Sweet Death: The Murder of Harold Allen: Part Three: A Heist at Mom's House

Summary

Podcast Summary: Murder Sheet

Episode: Sweet Death: The Murder of Harold Allen: Part Three – A Heist at Mom's House
Date: April 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

In the third installment of Murder Sheet’s “Sweet Death” miniseries, hosts Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee delve into the disturbing aftermath of Harold Allen’s murder in Jackson County, Indiana. This episode zeroes in on the dysfunctional relationship between Marsha (Harold’s widow) and her daughter Ashley Jones, as well as the failed heist of Marsha’s house orchestrated by Jones and her former best friend, Stephen White. Drawing on message transcripts and candid commentary, Cain and Greenlee paint a vivid, unsettling portrait of greed, manipulation, and family betrayal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Bizarre Turn: Why Did Marsha Give the Police Her Phone?

• Investigators are bewildered by Marsha’s decision to hand over her phone, which is loaded with incriminating messages about plotting Harold’s murder (00:00–01:03).
  • Unknown Interviewee: “She wasn’t aware…if you do a download of that phone, that phone is still going to have some of that stuff there. She wasn't aware.” [00:40]
• The hosts speculate: Was it to appear cooperative, or a misunderstanding of how deleted messages work? ("Maybe not totally understanding what happens when you delete messages like that…") [00:40]

2. Ashley Jones and Stephen White: A Toxic Adult Friendship

• Reconnection after drifting apart since adolescence; their texts are melodramatic and self-absorbed (03:13–05:56).
  • “They are both extremely melodramatic, performative, gushing... They also both seem susceptible to not only believing in supernatural and paranormal phenomena, but also believing that they can personally harness that to their own benefit.” – Anya Cain [03:54]
• White unloads personal dramas: health crises, homelessness, family betrayals, suicide attempts [05:00–05:56].
• Jones responds with more grievances, sharing her own financial woes and relationship issues.

3. Plotting a Heist: The Conversations Unfold

• The central drama: Jones, angered over being “cheated” out of her share of Harold’s estate, starts scheming to rob her mother’s house, pulling White into her plans (12:12–13:33).
  • Ashley Jones: “I do have access next week to her home with a lot to steal and sell...there’s 25k plus to steal..." [12:12]
  • “Jones had gone cold to her mother. She seemed deeply invested in getting White to help her out with a heist.” – Anya Cain [12:55]
• Extensive logistical discussions on how and when to pull off the burglary, including fencing stolen goods, avoiding surveillance, and even costumes for the job [13:33–15:28, 23:28–23:59].

4. Greed, Familial Betrayal, and the Fantasy of Success

• Jones’s resentment over her mother retaining most of Harold’s assets, and their earlier “business” plans—selling a house, making THC brownies—having collapsed [07:06–09:55].
  • “My family embarrassed me and mortified me … Been trying to deal with that internally. Like it doesn't effing phase me, but it does.” – Ashley Jones [09:16]
• Dreams of wealth, freedom, and escape recur throughout, with Jones and White fantasizing about buying RVs, living as nomads, and starting new lives with their families [21:10–25:07].

5. Enmeshment, Codependency, and Manipulation

• Hosts and interviewees reflect on the “unhealthy” closeness between Marsha and Jones, noting how their roles reversed with Jones often acting as the parent [15:28–17:01].
  • Unknown Interviewee: “...she’s telling her how things are, like, 'oh, well, your house will sell for this much money.' Or... 'whenever three crows fly over...thats what it means.' It's strange.” [15:28]

6. Paranormal Obsessions and Escapist Fantasies

• Repeated references to “runes," supernatural protection, haunted children, and psychic powers pepper both the personal drama and the criminal plotting [08:17–08:47, 26:00–26:36, 42:58–43:59].
• The delusion extends to schemes for reality TV stardom centered on their children’s psychic abilities [42:58–44:12].

7. Prepping for the Heist: Escalating Desperation

• Tensions build as Jones and White sync up their timelines to break in during Marsha’s out-of-town trip, debating logistics with a criminal’s thoroughness [48:12–51:58].
  • “I wish your mother would go out of town sooner so we could go Heist.” – Kevin Greenlee (speaking for White) [48:12]
• Motives: revenge, financial independence, and the belief that they "removed evil" and were owed karmic rewards [35:35–36:12]

8. The Betrayal and Fallout

• Marsha discovers the theft, immediately suspects Jones and White, and confronts Jones over text (54:44–56:31).
  • Marsha: “So this has been bothering me all day. Why would you betray me?” [54:54]
  • Jones: “You know what I'm talking about. Who was with Stephen?” [55:01]
  • Marsha claims to have "hidden cameras everywhere" and accuses Jones with certainty, referencing confessions from White.
• The emotional cost: Marsha’s beloved cat, Bella, vanishes amid the chaos (55:43).

9. Bigger Picture: The Investigation’s Challenge

• Despite the almost cinematic confessionals in texts, Lt. Nicholson must still prove an actual murder took place with hard evidence, not just criminal intent and failed relationships [56:33–57:30].

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the mother-daughter dynamic:

  • “There seemed to be almost like a level of enmeshment between them…this was close in a way that felt like unhealthy, at least from the outside.” – Anya Cain [15:28]
  • “Good morning, baby girl. Like, every morning...and she would be like, literally in the next room.” – Unknown Interviewee [15:28]

• On the criminal plan:

  • “I do have access next week to her home with a lot to steal and sell, but doubt you can get to Indiana next week to make money.” – Ashley Jones [12:12]
  • “We intend to hit a lick and bring ish home to sell.” – Ashley Jones [12:55]

• On Jones’s resentment:

  • “Marsha got $200,000 from Harold’s death … Now she was supposed to sell the house. Jones said she even set up a deal where her mother would have gotten $600,000...but Marsha didn’t accept…Smh. She has gone evil selfish.” – Kevin Greenlee [11:15]

• On supernatural delusion:

  • “Yes, yes, runes. We're back to runes. Everything's runes. Everything will always be runes. We can never escape.” – Anya Cain [08:17]

• On the heist’s denouement:

  • “So this has been bothering me all day. Why would you betray me?” – Marsha [54:54]
  • “Three people knew. Harold, me and you. No need lying. I have proof.” – Marsha [55:21]

• On post-crime rationalization:

  • “We did what we did out of necessity and protection. We removed evil and our Karma rewarded us and carried us.” – Kevin Greenlee (as White) [35:35]

