C (2:39)

That just sounds weird at this point. Shall we move on? Or is there something else you wanted to say about this matter? So.

B (2:48)

So you're saying you're tired of the train?

C (2:51)

I'm just saying that it just sounds weird at some point. That's all I'm saying.

B (2:56)

Do you think we should, like, move into the jet age?

C (2:59)

I don't know. And also, I don't know why the burden is being put. We both come to the situation with different cases that we selected. How is that me picking the itinerary?

B (3:09)

Well, you're the one that insisted on naming the train after yourself.

C (3:13)

No, I didn't.

B (3:15)

See, if I said, oh, we're going to take the Kevin Carr, then I would plan it.

C (3:20)

Yeah, okay. You're totally, totally nuts.

B (3:26)

I mean, Kane Train.

C (3:29)

My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.

B (3:32)

And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

C (3:34)

And this is the Murder Sheet.

B (3:36)

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases.

C (3:43)

We're the Murder Sheet, and this is the cheat sheet. Unhoused and unidentified. Sam?

B (4:33)

So we're going to start in California, which, of course, is the Golden Empire State of the West. And my source for this is abc7.com and I don't think we mentioned this at the time, but a few weeks ago, a former NFL player named Kevin Johnson was found murdered in a homeless encampment in California. Apparently, his life had taken some twists and turns, and this is where he found himself. Living in a homeless encampment. An enormous tragedy for many reasons. Now, it has since come out that between October of 2025 and January of 2026, four different homeless people living in that area have been murdered. And so authorities are beginning to wonder if perhaps there is a serial killer targeting homeless people in that area. That area, to be specific, is some encampments along the LA river in a section sometimes called Compton Creek or Willowbrook. I like to give the names of these people that have been murdered because they certainly deserve that. Kevin Johnson I mentioned back In October of 2025, a woman named Michelle Steele, she was killed from a gunshot to the head. A few weeks later, a man named Octavio Arias was killed from head and neck trauma. Then, of course, Mr. Johnson was killed in January. And a few days later, another person, Mauro Alfaro, a man in his 50s, was killed as a result. Result of blunt force trauma. Police have, I believe, like, eight detectives working on this case. They say it is challenging because some of the people in these homeless Communities don't really feel comfortable sharing a lot of information with police. And police also indicate they don't have any hard evidence that these crimes are committed. But just when they look at the fact that they all seem to be happening in the same area in a similar time, it seems to be a possibility worth investigation that they're linked.

C (7:19)

You mean if you say committed, but someone's definitely killing people, but they may or may not be linked? Yes, it's really scary. And to go after such a vulnerable population, too. I think that's where most serial killer cases are now. I feel like we hear and see about fewer serial killers nowadays, but typically when you hear about them, they're going after vulnerable populations. And in this case, being unhoused, being homeless is pretty much as vulnerable as you can get.

B (7:51)

Yes. Nowadays when there's a crime committed in a city or in a suburb, there's always a possibility of people having cameras in their houses. So you can see vehicles, you can get in from information. But obviously you don't really see that sort of situation in homeless communities or homeless encampments. It would be much easier to get away with this and also be much easier for possible links to murders to go unnoticed. And as I say, the fact that homeless people, for whatever reason, sometimes may not feel comfortable cooperating with police, that also makes it easier for them to be victimized by a killer.

C (8:39)

Absolutely. I'm reading about Kevin Johnson's life and it's really incredibly tragic. He was a defensive tackle. He played for the New England Patriots when he was at Texas Southern University. He actually played on the defensive line with Michael Strahan, who of course is a well known broadcaster nowadays. But unfortunately for. For Mr. Johnson, it sounds like I. I'm seeing that there's. At least in the. In wa. In Washington News Day, they reported that people who knew him felt that he may have had chronic traumatic. I'm gonna say this word wrong. Encephalopathy. And that is also more commonly known as cte. That is a disease that's linked to people getting hit in the head a lot. It's been linked to football in particular. It's been controversial, but that can cause a lot of problems for people. And unfortunately, there's no way to tell if you had it until after the person's deceased. So I don't know if there's been any confirmation on that, but it's kind of. It changes your brain in such a way that it almost kind of is linked with dementia in that sense. And so unfortunately, sometimes you see These players in football or other sports that might involve head strikes and they're very successful for a while, but then things start to go wrong as they get older because of that. So it's very tragic.

B (10:10)

As I say, his story is tragic for many, many reasons.

C (10:14)

Yeah. But any, any of those homeless individuals is, you know, is a person as a human being, do not deserve to be.

B (10:21)

Yeah. They deserve to live.

C (10:22)

Yeah.

B (10:23)

And the police are saying, we don't know if this is a situation where maybe there's a killer who's upset with the idea of having unhoused people in this area. Maybe it's somehow gang related.

