A (2:35)

We do indeed.

B (2:37)

But before that, we have this crazy itinerary planned by our chief engineer of the cane train. We're going to start all the way. Correct me if I'm wrong. This is the way you planned. We're starting all the way on the East Coast. New York.

A (2:55)

Yes.

B (2:55)

Then we're going to go across country, across the breadth of this great land. We'll be traversing our way through many states with great mottos, ending up in California. And then we're going to turn around, go all the way back to Indiana, and then turn around again and go all the way back to California. Is that what you planned?

A (3:18)

Yes.

B (3:19)

Makes no sense.

A (3:20)

Well, you're stuck on the train, so get what you get and you don't get upset.

B (3:26)

Well, you know, you shouldn't talk like that, because our listeners want to feel like being on the train is a treat. So we're all stuck. We're all stuck on this train, says Anya.

A (3:36)

I think they know what being on the train is. I don't think they're. I don't think it's a treat for them. I think they know they're just stuck.

B (3:43)

No, it's a delight. It's a delight. We all love being on the cane train.

A (3:48)

Well, then stop complaining constantly, because not having it, I'm not here for it. Tickets are non refundable.

B (3:55)

There's no charge for the tickets. People are listening for free.

A (3:58)

And if you complain too much, we're going to just leave you at a whistle stop somewhere.

B (4:02)

What is wrong with you? Start the show.

A (4:04)

I've gotten power mad. My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.

B (4:09)

And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

A (4:12)

And this is the Murder Sheet.

B (4:13)

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We're the murder sheet.

A (4:21)

And this is the cheat sheet. Babies and boats.

B (5:10)

So we're starting our journey in the Empire State of the East.

A (5:13)

It's just the Empire State New York.

B (5:17)

Good Lord. Fox 10. That's our source.

A (5:21)

Yes. This is a case that goes all the way back to 1997. So June 28, 1997, a guy and his daughter are just walking in the woods in Hempstead State park in Lakeview, New York, and they make an incredibly grisly discovery. They discover the dismembered body of a female murder victim. So that's. That's horrible. Now, to give you a sense, Lakeview is in Nassau county, which is the western county of Long island, and to the east is Suffolk County. Now, Suffolk county became somewhat infamous for a series of murders of young female sex workers who were sort of lured out there and then ultimately found murdered at Gilgo beach in Suffolk County. So, and when we're talking about the proximity of these areas, they're about like 20 miles apart. And we're talking maybe like a 35, 40 minute drive. I mean, it kind of depends on the traffic. But these are not right next to each other. They are relatively close. But I guess I just wanted to, like, single that out because, you know, the reason I'm singling that out is because these remains were at some point sort of like, looked at as far as being a possible link to the Long island serial killer. There's currently a man accused of being the Long island serial killer, and that is Rex Heuerman. He's charged with a number of these murders.

B (7:14)

And the evidence against him, let's just be blunt, is very strong.

A (7:18)

It involves DNA, it involves, you know, identification of a car, it involves location, timeline.

B (7:26)

We don't feel comfortable saying a man who's not yet been through this system is guilty.

A (7:30)

No.

B (7:31)

But we can say the evidence against him is very, very strong.

A (7:34)

It's a strong case, and we'll be interested to see how it develops. But, but there are also these other cases. So this, this young woman who was dismembered and, and left in the Hempstead Lake State park, she was dubbed Peaches because this was a. You know, I guess they found like the remains of a tattoo of Peaches on her. And they even tracked down from a guy, like a guy who's like, hey, I did give a tattoo to a young woman. He remembered she was about 18 or 19, that she was African American. So, like, she matched the description of the body they found. But there was just no way to really identify her at first. Yeah. And then the story gets even worse. So in 2011, more of her remains are found at the Jones Beach State Park. So a whole other area. And that same year, they also found the remains of a child around a cedar beach. And they were able to use DNA testing to identify that child as belonging to this woman who is. Who was left dismembered. So it's now not just one murder, it's two murders, a mother and child. It's horrible. And ultimately there has been a development in this case, but it's something that I don't think anyone was expecting. So Peaches was identified as a woman named Tanya Denise Jackson. She was 26 years old. She was from Mobile, Alabama. And she and her Young daughter Tatiana Marie Dykes had been living in Brooklyn when she was killed. And yeah, as I mentioned, she's a young woman, she's a veteran, she's a mother, she goes missing and police have recently made an arrest in her case. But it's not rex Heuerman, it's 66 year old Andrew Dykes, who is the father of two year old Tatiana. So what it's looking like is that police think that this woman's partner, the father of her child, killed her and her child and that it has nothing to do with the serial killer case. There's no link between Heuerman and, and, and this young woman. And there's no link between Andrew Dykes and Heuerman. So that's pretty interesting. I think some people are gonna have a hard time with that because it's like, okay, what are the odds that two, you know, two killers would be operating in the same area? But, but the thing is, that does happen and Long island is pretty densely populated. It's not surprising to me that there would be some cases within this that have nothing to do with Heuerman. What do you think?

B (10:19)

Yeah, I agree. Certainly we talk a lot about the Delphi case. And in that case we have a man later convicted, Keagan Klein, child predator. He was talking with one of the victims in that case on the very morning of the murders. And so people assume all these coincidences, it can't be a coincidence. Everything has to be connected. But sometimes there are coincidences. And the sad fact of the matter is there are a lot of terrible people in the world doing terrible things.

A (10:54)

Yeah, I think we need to be open to coincidences in true crime. Significantly more open than we are now. And what differentiates things is where's the evidence? If we're just saying, you know, temporal proximity or geographical proximity is the only thing. Well, bad, multiple bad things can happen in one area. What's the evidence? And it sounds like this young woman and her daughter, you know, I mean, it seems like they could, they were in a bit of a different situation where they had, you know, this man in their lives, the father of this, of Tatiana, who then, you know, moved on after they seemingly vanished. So I, I could imagine why police would be looking at that, because you would think somebody would be like, where's my daughter? Where's the woman I had a child with? You know, what's going on? Seemingly that didn't happen because it took so long for them to even be identified. So yeah, it's very sad. This young woman like lost her life. This little baby lost her life. It's. It's horrible. I'll be curious to see what evidence they ultimately have against dykes and if that case holds up. But that's where things stand for this sad case out of Long island for now.