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Important Segments with Timestamps

• Marsha's phone and deleted evidence – [00:00–01:03]
• Jones & White reconnect, mutual melodrama – [03:13–05:56]
• White’s suicide attempts and Jones’s reaction – [05:30–06:28]
• Mother-daughter tension and money disputes – [07:06–09:55]
• Initiating the house burglary plan – [12:12–13:33]
• Extensive heist logistics and criminal fantasies – [23:28–25:07]
• Paranormal beliefs & escapist dreams – [26:00–26:36, 42:58–44:12]
• Final heist preparations, mask of normalcy – [48:12–53:06]
• Marsha confronts Jones about the betrayal – [54:44–56:33]
• Reflection on the difficulty of proving murder – [56:33–57:30]

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Tone and Style

The episode moves between dark humor and grim incredulity, with the hosts occasionally breaking the fourth wall to comment on the performative, almost childlike text exchanges between conspirators. The dialogue alternates between raw transcripts (with expletives and slang) and the hosts’ more polished analysis, reflecting both journalistic rigor and a psychological lens.

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Conclusion

Part Three of “Sweet Death” is a riveting and disturbing exploration of criminal intent unraveling through miscommunication, narcissism, and dysfunction. The hosts’ sharp, sometimes sardonic approach, paired with primary-source messages, offers listeners a profound look at family betrayal, delusional beliefs, and the unraveling of a failed, amateurish criminal plot—a heist at mom’s house that, if not for hubris and greed, might have gone undiscovered.

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Transcript

[Anya Cain]

Anya.

I'm Anya. And this is the third episode in a miniseries about a sprawling murder investigation in Indiana's Jackson County. If you haven't already, go back and listen to the previous Sweet Death episodes so you don't get lost. The awfulness spewed out of Marsha's phone. Lt. Adam Nicholson and his fellow Jackson County Sheriff's Office investigators were drowning in that awfulness. They were also left to contemplate. Why did Marcia give them her phone when it had all this evidence of her plotting to kill her late husband, Harold Allen? Why did Marcia give you guys that phone?

[Unknown Interviewee]

I don't know.

[Anya Cain]

What do you think it was? Was it not wanting to look suspicious, or was it.

[Unknown Interviewee]

I think it was that on top of maybe not totally understanding what happens when you delete messages like that. You did delete them, and you can't probably go and find them, but, I mean, if you do a download of that phone, that phone is still going to have some of that stuff there. She wasn't aware.

[Anya Cain]

And why might her daughter, Ashley Jones, have engineered a burglary at her mother's house when doing so could doom them both?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Because even after reading all that, all the lies, all the deception, Lieutenant Nicholson actually believed Marsha on one specific point. There was no evidence on her phone that she had been in contact with Stephen White. It was looking like she was right. Her own daughter had set up the burglary. Had the mother and daughter pair just kept quiet, investigators would know nothing. Harold's death may have remained unscrutinized.

[Anya Cain]

And when you look at the text between Jones and her mother, you're struck by the at least outward appearance of closeness. Jones is quick with affirmations and validations. So is Marsha. They seem to believe that the universe was validating their every move and would reward them with future blessings. So how did these murderers manage to mess up their grand plans so badly? My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

[Anya Cain]

And this is the Murder Sheet.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We're the Murder Sheet.

[Anya Cain]

And this is Sweet Death, the murder of Harold Allen, Part 3. A heist at Mom's house. It.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Lieutenant Nicholson knew he wouldn't get full answers on what happened between them until he got a hold of the records between Jones and her best friend forever, Stephen White. So he did just that. May 16, 2023, proved to be a fateful day. Jones and White had been Closest teenagers in Indiana. Scott county, apparently. But as adults, they drifted apart as friends. And geographically too. Jones moved all around Missouri, Colorado, White too, heading to Florida. But the texts from that day show two former best friends reconnecting.

[Anya Cain]

It's not really hard to see why White and Jones gravitated toward one another. They are both extremely melodramatic, performative, gushing. Things they love are things they love. Things they hate are the worst ever. They also both seem susceptible to not only believing in supernatural and paranormal phenomena, but also believing that they can personally harness that to their own benefit. Like this is a summary of the back and forth Lieutenant Nicholson came upon Just in the first few relevant texts, Jones mentioned Harold's death offhandedly. She claimed his mother Caroline died too, and that her former romantic partner was nuts and forced her to sell her home.

[Kevin Greenlee]

White said he'd been having heart attacks, literal heart attacks, and he was on the brink of homelessness because an evil church writ him off his property by buying his home above the asking price. Oh, and his mama had cancer, his gramps was getting dementia, and his evil mother hadn't paid him the $89,000 she owed him.

[Anya Cain]

He also offhandedly mentioned that he'd heard from Jones's ex. The woman tried convincing him that Jones was plotting to kill White himself. Weird.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I know how them lazy fat bitches are. Fuck that cow.

[Anya Cain]

I always get into these lifetime dramas where I have to disappear. LOL and WTF Maw Maw has cancer.

[Kevin Greenlee]

White wasn't done with his litany of sorrows though.

[Anya Cain]

He lit a fire and burnt his husband Nate's clothes as part of some kind of breakdown.

[Kevin Greenlee]

He had struggled with suicidal attempts and ideation, he said. In October, he drove his car to the banks of the Escambia river, which flows from Alabama through Florida and into the Gulf of Mexico. He hit the acceleration and plunged the vehicle into the water. He wanted to drown. He wanted to die. He survived, but the car did not fare so well.

[Anya Cain]

On December 21, 2022, he told Jones he tried to commit suicide yet again on the front porch of his home. He attempted to die by hanging, but the rope broke. He fell to the ground, he said. He wasn't breathing. His husband Nate had to perform life saving measures, according to him at least. Frankly, at this point, Jones didn't react much like I would expect a concerned friend to. A lot of this exchanging of grievances and tragedies feels less like trauma sharing and more like two damaged souls trying to outdo one another with increasingly over the top Personal issues.

[Kevin Greenlee]

When it came to White's issues, Jones went back to the money angle like she always did.

[Anya Cain]

I understand the mom not paying you your dues. Let's just say mom setting nice because of me and didn't give me but a quarter of my dues. But as I do, I made it work for now. Have to do some things old school for now, but it's doable.

[Kevin Greenlee]

She added that she had disowned all her family but her mom. That would come later. She would be disowning Marsha too. After selling her car, she needed the title to come in. Then the disowning would commence.

