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Anya Cain
I'm Anya and today on the Cheat Sheet, we're going to be covering a range of cases from North Dakota, Nevada, Virginia and Texas. Content Warning this episode contains discussion of masturbation as well as murder and violence, including the murder of children and suicide.
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Kevin Greenlee
So I I I wanted to to say Anya, first of all, I may be getting a cold, so if if I do anything stupid today that I have an excuse. And and also, this show is built on trust. Usually we don't really talk to each other beforehand about what cases we're doing other than oh, what do I need to put in the content warning what's a good word for a title but I just want to put on the record here at the beginning. This morning as we walked our dog, I gave you a few of the details about this last case, the one that necessitated the masturbation warning. And you said, kevin, we Gotta do it.
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Anya Cain
Yeah.
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Kevin Greenlee
So it's not my fault, is all I'm saying. Oh, it's your fault if you hate it. It's not my fault if you love it. Certainly I get credit for presenting it to you.
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Anya Cain
Oh, my God, this guy is so full of himself. Shall we move on?
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Kevin Greenlee
Sure.
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Anya Cain
My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.
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Kevin Greenlee
And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.
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Anya Cain
And this is the Murder Sheet.
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Kevin Greenlee
We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We're the Murder Sheet.
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Anya Cain
And this is the Cheat Sheet Cheerleaders and charges.
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Kevin Greenlee
It.
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Anya Cain
I'm sorry, you just, like, coughed over the intro song. Is that. Is that. Is that your new, like, signal to the Kevin. The Kevin people?
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Kevin Greenlee
Like, I specifically notice you're gonna cough
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Anya Cain
over a different note each time, and then the notes spell out a code.
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Kevin Greenlee
I specifically note I may be getting sick. Who?
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Anya Cain
Who. What's your excuse?
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Kevin Greenlee
All the other times, who infected me with this virus?
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Anya Cain
Who.
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Kevin Greenlee
Who is to blame? Well, who's to say?
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Anya Cain
I know I infected your heart with a love virus.
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Kevin Greenlee
So. So, Anya, when Mr. And Mrs. Cheat Sheet wake up this morning, what state has the cane train deposited them in?
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Anya Cain
They've been dumped unceremoniously in several. We're going from North Dakota.
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Kevin Greenlee
The first day, the first date. We wake up this morning. This is the first stop.
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Anya Cain
I guess we're starting out in North Dakota, then North Dakota.
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Kevin Greenlee
Bismarck is a city in North Carolina. We're not going to Bismarck, but that is a city.
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Anya Cain
We're going to Fargo. This is. Both of my cases are extremely upsetting and dark. I think you often pick. The more, you know, you pick some dark cases, too, but you also do ones that are more silly. But I am, you know, beholden to our listeners, and I really appreciate both of our listeners who recommended this week's episodes. One of them has been kind of keeping us apprised in the Facebook group of this one case. And that's where we're going to start today. So, again, this is the case of 25 year old Isadora Wengel. This is a young woman who went missing. Her family reported her missing. Now police believe she was murdered by her boyfriend, 21 year old Joshua Alexander Hite. He was arrested on February 10, 2026. So this valley News Live article has some good information and kind of gets into the case and whatnot. It sounds like Wangle and Height were dating since August, and he. So the timeline. Let's get into the timeline a bit. She was apparently reportedly last physically seen at a Walmart in Fargo on January 3rd at about 5:05pm Then her family reported her missing on January 7th. Alexander Rather, Joshua Height, was arrested February 10th. So it's been a while since she was gone. This is his story. He claims that they had an argument on January 4th because he was trying to break up with her. His story was that he then subsequently, on January 5th in the morning, dropped Wengel off at her residence in West Fargo. But surveillance footage obtained by investigators proved this was a lie. She was not in the vehicle. And investigators also then searched his apartment in Fargo. They found some very disturbing pieces of evidence, including a sawzall blade that had traces of apparently human bones, skeletal muscle and tissue. And the DNA profile of that matched Wingle. And they also found plastic sheeting, bloody gauze, and a bathroom mat, which all had DNA evidence on it. Those were taken. They found a receipt from Home Depot showing that Height door dashed a sawzall, plastic sheeting, trash bags and other items to his apartment on January 4, the day after Wengle was last physically seen and the day he claimed that they just simply had a fight. So all of this leads police to believe that Wengle is dead. It is very upsetting and horrible for her family. Height is now charged with felony murder, class aa. Felony murder, specifically is what's listed in the article, as well as things like providing false information to law enforcement and tampering with physical evidence and. Yeah, I mean, it's just no one wanted this. When you have a missing person's case, you always are hoping that the person is alive, regardless of what occurred.
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Kevin Greenlee
Yes, obviously.
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Anya Cain
And when you have something so gruesome and so horrible, you know, presumed to happen to this young woman, it's just a huge tragedy for her community, for her family, for people who loved her. And what a nightmare to have to wait this long to kind of get to the point where they kind of have an idea of what happened to her. So now there's been some legal wranglings. Judge Constance Cleveland, as of today, is the judge on the case. We're recording this on February 18th from what I could find. That's what. That's what it says. And so they have. His defense team has requested that she be disqualified. It's not really clear why they're asking for that. He's represented by Nicole Bredal and Jamie Schaebel. Sorry if I'm saying their names wrong. This is. They're from the Barkus law firm, but I don't know why they want her Disqualified. There's all kinds of reasons that could be. There could be, like, you know, possible things where they're saying there's a conflict of interest or, I mean. I mean, like, there could be literally anything, right, Kevin?
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Kevin Greenlee
Yes.