C (10:35)

It could also be another unhoused or homeless person.

B (10:38)

That too. There's a lot of possibilities out there. I'm really glad that they're taking this so seriously. To the extent they have eight detectives working on it, I'm really glad they're trying to call attention to it. I think perhaps the fact that Mr. Johnson, a former NFL player, was one of the victims makes it more likely for the media to cover it and get it more attention. And I hope they're able to make some progress because this is terrible.

C (11:09)

Yeah, I hope so too. And I think in a case like this where there's a close proximity of these things happening back to back, there's. There's two ways I feel about this. The police need to consider the possibility, and they are considering the possibility that it is a serial killer and they are linked and that's good. And the public also needs to accept that when they investigate that if they turn out not to be linked, that sometimes things can happen in close proximity to each other without having any sort of correlation or having any sort of connection. And so I think everyone being open minded on this is. Is a good thing. But I hope they're able to figure out what happened to these people and if it is a serial killer, put a stop to it and protect other vulnerable people in that community. But yeah, very tragic for them and their families. And it's just very sad.

B (11:58)

Yeah.

C (11:59)

So you did a serial, possible serial killer case in California? I picked some. Well, I didn't. I picked these cases, but it was. We actually got an email from the Suffolk County District Attorney's office. They've been really very proactive and in a way that I've been extremely impressed by with cold cases. So Suffolk county, for those of you who don't know, is a county in New York. It is a county out on Long Island. Suffolk county is well known for being the spot where the Long island serial killer dumped his victims. That that person is now believed by police and has been charged with the crime to be Rex Humerman, although he has not been convicted or pled guilty yet. So that trial is pending, But Suffolk county is out, the easternmost county in Long Island. I actually have some family connections out there, and it's really beautiful, but unfortunately, they do have their share of cold cases. But again, Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond A. Tierney has been, I feel like, since he took over, there has been a very proactive move with not just cases related to the Long island serial killer case, which again saw massive movement recently, but also some of these other cases that might be a little bit lesser known. And this is not the first time I've gotten communication from them. I think they just send stuff out to the media to be like, hey, publicize this. And I think that's great. And I think other people, prosecutors offices, other district attorney's offices, other police departments should take note because I think that kind of thing can help there be movement on some of these cases. So good for them. God bless them. So we got this February 3, 2026, and it was the Suffolk County District Attorney's office announcing that they have new information and renderings of two unidentified victims of homicide found in Suffolk County, Long Island. One is known as the Medford Jane Doe, and the other one is known as the Bellport Jane Doe. So they're named after the locations they were found at. So let's first talk about the Medford Jane Doe. This woman is. Is. It's strange because, well, for both of these women, actually, we don't know who they are. We know exactly who killed them, though. So it's one of those cases. It's not like we're. We're confused and, you know, who is this and what's going on? It's. We know what happened to them. We just don't know who they are. So the Medford Jane Doe was murdered by serial killer Robert Schulman. Schulman's modus operandi was as follows. He would target sex workers. Again, another vulnerable population. He would pick them up in Queens, New York, and then usually he would. After doing drugs with them and having sex, he would beat them to death. And he would also cut off their hands to hamper identification. I'm going to read the names of his other victims because I like to do so on the show to kind of, you know, they're not just random sex workers. These were people with lives and they had names. His other victims were 24 year old Lori Vasquez and she was found in a dumpster in Yonkers, New York in Westchester County. And in that case his brother Barry was also convicted of helping dispose of her. So he had help from his family here. 31 year old Marisa Hammonds was also found in Yonkers. For a very long time she was known as the Yonkers Jane Doe. But she was identified in 2021. Kelly Sue Bunting was found in Melville in Suffolk County. And, and also so those were some of the named victims for all these cases. Shulman was convicted, sentenced to death. When New York abolished the death penalty, that was switched to life imprisonment. He died in 2006, so he's gone. So our Medford Jane Doe was discovered dismembered on the morning of December 7, 1994. She was found inside a blue rubber made garbage can on the side of the road in Medford, New York. In terms of like what she may have looked like physical description wise, she was likely between 20 and 30 years old. She was white, she was about 51 and weighed about 135 pounds. She had a tattoo on her left shoulder, on her upper left shoulder. It had the name Adrian in it. And they attached a picture to that, to this. If you're like us, you're trying to save money right now. One major personal finance hack we've discovered is investing in clothing staples that hold up over time and never go out of fashion. That is why we love our sponsor, Quint.

