The Cheat Sheet: Misrepresentations and Mannequins

Summary

Podcast Summary: Murder Sheet – "The Cheat Sheet: Misrepresentations and Mannequins" (May 30, 2025)

Content Warning: This episode contains discussions of sexual violence, child sexual exploitation, violence, and murder.

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1. Florida Case: Christian Scribbon and Online Child Exploitation

Timestamp: [02:57] – [14:09]

In this segment, Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee delve into a disturbing case from Marion County, Florida, involving a 17-year-old named Christian Scribbon. Scribbon is accused of directing sexual performances by children and soliciting minors through online platforms, specifically Roblox.

• Modus Operandi: Scribbon used Roblox to connect with young users, encouraging them to engage in sexual activities with their siblings and produce child sexual abuse materials (CSAM). He often misrepresented his age to appear more credible and interacted with children via Discord or text messaging after establishing initial contact on Roblox.

• Charges: Scribbon faces multiple charges, including:

  • Directing a Sexual Performance by a Child
  • Utilizing a Computer to Solicit a Child While Misrepresenting Age
  • Unlawful Use of a Two-Way Communications Device

• Investigative Insights: Detective Heinrich Henrik Osted of Marion County highlighted the evolving tactics of modern-day predators, emphasizing the ease with which individuals can exploit children online without physical abduction. The case underscores the manipulation and psychological impact on victims, as predators like Scribbon offload the responsibility onto the children themselves.

• Key Quote:

  • Áine Cain ([10:45]): “The alleged perpetrator is very young himself. Young men often perpetrate most violent and sexual crimes, and this reality shouldn’t shock us.”

• Prevention and Awareness: The hosts stress the importance of open communication with children about online dangers, encouraging parents to foster trust and provide safe spaces for their children to report suspicious or uncomfortable interactions.

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2. Missouri Case: Casey Bright and the Tragic Shooting

Timestamp: [14:09] – [22:54]

The discussion transitions to a tragic incident in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, involving a 59-year-old woman, Casey Bright, who was charged with shooting her 21-year-old daughter.

• Incident Details: On May 11, 2025, Casey Bright allegedly shot and killed her daughter in the passenger seat of a car. The victim succumbed to her injuries three days later on May 14. Initial confusion arose as Casey Bright’s Facebook profile featured disturbing imagery, including a photo in front of a paper gun target with simulated gunshot wounds.

• Charges: Casey Bright faces:

  • Murder in the Second Degree
  • Armed Criminal Action

• Investigation Challenges: The lack of immediate identification of the victim and limited information available publicly add complexity to the case. Áine Cain notes the unusual delay in charges being filed, speculating it might be due to jurisdictional or procedural intricacies.

• Key Quote:

  • Áine Cain ([20:15]): “The victim was not immediately identified, which is unusual and adds another layer of complexity to this already tragic case.”

• Community Impact: The case raises questions about potential motives, such as self-defense or accidental circumstances, but remains unclear as prosecutors have yet to provide detailed statements.

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3. Pennsylvania Case: Jessica Lockwood and the Opioid Epidemic

Timestamp: [22:54] – [27:03]

The hosts examine the heartbreaking case of Jessica Lockwood, a 39-year-old volunteer firefighter and EMT from Hazel Township, Pennsylvania, who died as a result of illicit painkiller acquisition.

• Background: Jessica Lockwood suffered from chronic neck pain, leading her to seek pain medications through illegal means. She engaged with a dealer known as “OG” and arranged a meet-up for an illegal drug purchase.

• Incident and Aftermath: On April 26, 2025, Lockwood was reported missing after her phone was found near State Route 424, indicating a meeting with OG. Her body was discovered the following day, April 27, burned on Club 40 Road. Initial observations by a passerby mistook the body for a mannequin, highlighting the severity of her injuries.

• Perpetrator: Terrence Ray, the dealer known as OG, was identified and arrested in Yonkers, New York, on May 8, 2025. He is currently held without bail and extradited to Pennsylvania to face charges, including murder.

• Societal Implications: The case underscores the dire consequences of inadequate support for individuals battling chronic pain and the opioid epidemic. Both hosts express empathy for those like Lockwood who find themselves desperate enough to seek illicit drugs, often leading to tragic outcomes.

• Key Quote:

  • Kevin Greenlee ([26:16]): “It can affect your judgment. So, yeah, it's a terrible situation.”

• Support Systems: The discussion highlights the urgent need for better mental health and addiction support services to prevent such tragedies.

