them.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

And they were just like so many of the victims in this, did not ask to be in the spotlight whatsoever and did not want it. And there was a couple times when I consider, like, oh, should I ask them for an interview on my podcast? But it was kind of the same thing that it was like, I don't want to drag them into any more pain or have to worry about anything else, like if they want to. Some victims love the ability to be able to speak about their family members and others just want to grieve in private, and that's totally fine too. But it's. That was so unfortunate for them, and I always felt so bad for them that they were just swept up in this monstrous story. And as I'm sure you've seen, you look at the Internet and there's just a million speculative stories about things that could have happened to Gloria and that would just be so much harder. I haven't lost a parent, but I lost my brother when I was a kid, so I understand. Grief.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Episode four gives us insight into how Paul might have been affected by Gloria's sudden death. And it shows us how Maggie's and Alec's parenting decisions, though maybe well intentioned, were actually damaging to Paul. The Murdochs might want to protect Paul from experiencing pain, fear and sadness, but they seem to think that's accomplished through detachment and an air of entitlement by minimizing problems or sweeping them under the rug altogether. The scene at the dinner table where Paul learns that his parents have been lying to him about Gloria's prognosis demonstrates his frustration with how they operate?

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

No, thank you. We're making progress, aren't we, Papa? Give me a bab.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

How's Gogo?

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Yeah, how was she? Maybe she's not doing good. She had to have a surgery on her rib, and it got infected. And because of her health problems.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Wait, wait, hold up. You told me she was okay.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

She was. I thought she was. When's she coming back? St. Paul? I don't think she is. But they got her on a ventilator now, and they're trying to keep her just as comfortable as they can.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

I mean, all this from falling down a few stairs. It's a damn shame.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Horrible.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Her poor brother.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Boys.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Alec, we got to do something for them. Quit talking like she already dead.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Hey, don't even swear.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

I know that. That she means the world to you. You mean the world to her. She loves you like you're one of her own. If you want to go say goodbye to her, we can go.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

Y' all don't know.

[Actor portraying Corey Fleming or Mark Tinsley]

You don't even care about her.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

What?

[Narrator/Commentator]

What?

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

That is not true.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

No.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Y' all worked her half to death. No wonder she failed. It's Yalls fault. I cannot. This is the last thing he needs, baby.

[Actor portraying Duffy Stone]

How do you expect him to react? You know he loves the woman.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Yeah, I know. And now he's gonna lose her like he lost all his friends. You know what he needs?

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

It is interesting, right? How the Maggie character equates grief. The kind that one naturally experiences when a loved one dies. With Paul losing his friends, which was a consequence of his own behavior. The result of pushing things too far with them and causing the death of their loved one and burdening them with the responsibility of validating his family's narrative about who was driving. Also a side note, I am in awe of Patricia Arquette's version of Maggie in the way she was able to portray Maggie as two things at once. As a woman who is fiercely protective of her sons while being so destructively permissive that it necessitates the protection. I asked Kathleen to share what it was like being on set while some of those scenes were being filmed.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

Who were some of your favorite people on set? And what did you love about being on the show? I guess that's two questions.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

She's phenomenal. What a great actress and kind person. And Jen lynch is my friend for 100 years, and so she's one of the directors. And so when she came, I had just always a ball with her. And Michael and Aaron, the executive producers are lead with their heart and their intellects and I felt like the script is great, not just saying it. Like I got the words just poured out of my mouth. That's what actors love. I loved all the directors of all of my episodes. And what else? The AD I worked with on the oa, so that was fun. I did the oa. It was so fun. And so I saw him. I was like, Antonio, it was so nice. And Bruner and I mean, I had a ball and I saw. Well, see, this is the thing. If you play a character that's full of light and love, then you just. You see the light and love. And again, I told you about the costume designer and the makeup and hair people being. They're just geniuses. I mean, they just. It was so fun. And then the other actors and Jason was fantastic. But my scenes were mostly with Patricia, and she's an actress's actress. She's amazing. She's generous. I just adored her. And Johnny, Chef's kiss. I mean, like I told you, what a pro. What a pro. To go up to the person who's playing the housekeeper nanny and forging a friendship with me. He's just stone cold pro. True artist, actor.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

In episode four, we learn a lot more about the Maggie character through Gloria's tragedy. Maggie seems like someone who wants to be a kind and thoughtful benefactor, to be a woman who is in tune with others needs and who shows people that she appreciates them and cares. But she's been so stymied by her own insularity as a Murdoch that it comes across awkwardly when she does. Her entire focus in life has been on Ellick and the boys. It's as if taking care of Ellick left nothing for anyone else. You can feel it in Maggie's seeming discomfort at the hospital. I'm sorry, ma', am, no flowers in the icu.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Oh, I'm so sorry. It's okay. How long has she been.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Her heart stopped.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Had to resuscitate inventor.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