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Anya Cain
Now, Fargo investigators are still looking for Wengle, and they have an idea of what specifically they're looking for. And that is a black tote, So a black storage box. They say it has a red lid, and it's about 27 gallons. They believe that that was used to possibly dispose of her. So I think that's what they think her remains are in. They're looking in Fargo, Moorhead, or in Minnesota, in Ottertail county, and specifically within Otter Tail County, Battle, Lake, Underwood, Elizabeth, and Fergus Falls. If you're in those areas and you see a tote, you see a storage box, especially with the. With the red lid and the black component of the box, then you should call Fargo Police at 701-451-7660. I think it's really important to. For them to find Isadora and get her body back to her family. And it also would provide even further evidence in this case against height. So, obviously, a very grim and sad update, and our hearts go out to Isadora's family. I mean, what a horrible thing and a horrible thing for the Fargo community for something like this to happen there. So that's what happened in North Dakota. Now we're going to go to Nevada,
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Kevin Greenlee
and this is the first of several trips to Nevada, because would I be remiss if I failed to mention that we will be in Nevada in a little less than 100 days? Yeah.
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Anya Cain
Isn't that wild? Is this coming up fast? So we're going to Crimecon?
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Kevin Greenlee
Yes. This would be the first time I've been in Las Vegas since they closed the Coca Cola Museum. Wow. Have I told you about the Coca Cola Museum? They used to have there. There was a room you would walk into and, like, Coke would be, like, shooting all over the place. Like, up on the ceiling. You just look up and see it. It was like the Sistine Chapel of soda. That's close. So I don't mean to get people's hopes up. You can't go there. You can't see it unless you have a time machine. And that would probably upset the space time continuum and maybe destroy the universe. So it's probably not worth it. But it was an amazing site.
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Anya Cain
You could recreate the effect by putting, I guess, Coke in. In, like, water guns and shooting it across your ceiling or something.
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Kevin Greenlee
You'd said No.
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Anya Cain
I did say no. Feels like that. That's how you get ants.
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Kevin Greenlee
We talked. We've been talking about doing, like, YouTube stuff and that. I think Anya shooting coke at the ceiling. I'd watch especially if a hat was involved. But tell them about CrimeCon.
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Anya Cain
So CrimeCon is going to be in Las Vegas. Let me actually click on. So it's from May 29th to the 31st. And if you go onto our website@murdersheetpodcast.com discounts, you'll see this as well. And that is also linked in all of our show notes. The show notes are the things that, like, when you click on the episode, this text below the title, that's the show notes. Some people apparently did not know that. So if you use code M, not M sheet. If you use code Murder sheet, then you will get 10% off your standard crimecon badges. And you should come and hang out with us because we really enjoyed last time. I was blown away by how awesome Crime Con was. I'm a true believer now. I, like, I didn't know what to expect. You know, it's a new thing. I figured we'd meet a lot of cool people, but you're also a little nervous. Like, oh, are people gonna be nice? People are so frickin nice. It is such a positive and just like, I don't know, like, compassionate environment. Like, I really. I don't. I. It's. I'd always heard people say that and like, victims families say that. And I'd be like, okay, that's great. But then I experienced it myself and I'm like, yeah, I'm. I'm. I love CrimeCon, so I really hope to see some of you guys there. Last time we went, we were like. We. Our table, like, had nothing on it. We didn't know what we were doing. So we're gonna try to be more prepared this time.
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Kevin Greenlee
Yeah. You've been telling me you're gonna have a special spring hat for each day of the event. There's no hats, so come. Be sure to see Anya. Each day is. She debuts a different bonnet. See, now I've said it.
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Anya Cain
I'm just. I just don't even.
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Kevin Greenlee
So if you don't do it, if you don't do it, you're gonna let everybody down.
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Anya Cain
Yeah, well, I guess I'm gonna let everybody down at Crime Cut. And it's such a compassionate environment. No one will tell me that. Although that would be really funny. If we go to crimecon, people start coming up to the table and be like, you really let me down and I'll have no idea what you're talking about. But it would be a deep cut and I'd respect it. Well, it probably set off my, like, fight or flight mode, too.
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Kevin Greenlee
What?
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Anya Cain
Anyways, so we hope maybe to be
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Kevin Greenlee
safe, just wear the bonnets. But let's go.
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Anya Cain
Maybe I don't need to do that because I'm not going to look ridiculous. So. Yeah. So this is. Yeah. So you guys, have. You come and hang out with us. It'll be great. And you can get a little discount if you're going to come, you know, might as well get the discount. Save some money. It's a lot of every. I think everyone I know is kind of trying to, like, cut back on their spending and save some money here and there. So this is.
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Kevin Greenlee
And one thing you can do with the money you save, buy a hat. And like, everybody who comes to see Anya would also have their own little spring bonnets. What a sight that would be.
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Anya Cain
This is one of those things he's going on, and then, like, tonight we'll be eating dinner and he'll be like, did I. Did I say. Did I talk too much about the bonnets? Did I overdo that?
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Kevin Greenlee
Well, I may be getting a cold. And I explained that at the top of the show. Why don't you talk about the case?
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Anya Cain
There we go. So this is another case that was suggested by a listener. And my heart went out to this fellow, and I appreciate him reaching out to us. And he proposed it because he's a cheer dad. So he is the father of some kids who are involved in cheerleading. And this case really hit home, I imagine, for him and for other parents in the cheerleading and cheer community. So sources for this one are KTNV, Channel 13, Fox 5 Vegas, and KSL. And also the New York Post had what was in exclusive interview with the alleged perpetrators mother that was also kind of enlightening. So I also. I'm citing that one. I. I don't know about you, Kevin. Cheerleading was never really a big thing when I was growing up in my community. Like, we didn't have a cheerleading team on in our school. I think there had been one, but they got banned because of underage drinking. So cheerleading was not, like, integral to me, me growing up. But I know in many places it's a huge thing. It's a. It's a thing where people get involved as kids and it's competitive, and it's truly a sport unto itself. I mean, I think sometimes people deride it as though you're just root on the football team. But no, I mean the athletics that these kids are pulling off are truly impressive and very much, I think, their own thing. Am I the only one who gets kind of frustrated shopping online sometimes? Like, how am I supposed to remember a hundred different logins and passwords for a hundred different websites? And people wonder why I'm known for opting for serial heists.