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4. Benjamin Richie Execution: Ethical and Legal Considerations

Timestamp: [27:03] – [35:52]

This segment addresses the impending execution of Benjamin Richie in Indiana for the murder of Officer William Toney.

• Case Overview: On September 29, 2000, Officer Toney was fatally shot by Richie during a foot pursuit after Richie attempted to steal a van. Richie fired several shots, killing the officer, and was subsequently sentenced to death for murder, alongside additional charges including auto theft and resisting law enforcement.

• Execution Details: Richie, aged 45, has been on death row since his 2002 conviction. His clemency plea, which cited fetal alcohol syndrome disorder and a history of childhood abuse, was rejected by the Indiana Parole Board. The execution is scheduled for May 20, 2025.

• Legal Perspectives:

  • Support for Execution: Kevin Greenlee expresses a conflicted stance, recognizing the death penalty's role in cases of severe crimes like the murder of a law enforcement officer.

    • Quote: Kevin Greenlee ([33:46]): “Since we have the death penalty, I feel the decision in this case was the correct one.”

  • Opposition and Empathy: Áine Cain shares her ambivalence, acknowledging the pain for Officer Toney’s family while grappling with the ethical implications of the death penalty.

    • Quote: Áine Cain ([35:21]): “I feel terrible for the relatives of Officer Tony. This was just such a needless death.”

• Broader Debate: The hosts discuss the complexities surrounding the death penalty, including moral considerations, legal frameworks, and the impact on victims’ families. They acknowledge the limited effectiveness of the death penalty in providing closure and justice.

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5. Upcoming Book and Future Projects

Timestamp: [35:52] – [43:29]

Towards the end of the episode, Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee promote their upcoming book, set to release on August 26, 2025, which offers an in-depth analysis of the Delphi murders case.

• Book Highlights:

  • Comprehensive Coverage: The book aims to consolidate years of podcast reporting into a cohesive narrative, providing listeners with a complete understanding of the case.
  • Exclusive Insights: It promises to reveal behind-the-scenes details and new information that may not have been covered extensively on the podcast.

• Engagement with Audience:

  • Book Club Events: The hosts invite listeners to participate in book club discussions, both in-person and via Zoom, offering a platform for deeper engagement with the material.
  • Pre-orders: They encourage pre-ordering the book to support the podcast and ensure availability.

• Key Quote:

  • Áine Cain ([37:06]): “The book is the correct medium for telling the story of a crime in general.”

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Conclusion

In "The Cheat Sheet: Misrepresentations and Mannequins," Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee tackle a range of harrowing true crime cases, from online child exploitation and familial tragedy to the ethical dilemmas of the death penalty. Their comprehensive analysis sheds light on the complexities of modern crime, the vulnerabilities of victims, and the intricate balance between justice and morality. The episode also highlights their ongoing commitment to in-depth reporting and engagement with their audience through upcoming publications.

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Notable Quotes:

• Áine Cain ([10:45]): “The alleged perpetrator is very young himself. Young men often perpetrate most violent and sexual crimes, and this reality shouldn’t shock us.”

• Kevin Greenlee ([26:16]): “It can affect your judgment. So, yeah, it's a terrible situation.”

• Kevin Greenlee ([33:46]): “Since we have the death penalty, I feel the decision in this case was the correct one.”

• Áine Cain ([35:21]): “I feel terrible for the relatives of Officer Tony. This was just such a needless death.”

• Áine Cain ([37:06]): “The book is the correct medium for telling the story of a crime in general.”

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[Anya Cain]

Content WARNING this episode contains discussion of sexual violence, child sexual exploitation, as well as violence and murder. So.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, I I wanted to say again, as I have for the last couple of weeks because of some production schedule, complicated stuff, not bad stuff, just stuff. Anya has really stepped up to the plate and she has prepared. This is the third of three cheat sheets in a row that she has prepared entirely by herself. And we are also recording it well in advance. So we're not like as Anya and I speak, we're not like days away from beginning of June. We're still stuck in the nightmare of mid May.

[Anya Cain]

It is May 19, 2025. So if there's updates in any of these cases, which I very much imagine there will be, apologize. But this is giving you a screenshot of this moment in time on May 19th. So hello to the future. Time travel, time traveling. But thanks. Yeah, no, I mean, happy to do the cheat sheets. This episode includes two cases in Florida. We're picking on Florida, I guess Pennsylvania, and then a case in Indiana. I believe all or maybe three out of four of these were recommended by listeners. So thank you guys. We try to listen when you let us know there's a case you're interested in. And if we, you know, don't necessarily have enough to do a full episode on it, we try to at least kind of talk about on the Cheat sheet. And so we hope you enjoy that and we appreciate you kind of engaging. And again, if you have a case you want us to cover or look into murdersheetmail.com you know, and that's some of these were also posted by people in our Facebook group. So thank you guys very much and let's get started. My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

[Anya Cain]

And this is the Murder Sheet.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews and deep dives into murder cases.