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C (18:10)

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And they're also releasing two depictions of how she likely looked before her death. One is a clay reconstruction and that was built on the skull using clay. And. And then they're also doing an updated composite sketch and, and also a composite sketch of the victim's tattoo. So I also went on namus, which is a wonderful website for anyone interested in unidentified cases and missing persons cases. This is the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System. And for this one, let's see, they. They had a couple of other details that I wanted to include just in case this jogs anyone's memory. They said that this Jane Doe had a well healed injury to her right femur. It resulted in a kind of almost like slight angulation of the right femur shaft. She had doubly pierced ears. And she had an obliquely oriented scar, surgical scar on her abdomen, the right lower quadrant, to be specific. Around her neck was the torn rim of a black sweater with the label JJ Cochran XL, made in USA. Again, Shulman was convicted of her murder in 1999, but we still don't know who she is. Given his targeting of sex workers, it seems very likely that she may have been a sex worker, may have been operating in and, or around Queens or nearby. And, you know, we can't make any assumptions about that, but those are possibilities. But I think a lot of women end up kind of going into a big city like the New York City area. They. Some of his victims, like one came from Kentucky. Like they weren't all from New York, but they end up there. They're doing sex work, they disappear, and then their family back home doesn't even know what happened. So that's one. Now on to the Belleport Jane Doe. She was. She was. Again, we know who murdered her. Arthur Kinlaw murdered her. An old article from the Long Island Press said that Arthur Kinlaw was a longtime pimp who had connections to Bellport Central. Islip Greenlawn ran a prostitution ring in Hunts Point. So at some point, his wife Donna got busted on welfare fraud in California. And then she ratted him out to police about being him being a murderer. She said there was a woman named Linda, that her husband murdered a teenager he met in a reggae bar in Bayshore in 1984, that she was beaten because she didn't want to become a sex worker for him. And her body was dumped in the east river and later discovered. And she also claimed that in 1983, Arthur attacked a tenant that they had at their place on Michigan Avenue. And this woman was described as a 300 pound woman who was disabled. She needed crutches to walk and she was either black or Hispanic. And that he dragged this woman into the backyard, beat her to death and then buried her. And that is the bell. Poor Jane Doe. That latter victim, she was known to others as either Marie or Maria. And she had a previously shattered femur. She needed the walker to get around and was approximately £300. As I mentioned, the Cold Case Task Force out of Suffolk county is releasing an updated composite sketch of how she likely appeared prior to her death. And Kinlaw was convicted of this Jane does murder in 2000. She was found buried under the concrete patio in Belport at their house. And her remains at that point were a near complete skeleton. She had black hair. She was found buried with a blue nightgown that may have been handmade. And she was wearing a gold colored metal cross with dark beads. So if anyone has any idea on who either of these women may be, please, you know, don't go to us, go to the police, obviously. And if you want to let us know if you have some theories or, you know, think that something should be checked out, please email us@murdersheetmail.com There was a final quote from District Attorney Tierney in this release and that says we are asking the public to take a moment to read the information available and look at these new renderings of the victims. We believe someone must know something. No tip is too small. Even a minor detail could help bring answers to families who have been waiting for far too long. End quote. So again, respect to Suffolk county for doing all of this and hopefully some of our listeners can share this around because we don't know where these women came from. They could be from literally anywhere. So even beyond New York, I think it's really important to share these stories.

B (25:20)

Absolutely. These women have families. They had friends, they had people who cared about them. People who are entitled to know what happened to their loved one.

C (25:30)

Yes.

B (25:32)

Should we go on to Delaware?

C (25:34)

Let's.

B (25:36)

Anya, is this before we get to the case, is this the first time we've done a Delaware case?

C (25:46)

Okay, that's a good question. I don't know.

B (25:47)

I think at some point one of us who is more analytically minded should prepare a detailed spreadsheet because I want to make sure we cover all 50 of our great states.

C (25:58)

When I look up Cheat Sheet and Delaware, there are several hits. Okay, So I think we have covered different Delaware cases.

B (26:09)

We just need to make sure we cover every state of Delaware, because what.

C (26:13)

If we end up. What if some of our. Now that you put this idea out there, what if some of the listeners get together, they're figuring it out, and what if we're neglecting some of the states? And then they might be pretty. They might not be so happy with us. Yeah.

B (26:28)

And we want to please our dear friends, the listeners.

C (26:31)

Yeah. That we.

B (26:32)

And, like, we want to bend over backwards and obey their every whim.

C (26:35)

They may start getting the idea that we don't like their state. And we don't. Maybe we don't like their state's nickname. Maybe we don't like their state's motto. And they might be pretty offended because I think they're. You know, these are folks who care about their states, care about their sports teams. I mean, like, we. We could have a real scandal on our hands at this rate.

B (26:52)

That said, I do have some concerns about one of Delaware's nicknames.

C (26:58)

Oh, no. What is it?

B (26:59)

They call it the Small Wonder. That's.

C (27:03)

That's a weird name. Now.

B (27:05)

Now you say that. Sorry, Delaware, but I'm not sure if you know why that causes me concern. Because you're a young woman. You were born in the latter part of the last century. You don't know about history or things that happened before you entered this world of ours. So you may not be aware there was actually a TV show in the 1980s called Small Wonder.

