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The BDSM Texts That Exposed a Killer: The Elaine O’Hara Case (Podcast Exclusive)
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Hi, friends. How are you today? I hope you're having a wonderful day so far. My name is Bailey Sarian, and I like to welcome you to my podcast, Murder Mystery and Makeup. Now, you might follow me over on YouTube where you. You can actually watch these episodes, but today we have an audio exclusive. That's right, you're only gonna hear it here, so don't forget to subscribe for these little exclusives. I do, but now let's get into today's story. Listen. It's August 2013 in County Wicklow, Ireland. The water levels at Vartree Reservoir had dropped way low. And a couple of fishermen wandering across the bridge started noticing things in the shallows that weren't normally visible. Now, first they figured it was just junk, you know, random debris. But when they pulled it out. No, not junk. What they found was a collection of restraints, handcuffs, leg irons, a gag, a blindfold, and even a knife. I mean, imagine you're out by the water, expecting maybe to find like, an old boot or some trash, you know, and instead you're holding shackles and a knife. These aren't the kind of things that just happen to end up in a lake. These are tools of control, tools of violence. And to investigators, they weren't just creepy odds and ends. They were the very first clue in unraveling the tragic disappearance of a woman named Elaine o' Hara and exposing the dark double life of the man who murdered her. Listen. Today's episode contains discussions of mental health struggles, suicide, sexual violence, and murder. So listener discretion is advised. Elaine O' Hara was 36 years old, living in Killiney, Dublin, a coastal suburb known for its beaches and rolling green hills. From the outside, you know, Elaine's life seemed pretty normal. She worked as a child care assistant, picked up shifts at a newsagent, and was even taking night classes, hoping to move into Montessori teaching. But listen, behind the scenes, Elaine definitely had her struggles since she was a teenager. Elaine was seriously bullied. Bad, okay? And this sent her into a deep spiral of depression and isolation. When she was 16 years old, Elaine started to self harm. And. And that same year, she was admitted to St. Edmundsbury Hospital for the first time. This hospital was a mental health facility that provided her a range of treatment programs. And over the span of the following 20 years, Elaine was admitted to this facility a total of 14 times. That's once every year and a half. And for much of this time, she was seeing a psychiatrist named Dr. Anthony Clare. Now, Dr. Claire was kind of. He was kind of popular. He Was kind of famous a little bit. He was a well known psychiatrist who even had his own like BBC radio show called in the Psychiatrist Chair. Under Dr. Claire's care, Elaine was diagnosed with depression and borderline personality disorder. Borderline personality disorder, or bpd, is a. This is a simple version, okay. But it is a condition where someone often feels overwhelming emotions, struggles with fears of abandonment, and can have unstable relationships, even while deeply wanting love and connection. With all this in mind, it made sense that according to Dr. Clare, Elaine just wanted to be loved, but also really struggled with her, like, sense of self. Elaine's sister Ann would describe her as very naive and that she would trust people very easily and that she never really matured like the rest of her siblings. Sadly, Elaine's mental health went from bad to worse when her mother passed away in March of 2002. After her passing, this was a major setback for Elaine. She really struggled and she started self harming again. Years went by, and in 2006, Elaine's mental health hit a dangerous low. She took an overdose of pills and slipped into a coma that lasted for 24 hours before she was revived. It was one of the several moments in her life where her pain felt overwhelming. And it showed just how much she was struggling beneath the surface. And then, just as you know, she's holding things together. Tragedy struck again. In 2007, her longtime doctor, professor Anthony Clare, someone she saw as a mentor and even like a parental figure, he passed away. For Elaine, it felt like the people she depended on the most were leaving her, were disappearing, were gone. It was hard. So time is going on. A year later, she turned to the Internet to find, like a sense of community. Now this led her to certain websites where she was able to explore her interests in bdsm. I know I was like, what? Kind of felt like it came out of nowhere. Now, BDSM is a form of sexual expression that stands for bondage and discipline, dominance and submission and sadism and masochism. Listen. At its core, it's about role play and power dynamics. But it's important to note that in healthy BDSM communities, safety and mutual consent are taken very seriously. For Elaine, these spaces offered an escape, a place where she could act on fantasies of restraint and submission. It was said that Elaine's fantasies started when she was young, around 12 years old. But it was only in 2008, at the age of 32, that she officially started seeking out BDSM encounters online. And this is a side note, but we know all this because later on, they found Elaine's. She had like diaries and journals and she would write about these types of things. That's why we know, like, it started young for her, around 12, because she mentioned it. Over the years, she made profiles on websites like alt.com and fetlife.com where she went by the usernames of Chained Brunette and at one point, help me learn 36F. But unfortunately, her accounts also made her visible to predators who saw her not as a person, but as an opportunity. 