[Anya Cain]

We're the Murder Sheet and this is the Cheat sheet. Misrepresentations and Mannequins. Sam Foreign.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You'Re the conductor of this train. Where do you want to begin?

[Anya Cain]

We're going to start with our two Florida cases. This first Florida case, my, my reporting or you know, the reporting we're going to cite here comes from WESH2. And also, I'm also citing a statement from the Marion County Sheriff's Office. No, not the one in Indiana, the one in Florida. Lots of Marion counties, as I found once when I called up the Marion County Sheriff's Office in Georgia, thinking I was talking to the people in Indiana. It was a comedy of errors.

[Kevin Greenlee]

But anyways, I remember that video.

[Anya Cain]

You remember that?

[Kevin Greenlee]

I still enjoy a good laugh about that. You called.

[Anya Cain]

It was like a vaudeville routine where we're just talking past each other and they're like, we don't know what you're like.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You called up Georgia to ask them what they knew about the Burger Chef case?

[Anya Cain]

Yes. They were like, wait, we don't, we don't know. I was like, wow, they're not really paying attention to the old cases. No, they're in Georgia, Anya. So, whoops. Anyways, this is Marion county, but in Florida. And I imagine they're all named after Francis Mary in the Revolutionary War. General. But anyways, let's, let's get, let's focus, let's not get historical. This is a very disturbing case, but I think it's important to cover things like this because I've said it before to words to this effect. We've had experts say it on the show in the past. If a predator, if a pedophile, if a child predator, pedophile wanted to access a child, they would have to do some sort of forcible abduction or insinuate themselves into the life of a child through religion, through sports, through school, through family friends, through relations. You know, family relations. Nowadays they don't have to do any of that. They can just get on their phone and they can get on websites and the website that. I don't, I don't know what this is, honestly. Like, I, I, I, I. It seems to be some sort of, like, gaming site called Roblox. And that's kind of the site of where this latest thing happened. And what's especially disturbing to me is in this case, the alleged perpetrator is also very young himself. The accused perpetrator in this Florida case is Christian Scribbon, who is only 17 years old. That may sound. We are often shocked when young people do crimes, right, because there's this perception that younger people are more innocent. But the reality in life, the kind of cold reality, is that young men perpetrate most violent and sexual crimes. And that's the kind of time period where someone's going to make a choice to really Hurt other people and mess their lives. That doesn't mean all perpetrators are young men. It certainly. Women can perpetrate horrible crimes, women can perpetrate sexual crimes, Older men can do things, whatever. But I'm just saying young men, that's again, when people are usually gonna be acting out violently and sexually. So we have to sort of let go of this narrative that like, that's somehow shocking. It shouldn't shock you. If you read about crimes, it really shouldn't shock you. And some of the most brutal and disturbing crimes are going to be perpetrated by younger people. Maybe there's an answer to that in developing brains and they're not quite, they don't really have all their reasoning powers yet. But in my opinion, there's the certain things that maybe can be excused by that. And then there are other things that are so calculated that they're not. So this kid Christian, well, he's not a kid. This, this alleged perpetrator in Marion County, Florida is now charged with quote, directing a sexual performance by a child, utilizing a computer to solicit a child while misrepresenting age and unlawful use of a two way communications device. So what happened was on February 28th of this year, MCSO got a tip from the national center for Missing and Exploited Children, ncmec. And NCMEC said, hey, it looks like a user in Marion County, Florida is telling kids, telling little children on Roblox, the video game site, I guess or app or something to this is really disturbing. But to basically go and molest their younger siblings and produce child sexual abuse materials. So this is also part of the modus operandi of the, the modern day child predator. It's not necessarily about taking a child and forcing them to directly participate in child sexual abuse materials. It's because these kids have phones. It's directing them to film it themselves. It's like they're, they're outsourcing it to their own victims, which also is so messed up because then that causes guilt from these victims. And they're like, oh, I did this. You know, it's like they're just being manipulated by these people. So obviously really disturbing and serious. Marion County's major crimes detective Heinrich Henrik Osted, he investigated and found that the messages were coming from this guy Scribbon and they've served a warrant on his home. And that occurred on April 16, 2025. Not really sure what the reason for the delay was. I imagine there was some, some level of trying to figure out who was doing this, you know, and there May that may have accounted for that. So Detective Ossed then interviewed Scribbon after the SWAT team kind of raided the home. And Scribbon kind of gave over his user information and confirmed that he was the owner of that account that was referenced in the tip. And he quote. Throughout the interview, Scribbon admitted to proactively searching for children on Robovox daily whom he would instruct to engage in sexual activity with their siblings and create csam. After establishing a connection on Roblox, he would move the conversation to either discord or text messaging. Scribbon advised that most of the CCM he demanded was used for sexual gratification. However, in one specific instance, he just wanted proof that the sexual abuse was actually occurring as he directed. Scribbin went on to admit that he would misrepresent his age to appear more acceptable to young children and that he has done this for four to five children a day for the past year. Further investigation to identify the victims in this case is ongoing. End quote. A couple other things we learned from the Kagan Klein case. Identifying victims in cases like this can be very difficult. People delete their account, they move on. That's, you know, it can be complicated to have people come forward and also classic, classic meet, Meet a victim somewhere and then try to get them onto a server that's more private. Kagan Klein would meet people on Instagram, move them over onto Snapchat. This guy was going on Roblox, getting them onto text or discord. It's all about, you know, further isolating the child, further kind of getting them into a place where that it works for the predator and not for them. And it's really, really disturbing to me. Like, the idea of, like, a predator directing kids to assault their own siblings. Like, the amount of, like, victimization there is just unfathomable. And the sheer amount he was doing, sheer amount of times that this happened is sick. So if anyone has any information on this, contact Detective Osthead at 535-2351-4710. I would also say, like, talk to your kids about everything with. With this stuff. I mean, like, I don't think we're doing children any favors by not telling them about stuff like this. You don't necessarily have to go into graphic, disturbing detail, but, like, I don't know, having open relationships with your kids where they can tell you anything or tell you about a creepy. When this happens to kids, they get embarrassed. Even if they're not, even if they don't fall prey to this, they they might interact with someone like this, and they may just be, like, creeped out, and it makes them feel like they did something wrong. Letting them know like it's not them. And even if they did something, even if they sent something to a person like this, like, they can talk about it with. With you, and they can be trust. Like, there can be that trust there, and that it's not the end of the world, and you can get through it. I think that's all really important. And I also think some of these websites, like Roblox, I mean, what. What the. What, like these. These companies are making money off of children and then putting them in harm's way. I guess. Like, there's. I mean, that's kind of what's going on. And I think there needs to be a level of accountability and a level of action that I don't know if we've really seen it.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, I agree.

