The Disappearance of Amy Bradley: A Conversation with James Renner

Summary

Murder Sheet Podcast

Episode: The Disappearance of Amy Bradley: A Conversation with James Renner
Date: July 28, 2026
Hosts: Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee
Guest: James Renner (author of A Cruise to Nowhere)

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Episode Overview

This episode features a deep dive into the unresolved disappearance of Amy Lynn Bradley, who went missing in 1998 from a Royal Caribbean cruise ship. Hosts Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee interview investigative journalist and true crime author James Renner, whose new book A Cruise to Nowhere examines the case through fresh investigative reporting, new interviews, and critical analysis. The discussion addresses multiple theories of Amy's fate, including the widely circulated (but highly doubted) sex trafficking angle, and gets personal on subjects like Amy's identity, the challenges of working with grieving families, and the ethics of true crime reporting.

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1. Setting the Scene: Who Was Amy Bradley?

• Background of the Case
  • Amy Lynn Bradley vanished at age 23 during a family cruise on the Rhapsody of the Seas (03/24/1998).
  • Seen last on her cabin balcony around 5:30am by her father; gone by 6:00am.
  • Despite a thorough search of the ship and later witness claims, she’s never been found.
  • Multiple conflicting theories: accidental fall, sex trafficking, suicide, and other foul play.

"Amy Lynn Bradley has been gone for 28 years, longer than she was even alive... She’s not been seen since."
— Kevin Greenlee [00:44]

• Summary of the Cruise and Disappearance
  • Family of four: parents Ron and Iva, brother Brad ("Bradley").
  • Trip was an insurance award; cruise route included Aruba, Curaçao, and more (05:57–10:58).
  • Amy sometimes slept wrapped in blankets on the balcony.
  • Her father’s timeline may be off by an hour (see timeline analysis below).

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2. James Renner’s Involvement & Investigative Approach

• Getting Involved
  • Renner was drawn to cases with odd, ambiguous elements (11:07).
  • He contacted Amy's family; Iva Bradley invited him to collaborate, leading to a year of research including sailing on the same ship and visiting relevant locations.

"I realized that... I’d never fully be able to describe the ship or these locations without actually going there."
— James Renner [13:18]

• Research Challenges
  • Navigated cruise ship crime/jurisdiction issues (14:13–15:28).
  • Shipboard dangers: Overboard cases, sexual assault, lack of accountability, incentivization of drunkenness (18:36–21:06).

"There’s a lot of sexual assaults that happen on ships, mostly young women and kids. And then... a lot of this goes unreported."
— James Renner [19:00]

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3. Analysis of Major Theories

3.1 Sex Trafficking Theory

• Summary and Renner’s Critique
  • No evidence of any confirmed case matching Amy’s supposed abduction from a ship for sex trafficking (21:39–24:36).
  • Caribbean sex trafficking involves local women of color, rarely (if ever) white tourists.
  • Using a white woman would be high-risk due to visibility—traffickers favor low-profile victims.

"Zero. There are zero confirmed reports of people being kidnapped from cruise ships and put into human trafficking. If Amy is confirmed ... she would be the first one in history."
— James Renner [21:39]

• Critique of Media Representations
  • Netflix (and others) amplify the trafficking narrative despite its improbability for drama.
  • Photos purporting to show Amy in brothels debunked: tattoos don’t match; more likely “bait and switch” brothel marketing (40:30–42:14).

"The pictures that we’ve been shown ... where Amy’s tattoos were not visible. But there are more pictures of that escort out there where you can clearly see the tattoos Amy should have had are not there. It’s not Amy."
— James Renner [40:30]

3.2 Foul Play, Suicide, and Accidental Overboard

• Re-examination of Timeline
  • Early press statements suggest Amy last seen at 4:30am, not 5:30am; ship would’ve been further out, explaining why her body, if she went overboard, wasn’t found (43:44).
  • Cruise ship overboard recoveries: Only 25% survive, even less if far from land.