[Unknown Interviewee]

All these messages between Marcia and Ashley, these plans of selling the house, selling the gun, selling the truck, moving to Colorado, buying a tiny house. They wanted to buy this tiny house and make THC brownies and sell. None of that stuff was happening, so. And when Marsha stopped sending money, the plan starts forming, like, okay, I know what she has in the safe. So that's the way it kind of went down, you know, like she planned it all. And you know, to look back on that now, and I recognize this at the time and still today, like how close they were to getting away with this.

[Kevin Greenlee]

But after that important foray into their shared financial woes, Jones thought back to the date of White's purported suicide attempt.

[Anya Cain]

That's wild. December 21st was the day mom's husband died. Not to be insensitive, I just am rethinking everything you said versus my time frame.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It felt like such a dark energy absorbing me. I went on a two week meth bender and then tried to end it all. I tried taking fentanyl and everything, but no, I have the runes in my arms and can't fucking die.

[Anya Cain]

Yes, yes, runes. We're back to runes. Everything's runes. Everything will always be runes. We can never escape. Anyways, some people believe that rune tattoos are magic and confer protective powers onto those who display them.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Then there was a moment that my son woke up and stopped sleeping in his room because of a spirit. But that's a conversation for the phone, which I wish we could have right now. And IDC about yelling because I really would love to hear your voice.

[Anya Cain]

I understand one of my girls was almost possessed this year. Saw demons and we have been trying to recover since. Agreed. Phone call, talk. And once the kids finish eating, they go to bed. Soon I'll call. We never get any adult space ever. So I'm away till they are in bed to try and even have adult convo.

[Kevin Greenlee]

She alluded to problems with her mother. Marsha would not watch one of her kids. She called her own mother a choice word.

[Anya Cain]

My family embarrassed me and mortified me and nanny said she wish I was dead to mom and that she never had kids. Been trying to deal with that internally. Like it doesn't effing phase me, but it does. That's my nanny saying shit like that. I've been so stressed from this past year. If I had access I would have done meth, coke, whatever. I just had been there for a minute. So I feel you. Then Jones texted White a link to Harold Allen's obituary. She couldn't get off that subject. She added something interesting though, like mom owes me and fucked me over.

[Kevin Greenlee]

How much did she get that fuck? She would do you that way. If it wasn't for us, she never would have had the opportunity to meet her current situation. That's not right.

[Anya Cain]

Jones explained what was going on. She was texting White from her quarter of an acre of land in Missouri, sitting in her three bedroom one bathroom trailer. She bought the whole thing for $19,500. Money she got out of the $20,000 cut Marcia gave her from Harold's estate. She was sitting in Missouri and fuming. Things were not supposed to happen this way. Marsha, she told White, got $200,000 from Harold's death, money from his retirement accounts, all the valuable items he collected over the years, and his house. Now she was supposed to sell the house. Jones said she even set up a deal where her mother would have gotten $600,000 for the house and the land. But Marcia didn't accept. She kept the house. Jones had been banking on getting $60,000. Instead she got a meager slice of a much smaller pie. Only $20,000. After everything Jones had done for her mother, after she stuck around and guided her through everything with Harold, after she lingered and paid rent because Marsha begged her to. Smh. She has gone evil selfish.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Lieutenant Nicholson would soon see that the timing of Jones reconnection with White was quite interesting. On May 17, 2023, she announced that she was going to soon head back to Indiana and house sit for her mother. For a week, White reflected on his own woes, financial, personal and otherwise. He couldn't go anywhere in Indiana, not where he could take his family of four as well as his dogs, Coco and Binks. So I'm a call mama tonight and see what emergency strings she can pull and I guess go home for the summer work, save and steal what I can to get to Georgia and then work until I can make my way back to Florida. I know my journey but to be honest, I feel like the moment I leave the south will be the very moment I sign my own death certificate. And that's just the way the cookie biscuit is gonna crumble.

[Anya Cain]

What do you mean she is taking her time. What was she supposed to send? And I wish I could get mom to help me help but she is being a bitch. I do have access next week to her home with a lot to steal and sell but doubt you can get to Indiana next week to make money. I mean Friday like there's 25k plus to steal but it would have to be done with help. I can't explain rn but I could help you get to Georgia and you could help me. But we gotta do a small easy

[Kevin Greenlee]

little job we shall discuss later and we what we can do Idk if my car can even make it up there right now. Tbh oil, bad ASF and my tires are on their last leg.

[Anya Cain]

Well, let me know. We intend to hit a lick and bring ish home to sell. But with you we could sell and make the money all same swing. For those of you unfamiliar with street slang, hit a lick means stealing something. I had to look that up. It appears a lot in these texts, but either way, Jones had gone cold to her mother. She seemed deeply invested in getting White to help her out with a heist. She needed his help. She bragged about her own abilities in the criminal department, saying she was never caught selling stolen goods near where she lived for a year. But in this case, she wanted White on her team.

[Kevin Greenlee]

White wanted to know more specific logistics. He seemed open, but a little wary. Would pawn shops be open during the window of time he could come? Would they let him sell goods with a Florida identification card? Would it make more sense to cross the border from Indiana to Kentucky and sell things in Clarksville? Perhaps the discussion got to be too much for White. He decided he was going to head for the emergency room. He was about to have another heart attack.

[Anya Cain]

No matter. Think about it. Joan seemed to be urging him. She guaranteed there were $100,000 worth of guns in her mother's home.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Running a business means checking a lot of boxes.

[Anya Cain]

Let's see, payroll, check. Inventory, check insurance.

[Unknown Interviewee]

Ugh.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Good thing. Simply business makes getting small business insurance fast and easy. Easy check insurance off your [e-mail] she

[Anya Cain]

was furious with her mom. Jones had told Marcia what to do. She had expelled the evil demon. She had set things up so that Harold's death became a lucrative business opportunity for the two women. And now Marcia had betrayed her, given her just a pittance in return. 20,000 measly bucks. Marcia was unhelpful. When Jones reached out for more money. She was micromanaging, refusing to send cash, but offering to prepay for specific items instead. It was like the whole dynamic had shifted. In the beginning, despite being the child, Jones had acted more like the parent guiding Marcia, teaching her, praising her when she did well, comforting her. Having read some of the messages, having read some of that, like, there seemed to be almost like a level of enmeshment between them. Like, there's being close with your mom, which is, like, good. And I think a lot of people are close to their moms, and, you know, you should be, but this was close in a way that felt like, unhealthy, at least from the outside.

