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Remember Terri Schiavo?? What was that about? How a Private Battle became a Public WAR
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Bailey Sarian
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Bailey Sarian
Hi, friends. How are you today? My name is Bailey Sarian, and today is Monday, which means it's murder mystery and Makeup Monday, if you're new here. Hi, my name is Bailey Sarian, and on Mondays, I'm out of breath usually, but I like to sit down, talk about a true crime story that's been heavy on my.
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Noggin. And I do my makeup at the same time. I'm over my intro right now because we need to talk about Terri Schiavo. Look, my friend Courtney. Hey, Courtney. We've been friends since high school, and we go way back. Courtney texted me and she was like, I'm down this rabbit hole right now. And I was like, tell me more. Tell me more. And she was like, do you remember Terri Schiavo? I was like, what? Like, you know that what? Like, my brain almost broke. Cause it was like, oh, my God. Yeah, I remember the name. Haven't heard that name in forever. And between you and me, I think we're around the same age. And I know you remember hearing the name Terry Sho right now. Personally, I remember it. Couldn't tell you really much about it. I was a kid, you know, whatever. So I was like, well, if Courtney's down this rabbit hole, let me go. So I started, and it's been. I know I say this every time I do a murder mystery, but I go down my serious rabbit holes where it's like, hence why I don't really post on social media that much is because I'm busy. I am busy reading a lot. So Terri Schiavo's husband and her family, they each came out with their own Books about the story and like, from their perspective or whatever. So I was like, oh, let me read the books. Then it sent me down.
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So we are going to be talking about Terri Schiavo. It's not funny. It's just like, wow, girl, I know too much. I know too much. If you're not familiar, let me give you a little, a little brief rundown. So, 1990, okay? 26 year old Terri Scheinvo, she collapsed in her Florida home. 26, okay? Terri Minding her own business, right? She's in her 20s and boom, her heart stops. Police come, all that jazz. By the time, like, help arrives, the damage is already done. She's alive, but barely. And what starts as a family tragedy quickly spirals into one of the most controversial, heartbreaking.
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Most insane legal battles in America and the world, really, because everyone got involved. Everyone got involved. Now, Terry wasn't just sick, she was in a vegetative state, unable to move, speak, or even like, make decisions for herself. And that is where the nightmare began. Her husband, her parents, the courts, the media, the freaking pope.
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Bailey Sarian
Yeah, I was like, pope what? Everyone had an opinion on what should happen to Terry. Was she alive? Was she suffering? Was it time to let her go? It was heavy. Now, these questions really divided the country. It made headlines for years. And the more you. You get into this story, the more insane it really was. It really was. So let me just tell you everything I know about the Terri Schiavo story, okay? Thank you. Just let me go. Let me just, let me, let me vent. I know a lot. Trigger warning. There will be a mention of an eating disorder. So I just wanna give that little heads up. So Michael Schiavo and Terry Schindler were Both born in 1963 in Pennsylvania. Different families, kind of similar last names, but not really. Born in the same town, same age. Great. The two of them wouldn't meet until they got to College in like 1982. They went to Buck's Community College. I believe it's in Pennsylvania. But according to Michael's book, he said he was in class and he, like, heard Terry's laugh and he turned around and he saw her big, beautiful brown eyes and her even more beautiful smile. And he just wanted to get to know her. So it wouldn't take long for Michael to ask Terri out on a date. Terry, of course, wanted to, but she told him, okay, you have to meet my parents first, you know? So Michael's like, oh, yeah, okay, no problem. He meets the parents before their first date. He went over to Terry's home, he met her family. Michael remembered Terry's mom. Her name was Mary. She was very warm. She seemed outgoing and friendly. And then Terry's father, Michael described. Described him as gruff. I was like, can you expand on that? But he didn't. He just said it was. He was gruff. Well, Michael definitely passed the test. And he and Terry, they started dating. You know, like when you start dating, as people do, they start to get to know each other. And they were hanging out all the time. So while they got to know each other, you know, they would talk about their past growing up, school, family, xyz, you know. In Michael's book, he shared how Terri actually confided in him, sharing about her experience in high school. She told him that when she was in high school, she was like £250. She was insecure, she was bullied. She told Michael that she actually had never had a boyfriend before. So she's sharing all this with Michael, and Michael asks her, oh, like, how'd you lose all the weight? Because by the time they were dating, she had lost like £100. Around £100. So Michael was like, how'd you lose all that weight? You know? And she. She just told him, like, I was tired of people making fun of me. Especially according to Michael's book. This is what he said. She said she didn't like that her father and her brother were constantly harassing her about her weight. Terri said that the treatment from her brother and father was like, just awful. Awful. There was no safe space for her. She would go home, get made fun of, she would go to school, get made fun of. Just wasn't great, you know? And instead of the family trying to, like, support, Terri said that they would just make fun of her. She even told Michael about the offers she would get from her brother and dad where they would be like, hey, if you lose X amount of weight, I'll give you this much money. Like, they were offering her money to lose weight. So Terry had told Michael that, like, she always loved her father, but she didn't feel like she could talk to him very easily. He was described as being like that old school dad, you know, on TV or maybe in real life where they would come home from work, they'd plop on the recliner, call out things to, like, his wife, like, bring me my beer or whatever, you know, that's how Terry's dad was. And Terry's mom, Mary, she would serve him. She was constantly there to serve. Well, after their second date, Terry told, like, all her friends and stuff. That she knew she was going to marry him. And it didn't take long for Michael to propose. I think he proposed like five months later. And they were like, we're doing it, we're getting married. So they set the wedding date for November 10, 1984, and they started planning a somewhat big wedding. I think they had like 200 people at the wedding, but they were still in college at this time. They decided to drop out and get focused on work instead, like a full time job. So Michael started working at a local fast food restaurant as a manager. And then Terri, she actually started working for an insurance company. Michael said growing up his family wasn't very religious. Like they were considered Lutheran, but they weren't practicing, I guess, you