"Once you go overboard... there’s only a 25% chance that you’ll come out alive."
— James Renner [44:14]

• Psychological “Call of the Void”
  • Amy may have been under intense personal stress (her sexuality, coming out, family dynamics).
  • Renner introduces the idea that the pressure and opportunity could have led to a fatal accident or a voluntary (suicidal or impulsive) jump (45:13–47:09).

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4. The Human Story: Amy Bradley’s Identity and Family Relations

• Amy’s Hidden Life
  • Renner discovered Amy was gay; her family had emphasized male relationships, used as “beards” (24:50–32:22).
  • Disclosure to Amy’s mother Iva caused abrupt rupture in cooperation; illustrates cultural & generational tensions.

"There’s no doubt in my mind that Amy was gay. She identified to her friends and her chosen family at college as gay, as lesbian, as queer. So it’s important that we don’t gloss over that because she’s not here to defend herself."
— James Renner [29:58–32:08]

• Emotional Fallout and Grief
  • Family has not accepted Amy’s likely fate; her car remains in the garage awaiting her return.
  • Theories of her being alive may prolong suffering and denial.

"Everything did freeze for them in March of 1998."
— James Renner [34:09]

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5. True Crime, Media Ethics, and Compassion

• Navigating Family and Truth
  • Renner reflects on journalistic ethics: balancing compassion for families with factual reporting—even when it means confronting denial or painful realities (48:54–50:44).

"What is my job? Is it to find the truth no matter what? Or is it to find what you want the truth to be, what you’d prefer the truth to be?... You don’t have to be mean about it."
— James Renner [49:19]

• Dangers of Sensational Theories
  • Sex trafficking myth distracts from real victims and unfairly maligns others (e.g., ship entertainer Alistair Douglas, “Yellow”), often tinged with racial bias (52:06).

"I think he’s a victim, too. I mean, it’s cost him jobs... there are people directly saying that he kidnapped Amy."
— James Renner [53:06]

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6. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “[Amy] didn’t waste any second of her life. She was always having adventures... As if she knew she only had a limited time on this planet.”
  — James Renner [53:56]
• “I hope at some point that you stop this self-inflicted torture and instead just focus on remembering the vibrant person she truly was.”
  — Áine Cain, addressed to the Bradley family [58:18]
• "To not say these things is to lie by omission in my view, and that is to do you and Amy and the people wrongfully accused... a disservice."
  — Áine Cain [58:43]

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7. Recommendations & Closing

• James Renner’s Book

  • A Cruise to Nowhere (released July 28, 2026)—available in print, ebook, and Audible narrated by Renner (54:50).
  • Next projects: A crime & philosophy essay collection (The Philosophy of Crime, 2027); a time travel novel (2028).

• Final Takeaways

  • The episode underscores the importance of honest storytelling, ethical reporting, and empathy—for victims, families, and those caught in the blast radius of public speculation.
  • Renner’s book is recommended as the definitive, most thorough account of Amy Bradley’s life, disappearance, and the many myths spun afterward.

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Key Timestamps

• [00:44] – Case overview by hosts
• [05:57–10:58] – Renner’s detailed recounting of the cruise and disappearance
• [11:07] – Renner explains why he chose this case
• [14:13] – Risks and dangers of cruise ships
• [21:39] – Debunking sex trafficking theory
• [29:58] – Renner on Amy’s sexual orientation and family’s response
• [40:30] – Photo identification, “bait and switch” explained
• [43:44] – Timeline questions and ocean survival statistics
• [45:13] – Psychological theories (call of the void)
• [52:06] – Alistair “Yellow” Douglas and the risk of scapegoating
• [53:56] – Who Amy Bradley was, as remembered by interviewees
• [54:50] – Where to buy A Cruise to Nowhere
• [58:18–58:43] – Host Áine Cain’s personal message to the Bradley family

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For Listeners

This episode provides both a compassionate portrait of Amy Bradley and a critical guide to navigating true crime lore versus evidence. Renner’s reporting stands out for its empathy and skepticism, making A Cruise to Nowhere essential reading for anyone interested in this case or the genre.

