The Cheat Sheet: Sneakers and Set-Ups

Summary

Murder Sheet Podcast: "The Cheat Sheet: Sneakers and Set-Ups"

Release date: January 16, 2026
Hosts: Áine Cain (journalist) and Kevin Greenlee (attorney)

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Episode Overview

In this episode of "The Cheat Sheet," Áine and Kevin explore four recent, headline-making cases from Pennsylvania, Montana, Virginia, and Florida. Their journalistic discussion navigates heavy topics including parricide, police emergency entry, a murder-for-hire plot with a bizarre set-up, and a violent sneaker dispute. The hosts also bring their characteristic wit and warmth, balancing grave true-crime content with personal anecdotes and lighthearted asides.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Parental Shooting in Pennsylvania (Jared Noel Case)

[03:49–09:10]

• Case Details:

  • On December 26, 2025, 18-year-old Jared Noel allegedly shot both of his parents in New Freeport, Greene County, PA.
  • His mother, Mary Lynn, died; his father, James, survived despite a head wound.
  • The attack happened with two younger siblings inside the home (unharmed).
  • Jared fled to West Virginia, armed, where he was apprehended and confessed.
  • He is charged with homicide and attempted homicide; bail denied.
  • The case is handled by the Greene County District Attorney’s Office.

• Community Response:

  • Pennsylvania State Police Sgt. Richard Sizer:

    “We thank the community. We kind of moved in here and we were walking their properties and taking over streets and things that we needed to do to successfully resolve the incident. We’re glad it’s over.” (08:21)

• Hosts' Reflection:

  • Áine notes the recurring pattern of troubled young men committing family violence (relates to the Reiner case discussed previously).
  • She highlights the need for better mental health resources and early intervention:

    “A family should not be consigned to having violence done against them or even being murdered just because they happen to be related to someone who’s struggling. We should provide further resources for people to get their loved ones the help they need before it becomes violent and before there is a crisis like this.” (08:57)

2. Supreme Court Ruling: Police Emergency Entry (Case v. Montana)

[13:16–25:30]

• Case Background:

  • Incident in Anaconda, MT involving William Case, who called his ex-girlfriend and threatened suicide.
  • He reportedly threatened to “shoot them all” if police showed up; popping noise on the call led her to fear he’d shot himself.
  • Police, after assessing the risk and seeing evidence through windows (beer cans, note pad, gun holster), entered the home to render aid.
  • Upon entry, Case emerged holding a black object; officers shot and wounded him. He was charged with assaulting police.

• Legal Debate:

  • Case argued police shouldn’t enter without "probable cause," just a "reasonable belief".
  • Supreme Court unanimously ruled that "reasonable belief" is sufficient for warrantless entry in emergencies.

• Key Quotes:

  • Áine:

    “If you took that away, would it basically render a lot of possible emergency responses from police, like, they’d be unable to do their jobs?” (21:37)

  • Kevin:

    “If agents of the government or agents of the police are entering our residences, there needs to be standards explaining why and justifying it. It can’t just be willy nilly.” (22:09)

  • Justice Sotomayor’s concurring opinion is referenced, highlighting the increased risks to those with mental health challenges and urging caution.

    “[Sotomayor] talked about how people who have mental health conditions are actually more likely to be injured or killed during police interactions... maybe police should use other methods before just going into the home.” (24:50–25:11)

3. Virginia “Set-Up” Murder Trial (The Banfield-Perez Magalhães Affair)

[25:41–34:18]

• Case Overview:

  • In Herndon, VA, an au pair (Juliana Perez Magalhães) and her employer Brendan Banfield allegedly plotted to murder Brendan’s wife, Christine, during an elaborate set-up involving a third party, Joseph Ryan.
  • Banfield, an IRS investigator, and Perez Magalhães began an affair in August 2022.
  • Allegedly, they lured Joseph Ryan via a fetish site by impersonating Christine, staging a supposed consensual encounter with a “rape fantasy” ruse.
  • Once Ryan arrived, Banfield shot him; then Christine was stabbed to death.
  • Initial reports painted Banfield as defending his home, but investigators revealed the murder plot.

• Legal Developments:

  • Perez Magalhães flipped and is testifying for the prosecution; she pled guilty to manslaughter in a plea deal.
  • The defense attacks her credibility, citing conflicting jail communications and money from media producers.

• Notable Quote:

  • Áine Cain:

    “If he is found guilty and if there is the evidence there, then it sounds like somebody way overthinking a murder plot almost to the point of Columbo villain-esque ridiculousness and just so horrifying to do something like that to the mother of your child.” (33:52)

4. Florida Five Guys Sneaker Feud Turned Attempted Murder

[34:24–43:15]

• Incident Summary:

  • At a Five Guys restaurant, Jose Leonardo Jacon Martinez accused a fellow patron’s Air Jordans of being fake.
  • He requested the shoes for inspection—remarkably, the young man obliged.
  • The encounter devolved: after a philosophical exchange ("We're all the same people. Since everyone is human." (40:03)), Jacon threatened to retrieve his gun. He left and returned with a knife, attempting to stab the patron.
  • The victim evaded the attack and filmed Jacon, who then fled. Video evidence led to his arrest for attempted murder.