We're keeping her comfortable as we can.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

In the meantime. In the meantime, take as long as you need.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Hey, hey.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Hey, pretty lady. I'm sorry it's taking me so long to get here. Things have just been so crazy at the house without you. Not that I'm blaming you, though.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

God.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

Knows how you keep it all together. I ran into your Brian at the grocery store. He has grown into such a fine young man. Papa would be here visiting you, but I just don't have it in my heart to tell him how bad it is. Remember when he used to scream and scream with me when he was a baby. He never cried with you? You never.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

No.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

You two had something special, and I was grateful for it. I felt lucky to have you there when.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

I just.

[Actor portraying Brian or Tony Satterfield]

I couldn't be. But I knew that he felt loved. And I don't know how I could thank you for that.

[Narrator/Commentator]

After the murders, some sources close to the Murdaugh family told us that it was difficult for them to express grief in front of them for Maggie and Paul, because it almost seemed like an affront to the Murdaughs, as if confirming that Ellick had done this to them. It just wasn't talked about. This, we're told, is a quintessential Murdoch trait, pretending the problem doesn't exist. And I think that's why this scene rings so true in its awkwardness. Because, like Gloria, Maggie was a person apart from the Murdochs, with her own opinions on how to live and how to treat other people. Unlike Gloria, though, she didn't have much opportunity outside of the Murdoch bubble to practice being her own person. This series and its shift in timeline encourages people to remember and honor Gloria for the giving human she was and the light that she brought to this world.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

When Gloria's family settled their cases against those liable for ellic's thefts in 2022, they started Gloria's Gift Foundation, a charity that provides Christmas gifts to Hampton county families who are struggling financially. Since its inception, Gloria's Gifts has provided presents for more than 100 children and at least 50 families. Speaking of Gloria's reimagined timeline in the series feels like a gift so much. You experience the anguish of the Gloria character's loss, but it also gives us so much. We get to see Paul through Gloria's love for him. We get to see Gloria as a loving presence in her own family's life, and that is in large part because of the casting. Kathleen brings such a comforting energy to Gloria's character that you almost want to hug her through the screen. Like in the scene where Gloria sits down to eat dinner with her boys and the three join hands in prayer.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Because you think about, like, we've all done crappy things. Everybody's done crappy things. I writhe with pain with, I do a crappy thing. I can't get over it. And I can't even imagine taking out someone you know and love for whatever reason. Oh, my God. I can't even imagine.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

I can't either.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

The Satterfield story will go down in Murdoch history as one of the most vile things Elec Murdock was ever able to do and almost got away with doing simply because of who he was and who was willing to help him and who was willing to look the other way. Gloria's family and their decision to fight for all that Elec had taken from them and more has made sure that her death was not in vain. Real change has been made in how settlements are handled in the low country today. No longer are lawyers allowed to play fast and loose with informal hearings or ignore filing rules because of Gloria Satterfield and her boys and Eric Bland, who fought so hard for them. Other families grieving the tragic loss of their loved ones are now better protected against fraud.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

I honestly, there was not a soul on that set that I didn't adore.

[Interviewer/Podcaster (possibly Mandy Matney)]

I loved it. It was just sweet. And I think that the Satterfield family looks so sweet and kind and it just reflects the truth. I love it.

[Kathleen Wilhoyt]

Oh good. Well, I hope so. You know, I felt the responsibility to do the best job I could, you know.

[Narrator/Host (possibly Mandy Matney or Liz Farrell)]

Next week we will welcome director of Episode five, Aaron Lee Carr and a special guest, the real Sandy Smith, as we dive deeper into everything Murdoch and beyond. We hope that you're enjoying the original series Death in the Family and don't forget to like, share, subscribe and leave a comment or five star rating to give our creators, cast and crew the praise that they deserve. And don't miss Murdoch. Death in the Family now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney. The Murdoch Death in the Family official podcast is a Luna Shark and USG Audio production. Executive producers include Mandy Matney, Liz Farrell, David Moses for Luna Shark and Josh Block for USG Audio. Sound design and audio engineering by Jamie Hoffman, Mike Bader and Grace Hills Production support for USG Audio by Josh Lalonghi Special thanks to Kate Thomas, Beth Braden, Ginny Adams and Sam Berlin. To learn more about this story and others, visit lunasharkmedia. Com.