Transcript

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[Kevin Greenlee]

Content Warning this episode contains discussion of murder, rape and suicide.

[Anya Cain]

Amy Lynn Bradley has been gone for 28 years, longer than she was even alive. After all, the young woman was only 23 when she vanished on March 24, 1998 from the balcony of her family's room on the Royal Caribbean cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas.

[Kevin Greenlee]

After a night spent dancing, Amy is recorded as having returned to her cabin around 3.40am her father claimed to see her legs on the deck chair on the balcony. He thought it was around 5:30am when he rose at 6:00am she was not there. She's not been seen since.

[Anya Cain]

Since then, a search of the ship turned up no sign of Amy.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Since then, witnesses have come forward claiming to have definitely seen Amy under duress, seemingly in the hands of potential sex traffickers.

[Anya Cain]

Since then, a picture of a person alleged to be an escort has circulated around with people claiming that this person strongly resembles Amy.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Since then, a fraudster convinced the Bradleys that he had proof Amy was being held captive and that he could stage a raid to rescue her. He ended up scamming them out of a lot of money.

[Anya Cain]

Since then, a Netflix documentary last year put the case back into the public eye while making the baffling editorial decision of running with the salacious sex trafficking angle.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Since then, Amy's family, her father Ron Michael, mother Iva and brother Brad have continued to talk about the case. They do not believe she is dead. They believe she was abducted by sex traffickers, taken off the cruise ship and sold into slavery.

[Anya Cain]

In our Spin Docs episode, which I will link to, we spoke about our views on the Netflix documentary and the case as a whole, and also why we do not think that the sex trafficking theory is true. But today we'll hear from an expert. James Renner is a journalist. He's also an author, having written numerous crime nonfiction books, including Amy My Search for Her Killer True crime Addict. How I lost myself in the Mysterious disappearance of Maura Murray and Little Crazy children. Now James has written a cruise to my search for Amy Lynn Bradley. It's out now. Wherever you buy books, we'll include a link in our show notes, or you can support your local bookstores by calling them and asking them to get it for you.

[Kevin Greenlee]

A Cruise to Nowhere tackles Amy's case head on. James has done everything to run down leads, analyzed witness statements, run down photographs of a mysterious escort some claim resembles Amy sailed in the Rhapsody of the Seas.

[Anya Cain]

And now he's going to talk with us about all he's learned, his views on the case and what happened to Amy, and most importantly, the vibrant young woman lost in those windswept early morning hours. My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

[Anya Cain]

And this is the Murder Sheet.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We're the Murder Sheet.

[Anya Cain]

And this is the disappearance of Amy Bradley. A conversation with James Renner. First of all, James, thank you so much for coming on the show again. We really appreciate it.

[James Renner]

Oh, thanks for having me. This is. This is really cool. I miss you guys. I missed you at CrimeCon this year. I. I didn't get out there.

[Anya Cain]

We were really sad because we were like, we were the Denver buddies, and we were very excited about that. No, seriously, hanging out with you is a highlight. You. You're very fun to talk to, and we were bummed that you weren't in Vegas. But maybe next time.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Who knows?

[James Renner]

Yes, I think definitely next time. Next time. You know what? I was at Vegas the last time Crime Con was there, and my favorite part about that trip was they had vending machines in the hotel that you could by large pieces of cake at 2 in the morning, which was. Which is perfect. I didn't realize that how much I needed a big slice of cake at 2 in the morning, but I do.

[Anya Cain]

The decadence of Vegas. Yes.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I love.

[Anya Cain]

I wish we had been in that hotel.

[Kevin Greenlee]

But.

[Anya Cain]

But, yeah, no, we're very excited. We've read your latest book with Extreme interest. Thought it was terrific.

[James Renner]

Thank you very much.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, that's what we're going to get into today. Okay, tell us, to start out with, just for people who may not be familiar, can you sketch out the case of Amy Bradley and what, you know, what that whole mystery is all about?

