Podcast Summary: Murder Sheet

Episode: The Delphi Murders: Kathy Allen's Interview with Police and More
Date: November 12, 2025
Hosts: Áine Cain (A) & Kevin Greenlee (B)
Main Topic: Newly released exhibits in the Richard Allen (Delphi Murders) case, including Kathy Allen’s interview with police

Overview

This episode explores critical documents newly released as part of Richard Allen's appeal in the Delphi murders case. The hosts, Áine and Kevin, delve deep into the trial exhibits, focusing primarily on the police interview with Kathy Allen, Richard Allen’s wife. They analyze the defense’s discredited “Odinism” theory, discuss legal missteps and investigative weaknesses, and provide a contextual reading and commentary on Kathy’s lengthy interview.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Context and Recent Developments

• The released exhibits are connected to Richard Allen's pending appeal and relate to the pre-trial “Frank's Memorandum” filed by his defense, which posited that the Delphi killings were part of a white supremacist ritual ("Odinism theory").
• The hosts clarify that most of the material in these filings has been debunked or discredited.

Quote:

“My reaction was it's shocking how weak this theory was.”
— Kevin, 08:57

2. Discredited Odinism Theory

• Defense attorneys accused several local men of ritualistic murder without evidence; alibis and timelines exonerate those accused.
• The investigation was fueled by internet speculation and tips from unreliable sources, including a YouTuber who previously made threats against the memorial park.
• "Expert" affidavits, such as one from Todd Klick, are shown to be based on hearsay, misinformation, and a misunderstanding of police procedures.
• The defense attempted to find visual and mythological connections between Norse paganism and the crime scene, all deemed spurious by the hosts.

Quote:

“This is the caliber of the investigation they were doing. They were getting tips from YouTubers in other countries who are best known for making violent threats.”
— Kevin, 09:25

Memorable Moment:
The hosts compare the defense’s efforts to the “Keystone Cops,” emphasizing the lack of professionalism.

3. Transition to Kathy Allen’s Interview

• The episode shifts into an almost line-by-line reading and analysis of Kathy Allen’s police interview, with commentary interspersed.

Kathy Allen’s Police Interview: Key Takeaways

Structure

Áine reads Kathy’s words; Kevin reads the police/investigators’ questions. Periodic breaks for analysis.

a. Richard Allen’s Routine & Day of the Murders

• Kathy confirms that it was normal for Richard to walk the trails alone on his days off (he typically parked at the old CPS building, the same location where a car of interest was spotted on the day of the murders).
  • Timestamps: 35:00–40:50

Quote:

“It was either that or you had to park down the road, which you weren't supposed to do.”
— Kathy Allen, read by Áine, 41:30

b. Richard’s Alibi and Behavior

• Kathy provides ambiguous and sometimes contradictory recollections about her and her husband's routine, vehicle use, and activities that day.
• She admits Richard told her he encountered "three weird girls" on the trails – the same girls whose testimony became crucial at trial.
  • Timestamps: 45:27–46:26

Quote:

"He did say he went for a walk out there and that he ran into these three girls that were weird."
— Kathy Allen, 45:27

• When questioned about why Richard described the girls as "weird," Kathy has no details, and Áine and Kevin note the defensiveness and suspect psychological projection.

c. Response to the Girls' Disappearance

• Kathy wanted to join the search for the missing girls, but Richard warned her against it, saying, "That's too many people out there. Just let them do their job… If they find stuff, you know, laying around, they could blame you and all that shit."
  • Timestamps: 48:46–49:26

Quote:

"If they find stuff… they could blame you and all that shit."
— Richard (recounted by Kathy), 48:46

• Hosts point out this is the sort of excuse a guilty party might make.

d. Guns, Cartridges, and Trail Habits

• On guns: Kathy admits Allen had guns, likely including a 9mm, and generally kept a round in the chamber. This matches the ballistics finding of an unspent cartridge at the crime scene matching Allen's gun.
  • Timestamps: 55:59–59:44

Quote:

"I think there's one in the chamber at all times."
— Kathy Allen, 97:11

• When asked, Kathy denies Allen typically brought a gun to the trails or generally shot recreationally in the area, undermining the possibility of innocent explanation for the cartridge.