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But I guess it all became too much because In August of 2012, Elaine contacted St. Edmundsbury, the mental health facility that she was frequently admitted to. She contacts them and she tells them that she was really depressed and she wanted to take her life. So because of this, she was admitted one last time. After she was released, Elaine's psychiatrist said that she was in cheerful form, spontaneous, smiling, alert, and even seemed happy. Elaine had plans to be a volunteer at the Tall ships festival on August 22nd and the 23rd. This was a big deal to her. This festival is massive, old school, like sailing ships from all over the world. They sail into different ports and basically, you know, throw big parties. Thousands of people show up. There's food, music, awards, like it's a whole thing. And in 2012 at this time, Dublin was the final stop of this race. So it was exciting. And Elaine was volunteering to work the festival. So she had told her father and his father's partner about it and everyone knew like she was excited about, about going. Now the part that's unclear is that if Elaine actually volunteered at the festival that day. But what we do know is that later in the day, Elaine went with her dad to Shangana cemetery to visit her mother's grave. So after that they went home. Elaine went to her apartment, her father went to his place. And then that evening, Elaine's neighbor saw her leaving her apartment around 5:05pm A jogger later remembered crossing paths with her near the cemetery. So she is assumed to be back at the cemetery again. This jogger said that Elaine had come up to him and asked if there was a bridge nearby. The jogger gave her directions, watched her like walk in that direction, and thought it was a little odd that she didn't say anything back. Like she didn't say thank you so much, okay. But you know, she just seemed distant, almost like she was somewhere else entirely, according to the jogger. And then Elaine vanished. So when she didn't show up to volunteer at the Tall Ships Festival the next morning, something she had been really excited about, her father's partner, her name was Sheila, she grew very concerned. So she's calling Elaine's phone. Elaine's not answering. She goes by her apartment. There's no signs of Elaine at her apartment. Her car's not there. And then later on, Elaine's car was found parked at the cemetery. So her family went to the police to report her missing. But given her long history with depression and self harm, the assumption was almost immediate. Elaine must have taken her own life by jumping from the nearby cliffs that were by the cemetery. There's like signs and everything by the cemetery, warning people about these cliffs. So they assumed she must have gone to the cemetery. She was really upset about her mom's death. And then she probably just jumped. And that was really it. For over a year, like that, that was the story. There was no body, There was no evidence. There was no signs of foul play. To investigators and to everyone, it just seemed like a tragic ending for a woman who had, like, fought her mental health demons for a long time. But the truth, the truth was far darker. And it wouldn't come out until by sheer luck, a year later, when strangers stumbled upon something in the water. For over a year, Elaine Oharas disappearance was a cold case. Her family grieved. Police quietly assumed suicide. And life just moved on. But then everything changed. Literally almost exactly a year later, on August 21, 2013, a woman, she was a dog trainer, she was out walking her dogs in a private area at Killiki Mountain. This area is, like, very beautiful. It's scenic, but it's isolated. It's an isolated area of the Dublin mountains. Now, this woman, she had permission to be in this area, you know what I'm saying? I only bring that up because I was reading that in Ireland, if it's private land, they are very strict about private land. And, like, you can't just go wandering on there. It's a whole thing. But she had permission to be there. So this woman, the dog trainer, she's out, she's walking her dogs, you know, and then one of her dogs, like, takes off running and like, darted to a certain area and just would not come back. So the woman, she goes and, like, to see what's going on, she saw her dog pawing at something in the dirt. When she looked closer, she was like, oh, it looks like bones. Now, at first, the woman, she brushed it off. She assumed that these bones belonged to an animal which was pretty common for, like, this area. About a month later, the lady, the dog trainer, she's again walking her dogs on that same trail. And one of her dogs takes off again, and she's