[James Renner]

Yes. Yeah, sure. So. So the book itself is called A Cruise to Nowhere. That's actually a term that they use in the cruise industry. That's where you take a cruise and just head out into the water so you can get into international waters and gamble and get your drink on. I thought it applied here specifically for Amy anyways. And it take on a greater meaning, you know, as we, we go into the book. So to sum up the Amy Bradley case, Amy was a young woman, 23 years old in 1998, and she went on a cruise with her family. Her parents were both in insurance and her father won a trip. He was one of their top, you know, agents that year. And so the company awarded him with a trip. And it came with a ticket for himself and his wife, Ron and Iva Bradley. And they bought two more tickets for their children and that would be Amy and then her younger brother Brad. Now he goes by Brad Bradley, but really his name is Ron Bradley Jr. He just always had the nickname Brad Bradley. So there's the four of them that go on this trip. It sails out of Puerto Rico and it was going to hit Aruba, Curacao and a couple other destinations in the southern Caribbean and then wind up back in Puerto Rico. It was I believe, a week long trip. But when they were getting close to Curacao, I think this is like three or four days into the trip, Amy disappeared, never to be seen again. And she was last seen on the balcony of their room. And they had, the four of them shared one room. So there was a bed and there was a couch that, that would fold out into a smaller bed. Ivan Ron shared the bed and Brad and Amy shared the, the smaller bed. And sometimes Amy would sleep out on the, on the balcony wrapped up in blankets. And she was seen the night before. Her father told me that he saw her in the morning, I think around 5:30 is what, what he said. And he looked up into the balcony, saw her legs, you know, from the waist down, and then went back to sleep and woke up about a half an hour later. And now the balcony door is ajar by a few inches and Amy's not out there. And he said he had a, just a bad feeling about it. And so he went looking for her and figured she would be up on deck because the cruise ship at that point was coming in. There's a canal at Curacao, this island, it's like a Dutch island and there's a canal where at the time the cruise ship would go into the canal and then around the corner and park there. Nowadays they don't even go down the canal because the Currents in the canal are so very strong, it's dangerous. So they were heading into the canal, and he thought she would be up on deck taking pictures and as they cross under this famous bridge there. But he couldn't find her. He walked all around the ship, couldn't find her, came back to the room, woke everybody up, and then started looking again in earnest. And everybody kind of split up and went to try to find her. They couldn't find her. So that was March of 1998, and here we are in 2026, and she's never been found. So the question is, what happened to her? And on the surface, you know, maybe it's. It's easy to imagine she. You know, some people think she got drunk and fell overboard, but the family has come to strongly believe that she was kidnapped from the ship and forced into slavery as a sex worker on the island human trafficking situation. And that is due to some eyewitness sightings of her after her disappearance. There's a very famous photograph that was given to the family of an escort who supposedly worked at a brothel in Margarita island, which is really close to Curacao. Margarita island is a part of Venezuela, and there was an escort that was associated with a brothel there that looked extremely similar to Amy Bradley and would have been around the same age. That's where it gets a little complicated, because even to this day, the family believes that she's still alive and may be able to be rescued.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, it is really complicated, and there's a lot going on in this case. I'm curious, how did you come to get involved in covering this story?

[James Renner]

Yeah, so I kind of keep a short list of mysteries that really interest me. And the. The mysteries I like to spend time on and write about are the ones that are just a little strange, just a little odd for whatever reason. And this one's certainly strange because of, you know, this theory that she was kidnapped from the cruise ship. And just like the Moore Murray case, you know, with Amy Bradley, there's enough circumstantial evidence and enough weird clues to lead you in any direction that you want to go from, you know, being kidnapped to walking off and starting a new life to committing suicide to anything you can imagine. Everything's still on the table. Those are the kind of mysteries I like. And Amy Bradley's case was up there with other cases like the Springfield Three and Sneha Philip, you know, cases that maybe your other, you know, true crime addicts might. Might be interested in. You know, I was in a good position because I Had. I was under contract for another book with, with my publisher. And so I started making calls and trying to get one of those, those cases. With this book, it was really important for me to have the blessing of the family of, of the missing woman. You know, I, I went through a lot of trouble writing a book where I didn't have the family's permission and I didn't back there. So I sought out a case that was strange and one where the family wanted to be involved. And Iva Bradley was the first one to call me back. And she said, you know, hello, James, you know, can we talk? That began my involvement in the case. And I spent a good year actively researching the case and then another nine months writing the book. And you know, the research led me to. I realized that at some point that I would never fully be able to describe the ship or these locations without actually going there. So I, I did take a trip on the Rhapsody of the Seas, which is the cruise ship that Amy was on when she disappeared. And it still visits Curacao to this day. So I got to see the locations, I got to see where she was, and I even was able to get into the room that the Bradleys stayed in at that time.