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Anya Cain
Was it, was it a big thing where when you were growing up in
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Kevin Greenlee
Columbus, I mean, not that I can remember, but I wasn't really like a sports guy.
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Anya Cain
You weren't a sports guy, so yeah, you were not a sports guy. I think it's just, you know, there's these, you know, competitive sports or competitive activities or whatnot that kind of start in childhood and then there's almost like a whole subculture around that, you know, the kids are involved, the parents get involved and it can be very, very positive thing for, you know, kids to kind of get involved in that stuff and all of that. So I think, you know, that's kind of the context of some of this when we're talking about cheering. It's very much its own sport. It's very much, you know, that kind of thing. So this is unfortunately, I mean, this is just so awful. This is a very horrible tragedy involving a mother, mother and daughter. And we, we need to go Back to Sunday, February 15, 2026 and 38 year old Tanya McGeehan and 11 year old Addie Smith. That is a mother and daughter. So Addie Is, is a Tanya's daughter. And they are at the Rio, the Rio Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada. And they are visiting from West Jordan, Utah. And they're not just there for fun. They're there for a cheer competition that was set to take place in Orleans Arena. Addie competed on the Utah Extreme Cheer Team. So she was doing this competitively. 11 years old and they were there for this competition. Now that morning they did not show up for the competition and that became very concerning to other people involved on their team who knew them. And I can imagine, like you're at this thing and you know, you're expecting all your teammates to be there, one of them's not there, that's going to set off red flags. That's not something someone's just going to miss. And what happens is they, the, the people involved contact. They ended up getting Las Vegas Metropolitan Police to go to the room around 10:45am on Sunday for a welfare check. Now, they knocked several times. They called into the room and did not receive a response. But law enforcement says that they didn't see anything else suspicious about this. Like no signs of force entry, no. No other kind of clues to go on. So they left and advised the security team on what they had seen. So can you talk about that? Because I think that really frustrates people when law enforcement is in this situation and they're kind of like, why didn't they bust down the door? Why didn't they check sooner? Why did people, you know, what, what happened with that?
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Kevin Greenlee
You don't want law enforcement just breaking into people's residences or where people are staying unless you have a very good reason you don't want. Otherwise you'd have a situation where law enforcement is invading people's rights willy nilly just on hunches.
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Anya Cain
Here's the thing. I think there's, there's situations that can happen in our system, under our system of, of rules and laws and whatnot that can feel less than ideal or can feel like, oh, I wish they'd done this. Not that, but the alternative is significantly worse. Because the alternative is basically like authoritarianism where the police can do whatever they want, whatever they want, and just bust down your door for no reason. So unfortunately, while you kind of, maybe some of us want police to be aggressive on welfare checks and you know, do something or another, if they're not hearing screaming inside, if they're not hearing sounds inside, if they're not, you know, there's no indication that a crime has been committed, then they should not be busting in anywhere, even a hotel, you know, where someone has some privacy in their room. Right, right. Okay. So they still aren't showing up. And so basically this kind of story almost starts circulating within their, within their group. Family members, people who know them are posting on social media like, what's happening? And the security team at the hotel ends up going up to the room around 2:30pm Several hours later, they enter the room. Now the security team, I imagine it's a bit of a different situation where they're not. It's their hotel. I mean, they work for the hotel. The hotel saying, we need to look into this so they can get more aggressive at that point and kind of like take the consequences. As, you know, they're hearing from all these people saying, where are these ladies? So I, I imagine there's also a bit of a concern about what's going on. They go in, they locate two bodies, and they immediately back out and call 91 1. Las Vegas police comes back and they start an investigation. They find the two bodies and they also find a note. And what they believe happened now is that McGeehan murdered her daughter Addie and then died by suicide. So a murder, suicide is what they think happened here. And I mean, what a horrible thing. So some background because, you know, I think a lot of people I've seen when they're talking about this case, it's like, what would prompt a mother to do that to their own child? Like, and honestly, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I leave that to the, to the psychologists, you know, I leave that to the people who, you know, understand what would go into any sort of like family annihilation type behavior. But we do know that there had been some problems before this in the sense that. So McGeehan had filed for divorce from Addie's father, Bradley Smith, on January 29, 2015. Their divorce was finalized in 2017. But unfortunately, there seemed to be issues that continued to arise. You know, you want a situation, what's best for the children in a divorce is parents who are respectful of one another, not badmouthing each other. That can be very detrimental to a child's self esteem when you're basically badmouthing the other parent. You want to have parents who are at least putting on, even if you're having issues, are not putting that on the child. And in this case in 2020, McGee had actually temporarily lost custody of Addie because she had, quote, you know, acted in ways that could alienate, end quote, Addie from her father. And then the court documents also accused her of committing domestic abuse in front of Addie in 2021. Then McGeehan had accusations of her own. She accused Addie's stepmother of recording the parent time exchanges, which she was not supposed to do. So this all kind of ultimately concluded in May, May 7, 2024, which is when Smith and McGeehan got joint legal custody and physical custody of Addie. They had a one week on, one week off schedule. So that's how it all came down. And you know, I mean, listen, though, the thing is, I will say about this is that, yeah, that. That include that that has some strife. And certainly the thing that really sets off a red flag for me is the. Is the allusion to McGeehan committing domestic abuse in front of Addie. Anyone who's doing violence, especially in front of a child, is someone who, you know, perhaps should not have that child, who should like, because that's just so beyond the pale and that's such a red flag. But without knowing more about what that whole instance was, it's just hard to say. But, you know, people do have messy divorces and they don't necessarily kill their children. There's some other interesting things that came out specifically in this New York Post article. They interviewed Connie McGeehan, who is Tanya's mother, and she claimed her daughter struggled with depression all her life. Again, a lot of people are depressed and they don't kill anybody, let alone their kids. So I don't know. You know, this is. This is information to take but also take with a grain of salt because, you know, I don't know like this. There could be more to this or other stuff going on. But she's. They. She said she was depressed, but she had no idea she was contemplating something like this. And she seemed like she'd been doing well lately. She said that Tanya had been living with her and in a kind of in a large home that she has and that Tanya was in good spirits heading out to Nevada for the cheer competition that she sent her like snaps of Addie doing backflips in their hotel at 5am on Sunday. So the morning of seemingly the murder suicide. And she said, though there was one picture that she got from them that where things didn't look right and she wondered if something had happened. So I don't know what that means or what she's alluding to there. Connie also went into detail about strife between Tanya and other members, other parents on this cheer team. And that seemingly has been confirmed by the New York Post's other sources within this sort of cheer community. But, you know, like, there was. There was strife about that. But again, like, there can be, like, a lot of stuff like that happens, and people don't kill somebody over it, let alone their child. So I just. The whole thing is just so bizarre. And I hope this doesn't get, like, exploited as some kind of, like, oh, crazy cheer parents are fighting with each other. I mean, whatever this is, it goes well beyond some depression or some drama or some bad feelings about a divorce. Like, whatever this is. I mean, this was not a safe parent for this child to be around. And it's extremely unfortunate that things got to this level. And I will be curious to know, were there. Were there red flags in the sense of, like, custody should have been taken away from this woman before she could do this to Addie, or is this something that truly just snuck up on everybody? And I don't know the answer to that. I'm just genuinely curious.