[Anya Cain]

So that's what's going on in Florida. And then another thing in Florida. This is also a very disturbing story. This is. Oh, wow. Okay. I just paused for a minute to look up how to pronounce this, and I humiliatingly discovered that this is not a Florida story. Kevin. This is in Missouri. How did I mess that up?

[Kevin Greenlee]

I don't know. I'm stunned because the word you want to get the correct pronunciation is Cape Girardeau, which is famously in Missouri. Isn't. Didn't. Like Rush.

[Anya Cain]

I know. Don't.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Did Rush Limbaugh come from Cape Gerardo?

[Anya Cain]

Why would I know where Rush Limbaugh came from? I have no idea. I, I. For some reason, I think I must have just written it down wrong, because the previous case was from Florida, so I thought, like, double Florida, but.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And also it's exposed me for not having looked at your notes.

[Anya Cain]

Well, I mean. Yeah, but you already said that at the top.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I did.

[Anya Cain]

So Cape Gerardo is in Missouri. Sorry, sorry. Florida. Sorry. Missouri. I left Missouri out. I blamed Florida for something that happened in Missouri.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's the. It's the Show Me State.

[Anya Cain]

Is it it? Okay. What does that mean?

[Kevin Greenlee]

I guess. Prove it. I don't know. Have you ever been to Missouri?

[Anya Cain]

I've never been to Missouri in my life.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You know Harry Truman.

[Anya Cain]

I know. He went. Yeah.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Independence, Missouri. Not far outside of Kansas City. I went there. If you want to go see a ball game at a beautiful stadium, Kaufman Stadium, Kansas City, Missouri.

[Anya Cain]

I know Ulysses Grant lived there for a time with his family. Hard Scrabble.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Ulysses Grant lived at a ballpark.

[Anya Cain]

No, no.

[Kevin Greenlee]

That's Astonishing.