e. Mental Health, Isolation, and Substance Abuse

• Kathy confirms Allen's long-term depression, unstable employment, lack of close friends, and frequent drinking – noting that alcohol worsened his “mouthy” (emotionally abusive) behavior and may have triggered an incident where he put a gun in his mouth, for which he was committed for six months.
  • Timestamps: 103:18–104:57

Quote:

"He did try to kill himself..."
— Kathy Allen, 103:20

• She repeatedly downplays or laughs off these disturbing events.

f. Marital Dynamics and Denial

• Kathy and Richard seem emotionally distant but intertwined by habit and history. She insists they have a “good” relationship, but admits to a lack of friends and social isolation.
• When shown the “Bridge Guy” photo, Kathy insists it’s not her husband, reasoning "because he would never do anything like that," rather than citing physical or visual differences.
  • Timestamps: 91:33–95:52

Quote:

"Because he would never do anything like that."
— Kathy Allen, 91:37

• The hosts repeatedly note Kathy appears performatively supportive, reflexively defensive, and possibly in deep denial or self-delusion about Richard’s actions.

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the evidence provided by Kathy Allen:

  “In this interview, it very much feels to me like she is putting the noose around his neck and tying it, even though she doesn't seem to be aware of the significance of some of these admissions.”
  — Kevin, 43:32

• On Kathy’s attitude about Allen’s possible involvement:

  “Her level of defensiveness and giggling and bizarre behavior and bizarre statements, frankly, throughout this interview makes me think that we're asking the wrong question… I think on some level she knew.”
  — Áine, 120:54

• On Richard Allen’s conduct:

  “The picture she paints of her husband is the picture of the man who killed those girls.”
  — Kevin, 120:17

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening/context around Odinism theory: 03:38–16:36
• Breakdown of defense’s investigative failures: 08:29–13:45
• Explanation of Odin myth and visual evidence: 16:39–24:11
• Reading and commentary on Kathy Allen’s police interview: 29:03–120:01
  • Richard’s routine/car/parking/behavior: 35:00–43:32
  • Allen’s statements about the three girls: 45:27–47:28
  • Kathy’s account of the post-disappearance search refusal: 48:46–49:26
  • Discussion of firearms, cartridges, and “bridge guy” clothing: 55:59–95:52
  • Richard’s mental health, drinking, and suicide attempt: 103:18–104:57
• Discussion/analysis of Kathy's credibility and insight into dynamics: especially dense from 120:01–127:12

Analysis and Final Thoughts

• Hosts’ conclusion:
  Kathy Allen’s statement provides indirect but deeply incriminating evidence against Richard Allen. With no known friends, a history of mental illness, and erratic and violent behavior exacerbated by alcohol, Allen fits the profile of the killer. The hosts suggest Kathy’s mixture of defensiveness, selective memory, and oddly flat affect reflect either willful denial or complicity via inaction.
• On Kathy Allen as a figure:
  Where the hosts previously saw her as a second victim, this interview moved their opinion toward seeing her as someone who at least subconsciously knew more than she admitted—her behavior signaling denial or possible unwillingness to confront the truth.
• Case impact:
  The cumulative, "particulate" nature of the evidence—routine, parking location, admission of presence, matching clothing, failed alibis, and psychological profile—solidifies the case against Richard Allen.

Notable Segment Timestamps (by topic)

• Odinism Theory Debunked: 05:41–18:36
• Key Admissions in Kathy Allen Interview: 45:27, 97:11, 103:20, 91:37
• The hosts' shift in perception of Kathy Allen: 120:54–124:52

Tone and Language

The hosts maintain a journalistically skeptical, at times sardonic tone. Áine’s responses often show deep frustration with the handling of both the defense’s evidentiary blind alleys and with Kathy’s apparent denial. Kevin injects legal and factual clarity, sometimes with dark humor ("putting the noose around his neck"). Both voices blend compassion for the true victims and a critical eye towards the Allen family dynamic.

In sum:
This episode is a methodical and emotionally charged breakdown of the latest Delphi case documents. The highlight is the real-time, gritty, and revealing sifting through Kathy Allen’s account, exposing layers of denial, dysfunction, and ultimately, the banality of evil that enabled one of the most haunting child murder cases in recent memory.