know, Terry was raised Catholic and her family wanted them, the couple to get married in a Catholic church. According to Michael, he would say that Terri's family wasn't very religious. Based on what he saw. He would call them EC Catholics, meaning that they like only attended mass on Easter and Christmas. But he didn't mind like getting married in a Catholic church. He wanted to be with Terry, you know, just, he was like fine. Michael said leading up to the wedding he did notice that Terry was losing some weight, but he, he never saw her exercising. Now at this time, like he didn't really think to ask, he just kind of thought like, oh, this is what brides do when they get married, you know, they try and lose. Wow. He just didn't think about it. So 20 year old Terry and 21 year old Michael, they would go on to get married in November of 1984 in Southampton, Pennsylvania. It was said that there was like 200 guests. She looked gorgeous, he looked wonderful and it was just an all around good time. So after the marriage, the couple had lived in Pennsylvania for a little bit, but they really wanted change, they wanted some son, they just wanted something new. So they decided they were going to move to Florida. It seems random, but Terry's family had property in Florida and stuff so it made sense. So they decide that they're going to move to Florida and they tell Terry's family like we're thinking about it, we really want to move, whatever. So Terry's family offers their condo that they owned to Michael and Terry. And like a side note, Terry's family seemed well off. Terry's father owned some, some business. I didn't go too far into it. He owned some business, he sold it, was able to retire early. Like they seem to be, be doing pretty well. So the family offers the couple the Condo. Of course they're gonna take them up on this. So Michael and Tara, they end up moving to St. Petersburg for Florida. Michael was able to find a job in the restaurant industry pretty, pretty fast. And Terry was able to actually get a transfer for with the insurance company that she was still working for. Now, Terry's family, her mom, dad, and all that, they actually decided to also move down to Florida. They sold their company, and they decided, like, they were going to do, like, an early retirement near Terry and Michael. So, you know, like, they're being a couple, they're being cute, they're building their lives together, and now they're ready for that next chapter in their lives. They want to have a baby together. So Terri was. It was said that she was very excited about this, that she wanted to be a mother, and she was 100% yes to this idea. So the couple started to try jizzing jizz and jizz and jizz. You know, no luck, nothing. So Terri's, like, kind of getting a little frustrated, so she decides to go to her gynecologist, where they did blood work, pelvic exams, you know, all that fun stuff that they do. And when she got her results back, the doctor said, like, everything's normal. Michael said that Terri had expressed that something just. She felt like something wasn't right, something was off. So the two of them decided. After they got these results back, they decided, like, okay, how about, like, next week we find a new doctor and try and figure out what's going on with you? Right? And that was the plan. But before she could, everything came to an end. Ugh. I know. It's so. It's so tragic. She's so young. They're so young.
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So. February 25, 1990, around 5:30 in the morning, Michael said he was sleeping and he was woken up by a loud thud. Now he wakes up, he notices like Terry's not in bed. So he gets up and that's when he finds Terry. She's laying face down on the floor, kind of like her body's halfway in the bathroom, halfway out. She's not responding. And it appears that she had a stroke. Michael, he calls 911. When police got there, you know, they looked at the house, whatnot. They actually, they noted in their police report that no crime had been committed. There were no signs of a struggle or violence or anything like that. Right. So police had asked Michael, like, do you have any idea what happened? Anything? And Michael told police that the only thing he knew was that Terry was struggling with quote, unquote, lady problems and that she hadn't been feeling well. So he told the police that she had just visited her gynecologist. Everything came back normal. But they were gonna see someone next week. Cause she doesn't feel right, blah, blah, blah, you know, everything I just told you pretty much. And they're like, okay, well, Taryn gets taken to the hospital. Now when she arrived there, she was unresponsive. So she's unresponsive. So they run blood tests on her. It shows no drugs or alcohol in her system. Well, to be fair, if you wanna fact check me, there was like a sc. Small amount of alcohol, I believe, but it was nothing worthy of being noted. So they did a CAT scan, you know, on her brain to see what's going on. And when they got the results back, it showed that there was a midline shift of her brain. So I was like, what does that mean? Tell me more. So midline shift? Yes, is when your brain isn't sitting in the center like it's supposed to, usually because of pressure or swelling. So like in Terry's case, it was caused by the stroke. Now if the brain. If your brain shifts too much, it can press on certain areas of your brain, making it hard for that area to work properly. Because your brain controls everything, right? So like, like breathing, talking or moving, if the pressure is too intense, it will. It you. It won't work. So it showed that her brain, it has shifted. You know, Michael gets to the hospital and he's saying, as I could imagine, just everything a swirling, right? Just like, what the fuck is going on right now? Terry's mother and father, they came to the hospital as well, but everything was a blur, as you would imagine. So then a nurse came to the family and was like, hey, would you like a priest? I know. I was like, could you imagine one night you're saying like, good night, love you. And like, literally hours later, a priest is administering last rites to Terry. Now mind you, she was only 26 years old. Same with Michael. They're only 26. She's 26. Though it made no sense to the family, like at all. What the hell happened? So a couple of days later, a doctor actually meets with Michael and tells him that Terry, his wife, had suffered from a cardiac arrest. Caused by a potassium imbalance. Yes. Which led to brain damage due to lack of oxygen. So the doctor mentioned that they believed Terri was bulimic. When they were doing checks and all that, they noted that she had overdeveloped neck muscles and they believed it was caused from her throwing up. So they're explaining to Mike what bulimia is. Remember this is the early 90s, eating disorders and all that were not like in the conversation as much they were, but like they weren't, you know. So he explains to Michael what bulimia is. And essentially that with bulimia, the body can lose a lot of essential nutrients, especially like potassium, from vomiting, abusing water pills, or even like excessive laxative use. And potassium is really important. Not a doctor, I'll give you a little rundown here, but it keeps like your muscles, everything pumping, your heart working, everything flowing, right? So without it, it throws everything off. Like in Terry's case, they believe she had like a long term potassium imbalance, which most likely weakened her blood vessels, affected her heart rhythm, and then, which may have triggered a