[Unknown Interviewee]

Yeah, I mean, I love my mom, you know, and I'm 47 years old now, and, you know, it's still my mom, you know, like, you remember things from when you were a kid, you know, same with my dad. You know, my. I'm fortunate I got both. My parents are still alive. And, you know, I like to spend time with my parents and. But this was. This was different. Yeah, this was more of like. Like she was still saying, like, I guess Marsha would still send these messages like, good morning, baby girl. Like, every morning. Like every morning. That's how the text there would start off normally was good morning, baby girl. And she would be like, literally in the next room. Oh, yeah, you could just go tell her, you know, morning. Then there was part of it where it almost seemed like Ashley started to try to take over the. The lead of the relationship. Like I said, I'm 47 years old, but my mom or my dad still told me to do something, I do it, you know, I mean, you know, I don't try to. I don't try to boss my, you know, to tell my parents what. What they need to do. Not yet anyways. Maybe one of these days it'll come to that. But. So, like, she's telling her how things are, like, oh, well, your house will sell for this much money. Or, you know, whenever three crows fly over and if they squawk two times, this is what it means. And it's almost like she's trying. Yeah, she's trying to school her on life and what. How you do things. And it's strange.

[Anya Cain]

Now things had flipped. Jones did not like this. It was humiliating. The lack of control. She was not Going to let Marsha get away with it. She owes me.

[Kevin Greenlee]

By the end of her house sitting Venture, Jones was frazzled. White never made it up to Indiana. He was too busy having heart attacks and being insolvent. On May 27, 2023, she reached out to him again.

[Anya Cain]

My mother cometh home today and tomorrow I finally get to leave this state that drains my soul. Lmao.

[Kevin Greenlee]

She told White that if he needed help, she'd be there. She wasn't transactional. She informed him it would be for old time's sake because of their long friendship. I love you Ashley Nicole. Forever and ever.

[Anya Cain]

I love you too. And frfr no worries. I' ma just say the word. And I never left Missouri. Lmao. May warmed into June. On the 25th of that month, Jones and White were chatting about marijuana and how it was so dirt cheap in Missouri. Jones. Jones mentioned her old dream, the one she shared with Marcia once. The grow lab in the basement with the blooming girlies and all that money they were supposed to make. Did I tell you that mom fucked it up? Still got the shit she made me pluck one month before harvest 50 plus plants. Let me show you.

[Kevin Greenlee]

She sent her best friend pictures.

[Anya Cain]

It was murder to my plant babies. I tell you I had a setup man to buy it all and she messed it up.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Now apparently Harold's death also contributed to the demise of the grow Bye bye

[Anya Cain]

bye was happening too. She didn't want anyone to smell. Yeah, she's stupid. A bitch was trying to make sway for a lot of us and she's just a pest.

[Kevin Greenlee]

God damn son. I'd have been pissed even if the did smell anything. They aren't there to search for cannabis. They're there to remove a deceased persons.

[Anya Cain]

We only live there for a reason. LOL. Two days later on June 27, 2023, Jones was rattling off all the changes she needed to make in her life. She needed money. She needed to move to Colorado. She needed to unleash her anger against her mother and get revenge. She has tried to ruin me and I finally see what she is and what she has done to me and made me. I'm no longer blind.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I'm so sorry it has come to that. But you're strong and independent and far better than any of the narcissistic bullshit assholes in Indiana. I know you're come out on the bright side.

[Anya Cain]

Well it is what it is. I'd rather have the people I want in my life that I love and like and appreciate me without it being some immature issue like you and my love. Like she has tried to ruin my life this past year and basically told me I'm trash. God I can't. The universe has spoken its path and we got this for all of his

[Kevin Greenlee]

money troubles, White had one consistent revenue stream. His own plasma. He sold that. It helped him eke out some extra cash when he was strapped. He was there at the clinic getting ready to do just that on July 3, 2023 when Jones texted about her failed cannabis grow again. She often circled back to the same stories, the same grievances and in a way her whole back and forth with White echoed her whole back and forth

[Anya Cain]

with her mother like damn RIP my babies. I am still shook. Lol. It happened again.

[Kevin Greenlee]

They was all so beautiful.

[Anya Cain]

I know even the last min ones. Smh what a shame. Then she hit him with a bunch of pictures of firearms. Don't even start to touch the knives and ammo.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Are you in Indiana?

[Anya Cain]

No, I have mom wrapped like twine in a hemp roll ready to be burned.

[Kevin Greenlee]

By then White was in. Four days later he was texting Jones asking about time frames and his idea for a one stop shop fence would pay top dollar for the guns.

[Anya Cain]

Jones was all ready to go. On July 27, 2023 she was due at her mom's. She would loot the place and return to Missouri on the 30th she could sell the car, her own or her mother's it was not clear and get a lot of money. That money would then go to White and they could take a trip and then get a recreational vehicle together.

[Kevin Greenlee]

The scheme was complicated and hard to follow at times.

[Anya Cain]

There's money in the safe too js lmao she has been taking her living money slowly. I'm 5k increments so disability won't see and it won't flag. At least 7k in their rn plus coins ect. Yes she has she has money in her account. I just can't get that.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You don't think she'll notice that's gone? Is she lost her mind that much

[Anya Cain]

but I know 7k men in the safe, maybe 12 if she has taken her other 5 out of bat bat she will def notice but it'll be too clean and I'll be with her the whole time keeping her out for a day. Everyone else is hours away so someone must have robbed her while I wasn't there. His brothers keep hounding her for guns ECT and safe access so for all she knows they broke back and got what they wanted and Left, you know. Cause most of those are his daddy's old guns minus the new buys. You saw the list. I fully suspect her to suspect. But I'm going to play it right. I also have a mandolin. LMAO. Made 1800 off the last one stole.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Hell to the yeah. If I make enough, I'll buy the mandolin for gramps.

[Anya Cain]

If it's the nice one, it's a nice one. Smiley face. He was a hoarder. Jones and White bonded over all this crime. White divulged all the disasters in his personal life. Jones boasted about getting rid of her hoarder stepfather and ripping off her greedy mother. They called each other Brohim. Reading these texts. There's just something so performative about these people. So phony. It's all this kiss kiss, love you. But it's not real. None of it ever was. It just sounded good to them when they were texting each other. There's very little substance. Or maybe I'm just reading my own bias into these texts. After all. I read all the validating lovey dovey messages Joan sent her mother before turning on her completely.

