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How are you today? I hope you're having a wonderful day so far. My name is Bailey Sarian and today is Monday, which means it's murder mystery and makeup Monday. New theme song if you're new here. Hi, my name is Bailey Sarian and on Mondays I sit down, I talk about a true crime story that's been heavy on my noggin and I do my makeup at the same time. But listen, today doing something a little different, I went on my Instagram boop boop boop boop boop. And I was like hey, do you guys have any questions like let's do a little Q and A, let's do some like, kind of like fan theories out there and some cases we've already done. So I'm going through, I'm going to read some of your guys questions you have and let's talk about some cases and some theories that you guys have thrown out there and just kind of talk about some episodes that we've done in the past as well. Anywho, let's start with some questions. So first question, here we go. Satan's little Snack. That's the username. Has there ever been a case where halfway through research you decided you weren't going to do it? Now I saw a handful. I get asked this a lot actually. If like there has been a case where halfway through I was like I'm not going to do it. I was trying to think, I was thinking and they're really, I can't name one. Off the top of my head, there has been a couple of cases where I just had to, like, abort mission because there really wasn't any information. It would be like one or two lines here, and, like, I couldn't find anything else. And it was like, okay, there's nothing here. So there have been like, a couple of those. I think for the most part, though, here I don't like to do stories that involve kids. You know, I really don't. So those, like, usually if I realize, like, there are a lot of kids involved, I'm like, no. But usually I just go for it. Thank you for your question. Ferriswheel. Great name. What's the case that creeps you out the most? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. You know? Hmm. Okay. I think one that creeps me out the most is still. It's an old episode. The Toy Box Killer. Do you remember that? Okay. Way back when, did a story about the Toy Box Killer. And this is when I went on that long rant about that little town called Truth and Consequences. That was the name of the town where all of this took place. And it was like, what the hell is up with that name? Well, I found out there was a TV show called Truth and Consequences. It was a game show, and they had some kind of raffle, and if you. If you won the game or whatever, you had to pick the name of your town and they would name it Truth and Consequences. Whatever, doesn't matter. But the Toy Box Killer guy, he had a big piece of property. He would pick up ladies at a local bar. He would drug them. He would take them back to his creepy ass trailer. He would tie them up to, like, he got, like. You know when you go to the gynecologist and you get in that stupid, stupid chair and you have to put your legs in that. Those stupid things. He got one of those in his trailer. So he put the victims, like, in there, Put them in there. He would tie them up to the chair. He would leave them in there until they woke up. And when they would wake up, the victims, a recording would be playing. And it was a recording that he made. It was all about what he was gonna do to them, how they were bad people. And you can listen to the recording online and it's just so creepy. Hello there.
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Wrists and ankles chained, gagged, probably blindfolded.
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You are disoriented and scared too, I would imagine. And then he would Come in and he would allow his friends to come in and do whatever they wanted to the victims. And the whole thing is just so disturbing. And a lot of the times the victims would be just so drugged, they wouldn't even remember a lot of it. Most of the victims wouldn't make it out alive. There was one victim who made it out alive and she had like no memory of it until police officers. Because he also recorded everything on videotapes. So police officers, they eventually catch the guy, they find the tapes and they end up finding the victim. And they're like, hey, do you remember this guy? Or whatever. And she starts having flashbacks of like, yes, I kind of remember him. And then they show her the tape. She's like, no memory of any of this happening. So she's seeing for the first time, like what happened in the trailer. And it was a whole thing, it was awful. He gets caught, arrested, and then his dumbass. As soon as he gets, he gets arrested and like a week later has a heart attack. Lame. But it was dark, it was gross, it was disturbing. That one for sure creeped me out. Just because of everything I said. It was disgusting. And just knowing that there's like such creeps out there like that, I don't. KennySaintDenis. Is YouTube your full time job or do you have a day job? So, yeah, YouTube is my full time job. Yeah. So I know what you guys see. Like it's just one or two videos a week or whatever. But so much work goes into dark history and murder mystery. I got a whole team helping me out here. Okay. I got editors, I got researchers, I got writers with dark history history. Like so much research writing goes into those episodes to make sure that we're sharing factual information. It's like, yes, my delivery is kind of like haha, funny, whatever. But what we're saying or what I'm saying is like facts, we're always going after facts. And with every single episode we make sure to get an expert to review them. So we have to find like an expert to make sure that we're telling the story correctly. And then it goes through legal to make sure, you know, we're legally, are we good? You know, and then for murder mystery it's the same thing. Research, research. I just started working with a new researcher. He's incredible. And he gathers like all of the information, fat packets of research. And before it was just kind of like I learned how to like get court documents, how to just find all the information, but it would take forever. So now it's like having someone do that is incredible. And like just gather it all for me. Then taking that fat packet, going through the whole thing, right? And then writing the story. Usually when I do like a murder mystery, I still get really, I just get really involved. I still like, I watch every video I can find about it. If there's like interviews or documentaries about them, I'll find books, books to read just to really fully