like, struggling to get the dog to come back. She heard her dog scratching at something in the underbrush, refusing to come when called. So she's curious, you know, the woman. So she pushed through the dense trail to see, like, what is going on. And that's when she froze. Scattered on the ground were bones again. But this time she saw the bottom of a tracksuit still clinging to what looked like a shoe. Her dog came, like, out carrying two large bones in its mouth. And that's when, like, the dread hit. These weren't animal bones, okay? The woman's like, oh, my God, these might be human. So she's obviously, like, you know, spooked, shaken, right? So she calls the landowner, and she's like, you need to come out here. I think something's going on. So the landowner comes out, and together they found what looked like a jawbone. So they immediately contact police, and when police come out to the area for, like, the final time, they found something else. There was a knife driven into the ground nearby as if deliberately left behind. Soon after, dental records revealed the jawbone belonged to Elaine o'. Hara. Now, listen, in an instant, the story flipped. Elaine hadn't jumped from the cliffs. She hadn't simply vanished into the night. Now she had been murdered, and the hunt for her killer was just beginning. Okay, so listen, the other day, I was looking in my bank account, and once again, I looked at something. A subscription. I'm paying for that I, I, I've used once, and it wasn't like a cheap subscription. It's like 25.99. And I was like, how long have I been paying this? So I kind of scrolled back. I've been paying for it for quite some time. And I was like, how do I even cancel it? So, like, go to the app, try and figure out how to cancel it. And they, like, hide how to cancel it shouldn't be that hard. 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But because, like, the water levels had dropped so low, things that were, you know, hidden under the water were now visible. So the fishermen, they're out there, and they. They see something, so they're kind of, like, trying to fish it out, whatever it is. They fished out what looked like scraps of clothing and, like, shiny bits of metal. But when they pulled the items onto the bridge, it wasn't random debris. It was a stash of BDSM gear. Handcuffs, leg restraints, a gag, a blindfold. There was a knife. It was like, what? Now, at first, the men thought about just kind of leaving these items there. They're just like, maybe someone just wanted to get rid of it or something. You know, not a big deal. But one of the fishermen just had a really, like, bad gut feeling about it all, so he bagged it all up, and he brought it to the police. When detectives went back to the scene, they ended up finding more. This is when they discover a set of keys, more bondage equipment, an inhaler, and other items. So on the keys, there was, like, a loyalty card for a store called Dunn's Store. Okay. It's a retail. It's a retail place. Okay. So investigators, they look into, like, whose loyalty card this is, and it led them directly back to Elaine o'. Hara. So once police realized that Elaine was considered a missing person, this was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, right. So they send out the underwater unit to go out and conduct more searches of the area. And when they did this, they found a pair of glasses, sunglasses, a rucksack, and two Nokia cell phones. So the prescription from the glasses matched Elaine, and they were able to confirm the owner of, like, one of the SIM cards from the phones also belonged To Elaine. Now, listen. Even though these phones were underwater for over a year, forensic teams were able to recover 3000s of text messages. You remember those Nokia cell phones? They were bricks. You could not destroy those things. Listen. So they were able to pull, like, thousands and thousands of text messages. And what they saw was insane. There were tons of text messages that were sadistic, violent, and they revealed, like, the terrifying hold that someone had over Elaine. There were texts that said, like, quote, if you ever want to die, promise me I can do it. And then Elaine replied, yes, I promise, sir. Another message read, it's your fault. I want to kill, and you won't let me stab you. It was like, what is going on? It was through these phones that investigators piece the puzzle together. The messages, the movements tracked by cell tower data, and the photos later found on the devices connected a man named Graham Dwyer to the case. So, on paper, Graham Dwyer looked like the kind of man who had it all. He was a successful architect. He was well respected in his field. He was married with two children, and he was living in, like, this wealthy suburb of Fox Rock just outside of Dublin. His house had even been featured in the Irish Times for a restoration project that he and his wife had done. Now, to neighbors and to co workers, Graham was, like, just another asshole corporate guy trying to, like, climb the social ladder. I say asshole because coworkers said that, like, he had quite the temper and was difficult to work with. So, you know the asshole corporate guy, Honestly, if you look up a picture of Graham, he is that very forgettable man. You know what I'm saying? He's