[Kevin Greenlee]

There were heist logistics to hash out though. White asked about cameras. Do the neighbors have them? Did the neighbors even like Marsha enough to help her out with surveillance footage if she got robbed? Jones wondered if she could pass on keys to him. They mused about stealing from White's parents next. If this first heist worked out. They reminisced about the old days when they were teenagers. Omg. That's a whole ass bet. We can do it ninja style. That's a whole ass plan.

[Anya Cain]

Best friend Jones had a new dream. She fantasized about her and White getting RVs and going off the grid with their respective families. They could travel down to the southeastern United States and hug the coast. When hurricanes spun toward land, they could skedaddle northward.

[Kevin Greenlee]

White was so in. He would decompress, get rid of most of his stuff. Only decorate his trailer with his artworks and his bookshelf. Maybe hitch up a camper for extra storage space.

[Anya Cain]

Jones would catch crab in the ocean, boiling it or grilling it on a fire. Their caravans would meet up for cheap, lavish vacations in the most beautiful spots in the United States of America. The Grand Canyon. Mount Rushmore. Their children would build sand castles on the beach. White could bury his son in the sand and construct the body of a mermaid around him. The kids would play and giggle. The adults would smoke marijuana and giggle. What a life. They could raise their families on the road. They could live like nomads, they could be free. That'd be the life. All they needed was money. Big money. A huge payout to set them up for life.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Once again. Jones's messages with White reflected those she shared with Marsha. There was always the promise of a better day, a wonderful day when the evil was conquered and eradicated. Hope weaponized to encourage and justify criminality. Slightly changed lyrics with the same exact melody.

[Anya Cain]

There's something almost poignant about reading texts where adults are talking like children. Like two kids who think they can solve all their problems by running away and having a life on the road filled with adventure. But then you remember what they've done and what they plan to do, and the sympathy vanishes quicker than ocean water poured into a sandcastle's moat. People like Jones and those she convinced to do her bidding are less like roving nomads and more like the hurricanes she and White envisioned fleeing. Only hurricanes don't have free will.

[Kevin Greenlee]

On July 15, 2023, Jones went back to the paranormal of it all for a rather alarming reason. Apparitions of twin children in hoods had purportedly been haunting her child.

[Anya Cain]

Her child was an empath and a medium, she informed White. And a pusher and a shield, whatever that means. Jones proceeded to link the twins to a criminal case. Someone she knew had worked as a police officer in Michigan. Those hooded children had been trafficked and murdered. She said no.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Just cutting in to say no, that didn't happen. But anyway, here's Jones.

[Anya Cain]

But they need to go home. So she has been chosen so young to help them move on. And I swear it's so OMG much rn at this time. Lmao. Sell a home, move ghosts onto the other world. Ove. Sell your car, con your mom, go to Florida, sell everything in your home, ect. Ect.

[Kevin Greenlee]

White told her he had to go give more of his plasma. He was stuck in Pensacola, Florida, with only $40 and an empty tank to his name. He only needed $10 to feed his family for a few days. IDK what to do at this point. I can't keep doing crystal meth. I'll die.

[Anya Cain]

Damn, bro. I wish I could help. I have eight books on cash app I can help with. Jones was so sorry she couldn't help out more, but no worries. There were big payouts ahead and she had a side hustle idea in the meantime. Not the best time, but if I set you up an Etsy store ready to go make money, could you keep it up and supply it with shells, other things that only Cost you time to gather because I'm going to restart my website and make what I was in Colorado before that shall not be named fucked it up. I made 75k from it in 6 months and that's just the tip I was about to triple.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I can do that for sure. OMG girl I cannot wait to take you to the creeks. Fuck the ocean shell fr. I have access to Tumbled Creek rocks and natural minerals. They're beautiful. Just wait. We can make jewelry and everything. The heat started to get to white. He was worried it would kill his dog Coco. It was making him numb. He thought he needed to go to the ER again. It was July 17, 2023. I wish our moms weren't such asshats in their old age. We could call and squander your mama out of 300. Hell normally I'd call mine but I just got 1500 from her last month.

[Anya Cain]

Same if I didn't just finesse her for like 10k in the past 3 months. LMAO. I wish it was like that for just a second. I need some weed. You are hella in need of just a quick let me get bills up food and maybe kosher so my worries ain't shit not trying to say they are in comparison I just wish I could help RN. Yeah my family's lost it and I'm having to just play mom till I dip and she's still a cunt and WTF and it will for sure be all all right but what's the interim till I can help some I know you're the king if pivot the plan but the end result remains the same two days later the stress was getting to Jones.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Are you okay best friend? What is the matter? This current moment in times I hated

[Anya Cain]

that I know you're sick AF or we're off that shot and not really. I just want to sell this take and disappear have peace. I'm not happy.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Hold on sis. Happiness will come again. I know it will. We have worked long and hard together and apart over these many years to have peace and happiness. We will have it again. Our family. The saying blood is thicker than water actually goes. The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb and our covenant has always been strong. Any decision you make, I'll always stand by your side. You're my best friend.

[Anya Cain]

Like I just should have stayed single. Lmao.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I feel it. I like her. But I know you. You're my sister and I can hear the whole situation every time. I'm always right here Joshua and Shirley, Bonnie and Clyde. The end result is always the same

[Anya Cain]

like not to be as sick Even the sex life is good cause of me like I am a beast not to brag I can get it poppin if I really want But I get us both there lmao. I' ma delete this word up, son but that's my secret RN LMAO between

[Kevin Greenlee]

us Always between us I feel it. Use a beast but then beasts must be fed too.

[Anya Cain]

On July 26, 2023, Joan saw her hated mother.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Safe travels for the day, sis. I love y'. All. Thank you for being my best friend.

[Anya Cain]

I love you too. Mom's almost here. Ugh. Here we go. Lol. Fake the funk till I get the gold.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You got this, my dearest best friend. Smile and wave, girls. Smile and wave.

[Anya Cain]

Jones couldn't take much more of it. She had to sneak off that night and go smoke a blunt. It's hailing lmao cuz the wicked witch to Missouri. So White proceeded to give her a whole bizarre motivational speech based on their shared dream.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Fucking cocaine and weed on the beach with my best friend. We finna have heart attacks. But the ocean magic will help us stay alive and we shall elevate and prosper.