stroke. Then her brain didn't get enough oxygen, which led to brain cells dying, causing the permanent damage. Wild, huh? Now the potassium imbalance thing, it's rare. It's rare that this happens, but it can happen. Just wanna make that clear. So because of all this, this left Terry in a persistent vegetative state, or PVS for short. Essentially, Terri was alive, but with severe brain damage. She could breathe on her own, but she couldn't eat or drink or communicate or anything. So in order to survive, she needed a feeding tube. You know, Michael's by her side, like, every day at the hospital, like, hoping some kind of miracle is gonna happen, she's gonna come out of it. But for the time being, Michael was appointed Terry's legal guardian. And Terry's family didn't resist that idea at all. They fully supported it. He's the husband, you know, legal guardian. It made sense. So they were all on the same page, hoping for some kind of miracle recovery. And for the most part, though, Michael was by her side every single day. So the first few years, years after the incident, Michael worked really hard to get Terri the best care possible. So eight months after she had collapsed, he found out about this experimental treatment they were doing out in California at the University of California at San Francisco. What a name. University of California at San Francisco. So he finds out about this experimental treatment that they. They're doing over there. And it seems kind of promising. It's not like some cockadoody, like, weird whatever. It seemed pretty credible. She ends up qualifying for this treatment. They fly out there, they do the treatment, which is essentially they perform a surgery and they implant. Well, they put an implant in her brain which would give off targeted electrical stimulation. Now, this was all, like, with the goal of restoring her awareness or her responsiveness. So Michael had said that he had offered to fly Terri out to California to be close to her daughter and just be supportive and there, whatever. But she had declined. She was like, no, I'm okay. Like, I have too much stuff to take care of. I have to take care of my husband and whatever. Like, I'm busy. She said, no. And it was like, okay, girl. I. After the implant and months of hoping for positive results with this implant, nothing happened, which must have been devastating after this, like, a lot of money had been spent because he had to fly out there. He had to take care of Terry by himself. He couldn't work. He was her main caretaker, right? So he's like, did this. I think they were out there for like, six months to a year in California, and then that failed. So now he's like, okay, well, let's fly back to Florida to be closer to the family and, like, look for other treatments. So Michael and Terry went back to Florida, where she would stay at a rehabilitation center. And she would receive at this place, like, 24 hour care. So she was there For a bit. But Michael was always on the lookout for better treatment options. Different treatment options, Some. Something better for her. So Michael would have her move to another facility, like, a few months later where they had better, like, neurological testing. And Terry would receive, like, regular and aggressive speech therapy. And what's the other therapy, like, where they move you? You get it. That therapy, too, they were known for, like, it. For being good at this. Okay, so Michael's like, let's move her there while she's there. At this point, it's been, like, two years, I think. So time is going by, and Terry is not making, like, any progress. And also.
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Funds. I mean, it's expensive, right? In 1992, Michael ends up suing one of Terry's doctors for medical malpractice. And I was like, what? But remember when Terry in the beginning went to the gynecologist? Yeah. Well, Michael sued that doctor because he said that that doctor should have asked more questions to find out about Terri's health, because at this point, he had found out Terri hadn't had her period in a long time. Now he knew, like, she had an eating disorder. He felt like the doctor should have asked better questions to find out what was really going on with her. And whether you agree with that or not, it doesn't matter, because he ended up winning. And he won about a million dollars. So Michael said that he put $750,000. He put that in a trust fund that was meant for Terry's medical care. Point blank, period. And nobody else. Nothing else. It was only for Terry's care. And you're like, wow, that's beautiful. Like, that's exactly how it should be. You know, I was waiting for. I personally, when I was reading this, I was waiting for Michael to do something shady. You know, he took the money and bought a Ferrari or something. He didn't. He put it in this trust fund. And I was like, wow, Bravo. The bare minimum. But like, wow, that's really nice. But you know how it is when money comes into the picture. What happens? You think people are nice? No. Things get ugly. So Michael, mind you, Michael's the one who's, like, decided to do all this. He didn't get any help from Terry's family. He's the one freaking doing it all. And when he was awarded all that money, Terry's family, they felt like they deserved part of the settlement. I mean, it was their daughter. Michael refused, saying that the money was only going towards Terry's care. You do not get any of it. Like, it's Only for Terry. But her family believed that Michael wanted it for himself. And tensions were building. And this is when all the drama starts. Seriously, it was like at this moment, after he won this lawsuit, this is when everything, all this hit the fan. So the family tried numerous times to legally get Michael removed as Terry's guardian. Why? Well, they couldn't think of any good reasons, so they just kind of like were throwing shit out there to see what stuck, you know. So initially they were like, oh, Michael's not the right fit. He's not taking care of her like he should be, you know. And they actually went to the courts to file this petition to have him removed. But the courts ended up dismissing the suit, saying that Michael was treating Terri correctly as her legal guardian, financially, her mentally, and just like her overall well being. They're like, sorry, no. Between 1992 and 1998, Michael bathed her, he fed her, he advocated for the best care for her. He was by her side every day, like he was not giving up on his wife. But Michael said as time was going on, it was becoming clear that Terry was not coming back. Doctors had confirmed with Michael that Terry had no meaningful brain activity. Like, they weren't talking about a coma where she might wake up. They were telling him that she had irreversible brain damage. And even, like, if a miracle did happen and she came back, she was not going to be the same. So in 1998, after years of therapy and treatment with no improvement, Michael said he made the painful decision to have Terry's feeding tube removed. It had been eight years. So he tells. I don't think he told Terry's family. I think the courts came back. I can't remember how they found out. But word got back to Terry's family that Michael was thinking about doing this and Terry's family was not having it. They refused to believe that Terry was in a vegetative state. They clung on to every small movement, every twitch. They were convinced it was 100% Terry responding. Terry's family had like they were fighting him at every turn. This wasn't a family disagreement. This was turning into now full blown war over Terry's body.