B (12:05)

Should we move to California for the first time? Yes, yes, we're going back.

A (12:11)

Don't worry.

B (12:12)

And don't worry, folks, between this week and next, I'm going to sit Anya down with maps to reduce some of the travel time involved in this, which is making the whole thing more arduous. But it has to be. My sources for this New York Post, CBS News. And the situation here is there was this woman named Sherry Townsend, and she had a daughter who wanted to go to a cheerleading competition in the great state of Florida. And Ms. Townsend lives in California. And apparently the cost to get her daughter all the way down to Florida for this cheerleading competition is $2,000. And Ms. Townsend, frankly, did not have the money. At one point she considered, oh, maybe, maybe I'll do a GoFundMe. But that idea was rejected because she thought, well, that might embarrass my daughter. And God knows I wouldn't want to do anything to embarrass a family member. She also did some research, tried to get her hands on a fake id. She did a web search on whether or not Walmart would check IDs if you use credit cards. So obviously the implication there is maybe buy something at Walmart with a fake credit card and I guess sell it or something. But then her final where she finally landed is what I'll do is I'll go to this mall and I will look for someone who seems to be an easy target and I will rob them. And the person she finds at this mall, which happens to be kind of an upscale mall, is a 66 year old woman named Susan Leeds. And Ms. Leeds was in her SUV and she was stabbed 17 times. And she was robbed, I should say. This happened in May of 2018. And police initially thought, well, this is a random. This is just random, random violence. Part of the world we live in. And they even arrested a homeless man for her death. But he was quickly released because there was no evidence. Pretty early on, there was some evidence pointing towards Ms. Townsend. I think the most interesting piece of evidence is underneath Ms. Leed's vehicle. They found a phone and they assumed this must be the victim's phone. But then they turn it on and it has pictures of Ms. Townsend. It's her phone. It was left at the scene. So she also is released relatively early on. But then prosecutors fear they can't make the case, and so they release her, at which point she files a lawsuit against them. You know, discrimination, false arrest, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

A (15:23)

False imprisonment, defamation, racial discrimination, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Because this Sherry Townsend was an. Is an African American woman. So she's saying they're being racist, you know, because they found my phone under this car of a murder victim. And that's why they're talking.

B (15:40)

One of. One of the detectives who worked on the case said, quote, she had the audacity knowing that she killed this woman to file a lawsuit.

A (15:49)

Well, you know, given all the decisions that came up to that point, I. I think it's safe to say that this is not a very bright person.

B (15:55)

Yes. Didn't want to embarrass her child. Was. Was a guil. Find me.

A (15:59)

No.

B (15:59)

So later, the investigation is reopened. There's even found to be security camera footage showing Ms. Townsend walking up to Ms. Leed's vehicle and then running away with mislead's purse. So she. She's recently been convicted.

A (16:22)

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A (19:48)

Yeah, she's an evil, terrible person who deserves to rot in prison. Because this woman that she killed also sounds like a delight. It sounds like this devastated Susan Leeds husband. The fact that she was taken in this violent manner and this is also your daughter can go to some stupid cheerleading camp. I mean like first of all get a job and if it's too expensive, then unfortunately then that's just life, you know. But as you said, if this woman had the ability to set up a GoFundMe, I think a lot of people would understand that you're trying to provide a nice thing for your daughter. They're not going to judge that. And if they do, then whatever, like, don't hurt people to get money.

B (20:29)

There's no shame in asking for help if you need it.

A (20:32)

No.

B (20:33)

I think a lot of people are reluctant to ask for help, whether out of shame or what have you. But the fact is, I think every one of you listening to the sound of my voice right now at some time or another in your life have needed help from someone else. We've all been there. There's nothing wrong with it.

A (20:53)

I think most people would be more reluctant to hurt somebody physically to get money. I think that's a line most people won't cross. And I think the fact that this woman, it just shows how twisted her priorities are. And additionally then filing a lawsuit where she proclaims that she's the ultimate victim of this situation is also very telling.

B (21:17)

She took her shot.

A (21:18)

Yeah, gotta take your shot. You know, I guess it was just, oh, you know, the evil racist cops are coming after me when my phone was found under the car, and I did it.

B (21:27)

And I'm, I'm, I'm also always struck. And I always hate to, like, point out, like, oh, they did something really stupid here, because you don't want to really educate people on how to more effectively commit murders. But I think at this point, don't we all know it's a bad idea to do Google searches for things related to the crime you're planning? Yeah, she's like, Googling about how to get fake credit cards and a Walmart check and, no, she was texting her.

A (21:57)

Son'S football coach about getting a fake ID and then Googling about Walmart.

B (22:03)

Now, isn't that embarrassing? Because I don't think it's embarrassing to set up a GoFundMe if you need help.

A (22:09)

I don't think it is either, but.

B (22:11)

I think it would be. If you're my mom and you're texting my coach saying, hey, how can I get a fake id that's gonna embarrass.

A (22:19)

Me Also, like, can I just be honest? I'm not trying to be like, like, I feel personally when you have, like, everyone's running with this angle of the cheerleading competition and the cheer camp. I, I, when I see stuff like that, I'm, I'm inherently skeptical because I, I, I think there's an element of, like, oh, it's, it's more sympathetic to say that I was doing it for my daughter. I was brutally stabbing a woman in her 60s multiple times for my daughter because I wanted my daughter to have the best. I think that sounds way better than I'm just a scumbag who thinks I life owes me something, so I'm gonna go around and hurt people to get money. I mean, I, I, I, maybe she was desperately trying to raise money for the. They're also just something about it just strikes me as very like a specific narrative that the defense set out or the specific narrative that kind of just happened to tie everything together. Like I just, like you don't just come. A lot of people have money struggles. A lot of people, I mean, gosh, right now, like money is, is tight. I think a lot of people are in the same boat of like we're all trying to like scrounge and make sure we're doing okay. And, and it's very upsetting and disappointing to feel like you're coming short to not meet your kids goals or needs. If they want to pursue cheerleading, you want to be able to pay for that. I get that. But to cross the line into violence, that just doesn't sit right with me in the sense of like that just seems like kind of an excuse at some point.