make sure I understand the full story and not just Wikipedia or something, you know, and then the same thing, like once the, the script is done, the writing's done, then it has to go through legal, make sure everything that's, that's good and filming. A lot of people ask like, if I plan what makeup looks I do for murder mystery, it's like, no. Usually when I sit down, I'm like, today I'm feeling purple. You're something, you know, And I just kind of go for it. I think maybe if I did plan my makeup a little bit more, it could probably help me out because some days I'm like, what am I doing? I don't know, but I don't. I'm a free spirit. But yeah. So a lot of work goes into making dark history and murder mystery. And it is my full time job and I love it. It's so fun. Like, I really found a love for storytelling throughout the years, which is so random. Is it? Yeah. I never really thought I would. My whole life is, is, is murder true crime and hidden history. And when I go home, all the stuff I read, even on my free time, is still usually either true crime related or history related. And I'm, I'm really, it's like maybe I should find like another hobby. But then I always end up like, tying back to true crime or history or something. So I need to find a balance. I need hobbies. Thank you for your question. Raelyn, period 15, asked what serial killer scares you the most? For me it's Richard Ramirez. Richard Ramirez is pretty creepy. Especially when he like filed his teeth down. Like, that's psycho. That's psycho. What's a serial killer that creeps me out the most most. Who scares you the most? I'm going to say Zodiac only because it's top of mind. Because one, this person never got caught. Two, because this person like killed. And this is gonna sound gross and stuff, but like, normally when a serial killer kills, it's like they kind, they usually like, like sexually assault the victim or something. Like they do, they rob them. There's something. But with the Zodiac killer kill it was just, like, so random. No rhyme or reason. He didn't stalk or anything. He just, like, found people and, like, killed them. And, like, that, to me, is really creepy. Oh. But then btk, yeah, he was creepy, too, because he was the stalker type who would follow people, break into their homes, and would make them do awful things. Wait, that might be my answer. He was pretty gross. He was, like a Cub Scout leader. Man led. Leader of the church or whatever. I'm sure I'm gonna, like, be. You know when you drive home after, like, an interview or something, and you're like, oh, I should have said this. I should have said that. That's gonna be me right after this, I think. Btk. Btk, Final answer. And Zodiac, we'll go with that. Thank you for your question. I mean, Richard Ramirez is a good one, though. Kooky. He was a kooky one at P Y T P. Hannah underscore. How old were you when you got into true crime? That's a great question. My mom was a 911 dispatcher. I've mentioned this before growing up, and I would beg her to, like, let me go to work with her. And, you know, looking back as an adult, I'm like, she should have never taken me to work with her. But she did. And so I had it. I was young. I was like, nine, ten, I don't know, but. But I would sit in, I'd put on the headphones, and I would listen to, like, the 911 calls coming in. It was like, whoa. You have no idea what's really going on, like, right now every single day. And it's just crazy. I don't know. It was, like, my first introduction to, I guess, just the real world. But it also got me just really curious about, like, why do these things happen? Why? I always had, like, why is my favorite question why? That, I feel like, is kind of like, really where it started. But also I feel like it was JonBenet Ramsey. I was super young when that happened, but I remember it being all over the news and thinking to myself, like, oh, you can. You can die when you're a kid. Like, it was a. A new thing, I was realizing. And it was again, why, though? I thought you only died when you got older. And the fact that, like, still unsolved. Everyone has their theories, and it's like, with that one, will we ever know really the answer? I don't know. But, yeah, it started then. I've always kind of been a little morbidly curious, I would say. And That's, I think. Okay. I mean, that's how people become like investigators and shit. It's the curious ones. But it definitely started young. Thank you for your question. Tis the season for holiday parties, which means you're left starving because honestly, sometimes, you know, your family's food just isn't really that great to eat. No offense. Right. 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And I would say, like, it's good, all good. Things. One thing I would like, though. I think I'm ready for a pet. Yeah. You know, I had my dog for a long time and then he passed away. You know how that is. Like, when you lose a pet, it's awful. And you're like, I can't get another. I can't get into another relationship like that. I'm not ready. I'm not ready. And I feel like I would like a little companion, a little dog. But also, I'm debating with myself if. If that's also realistic, though, because I have to be responsible and like, I'm not home a lot. I work a lot. I'm always. I'm always at. I'm always working. So I don't know. But I'm kind of like, you know, I would really like a dog. I would really like a dog again. And I would adopt. Don't shop. Yes. But I'm good. Thank you for asking. That was very nice of you. Rlygirl444 what did you want to be when you were a kid? That's a great question. I was that kid who's kind of always getting. Not in trouble, but kind of because, like, I was the daydreamer. I was always in la la land. I was very imaginative. And I also, like, did not do well in school. Okay. I did not do well in school at all. School and me, we. We don't work. So it was, like, hard because, like, as I got older, I had, like, no direction as to, like, what I was going to do or anything. I went to community college and I just was still like, I don't know what the f. I'm doing. I took art classes and I really enjoyed painting and drawing. I really got into oil painting and I was like, maybe I'll do that. And then you learn that doesn't. You don't make money doing that. Right. So I just, like, worked retail for forever and it was like. I just kind of thought. I thought I was gonna do retail for a long time as. As a kid, though, like, realistically, I wanted to be like, Britney Spears. I wanted to be Hilary Duff. I wanted mainly to be Britney and. But I knew that wasn't. No. I still believe I can maybe still be Britney. But when you look at poor Britney now, I want to be early 2000s Britney. Poor Britney now. Oh, God, I'm watching her videos. What's she doing? I can't do it. Yeah, I don't know. I was a very. I had no direction. So then I started doing painting and all that. Right. So then one day I kind of made the correlation that painting and makeup work the same thing. Like painting faces, shadows, shapes, eye shapes, face shapes, and contouring and bone structure. And everything you learn with, like, painting, it also applies to makeup. And once I like that I made that connection, it was like, that's it. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do makeup. So I was working at Sephora. I worked there for five years. I worked at Sephora and I learned so much when I worked there. And I loved it. I loved making people just feel good about themselves and showing them, like, look, you just like, with these three products, boop, boop. You can like, change and just feel good and powerful and, and beautiful. And I loved that. And I thought I was just going to kind of keep doing makeup. I was a freelance makeup artist for a few years. I did a lot of wedding makeup and then I was a makeup assistant. So I would work with celebrity makeup artists and do that. And I learned a lot. And if you're a freelance makeup artist or freelance, like, hair stylist, you know, your back hurts, your back hurts, hurts. So I was like this, like, I don't know if I can keep doing this, but if I wasn't doing what I'm doing right now, I think I would still probably be freelancing and doing makeup of some sorts. It brings me a lot of joy. It really does. I love makeup because it's a way for me to paint every single day. Cute, huh? Kinda. I don't know. I don't know if that's an inspirational story at all. Anyhow, next question. ILM Illum. Jordan, what are the five cases you struggled to cover on. Mmm, that's a great question. God, I can think of so many every episode because it's like there's sometimes there's so much information and it's like. And I tell you guys all the time, I'm like, this could easily be a five part episode. And you're like, do it, do it. I'm like, I can't though, because for some reason, like, if I do a two parter, YouTube for some reason just doesn't like that people never watch the second part. So it's like, I don't know. That's not the point. Five cases, I would say Menendez brothers. I know I literally just did it. But that one was really hard. There was so much information and there was so much that I had to decide, like, I really want to mention certain things, but at the same time, it was like, okay, this is like, I'm going on hour three here. Like, I gotta filming wise. And it's like, okay, you gotta just cut it out. And how do you make it make sense and. And still talk? It was. That one was hard. I really struggled with that one. So. Menace Brothers, you know what? Let me just pull up my fucking YouTube. I'll tell you right now. Sorry. I've done so many episodes here. I think I've done almost over 200. Or I'm getting close, which makes me kind of sad. Cause If I'm over 200 episodes, then I didn't even celebrate. Oh, I. Okay, Menendez Brothers, then. What's his name? What is his name? Bozo. What's his name? What's his name? Charles Manson. That took me forever to get there, but I got there. Charles Manson. Because I. A lot of the times I think I have an understanding of, like, what the story is or whatever. And then once I start researching and, like, really reading everything you. I realize I'm like, wow, I had it all wrong. And also, I think a lot of us have been looking at this wrong. So with Charles Manson, I was so freaking deep in it. And like, that one, that one, I was so sick of him and Charles Manson. Okay, do you remember that Cannibal Cop episode? Well, if you don't, it's not that old. I did it not too long ago. Cannibal Cop was kind of hard to cover. If you watch the episode. I know we can all agree that, like, his fantasies about cooking and eating women and stuff was gross. And he was posting it online and it was weird and stuff. But then there was like, that dilemma of fantasy versus real life. And it just. It was hard. Cause, like, should you go to prison for your dark fantasies? And, like, it was like a struggle of, like, yeah, like, ew, gross. Like, he was so gross. His fantasies were so gross. But technically he didn't do anything. And like, even with that, I'm like, ew. But what if he did? But what if he did? But he didn't. So it was like. And then there's that scene. Scary discussion of, like, well, what if you are just truly, you have some dark fantasies and you share them, and what if you just get locked up forever for that? Should that be allowed? I think we can all agree no, but even I have hesitation. Like, but it was like, it felt. It was real. It was real. Peep. That one was kind of like a struggle. I still am. Like, I don't know. He. It was so gross. And Dark and twisted. And the fact that he was tying in real people with his fantasies is what made it seem like it was real and it was going to happen. But technically, he didn't do anything. They were just his fantasies. That one was hard. I was just like. Like. And I read his book. I read his book, which was so. He's like, yeah, I thought about eating people. I mean, whatever. It's not a big deal. I mean, doesn't everyone, like, have something like that? I was reading it. Like, I mean, no, but. Okay. Yeah, so that one was kind of hard. Okay. You know else who was kind of hard? Jody Arias. I didn't realize that she had, like, such a big. She has, like, very passionate fans. So I'm over here thinking that we're all on the same page. We're like, she's crazy. I'm sorry. She is. And she brutally killed this poor man who didn't want to freaking be with her. And she couldn't get. She just could not accept that. And she brutally killed this guy. She deserves to be in prison. And I thought it was like, we all agreed on that. And then when I uploaded the video and I was getting a lot of DMS and stuff about, like, she didn't get a proper trial. You're not for women. Like, Like, I just didn't. I just didn't expect that response. Like, her. She has passionate fans who kind of believe she shouldn't be in prison. And that one, like, the story itself wasn't hard. It was more so the feedback afterwards where I was just like, what am I in a different world? Like, are we. What am I getting wrong here? Sometimes it's. It's that part that actually makes it kind of hard. She brutally murdered someone. Like, brutally. It wasn't like, an accident or anything. Like, brutally. Okay. You