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There's so many layers to this story. And like, Terry's family was constantly taking Michael into court, trying to have him removed as the guardian. And at this, like, when he made this decision and the judge just kept denying. So I was thinking, well, why didn't they, the family, just like, take Terri then? My biggest struggle with this story is like, there's so much to it. I was really trying to make it easy to understand, but I'm realizing that it's so hard. It's so hard because at some point Terry's family did try to take control of like, helping Terry. When she first got sick, Terry and Michael had moved in with Terry's family and they had the bed in there and they were going to take care of Terry at home. But according to Michael, like in his book, the family just did not, like, help whatsoever. Everything fell on him and they showed no interest in helping with the daily responsibilities of Terry's and it was frustrating to him. So at some point, and this is where I got like, I couldn't figure out the timeline because according to the family, it was different from Michael's. But at some point that's when Michael was like, okay, I gotta take over and look out for Terri because her family just is not interested in her care. So they did try, but they showed no interest. So Michael was like, well, if her own family's not going to look out for her and take care of her, then I'm gonna be the one who's going to do it. And that's why he stepped up. And he was like, I'm gonna just be the main guy, whatever. And Terry's family didn't fight him on that. They're like, sure, you could be her guardian. Because later on when everything starts coming out, they're like, just give us Terry. Just give us Terry. And the reason, from my understanding, Michael didn't is because of that situation. He saw that they were not interested in Terry, in Terry's care, and. And it was like, dude, you guys aren't gonna take care of her. Yeah, because I know at home you're thinking, well, why didn't he just like, let the family have Terri for that reason alone? They were not interested. They were not interested. So at some point Terri's family was like, give us, give us Terri, let us take care of her. The courts are like, fine, like, you can have Terri. But they never presented a formal plan of care for Terri or demonstrated that they had the resources and ability to handle her 24 hour needs. So they had an opportunity to present to the courts that they could take care of Terri on their own. But they never followed through. So that's why Michael was like, why are they running mad at me? Like, you guys aren't even stepping up. I was reading these books like, what the, what the? So now, after all these years, Michael's like, okay, I think it's time that we remove her feeding tube. It was a little irritating to him that all of a sudden now the family wants to step in and they care so much about Terri now for Michael. At this point, Terri's funds were dwindling away because of the constant battles over Terri's care. I mean, constant battles. The family was constantly taking Michael to court saying that he was unfit. And every time the court would send out, like, you know, I don't. I forget the job title where they would go out and, like, investigate to make sure that someone is doing what they're supposed to and taking care of this person. And every time the court came back saying, like, he's doing everything right. They even scanned through his financial report to make sure he wasn't doing anything shady with the financials. And they Couldn't find anything. But the family would not give up. Now, mind you, during all of this, this is 98, Michael. This guy is unstoppable. He was working as a nursing assistant while attending St. Petersburg Junior College while also being Terry's main caretaker. She was in a facility, so she had nurses and people, like, helping her 24 hours. But, like, when he wasn't working, he wasn't at school. He would be by Terry's side. And when I was reading this in his book, in his book, I'm like, bro, how the hell. How the hell were you doing that? I don't know. Now, according to Michael, that's when he met another woman. This is where I was like, ugh, not a good look. Okay. Because he meets a woman. Her name's Jody. He said for the first time in a really long time, he found someone that he could talk to about what was really going on. Like, seriously, with Terry's care about, like, the family, the lawsuits, his future goals, school, you know, everything. So him and Jody just are growing really close. She's really understanding and supportive of him, and he didn't have anyone in his life like that at this time. So, yeah, they hit it off. They liked each other, and they would start dating. I read. When I was reading this in this book, I was like, oh, maybe you should have waited. But okay. I'm like, I'm not judging, but okay. Okay. Terry's family finds out that Michael's dating another woman. Yep. When they found this out, they were like, oh, so see, he's being shady. He wants