B (23:46)

So you're drawing a line in the sand against violence.

A (23:49)

No, I'm saying that this sounds like something that like, you know, is what we're running with as far as a narrative goes. But it also just like I don't think that this was, I, I really doubt that this was like a functioning, you know, non dysfunctional adult going through life who just was like, oh, I want this cheer camp so bad for my daughter that I'm just gonna kill somebody. Like I, I feel like there was probably some stuff going on here that were like red flags before this, that.

B (24:14)

This was, have I, have I talked about Lex Luthor's hair on the show?

A (24:17)

No, go ahead. I know maybe you have, but do it again.

B (24:20)

Because to me, what, what you are describing there is what I would sum up as a Lex Luthor hair moment. So what I mean when I say that. So in the old comic books from like 1960 or so, it is revealed that when Lex Luthor and Superboy were young, they were really good friends. And then one day, Lex Luthor is doing a laboratory experiment and Superboy sees smoke coming out of the lab. He blows it out. And as a result of that lab accident and Superboy's intervention, Lex Luthor loses all of his hair. And he blames Superboy for that and then turns evil. And we could talk about Symbolic things there about, you know, the loss of your hair is the loss of virility. But still, the basic thing is, if you turn evil, if your entire personality changes because you lose your hair, I mean, that's just stupid. It's a stupid thing. The story is stupid unless you look at it in a different way. And the way I look at it is him losing his hair was not the reason he became the evil villain who would bedevil Superman in future years. It was the excuse. And if it wasn't the hair, something else would have happened to reveal that side of his personality. It was inevitable. The hair was just an excuse. Does that make sense?

A (25:58)

It does.

B (25:59)

And so in this case, I would say that the cheerleading competition was just an excuse. If it wasn't for that, something else would have come up that she would have thought she needed money for.

A (26:11)

I also think she's a scumbag, because that excuse also inherently blames her own daughter. Like, I mean, if I were that kid, I'd be like, wow. So my interest in cheerleading prompted my mom to kill somebody and go to prison? Like. Like, it. It puts it. It on the onus of this, on a child, on her own child, in a way that I find really reprehensible.

B (26:33)

And I guess the reason why she couldn't do the Gofundme was that she didn't want to embarrass the girl.

A (26:38)

Yes.

B (26:38)

All the girls.

A (26:39)

So, yeah, now. Now drag the girl through all the headlines. It's horrible. I mean, what a horrible person. But I. I just think I'd like to. I'd like to get my hands on that lawsuit and maybe go through it, because I think it. There's something really inherently bizarre, but also kind of amusing about someone murdering someone and then thinking, I'm gonna shoot my shot with a civil lawsuit instead of just being glad that, like, I got out of it. Like, there's just. I. I don't know. It looks like when I talked about, like, her being dysfunctional, when I look her up, it doesn't seem to be, like, a criminal history that I can tell. But I. I don't think. I don't think everybody who's capable of committing murder has a criminal history. And I think there's ways that someone could be dysfunctional that are not necessarily against the law, but, you know, can kind of come up later and be like, someone can be a ticking time bomb. Especially, like, if there's, like, a sense of entitlement, if there's a sense of, like, I'm gonna. I don't really care about other people. I'm just gonna get money for myself, you know? And listen, some of the things that she was talking about doing were not violent, like scamming Walmart and one up, whatever. But, like the escalation, going to your Lex Luthor point, I don't. The only thing I disagree with is I don't think any of this stuff is inevitable. I think it's more of people make very bad choices, and that is what leads. That's the difference between someone who is just struggling or dysfunctional in their own way, in their own quiet way, and someone who ends up exploding out and hurting others. That's the difference. It's choices. Like, you might have someone in a similar situation who's really struggling and is like, man, I wish I could just mug somebody right now. And they just choose not to because they. They don't want to get in trouble or they realize it would bring more shame on their family or whatever. They just don't do it. But then someone chooses to, and then they find themselves in this situation. So I think for me, that's the. It's choices. It's choices, except in the case of people who are dealing with a diagnosed mental illness. And that's less of a choice and more of something where unfortunately that person is along for the ride for their illness to a certain extent in certain instances. And that's a different scenario, but in other cases, it's just bad choices.

B (28:44)

With that said, why don't we reverse course, go all the way back to Indiana where you, Anya Cain, the proprietress of the Cain train, have dictated that we go next. And I also note, as long as we're going to the Hoosier State, your woman is, fair to say, has no interest whatsoever in football in any way, shape or form. Yet you were delighted. You were delighted this last week when Indiana University, an institution you have no connection to, beat Ohio State to win the Big Ten championship.

A (29:20)

I'm the spouse of a proud alumnus, so, I mean, it's not that I have nothing to do with the Indiana Hoosiers. I. I'm been very excited to see them do so well in football this year. I kind of weirdly got into it. You weirdly got into it, too. We were, we were both pretty nervous the other day before they won the Big Ten thing. We were both like, oh, are they going to do it? And then they did, and we were like, yay. I thought Fernando Mendoza's little thing afterwards where he was giving all the glory to God was adorable. And I was like, oh, these Hoosiers. I love them. I'm very happy for them. So go Hoosiers.

B (29:54)

But we're such huge football fans.

A (29:57)

I don't understand football.

B (29:58)

We didn't even know the game was being played, and the game was being played in Indianapolis. And on that same day, we were appearing at a fair, an author's fair, in downtown Indianapolis. And I said, well, let's just drive through downtown Indianapolis to get to our next destination. But the place was packed with football fans. We had no idea. We said, what's going on?

A (30:22)

Here's the thing. Like, I'm never gonna be so into football that I'm, like, spending a lot of time on it. But it's this. This year's, like, the only year where I've ever really cared about, like, checking in and be like, are we still winning? Okay, good. You know, so that's. This is a pretty big shift for me. I don't know what's happening to me where I'm becoming interested in football, but it's great. I mean, I love. I love seeing them do so well, and I.

B (30:45)

You think next year you won't care when they toss the old pig skin around?

A (30:48)

No, I think I will. I think I've been. I. Like an underdog story. IU traditionally was, according to people who are aware of the situation, not considered to be a very good football school. So the fact that they've been dominating this year has been really fun to see. And, of course, we're from Indiana, and you went to iu, so I feel like. I feel like.