like, where's the suit? Clean cut. Like, you would never even think this. This guy had a secret life, because Graham, he really did have a secret life that nobody knew about. Listen, he was a man consumed by violent sexual fantasies. Now, long before Elaine, he had confessed to a former partner that he had fantasized about stabbing a woman during sex. It was said with this partner, he even brought knives into the bedroom. And, like, when they were getting it on, he would, like, press the knives against her. And it was deeply uncomfortable. This partner was, like, so disturbed that she. She never spoke to him again. So, like, Elaine, Graham was into BDSM. He was also active on websites like Alt.com and FetLife.com where he went by usernames Architect72, which is like, okay, and fetish boy. I feel like Architect 72 is kind of giving yourself away there, boy, but this is what he went by. Listen, Graham, he was married, though his wife, Gemma, she had no idea that Graham was into anything like this, let alone fetishes like stabbing and watching people bleed. She was apparently completely unaware of the double life Graham lived on these websites. Then in 2008, while Graham was still married, he started engaging with Elaine. Now, the messages between them say a lot. Graham Dwyer wasn't just, like, indulging in role play. 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I mean, there were a ton of text messages recovered from their master slave phones. But, you know, it was like, if you ever want to die, promise me I can do it. It's your fault. I want to kill and you won't let me stab you. And there was one that from Graham that said, I want to Stick my knife into you. In another text from 2011. So their relationship was on and off for years. There was another text where Graham texted Elaine that he had been watching the news about a stabbing victim. And he wrote that he would have loved to have, like, stabbed a woman and that he could imagine the knife going in and out, saying that the suspect was, quote, a lucky guy, end quote. Then, on August 22, 2012, Elaine received an ominous text from Graham. It told her to, quote, go down to the shore and wait, end quote. This was the last day Elaine was seen alive. Five days before Elaine's death, Graham texted her that he had scouted the Dublin mountains. He told her there were plenty of lonely walkers there. He also said he just needed to find a route back with no cameras and that he was very excited. Then a few days later, Graham wrote the following to Elaine, saying, quote, we go into the woods, I take off your clothes, stab you, bury you, and leave your clothes in the car near the sea, end quote, adding that he'd make it look like she drowned. Throughout the text, police were able to gather evidence linking Graham as their main suspect, but what they really needed was his DNA. So on September 27, over a year after Elaine went missing, police went to Graham's home in the early morning and saw that he put his garbage out. So they went through his bins and found, you know, some stuff they could get his DNA off of. After running the DNA, they found it was a match with a sample found on Elaine's couch from her apartment. So they got that. So then investigators, you know, they start, like, diving into the fetish websites. They end up finding Graham's email addresses, and they find his profiles and whatnot. And they discover at least nine videos of him having sex with bound and gagged women. And they were, like, aggressive. On top of that, they found a video of Graham cutting Elaine o' Hara and suffocating her with a plastic bag. As part of their sex play. He, Graham, or someone literally uploaded the videos to the websites. It was like, okay, all right. Oh, dear. Police also use something called metadata from the Nokia phones to figure out, you know, who owned them. Now, I'm sure you are familiar with metadata, but it's basically the phone's digital footprint. It doesn't just say what was sent, but when it was sent and where the phone was when it happened. And when investigators pulled that information, the movements of those burner phones lined up perfectly with Graham's own whereabouts. Police dug even deeper and uncovered CCTV footage of a man who looked like Graham leaving Elaine's apartment carrying a rucksack, you know, a bag, you know. Yeah, you get it. Okay. And it was that same rucksack that would later turn up in the reservoir with the rest of the evidence. Did I mention they found that in the, in the reservoir? Well, they found a rucksack in the reservoir with all of the other stuff, the glasses, the keys, the inhaler and all that stuff. The one thing about the CCTV footage, though, you couldn't see Graham's face. Like, he was very self aware that there were cameras around. And also when he was touching, like, the, the doors and whatnot, he was covering his hands so fingerprints wouldn't be left behind. And the only reason that police, you know, thought it was Graham is because it matched his height, his weight and all that stuff. But it, the rucksack was the same one that was found in the reservoir. So after all of this, police believed, okay, they had enough evidence to find finally arrest Graham Dwi. On the morning of October 17th, police moved in and arrested Graham Dwi