[Anya Cain]

He lived in Missouri. They were under the stands. It was really a bad time for them. Okay, so this is, this is Missouri. Sorry again to everyone. See, we make mistakes. This is why I always stress that you can always tell us. I'm glad I caught this one before completely humiliating myself because I would have, you know, all of the Floridians, all the Missourians would have, would have just been.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's interesting.

[Anya Cain]

Angry.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's interesting that you thought you did not completely humiliate yourself. But I digress.

[Anya Cain]

You know what? This is what happens when you dump all of the, the cheat sheet labor on me.

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[Anya Cain]

You're not the conductor. You're just sitting around. You're, oh, geez, I don't need this from you right now.

[Kevin Greenlee]

There's not mistakes like this happening.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, yeah, there's worse. There's sorts of bizarre things happening when you're doing cheat sheets. I can tell you that.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, I, I think obviously with the next cheat sheet, we need to go back to the old ways.

[Anya Cain]

No, I, I, I'm, I'm good. I'm good. This is one mistake out of three episodes and 12 cases. So I feel pretty good. So one mistake so far that we've caught. All right, so this is, this is Missouri Cape Girardeau. Life gets rough, but we can always seek help. Therapy can be the help you're looking for. When it comes to working through things like depression, anxiety and trauma, We' therapy and we have had really good experiences.

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[Anya Cain]

There's a statement from the Cape Girardeau Police Department and that was on Facebook and a report from Fox 23. And this is one of those kind of strange situations because there's like not a ton of information out there about the victim right now, which I always find a little bit odd. But it seems like there might be some, I don't know, maybe sensitivities around this. I guess it's, it's, it's strange. So, so this, this occurred on May 14, 2025 when a woman named, or rather, I'm sorry, May, May 11, 2025 and there was a Shooting in Cape girardeau and a 59 year old woman named Casey Bright was taken into custody and she was accused of shooting and killing her adult daughter in the passenger seat of a car that they were in. And the officers who arrived tried to save this young woman. But when she was treated, you know, to she. When she was taken to a hospital, she succumbed to her injuries. So obviously a very sad situation. So, yeah. So this is this again, this woman, Casey Bright. When you look up her Facebook or like when I did, it was like kind of ominous because on March 12th of this year she posted a profile picture of her in front of a paper gun target with shots in the head and chest. The daughter was 21 and you know, so but weirdly enough, the daughter was not identified. The, you know, alleged perpetrator was identified and is being held on a $1 million cash only bond. But the victim herself was not identified immediately. And I couldn't find any sort of indication of what her name was. I've seen some speculation about the daughter, but I don't know if it's true, so I'm not gonna repeat it. The shooting happened on May 11th and it sounds like she passed away on May 14th. So that was kind of the delay in some of these charges being filed in terms of murder in the second degree and armed criminal action. So I'll be curious what to see what happened. Sort of. Definitely odd situation. I guess in this situation you'd be able to say, well, self defense or an accident or something like this. But not clear what they're going to say at this point.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Right.

[Anya Cain]

So next case is in Pennsylvania, is it? Yes, it. This one definitely is. Although it does have a bit of a crossover with my home county. So that's kind of wild. I didn't know that when I picked it. Someone I think suggested this one. So thanks that listener. So my sources for this are the Times Leader as well as the Journal News. This is a situation involving volunteer firefighter and emergency medical technician Jessica Lockwood. She was with the heart Lockwood Fire Company in Hazel Township in Pennsylvania. Now unfortunately, Ms. Lockwood, she was only 39, but she had a lot of pain. And we've talked about some of this on the Fentanyl Files, which is a series we did on the fentanyl epidemic. And one of our episodes was with Tony, who is a long term chronic pain patient who talked a bit about how debilitating back and neck pain in particular can be for people and how little support people get. So that's something you hear Again and again. Unfortunately, Ms. Lockwood had all these neck surgeries, lots of neck pain, and she turned to illicit means to get some pain medications. She was apparently going to a dealer named Og, or that was his nickname, Og, and she was supposed to meet him for an illegal buy. And then on April 26th of this year, her family reported her missing. Her phone was found along State Route 424, and the text in that showed that she was meeting up with this OG person. On April 27, her body was found burning on Club 40 Road. Although the passerby who saw it didn't think it to be a body at first. They thought it'd be a mannequin. But unfortunately, it wasn't. It was Ms. Lockwood. She was not just set on fire. She had been beaten and shot. And I think pretty quickly, investigators figured out who Og was. It was really a man named TERRENCE Lori Ray. April 29, a warrant for his arrest is put out there. But he had fled his home on the same day that her body was found burning. But fortunately, this is where it comes back to. You know, my. Where I'm from on. On May 8th in Westchester in the city of Yonkers, New York. So, like, that's right where I grew up. Ray was captured by a task by the US Marshals Fugitive Task Force, as well as Pennsylvania State Police Fugitive Apprehension Unit. He was at the Hilltop Inn and Suites in Yonkers. So he's currently being held without bail on a Fugitive from justice warrant at the Westchester Correctional Facility. But then he was actually extradited. I don't think he fought his extradition back to Pennsylvania. Here's some evidence that's come out so far. Court records say multiple cameras and license plate readers ended up putting the suspect in the location right before the fire happened. So that's a huge problem for him. And also it shows him moving Lockwood's vehicle a block away from his home. So that all seems like a. A pretty. That's a lot of evidence to overcome, I guess, you know, And. And it would be one thing if it was, like, undetermined how she died, right Then there probably could be an argument of, like, well, maybe it was, like, a overdose or something, and he's just concealing evidence. But if there's evidence that she was shot and beaten, that's. That's pretty bad, right?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yes, that would be very bad.