Terry's money. We have to do something about it. So Terry's family, they made new allegations about Michael neglecting Terry's care. I cannot emphasize this enough. By this point, the family had taken Michael to court, like, 10 times, you know, and they kept losing. So from the year 2000 to 2005, the legal battles over Terry's life played. Played out all over the media. You could not avoid it at this time. Now, the reason the media had gotten involved is because Michael was going to remove the feeding tube. So Terry's family started talking to the media, to the public, and just really putting it out there, what was going on. So that's why the media really got involved. Family sues, whatever. It's trying to stop the Michael from removing the feeding tube. And then in the year 2000, a Florida judge actually rules in Michael's favor, saying that Terry's feeding tube could be removed. The court had heard testimony from multiple witnesses, including family members and medical Experts, the court had found clear and convincing evidence that she would not have wanted to be kept alive on life support without hope of recovery. So the judge rules in Michael's favorite. But the family filed a petition to have this stopped. So literally, it goes back and forth, back and forth. Judge says, okay, Michael, you can have the feeding tube removed. And then it gets put on hold because the family would file a motion, a petition, a loss, whatever, to stop that from happening. And this would continue for years. So once the media got a hold of this, it was everywhere. And this is when religious groups and right to life activists started to jump in. They were angry. They were calling it murder. Certain activists saw Terry's case as a rallying point for promoting specific religious and political beliefs, like putting heavy pressure on politicians and judges to keep Terry alive. Specifically, you know, their fight was that every life should be protected. People would literally be outside of Michael's house picketing with signs calling him a murderer. The pictures are wild. There's even, like, kids, little kids, like, who have to be like, six or seven, and they're holding a sign that says, you are a murderer or something. And it's like, oh, my God, leave the kid out of it. I don't know. It was a lot. They'd be outside of his house every day calling him a murderer. He explained how he would get death threats every single day. His attorney. I watched this interview with his attorney. His attorney was like, oh, every day I would check under my car because people were constantly threatening to put a bomb, like, under my car, threatening to kill me. It was just wild. It's so funny that the people who are like, you're a murderer.
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And then they put, like, a car bomb or something, they threaten you with murder. It's just kind of silly, isn't it? Anyways, so people are starting to get really aggressive, and they're getting loud. Carrie still has her feeding tube in, and it's 2003. So with all this heavy pressure and media attention, Jeb Bush enters the picture. Do you know who Jeb Bush is? Well, he was Florida's governor at the time. He shows up. So he pushed for something called Terry's law, which gave him the authority to reinsert Terry's feeding tube. Yeah, Jeb Bush, who has nothing to do with this family at all, it gave him authority to put Terry's feeding tube back in. Kind of weird, right? I. I don't know. But in 2004, because the law moves slowly. So it's now 2004, the Supreme Court, they struck down Terry's law, calling it unconstitutional. So the battle continued. Terry's case really became a lightning rod for ethical, moral and political debates. It was everywhere. And I mean, even the Pope got involved. Yeah, like I said in the beginning, the Pope, Pope John Paul ii, gave a little statement, not even a statement. He put out like this whole like release speaking out against removing Terry's feeding tube. The Pope so Pope, don't remove her feeding tube. Jeb Bush don't remove her feeding tube. All the activists and stuff, don't remove her feeding tube. There's tons and tons of people showing up outside of Michael's place, outside of Terry's, where Terry's staying. They're all there, media, everyone. Okay. It's wild. In 2005, the case escalated even further, this time to the federal government. So Congress passed a bill that let a federal court review Terry's case. And President George W. Bush made this whole performance out of it. He flew back from his vacation to sign Terry's law into law, declaring that the government should err on the side of life. But in the end, again, the federal court ruled against keeping Terry on life support. It was unconstitutional. But again, because of all this back and forth legalities of everything, it just really allowed everybody else to win, to have Terry's feeding tube reinserted. And Michael really had no power in the media. He was painted as just the devil. This devil man who wanted to just get rid of her and move on with his life. He was really sad, to be honest.