C (27:32)

Okay, I didn't know that.

B (27:34)

And pardon this digression, I'll try to keep it brief. It was about a family who. The dad creates a robot daughter, and the actress playing the daughter, I'm sure she's charming, has a lot of personality and charisma, but they told her, don't use any of that because you're a robot. And so you have this character, this little girl who's a robot, just going around talking in a monotone and having strange powers and, oh, we can't let anybody know we have a robot for a daughter. What a strange show to name your state after. Because we found out, I think, a week or two ago that Michigan, they love X Men, so they're the Wolverine State. And then Delaware is the Small Wonder state.

C (28:20)

Well, do you know where the word Delaware comes from?

B (28:24)

No.

C (28:25)

So Thomas west was the Baron Delaware, and he was one of my favorite Jamestown stories. He's at the center of one of my favorite Jamestown stories. So what happens is there's all this stuff, constant drama. Jamestown's like, you know, it's basically like the Delphi YouTube of early American settlements. It's just constant drama. Everyone's fighting and just within the colony, it's going really badly. So Delaware was one of the biggest investors in the. In one of the companies associated with this. And so he, he's like, okay, this is like, it's a mess over there. I need to come in and just take charge. So he sail. He sails out and he. He gets there and he's about to go down the mouth of the James river and then he finds that the colonists have left and they're actually trying to sail back to England at that moment. And he basically runs into them. And you could only imagine that the people, because, okay, Jamestown had been going through the starving times. It was really bad. They were trying to get the hell out of there. And you can only imagine that like someone's giving a speech on those ships, being like, we're going to go back to England. This was a mess. And then it's like, Lord Delaware is right behind me is. Anyway, as I just. I. I love, I love Jamestown. But anyways, that's, that's what happened. And the upshot was that Delaware finds them and is like, turn back around. What the hell is wrong with all of you? And so then they went back. So yeah, that's what happened. That. So that's where Delaware comes from. That they. Then there was. I think there's a. The tribe of Native Americans that then took on his name for. I. I don't know. I don't know what the. I think their original name was like the, the Lenape. But. But yeah, that's where Delaware comes from. So that's what I think of. Anytime Delaware comes up, I think a.

B (30:20)

Credit card companies because for like legal reasons, I think a lot of credit card companies are based in Delaware.

C (30:25)

I think of like the Panama Papers and the Paradise Papers because like a lot of.

B (30:29)

So do you think, would people like it or would people hate it if like every week you give like fun facts about a state?

C (30:35)

Well, that's not a. It's not about the. I mean all that happened in Virginia, but it just that that's the name Delaware.

B (30:42)

It's kind of fun.

C (30:43)

Thomas west.

B (30:44)

And it's definitely a fact and it's connected to Delaware.

C (30:46)

Yeah.

B (30:47)

Do people want more fun facts in mania?

C (30:49)

Probably not after that one. This is a. Can I Just read. I had to look this up. Can I just read a book that he wrote? This is the name.

B (30:57)

You're going to read a book of show. So this is going to be like a 10 hour episode.

C (31:01)

No, I'm going to read the title rather of the book that he wrote. Can you imagine if we still titled books like this? I just love how they used to do things like this. This was his book. The Relation of the Right Honorable the Lord Delaware, Lord Governor and Captain General of the Colony Planted in Virginia. Also, everything in that sentence is practically spelled wrong.

B (31:24)

But if people would like look back at our old shows, you used to title episodes that way because each episode title would be like a paragraph where you discuss everything that happened in the episode of the Murder Sheet. Do you remember that?

C (31:39)

Yes. So you're saying I'm basically like a weird 17th century dude. The right and honorable Anya Cain on the planting of the podcast. I don't know. Let's, let's move.

B (31:51)

Planting of the podcast.

C (31:52)

They love the words. They loved planting. They loved honorable they, you know, just everything was. I. You look up some of the first, you know, the first person documents from Jamestown.

B (32:03)

So much like Johnny Appleseed. Let's say Poly podcast goes around planting podcasts all over this great land.

C (32:10)

Perhaps Poly podcast. All right, let's let. What. What happened in Delaware?

B (32:20)

I'm curious. You mentioned Delaware. How do they get the name?

C (32:22)

No, everyone just turned off the episode. You can hear the clicking of all the. Everyone's just thrown their phone across the room at this point. But let's go on.