• Host Commentary:

  • Áine:

    “This is just one of those, like, just walk away. Like it’s just an awkward conversation, you know, like, how does this go from that to stabbing someone?” (41:55)

  • Kevin, relaying a police detective’s remarks:

    “‘Given his violent nature regarding a trivial matter such as counterfeit shoes, he is an imminent risk to society.’” (42:18)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Áine’s Reflection on Family Violence (Pennsylvania case):

  “A family should not be consigned to having violence done against them or even being murdered just because they happen to be related to someone who’s struggling.” (08:57)

• Supreme Court Case Rationale:

  • Áine:

    “[If] you took that away, would it basically render a lot of possible emergency responses from police... they’d be unable to do their jobs?” (21:37)

  • Kevin:

    “Our homes are our castles. We deserve to have privacy. If agents of the government... are entering our residences, there needs to be standards explaining why and justifying it. It can’t just be willy nilly.” (22:09)

• Virginia Set-up Case Absurdity:

  • Áine:

    “This sounds like somebody way overthinking a murder plot almost to the point of Columbo villain-esque ridiculousness...” (33:52)

• Five Guys Shoe Debacle:

  • The comment from the victim, elevating the moment:

    "We're all the same people. Since everyone is human." (40:03)

  • Áine, on the escalation:

    “This is just one of those, like, just walk away...” (41:55)

  • Kevin recounts detective’s assessment:

    “[He] is an imminent risk to society.” (42:18)

• Humorous Shoe Puns & Banter:

  • Áine:

    "I would think something suspicious was afoot." (38:09)

  • Kevin:

    “He thinks he's the shoe police.” (42:46)

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Additional Segments & Host Personalities

• Playful banter about U.S. states (Montana, Marion IN/OH):
  • Stressed the randomness of where significant cases begin and teased each other about their (lack of) visits to various states.
  • Áine humorously worries about Warren G. Harding fans avenging his honor in Marion, OH.
• Sneaker culture as viewed by “outsiders”:
  • The hosts, self-professed non-sneakerheads, marvel at the sneaker-trading world and reference their dog’s penchant for destroying shoes.
• Reflections on their new rescue dog, Nick:
  • The duo closes with affectionate stories and trials of puppy parenthood, tying back to themes of patience and unexpected challenges—carrying echoes of the episode’s true-crime themes in a lighthearted, domestic setting.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Case Summaries Begin: 03:49
• Pennsylvania Parricide (Jared Noel): 04:03–09:10
• Montana Supreme Court Case (Emergency Entry): 13:16–25:30
• Virginia Murder-for-Hire Scheme: 25:41–34:18
• Florida Sneaker Stabbing: 34:24–43:15
• Hosts’ Personal Anecdotes & Closing Banter: 43:21–54:31

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Final Thoughts

This episode showcases the hosts’ ability to tackle complex legal, psychological, and social dimensions of new true-crime stories in a way that’s both accessible and insightful, blended with their signature humor and conversational warmth. The four cases provide shocking yet illuminating looks at American violence—from intimate family betrayal, through legal line-drawing on police power, to murder plots with bizarre sexual setups, and even a near-deadly dispute over authenticity in sneakers.

For listeners seeking both thoughtful crime analysis and moments of levity, this "Cheat Sheet" truly delivers.

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Note: Sensitive content warnings apply (suicide, murder, sexual violence), as mentioned early in the episode [01:36].

Transcript

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[Kevin Greenlee]

In this episode of Cheat Sheet, we're gonna talk about some recent cases making the news, including a recent Supreme Court decision.

[Anya Cain]

Content Warning this episode contains discussion of suicide, rape and murder. So today on the Cheat Sheet, we're going to Virginia, going to Pennsylvania. Montana. Don't go there much. And Florida. I'm not telling people not to go to Montana. I'm just saying we've never have we been to Montana yet on the Cheat Sheet?

[Kevin Greenlee]

I'm shocked that you've begun the episode by completely alienating the good people of Montana. The Montanians. You know, that's the Empire State of the West.

[Anya Cain]

No, it's not. It's not.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's a beautiful state.

[Anya Cain]

Big Sky Country.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Big sky country or the Treasure Sea. Big Sky.

[Anya Cain]

No, you're not giving it a nickname.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Big Sky.

[Anya Cain]

Big sky for short. You're just going to call it Sky.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful state. One of our crown jewels in this great United States.

[Anya Cain]

I'm sure it's lovely. I was.

[Kevin Greenlee]

In my heart. In my heart. I'm there now.

[Anya Cain]

I can't even look at you. My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

[Anya Cain]

And this is the Murder Sheet.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews and deep dives into murder cases. We where the murder sheet and this.

[Anya Cain]

Is the cheat sheet. Sneakers and setups. So I think first we're going to Pennsylvania.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You have two cases and you're going to do one of yours, I'm going to do one of mine, and then you're gonna do one of yours and I'm gonna do one of mine. That's all I know. So you, you, you said, I wanna do the first one. So I don't know which of the two you have cooked up for us.

[Anya Cain]