[Anya Cain]

I feel bad for this lady. It seems like she kind of was forced into a really bad situation because of her pain issues. And I wish there were more support for people. You know, people kind of. It feels like you get injured and then people end up getting addicted to painkillers or they're searching for painkillers through illicit means. And these are people who wouldn't be really breaking the rules otherwise, but they're just desperate.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, certainly in my life, there have been times when I've dealt with chronic pain issues. And it's a hard thing to describe to someone who has never had to deal with that. It's just like a constant weight on you, a constant burden. And at times it makes it difficult to think or do much of anything else. It can affect your judgment. So, yeah, it's a terrible situation.

[Anya Cain]

It really, really is. So this next case is going to be something where I think we're going to definitely miss. Miss some important developments in it. But I think it's. I think it's an important story to talk about anyways. So by the time you hear this, Benjamin Richie will likely be dead.

[Kevin Greenlee]

In fact, I believe he is scheduled to be executed probably in about nine or ten hours up in Michigan City, if I recall correctly. And I did see a post on Facebook from our old friend Russ McQuaid of Fox 59. Fox 59. He did some fine work on the Delphi case. He noted that the press isn't going to be allowed in to see the execution. And he makes the case that an execution of one of the citizens of the state is a pretty important thing that government sometimes does. And it does indeed seem like it should be worthwhile for an outsider to be able to witness that and report on how the state did that. And by an outsider, I mean someone who doesn't have a direct connection to the case, someone who's not a representative of law enforcement or a victim, family member of something of that nature.

[Anya Cain]

It's very odd because it's like we're talking about it now, and it's Monday around 3:13pm and he will probably be dead when you hear it. This kind of a chilly feeling with that. And the reason Richie is going to be executed is because of something he did on September 29, 2000. And this was a situation where a young police officer named William Toney was shot and killed during a foot pursuit. What happened was there was a van that was reported stolen from a gas station. And another police officer spotted the van. There are two occupants and attempted to stop it. The driver fled. Officer Tony joined the pursuit. They chased the van until it crashed into a residential neighborhood. The driver then fled on foot and Tony kept running. After Him. So during the foot chase, at one point the Richie turned around and fired several shots. One of those bullets hit Tony, Officer Tony in the neck, hit him above the bulletproof vest, and he returned fire, but missed Richie. So unfortunately, Tony was transported to Wishard Memorial Hospital and he was pronounced dead. And he died literally a day before his 32nd birthday. He was very young. He left behind a wife, an 18th month old daughter and a four year old daughter, as well as two brothers, a sister and a mother. His badge number was number 37. And he had been with the Beech Grove Police Department for only two years and four months. So obviously this is a, a huge tragedy. And as a result of this, Benjamin Richie, the shooter, was sentenced to death row for murder, 20 years for unlawful possession of a firearm for a serious violent felon, and three years each for auto theft and resisting law enforcement. So most recently, the development was from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle that the clemency basically plea that Richie made was rejected. And that would mean that the Indiana Parole Board declined to give a clemency plea. And they recommended that Governor Mike Braun allow the execution on May 20, right after, you know, right after midnight to proceed his schedule. So they basically the big part of the plea for clemency was bringing up that Richie was recently diagnosed with fetal alcohol syndrome disorder. To, I mean, to put it very, very succinctly, that is something that can occur when a pregnant mother imbibes alcohol. It can affect the development of the fetus, of the baby and cause problems, cognitive behavioral challenges for the baby even into adulthood that kind of are just permanent. They also brought up that he has a history of childhood abuse and neglect and his conduct while incarcerated. Although, although it does seem like there might be some disparity between what they were saying. It sounds like he had 40 conduct violations in two decades and was also violent to other officer correctional officers and to inmates. So not really a good behavior situation. So, yeah, he's, He, Richie is 45 years old. He's been on death row since his 2002 conviction. And what the deputy State police. I'm sorry, what the deputy State Public defender Mark Kiselke said is that the Indiana Supreme Court said, you know, some of those justices said the jury did not get accurate evidence of his brain damage. But it sounds like the execution will still proceed. And I imagine that could be a relief to the family of Officer Tony, frankly, after all this time, you know, where they just want this to be over and to stop hearing about this person who took their loved one's life. But at the same time, for the attorneys who've worked on this case for Richie and for people who are against the death penalty, it's. It's also a bad development. It's just, you know, a life for a life is not going to bring Officer Tony back. And so there's obviously a lot of controversy around the death penalty, but this is just sort of the latest one in Indiana. I know for a long time there really had been sort of a pause on state executions in Indiana. There are the federal executions that occur in Indiana and Terre Haute, but those are federal. I'm talking about, like the state executing people versus the federal government. And that, I believe was due to a lack of supplies around a specific medication needed for lethal injections. But that seems to have gotten back in. Back in order recently because there's been. Corcoran was one and now Richie. What are your thoughts?