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Kevin Greenlee
Yeah, it's very upsetting.
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Anya Cain
You know, so currently now, there's a lot of blue ribbons in West Jordan, Utah, where Addie lived at least part of the time to remember her. And the whole thing is tragic. And I feel so sorry for not only Addie's family, but and for her. I mean, to have her life stolen away like this. But I also feel terribly sorry for the kids at this competition and on her team because I imagine this is something. This is a really hard thing to learn about at such a young age. But anyways, that's what happened in Nevada.
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Kevin Greenlee
Let's go to your alma mater state, the Old Dominion. The Old Dominion, as you like to call it. Od.
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Anya Cain
No, I don't call it that.
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Kevin Greenlee
W A V Y and W K. WTKR were my sources for this. And, you know, recently, Anya, you and I have been talking on this program about an Indiana case involving a young lady named Haley Busby. As part of the discussion about that case, her family is advocating for a certain bill to be passed and become law, Haley's Law. And it occurs to me that there are so many tragedies all over the country. At any time, a number of relatives of crime victims are trying to get past various bills into law. And those laws are known as this person's law or that person's law. And it might be interesting at some point to cover some of those, because I think many, if not all of those would be very helpful to pass. And the one I wanted to tell you about today is Lexi's Law. And as indicated, this comes from the state of Virginia. This involves a man named James King. James King has a history of violence. He actually was convicted of murder, I believe, in Ohio, and did 20 years for that. He killed the mother of a bride at a wedding he attended. After his release, he assaulted a woman in Virginia, and then, tragically, he killed Lexie Walters in 20 20. And he actually was given two life sentences. But as I say, he'd earlier served 20 years for murder. And so you may be thinking, well, this must not be a young man. And it's not. He's actually. I believe he's, like, 70 years old. And Virginia has a law that makes it easier for older citizens to get paroled. And in fact, they would come up for parole, I think, every few years. And so, because of his age, incredibly, just a few months after he was sentenced to two life sentences, the relatives of Lexi Walters get a notice. Oh, he's coming up from parole already?
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Anya Cain
Are you kidding me?
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Kevin Greenlee
No.
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Anya Cain
And he killed her in 2020?
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Kevin Greenlee
Yes. And as I say, he also earlier killed a woman in Ohio and he attacked a woman in Virginia. Long history of violence. And so what Lexi's law would do is, okay, we could still have this program that older people might be eligible for parole earlier, but let's not let people who have been convicted of a violent offense like rape or murder be qualified for that, because it can be very difficult for family members to have to go to parole hearings every few years and have to give testimony about some of the most traumatic events in their lives.
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Anya Cain
Of course it is. This is freaking common sense. I mean, like, it's. It's. It's absolutely common. I mean, I. I don't. This just makes me so angry, you know? Yes. Generally, older people are less of a problem in society than younger people. That's just a fact. But that does not mean they're not a problem. And that's certainly evinced in this case by the fact that this old man sexually assaulted and murdered a woman in 2020. He wasn't 72 then. He was younger, but he was still older. This victim's families should not be bearing the burden of having to schlep around to these things. You know, it apps if you're a violent offender, you know, die in prison. That's my. The fact that this doesn't have people up in arms. I mean, people should be up in arms about this stuff. You know, I don't. I don't know why we're bending backwards with. I mean, this is a lovely compassionate release thing for people who are nonviolent. And that's great. And they should do that and they should keep it for that. But the people who are violent offenders should not be on the table for this. I mean, and I'm seeing in the article there, apparently people told her, well, he's probably not going to get parole. So what? They still have to go out there and advocate. And it's, and as, as their relatives noted, it's still a possibility. Doesn't mean that he won't. It means he won't likely. But how do we know what's going to happen?
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Kevin Greenlee
Yeah, it seems like a common sense thing to do.
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Anya Cain
I'm curious, like, is there any, like, is there any sort of feeling about whether it's gonna get support or not?
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Kevin Greenlee
The articles I read indicated that it's starting to get some bipartisan support because it's not really a conservative issue or a liberal issue. It's a more of a compassionate victim centric issue.