B (31:07)

So you're like. You're like a leather head now. They call football pants. They used to wear, like, leather helmets.

A (31:13)

What are you. Are you okay? You say all sorts of weird things today. I don't. I don't. I'm not sure. Leatherhead. That sounds like a villain or something. That sounds like a monster from a movie, that leather face. I don't know. I, I, I. I'm just. I'm proud of them. Good job to the IU team and, you know, go Hoosiers. That's all I have to say.

B (31:35)

I have to say I consulted a physician, and he told me, it sounds to me, sir, like your wife has a bad case of Hoosier hysteria. Because you're such a huge fan now.

A (31:48)

And you're excited, so you went to, like, a Victorian doctor about me who diagnosed your wife with hysteria. Hysteria.

B (31:55)

Who's your.

A (31:56)

That's gonna age well. That looks really good, Kevin. Do you know 70% of our listeners are female, and they're all shaking their heads right now. Yeah, hysteria. Literally, you know. Yeah, Very, very. I'm married to a very sexist man.

B (32:16)

They call it Hoosier hysteria when you enjoy. Oh, that. That's. I'm looking it up. Hoosier hysteria is the intense excitement for basketball.

A (32:26)

Yeah. I mean, that doesn't make any sense. And also, hysteria comes from the Greek word for uterus, so it's very gendered. And. Yeah. Indiana University is known as a basketball school, I think, like, in terms of, like, that being the sport that everyone cares about.

B (32:40)

So it sounds like you're putting a call out for all of our female listeners to, like, yell at you. To boycott the show.

A (32:46)

No, to yell at you specifically. To come and give him the what for and shake your fingers at my husband because he's.

B (32:56)

Why don't you just.

A (32:57)

Yeah, like what? You derailed the cane train as usual, and I don't know why. So Indiana. We're going back to Indiana, and we're actually going back to a place where we have spent quite a lot of time over the years, and that is Carroll County. So this all dates back to April 5, 2023. Carroll County Sheriff's office deputies go to a Carroll county property on in Burrows. And there's the response. There's a call about an infant who maybe was choking, was unresponsive. The deputies were deputy Drew Yoder and deputy Corey Baines. They were the initial responders. And this is what the probable cause affidavit says. Quote. As deputy Yoder was exiting his vehicle, a male identified as Michael Medeiros came running toward him with a small child in a diaper. The baby was limp and not responsive. His breathing was labored and shallow. Deputy Yoder made sure his airway was open and gave him a slight sternum rub to attempt to get him to respond. The baby's eyes were rolled back in his head. First responders then arrived on the scene. There was an oxygen mask placed on the baby. The baby's breathing started to pick up. His eyelids fluttered, and then he went limp again. Carroll County EMS then arrived, and the baby was handed over to them and placed in the back of the ambulance. One responder entered the back of the ambulance, and he said he shook the baby, referring to the father, Michael Medeiros. Deputy Baines then spoke to Michael Medeiros. Michael stated that the baby had been crying, so he changed his diaper and the baby continued to cry. He said he fixed bottle for the baby. He gave the bottle to the baby and placed the baby in his crib, propped up with a blanket and the bottle. Michael said he ran upstairs to check on the other kids, and when he came back down, the baby was slightly blue in the face and seemed to be choking. Michael picked up the baby and began pushing on his stomach in hopes to get whatever he was choking on out. 911 was then called. Deputy Baines also spoke to the father's girlfriend, Kayla Britton. She showed deputy Baines the bottle the baby was using. Deputy Baines observed the bottle, which was about half full. He turned it over and approximately a few drops came out of the bottle. End quote. Okay, so this, this is obviously a situation, you know, incredibly serious. A baby's in significant distress. That that little baby boy was sent to Riley children's hospital. And at this point, Carol county prosecutor's office investigator Steve Mullen gets involved. Yes, that is the same Steve Mullen from the deli murders case. He was the deli chief of police, then became the investigator for the prosecutor's office, now is once again the deli chief of police. And he's someone who's very respected within law enforcement in, within the Carroll county community and you know, works on a lot of different cases. And yeah, he's by all accounts a very, very nice man. And we actually, you know, he's, he's a person who is in our book that we wrote about the Delphi murders case, Shadow of the bridge. So he gets involved. He's looking into this because, you know, you have to take that seriously. When a baby is in that much distress, Something like that can be due to an accident or some kind of natural situation where no one's to blame, or it can be due to someone hurting the baby. So he talks to the deputies and he, he Department of child services gets involved. DCS tells Mullen that the baby was in surgery and that the baby had received a subdural hematoma on the brain. And here's where we go. Quote, Investigator Mullen then spoke with Dr. Leah Garvin at the pediatric unit at Riley hospital by phone. She advised that they had discovered subdural hemorrh. Hemorrhage, brain bleed caused by some sort of trauma. She stated the subdural hemorrhage could not have been self inflicted by the baby or from other internal stress. She stated a team of doctors would review the baby's injuries and determine more precisely the nature, status and possible causes of the injuries. End quote. Mullen then goes and talks to Medeiros. Medeirus claims this whole thing about the putting him in his crib, propping up the bottle and denies causing any injuries. Mullen basically says, well somebody injured the baby, so if not you, then who else could have done it? Medeirus claims, you know, no one. And his girlfriend Kayla Britton couldn't have done it. Doesn't think they were done intentionally. Of course the evidence is showing something different in this situation. And yeah. So Mullen then talks to Kayla Britton. Quote, she gave him the same account that Michael had given. She stated she was at the residence until RM and then left to go to Delphi. She stated that LS came over to the residence to stay with Michael because he doesn't do well with kids. Kayla stated that she brought the bottle with a nipple that was too fast flowing. She advised that Michael use the bottle with the baby. Investigator Mullen asked her about the subdural hemorrhage and she stated she knew nothing about it. She stated when she arrived at that residence, Michael was trying to revive the baby. She had no explanation of how the baby's injuries occurred. End quote. Now what happened was both of them were arrested because the trauma occurred to this baby while he was in the care and custody of both of them. And they were charged with two counts. One, neglect of a dependent resulting in a catastrophic injury and two, neglect of a dependent resulting in serious bodily injury. From there there was Kayla was at first represented by Christina M. Phillips. She res withdrew her appearance due to a conflict of interest. And then Lori S. James came in to be her attorney. Emma Duras was represented by Patrick Manahan, who's a well respected local attorney there, as well as Kendra G. Lin. And you know what Happened was on November 4, 2025, Kayla Britton pled guilty. She pled guilty to neglect of a dependent resulting in serious bodily injury. She was sentenced to 10 years in the Department of Corrections, three years executed, seven years probation. She basically made a deal and part of that deal was she would get to serve, you know, transfer some of her non suspendable sentence from Carroll County Community Corrections to Miami county in Indiana and she would agree to testify truthfully against her co defendant Michael Medeiros. Medeiros himself went to trial. The jury was selected November 12th. First day of trial was the following day. Opening statements, all that and the trial went on until November 25, 2025. And now you probably. This may sound a little bit familiar to you because we recently had Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland on the program and he mentioned that this was a trial he did recently that he was dealing with while also dealing with frivolous complaint from Andrew Baldwin that he didn't even know about until after the trial was over. So this was the trial he was actually working on. And he apparently did a very good job because the jury deliberated talks about their deliberation starting at 11:20am on Nov. 5. They come back, everyone comes back around 2:18. And Medeiros is guilty on all counts. Judge Shane Evans declared him a habitual offender. Sentencing will take place on December 11th. So he will be sentenced prior to this episode coming out. But we are recording on the 9th, so we're going to miss that. He's looking at, you know, up to 60 years. I think maybe 28 to 60 is what we think. And just to be clear that this guy is very much a habitual offender. I found cases of his in Clinton County, Howard County, Cass County, a number of instances of him beating women. A case where his daughter talked about her, quote, daddy was on top of Kayla, Kayla Britton, his co defendant. And that, I mean, just, just a lot of terrible stuff. But one of them being in 2011, he was charged with failure to register as a sex or violent offender. And this is, this is a case where he was convicted or where he, I think, pled guilty to raping a young girl. So this is a guy who's just been in trouble with the law for an extensive amount of time. And now unfortunately, a baby who survived but was badly injured, you know, became the latest victim. So it's just interesting to see, you know, we all know about the Delphi case, Right? But it's a situation where crime doesn't stop, you know, and there's all these other cases that don't get as much attention but are still extremely devastating for those who are involved in them.