[Anya Cain]

Maybe more and more. And I have a heart attack men. Once a day. Bring it. So I'm a hustle.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Then it was down to business. White told Jones to figure out how often her mom chucked the safe. How often she recounted the money inside. Regardless, it's not like she can call it in. Should have been smarter where you put your shit. And she owes you so much more than a measly hundred she was gonna give.

[Anya Cain]

Even if she thinks it's me Cause ain't gonna be no one else. Come on now. Lmao. She can't do shit and I want to take it all but can't or I can she will try and drive to my place but as long as I don't have it she can't do a damn thing but accuse.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I'd take it all. I mean fuck. But she also knows who the masterminds have been the whole time. Because she knows we are a smart and dangerous duo, my dear. And that's for life. I'm sure she will know how to chalk it up as a loss and a debt repaid from her to you. Has she really gone so far off is to try to come get it back? Because the thought of that makes me laugh so hard. We have always and forever been too clean and not the ones to try the following day. Jones continued the conversation with an interesting slip.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, she ain't gonna be able to do shit. She wouldn't even have succeeded with this last thing without me. I. I planned it all. She was going to use insulin like 1983. Oh, it's not traced. Yeah, not usually and not years ago but 2022. Yeah it is. And he was diabetic like come on. So something else was hatched and we both know that bitch wasn't the one planning ecg. She just fucking fucked it all up and made it less lucrative with wouldn't even make it go get a will. She couldn't get into a dead man's phone without me to get all his retirements and savings he had hidden. Hell, she got 4,500 from his PayPal CC because I showed her how to scam it as him before they find he's gone. She's fake af. She didn't give me shit out of that. Now she's making me miserable and trying to straighten me out like wtf? If I ever want some dangle I can easily get it and have some on reserve. LMAO if it's like that. But I'm good. I'm happy swimming in the vag ocean. Lmao. And she's been so racist and sexist towards women around. I've snapped several times already. It's been a lot and we ain't even made it to her place. Oh I'm not gonna make it. I hate this woman.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Oh wow. Her greed has taken over like that smh. I just played a seven hour game of life last night for the first time since we played and the magic was in there air and the game spoke to me. Holy fuck. I'm so sorry. I just got all the last message and read it and that makes me so heated. This is like high school all over again and she's only verifying that she won't change and she'll never let you be you. I'm so sorry. That's not fair. It's unfortunate that they're acting this way and is starting to have to see the shit you did. Soon my friend it will all be done. How close to Indiana are you?

[Anya Cain]

Soon it will all be very done and let me check the find my friends and I'm in Freetown. She's been up my ass.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Look, she's probably lonely asf now and can't handle the karma that's coming her way. We did what we did out of necessity and protection. We removed evil and our Karma rewarded us and carried us. And it was her who honestly had a greedy heart and mind that caused us to both miss out on the big goal. And then she went again for round two with more greed at heart to feed her wants. We are trying to care for our families and build a legacy for our children. She's using her children to set herself up. The universe knows all.

[Anya Cain]

Exactly. I told her a small version of that today. I said, you know manifesting just money is ignorant, right? It's all about peace, love, family. Not just change that comes and goes.

[Kevin Greenlee]

What did she say when she told you that?

[Anya Cain]

She talks like a mean girl from 1990. Now she thinks she's hot shit. Idk what to do with her.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Omg your mama does.

[Anya Cain]

I swear she is on some ish. She says like and girl every five words.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I wonder if that was her like everything. She like totally wanted to be in like the 90s. OMG girl.

[Anya Cain]

I'm a kill myself. Lmao. Not fr but fuck man I would love to snow globe my nose RNA like she is so crazy. How did I not lose my mind? Or did I? I know I dissociated for sure. Lmao.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Oh dear love of mine, we did. We both went crazy.

[Anya Cain]

White had actually, according to him, had it out with his own mother. He said his parents were in the middle of a political campaign. His father was actually running for mayor of Austin, Indiana. White even claimed that the top Federal Bureau of Investigation agent in Indiana was leading the campaign. I. I have no idea if that's true, but that seems kind of unlikely. But who knows.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Last night I actually talked for four hours to my mom and poured out how I felt about everything. And she listened and she apologized. Like cried her eyes out some. I'm so sorry my son. I'm a piece of shit. I never had that intention. I just didn't see the whole picture. And my judgment was clouded by the actions of my stepchildren. And you've never been one of them. I just hope one day you'll forgive me. I'm so sorry I can't make it up to you now. All that jazz. I said mama, you were blinded. At very least you see that now. I forgive you. I'm now the sole inheritor of everything. So long as John White dies first.

[Anya Cain]

Oy vey. And want me to help make sure that happens? Lmao. I know we went nuts. I'm good with it.

[Kevin Greenlee]

But we have always seen past their blindness. I wish your mama could have the same realization mine did. And there for a minute she started too. Idk why? She lost sight of the right path and turned away. He seemed to want to get a rain check on Jones offer to take out the competition when it came to his inheritance. At least until his father won the election. His father might end up governor after all and the FBI was sniffing her out apparently. I don't know why White thought his father would win a gubernatorial election when he was only running for mayor, but that's beside the point.

[Anya Cain]

Well, I'm ready in the future lmao. And yeah, crazy isn't a problem. Normal is FRFR and I have always appreciated you have never seen my planning and plotting and fucked up humor as insanity. Just creativity and drive. Mom has made it clear she is off her rocker and I am not a surrogate for intimacy. She told me I wasted 4 years by not taking her away with the mil and setting her up. I'm allowed to live in love and honey I'll make another meal and then some. I made 150k this year so far side legs and stand to make more so fuck off Marcia. I don't have it all saved in one lump sum but I tallied and I've sold and flipped and hustled that much outside of my check. She has me messed up lol But

[Kevin Greenlee]

Jones never managed to have a similar conversation with her mother. In fact, things only devolved further at the reunion of her and Marcia on July 30, 2023. Jones filled white end this bitch said

[Anya Cain]

thought you be normal now that you're single. I said WTF does that mean? You know get a man. I said oh wow and went off. I said one fuck that I'm brilliant. Far from normal. To be clear, I don't know personally if Ashley Jones identified as bisexual or as a lesbian or as something else, but she was definitely seeing women. She was romantically interested in other women. She said she felt that her mother was attacking her for her sexuality. White, for his part, was of course married to a man at the time. I also don't know what he identified as specifically. I want to note one other thing. I do not know if Marsha really said these things. We are getting Jones's side of the story, but a lot of the things she and Marsha said about Harold also seemed quite unfair and quite possibly untrue. It is possible that Marsha really did hurt her daughter by making her feel rejected about her sexuality, or by being racist or unkind to the women that Jones loved. Then again, we should say it also seems quite possible that Jones made up lies to demonize anyone she planned to harm. After all, White was married to a man. Jones would have known that calling her mother a homophobe would probably mean something to him personally. We are not defending Marsha. We're not condemning her. We simply do not know what is the truth and what is just. Poison poured in White's ear.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Oh, holy shit. Are you fucking serious? Wow, wow, wow.