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Anya Cain
It's a victim centric. It shouldn't, it should be, it should be bipartisan. When you're, you know, the conservative side, the stereotype would be tough on crime and the, the liberal side would be frankly, women's rights. I mean, because let's be honest, he's going around killing women, as are most of these creeps. So, you know, it's not always just going to be women victims, but in this case, I think it's something that women should take extremely seriously. You know, like there are, there are men who are basically just animals who want to go around and rape and kill you and that's all they want to do. And those people, I think should be put down or if we can't put them down, then put them in prison for life and they can die there and not bother anybody else. You know, that's, I get very mad about this stuff. I get very mad. I feel like this, I feel like getting into true crime has radicalized me about this, about the, just the constant, you know, gender based violence that women get subjected to. And you know, I just, frankly, the fact that this isn't already a law is astounding and tells me a lot. But I do, I do believe I do. At the same time, I can think that, and I can certainly think that, hey, if you're, if you're a guy who got convicted for some really bad choices you made around some robberies years ago and you're old now, yeah, I think that you can be considered for some compassionate release. Especially if, you know, if those, if those were not violent crimes inherently, if they were not doing violence, and perhaps there's some case for rehabilitation. And you're old now. I am all for. I don't think those people should be penalized necessarily, just because, you know, the violent offenders. And I would certainly support rehabilitation and integration back into the community for those folks. But for people who are raping and killing? Absolutely not. You have lost, like, people. Oh, is the point of prison just to punish in those cases? I'm fine with that. I'm absolutely fine with that. And I think everyone should be fine with that. Let's be real here.
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Kevin Greenlee
Well, with that said, should we move on to the Lone Star case? The Lone Star.
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Anya Cain
The Lone Star case. Is that your. Is that your series of mysteries about a Texan detective?
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Kevin Greenlee
Well, I was gonna say it's the case that you. You insisted be included.
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Anya Cain
Why are you saying these things? You said, oh, Anya, I don't know if I built this case. And I said, it sounds interesting.
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Kevin Greenlee
Well, when I. When I discuss the issues raised in it, people will understand my concerns.
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Anya Cain
Why are you freaking out about masturbation? Just calm down. What, you suddenly. You suddenly like a huge prude? We talk about horrible sexual things on this show all the time. You know, this is. This is mild compared to any of that.
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Kevin Greenlee
So I first found this on the legal blog above the Law. The author of that blog post had some strong views about some of the arguments raised in this case. Before we get to that, I think it's important to remember that this case does involve a murder. So someone died. And I'm going to talk a little bit about the underlying crime. But even before that, just to kind of set the stage where, first of all, Anya, why is it important that a person be competent to stand trial?
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Anya Cain
Well, you don't want. Okay, so the competency to stand trial has to do with being able to assist in your own defense and assist your essentially legal team with defending you from the charges put by the state. If you have somebody who is incompetent mentally, then they can't do that, and that worsens their chances at trial, and it's not providing them a fair trial. And a fair trial is something that's one of our constitutional rights, is having a fair trial. A lot of our rights address things around that. Fair treatment of people who are suspected of a crime and fair trials. So incompetency goes to. If you have a situation, hypothetically, where you have somebody who's mentally ill and they're wrongfully accused of a crime, but they're having some kind of psychotic episode, and they can't provide information to their attorneys that kind of clear them where they. Where maybe they could have otherwise if they were treated, that could set them up for failure. And that's not fair.
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Kevin Greenlee
Right. So very important that a person be competent to stand trial.
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Anya Cain
It's super important.
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Kevin Greenlee
So now, before I get into the facts, I'm going to just frame it by reading the question that this, this case raises, which is, must a trial court. I'm reading from the defense brief. Must a trial court make an informal inquiry into a defendant's competency to stand trial when it learns during trial that the defendant, one, masturbated in front of and through feces at jail detention officers while awaiting trial, two, possibly, possibly masturbated in open court during trial, three, alleged that a testifying witness had used voodoo on him, and four, made incoherent rambling comments in a bill of exception. So that's what we have to ponder here. Okay.
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Anya Cain
Okay.
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Kevin Greenlee
So as I say, this is a murder case. A guy named Daetoine Littlejohn. Back in April of 2021. He follows Jerry Bradley as Mr. Bradley drives to work. The two are neighbors. Mr. Littlejohn is in the course of being. Is in the process of being evicted because some of his neighbors, including Mr. Bradley, had filed some sort of complaints against him this particular morning. Mr. Little John follows Mr. Bradley, drives his car parallel to Mr. Bradley's and fires his Draco semiautomatic pistol nine times. One of the shots hits Mr. Bradley in the lower abdomen. Mr. Little John drives off. People stop to help Mr. Bradley. He tells people, this is who shot me. Mr. Bradley subsequently dies. Later, Mr. Little John is picked up for speeding. And he has with him a black Draco pistol which matches the murder weapon. Okay, so. And there were shell casings in the vehicle. And. Yeah, so a pretty clear case that this guy is guilty.
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Anya Cain
Yeah, factually, obviously guilty.
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Kevin Greenlee
But again, what we're looking at here is not whether or not he was guilty, but whether or not he was competent to stand trial? So before his trial, his attorneys say, well, we've noticed some things. We've noticed kind of a drastic mental health decline. This guy has been throwing feces at a guard. I'm going to read from the brief quote. He called his trial attorneys and accused them of. Of having his mother and sister murdered, even though both were still alive. He had a mental health episode in the jail where he claimed that his attorney had been murdered. Attorney's still alive. And the attorney says when he's having these kind of hallucinations I really can't communicate effectively with him. I think there needs to be some sort of inquiries whether or not this guy is competent. And so an inquiry is held, and the doctor says, oh, yeah, he's masturbating. He has these paranoid delusions. But, yeah, he sounds competent. Let's just make sure he has his medicine. So I guess, does that sound competent to you?
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Anya Cain
I mean, I don't know, Kevin, because, like, I think there's a lot of behavior that can be somebody who is incompetent or it can be somebody who's malingering and messing around. And I. I think if a mental health professional says, yeah, I think he's fine, then I mean, I don't know. A lawyer is not a mental health professional.
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Kevin Greenlee
We've obviously had some experience in the Delphi, the case, the Richard Allen case. Yeah.
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Anya Cain
Like, so I guess to me that could sound like someone who's totally incompetent. It could also sound like someone who's just messing around and wants to play the system to delay things. Now, whether, I guess whether or not the mental health professional made a mistake and designated him as competent when he should not have been designated as competent. To me, that is a question that is best answered by other mental health professionals reviewing that man's work.