[Kevin Greenlee]

I'm not a big death penalty guy, so there's that. But. So I always try to split my thinking because on the one hand, I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I'd rather not see it exist. But you can't really use that framework when you're looking at a particular case. You can't say, well, I don't like it, so therefore, let's just ignore the analysis. And so I feel, since we have the death penalty, I feel the decision in this case was the correct one.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, if you're going to give the death penalty, I think this is fair. I mean, this was just totally needless and over a stolen van.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah.

[Anya Cain]

You know, why would you, why would you do this? But I don't know. I, I gotta admit, like, as we've done true crime coverage, I've sort of, like, developed. I've gone from like one feeling strongly about the death penalty to feeling strongly on the other side to feeling very ambivalent. Like, like it's not something that I, I. It's not something that I really have. I don't know, maybe that's burnout. I don't know. But I'm not going to really strenuously argue for or against it. I just sort of. I'm kind of in that neutral spot, like, okay, whatever, if it's. It is what it is. Which is kind of weird because usually I get very opinionated on stuff.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Usually you have strong opinions on everything.

[Anya Cain]

Well, not really. I don't like. But in this case, it's like, I kind of see it where I'm like, I personally am uncomfortable with it, but I also Feel like if my relatives got murdered or my loved one got murdered, I would absolutely want to execute the person myself. So how can I judge families who want. Who want executions? But I can't judge people who are against it because I understand where they're coming from. And again, it makes me uncomfortable. So, whatever. I don't need to have an opinion on this one.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You're just throwing up your hands.

[Anya Cain]

Just. I'm literally throwing up my hands.

[Kevin Greenlee]

She literally threw up her hands.

[Anya Cain]

I feel terrible for the relatives of Officer Tony. This was just such a needless death. And, you know, they. They've been living with this for years. So ultimately that they're the people I feel the most bad for in this situation. But it's just a. It's just a sad situation all around. And it sounds like this guy Richie did a horrible thing, but at the same time, maybe he didn't have much of a shot at a decent life if his mother was in, you know, drinking while pregnant with him. So he was unfortunately not set up for success. And that's very sad. You feel bad for the kid that he was if he was raised in a home with abuse and neglect. But, yeah. So anything else we wanted to talk about before we bounce.

[Kevin Greenlee]

June is busting out all over just. June is days away. What are you excited about? The beginning of summer?

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, sure. What are you excited? What do you do with non sequitur?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, I'm just trying to have a pleasant chat with you about the upcoming season.

[Anya Cain]

What is that from?

[Kevin Greenlee]

June is busting out all over is from Carousel, one of the great Rodgers and Hammerstein musicals.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, I'm excited. This is the summer our book comes out, so that's all the way in August, though. It's at the end of August, I think August 26th, so we got a while for that. But please pre order, pre orders help us. Pre order, pre orders help us. And we're really excited for everyone to read it. I think it'll really give you a good sense of the Delphi case and what happened behind the scenes.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yes. A lot of details.