B (32:34)

My sources for this were a press release from the police department, ABC News and People.com. this is a case where a man named William Stevenson was charged with killing his wife. He's 77 years old, his wife was 64. And this kind of got a lot of attention because years ago Mr. Stevenson was married to Jill Biden, who is the wife of our former president Joseph Biden. And so I think for that reason it got a lot of attention. People always like it when there's some sort of connection to a politician. Obviously, as a history major, you're aware that a lot of presidents have had relatives that they are embarrassed by. Your Billy Carters, your Donald Nixons. But I think it's important to point out first of all that the connection here between this man, Mr. Stevenson and Jill Biden is kind of tenuous because they were married for a few years, over 50 years ago. And in subsequent interviews and comments, Mr. Stevenson did not have particularly kind words to share about his former wife. So we don't know a lot of details about what happened, but back in late December, police were called to the Stevenson home because it was allegedly some sort of domestic dispute. And they found Linda Stevenson, again, 64 years old, unconscious, not really responsive, in the living room. They tried to save her and those attempts failed. And now Mr. Stevenson has been charged with killing her. And I think one reason to highlight this over and above the connection to the Bidens is there's a lot of domestic violence in this country. And I think it's important to highlight the fact that it can occur to anyone at any time. Mr. Stevenson, the Stevenson family appears to have been successful, well off. That's no safeguard. That's no guarantee that that family won't be touched by domestic violence. This thing can happen anywhere, anytime. And so certainly we should all be on the lookout to make sure that people we care about aren't falling prey to this. Is that fair to say?

C (35:22)

Absolutely. And I think what you said is so important. Abusers don't look a certain way, they don't come off a certain way to the general society, and it can happen to anyone. And thinking that, oh, that happens to a different socioeconomic class or that happens to a different group of people, or that could never happen to someone I know or me is a trap. And that is a trap that plays into abusers hands, frankly. Because when you think it can't happen to me, then you're not prepared for dealing with it or seeing the early warning signs to get out of it before it turns into a fatal situation.

B (35:57)

And the other reason I wanted to mention this is Mrs. Stevenson was killed over a month ago. She was found dead on December 28th of 2025. And one thing to remember is police investigators, family often know more than what they are telling the public. And I'm reminded of the Sherlock Holmes story where he talks about the dog that didn't bark. What does that mean? Any. The dog that didn't bark.

C (36:35)

Is that, I don't know, like too stupid? Is that basically like. No, no, like. So like if the dog doesn't bark, it means it knew the person who did.

B (36:46)

Means sometimes there is a clue that is right in front of you is like a piece of evidence. Sometimes the absence of a piece of evidence or the absence of something you would expect can itself be a clue.

C (37:00)

Right.

B (37:00)

And after Mrs. Stevenson was killed by her husband, I say she was killed by her husband. Obviously he's not been convicted yet, but after she died in her obituary, you know where they mention her relatives and family, they didn't mention the fact that she was married to Bill Stevenson.

C (37:20)

Okay.

B (37:21)

And I think that is a bit of a clue that the family at that time had some suspicions about what had happened and had some ill will towards Mr. Stevenson.

C (37:32)

Understandably so.

B (37:35)

And there was actually on Mr. Stevenson's Facebook page, one of his friends said, hey, why weren't you mentioning this obituary? And that comment was scrubbed. It was deleted.

C (37:47)

Wow. Okay. That's interesting.

B (37:49)

That is interesting. And I mentioned all my sources, right?

C (37:55)

I don't remember.

B (37:56)

In case I didn't, I'll mention them again. Press release from the police department, ABC News and People.com.

C (38:02)

Good stuff.

B (38:04)

Do you want to finish us off, so to speak?

C (38:07)

Yes.

B (38:10)

I meant that in the most respectful, ladylike way possible. Anya has her head in her hands.

C (38:21)

What am I supposed to do after that?

B (38:24)

You're supposed to tell us about something very sad.

C (38:26)