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Kevin Greenlee
So the trial is held because he's competent. He is convicted. And then now there's a punishment phase of the trial. And in the punishment phase, evidence is presented. Oh, he's thrown liquefied feces on guards. He's assaulted guards. He's publicly masturbated in front of female guards. And after one of the female guards says this, a court clerk told the judge, you know what? During testimony during the court, he was masturbating in open court. And what's interesting is that he denied masturbating in open court. And no one else seems to have seen it. And for whatever reason, no sworn testimony was taken from the clerk about what she had seen. But at that point, the defense attorney says, if he's masturbating in open court, that might be a sign he's not competent. Judge, will you do a competency inquiry? And the judge says, I feel comfortable with the competency inquiry we've already had. And she has some back and forth with Mr. Littlejohn. And again, I'm going to read from the document. Quote, Little John noted that his life was in jeopardy and expressed his displeasure in being accused of masturbating during his trial. Appellate then said, now all of sudden, the allegation this lady put a voodoo in my food and voodoo in my blood and lying, steady lying, like somebody trying to jack off on her. And now all of a sudden, this allegation come of me jacking off. But he then says, I will respect your courtroom, your honor. So that's basically the question. He seems to be accusing this person of voodoo, and he possibly masturbated in court. And so then the question is, should the judge have said, let's have a competency inquiry?
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Anya Cain
I guess so. Should the judge have said, let's have a competency inquiry in the sentencing phase or prior to that, by the sentencing phase? Does it matter if he's. I guess I'm just, like, trying to. It doesn't matter if he's incompetent for sentencing.
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Kevin Greenlee
He still needs to help his attorney.
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Anya Cain
He needs help with attorneys. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think all this stuff is fair for the defense to raise. I mean, it's. It. It definitely raises some interesting questions for me. I don't really care what a judge or attorneys think. I'm sorry. I know attorneys, you know, like. Like, I don't know, this kind of. This, like, I see this all the. I mean, I feel like we see this in different cases where they're like, my client is insane and all this stuff. And it's like, you're not a mental health professional. You can't diagnose anyone. You can't make that determination. I. So.
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Kevin Greenlee
So is that an argument that the judge, instead of just saying, well, I think it's okay, should have had him looked at by a doctor?
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Anya Cain
I think perhaps. I personally. That goes further for me. All this stuff about him talking about voodoo. Again, like, you could just have someone trying to act insane. People do that all the time. People behave extremely badly in prison. People fling and eat their own feces, and they're not clinically insane. And the reason they do it, it's a measure of control. It's a measure of acting out. You don't have a lot of. You don't have a lot of power or control in prison, and, you know, masturbating in front of people who don't want to see that is. Is one way to get that. And so. So are some of these other things. So I don't. I don't know. I think, you know, but the fact that he was declared competent by a professional, you know, I guess also, like, we have to remember, like, a lot of this stuff is, like, people think of, like, oh, well, I wouldn't do that. So therefore, that anyone who does that must be insane. And it's like, no. Like, the people who are going to be finding themselves in, you know, murder trial most of the time are going to be people with pretty messed up lives and probably not the smartest people you'll ever meet. So saying weird stuff about voodoo does not make someone insane. It just makes, you know, who knows what's going on there.
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Kevin Greenlee
Some of the arguments the prosecutor made was, you know, a lot of this behavior. You know, he was accused of publicly masturbating earlier, and after that he was given an examination and found to be competent. So why would this change that equation? The prosecutor also makes the point. Since there's no testimony, sworn testimony from the clerk indicating what she saw, that means there's no actual evidence that he did masturbate. That's a really good point because he denies it. And no one else is on the record saying, yes, I saw it.
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Anya Cain
And could she have seen. I mean, under cross examination, is it like something where she's totally con. Convinced that that's what she saw or is she assuming something?
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Kevin Greenlee
And. And they also. The prosecutor also makes the case. You know, if. Then if you just say all you have to do to get declared incompetent is to do something disruptive, such as masturbating in open court, then just everybody will start doing that.
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Anya Cain
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, that's why I'm like, disruptive behavior is not a symptom of, you know, it can be a sign that you're insane legally, or it could just be disruptive behavior. Like, and again, like, I don't. I think. I don't know. I think the point though, about this not being actual evidence, and it just feels like the judge is ruling on vibes right now. You know, that. That to me is more concerning than anything else.
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Kevin Greenlee
I would have liked to have seen some sworn testimony. And yeah, if you're going to do
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Anya Cain
it, do it correctly. Don't be just like, oh, well, somebody said they saw something. Well, what does that mean?
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Kevin Greenlee
Now I'm going to read from the brief the argument that the. The blogger, I believe, Jill Patrice, he had some strong feelings about this argument. I'm going to read it to you, and then we can talk about it. Curious to see what you think. Quote, Additionally, Little John's ability to hide his actions from the jury, the judge, and even his own attorney seated three feet from him show that he was able to conceal his inappropriate actions for the participants of the trial. This fact shows that even if the record contained a suggestion that he masturbated during his trial. He did so in a way that did not disrupt the proceedings, end quote. So he's saying. So even if he masturbated, he was a gentleman and he did it discreetly. Doesn't that show some competence?
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Anya Cain
He's no gentleman, but certainly, I think that's a fair point.
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Anya Cain
If he was, you know, if we're looking at behavior that's truly, truly unhinged or like you can't imagine anyone doing it and being in their right mind, discreetly doing something you're not supposed to do in a way that you get away with it, except for one witness. You know, certainly seems like someone who recognizes what they're doing would be frowned upon and that they should conceal it as best as possible. So, yeah, I think that blogger makes a very good point, too. This just seems ridiculous. Like, I don't. I mean, I. So where. Where do things stand right now with it?