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So they remove your fee. In June they put it back in. They remove it. They put it back in. They remove it. It's just like a lot but in March 2005, federal judges upheld the Florida court's decisions and allowed removal of the feeding tube to stand this time for good. Now to you and I because we're sitting here and I'm telling you in this like short video, but remember this was years and years and years. It had been five years since he made the decision to remove her feeding tube, and it turned into a whole. A whole show. The whole world was involved. Mind you, during this whole time, Michael was still by Terry's side. Yes, he was dating another woman. No, I don't think that was a good look. But he was. But he was still Terry's main caretaker, and he was still, like, showing up every day taking care of her. Terry's feeding tube was ultimately removed for the last time on March 18, 18th, 2005. In the days that followed, Michael, his attorneys, friends, and some hospice staff, they took turns staying in Terry's room around the clock to make sure she was comfortable, she was okay just being there with her. Terry's parents, they also visited for a short time, but they kept their distance from Michael. Michael and Terry's parents, they were not talking at all, at all. When Terry's parents left Terry's bedside, they would go right to the media and give updates about how Terry was, what was going on, and how awful Michael was, and just repeatedly insisting to the media that Terry was trying to convey that she wanted to live. Now, according to Michael, Terry never reacted to anyone in the room throughout the years or any loud voices because she remained unconscious and had no awareness. He was like, I don't know what they're talking about, but okay. You know, the one thing I will say is that Terry's parents were constantly talking to the media and all that stuff. Michael kept to himself. He rarely talked to the public, the media. He just stood by Terry's side. It's like everybody hated him, and. And he just did the right thing. And I know. And I. For some reason, it was just like, I kept looking for something. Where did he fuck up? Where'd he fuck? You know? Nothing. He was there. So outside the hospice where Terry was at, you know, There was over 600 people outside, including pro life activists, religious groups. There were children there who were on spring break. Some people, like, literally would just show up. They would pray, leave some flowers, whatever. You know, be quiet about it, respectful. Others were just loud, marching, chanting slogans demanding Terry's feeding tube be put back in. National and even international media were at the hospice, and they also were outside of Michael's home, like, on the sidewalk, too. So they're everywhere. Television cameras broadcast nightly stories about the dispute between Michael and Terry's parents. Michael described it as an awful, surreal experience. He said that not only was he dealing with the grief of losing his wife, but also the relentless public spectacle that turned Terry's final days into, like, a national Political storm. Okay. And then could you imagine on top of that, like, leaving your house, getting called a murderer, and all these awful names? Poor guy. So police and security, they were all around the hospice, and at one point, they had to put the place on lockdown because protesters had jumped the barriers. What are they gonna do? Like, come on, behave. What are you doing? Michael had stayed by Terry's side until the very, very end. On March 31, 2005, after 15 years in a vegetative state. 15 years. Terri Schiavo passed away at the age of 41. Now, here's the part I wanted to know. I was like, everyone wants to know. Was she alive? Did she know what was going on? You know, like, was she sending signs? We all just want to know. They did an autopsy after she died, which later confirmed that she had profound, irreversible brain damage. Her brain was literally half the size of a normal brain. And on top of that, she was blind. She couldn't see. She wasn't looking at you. Sorry. She was. But, like, she was blind. In the report, there was no signs of trauma, and the medical examiner concluded that she had no chance of recovery. When I saw the autopsy report that, like, oh, she's. She was actually blind, I was like, oh, my God. Because the family was like, yeah, she's communicating with us through her eyes. Like, she's looking right at us. We can tell like, she's looking.
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She was blind. So according to the autopsy, Terry could not have spoken, seen, or interacted with her environment, nor could she have experienced pain. Overall, the medical examiner's findings, it had validated that Terri was in a permanent vegetative state and would not improve. Terry's parents continued fighting Michael even after her death. Yes. I mean, did we think it was going to get better? No. They really did not want to have Terry cremated, but Michael went ahead and had her cremated. It was kind of like one of those things where it was like Terry's family was telling the media, we don't want her cremated. And it was like, okay, but are you telling Michael this? Couldn't figure that out. It's so whatever. So Michael had her cremated, and they each fam. Michael and Terry's family, they each had their own memorials for Terry. They couldn't even come together for her in the end. Like, it's just sad. Many of Terry's relatives and friends, they found themselves in a situation where it was like they had to pick a side, you know, just awful. Michael had held, like, a private gathering with close friends, and it was really small, intimate. And then they had placed Terry's ashes at a family plot in Pennsylvania. Meanwhile, Terry's parents organized their own gatherings, plural gatherings and prayer services in Florida. And, you know, they invited supporters from the pro life community who had rallied around Terry's case. And anyone who had rallied around them that was welcome to come. Michael. Later on, he ended up remarrying. He and his partner Jody. Remember Jody, the one he met for a while a while back. They had been together at this point for many, many years. They had gotten married in 2006, and then they went on later on to, like, start a family. Honestly, he has lived a very private life. When he has given an interview, he's voiced his support of medical privacy. In the end, it was a decision that he had to make in his personal life. And for some reason, he couldn't understand why the whole world got involved. You know, he would explain in these interviews, like, that shouldn't happen to anyone, right? Like, no one else should have a say in choices that you have to make in your personal life. Was like, what he was getting at. He's always repeated that Terry would not have wanted this to be her life. And he stood by that. Now, as for Terry's parents, Bob and Mary, plus Terry had siblings, which, again, I had to really condense this as much as I could. We can go on a whole nother talk about them. But Terry had two siblings, a brother and a sister. The sister, her name is Suzanne. You can't really find out much about her. She's a little. I don't know anyways. But her family, Bob, Mary, Bobby and Suzanne, they together had founded the Terri Schiavo Life and Hope Network. So from their website, the Terri Schiavo Life and Hope Network upholds human dignity through service to the medically vulnerable. On their website, they say that they express this mission through public advocacy of essential qualities of human dignity. I know. I was like, what does that mean? It's a lot of word. I don't know, word vomit. I don't know, it just feels like word salad. I was like, what does that mean? They offer, like, protection against.
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Euthanasia as a form of medicine. They access to rehabilitative care. They have like a 247 crisis lifeline for to help families who are servicing or helping at risk patients. It's a foundation. Terry's family said that they believe Terry was sent to them as a quote, unquote message about protecting human life in all circumstances. Okay, so that's like the Honestly tldr that's the tldr. But there's so much more. From a purely legal standpoint, the conclusion was that Terry's guardian and husband, Michael Schiavo had a valid right to follow what the courts accepted as Terry's end of life wishes based on clear and convincing evidence under Florida law. From a human and societal perspective, the controversy really just continued. Everything aside, this might sound a really, like a really silly takeaway, but this story highlighted the importance of having some form of a living will. And slash. Or what is known as a. An advanced directive. I know it feels silly. Feels like a silly takeaway. Or maybe like, well, she should have had a will.