B (42:04)

Exactly. Well said.

A (42:06)

Yeah. So that was that. And I think now we're going back to California.

B (42:13)

Going back to California on your bizarre itinerary. We'll have lots of talks about this in our traditional post cheat sheet meeting. My sources for this are people.com, cBS News and forensicresources.org so this is the tale. The tale begins about a year ago. A guy Named Michael Virgil, 35 years old, he gets on a boat, a real Caribbean ship bound for Mexico. And he boards it with his fiance and his son, who is then seven years old. And then Mr. Virgil decides to have a drink. And then he decides to have another drink and another drink. And in a relatively short period of time, he is believed to have consumed at least 33 drinks, at which point, oh, my God. Obviously, I would imagine that consuming that much alcohol would have an effect on a person. He got very upset. He couldn't find his room. He's in a hallway, he's kicking at a door. He's shouting threats, saying he's going to kill people. Just a frightening situation. He is forcibly detained by security. By forcibly, I mean, they're, like, getting on top of him. They're medicating him forcibly with some hypos and other things to try to get him calmed. Haloperidol is what they actually gave him an injection of and multiple cans of pepper spray. He ends up dying as a result of all of this. And the Los Angeles County Medical examiner found his death was a homicide. Now, I want to stop there because, Anya, when a medical examiner determines that a death is a homicide, what does that really mean?

A (44:44)

Somebody else killed him?

B (44:46)

Yes. It doesn't necessarily mean that it is a murder. It means that something somebody did caused this death.

A (44:57)

Like, if I set a big trap to trap people for one of my serial heists, and, like, I put a bucket of stuff on a door, it was going to fall on the manager's head and. And incapacitate them while I stole the cereal, but it actually hit them in the head in a way that killed them. You know, my intent wasn't necessarily. I would probably be charged with murder. Let's be real. I mean, I've done this so many times. I'm a habitual offender with this, so I guess that's a bad example, but it takes intent out of it, and it's just a. Did they kill themselves or did somebody kill them, or was it an accident?

B (45:31)

If you're out hunting with some friends and a friend of yours, even if they're completely sober and in their full senses, and they fire into a wooded area and they end up hitting somebody and killing them, that would be technically considered a homicide even if it wasn't a murder.

A (45:50)

Right.

B (45:50)

A murder would be an unlawful taking of life. When you say homicide, that's just a very neutral term. It doesn't mean anything nefarious.

A (46:00)

If police kill a bank robber who's opened fire on them, that's a homicide, but it's a justifiable homicide because they're responding to a dangerous situation and the person is armed and shooting at them. So.

B (46:11)

So I. I want to say all of this because just the fact that the death of Mr. Virgil was found to be a homicide in no way whatsoever suggests that the people who were detaining him or giving him the medication or what have you did something unlawful for which they or their company need to be punished? Maybe they did, I don't know. But what I'm saying is this determination in and of itself is a neutral fact.

A (46:43)

Okay.

B (46:44)

So Mr. Virgil's family is very, very upset. They're upset with the cruise line for serving him that huge number of drinks. And so they are suing over it.

A (47:00)

Okay.

B (47:00)

And saying that caused him to get into this state. There's some sort of an unlimited drink policy, they claim, and that's irresponsible. And that was ultimately what was responsible for Mr. Virgil bizarre behavior that led to his death. Okay, what's your take?