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Kevin Greenlee
This. This brief from the prosecution that made this argument was just filed a few days ago. Yeah, Mr. Patrice, the blogger says. Oh, come on. If a defendant masturbates in a courtroom and no one is around to see it, is it really inappropriate? Is the legal Zen no one asked for?
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Anya Cain
I mean, yeah, I Again, I don't blame the defense for, like, raising it, but a lot of this stuff doesn't necessarily strike me as.
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Kevin Greenlee
Well. Again, it's the prosecution that's saying, well, if you masturbated, no one saw it, so maybe it doesn't count.
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Anya Cain
I'm just saying with the. With the defense side, you know, things. But. But, yeah, I mean, I think. I mean, I don't know. What does the blogger thing. What's his. Where does he come down on this?
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Kevin Greenlee
He has a lot of fun by saying things like, oh, there's not gonna be any oral argument. So we're judging this based solely on what was inside the briefs? Oh, no. Based solely on the filings.
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Anya Cain
Oh, no. That's unfortunate. Well, I guess it lends itself to some pretty inappropriate puns, but, yeah. God.
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Kevin Greenlee
I think somewhere in here, he also says, oh, you're not gonna get off that easily.
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Anya Cain
Good Lord, no. I'm coughing.
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Kevin Greenlee
Yeah, I'm being professional.
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Anya Cain
Yeah, I know. We switched. How the tables have turned.
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Kevin Greenlee
Indeed. So, yeah, we should keep an eye on that. I would have preferred to have another competency inquiry. It sounded like that this. This guy has some issues.
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Anya Cain
Yeah. There's a big difference between having mental health problems, though, being declared legally incompetent.
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Kevin Greenlee
And I also would like to have seen testimony on the record.
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Anya Cain
That would have been good. That's always good. You should always have that.
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Kevin Greenlee
So I think that's it for a little John versus the State of Texas.
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Anya Cain
Absolutely.
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Kevin Greenlee
And now it's time for Anya's Billboard, where we see the sorts of things that are on Anya's mind that she wants to share with the listeners, like promotional announcements, interesting events.
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Anya Cain
Not calling it that.
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Kevin Greenlee
I just did.
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Anya Cain
Well, knock it off. So, yeah, we. We. I guess we really. We don't really have much going on in our lives. What's our anecdote? I guess I'll talk.
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Kevin Greenlee
We're going to Marion.
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Anya Cain
Yeah. Oh, yeah. We do the anecdote afterwards.
- [57:02]
Kevin Greenlee
Yeah.
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Anya Cain
So I will note that the. If anyone is interested in our book, Shadow of the Bridge, the Delphi Murders in the Dark side of the American heartland, it's currently $19.10 on Amazon. It's down by 36%. So if you're looking for a discount, you've been holding out, now's the time to get the hardcover edition. And it's also, of course, available as an ebook and as an audiobook, excellently narrated by one Kevin Greenlee.
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Kevin Greenlee
And we also made sure that if you get the hardcover, the pages are arranged sequentially, so they're all in order.
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Anya Cain
I'm just going to tell you, friends don't let friends mouth off about stupid conspiracy theories about the murder of two kids. So if your friends are out there on social media embarrassing themselves, then if you don't want to buy it for them, then at least pressure them into buying it, because this book is. I'm sorry. Like, I'm not. I don't feel like I'm not trying to brag, but at the same time, like, this is the comprehensive. This will answer your questions about the Delphi case. It is the comprehensive account of the case. And, you know, people kind of come on and they say things, and it's just like, you know, you don't know what you're talking about. And if you read this book, you would know what you're talking about, and everyone would be happy. So I would really encourage people to read it. You know, I would encourage you to tell your friends about it if. If they are, especially if they're kind of going on about stuff that's just not true. Because this case deserves better. And those girls deserve not to have people running around trying to get off a child killer, and so do their families. So that's one thing. The other thing we wanted to mention was we do have this appearance coming up in Ohio and Mary in Ohio. And that's gonna be really fun, and we're excited for it. And it's March 12, 2026, which is a Thursday, and we're gonna be there. I think the event starts at, like, 6:30pm at the Marion Library in Ohio.
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Kevin Greenlee
So you're saying that we will see a librarian in Marion? Yeah, Music Man. Right, yeah. Marion the librarian.
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Anya Cain
Oh, my gosh. Kevin will sing selections from the Music man while we're there. That's part of the program.
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Kevin Greenlee
I will only sing if you commit to this bonnet.
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Anya Cain
I will do no such thing. The bonnets are not tied to your Music Man One man show. Okay. That's a no, they're not. No, no, no. I've signed no contracts, sir. You have to do that. You brought up the Music man, so you're gonna have to do a little tromboning and Gary, Indiana, and all that stuff. I don't. I've never seen the Music Man. You have the Broadway channel on our Serious stuff, so then I sometimes hear stuff from the Music man, but I don't. I've never actually seen it anyways.
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Kevin Greenlee
You're lost, Huds.
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Anya Cain
Okay, so what was our. What was our anecdote?
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Kevin Greenlee
Uh, we just had a Just a very minor.
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Anya Cain
This is like a minor. This is. Tells you we've got nothing going on.
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Kevin Greenlee
This is Anya embarrassing herself publicly.
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Anya Cain
Yeah. Which is Kevin's favorite genre of story. I noticed Kevin recently. We were talking about stuff with. With our friends, and I was like, the way he tells stories, you'd think that he has no agency. He's just along for the ride. And I'm just doing all this stuff. That's how you tell stories.
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Kevin Greenlee
In this particular story where you embarrassed yourself publicly.
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Anya Cain
I'm not embarrassed.
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Kevin Greenlee
I'm. I'm completely. There's nothing I. I was there other than as your unwitting audience.
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Anya Cain
Your unwitting audience. So you. You make it sound like I'm holding you hostages or something.
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Kevin Greenlee
Well, the listener can decide.
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Anya Cain
So we. We. We've been trying to introduce Nicholas. Who.
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Kevin Greenlee
Our dog.