So, Pennsylvania, my sources for this are WTRF and wtae. And I also looked at the sort of crime case portal for Pennsylvania. And this was also recommended by a listener. So thank you very much to that listener who recommended this. Always appreciate when you guys let us know that there's a case that might interest you or might be local to you. So this is the case that involves an 18 year old man named Jared Noel. And the events around this unfortunate tragedy took place on Friday, December 26, 2025. So the day after Christmas. And that was the day Jared Null is accused of shooting both of his parents. His parents being James and Mary Lynn Noel. His father, James, was wounded and his mother, Mary Lynn, died. So this occurred on Garrison Ridge Road in New Freeport in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania's Greene county troopers were called to the home just before 2pm and this is what James, who survived, said happened. He said that he was in the house with his two younger children and at some point he heard something that sounded like a firecracker. And then his other son Jared came into the house and was acting erratically. He said his neighbors were trespassing. And then, then he tried to go get a rifle from his bedroom. He was stopped from doing that. And then James went out to check the property. He heard a popping noise. And then it turned out Jared had shot him in the back of the head without saying a word. James called 911 saw his son run away. They looked for his wife, Mary Lynn, and she was found shot dead at the bottom of a hill on the property. The younger siblings were inside the home when this happened. They were not injured and the Knowles were rushed to J.W. ruby Memorial Hospital in Morganton, West Virginia. This is very close to the West Virginia border, mind you. And unfortunately, Mary Lynn did not survive and James was. He did recover and was later released despite being shot. So they were a married couple. And again, this is their 18 year old son. There's other kids in the family. Pennsylvania State Police started investigating and then West Virginia State Police ultimately tracked down Noel because he'd crossed the border and fled into West Virginia. He was armed with the.22 caliber handgun used to shoot his parents when he was arrested and he also confessed to the crime. He has been charged with homicide and attempted homicide. And from the Pennsylvania State Police, Sgt. Richard Sizer said, quote, we thank the community. We kind of moved in here and we were walking their properties and taking over streets and things that we needed to do to successfully resolve the incident. We're glad it's over. So referring to the impact this has had on their community. And I looked at the docket in his case. The last thing that happened was January 13, 2025, when this case was transferred to the Court of Common Pleas. Bail was denied for Noel. The arresting officer was listed as Justin Yeckley. The public defender is Marissa Ashley Stewart. And Greene County District Attorney's Office is trying the case. Obviously, extremely troubling. But I think the one thing that I would like to say about this, beyond just the facts that are listed here, is that this is something that should be for anyone who's been following like True Crime News, including a case that I'm about to reference that we have talked a bit about in the past. Cheat sheet. This should be raising some recognition about the Reiner case. Okay, so this is a situation where you also have a possibly troubled son attacking his family and murdering at least one parent in this case, and unfortunately with the Reiners, was both parents. So that is not something that knows boundaries in terms of race, in terms of how much money you have, where you live, even how many resources you can throw at the issue. It is something that is endemic. And I don't know what the situation with Jared Knoll was, whether there were warning signs, whether there was a mental health diagnosis, whether there were addiction issues, whether this completely came out of the blue, which can also happen. He was, he was young. He was 18 years old. Sometimes, if this has anything to do with a mental health issue that's not necessarily always diagnosed until, you know, early 20s. So this is something that I just think we should be aware of. This is a problem and you should not. A family should not be consigned to having violence done against them or even being murdered just because they happen to be related with someone to someone who's struggling. We should provide further resources for people to get their loved ones the help they need before it becomes violent and before there is a crisis like this.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So well said.

[Anya Cain]

I will step off my soapbox now.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well said as always.

[Anya Cain]

Thank you.

[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

Why you say that?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, it's true. You're a very well spoken young lady.

[Anya Cain]

Unbeknownst to everyone, Kevin was not listening when I was talking there he was struggling to get Nicholas to not eat the wires of the headphones.

[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

Yes, Nick is our new dog.

[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

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[Anya Cain]

I'm done.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Very well said.

[Anya Cain]

I'm done with everything.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Very well said.

[Anya Cain]

Thank you.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Couldn't have said it better.

[Anya Cain]

Wow.

[Kevin Greenlee]

This is the confidence I have in you.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. I could have just been like declaring like anything. I could have been saying aliens did all the crimes and you'd be like, that was so well said, babe.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, don't you appreciate so right. The trust. The trust I have.

[Anya Cain]

I do appreciate it.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So now we are going to hop on the cane train and go all the way to Montana, the great state of Montana. A state everybody should visit.

[Anya Cain]

We all love Montana. We know someone from Montana. I'm not gonna say who.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Do we?

[Anya Cain]

Yes.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Is it a dear friend?

[Anya Cain]

It's a dear friend of one of my sisters.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Oh, oh. Oh, yeah. A dear friend of one of your sisters. Know him quite well. And so my sources for this, this is a Supreme Court case of case versus Montana. And our source for this is the Supreme Court case. The decision in that case as well as Scotus blog. And this case, Anya, this case started in one of your favorite communities, Anaconda, Montana.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Remember Death in the west that we listened to? It was a podcast. It got into Anaconda, and like the silver mining and all the history, it was great.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So this is a town of less than 10,000 people. I was looking up, trying to find more about Anaconda to see if they had any nicknames for the town. But did you know that Bridget. Bridget. Lizzie Borden's maid. Bridget went to Anaconda after the Borden murders, and that's where she ended her. Spent her final days.

[Anya Cain]

Wow. Do you think that she knew more than she said in the crime?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Very possible. So maybe the secret to the Lizzie Borden affair lies in the great town of Anaconda in the great state of Montana.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. Weren't there a lot of Irish out there for the mining industry?

[Kevin Greenlee]

I think there were.

[Anya Cain]

We tip our hat to the Irish.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You love Montana.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, obviously.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And I always think it's just kind of interesting how a relatively small event in a town of 10,000 people can become the basis of a case that makes it all the way to the United States Supreme Court.

[Anya Cain]

Get on the big stage.

[Kevin Greenlee]

That's right. And I'm talking about this case in particular because it kind of relates to an issue we were talking about in the Tappy case, which is when can police come into your home without your consent?

[Anya Cain]

And that in a tepe case, police show up for a wellness check they can't get. No one comes to the door, so they leave. So people were like, why didn't they just break down the door?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Right. And in this case, this case involves a man named William Case.

[Anya Cain]

What? Oh, Bill Case?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yes.

[Anya Cain]

It's the Case Case.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's the Case. He calls. He has a history of alcohol abuse, things of that nature. Same Bill, one day he calls his former girlfriend and says, guess what, former girlfriend? I'm gonna kill myself.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, no.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And according to the girlfriend, or the former girlfriend, he sounds kind of erratic, and she thinks it sounds like he may have been drinking. And she tries to talk him out of ending his life, but she can't really get to him. And so as time continues to pass, he seems to become more and more convinced this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to kill myself. And he has a big plan. He says he's going to write a note and he's going to shoot himself. And she hears at one point, a metallic clicking sound, which he believes is the sound of a Gun being caught. And she says to him, I don't want you to do this. I'm going to call the police. And that just upsets him even more. And he says, well, if the police come, I'm going to shoot them all too.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, Jesus.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And after that, she hears kind of a popping noise and then nothing. So she is convinced he has pulled the trigger. And so she calls 91 1. And shortly thereafter, three police officers meet her outside his home and to do a welfare check. And they knock on the door. He doesn't answer. They know about his history of alcohol abuse and mental health issues. They know he has a history of threatening suicide. And they know that he previously had tried to commit suicide by cop. So they weren't sure what to do. And they go to the extent of having their police chief come out to the scene to consult with them. And while they're waiting for him, you know, they walk all around the house and they knock on the doors. They're yelling, yelling. They're shining their flashlights inside. The only things they can see are empty beer cans. They see an empty gun holster and a notepad that has some writing on it. So the things they're seeing are consistent with what the former girlfriend says she experienced in the phone call. Right. You know, he's drinking, he has a gun. He said he was going to do a suicide note. Look, here's a notepad that has some writing on it that could be the suicide note. So by this time, the chief arrives and they make the decision, we have to go in. They equip themselves with a shield in long barrel guns. They enter the house loudly announcing, we're coming in, we're police. And as they start going through the house, they go into an upstairs room. And as they walk into the room, Mr. Case is in a closet that has a curtain in front of it. He throws that curtain open and he appears and he's holding a black object. And the police believe that could be a gun. They fire at him, they strike him in the abdomen. And subsequently a gun is recovered from a laundry basket near where he is standing. And so he is charged with assaulting a police officer. And so the question Mr. Casey raises in his question ultimately reaches the Supreme Court of the United States. Is, is it okay that the police came into his house in those circumstances, what are your thoughts?