[Anya Cain]

To wtf, Mom? Like, are you losing your shit? Yeah, bro, I'm hella triggered. Lmao.

[Kevin Greenlee]

In August, there was a whole extended visit between the best friends. Jones traveled south to spend time with White.

[Anya Cain]

The demons tormented Ashley Jones before she left. On that journey, she fell asleep to storms that she feared were fake. She dreamed that she died. She awoke feeling like a totally different person. But then she was in Florida. The best friends were back together. They got high under the dark, humid sky. They channeled the universe's messages to them. All of existence pulsed for them, telling them that they were beautiful, they were good, they were right. They would soon be rich and famous, and they were therefore entitled to do whatever they wanted. They spent many days together. They hurt one another's feelings. Their kids misbehaved. They came apart. But then they bonded back together again.

[Kevin Greenlee]

On August 8, 2023, Jones wrote White after he sent her a lengthy apology about his kids being rude and him failing to give her and her romantic partner an opportunity to spend time together. She responded with a crass statement about needing to use the restroom before she read all of that. Then she told him she felt that they had to be a little more realistic with their goals.

[Anya Cain]

Steven, I don't think we are meant to be famous. Sorry. Instead, they would embrace the limelight in a wholly different way through their children. Jones was convinced the children would be psychic celebrities. Soon they would build up a whole reality television empire around that. Never the way we thought. Helping spread the message of love and awakening while being fun. I got a reading and I was told my daughter will have a show with her family. It will be offered to her at age 16 and I shall manage her and have a family to do it. A go help you to the other side show. A family magic show. Now to the rest. I think that's why fame hasn't happened yet either. We got the talent, but we aren't meant to be in it the way it is now. The next generation will change it and that negative shit in it will no longer be. And once we have shifted to that timeline, the fame will come because nothing negative will be in that Anymore like it is now Also followers in that shit means nothing if you haven't learned the true things first. LOL. By August 18, 2023, White was back home again in Indiana.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Good morning best friend. It's sunny bright 8:20am Here in southern Indiana. Kill myself today, but come back to life tomorrow and party until we make it out west. Lmm fao.

[Anya Cain]

Cool beans.

[Kevin Greenlee]

On August 29, 2023, Marcia was reaching out to Jones a lot.

[Anya Cain]

We have to. Lmao. God, I'm so ready to be done with my mother. Lmao. I changed my number and ghost her next two weeks.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Has she still been blowing you up?

[Anya Cain]

Oh my God, yes. Like crazy. When will y' all be there? Never bitch. We are ghosting. The success would have to wait a little bit longer. By September 2, 2023, White was in a full on personal crisis. He blamed his husband Nate.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Nate got drunk, told the kid knows I'm gonna kill him. I don't really know him. He's got murder in his veins now. He's in a ball in the hallway, rocking, afraid.

[Anya Cain]

What he told the kids, what bullshit. And then went and woke the baby and your brother. What the living fuck? How the fuck did he get drunk? What the fuck? What did your mother say? Like what the fuck?

[Kevin Greenlee]

He drank all the vodka and hand sanitizer in mom's bar. He said he can tell by the moon in my eyes that I hate him and he's afraid for his life. Then he snapped because of ptsd. So of course we had him taken away and locked in Wellstone to get all good and doped up. But now his mental ill was is going back on file and he broke his own phone and threw away the son. Nate got discharged in the hospital and had a friend pick him up and wouldn't allow the hospital to let me know who he left with because he's afraid for his life. So he's gone now. Got it all cleared up. Filing for divorce Monday. Mom is paying for it all.

[Anya Cain]

Are you kidding me? He pulled that shit in public. I am livid. White proceeded to let Jones know that he was defecating in a cornfield. These two were way too open about their bowel movements with each other. But despite that, despite Nate's breakdown and crisis and the moon in White's eyes, despite Marsha and her neediness, despite everything, it was go time. White had the perfect partner in mind for the big heist.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I'm about to go get Kane Napier because he's going through the same shit with me, only his girlfriend.

[Anya Cain]

The heist was finally happening. It was all a lot for Jones to process. Apparently she really needed to dish on her best friend's personal heartbreak with someone else. So she returned to her old partner in crime, Marcia. Yes, the same Marcia she had just been plotting against with White. On September 4, 2020, three days before the burglary, Jones filled in Marsha about the drama. And Marcia had a telling remedy in mind for the troublesome spouse.

He needs a root beer float.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Then Jones went back to White. She had learned her mother would leave Indiana on the 16th and return on the 23rd. A day later, Jones, who was planning to steal her mother's money, made an ironic complaint about Marcia.

[Anya Cain]

She flat out cares about money. And I'm not her cash cow. I'm not even ballin'. Lol. Don't get me wrong, I do well for my age, but I'm not what that bitch expects. Some sugar child. I ranted. Lmao. Sorry.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Nah, you're right. She wanted to make her riches through you, selfishly not to see you grow. And that's wrong.

[Anya Cain]

All that was left to do was to wait for Marcia to go away. Like a poisoning murder, Jones was learning that heists involve a lot of sitting around and waiting.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I wish your mother would go out of town sooner so we could go Heist.

[Anya Cain]

On September 16, 2023, Jones said Marsha was departing for Tennessee. After a few false starts, there was some complication about a key. White would need to actually break in through a specific window. Instead, Jones sent White an address. He remarked with some nervousness that he believed a close relative of Jerry Gooden, a former Indiana State police sergeant who became sheriff of Scott county, lived nearby. And that could pose a pretty big problem.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Them bitch ass n words have a trail cam at the end of their drive, pointed at the road and mailbox so teenage dirtbags would stop taking a ball bat to it.

[Anya Cain]

So you can't country talk to them. If not just bust the door open. Break the fucking glass. I'm so mad at myself.

[Kevin Greenlee]

How loud you think it'll be? I'm a need to make a whole ass go bag as well.