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Anya Cain
Our dog who. And I'm saying Nicholas because he's been pretty naughty during this recording. I don't. Hopefully we've edited this in such a way that you don't notice, but there's been a couple times we have had to pause because he wants to chew on Kevin's sleeve. Because I guess he doesn't respect Kevin, but he. Or doesn't respect either of us. He hasn't come around to me yet. I don't know why, but sometimes he does. But he's. He's a naughty dog in many ways. But we love him and we try to bring him around to different places.
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Kevin Greenlee
So we took him to, like, this park, and the park has, like, a sidewalk that goes all around the outer border of the park.
- [61:18]
Anya Cain
This was when it was really still, like, all the snow was on the ground.
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Kevin Greenlee
And on the other side of the street then are, you know, the residents of this great city and of this great nation, Hoosiers, all going about their daily business, their daily lives in an honorable way. And Anya decides I'm going to tell a story. And at one point in the story, I'm going to raise my voice for humorous effect. And the story was about one of your earlier dogs.
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Anya Cain
Yeah. So my family's dogs. I was talking about the wonderful, beautiful, and very much missed Rocky and Dancer. And Rocky and Dancer were two Labradoodles that my family had. And they were great dogs and very different, but we adopted both of them. And Rocky was like a very personable, very personality driven dog where he was just like, you know, he. I don't know, he was like an ornery guy. Like, he was just like, not having it sometimes. But he was obsessed with my parents and One of my sisters. And he, like, loved them so much. And, you know, he was very kind of. He didn't like it when we got another dog, when we adopted another dog. And so, you know, she was very regal. I was very bonded to her. She was a very sweet dog. Dancer. But I was talking about Rocky's attitude towards Dancer at first, and I said very loudly. What. What was the phrasing?
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Kevin Greenlee
You said Very, very, very loudly. David Hennessy level volume, as if you thought I was deaf or something. You said very loudly, get away from me, Peasant.
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Anya Cain
Describing Rocky's attitude towards Danzer and people on the other. No, one guy, not people. It wasn't a crowd of people.
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Kevin Greenlee
He turns and looks at Anya in unfeigned horror.
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Anya Cain
He thought I was calling him Peasant, which I wasn't. Sorry, sir.
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Kevin Greenlee
I think he thought you were talking to me.
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Anya Cain
Oh, well, you would have deserved it.
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Kevin Greenlee
So just a typical stroll with Anya.
- [63:29]
Anya Cain
Kevin. Somebody help that man. Oh, my God. I just thought that was so funny. Yeah. Typical stroll with Anya causing consternation. What if he'd run up to you like, hey, man, do you need help? And you started laughing. I'm like, I'm just such a raconteur. I always make Kevin laugh. And then after we turn the corner, you're like, you know, there was a guy over there. Yeah.
- [63:49]
Kevin Greenlee
You thought I was just laughing at the story. I think I was laughing at his story.
- [63:52]
Anya Cain
I thought you were thinking I was really funny. And then it was really. This is the second time this has happened. I don't know. We've told them about the whole, like, making progress in the bedroom comment that I made at Costco and scandalized the whole community. So this is. I'm gonna try to keep my volume down also. Yeah. I just feel like, I don't know, I need to stop talking to you outdoors because we went. You left to go on a walk with. With Nick today. And, like, immediately. My whole Lenten. Today is Ash Wednesday. My whole Lenten promise. I'm doing Lent. My whole Lenten promise is to not take the Lord's name in vain. I step outside, Ash Wednesday, the start of everything. What do I immediately do is take the Lord's name in vain. So I feel like I've just not been performing well on some of these, like, walks or outdoor activities in terms of speaking. So maybe I'll just. Maybe I'll just be quiet.
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Kevin Greenlee
No, no, we all. Everybody loves your dulcet tones.
- [64:49]
Anya Cain
So my job is just yapping at people. So, like, why am I doing that?
- [64:52]
Kevin Greenlee
Outside, you're doing it for free. You're giving it away.
- [64:56]
Anya Cain
Yeah. If you guys don't want to listen to the ads anymore, just follow me
- [64:59]
Kevin Greenlee
around, starting my mouth, making profane comments about the weather.
- [65:04]
Anya Cain
People show up, and then they'll kind of quickly fall off. Like, I'm going to get out of here.
- [65:09]
Kevin Greenlee
That's my personal podcast.
- [65:11]
Anya Cain
That's your. You have your own personal podcast? Well, you know what? I have a personal podcast from you where you're just saying all sorts of bizarre stuff to me all day. Oh, no, deny that.
- [65:22]
Kevin Greenlee
I do.
- [65:23]
Anya Cain
Okay, well, maybe I'll record you and then we'll play it back.
- [65:28]
Kevin Greenlee
I'm always very professional, whether on or off mic, and I will be until I go to that big microphone in the sky.
- [65:38]
Anya Cain
Say that. What are you talking. The podcaster's paradise. The big microphone and the.
- [65:52]
Kevin Greenlee
Wouldn't that be something?
- [65:53]
Anya Cain
No. Oh, my God. Oh, no. I just did it again. Oh, gee. Oh, my goodness. Okay, we're gonna have to work on this. Hopefully. I. Oh, man, I shouldn't have told anyone. My London promise.
- [66:09]
Kevin Greenlee
I told you, Anya, that may be a little bit ambitious.
- [66:12]
Anya Cain
All month. It's gonna be people being like, well, you know, you just did it again in this episode. Here's the timestamp. And I just be like, yeah, okay. I didn't give up cursing. That would have been unrealistic. Okay, but. But, you know, this is an aspect of that. Well, let's get out of here before
- [66:31]
Kevin Greenlee
you do it again.
- [66:31]
Anya Cain
Do it again. All right, thanks, everybody, for listening.
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Kevin Greenlee
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- [66:56]
Anya Cain
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- [67:20]
Kevin Greenlee
Special thanks to Kevin Tyler Greenlee, who composed the music for the Murder Sheet and who you can find on the web@kevintg.com.
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Anya Cain
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