[Anya Cain]

I want to say that's one of the most stressful scenes for me when I was reading this when it was like, oh man, you know, you got, you went so far to get so much detail. And when it wasn't clear if you were going to get in there or not, I was like, oh my gosh. But anyway, yeah, it was stressful, but I mean, but very compelling. I mean, you really went around the world for this case.

[James Renner]

I kind of, I kind of did, yeah.

[Anya Cain]

At least into the Caribbean, you know,

[James Renner]

at least this hemisphere, yes.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah.

[James Renner]

Yeah.

[Anya Cain]

Maybe around the world's wrong. But you went, you went far.

[James Renner]

I did further than I, I've ever gone for any other, for any other case. And you know, as, as much as something like this can be fun, I mean, it, it was kind of fun to see that cruise ship. But learning, you know, and doing a deep dive and researching cruise, the cruise ship industry, it's really dangerous for many reasons. I'm personally not too afraid. I don't think I would get myself in a situation, you know, but I have that luxury of being, you know, a middle aged man. But I certainly wouldn't want to be a young woman on, on one of these cruises. One of the problems is jurisdiction. Most likely you'll have a good time on a cruise, but if something goes wrong, you're screwed because you're outside the jurisdiction of the United States. And especially if you're on on one of these islands where, you know, like Curacao. The Bradley family have had lots of troubles because they they believe that she was taken into Curacao, but the Curacao police could care less. The Netherlands, who ultimately have authority over the island. You know, good luck trying to coordinate with them. The FBI has traveled out there to interview people, but they have no authority

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killer said to them, yeah, I killed Amy Bradley, they wouldn't even be able to arrest him without further paperwork and, you know, speaking to consulates and, you know, it become a whole, you know, state department thing. So. And there's all sorts of other weird things about cruise ships. One thing I found out by traveling on the Rhapsody of the Seas is they really pushed their drink package. At the time, it was at around 800, $850 for the week for unlimited drinks. And if you don't want to do the unlimited drinks, you can, you can buy them, you know, one by one, but they add up pretty quickly. If you do get the package, you quickly work, do the math and you work out. You're like, okay, I have to drink. I have to have at least six drinks a day to kind of break even on this. And then you want to do better than that. You know, you want to. You're like, I'm going to stick it to the cruise ship. I'm going to drink more than my money's worth. And so what it does is it incentivizes drunkenness and that leads to all sorts of other problems, like assaults, you know, from, from fights to sexual assaults. There's a lot of sexual assaults that happen on ships, mostly young, young women and, and kids. And then, you know, a lot of those get settled. You know, as weirdly as it sounds, as, you know, a room upgrade, some, some money off or, or free drinks or something like that, a lot of this goes unreported. You know, I found that one, one statistic that Shocked me was the amount of people that go overboard from cruise ships every year. I. I figured, oh, it's got to be like 2 or 3. Maybe it's like 60. It's high. It's up there. And that might even be a small number because when members of the crew go over, sometimes they don't. They don't get reported, you know, because they're not a passenger. And these, the crew members are from all over the place. They're. A lot of them are from India or, you know, Egypt, you know, European countries. They're getting paid very well to work on the cruise ships, and they spend very little because they're on the ship the whole time so they can bank that money and send it back home. And that's what a lot of the crew were doing when I was on the ship and had a chance to talk to them. But, yeah, there's, there's weird. There's. There's a lot of. There's a lot of danger on, on. On these ships.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, you really capture the dark underbelly that passengers face. And it's like, we're all on. You know, I've never been on a cruise ship personally, but, you know, you're on vacation, so I think your guard's down already. You're there to have a good time. And maybe some of these things don't really cross your mind until it's too late. But one thing I wanted to ask you about. You did such a deep dive into this topic. Were you able to find instances of passengers or people on cruise ships falling victim to sexual trafficking?