gotta be locked up for that. Sorry. Okay. I don't understand. Like, that doesn't make me against women. So fucking weird. Last one, Terri Schiavo. Terri Schiavo is one of those stories also where it was like. I remember hearing about it, but I never really understood the voice. Full story. So then once I started reading everything and about her husband and how he really, really tried everything he could to help his. His wife and his partner and be there for her. And how the media ripped him apart, how Terry's family was dragging him, and I just felt like, again, I had, like, no full understanding of the actual story. Just kind of what I vaguely remembered, like, her husband was bad, because I just remember hearing that all the time. And Then you learn about it and you're like, oh, my God. Her husband actually was kind of like the guy, the partner you would hope to have in that situation. And he was made such a villain and everyone just kind of owes him an apology. And then the freaking pope got involved and it was like, what the fuck is even going on with this story? This poor woman, at the end of the day, she wouldn't have wanted to be in that situation. And it was just a sad story. I read Terry Schifau's husband came out with a book like telling his side. Terri Schiavo's family came out with a book telling their side. So I read each of their books. And Terry's family, I was judging. I was like, you guys are okay. All right. And it was just sad. It was actually. It was really, really sad. You know, I think in the comment section too, you guys really kind of felt the same way. And yeah, it was just a. It was a pretty deep story. It was just emotional, too. 5. Yeah. So I think just top of mind. Those are my five. Great question. Listen, I can talk about true crime all day long. Hi. And when it's time to talk about serious or morbid things, when it comes to my own life, you know, I just don't want to think about it because where do you even start? That's where Select Quote comes in. If you're new to life insurance, you're not alone. 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Save more than 50% on term life insurance@SelectQuote.com makeup today to get started, that's SelectQuote.com makeup@ Minnie Mosh. What's something about you that people would find surprising? I don't know. That's a good question. Thank you so much. What would be built. See if. I don't know. Oh, oh, you know what? When I was younger, I tried, like, all this, all the sports, because I was trying to find something that I was good at or just, like, liked. So I did swimming for a while. And in. I went to, like, state. It was a state competition, whatever. So I won second place. Yeah, I won second place in freestyle. And I think I won. It was like, third or fourth or something in butterfly. That was cool. And then I quit because I remember there was this one time while swimming, swimming, swimming. I was so tired that I started. I just, like, I couldn't swim anymore, so I started to drown. And I was just at the bottom of the pool looking up like, I'm gonna die. And then after that, I was like, I think I'm done. So I quit. And then I remember in high school, I did. I tried out for soccer because, again, I was just trying to, like, find the thing. So I tried out for soccer, and I realized there was a lot of running involved. I really didn't take that into consideration. I was like, this is too much. Too much running. You don't stop. So I. I dropped out of that. I did tennis for a little bit. Dropped out of that. I tried horseback riding. I fell off the horse really hard and never went back. I. I'm a quitter, I guess you can say. I used to play violin. I actually really enjoyed violin. I think what would be surprising now is like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Is that surprising? Are you surprised? Oh, I was a cheerleader. Yeah. In High School. 9th, 10th and half of 11th grade, I did cheerleading. It was like. It just kind of came easy, you know, it was. And it was fun. And I liked. I liked that you work together, you throw people in the air. Trust. It was great, like, bonding experience. But I went to cheer camp. This girl, she fell directly on my head. I went to go catch her, she fell on my head. My hurt. I heard my nose crunch. I fell to the ground. I blacked out for a second. I remember coming to and the coach was asking me, what's the date? What's the date? And I said something like it was something off the wall, like pizza. And they're like, she's not okay. So I had a concussion. And. Because, like, I don't know, looking back, this was very questionable, but there was no, like, doctor on. On site or anything, so I don't think I should have, like, went to bed or anything, but I sure did. Went on like normal. That was when I like, knew I broke my nose. I knew it was broken. Never got it fixed until a year ago. A year ago I got my nose fixed finally and for the first time in my life since 9th grade, I can breathe out of my nose. It's been incredible. At G3LLW T E A S Dale Gill. What do you do when you're not filming videos? That's a great question. Thank you for asking. I read. I read a lot. Oh my gosh, it's so annoying. I'm always reading. I hate it, but I love it. Like, I love reading. I love learning. I've been taking art classes. Yeah, I've been taking art classes again. This is like a sketching class. I've never really been good with pencils at all and sketching. So I thought I would give this a try and do a sketching. We're doing figure drawing. We're doing portraits. We just started doing figure drawing. And it's been fun and it's been nice to do something like that. I'm not getting graded on. You know what I mean? Like, there's no pressure to like do well. I'm just doing it for me. And that is nice. I haven't done something like that in a minute. I was taking sewing classes for a little bit. That was fun. But the classes were always like midday on a Wednesday. And it's like, yeah, I'm available at 1pm on a Wednesday. Like, okay now. So that was kind of irritating because I would love to like continue doing that. That was fun. But other than that, yeah, I'm reading right now. I'm reading this ridiculous book that I would not recommend. It's just like, it's about aliens. It was recommended to me and I'm questioning why this person recommended it to me. But it's just like wild conspiracy theories. I like to read books that I'm. I just, I. How do I word this? It's like I don't agree with what they're saying, but I just like to learn like other people's. What they have to say doesn't mean I agree with it or anything. So, yeah, I don't want to