[Anya Cain]

My thoughts are, I'm surprised it got that far to the Supreme Court of the United States. It seems pretty obvious to me that, yeah, that that's appropriate.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, there's some question because he was trying to make the case that they should only be allowed to enter a person's home in those circumstances if their evidence for something wrong in the house rises to the level of probable cause, which is usually a term used in police investigations. And in this case, it didn't rise to that level. It just rose to the level of a reasonable belief. Based on the information they had, there was a reasonable belief that he could be inside, perhaps bleeding from a bullet wound, but they didn't necessarily have enough evidence for a probable cause. And no big surprise, the court agreed with you that a reasonable belief standard is enough to justify entry into a house in those circumstances.

[Anya Cain]

Am I crazy or. If you took that away, would it basically render a lot of, like, possible emergency responses from police, like, they'd be unable to do their jobs. So, yeah, I.

[Kevin Greenlee]

If, God forbid, this person had actually shot himself and was lying in there needing aid, you know, a lengthy delay could have cost him his life.

[Anya Cain]

I think there should be standards, and a reasonable belief seems like a decent standard in those circumstances. Is it always going to be perfect? No, nothing is. It stinks that this guy got shot, but then again, he also, you know.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I mean, there absolutely needs to be standards. Our homes are our castles. We deserve to have privacy. If agents of the government or agents of the police are entering our residences, there needs to be standards explaining why and justifying it. It can't just be willy nilly. And I also think it's important to note that in the opinion the justice has said, if police come into your home to render aid in an emergency situation, that doesn't give them a blank check to then conduct a search of other areas that they don't need to enter.

[Anya Cain]

That makes sense.

[Kevin Greenlee]

If they thought you were in trouble and needed help, Anya, they couldn't usually am. They couldn't come in and then just, like, go into the kitchen and be looking under the bed to see if you have any stolen cereal, they better not do that. Does that make sense?

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, this seems incredibly reasonable. I'm sorry. Like, again, it stinks that he got shot, but, like, also, like, I mean.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, he's more concerned about the. The charges against him for assault.

[Anya Cain]

It's good that he didn't die, but, like, I mean, this guy sounds. I don't know, like, I feel like police tried to do their best with this situation and, you know, it. I don't feel like they did anything wrong. And I also don't feel. I'm curious. What was the breakdown on this one in terms of the Supreme Court, like Justice Wise words. Was anyone against this?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Or they all. It was a unanimous decision. There were some concurring opinions issued.

[Anya Cain]

So they all agreed. So the Supreme Court in 2026, everyone agreed on this one?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yes.

[Anya Cain]

Wow.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's a concurring. An opinion is basically when a justice writes an opinion saying, well, I agree with the result. I have some, a few other things to say. Like, for instance, I'm going to riff on this one. They say, for instance, Justice Gorsuch wrote a concurring opinion in which he was just talking about, oh, the history of the, the right that gives government the, the ability to come in to render aid in, in an emergency.

[Anya Cain]

But they're all still agreeing.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah. He says, you know, the law generally allows if a private individual sees someone injured in a home, he's able to go in and render aid. So if that's the case, why shouldn't the police have a similar. Right, Right.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. I mean, it's. Yeah. So you're not surprised by this and you're not concerned that it's going to somehow make it. So everyone's rights are gone.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah.

[Anya Cain]

You're not too worried about it.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And Justice Sonia Sotomayor, in her concurring opinion, she talked about how people who have mental health conditions are actually more likely to be injured or killed during police interactions. So.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. Right. What does that have to do with.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So in some instances, she says maybe police should use other methods before just going into the home. And that shouldn't necessarily be the first move they make in those sorts of instances. But in this particular instance, she felt that what they did was reasonable.

[Anya Cain]

Right. That makes sense. Well, it's interesting. But yeah, it's, it's, it seems like everything kind of ultimately made sense with that ruling. So back to.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So I think you wanted to go to the Keystone. No, we already were in the Keystone.

[Anya Cain]

State going to the Keystone. We're going to the old dimension, the Old Dominion. Virginia.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Virginia. That's where you got your learning?

[Anya Cain]

That is where I got my learning. I was learned there. So this is a case that's actually gone.

[Kevin Greenlee]

What's your source?

[Anya Cain]

Well, cnn.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Ah.

[Anya Cain]

The case has gotten a lot of national attention. And when you hear the details of it, that is not surprising in the least. It has a lot of what a lot of the kind of national media is looking for in a case, frankly. Because, I mean, not to sound jaded, but they tend to go for certain things.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And you sound a bit jaded.