[James Renner]

Zero. There are zero confirmed reports of people being kidnapped from cruise ships and put into human trafficking. If Amy is confirmed, if that was confirmed to have happened, she would be the first one in history. As a journalist, as somebody that looks into true crime, you know, if something has only happened once in history, it's probably. It probably isn't what they're saying it is, you know, So I think there's very little chance that that is what happened. And I'll tell you another reason why human trafficking does exist in the Caribbean. It is a major problem, but not that kind of human trafficking. It's exclusively women of color, women from poor countries like the Dominican Republic and Venezuela who are either either kidnapped and put into these brothels or they just decide to work at these brothels, which is a kind of slavery in itself because, you know, the, the economics are such that, like, you know, they can stay in Venezuela or the Dominican Republic and make, you know, 20 cents an hour doing, you know, hard work, or they can go to one of these brothels and make really decent money. So the economics make it difficult for them to say no, too. It's a form of coercion. But white women being abducted and forced into prostitution, first of all, prostitution is illegal in Curacao and Venezuela, parts of Venezuela. And so why would you need to do something illegal for that? Two, A white woman is because of the fact that they are all staffed by women of color down there. A white woman's going to stand out. And a lot of people speak English in Curacao, and it would have been very easy for word to get around for her to talk to somebody, for her to warn somebody. It's just a risk that somebody that owns a brothel is not going to want to take, you know, because they'd be fine. Somebody would find out, like the authorities would find out within, like, a couple days.

[Anya Cain]

And when you have a massive supply of women in desperate circumstances who are not going to bring the heat down on you and not going to become an international incident.

[James Renner]

Right.

[Anya Cain]

You know, like, these are businesses. I think people forget first and foremost, you know.

[James Renner]

Right. They want to stay in business.

[Anya Cain]

Yes. And, yeah, they're. They're bad guys. I mean, it's a bad thing. And you actually kind of really look into the sexual trafficking side and kind of uncover some things that really do point to sexual trafficking in the Caribbean. But, you know, you are. They are businesses and they're. They're not looking to, you know, it's like drug dealers, like, they're not going to, like, start injecting little kids with heroin against their will, you know, because that'll bring the police down on them. Like, you don't do egregious things because that results in a tremendous response.

[James Renner]

Exactly. Right, yes. Yeah.

[Anya Cain]

So, you know, one thing you were able to do, you mentioned and you alluded to is, is sort of connect with the Bradleys in this case. And can you tell us about that sort of experience for you?

[James Renner]