mention it just because, like, I feel like if you're in a vulnerable spot, it could easily suck you into some kind of weird dark conspiracy hole and then you'll end up in a cult. And I can't do that to you. So it's a off the wall book. In summary, my takeaway with this Current book I'm reading is that aliens are dolphins. That's the highlight so far I've gotten so it's different. Yeah, so that's what I'm doing. I'm reading a lot. I'm watching true crime documentaries, I'm taking my art classes, talking on the phone with my boyfriend, hanging out, I don't know, being cute. So now let's move on to some fan theories, shall we? Okay. Scott Peterson, theories at D A I L E E N v e r a 8244 dylene vera. Okay, hear me out. This is my theory, but I'm not sure if there's more information out there. So remember that Lacey's grandparents inheritance went to her and her siblings once they turned 30. What if the siblings and Scott got together to make her disappear? Since the inheritance was going to be split in even parts, they wanted to have more for themselves. And since Scott wanted to be single again and was struggling financially, they told him they would give him some money if he also helped. Also, if she was walking her dog and her dog was found without any injuries, that means that the person that took her knew her because if not, the dog would have attacked a stranger. They also made sure that Connor wouldn't be born because if he was born, the part of the inheritance that belonged to Lacy would have been for him. Okay, I see what you're saying. So in your comment, you kept. You said heritage. I'm thinking. I'm assuming you meant inheritance. Okay, okay, maybe. Maybe. I guess my only hesitation with that is like when you get a life insurance policy or whatever and like you go mo missing. Well, her body was found usually, like you won't get your life insurance or inheritance for like seven years or something. Like there's a time limit. So I feel like they wouldn't get that quick result. But her body was found. I mean, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. It's a. It's a theory. It's a theory. Did they get money? I'm curious now. Do they actually get money? I don't remember. Okay, okay. Still, Scott Pearson at Rachel Am. Ron 24:30. A woman also came forward and said she was very pregnant at the time and had a close encounter with what she thought were two men trying to kidnap her. And something about that vehicle being seen in Lacy's neighborhood that day. The satanic cult theory sounds far off, but how much the media didn't want to focus on that tells me there may be something to it. So I've heard about this and I went on, I was googling. I still every once in a while check in because I heard about this as well, that at the same time there was believed to be like a killer in the area who was targeting pregnant women at the time. But it wasn't mentioned at all during her, her case, whatever. Because I don't know. Well, I think because you know, the police, they need to like make a. The case needs to be closed. But it was interesting that there were like rumors about another killer in the same area going after pregnant women. And it was like was that ever looked into and taken a little bit more seriously? I believe there was like a woman who came forward later on who said she was like attacked in the same area as Lacey Peterson and she was pregnant at the time, she was able to escape. But her, they dismissed it. It was completely like dismissed that they, they wrote the guy off as just like nah, he was just like crazy or whatever. But it was like what if, what, what if? I don't know. The truth is like the police might have looked into it. We just will never know really, you know, or maybe they didn't, they just wanted to put it on Scott. I don't know. I think, yeah, I don't know what I think but trust me, in the back of my head sometimes I do think like maybe there was someone on the loose, who knows. But then again you look at Scott and his actions and it's like he had like all the motive, right? Another woman. He was lying. He was living a friggin double life. Acting dumb, acting very suspicious. At the same time it's like how could it not be him? I think actually going back to that earlier question, that was a hard case to cover too because it's like I wanted to believe like he's guilty, but at the same time he didn't really get a fair trial. Nevermind. Just go watch that video because I don't want people coming after me because I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But yes, I think maybe there could have been someone else working in the area and who knows, I think he's up for like the resentencing or something soon, isn't he? Or a retrial. I think there's something going on. I gotta follow up. We'll see. Look, if you've ever wanted to start a small business, you know how intimidating it can be. You're constantly questioning yourself like what microphone do I buy? Do I need an llc? What is an llc? Well, thankfully, I found a platform to help me make a lot of those decisions. I'm talking about Shopify. 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Go to shopify.com makeup shopify.com makeup okay, now let's go to Zodiac theories at Ferns Vlog 1968 said, My theory is that it was a small group of guys, a small psychotic friend group that nobody ever connected to each other that committed the crimes. One of them could have had his mom lick the envelopes if they were licked. There are those envelope wetter roll thingies. I don't know the names. When did those come out? Sorry. A small group of guys. I mean, okay, that's valid. That's a theory. I guess my only hesitation with small group of guys is that, like, you know, the. The killing at the lake where the killer in a costume. The costume. And it was kind of like it was one guy. Right. So do you think they were taking turns? I need some clarification here. Like, do you think they were working to, like, what was the goal? I guess just. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you're allowed to have that theory though, for sure. I kind of think it was one guy. I don't know what I believe. You know, after doing that story, it was just like, man, there are so many different theories as to what, like, some people believe that the Zodiac isn't even just one guy. It was just kind of like copycats and like, shit. That could be true too, because some people said he was a redhead. And the main suspect, Arthur. What was his name? Arthur. He wasn't a redhead. So some. I don't know. It could be a small group of friends, but you know what? Okay, here's the thing. If it was a small group of friends. People talk. People talk. No one can keep a secret. Okay? No one can keep a secret. Someone would have said something by now. There's no way a small group of friends would be able to keep it a secret by now. They would have told one person. You know what I'm saying? But maybe. But maybe. But I don't know. Ifanyj8512 I think Arthur was definitely a weird and deranged man. But ultimately, I think he was just obsessed and offended fan or wannabe copycat of the Zodiac, or possibly knew or was friends with the Zodiac. I, too, thought for the longest time that he was legit the Zodiac, because how could he not be with all the damning, albeit circumstantial, evidence? Right. I was convinced, however, he didn't match the police sketch in the face. The fingerprints didn't match, and ultimately the DNA didn't match much. So that is what made me change my mind. But I honestly believe he either knew who Zodiac was or he was just, like, an obsessed fanboy of Zodiac, because the amount of circumstantial evidence was astonishing. And that much cannot be coincidental, in my opinion. I hear you. I know. I was kind of thinking that, too. Like, maybe he kind of liked the attention he was getting because people were thinking he was the Zodiac Killer and, like, wanting to interview him and stuff. And, like, maybe he kind of liked that in a way. And, yeah, I mean, to your point, the DNA and stuff didn't match, fingerprints didn't match. Yeah, I know, but then, to play devil's advocate, I mean, he could have been using. There were rumors that, like, he was putting glue on his finger, on his fingertips, so he wouldn't leave fingerprints behind. He could have had someone else, like, licking the envelopes for him. I don't know. The. I know. I don't know. I want to believe it's him, but then you go down the whole rabbit hole with other. Hearing other people's theories and what they think, and you're like, maybe it's not him. Did you watch, though, that Netflix, this is a Zodiac speaking. That's what it was titled. It was, like, three episodes. When I watched that, I was like, it's freaking Arthur. It has to be. But to your point, they've never, like, linked anything to him. Oh, my God. I know. I hate. I know. Who is it? And you're right. He didn't match, like, the sketches. I don't know. I don't know, that one definitely kept me up. Like, what? What? Who is it? Well then, I mean, okay, that's great, but then who do you think it was? Tiffany J8512. Who is the Zodiac? Then who is it? Do you think it was one person? I would like to see that one get solved. So we have some theories from the Tamla Horse Ford episode. Do you remember? Very suspicious story, very shady people. Lots of comments in that episode with lots of good theories. We have one from Kylie Moe. If she fell down the stairs, there's no reason to move her and say she fell off the deck. They could have just said she accidentally fell down the stairs. I think they pranked her by spiking her tequila with pills. And they dragged her to the deck and threw her off to make it seem like that's what killed her. If they were hanging out underneath when she died, roughly dragging her up the stairs by her wrist could explain the injuries. If they were hanging out underneath when she died, roughly dragging her up the stairs by her. Why would they be dragging her back up the stairs, though? I mean, it's a theory. You're allowed to have mere theories. I guess I just wouldn't understand. Like what? Okay, because remember, there was like that lady who had all the Xanax or whatever. People who love their Xanax, love their Xanax and they don't waste it, from my understanding. So I feel like someone wouldn't waste one of their pills as a prank. But I could be wrong, you know? So I feel like pranking her and like spiking her drink. I don't know. I mean, maybe. But then why? I don't understand what you're saying about why would they throw her off in the first place, I guess to your point, like, why would they. Why wouldn't they just say, like, she fell down the stairs, it was an accident? True. I think because again, that lady was giving everyone pills. I don't know. That whole story is just fucking weird. And that poor woman, it was just like, no answers. Bizarre. Cassie Marie2234 said. Does anyone else find it super sus that she took a screenshot of her notifications, but not of the actual app with all the info on it? And even more sus that the police didn't clock that as suspicious. Sorry, I'm just processing. Yeah, you're right. Now, there were a few comments mentioning the screenshots of the security system, of the door system. Remember, there were some screenshots taken and then the police ended up using Those screenshots to kind of build, like, a timeline as to what they thought happened. Why didn't the police go into the actual app itself of the security system to get the full security, like, open doors, opening and shutting, closed timeline versus just the screenshot of the notifications? Because she could have hit some of the notifications. I mean, she thinks she could have hit some, but then what? Which. What? Why? I don't know. That story made my brain hurt. Right? Because, like, none of it makes sense. None of it makes sense. None of it makes sense. Sorry, I'm just thinking. I think the police were just too. They just, like, accepted it as an accident, and, like, that's why they didn't think it was, like, suspicious. And the guy had ties with the police. The whole thing was just, I think, mishandled. I think we all can actually agree. Yeah, I don't know. Making my brain hurt. Ow. Yeah, okay, I see. Yeah, there are a lot of comments about, like, the security system and how the police accepted, like, the screenshot of the door notifications and not, like, the app itself, because you can delete specific and singular notifications. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, like, too late now. Everything's been fucking erased. And same with, like, her camera, of course, wasn't working that night. Like, the homeowners and the camera wasn't working. Of course it wasn't working. The whole thing was just fucking weird. So sad. It's like she just wanted to go for, like, hang out with some friends, have a girl's night, whatever, and she ended up dead. And, like, in the. It was the most bizarre way. No answers. Okay, one more from Tamla. The Tamla episode. This is From Danielle william-u9x. I love the stairs theory, but why wouldn't they just leave her body at the bottom of the staircase? I believe she caught Jose and the Xanax chick creeping with each other. Oh. They maybe thought she was sleeping after being drugged so they could have a little session with one another while she's asleep. But she was on the balcony smoking. I think she was pushed to be silent. Listen to the interview. The Xanny chick said Jean was cheating on Jose. She said it just so matter of fact, like she was trying to make Jean look bad. Oh, maybe I never. I didn't think about that. Maybe she did hear something or see something that she shouldn't have. Maybe. I don't know. Ugh. I don't know. But you saw that Xanax lady, that Xanax chick like you think he would be cheating on with her? She was loopy as fuck. I don't know. But then again, men's behavior is always very questionable, isn't it? That's a. That's a good theory. Maybe. But why wouldn't they just leave her body at the bottom of the staircase? I know. Why did they move her? That's the question. I don't know. But she was moved. Like, we know that she was moved. But why was she moved? I don't know. I don't know. Okay, that's a good one. That's a good theory. Okay, next, we have some theories from the Casey Anthony episode. You remember Casey Anthony? Do you see her? Her appearance on TikTok? She got shamed right off that platform. TephCollins 7 to 8 said a lot of people think that Lee, Casey's brother, is actually the father of Kaylee. What? Also, the family found this out. And so Casey either let her drown in the backyard pool or someone drowned her, or a horrible accident happened and she drowned. And they didn't want anyone to find out how twisted their family actually was, so they just got rid of the poor baby. I'm sorry, but what grandparent waits a whole month without flipping out about their grandkid and kid's whereabouts? Unless you have a dad as an ex cop and a mom and brother family unit that has obviously many problems and a lot to cover up processing. Okay, you're allowed to have that theory. Okay, but. Okay, listen, listen. But then in court, why would Casey Anthony say that her dad was the one, like, being abusive and whatnot and not just mention her brother? Because remember, in court, like, she was like. Started making these wild accusations about her dad. So why wouldn't she, at that point, instead of throwing your dad under the bus, why wouldn't you just throw your brother? If that's true? That's just my thought. That's just my thought. I don't know. But obviously that family was fucked up. I mean, yeah, you're right. Like, if your grandkid is missing for a whole month, how are you? Like, like, how does that. I don't know. I don't know. But then again, they didn't know because Casey didn't tell them. And they weren't really checking in with Casey. She was living on her own. Right. So they obviously weren't very close or they probably would have known. Or maybe Casey wasn't she lying and that saying that her daughter was around. So how are the grandparents supposed to know until they know, you know what I'm saying? But then also because I've heard about. A lot of people think, like, that she did drown in the pool in the backyard, but then why did the trunk of her car smell like a dead body? And why was it, like, abandoned and stuff? Why wouldn't they just report it as an accidental drowning? Why would they go to such great lengths to. To cover all this up? Why wouldn't they just say she accidentally drowned in the pool? You know what I'm saying? Like, wouldn't that be an easier. An easier lie? I don't know. I think Casey Anthony killed her. She really did get away, didn't she? I think her parents, or her mom, specifically, was covering Casey's butt because it was all she had left. She lost her grandchild. Now she was gonna lose her daughter. They were getting, you know, dragged through the mud, the whole family. I think she just wanted it all to stop. She's in just freaking denial that her own kid could be such a demon. Referring to, like, Casey. I don't know. I just think it was really sad that she threw her dad under the bus and her dad, like, tried to kill himself and something like that whole thing was just sad. That's. That one. That woman also from the Casey Anthony episode at Dorothea Lynette. I think that they did look in the bag and they saw their granddaughter, and that's what messed up Casey's dad so much. And in a panic and to protect their daughter, the mom helped dispose of the little girl. And that's why they found the blanket from the room with the body in the woods. That's something someone who loves a child would include with them in their final resting place. Ooh. That's kind of dark, huh? But, yeah. Hmm. You think the mom would be involved? I mean, maybe. Yeah. I think the. Casey's dad, he was heavily affected by this whole thing that it just seemed. I believe that the mom. I don't know what her deal was. Again, a denial, something. You really think maybe she was involved? She would. She wrapped her in the. Really h. I mean, maybe because she was just trying to, like, protect her daughter, prevent her. But again, why would they. This is dark. But why would they dump the body in the woods where eventually it could be found? Again, this is dark. Wouldn't you, like, bury them on your property? Because it's your property and, like, no one's gonna find it? Maybe. I don't. Well, no, because if they report the daughter missing and the police come searching the house they're gonna see like some. Something was just dug up or whatever. Okay, Bailey. Maybe. I don't know. I guess I never personally thought, like, the mom was involved, but maybe, huh? Is the mom still alive? She was in such deep denial. It was insane. I didn't Casey Anthony's mom and dad, though, get a divorce? I hope they did. Because poor Casey Anthony's father, he seemed like he was really going through it. And let's say the cuz, like Casey Anthony, she had those abuse allegations. Like, let's say those were false, which I think they were. That poor man. I felt very bad for him. He knew something. He was carrying something heavy. I wonder if they. If the Casey Anthony family. I wonder if they even talk about it or if they just pretend it never happened. I wonder if they just, you know, old school families like that who just like, never talk about it ever again. I wonder they just pretend it never happened. Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. Okay, so we have some theories from the Jaleayah Davis episode. That whole story was very suspicious. It was ruled an accident. Her friends were all acting weird. Her body was found, like, pretty far from her vehicle. Vehicle had, like, blood splatter, blood spatter on the hood or whatever. Her clothes were found nearby. It was just a bizarre, bizarre case, and still to this day, fucking bizarre czar. So we have fan theory here from Georgie Nichols, Nichols 3200. My theory is that Jaleayah was the passenger and she was being driven by someone else who was also under the influence. The driver was therefore driving recklessly and speeding before crashing into the divider. It was then the driver's head that hit the windshield, but Jaleayah flew out of the passenger side window. Mm, I'm following. Yep. In a panic, the driver got out and tried to help her, but realized that she was obviously gone. In a state of shock, the driver began picking up her clothes and hanging it on the railing. However, the driver soon realized they would be arrested for manslaughter because they were driving while intoxicated and caused Jaleayah's death. Therefore, they sped off in her car and dumped the car after getting clear of the accident before fleeing on foot or having a friend pick them up. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I could see that. Yeah. Sorry. Connecting the dots. Fall. I'm following. Yeah, probably. Probably someone else was driving. They did hit the railing. I could see she flies out of the car. They're feeling. They're probably panicking, drunk, whatever. Like you said, get out. Try to help, but, like, just in a panic, start Putting her clothes on the railing. Yeah, I mean, that totally makes sense. I guess my only thing. Thing is, like, I. I just feel like at the end of the day, people freaking talk. And by now somebody would have said something. But also, maybe not really. But. Yeah, I mean, I could see that she was the passenger. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm following. I think that's a good theory. That's a good theory. But then who was driving? Who was driving? Another one from the Jaleayah episode. Lulu Killer. Kitty95 5. I think someone was driving her car, and she was in the backseat feeling sick from drinking. She maybe asked them to pull over so she could throw up. And she went in front of the car so she could see. Right. Okay. I think she removed her clothes as she didn't want to throw up on them. And whoever was driving hit her. That would explain the blood on the roof and trunk. And then drove down the road to flee the car. She likely hit the guardrail after falling off the back of the car. Ah. Oh. Not a bad theory. Did they find vomit nearby the scene? I don't think they did, but then again, did. Do we. Did do we trust that they even freaking looked, you know? But I could see that, right? You would get in front of the car to barf, maybe, huh? Yeah, you're right. Because, like, if there was blood on the front and the back, she would have to get hit. And then, like. Yeah, you guys, I don't know. That is. That could be something. But would you take off your clothes to not. I mean, shit, when you're drunk. Yeah, maybe because she didn't want to, like, vomit on them. Not a bad theory. But then didn't. Didn't, like, they have to hit her at, like, a kind of a good speed. Need for her to be able to get hit by the car. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. All right. I mean, that's not a bad one. Maybe, Maybe. I think maybe. Maybe, maybe. It's all coming back to me. That was a really weird one. I think that's the only explanation is that someone had to hit her. I think someone else was driving or. I don't remember if I said it in the video. Like, she might have, like, tried to pull over and put her car into park or something, but she didn't really put her car into park, and she gets out to go vomit or something, let's say. But then who. Who put her clothes in the area? So the whole thing, man. Let's do one more Fan theory for Jack the Ripper at KNP underscore 1992 what do you think about the theory that Jack the Ripper was actually Mary Percy? A woman who got away with it because she was a midwife and could walk around town with blood on her clothing and no one would question it. Okay, so what do I think about Jack the Ripper was actually Mary Percy? I mean, it's possible. I guess my hesitation there is like women killers are usually never that brutal, John sayin'. And you know how like brutally murdered these the victims were in its like this could be very sexist of me, but I just feel like a woman killer would be more clean, you know? You know what I'm saying? But I mean, it's possible. I don't know. So Mary, she actually killed her lover's wife and child and she was hanged for it. And that's kind of where that connection that some people believe she could be Jack the Ripper? I guess I don't see why not. I'm mean, anything goes when it comes to Jack the River. I kind of. I don't know what would be her motive. But what was Jack the Ripper's motive in the first place? I don't know. I mean, it's a theory. It's a theory. Another one. Faye At Fay though my mind keeps going to the theory that Jack the Ripper was a woman. A man would never make it more than 5 years without getting sloppy af. I know it's rare that violent killers are women, but it's not completely impossible. I mean, maybe. Maybe we would just been looking in the wrong place the whole time thinking it was a man, when really it was a woman. I did not blend the slip like I was hoping to. Maybe. Why not? But like, maybe. Do you really think a woman would kill like that though? Had to be one angry lady. That's what I hate about those older cases. It's like. Yeah, they just didn't have like the. The resources to solve it. Right. They like took pictures of the DNA evidence and it's like, damn, that sucks. If only they would have like kept something or like. I remember in the Jack the Ripper episode, it was like there was blood all over the sidewalk and some guy got a hose and was just like. And it's just like, what a bummer. There's some cases I wonder if we're ever really gonna know. Do we wanna know? Yeah, we do. We do. Well, you guys, thank you so much for hanging out with me today. Thank you for watching my murder mysteries, commenting, asking questions. I really, I mean, looking back, like I've done so many episodes of Murder Mystery makeup and to have like a minute to like sit and kind of just really think about the ep, like, God damn, I've been. I, I've done a lot. But I just want to say thank you. I appreciate you guys so much for just being here, subscribing, watching, commenting. I can't say thank you enough. And I really appreciate you for being here throughout the years and I hope you know that. Truly. All right, you guys, that is it. Have a good rest of your day. Make good choices and I'll be seeing you guys later. Goodbye.
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