Kevin's very red faced. So let's move on. So I have three missing. Well, one murder case and three missing persons case. We actually just got a release from the Federal Bureau of Investigation on a case we've been covering that. I'll tack in on the end here. So the first case I'm going to talk about was recommended by a listener. This is a case out of North Dakota. My sources for this are the Fargo Police Department as well as Inform and Inform has a really good article on this. I want. I'm going to include a link to that one. Read up on this there because they have a lot more information. I didn't want to just cannibalize all their news coverage, but I'll give you a gist of some of this. So this is a dis. The disappearance of Isadora Wengel. She's a resident of West Fargo in North Carolina. And this is a woman who has been missing for like a month. She's 25 years old. She has blonde hair, hazel eyes, 175 pounds, 5 foot 3. She was last seen wearing a white cardigan with pink hearts, which was like the Taylor Swift Lover album cardigan in blue jeans and either white Air Force One shoes or ugg boots. And this is a case that she. She still hasn't been found. She was last seen, as I mentioned, over a month ago. Let me get the exact date. Actually, she was last seen on December 31, 2025, which was a Wednesday. So New Year's Eve. And police in Fargo and West Fargo are asking for public assistance they previously asked for in the Fargo, Moorhead, West Fargo area. Video images Sightings of her from Saturday, January 3rd between 7pm and midnight. They also asked for people in Otter Tail county in Minnesota to give them video images or possible sightings of Isadora or a specific vehicle of interest, which is a Subaru Impreza with North Dakota license plate 592 ETF between 2am and 5:30am on Wednesday, January 7th. And that would include the following areas. Earhard, Elizabeth, Fergus Falls, Underwood, Armour, Amore, Battle, Lake, Dalton and the surrounding rural areas in southwest Otter Tail County. And they're still looking for doorbell cameras, security cameras, dash cameras, trail cameras, anything. And they say that, you know, whatever you saw or whatever you have might seem minor, but it could be a really big deal for them. So don't discount it. So really just anyone in that area, let's keep talking about it. If, if you have something, call Fargo Police at 701-451-67660. Again that's 701-451-7660. And they can also submit anonymous text by typing FargoPD or WFPD 2847411 and I will be including links to some of this in our show notes. Share Share Isadora's picture and kind of let's keep an eye out for, for this situation. That article I mentioned, they noted that there's really not been a lot of information that's come out yet and that the police in this case have turned down all interview requests but that a search warrant was served at a South Fargo apartment complex. A person was detained and then released. Mobile crime unit lab was parked outside the apartment complex for three days and it was looking at a third floor apartment and a garage. And the neighbors at that location told the W day that they did not recognize Wengel. And then in additionally they've been looking at through trash dumped at that apartment complex. Um, and the last confirmed sighting was by her father. But all they've had so far is a three and a half minute press conference on January 12th. You know, if it's a hard case, then they're probably going to want to keep a lot of information close to the vest. But obviously we hope that Isadora is found safe and returned to her family. But it's a very concerning situation. Another case out of Indiana involving a missing person, specifically a missing child, is the case of 16 year old Lillian Marie Key. She went missing, has been missing since January 12, 2026. So I will include a link to her national center for Missing and Exploited Children page. She went missing from Avon, Indiana. The entry for her page Says that Lillian may still be in the local area or she may travel to Indianapolis, Indiana, Vive Indiana, or Chicago, Illinois. Her ears and nose are pierced and she has a tattoo on her ankle. So again, this is a child. This is a very concerning situation where, you know, she's underage and she's out there. So I'm hoping that some of our listeners, especially in this area and in some of those areas that I mentioned, can share her picture and help her be able to come home. My understanding is that she was a foster child, so she would have been in the system, Department of Child Services, things like that. But she has not been found and she needs to be found and she needs to be brought home safely. So hopefully our listeners can help us out by posting about her, sharing her link and keeping an eye out. So again, she went missing from Avon, Indiana, Indianapolis, Chicago, Vive. Those are places she may have gone to. And then the final thing is, I will note that we got a quick update from the Cincinnati Division of the Federal Bureau of investigation today on February 4, 2026, and it was a statement regarding the Hayley Busby investigation. This is a case that we followed pretty closely so far. And this was a young woman, A young girl, 17 years old, went missing from Fishers, Indiana and was found murdered in Perry County, Ohio, a horrible case. A man named Tyler Thomas is currently charged with crimes related to this, but not her death. Exactly. Not at this point. This is what the statement said. Quote FBI, Cincinnati FBI, Indianapolis Fisher's Indiana Police Department, Columbus, Ohio Division of Police, Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, Hawking County Sheriff's Office, Perry County Sheriff's Office, U.S. forest Service and other partner agencies have been actively involved in the investigation related to the disappearance and death of Hayley Busby. We are all deeply saddened by the events and offer our sincere condolences to Haley's family. The investigation is being driven by the pursuit of justice for Haley. Due to the many locations and jurisdictions involved, as well as the ongoing nature of the investigation, there is not a timeline for when more information can be released. This is dependent on whether the facts and evidence lead and any resulting charges that may be filed. We ask for your continued patience as the investigators work to gather information, process evidence and advance the case. The goal is to protect the integrity of the investigation and ensure a just outcome. Thank you. I think that's important to note for the public because sometimes I think we are used to instantaneous answers on a lot of things, and that's not possible in a criminal case. We have to let Investigators in all these cases time to do their jobs. Sometimes there will be a time where you might say, well, what's going on? Has something gone wrong here? But in a case as complex as what happened to Haley, in a case involving so many jurisdictions, in a case where she was missing for so long before being found, I really do think patience is necessary. And some time to develop things or to file charges around the homicide or the death should not be taken as some kind of sign that something's gone wrong with the institution. You know, it's. We have to lose this idea that the rights of the defendant, first of all, are sacrosancing our Constitution. So rushing through something based on vibes is not appropriate from that reason. But also for the pursuit of justice. If we want whoever is accountable, whoever is responsible for what happened to Haley, if we want them to see justice, then patience is very necessary and not going into a frenzy and rushing things. So I think that is what we were getting from the FBI and that makes sense. Is there anything else that we wanted to talk about?