[Anya Cain]

I sound a bit. I am a bit jaded, to be honest. And yeah, so let's go back to October of 2021. That's approximately when a young woman from Brazil, her name is Juliana Perez Magaliajes, she went to work as an au pair for a couple in suburban Virginia, Fairfax county, specifically Herndon, Virginia. And she was gonna watch the young daughter of a couple, and they were Christina, I'm sorry, rather, Christine and Brendan Banfield. Brendan was an International Revenue Service investigator, so he was a federal agent. And she, you know, I mean, au pair, no pair situation. You're, you're caring for a child. You're, you're in the house. It's a, it's a thing a lot of people do. But I'll get, I'll get into some of the allegations later. But let's just go to February 24, 2023. That is when something absolutely shocking happened. That was when a young, a man named Joseph ryan, who was 39 years old, he got into the home, the family home in Herndon, Virginia, and he was shot by Brendan Banfield. And Christine Banfield was found dead of stab wounds. She was 37 years old and she, she was killed and so was Ryan. And at first, I think this probably looked to some like a tragic case of a intruder getting into a home and murdering a woman and then getting shot by the husband in self defense, who's like, trying to respond and protect himself and protect his wife. But through an investigation, the Commonwealth of Virginia ultimately says now that it was far, far more sinister than even that. And what they allege and what they say investigators found was that Banfield had actually been carrying out an affair with Magalyahis. So the father and husband of the household having an affair with the au pair. And he was subsequently charged with aggravated murder and several related counts. And he pled not guilty to those. So he's currently facing up to life in prison. And meanwhile, Magalya, who he's accused of having this affair with, she's flipped. So she's testifying for the prosecution, and she's gotten herself a deal where she pleads guilty to manslaughter, and that part of that deal is her testifying. And so right now, the trial is underway. We're recording this on January 15th, and I believe it started Monday. So it's been going on and you're hearing some of the evidence come out and some of the testimony and these two competing narratives of what really happened there that day in the suburbs of Virginia. And this is what Magalya has to say. She claims that she flipped on Banfield over guilt and shame of what she had done. She said that her affair with him began in August of 2022, and that shortly thereafter, Brendan Banfield began to hatch a plan to kill his wife, she said. Malgo has said that Banfield said his wife was a bad mom, that he didn't want to pay to get a divorce or share custody of their daughter with her. Keep in mind, this is from, you know, this is allegedly. And this is also from someone who allegedly killed her. So, I mean, I don't think there's any worse parenting decision than killing your spouse. So I just want to note that. But anyway, so he. They. They kind of launched this scheme. They had the idea we're going to lure a guy to the house and make it look like he did it. So they're essentially trying to get a patsy, a fall guy to come in the house and so that they can have someone to blame for her murder. But in order to do that, you also need to kill that person, because otherwise they will talk and it will fall apart. So they got an account. Banfield set up an account on a fetish website, and in that account, he was pretending to be Christine. So he's. He's messaging people as if he is Christine, but it's really with the intent of setting up this murder and framing someone. So Joseph Ryan was ultimately their mark. He was messaged, and what. He. He was talking with what he believed to be Christine Banfield. But prosecutors say he was actually talking to Brendan Banfield and that he was being lured in for what was supposed to be a consensual sexual encounter that was posited as, like, a rape fantasy. So in. In this case, that would be like, it's a consensual encounter. But, oh, when you come in, I'm going to scream, and you should just cut my clothes off and tie me up and. And rape me. But, like, it's consensual. So it's. It's. Does that make sense?

[Kevin Greenlee]

That makes sense.

[Anya Cain]

Okay, so that's what mogul Yahis has been testifying. So she's been on the stand for a couple of days. She's been kind of talking about what happened. Now, the defense, you know, in their opening statement, and certainly just, I'm sure throughout the trial, they're challenging this. They're. They're saying that she has no credibility, that she's flipping just to get a good, you know, deal. They're saying that in some of her jail communications, she's denying that Banfield had anything to do with It. And she's saying she's the one who made a mistake. So they're understandably attacking her credibility because she's obviously a pretty big witness for the commonwealth. And yeah, so. And she's saying, hey, I, I, I can't live with the shame anymore. And I did make a deal. The defense, I think, brought up that she talked to a lot of media producers and some of them have put money on her commissary account because they want her to sell her story. So, you know, that's concerning. And this is kind of the timeline of though what she says actually happened. So she says that and this was all according to the plan, that she took out the Banfield's daughter into a car near their family home and watched as Ryan arrived. And then she called Christine, knowing that Christine's phone had been shut off by Banfield on purpose, and then called Banfield, pretending, you know, almost to say, oh, a guy went into the house. What's going on? Like, as part of the story, Banfield was at a McDonald's where he was waiting for this all to happen. He drove back home and he and Magalyas went in through the basement. They left the young daughter there. They went up to the bedroom. Christine yelled for help, said the guy had a knife. Ryan was there looking shocked. And what Magalya said was that Banfield then shot Ryan. Christine asked Perez Magalyahes to call 911, but Banfield told her to hang up. And then Banfield stabbed his wife to death. And that is, that's what they're saying on the defense side. They've claimed so far that the investigators first felt that Christine Banfield was in fact the one using her devices. So they seem to be saying, no, no, this is all just a misunderstanding. So that's where we are with that case. But it's going to be interesting to see what verdict the jury ultimately hands.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Down as it is. We're following that one very closely.

[Anya Cain]

Obviously, you know, guilty. I mean, I'm gonna say we're gonna see what the results of the case is and what the results of the evidence is. If this, if he is found guilty and if there is the evidence there, then it sounds like somebody way overthinking a murder plot almost to the point of a Colombo villain esque ridiculousness and just so horrifying to, to do something like that to the mother of your child. It's horrifying.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It really is.

[Anya Cain]

Like, it makes me sick. Anyways, on to Florida.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Florida. We're going to wrap up in the great state of Florida.

[Anya Cain]

The Sunshine State.

[Kevin Greenlee]

The Sunshine State. So we'll be spending the weekend, I guess, in Florida.

[Anya Cain]

Well, no, we're not.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, metaphorically, because that's where we're going to say goodbye to the people and then we'll be there.