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No, no, no, shush. I mean, it's the truth. There was a widely reported surge in a number of people creating or updating a living will after the story hit media with Terry's case, it just really served as a high profile example of what can happen if there are no end of life plans in place. Not saying that at 20 years old, your first thought is like, oh, I should get a will. Let me, you know, like, no. But knowing what we know now, you know, like, it's a good idea. Write it down. While Terri's Life ended in 2005, the legacy of her case lives on in debates over government intervention, medical ethics, and how best to honor patients wishes when they are no longer able to speak for themselves. That's technically the end, but there's a lot more. I mean, this story was something. Again. I read Michael's book and I read Terry's family's book. I wanted to understand both sides and both of them are very different. Very different. In Michael's book. The one thing I really liked about his book was that he brought the frickin receipts. In his book he listed the doctor's reports, the autopsies, the legal. Like he was. He brought it to the table and was like, I tried my best, okay? You all painted me as the devil. Because the media 100% called Michael the devil, an evil murderer for years. And everybody thought that was the truth at the time. Here are some things. Here are some. Here are some Bailey takeaways, some Bailey endnotes. So people were calling Michael the devil, bad guy, villain, everything you could imagine. Okay? It was sad. Terry's family, no receipts, just opinions. Like he sucked. It was really kind of like cringy. I was like, oh my God, you guys are making yourself look real bad. My takeaway after all this, because I wanted to hate Michael in the beginning. I did, because I remember from a young age, like Michael Was the bad. The husband was the bad guy is what I remembered. So when I was doing this story, I was like, looking. I'm like, is he being shady with money? Is he having multiple affairs, whatever? And it was like, nothing. The only thing that was kind of was controversial was him dating that Jodie girl. But do you blame him? It had been, what, 10 years or something at that point since he had a wife? Well, you know, companionship. But I felt like Michael really did the right thing. He did everything he could to take care of his wife. And I think a lot of people forgot or kept forgetting how young he was. He stepped up to the plate. They were both, what, 26 when this happened? What were you doing at 26? You were a little shit. I know you were. Could you imagine having this life event happen to you and you having to step up to the plate at such a young age? You just got married and you're just trying to do right to your partner, the person who has expressed to you over and over again that they don't really like their parents, and you saw firsthand that the parents aren't involved. Like, I felt like Michael was constantly looking out for Terri, and that's how you would want it to be, right? Honestly, I was like, Michael is a dream partner. He tried everything he could to, like, find the right treatment for Terri, and he did so for a really, really long time. Most people. Let's be real here. Most people would probably peace out after what? I don't know. I don't know the timeframe, but, you know, most people would peace out pretty quickly. I feel like. Like, for me, for example, if this were me, if you were my partner, I'm giving you a year, and then I'm pulling the plug. Sorry, baby. I love you. I love you. But you get one year max. Okay? I've never met someone who was like, hey, if I'm ever, like, in a vegetative state or on a ventilator, keep me alive. Have you met someone like that? Oh, you have? Okay, good for you. I haven't. Plus, this is America, okay? Do you know how expensive it is to keep your ass hooked up? Well, bye. Watch Tombstone iconic line. Well, bye. Well.
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Bye. That'd be me. I mean, that makes me sound like heart heartless. But if that were my partner, and I wouldn't want them to spend the rest. I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't want. I don't fucking know. It's so funny. It's like yesterday I was thinking this whole story through and I was like, dude, it's so clear, so easy. I'm just gonna come in and be like.
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And now I'm all tongue tied and having a hard time trying to, like, think of the right words to say, because I don't want to upset people, because I think a lot of people got involved with the Terri Schiavo case, at least from my understanding. From Michael's perspective. He said people were really rallying to keep Terry alive because, like, the protesters that were coming forward had family members who maybe were in the same situation, and they were saying, so what? You want me to get rid of my. My loved one? Like, they were making it about them. And in all the interviews I watched, there's only, like, two of Michael. He was like, I respect people's beliefs, thoughts, whatever they want to believe. He's like, I respect that, and you have the right to choose, right? He's like, but why are you forcing that on me? He just seemed genuinely confused. And I was like, yeah. I mean, he had to make a really tough decision in his personal life with someone that he really loved. And I think based off the receipts, it's clear he tried really hard to try every option available to find Terry, help get her in a better place. He tried, and he just knew Terry wouldn't want to live like this. I was reading Michael's book. It was. Honestly, it was very touching. I did get a little misty eyed. I won't lie, because.