B (47:14)

Did you have any promotional announcements to make or should we just quickly do.

C (47:19)

Quickly rush through some awkward anecdotes? I do have some promotional announcements. Well, I mean, as always, if you are interested in learning more about the Delphi murders, buy our book, Shadow of the Bridge. I think people who've read it have told us they really liked it, they appreciated it. We heard from a wonderful book club recently where a lot of the people were like, I didn't really understand the case and now I do. Or I had a totally different view of what was happening. But now I know the inside story and it's changed my mind. And I would just, if you've already read it, maybe encourage your family and friends to read it, because we just appreciate any of that sort of help getting the word out there. It's important to us that people know the truth of what happened to Liberty German and Abigail Williams, the two kids at the heart of that story. And so I think, you know, that book is an opportunity to spread the truth. And as for events around that book, we have an upcoming one, Thursday, March 12, 2026, in Marion, Ohio. We're super excited. We're doing an event at the marian Library at 6:30pm and you can go to murdersheetpodcast.com events and you will see the link for that. So you can check that out and do whatever you need to do to come. And now we do our anecdotes.

B (48:38)

So why don't I start this off so we have a fireplace sometimes in the winter. Enjoy a fire, you said, Kevin, I'm going to start a fire while you're, while you're getting something ready for the dog. And I should mention the. Right. By the fireplace. You like to keep a bucket full of, like, oily rags.

C (48:59)

No, I don't.

B (49:00)

Kerosene.

C (49:01)

Oh, my God.

B (49:02)

Frayed electric wires.

C (49:05)

Okay.

B (49:06)

Things of that nature.

C (49:07)

No, no, I like to keep, I don't like to keep. I keep a bucket. So, you know, you have to clean out your fireplace once in a while. So sometimes you, you might shovel the ashes out into that, into the bucket and then put it in, like, a garbage bag or whatever, you know, once it's cool. You don't want to start a fire. Fire safety.

B (49:25)

Fire safety is cool.

C (49:27)

Fire safety is cool. Kevin's father was a volunteer firefighter for years. I don't want him listening to this and being like, what the heck? Or your mom listening to it and telling him, oh, they're almost starting a fire. That's not what we, that's not what we stand for.

B (49:40)

Okay, but so the ashes, like, cover up most of the oily rags.

C (49:44)

No, there's no oily rags in kerosene. But I will note that after we were done with our Christmas tree this year, you know, there were a bunch of. I, I, I, I always thought, I mean, I like to put a little bit of those evergreen branches or like little tiny things of that, you know, little tiny twigs from that in the fire. Just cause it kind of, those burn really easy, and they kind of help it spread across. So I just, I've been using that as kindling. And those are on, those are. I put them on top of the bucket, on top of the ashes.

B (50:17)

And so then you light the fire with one of the long matches. And I, I wasn't there to witness it, but my understanding is you were grasping the match at the very bottom.

C (50:28)

Not the very bottom.

B (50:29)

She's just barely holding it between your two fingers. And as you strike it, the match lights, but it breaks, and the lit match flies through the air and lands on the oily rags in the bucket.

C (50:44)

There's no oily rags.

B (50:47)

And your reaction is to start saying over and over again, oh, no. I'm in another part of the room. I don't know what's going on. You're just saying oh, no over and over again.

C (50:56)

How did I sound? Did I sound panicked or did I sound, like, calm?

B (50:59)

No, you sounded panicked and you said, oh, no. Oh, no. What should I do? Oh, no, oh, no, Kevin, what should I do? And I turn and look, and the way you're sitting, all I see is you're just sitting and you're obviously sitting there. You're looking at something in front of you. I can't see what it is. And so I said, what? And at that point you stood up and start rushing towards me carrying a bucket that's ablaze.

C (51:34)

It's not what you want to see from your wife.

B (51:37)

Oh, my God, what should we do? And I said, why don't you put it outside and I'll get some water?

C (51:42)

And my mind was going in a thousand directions. And also I was, I was grasping it from the middle. I don't. And I will, I want to know something he's not telling you. This man's not telling you that the same exact thing happened at you when you tried to light a fire the other night. Because these are cheapo matches, apparently. But it didn't go. The match head didn't go on, on fire. So it happened to you. The match broke. The match head broke, but it just wasn't a flame.

B (52:07)

Because my, my feeling is always safety first. I say, if this match is going to break, I don't want it to be lit.