Yeah, yeah. It started out great, is what I'll say. It started out great. I spoke to Iva and Ron a number of times, and then Iva invited me to her house in Chesterfield, Virginia, which is outside of Richmond. It's just a little west of Richmond. And so I made the journey out there. It was a wonderful drive, a very scenic route through Pennsylvania and then down through Virginia. And I got there and it was a. It was a Saturday. And she made pulled pork sandwiches with all the fixings and, you know, potato salad and I mean, it was the best pulled pork I've ever had, I think. And she's just this, you know, kind of Southern belle. When she likes you, you can. You can feel it. And what she told me on the way there to the house was that she doesn't invite anybody into the house that she. That she doesn't love. And that was really touching. And so, you know, I brought her flowers and. And then we. We talked about Amy for a few hours, and then we broke for lunch. And then around that time, Brad got there, her brother. And he only had to walk over because his house, if you go out Iva's back door, you can walk through the backyard to Brad's house. That's how close they are. And so he came over with his wife, Coral, and we continued to talk. And I had a list of questions. What was really important for me was to try to get to know Amy and try to get as many stories about Amy's life as I could and where she came from and how they ended up in Chesterfield and all that background. And I worked through that, but there were some tough things I had to get to at the end. Around this time, I had discovered, in tandem with the documentary crew, Netflix was filming the documentary at the time. And we both kind of stumbled across this information at around the same time, and we're trying to figure out how to deal with it. And nobody had talked to the parents yet, but what we had uncovered was that Amy was gay and that that was something that had been left out of the narrative for all these years. And in fact, it. It was probably a very important part of. Of her and might have played a part in what ultimately happened to her. So it was going to be an important part of the story. And so I had spoken to two of Amy's former partners, a woman named Kat, who she was with in college, and a woman named Molly, who she was with shortly after college. So I had to tell the Bradleys that I knew this. I was there and had that interview before Netflix had that interview with them. So I was the first person to tell them. And it did not go well. I told Iva that I had spoken to Molly and it was my intention to make Molly and Kat a part of the book. And she. She said, well, she didn't think that was anybody's business. And the. The tone changed completely. It was a complete 180, to Brad's credit. And Brad, if you go onto their social media, both Brad and Iva, and it's something I failed to do which is a stupid journalistic mistake. I didn't really dive into their social media enough before I went there, but if you look into it, you know, they, they, they have tweeted some things that are not friendly to LGBTQ or that sort of lifestyle. And so it became very murky and rough after that. Oh, I was going to say, to Brad's credit, he did say, you know, look, mom, or something to the effect I'm paraphrasing here, but, you know, maybe we should talk about this. Maybe it's time to talk about this. You know, I think Amy would have ended up with a woman, and I would have liked to have seen her with, with, with a female partner there. And I, I don't know if that was the first time that Iva and her son had really discussed that. It's hard to imagine it was the first time, but it sure seemed like, it sure seemed like it to me. And Iva was not, she was displeased. Ron was pretty quiet, and the meeting ended pretty quickly after that. I told Iva on the way out. She's like, well, why didn't you. Or Netflix, Why didn't Netflix say something to me? If they know about it too, why didn't they? And, and I said, iva, probably for the same reason I didn't say anything to, to you until I got here, which is, I'm scared to death that this will be the last time we talk. And she's like, oh, you know, I, I, I'm doing this for Amy. I would not cut you off. And three days later, I get a text that says, we can no longer help you with your, with your project. We wish you the best.

[Anya Cain]

You know, you kind of got to know these people a bit, and you've done this deep dive. Why do you think there is that level of reaction to discussion of Amy's sexuality all these years later?

[James Renner]

I think it goes directly to Chesterfield, to the area in which they're, they're from, and, and where Amy was raised. I didn't realize it was going to be that different from Akron, Ohio, where I was living at the time. But Virginia is the South. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. To give you an idea. My aunt, my dear Aunt Karen lived in Richmond for many years, and she was there in the late 80s, early 90s. And before I took the trip down, she told me, she's like, look, Jimmy, it's like, it's the South. She's like, I was in a restaurant, and it was a Friday night, and we were there at around 9, 9:30. And at some point during the dinner, they turned down the lights and started playing Dixie while everybody held up their candles. You know, so it's, you know, this is a. This is a place where, you know, the Civil War is still the war of Northern aggression and the south will rise. It's very conservative. And the thought of, you know, having a. Having a gay daughter is still troubles, you know, the people from that, that, that. That region. It's. It's just. It's baked into their, their culture, unfortunately, you know, even to the point where, you know, there's been a lot of back and forth with the Bradleys, especially her brother Brad, about what exactly Amy was. They want to say she was bisexual because she had relationships with men on occasion, men that, you know, her female partners would call beards. It was an open secret with them that they would have male friends that they would say were their boyfriends, so their parents would be appeased. But there's no doubt in my mind that Amy was gay. She identified to her friends and her chosen family at college as gay, as lesbian, as queer. So it's important that we don't gloss over that because she's not here to defend herself.