at his home in Fox Rock. So over the next 24 hours, he was questioned five different times. And oddly enough, he refused the chance to even, like, rest or sleep. It wasn't until the fourth interview that Graham finally cracked, admitting for the first time that he and Elaine had been sexually involved. After this, like, the very next day, he was officially charged with her murder. So he was sent to prison and denied bail with the court ruling he posed a danger to other women. Now, Graham was saying he was innocent, not guilty. And to be fair, they didn't have like, quote, unquote, solid evidence on him. They had like, okay, his rucksack matched the one that they found. They had the text messages, but they didn't have, like, his DNA, like, on her body or anything like that. You know what I'm saying? So he was like, no, we were just, we were just role playing. Like, I didn't kill her. He was denying, denying, denying, and that was his major defense. So fast forward a couple months. It's January 2015, and Graham Dwyer was standing trial in what would become a landmark case. Listen, it was landmark because this would be Ireland's first major conviction to heavily rely on large scale phone metadata. This had not been done before. Like, that was mainly a lot of their evidence was like, the stuff on the phone. Over six weeks, the jury listened to nearly 200 witnesses, combed through thousands of text messages, and heard all of Graham's dark fantasies that were found on his personal computer. Like, he had very Detailed dark stories that he wrote saved on his computer. Like, you know, going into great detail about rape and stabbing people and stuff. And it's like, are these low key confessions or is he just like writing for fun, you know? And then he also had photoshopped images saved of women who appear to be dead from stab wounds on his computer. There was a lot his defense, they tried to argue that Elaine had consented. What happened between them was role play. It was part of the BDSM world that she had willingly entered. The defense tried to cast Elaine's death not as murder, but potentially a suicide, pointing to her lifelong mental health struggles, and focused on the fact that there was no solid forensic proof of homicide. Just fantasy role play. So listen, Graham's wife, she ended up taking the stand. And I was like, ooh, what she have to say? She was obviously deeply disturbed by her husband's secret life. She testified about their relationship, how they renovated cottages together, they made model airplanes together. They shared like, certain family routines and everything was just normal to her. Like they were this kind of power couple. And when she was cross examined, she stood by the fact that she had no clue, like, what was really going on. And then during the trial, a letter from Graham to his wife was read aloud. So he wrote her while he was in jail, okay. And in the letter, he told her to not believe the police, that they had no evidence on him except his name and phone number from that, quote, awful girl's diary, end quote. He acknowledged that he knew Elaine, but that he was, quote, helping her, end quote. It was like, helping her how? But other than that, he said in the letter that he was being framed. He asked his wife to deny anything authorities were saying and to help protect him. What an asshole. The jury spent seven and a half hours deliberating before reaching a verdict. When everyone was called back into the courtroom, Graham was sure, like, he was positive he would be found innocent. He believed they had nothing on him. Again, it was all role play. There was nothing literally. He told people he was going to walk right out of the courtroom and be asked to appear on the Late Late Show, a nightly talk show. He's like, they're going to ask me to be on that show. I'm going to be a guest and everyone's going to know, like, I'm innocent. Some people also reported that Graham had planned a homecoming party after all of this. But things did not go as planned for Graham. On March 27, 2015, after seven and a half hours of deliberation, the jury returned with their Verdict guilty. Graham Dwyer was sentenced to life in prison. The judge even told the jury he agreed with their decision 110%. So the court had decided that Graham Dwyer killed Elaine o'. Hara. And here's what they believed happened. Elaine and Graham, you know, they met through their BDSM master slave roleplay websites, right? Well, on the day Elaine vanished, the prosecution said Graham lured her out to the Dublin mountains under the guise of the. Their quote, unquote play. But instead of role play, he actually carried out his dark fantasy for real. That's where he stabbed her to death. And, you know, the jury heard all the receipts, the hundreds of text messages, especially him telling her to, like, where to meet him. And they believed that Graham went and dropped all of those personal items, the bags of restraints, the knives, and all that stuff out into the reservoir, not thinking it was anyone was ever going to find it. What confirmed it for a lot of people were the text messages and the fact that he filmed kind of creepy little videos about it. During the reading of his text messages, there were tons and tons of messages about him, you know, stabbing