[Anya Cain]

And something bad going to happen.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, no, at the end of the episode and we say good night everybody, we'll be in Florida.

[Anya Cain]

Okay.

[Kevin Greenlee]

See I'm like two moves ahead of you here.

[Anya Cain]

I guess you are.

[Kevin Greenlee]

My source for this is localtin.com and I'm going to admit to you that there was a time I didn't realize like shoes and sneakers were a thing. By which I mean I understood you never wear shoes. Yeah, I understand that people wear shoes.

[Anya Cain]

But of a bumpkin yourself, you just turned bright red.

[Kevin Greenlee]

But when I met you, when I met you, one of your colleagues at the time was like on the sneaker beat.

[Anya Cain]

She was, she was really good. Yeah.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And it was like a huge thing. People like are like trading shoes like on little shoe markets. I don't understand it. And so I don't mean to, I don't understand it, but there's a lot of things I don't understand. I have a lot of interests that other people don't understand. But it's like a huge deal, isn't it?

[Anya Cain]

It really is a big, big deal.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Do you understand it?

[Anya Cain]

Maybe a little bit. Certainly not my thing. I'm, I'm not a big clothes horse or shoe pony or whatever.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I don't know, a shoe pony.

[Anya Cain]

I, I was just trying to think of something that would go with clothes horse. I, it, to me, it, it's not a, it's not a, something I've ever really taken much, much interest in.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Have you ever thought about.

[Anya Cain]

I, like, I mean I was really excited when I was in middle school. My parents got me Converse and I was pretty happy about that.

[Kevin Greenlee]

But, but as an adult you've never really dallied in the shoe trade.

[Anya Cain]

All the, the only thing I'm doing with shoes now is trying to keep our new dog from chewing all of my shoes, which is his favorite activity.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Is very ambitious on your part.

[Anya Cain]

There's been, there's been some crises here.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So this involves a man named Jose Leonardo Jacon Martinez, 34 year old man. I guess shoes are important to him.

[Anya Cain]

And, and I will say they can be like worth a lot of money too. Like that's important. Like it's not, it's not like it's not just oh, I love shoes. It's like there's money involved.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So Jacon is at a five guys. Many of us have been at five guys restaurants at one time or another in our existence. It's a hamburger place. He's in there and he sees a guy sitting with his friends. And one of these guys is wearing Air Jordan shoes. I guess that's a big thing. And for some reason Jacon says, oh, I know what I'll do. I'll go up to this guy, this stranger, this man I've never met, and tell him the shoes are fake. And he says that. And he even asks this person who's wearing the shoes, can you remove the shoe so I can get a closer look at it? And for some reason this happens.

[Anya Cain]

Taking your shoes off out of five guys.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I can't imagine you being in a public place and someone saying, hey, Anya, can I look at your shoe? And you taking it off and saying, sure. Here.

[Anya Cain]

I would think something suspicious was afoot.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, you're proud of that one, aren't you?

[Anya Cain]

Yes. No, but seriously, what.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So if someone comes up to me and says, can I look at your shoe? I would say, just, shoe go away. We've got a million of them here, folks.

[Anya Cain]

Everyone's stop listening already. They're just done with us after this one.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So the guy, Mr. Chacon, is like looking at the shoe and he says, I've never before seen a shoe where the name has been erased. So therefore the shoe is obviously a counterfeit shoe. And the guy says, no, it's just what happens to a shoe with rain, sweat and normal wear. But Mr. Jacon doesn't let it go. For some reason, he tells this group of friends that he arrived in this country eight years ago by plane and it owned many pairs of Jordans that did not look like that. And the group was younger and lacked knowledge regarding the shoes.

[Anya Cain]

Where is this going? I love that there was no crime here, just a weird, awkward interaction.

[Kevin Greenlee]

No, there's a crime here. This is attempted murder.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, no. How do we get. How do we go? How do we get there?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Strap in. So at this point, the ultimate victim in this case interrupts Mr. Jacon and says, why does it matter?

[Anya Cain]

Yes, I'm with him.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Whether you've been in the country for eight years or how you arrived. And Jacon is outraged by the impertinence. And he says, you're going to ask me that? You guys are a bunch of kids. And the victim replies, we're all the same people. Since everyone is human.

[Anya Cain]

I love that guy.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So very philosophy this discussion.

[Anya Cain]

He's right.

[Kevin Greenlee]

This discussion about shoes turns into a philosophical musing on the nature of life and our common linked humanity. But the guy, Jacon, he just keeps going on and on. And the victim says, maybe you should go. And so that just got Jacon even angrier. And he says, well, I'll go, but I'm going to go and get my gun.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, why? Just go home.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And he says, I'll be back, you shall see. And in fact, five or ten minutes later, the victim in the case feels a tug on his shoulder and quote, the victim stated that believing it was his friends playing around, he turned around and observed Jacon holding a large kitchen knife with which he attempted to stab him in the torso.

[Anya Cain]

Oh my God.

[Kevin Greenlee]

The victim stated that he quickly stood up from the bench and took out his phone to record Jacon. Meanwhile, Jacon keeps on trying to stab him, but he is ultimately dissuaded from stabbing him because of the fact that he's being recorded by a phone.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, okay. So like you can stab someone but you know they're filming you and then what?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, and so he then gets into a car and drives off. But the, the video of the incident has, gets the license plate number so we're able to identify him and he is, is arrested and charged with attempted murder. So I, I, I just thought that was quite a ride. I've had experiences in five guys in other fast food places, but none quite like this. Have you?

[Anya Cain]

No, I not none quite like this. As you said, I, I'm, this is, this is one of those things where like sometimes you see like some situation escalating and like, even though you don't agree with it and it's horrible that there was an outcome, like you can almost see it. This is just one of those, like just walk away. Like it's just an awkward conversation, you know, like, how does this go from that to stabbing someone?

[Kevin Greenlee]

So the police asked for him to be held without bond. The judge granted that. The police detective who prepared the report wrote, quote, given his violent nature regarding a trivial matter such as counterfeit shoes, he is an imminent risk to society.