[Anya Cain]

A lot of details. A lot more. It's one of those cases where, like, we reported on it over the years, like, podcasting by nature is such a piecemeal, serialized sort of thing, especially when you're reporting on a case that's ongoing. This book is the way to kind of get the whole story, I think.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yes. With some stuff maybe you haven't heard before. And it was all in one easy place. Because, like, right now, if you say Oh, I want to hear everything there is to know about the Delphi case. Ani And I would say, okay, listen to 100 of our episodes.

[Anya Cain]

Sometimes when people are, like, giving really bad Delphi take, I want to say that, but that's kind of unreasonable. Sit down and spend hours listening to us talk at you. How do you say that to somebody? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. No, that's your whole career. I know, but it's hard to. It's hard to condense it sometimes. And we've tried to on the show. I think we've done episodes that have condensed it, but. And then you condense it too much and you lose details. I think the book is the correct medium for telling the story of a crime in general.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yes. Especially when the case is over.

[Anya Cain]

Yes. Yeah. It's been adjudicated. We can tell you the whole situation. And that's. Yeah. So I'm really excited for that to be out. And I guess if anyone has a, you know, if you want us to come, you know, to do a zoom for your book club or whatever or an event, please email us. We're really game and open to coming out and, like, talking with people about the book, so we'd be honored. And if it's something, you know, that's more of, like, a book club thing and you're in a different state, we can always, like, figure out a zoom situation. And I promise my. The bookshelves won't collapse while we're talking to you. Although if they did, that'd be a pretty exciting book club.

[Kevin Greenlee]

That'd be a pretty good story.

[Anya Cain]

We had to call 911 for a welfare check on them because everything just fell apart behind them. But, no, I think that would be fun. There's that. And then, you know, just let us know if you have, you know, an event that you want us at or a book fair.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We're.

[Anya Cain]

We're all ears right now. You look very nervous. I don't know why. Is this because of the birthday party thing we had recently where we were.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Talking about no surprise parties?

[Anya Cain]

Surprise party. It's not a surprise party. It's like, there's no surprise because we'd be going to them. We're not surprised.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You said, we're all ears. And do you remember there was this comic book series about a group of really elite pilots who are fighting Hitler and the Nazis during World War II, and they're called the Blackhawks? And the comic book series continues and is published up into the 1960s, and they said, gosh, it's not selling as well as it used to. What can we do? And somebody says, oh, let's turn them into superheroes here in the modern age. And so all of these pilots with their cool pilots jackets and everything and their cool pilot stories, now they're suddenly superheroes. And one of them, and this is my point, one of them becomes known as the Listener. I'm not sure I remember why, but his new uniform is like a garment that is just covered with pictures of ears. And so when you said we're all ears, that's what flashed into my mind. We're like the short lived superhero revival of Blackhawk and we're the listeners.

[Anya Cain]

Okay. Your mind is a fascinating place. And now I'm imagining all of our listeners wearing a little suit with like. Is it prints of ears or are they like actual ears popping out of that?

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's not actual humans.

[Anya Cain]

It's like a design. It's like.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's just a design.

[Anya Cain]

Okay, yeah, well, I maybe, I don't know, maybe you guys have some ideas from that.

[Kevin Greenlee]

No, I don't want to encourage that.

[Anya Cain]

You guys know what to do. No, you want to freak out, Kevin, just wear a shirt with a bunch of ears on it. But yeah, your mind is a fascinating diamond. I never, I never know what the hell. And like, I like how you asked me. Oh, do you remember? Yes, I remember this 1940s comic that is very obscure now. Of course I remember that. Yeah, I'm looking at the picture right now and it is pretty disturbing. And also, that guy just looks like he's wearing pajamas. And it looks kind of.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's like pajamas with a lot of pictures of ears on them.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And so that's what Anya says we are.

[Anya Cain]

No, that's not what I was saying. I did not. I do not understand your bizarre Blackhawk reference. That was not something I was at all going for. But again, if someone wants to freak Kevin out, maybe we have a surprise party. Maybe everyone is wearing an Ears shirt. Who knows? Who knows what's. I mean, if he's the Listener, isn't that what we always call people who listen to us? We're always saying the listeners. So are we specifically, have you think been thinking we've been talking to that guy this whole time?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Is this.

[Anya Cain]

Why are you turning red?

[Kevin Greenlee]

I think it's time to go.

[Anya Cain]

All right, thanks everyone for listening and we really appreciate you. And just let us know if you need anything.

[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

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[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

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