A (47:22)

I don't know. I mean, 33 drinks seems really excessive. I mean, I like, it's hard because, I don't know, like on the one hand, I kind of think you have personal responsibility for your own actions. And if, you know, maybe you shouldn't be drinking if you're going to be in a situation where you want to drink 33 drinks, maybe that's not a good choice for you. It seems irresponsible and like it creates kind of an atmosphere of chaos. If you have a company that's okay with serving somebody 33 drinks like that seems like over serving to me. But I don't think that, you know, it seems, I guess I can kind of understand where the family's coming from. On the other hand, I, I don't, I think this guy was totally out of control and I, I don't really think like charges should be brought against anybody who tried to detain him because it sounds like he would have hurt somebody in that state, running around doing what he was doing. So I guess, like, I don't support, I think it is homicide, but I don't, I don't think it's murder and I don't think anyone should be charged over it. But should the company be sued over its drinks policy if they have a policy that's leading to situations like this and the sense that like, everyone can just drink as much as possible? I, I don't know, it seems like a, a bad idea on their part. I, I don't, I don't know the legality of that. I don't know the legality about like, over serving and things like that and creating these environments. So I'm not going to weigh in on the legal aspects, but I can, I can kind of see like, I don't know.

B (48:49)

There was another incident, not quite so dramatic back in October of 2024. Where a 66 year old woman named Dulce White was on some sort of Taylor Swift themed cruise that was being offered by Royal Caribbean. She kept on getting lots of drinks despite the fact that she was extremely intoxicated. Some of her relatives speculated, well, maybe she did this because she wanted to get her money's worth.

A (49:18)

But she became that stupid attitude though.

B (49:21)

She ended up going overboard and dying. So her family is also suing.

A (49:28)

Yeah, like I, again, people make their own choices. It's a choice to drink, you know. I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a disease, you know, but I does not, it's not apparent to me that either of these people were actually alcoholics. You know, you can, you can do problematic things with alcohol and not be a full blown alcoholic.

B (49:45)

And you say that as someone who's a recovering alcoholic.

A (49:47)

I say as a recovering alcoholic. At the same time I'm sympathetic because I mean it's addictive. You, you know, even if it, even if you're not like a long term addict, maybe you get into a situation where you make some bad choices and the more you drink the worse your choices become usually. So it's like kind of hard to stop at some point. So I, I'm sympathetic with both of them and their families. It's, it seems, it seems to me like if this is a consistent thing that happens a couple times, like that is a problem and perhaps there should be some safety measures and then you're going to get other people who are going to get mad because they're going to be like, well I'm drinking responsibly and maybe that maybe a new policy affects me in a negative way and affects my enjoyment. Like I understand that it is, it is bad when you know, a couple bad incidents ruin it for everybody. But at the same time, like you're on a ship like this woman went overboard and died. I mean like it, putting people in a situation where they're going to be ex, this drunk on a ship in the ocean seems like a bad idea. Like, so I can kind of understand where the, where those lawsuits are coming from. I thought it was going to be a situation where they're going to be like calling for people to be arrested and stuff. And I was going to be like, no, like, like this guy was, this guy was like a problem that night.

B (51:03)

He was a threat, he was a.

A (51:04)

Threat to other people. That doesn't mean he's a bad guy. He was obviously out of his mind drunk. But you know, and it's really a sad thing that he Died. I mean, it's a horrible thing. I'm sure he was, you know, I'm sure he was a human being, Had a young son. He was a human being. He was a dad. He was. You know, he just made some bad choices that night and didn't deserve to die over it, but unfortunately, that is what happened. But the people on that ship had a duty to, like, stop him from doing what he was doing at the same time. And this, you know, this woman dying, it sucks. I mean, it just. It's. It's terrible. But, yeah, I mean, honestly, like, I think if they're just. There needs to be, like, a cutoff point, I would think. I mean, I'm almost surprised that there isn't. I mean, maybe. I don't know. I don't know what their policy is. Maybe in some cases, maybe it's a bartender making a mistake. I don't know. But it just seems like a really bad idea to be having that kind of environment on the. On the high seas.

B (52:00)

33 drinks seems to be a lot of drinks.

A (52:03)

I'm like, how does that happen? Like, you'd think at some point you get. You get cut off.

B (52:12)

I don't. I don't drink alcohol. I've never really drank alcohol at all because I don't like the taste. But I have a hard time even imagining drinking 33 cups of Mr. Pibb.

A (52:23)

Yeah.

B (52:23)

Which is a great drink.

A (52:25)

Yeah. No, I don't know. Like, again, there, I don't know all the facts of this. And it's possible that in their response, the cruise line will be able to clarify some things. So I'm not going to be like, oh, I'm jumping on to any conclusions here. Just from. From the face of it, if there's. If there's policies in place that allow for something like that and like, that's within policy, then that seems problematic. And alternatively, if there's. If this is against policy, but people are not trained correctly to deal with these situations, then that's also a problem. I'm not. I'm not saying legally. I don't know if they'd be on the hook for that or. I don't know what the laws would say, but I will say personally, like, that just doesn't seem like a safe environment.

B (53:07)

Well, we would definitely keep an eye on this. Anya, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this weekend we'll be making an appearance at our kitchen table, perhaps on our couch, watching television, but those aren't for the public.

A (53:23)

Wait, why are you.

B (53:24)

What we always talk about where we're going to be, and we're not going to be except here.

A (53:30)

We're going to be in our house.

B (53:31)

Please.

A (53:32)

Are you. Are you. Are you inviting me?

B (53:34)

I specifically said it wasn't for the public. These are private appearances by invitation only. God be sitting at our kitchen table. We'll be sitting in front of the television. Where else will we be making appearances over the weekend?

A (53:47)

Maybe the grocery store to pick up a few items for the week ahead.

B (53:52)

Perhaps might make a cameo appearance at a McDonald's. Those are always a treat for the kids.

A (54:02)

Oh, my. Make a cameo appearance on our. On our neighborhood sidewalk as we walk. Lanny. Yeah, no, it's been. It's been fun. It's been fun doing these events, though. It's been really a delight meeting so many of you. And thank you to everyone who came and just to all these events that we've done. It's been. It's been fun. We're both awkward introverts, so we were really nervous for a lot of it, but, like, it was just awesome. Like, everyone was so nice. We didn't have any bad, disastrous incidents. No one came and punched me in the face.

B (54:33)

Somebody said, I'm going to come to one of these book signings. I'm going to punch Anya right in the nose.

A (54:38)

And it was like, way to. Way to over commit, because that never happened. Now that you just look foolish.

B (54:48)

Another guy, he said he put this on Twitter.

A (54:51)

Oh, my God.