[Anya Cain]

Agreed. If you can be set off over something as minimal as that, and it's not like someone's even coming up to him, hey, your shoes are fake, man. He's going and starting stuff with other people.

[Kevin Greenlee]

He thinks he's the shoe police.

[Anya Cain]

He thinks he is the shoe police. And you know, he's being real prison and shoe prison, presumably.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I don't know, shoe prison. Is that like a diorama? Of a prison in a shoebox.

[Anya Cain]

I guess so. I don't like it. I'm really glad this poor guy didn't die because like, what a stupid way to die could some nut just is coming at you with a knife because you disagreed with his opinions on shoes like that. I would be so mad, you know.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You would be mad.

[Anya Cain]

I would be mad if someone killed me over like that, you know? First of all, you have a grand scheme.

[Kevin Greenlee]

First of all, you'd be dead.

[Anya Cain]

Second of all, I'd still be mad.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I think you'd be mad if people killed you for any reason.

[Anya Cain]

That's true.

[Kevin Greenlee]

There's not a case where well, oh, you want to kill me for this reason? Well, you got me.

[Anya Cain]

I don't know.

[Kevin Greenlee]

That's fair.

[Anya Cain]

Would you really, like, blame the local Walmart manager who I presumably heisted so many times if they were just like set up somewhere sniper style, like, go ahead, try it one more time. We can't blame them.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You like their joker?

[Anya Cain]

I'm like their joker. Yeah. I've been doing serial, I've been doing themed crimes and they're probably sick of it and they might be getting heat from, you know, like upstairs, you know, of course upstairs.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Upstairs here is nothing but boxes of cereal.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. Because that's what we've been doing. So I'm just saying, like, in that case, I would probably somewhat deserve it.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So in that case, if someone wanted to kill you for your serial crimes.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You'd say, sure.

[Anya Cain]

Well, I keep getting away with it, you know, I'm just saying I wouldn't be happy about it, but I wouldn't blame them. Also, this didn't happen. This is not something I've actually been doing. I'm just like, I just have Stockholm syndrome from dealing with you all day.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, I would be upset if people killed me for any reason.

[Anya Cain]

Okay, you. There's no reason to kill you. You're saying there's no ever. You can't even convince me I'm wrong.

[Kevin Greenlee]

What's a good reason to kill?

[Anya Cain]

I'm not going to say that. That sounds terrible.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Anya Cain]

Maybe if you like, I don't know, maybe if you were in a situation where you like, made up rumors about someone close to you and then put them on a podcast and then made a joke that like they were doing these crimes consistently and then everyone was, you know, haha, serial. Maybe, maybe that would.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Are you telling our audience that you believe you have good reason to kill me? So now if I end up dead, you've Made yourself suspect number one.

[Anya Cain]

Just remember.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Smooth move, Professor.

[Anya Cain]

Maybe we could talk about a life insurance options lyric. No, I'm not gonna kill you. I love because you're my little sweetie. Who else is going to help me wrangle this wild dog in our house?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Let's talk about. You said you wanted to mention an upcoming event. Then we could talk a little bit about young Nicholas.

[Anya Cain]

Yes. So this event is going to be pretty cool. And for any events that we have, of which right now there is only one, you should go to murdersheetpodcast.com and then go to the little tab that says events. And you'll see what we got coming up. And you'll see that the only thing we've got coming up right now is Thursday, March 12, 2026 in Marion, Ohio. We're going to the Buckeyes State and it's going to be at the Marion Library at 6:30pm Eastern Time. And this is Marion, Ohio. Don't go to Marion, Indiana.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Go to Marion, Indiana. That's a fine community. You're telling people, don't go to Montana. And now you're telling people, don't go to Marion, Indiana, which is a wonderful town. What is wrong with you?

[Anya Cain]

Are you quite done? I just don't want people to show up there and be like, wow, the murder, she ditched us. We didn't. We're just in the wrong Marion Francis Marion was like a big deal. So everything's named after him, including Marion County, Indiana, and Marion.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Marion, Marion, Ohio is also the birthplace, I believe, of President Warren G. Harding. Yes, very interesting president, very interesting man. Perhaps as we get closer, I can.

[Anya Cain]

Share some of conspiracy theories about him.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Well, not so much conspiracy theories, but we could have a lively discussion about his love life.

[Anya Cain]

Is he. Is it true that he had a secret child?

[Kevin Greenlee]

There is so much fascinating about this man.

[Anya Cain]

And he was like he was doing some naughty stuff in the. Like he was having some affairs.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We could have lively discussions about his love life, but I don't know how much we should say because we're going to marry and I don't want people to go there.

[Anya Cain]

We're going to get jumped. By the. By the Warren Harding, Warren G. Harding fans, the Harding heads.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So if you got killed, if you got killed by Warren G. Harding fans, would you consider that to be a good reason?

[Anya Cain]

I wouldn't even be mad. I just wouldn't even be surprised at this point. It just feels.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I think you'd enjoy the whimsy of it.

[Anya Cain]

Like it's rich. Yeah. No, I. So we're going to be there in Marion, Ohio. So maybe if you listen to us and you're in Ohio and you're not too far away, maybe go to that and we'll see you there.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And then afterwards, if you want to do something else that would be fun, make the drive over to Marion, Indiana.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Great place.

[Anya Cain]

You're really worried. I. Guys, I have nothing against Marion, Indiana. I like it.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You literally said, don't go to Marion.

[Anya Cain]

Indiana this instance if you expect to see us there. I'm not in general, I'm not like, banning people from going there. What is that dog doing? What is he eating?

[Kevin Greenlee]

He's just enjoying a toy.