her or mentioning stabbing during sex. And he was just obsessed with this idea. So that's what they believed happened. It's just crazy to me. Like, okay, in my mind, I'm like, this can't be the first time he's done something like this, because he really covered his tracks. Like, there were no fingerprints or anything found on the knife. His DNA wasn't found, like, on her remains. Like, it's creepy. In my mind, I'm like, this is not someone who's. This was their first. First time, in my personal opinion. You know what I'm saying? When the guilty verdict came out, you know, it finally gave Elaine's family some answers, but, you know, it didn't really bring them peace in court. And later, in interviews, the family spoke about Elaine as someone who was kind, fragile, and constantly searching for love. Her father once said that despite their rocky relationship, he may have been her only real friend, which is sad. Legally, this case shook Ireland. Graham Dwyer's conviction was actually groundbreaking because so much of it depended on the cell phone metadata, you know, mapping out his movements and tying him to those secret phones. And, of course, Graham being Graham, like, he wasn't going down without a fight. His lawyers, they jumped on it. They were arguing that all that phone data was collected illegally and that it violated his privacy rights. So now, like, for years, his appeals have forced Irish courts to go back and re examine their entire data retention law. Like, are we protecting Privacy or are we protecting killers? Even as recently as 2024, the Supreme Court was still debating his case and if it, if it was right or wrong. But luckily his appeal was dismissed. So Graham, he's serving his life sentence in Midlands Prison. And of course, you know what I was reading? I was reading after everything, he reportedly used to receive love letters, fan mail from female fans. I roll. Yeah. Nothing says dream guy like convicted murderer. Jeez. Ladies and gentlemen, let me remind you, you can do better than that. Raise the bar. Dream bigger. You don't need a convicted murderer. Okay, stop it. But anyways, I said he used to because I was reading another interview where he used to. Graham had mentioned that he no longer receives, like, fan mail from, from women. And it was like a huge hit to his ego. He was like, where's my fans? I don't get letters anymore. It's like, good, good. Anyhow, at the end of the day, the tragedy of Elaine o' Hara is that she was a woman who just wanted to be loved, understood and accepted, just searching for a connection. Instead, she crossed paths with someone who saw her vulnerability as a doorway to his own darkest desires. Graham Dwyer's case is a reminder that killers don't always look like villains. Sometimes they're the ones with stable jobs, a beautiful home, like family photos on the mantel, a clean haircut, suit wearing, you'd never think twice about them, type of person. And to me, those are the scariest types. In the end, investigators believed that Graham Dwyer probably recorded the killing of Elaine o'. Hara. Now, this hasn't been proven or anything like that. They never found anything. But what they did find, like on his personal, personal laptop and whatnot, they did find videos of him having sexual encounters with different women where he was stabbing and harming them. But again, it was in court, it was said like it was role play, but investigators were like, is it role play or is this actually someone like that he, he killed? And unfortunately, like, there's just no answers there. In my mind, I'm thinking this guy probably has like a storage locker or something where I would bet he probably has tapes of like him doing some. You know what I'm saying? In my opinion, I don't know, there's nothing to base that off of. It's just this guy was so clean with his attack, his murder of Elaine, that it's like there's no way in my mind that this was like a one time thing. There's just no way. But that's just a thought. There's no proof behind it. The good news, though, is that he will be locked away forever, and I hope he has a very awful time in prison. And, yeah, his wife, his family, they gave kind of, like, their statement after court. They were like, we. I had no involvement. We had no idea. Please respect our privacy. And, like, that was the. That was that. Haven't heard from them since. And good for them. But also, I was thinking, okay, this is just another side note, a personal thought. You know, as a person, when you're dating someone, you always have that gut feeling like something's. Something's off. Like, if he's up all night on the computer or something, you might have that feeling of, like, what's he doing? I wonder what he's up to. Something. I just wonder if she ever had those little moments. You know what I'm saying? Because I feel like we always do. I'm not saying she knew, but, like, I think maybe deep down there was something. Huh? Well, friends, that is the tragic spot story about Elaine o', Hara. Thank you so much for hanging out with me today. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Please be safe out there, especially with your sexual encounters. Make sure it's consensual, okay? And you make good choices, all right? And I will be talking to you guys later. Goodbye, Sa.