B (54:52)

By Twitter, I mean X. Oh, whatever he put on X, I'm going to surprise them. I'm going to come to this one specific event at this one specific time. And he outlined the tough questions he.

A (55:03)

Was going to ask, ambush us with questions that he posted on the Internet in advance.

B (55:07)

So there was no surprise because he publicly announces it and it doesn't even show up. And the questions were inane.

A (55:14)

Yeah, yeah, the questions were laughable. It's like, oh, yeah, we're really going to get stumped by these, like, really, really basic, basic things that you seem to fail to understand. But that doesn't mean it's hard for everyone else.

B (55:25)

Yeah, but. But none of those people showed up.

A (55:27)

I know. There's no drama. Everyone all just the nice people showed up. So it was great. I mean, it was a great experience. And we just want to thank you all for being a part of it. Thanks everyone who came. And, you know, we're. We were. We were really honored that so many people came out to see us. It really meant a hell of a lot to us. And I had a great birthday. Kevin had a birthday, you had the. Your. Some people came and gave you tributes. The event we were doing. And you know, just as a note, I mean, are we going to do our anecdote and then get into our special announcement?

B (56:04)

Isn't the anecdote the cherry on top of the. The week that was a cheat sheet?

A (56:11)

No, no, but you do the, you do the anecdote first and then the announcement afterwards. Isn't that usually how it works?

B (56:18)

I thought we tell the anecdote and.

A (56:22)

Then trust everyone to stick around and then we're done.

B (56:25)

That's it. I thought we gave our announcements and said, okay, you've sat through the announcements. Here's the anecdote.

A (56:30)

Well, there's a big announcement to make about Frank Sinatra's birthday.

B (56:35)

Yeah. Cause this is a special week because not only is it Frank Sinatra's birthday today as we speak, this is Frank Sinatra's birthday.

A (56:42)

It is currently Frank Sinatra's birthday and something else is happening.

B (56:46)

You're talking about. This is also the 100th birthday of Sammy Davis Jr. Earlier in the week. That's also very exciting.

A (56:52)

That's not what I was talking about.

B (56:56)

We wanted to make sure something special was done for the murdershirt sheet people on this special day, December 12th, Frank Sinatra's birthday. So if you're listening to this on another day, I apologize, it's too late. But if you're listening to it today, great news. A multinational corporation some of you may have heard of called Amazon today, to commemorate Frank Sinatra's birthday, is selling E editions of our book Shadow of the bridge for 1.99.

A (57:31)

So shadow of the Bridge, the Delphi Murders, and the Dark side of the American Heartline Heartland by Kevin and I are going to be Kindle's deal of the day as part of their great on Kindle gold box. So today only, the book is selling there for $1.99.

B (57:49)

Just the ebook edition.

A (57:50)

Just the ebook, but it's $1.99. So this is something where if you were on the fence about getting the book, now's the time to do it. If you have loved ones that were on the fence about getting the book, get it now. And if you don't mind, guys, this would mean the world to me personally and it would be so helpful. But if you don't mind, if you hop on there, get the link and post about it on your social media or text it to your friends or DM it or yell about it on a street corner in your hometown. That would be super helpful to us and it would mean a lot.

B (58:28)

And I'm sure your friends, your loved ones, you always sit around saying, what would be the best way to commemorate Frank Sinatra's birthday? And I say get out your CD of Songs for Swinging Lovers and order an ebook edition.

A (58:47)

Yes, it's a great deal. It's only for December 12, so that it's gone in an instant. But it is going to be. It's a super, super cool opportunity for us and for all of you. So get that ebook.

B (59:03)

So now I'll tell. We always finish with the anecdote. And I want to say right off top, it's not a good one. It's not an interesting one. It's one of those things that sounds at a distance like it might be interesting. If you're like a cow tee over from this story, you think that might be interesting. That sounds pretty good. I'll pull off the road for that. But no, you'd be making a mistake. It's not an interesting story. You've heard the story. It's not an interesting story, is it?

A (59:35)

I thought it was interesting.

B (59:37)

Well, I disagree. So I'm a very old person. I'm much, much, much older than you are, Anya. Is that correct? I don't want to say that, but it's true. I just had a birthday. I'm a much older man than you are.

A (59:57)

He's very depressed about his birthday.

B (59:59)

And so as a result of that, there was an extended period in my life when I did not know Anya, had no relationship with Anya. And if for some reason I knew of Anya, it would have been highly improper for me to have a relationship with her. So there's an extended period of my life when I didn't know you. You remember that?

A (60:21)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (60:23)

And so during that time, I'm sure it won't come to anyone's surprise, I did know some other ladies.

A (60:31)

Okay, why are you telling this in the most awkward way possible?

B (60:34)

This.

A (60:35)

Cut to the chase. Jesus, this is excruciating.

B (60:38)

Well, I'm telling the story about me and another woman. And. Does that make you uncomfortable?

A (60:43)

Not really. You had a life before me. And also, I think our listeners are not going to be like, what?

B (60:50)

You're just over explaining it's me and this other woman. And every woman I've ever dated is a wonderful woman because you never say anything negative about them. Because my attitude is, if you ever went out on a date with me, you're doing the Lord's work. God bless you. You put up with a lot. You're taking one for the team now.

A (61:09)

What does that say about me for marrying you?

B (61:12)

You're young, you're naive.

A (61:15)

Screw you.

B (61:18)

So in the late 90s, I'm a student at Indiana University. A woman I happen to be involved with, she happens to be black. And I mention that detail because it is crucial to the story. I'm out with her on the campus of Indiana University and there is. We encounter a rather unpleasant white person who is like handing out like pamphlets, basically saying everyone who isn't white is bad. And he makes it clear that I'm doing something very wrong by obviously being romantically involved with a black woman. So that's interesting. That wasn't really a romantic thing to do with my female friend. Later I mentioned this incident to a friend of mine and she tells me, oh, it turns out this person was actually featured. They did a story about him. And she showed me this story about this person going around spreading hate literature.

A (62:32)

On IU's campus because he's like some psycho white supremacist.