[Anya Cain]

Okay. I thought he was like eating a shoe again. Anyways, so here. So that's at 6:30pm March 12, 2026. We're going to do a presentation. I think you can get tickets. Well, you're supposed to be able to click a link and get tickets, but it looks like I actually set that up on the website wrong. So I will remedy that issue. So. But yeah, go there. Click on that. And I think there's like, tickets you need to get. So, like, do that. Yay. Anyways. What? Tell, tell.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And meanwhile, go to Montana. Go to Marion, Indiana. All these are great places full of wonderful people and delightful activities.

[Anya Cain]

Okay.

[Kevin Greenlee]

They're all Empire State.

[Anya Cain]

Kevin's trying to suck up to everyone, just like you tried to suck up to everyone with the sports teams. Except now we kind of ruined your. You were saying go sports and go teams, but now we've ruined that because we're rooting for iu.

[Kevin Greenlee]

For. You know, for you is like a Hoosier who at nanny.

[Anya Cain]

Don't say that. I don't like that phrase. Why do you say things? We. We started caring. Is it. Did you ever expect to be a person who cared about football?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah. I enjoy Friday Night Lights.

[Anya Cain]

Okay, so maybe there was some signs. There were some. There were some red flags for. For me. I never thought I would. It's not that I ha. It's just that I just didn't think I was going to get into it, but I bought into the magic of this Hoosier team. And I will be devastated if things do not work out in their favor, but I'm very excited about them. I love. I love Signetti, I love Mendoza. I love all of that. We were watching. I made an observation that I think you. You were slightly disturbed by when we were watching the last. The Oregon game.

[Kevin Greenlee]

You say a lot of things that I find disturbing. So what what are you.

[Anya Cain]

Do you remember I said that? I felt, you know, people were like, signetti's never happy. They're dominating Oregon. And he's frowning and shaking his head. And I said, I'm the Signetti of your life. I said, I came in, I whipped you into shape. Within two years, you were a successful podcaster. You know, I built the program from the ground up and, you know, no one would have expected that. And now when, you know, when we're doing anything, I'm just like, no, we gotta keep going. We gotta keep pushing it. Not happy yet. So that's fun for you to live with.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Another thing that's fun to live with is our new dog, Nick. You've never had a puppy before?

[Anya Cain]

No, I've never had a puppy before.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And you're finding it interesting and a little challenging at times, but you've also become a very proud puppy mama.

[Anya Cain]

Now I'm like, I'm like, you know, now, like, we always run into this on Covering true crime, but I'm like, I'm like the mom making excuses like, oh, he's just nervous because he's home from the shelter. So, like, you know, he'll be doing, like, murders next. And I'll be like, oh, it's just. He didn't mean to do it.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And we took some advice. We took him to a training class.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, yeah, tell him about how that went.

[Kevin Greenlee]

He spent a day at a training class. You were very sad because he wasn't with us.

[Anya Cain]

I was. I missed him. He's so sweet and cute and adorable.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And in the middle of the day, they sent, like, pictures of how he was doing, and you were, like, just grinning from ear to ear.

[Anya Cain]

He was so.

[Kevin Greenlee]

That's my boy.

[Anya Cain]

He's so friggin cute. And I'm obsessed with him. So when I complain about him, sometimes I feel like people post in our groups, they'll be like, yeah, he's destroying all her stuff. And they're like, oh, just give him some time. He'll be good. I'm like, I don't care. Let him. He's had a hard life. He's just a little puppy child. He's so cute. And right now he's going nuts on the couch eating a toy. But he's a really sweet guy and we love him very much already. And I'm obsessed with him. He's so freaking cute. But he apparently was. We want to see how he's doing with other dogs. Because eventually, when it's right, and if it's a good Fit for him. We would like to maybe explore getting another dog so we can have a Nick and Nora, but, you know, but we're not. We're not. We're not open for that yet. Like, he. He needs to calm down and be settled. You know, there's the kind of three, three, three rule. Three days, three weeks, three months. And so we're just trying to make him feel confident that this is his forever home and make him comfortable. So we're not on the market for that, but at some point, we will be. But I say that to. Oh, why is he going on the dining room table, sir? Oh, my God. Are you kidding me? I can see him. Hey, come on. That's ridiculous. You have so much food, and you have so many toys. He's like, no, I want to eat. I want to eat the candlesticks. So, yeah, no, he's great. He's really sweet, and he's fun, and he's very high energy. They told us he was part husky, but we kind of almost are getting the vibe he's not a husky because he's not vocal at all. I know not all huskies are, but he almost. Some people have said maybe German shepherd. We don't know. Definitely some part, you know, part retriever of some kind. And he's great. He. They said at the. At the shell at the place. He. He was very exuberant with the other dogs, maybe somewhat rude and may have been trying to mount them, but I. You know, hopefully the other dogs will help correct his embarrassing behavior so that he can be a functioning member of society. Is that what they told us?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, that's what they told us.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. Was there anything else?

[Kevin Greenlee]

You. You were very embarrassed.

[Anya Cain]

I was. I. I thought. I. I was glad it wasn't worse. I mean, he wasn't getting into fights. He wasn't being, like, trying to bite other dogs. He was just maybe. Well, maybe he. Maybe that was part of the rudeness, but he was. You know, hopefully they'll mentor him. What? Why are you putting your head down?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, you've just never had a puppy before.

[Anya Cain]

Have you had a puppy?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, yeah. You had a puppy. How did that go?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Very well. Okay.

[Anya Cain]

Well, I think this is going great too. He's really cute, and we love him. He's actually. I will say he has his naughty moments, but he's been very responsive so far. You know, I'm gonna say this, and he's gonna be, like, burning down the house behind me. Oh, do you want to say something?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Oh.

[Anya Cain]

Oh, my God.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Right now. He's tried to tell us that maybe we've talked too much in this episode and it's time to wrap up. He's climbing all over Anya.

[Anya Cain]

Oh my God. Yeah, I was just saying something nice about you jerk.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So should we.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, let's put.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I think it's time for us to spend our weekend in Florida. Ian just needs to figure out a way to reach Patch the dog to hit the butt.

[Anya Cain]

Jesus freaking Christ.

[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

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[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

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