[Anya Cain]

You can go bust it tonight, leave and hit it tomorrow if nothing goes down. What do you think? I know the gas is tight, but God I'm such a fuck up gah

[Kevin Greenlee]

like burn clothes type shit. I have black hat, black Long John shirt and possibly black pants and socks for sure doubled up with nitrile gloves. And I'll throw a change of clothes in the car for when I Stop. It would be idea to scope it out, but I barely have enough gas to get Nate from work tonight. Like I'mma have to have someone take him tomorrow. And at this point, if I can even find anyone wanting these other tabs I got, they're going to have to come to Mom's to buy them. Which means I'm going to be bringing hella traffic up in here to make a cent because the Pacifica is horrid on gas. It's going to take me a half tank or more to get up their back roads and back. And that's the way I got to go. Because police have been out and about bad style on the hunt. Frfr Pacifica has two miles to empty. Like I'm going to have to use a gas jug to fill it any at all. And it'll be 40 for a half tank. And my car has no tint whatsoever. You can see everything. But even still, I barely have enough to get to Nate after work tonight. And I already drained the Camaro and the lawnmower. It's so weird. She keeps changing up plans on travel dates last minute. That's so not like mom.

[Anya Cain]

You know it is now. She's fucking stupid. She just sent me a picture of them in Cumberland Falls. That's how far they are rn at the rest stop. She is beyond different, Steven. Like she thinks she's invincible and the sexiest thing alive and just goes with the flow while being anal. And it's stupid. And that's a bad explanation. Okay, so the creepy shrine room mom made. Not lock the windows if you want to boost someone or take a stepladder. Jesus Christ.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Okay, I'll probably go tomorrow night if I can find anyone to buy these tabs. And is it low enough? I can climb without being seen. I have to be careful driving up there that early in the a.m. they'd be sitting. And I might have to go straight past the station in North Vernon twice to miss the majority of the blues. You feel what I'm putting down? Shift changes are sometime between 12:30 and 3:30am Patrols usually run around. I can take my spare tire out and remove the bumper stickers. And I still have the Florida plate because I haven't had cash to send it back yet. But my license is also still suspended and I already have a citation pending for October 31st to be cleared before then. So if I get pulled over at all, they will immediately have right to search my vehicle and impound it no matter what. I am driving. And I will go for driving while Suspended? I don't have pole like I do here in Jackson County.

[Anya Cain]

Then White said something that I'm not sure if we follow. Frankly he wished Jones was in Indiana with him and that they could get someone he called the spicy sister to watch the tots.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We could roll this shiz like a seven honey safe tape into trizunk of my box Chevrolet Slip the line drop the thigh watch em burn the way out and skiddly diddly do you feel what I just put down?

[Anya Cain]

Apparently Jones didn't reply to that so

[Kevin Greenlee]

he texted again can you pick it back up?

[Anya Cain]

That is what I was trying to on Friday Then the whole shit flipped. That was like the OG plan and I'm so aware that's why I wish you had someone down with a whip to get her done on the low

[Kevin Greenlee]

low Kane is going through an ugly breakup that has him in a nasty spot and he's too strung out. Everyone else is dead or in the pen and and just like before again and again the only real one left is my best friend Poetry Fuck damn

[Anya Cain]

I'm busted and we gotta do this lick shit just got away from me Damn mom just got to Tennessee.

[Kevin Greenlee]

That's fucking great.

[Anya Cain]

Then White sent a rather cryptic text that sounded a bit like a prayer or a spell or an incantation.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Hide your lips, bite your nose when we write we write the codes Speak in well stray from hell Victory is in heaven's fold One of me two or three when the window's right we light the tree Amen.

[Anya Cain]

Hail Mary burn the bridge forever. Ashley Jones's prayer certainly came true. Just perhaps not in the way she hoped.

Foreign.

[Kevin Greenlee]

20:23 Jones missed White's call.

[Anya Cain]

You rang? White informed her that he had to go inside to defecate again. Why is he telling her that anyways? He talked a lot about using the restroom. So did she for that matter.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Mom may bring me a doobie if no one can buy these tans. Imma go grab my Mexican homie if I can get gas siphoned from dad's cars and roll up to make a way in the house. Going to take my Oldsmobile but the lights never go all the way off unless the car is off which is no big deal. Our park cut the lights and wait about 15 to 20 minutes before we move so if anyone stops or look I can say my car was overheating so I stopped in my aunt's Drive on September 19, 2023. Jones must have been giddy. She got a voicemail from White that

[Anya Cain]

morning after the heist lol your VM was received. Let me know.

[Kevin Greenlee]

That evening at 8:32pm, Marcia got in touch. Gone was the giggly, performative tone. Her mother's message was a stark one.

[Anya Cain]

So this has been bothering me all day. Why would you betray me?

What are you talking about?

You know what I'm talking about. Who was with Stephen?

I don't, actually. And Steven's with his husband, living with his mom as far as I know, and starting work Monday at Genpac or whatever.

And you gave him the combination to my safe.

I don't have the combination to your safe. What are you even talking about?

Three people knew. Harold, me and you. No need lying. I have proof.

I do not know your safe combination. And I never betrayed. You still do not know what you're talking about.

Yes, you do. I knew you would deny it. No need in calling Stephen. He's in jail. By the way, you let Bella out. She's gone.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Bella? One of the cats. One of the little protectors from the demons swirling in the household. The burglars had left a door unlocked. She had escaped into the early morning darkness. Marsha had not seen her since.

[Anya Cain]

I don't though. And believe what you may still don't fully even know what's going on.

But okay, you didn't know. I have hidden cameras everywhere. Like I said, I have proof. Steven likes to talk.

I don't know what you're talking about, but okay.

His exact words where I told Ashley to plead the Fifth if something goes wrong.

Okay. Still has nothing to do with me because he wants to drag me into whatever is going on, that I still don't know what this is about.

Okay. I will just continue to cry and

[Kevin Greenlee]

wonder why Lt. Nicholson had incriminating statements. He had near confessions. He had outright confessions. But to make the case for the murder of Harold Allen, he had to prove that these were not the ramblings of a few deranged, damaged souls. He needed evidence. He needed proof that a murder had taken place at all. Thanks so much for listening to the murder sheet. If you have a tip concerning one of the cases we cover, please email [e-mail] if you have actionable information about an unsolved crime, please report it to the appropriate authorities.

[Anya Cain]

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[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

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[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

Let's see. Payroll? Check inventory? Check insurance.

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