B (62:35)

Yes, yes. And then not long after that, I forget about the incident. And over July 4th weekend, 1999, this person's name is Benjamin Smith. Goes on a three day shooting rampage in Illinois and Indiana. He even ends up killing a person in Bloomington just outside a church. And the yard where that person is killed is also very close to an apartment where a friend of mine lives. So a person was basically killed in his backyard. So I had an encounter with a spree killer.

A (63:19)

You had a pretty close to when he went on his spree, right?

B (63:22)

Yeah, that's really.

A (63:24)

I find that chilling because it's like you like, I mean, few people have like some sort of encounter with a spree killer or a serial killer. Like, and also what's scary to me about this story is that he might have targeted you and that young woman just because you were in an interracial relationship at the time. So like that was the sort of thing that was like setting him off because he's a weird freak who, you know, I, I can't even imagine like letting hate into your heart that much that you like care about what other people are doing to that extent. And then also then taking that and being violent towards other people because they're from a different back. Like, I just don't understand that. Like, get a life. But obviously he didn't and he died in, in the process of, I think, his spree.

B (64:05)

Yeah, he killed himself.

A (64:07)

What a, what a piece of garbage. I mean, it's It's a horrible loss that people had to lose their life, lose their life to these. This loser. But it's, you know, like, I don't. I. It's. It's scary. But, yeah, this. I mean, like, people think of Bloomington as this kind of, you know, little college town, and it is, but there can be kind of these weird aberrations anywhere. You never know. You know, someone might have some kind of really wackadoodle beliefs or be a ticking time bomb of violence in any way. So it could happen anywhere afterwards. Were you, like, at all freaked out?

B (64:43)

Not really. I mean, nothing really happened. Would you have been free to.

A (64:49)

If I had attracted the ire of a man who then went on to kill, like, three people or no, two people and shot a bunch of people, then, yes, I would have been freaked out afterwards.

B (65:04)

I would have been freaked out. If he and I, like, get into an argument about cereals and they. He immediately goes and shoots up a grocery store. I would say, oh, maybe I went too far with my cereal remarks. But this is like, months later, right? It was just like, how.

A (65:22)

Like, when. When he kind of was going after you guys, did you just, like, hurry away or what happened? Yeah, yeah, that's. That's the thing to do in that situation. Well, I think it's. I would be freaked out.

B (65:36)

So it was just a very brief thing. And, yeah, I did a story about him on the public broadcasting, and so, yeah, it was. It was the same guy. Oh. And he said people used to hassle him for giving out the pamphlets because people.

A (65:53)

Because you're hassling people for being black or for being Asian or for whatever you're like, of course. Oh, he's the victim in this situation. People should just let him, you know, like, hand out his racist loser flyers and, you know, like, come on. Just this. That. What an. Sorry. Like. Well, I'm. I'm just. I'm sorry that people ended up, again, dying from. From running into this guy. I'm certainly glad you. You didn't run into him when he was on the actual spree. Yeah, I think it's scary. And your mom didn't know about this before I brought it up at. At Thanksgiving, so she was freaked out, too.

B (66:33)

It doesn't seem to me to be an interesting story because the encounter had nothing really to do with the crimes.

A (66:40)

The encounter was about how he didn't approve of you dating a black woman. So, yeah, it kind of did have to do with the crimes because his crimes were just being a racist, you know, And Going around and killing people who he didn't like.

B (66:53)

My impression was that he was, he was criticizing a lot of interracial things. A lot of people were. It wasn't like I was singled out.

A (67:02)

Right. But I'm saying it's the sort of thing that attracted his ire.

B (67:05)

Yeah.

A (67:06)

You know, it sounds like he was also anti Semitic. He, like he had, he had an issue with everybody. It almost sounds like he didn't like anybody. I know some of the people he shot were people of the orthodox Jewish faith. And you know, he killed an African American gentleman named Ricky Birdsong who was, I think, in front of his kids. God. And then killed Won Jun Yoon, who was a graduate student of Korean descent at Indiana University, who was on his way to church at the time. So it's a horrible, horrible case. But yeah, he was, he was targeting people who were different from him because, you know, I guess his life was so pathetic that he needed to believe that somehow he was superior based on his race, which is a stupid way of thinking. So, anything else with that?

B (68:04)

What are you going to do for Frank Sinatra's birthday tonight?

A (68:08)

I'm going to probably post a bunch of stuff about our Amazon Kindle deal of the day and then maybe we can jam out to Songs for Swinging Lovers. We could just blast that in our car and drive around the block and hang out and, you know, I don't know.

B (68:25)

You told me, you said Kevin, my favorite Sinatra movie. Was it Suddenly?

A (68:31)

Yeah, that was really good. He was amazing in that.

B (68:35)

You've loved him on Magnum PI I.

A (68:37)

Did love him on Magnum PI it's like a very heavy episode. But he was a really good actor.

B (68:44)

And Sammy Davis Jr. What a performer.

A (68:47)

Yes, I know you love him too. And he's also very talented.

B (68:50)

And his biographies, his autobiographies are better than you'd think.

A (68:54)

And he could do it all. He could dance, he could sing. He could do lots of different stuff too, and act. And so he, he was, he was very multi talented as well. Yes, I think you love him. And Frank Sinatra, I don't think you're as crazy about Dean Martin.

B (69:09)

Well, I'm not a Dean guy. Not a Pier Lawford man, not a Joy Bishop fanatic. I know you. You got in screaming matches with me because you love Joy Bishop.

A (69:22)

I, I haven't. I don't know who that is.

B (69:28)

You said Kevin, his dry monotone delivery, that completely sucks the joy out of things. It's wonderful. I can't live without it. But we digress.

A (69:38)

I never said that the amount of libel against me on this program, on my own podcast is just astounding. You're making me out to be some sort of Joey Bishop fanatic. I don't know who that is. You're acting like I'm driving a train. I don't know how to drive a train. People would die if I drove a train. I would. You're making me out to be a serial thief. I've even started using that as my examples in the show. You know, I'm just saying at some point I'm gonna have to make up a real doozy for you just to get revenge.

B (70:05)

I'd like to see you try. Yeah, push the button. Thanks so much for listening to the Murder Sheet. If you have a tip concerning one of the cases we cover, please email us@murdersheetmail.com if you have actionable information about an unsolved crime, please report it to the appropriate authorities.

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