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I'm getting a little misty. He was just, like, he cared about his life. Hold on. Don't cry, Bailey. That's embarrassing. A lot of people die here, and this is the one you're going to cry over, I guess, because it's rare in this. In murder mystery history where it's like the husband actually or a partner actually stood up and, like, did the right thing. And I really think he did. I do. If you're interested to know more, I mean, I would say read his book again. He brought all the receipts. Not just, like, opinions, but the way he cared for Terry was really special. Like, for instance, I didn't know where to put this in the story. He knew that Terry really cared about her appearance. So when she was in the hospital and stuff, Michael learned how to do her hair and makeup because he said he just wanted her to feel like herself in this situation. I saw pictures of her in the hospital, and he learned how to glam. He learned how to glam. He was glamming her up, gloss and all. I was like, oh, my God. And it was sad. Because the media took that, and they were like, look at him. He's trying to, like, make her this hot little thing for his own selfish reason. Cause he doesn't. Like. They spend it on him. And at first you want to think that, but then you read his side of the story, and you're like, oh, my God. He was just trying to make her feel like herself. And he really tried to learn how to make her feel good in the situation she was in. And I was like, that is really special. That was really special. I just kind of felt like my takeaway here was like, if I were ever in this situation. I think Michael was a really good example of how you would hope your partner would be. He stepped up. He tried to find any kind of treatment he could. He tried for years. And when he realized it wasn't like a year later, it was, what, almost 10 years later, when he realized nothing was going to work, he made the tough decision to end his partner's life. Whether you agree or disagree with his decision, I think the. The takeaway here is that it doesn't really matter. What matters is nobody should have a say on. On your own personal choice in your life, right? Wait, no, because people are gonna be like, well, what if. Blah, blah. I mean, in this case specifically, it wasn't like, this was a couple months later. He was like, pull a fucking tube. In an interview, Michael said that he could understand why people were passionate and really cared about the story and stuff. And he went on to say, like, you know, they're allowed to have their own beliefs, but at the end of the day, it had nothing to do with him or his wife. And he wasn't telling anyone what to do with their loved ones. He was making a decision for himself and his wife and what would be best. Nobody else. Nobody else, period. And I think that's the way it should be. Right? I will say this one thing. I think we all can agree on. Something I agree on with Terry's family and something I actually didn't know until I started doing this story was that when your feeding tube gets removed or something, you don't die instantly. They take out your feeding tube, and then they let you die naturally, which I think is awful. We have the kind courtesy to inject murderers on death row with something that will kill them in, what, five seconds or whatever. We have the courtesy to put an animal out of pain. I'm not saying, like, shoot them, but, like, you know, you take them to the vent and they put them down. How come in this case, we don't have that same courtesy. Like, that was the part I couldn't understand. I didn't know they take out your feeding tube and then it takes about 10 days for you to die. And you're just suffering for those 10 days until you die. That I can agree with Terry's family on. I don't think that should be allowed, right? I don't know. I just thought that was actually kind of shocking. I was like, oh, yeah, that would be really awful to watch. Really awful. Because I thought it was like, oh, you're out, you're done. That's it. You die, like, five minutes later. Oh, 10 days of just suffering. During this time, you know, Michael had, like, removed the feeding tube. It got put back in. He had it removed. And like, this happened numerous times while it was going through the courts. And what would happen was that Terry's family, when they would come to visit, they got caught trying to, like, feed Terry, trying to give her something. There was one specific occasion, and again, I just kind of figured out where to put this in the story, because all of it is such a mess. But there was one specific incident where Terry's family came to visit her, like, towards the end of the situation. And when they left, their nurses came in and saw that she, Terry, had fresh, like, puncture wounds on her arm. Like they had injected her with something. So this sent, like, everybody on. On, like, red alert, because what the fuck, right? So they were doing all these tests. They were trying to figure out did they inject her with something or were they just trying to give her fluids or whatever. So then Michael had to get the family, like, blocked to not see her, because they kept trying to give her fluids and all this stuff to keep her alive, which, at the same time, I understand their perspective. If that's your kid, I'm sure you don't want to see them suffering and you're going to want to help them. I understand that. But Michael had to stop it, okay? So he got a court order so the family couldn't see Terry anymore. And then, of course, they went to the media and they were like, michael won't let us see her. Without acknowledging that perhaps they were maybe doing something not so great themselves. Like, it was so messy between the family. And I think the saddest part of all of it was, like, poor fucking Terry. In my personal opinion, I would bet 99.9% that she would have not wanted to be in that situation. And it's sad that she got paraded around like she did something about Terri was that she cared a lot about how she looked. That's at least how it was described over and over again. And it's like for a woman who cared so much about how she looked, the images that they were putting out there all over the media, could you imagine if she knew that they were doing that? Right? Like, that's just shallow, me being shallow. But could you imagine that's how the whole world sees you? Not when you're doing well and, like, living a happy life. I don't think it's a controversial story. I just think, like, if you have to make this tough decision, I don't think anyone else should be involved in it. Of course, if a family member or someone thinks that you're doing something shady and wrong, I hope they would go to the courts and, like, fight you on this. But for the most part, and like Michael's story, I don't. I feel like everyone did him real dirty. Everyone did him really dirty. He's pretty private now, and I don't blame him. He's still to this day called a murderer. People after the fact have tried to make allegations that Michael was abusive, that he was responsible for her initial collapse. There was no proof or evidence, but this is something that is on the interwebs. So that is a story of Terri Schiavo. If you have time and you're, like, wanting something, like, new to read, you should read Michael's book. Really interesting. Really sad, but it's just interesting. You could also read Terry's. Her family's book, and I think you would get an under. Better understanding as to, like, why they just.
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Do they care about Terry? I don't know. I don't know. I hope I did the story justice in the end. Talk to your partner about end of life wishes. I know no one wants to talk about that. Write it down. If you can write a living will thing, have someone record it on their phone. Okay? That way if anything happens, you got the proof. The best way to do it, though, is to legally, like, get a will or whatever the fuck. And nobody wants to think about these things, But Terry is like a awful example of what can go wrong. And it wasn't even about her. It was like the family wanting money. And it was. It wasn't even about her in the end of it. Geez, you know, poor Terry. Poor Terry. I hope this story made sense. You know, sometimes I struggle because, like, when I know a lot, it's like I have. I want to say a lot, but it just can't come out. It doesn't come out. Everything's jumbled. And I feel like that's how it was right now. But I hope this was good. It's complicated. It's, it's, it's. It was something. It was something. What did we learn? A lot. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with me today. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. You make your choices, but other than that, I'll be seeing you guys later. Bye.
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