C (52:13)

And so it wasn't burning some bridges right now, sir. I, I, I, I see if it was like, slow mo. I try to light this, this log thing and then I see the match head on fire falling into the bucket. And I can, you know, I see what's happening and I'm like, oh, no, it's going to light up because those are very flammable. And then it goes a fire. Immediately. Then my mind's like 12 possibilities are, you know, competing. Do I go and grab the fire extinguisher? Do I run it outside? Do I get water? Like, I don't know what the hell to do. Do. I had this irrational thought, do I put it in the fire? Do I put the flaming bucket in the fireplace for some. And, and, oh, God. And so then I, yeah, then we ran it outside and Kevin dumped water on it outside. And our, and our dog Nick looked confused. Normally when, if I, if I raise my voice or if something happens, he runs over to check on me because he thinks things are out of control.

B (53:17)

Talking about the dog.

C (53:18)

Yeah, yeah. I said, our dog, Nick. What do you. So, but he, in this case, was like, I'm back. He hung back. He was like, I'm not, I'm not qualified to deal with this.

B (53:27)

But the point of the story is, once again, I saved the Day I averted calamity.

C (53:34)

That's nonsense, sir. That's balderdash.

B (53:38)

You recklessly started a fire with your bucket of oily rags. And I extinguished it.

C (53:42)

What I remember is my quick thinking and reflexes allowed me to smoothly walk over this flaming bucket outside, put it down carefully, and communicate with you the entire time and prevent our dog, our new dog, from running outside into the darkness to be lost forever. That's what I remember. So, you know, I don't remember you doing anything except saying, oh, maybe put it outside, in a very casual, bemused tone that did not. Did not signify the change.

B (54:19)

So what you're saying is I dealt with the situation in a calm manner, offered a practical solution, which I implemented, saving us all. I agree. That's exactly what I just felt.

C (54:29)

The whole thing was something out of, like an old timey slapstick movie where suddenly I have a flaming bucket in my hands when I didn't expect to, and I'm running around with it. But that, you know, that's life, I guess. That's my life. That's where my life has come to.

B (54:47)

Walking around with a flaming bucket of ash.

C (54:50)

Doesn't that seem like that's kind of a metaphor for true crime? Podcasting sometime? What do I do with this? Anyways, you know, be careful with your fireplaces, folks. That's the lesson. I feel like we're going to get a bunch of emails from firefighters and people who are married to firefighters who are mad at us for how we handle that situation.

B (55:16)

Mad at us? I was innocent of the affair. I was in the other room getting something ready for the dog to eat.

C (55:24)

And you turn around and I'm literally holding a flaming bucket. You didn't even look surprised.

B (55:34)

I've lived with you for a long time.

C (55:40)

Oh, my God. I've never had a flaming bucket before. That's not something that happens. To clarify for everybody, this. I don't set fires a lot. I don't set fires that are not in our fireplace. Usually it's just in the fireplace.

B (55:57)

So defensive.

C (55:58)

Yeah, well, I. I feel like you give people a very different idea about me on this show sometimes.

B (56:03)

Well, all we can say is, thank God I was there.

C (56:10)

All right, well, is. There is.

B (56:14)

Anya, you're welcome. Oh, God.

C (56:16)

Is there anything else we needed to mention?

B (56:18)

No.

C (56:18)

Okay, well, goodbye, everybody. Have a great day.

B (56:23)

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C (56:43)

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B (57:07)

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C (57:18)

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B (57:39)

Anya, I'm curious. Do you think anyone listens past the end of all of those announcements? Is anyone still listening? What do you think?

C (57:45)

I. I didn't. I didn't expect you to suddenly start talking here.

B (57:48)

That's crazy because you weren't even listening.

C (57:50)

No, I wasn't even.

B (57:53)

YouTube program what's Happening.

C (57:56)

Right?

B (57:56)

So do you think anyone is. Should we like, at the end of this, say the secret word is pancakes and then like, like you could type in pancakes.

C (58:03)

Pancakes. Yeah.

B (58:04)

And then we're, ah, somebody listening.

C (58:06)

I think you can do that. And I think, I think somebody like, they're in their car, they didn't kind of get to hit the button yet to switch it. I think that person's trapped in, in this situation right now and everyone else is gone.

B (58:19)

And that person's like, ah, pancakes.

C (58:21)

Pancakes.

B (58:22)

That unlocks it all.

C (58:23)

Yes. Yes, that unlocks.

B (58:25)

So this is a little experiment. I caught you. I caught you unawares.

C (58:29)

I'm shocked right now.

B (58:30)

But, but anyways, correct me if I'm wrong. You're flabbergasted.

C (58:34)

I'm flummoxed.

B (58:35)

But you're rubbing your stomach.

C (58:38)

I don't know how to rub my stomach.

B (58:40)

You're in the mood for pancakes?

C (58:41)

No.

B (58:42)

You're not in the mood for pancakes?

C (58:44)

I'm fine. It's 1:52pm so no, I'm not in the mood for pancakes.

B (58:49)

You know what, Anya? I'd say any time of the day is right for a good, well made, fluffy pancake.

C (58:55)

Anyway, sorry to the person who got stuck on this. Goodbye.