[Anya Cain]

Right. And, you know, I mean, it's. It's one of those things. It's nothing to be ashamed about. It's. It's.

[James Renner]

Right.

[Anya Cain]

It's just who she was. You know, it's part of Amy. And I think your book really captures Amy in all of her multifacetedness.

[James Renner]

She was. She was. Yes, thank you. She was having a lot of trouble with it, though. A lot of trouble with it. And she. She was trying to juggle two things at once. She was. She on one. On one side, she had this very, very loving family. And they were. They were a close family where mom and dad were. Were like friends. You know, they would sit around and play cards. And Amy's friends, when they would hang out, Amy's house was the place to hang out. You know, it was. It was the party place, and they were very loving. On the other hand, you know, she had. She. She knew who she was and she was attracted to women, and she wanted to have these relationships, especially with Molly towards the end. And it was all kind of coming together at the time that they took this trip. And in fact, she had just gotten back together with Molly, and when she got back from the cruise, there was going to be a major decision in her life, and that would. That was, do I live the life that I want to live? And Risk losing this family that's really close, that means a lot to me. Or at least having the relationship that we've always had. Or do I live a lie and appease my family in order to just keep the peace and keep that happiness there? And so that was the decision she was facing when she came back from that cruise.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, it's a very heavy thing. And one would hope in a world where Amy is still here, that they could have come to accept that, you know, just through the years. But it seems like everything's kind of frozen in a way.

[James Renner]

I think everything did freeze for them in March of 1998 in a lot of ways. You know, they. They still have Amy's Miata parked in the garage waiting for her, I think. I don't think they fully accepted. I would like to hear them call her gay or a lesbian. It's. I mean, it's. Again, it's not my. It's not my place, but I think that would go a long way.

[Anya Cain]

One thing I thought the book was really, was very interesting about A Cruise to Knower is that I felt it was in conversation, in a way, with True Crime Addict of another book you wrote about a missing woman. And in that case you alluded to with Maura Murray's family, you know, there was, you know, no rapport immediately. And, you know, there was this kind of ongoing, I mean, like, you know, long, long standing conflict with this one. You took the approach of very much building up the rapport, and you mentioned it went wrong, but I felt there was a real, real effort to kind of connect with them. And, you know, ultimately, where it went wrong, it was just sort of like, well, the truth may be not what they want to hear. Yeah, that's a long winded setup for the question of if you could go back in time, having kind of dealt with more families of missing people, would you do things differently approaching the Maura Murray case or other cases kind of in your career?

[James Renner]

Yeah, I think I, you know, at the time I wrote the True Crime Addict, the book on. On More, Murray was me at the height of my addiction issues, too, so that certainly didn't help. I definitely would have done things. I would have had done things with a softer touch back then, although I don't think it would have changed anything really. And I think what I. What I learned with A Cruise to Nowhere and with my relationship with the Bradleys is, you know, these. These cases are full of trauma and danger and. And just, you know, it's. It's a hornet's nest of, you know, bad things and, and, and stories. And for a journalist to look into it and to give it the attention it needs to cover it in every angle. You know, a responsible journalist will have to look into the subject or the victim's life. And we all have secrets. You know, we were. None of us are that. You know, when you see that the, The Prime Time Live or Dateline specials, where they're like, she was a perfect all American girl, or, you know, he was. He was friendly to a fault. I promise you, if you start peeling back the layers there, you're going to find everybody's up to something. Everybody has something they don't want out there. But that piece with these cases is probably pretty important because they're gone and you're looking for the sort of person that would make them disappear or the sort of reason they would have to disappear themselves, and that's wrapped up in the secrets that they keep. So, you know, I, and I tried to be as open with the Bradleys as I could. I told them, I said, I'm going to look into everything, so let me know if you don't. If you don't want that. You know, I'll find another case. And, you know, they said, no, you know, let's. Let's go. So, yeah, it's. It was, it was unfortunate you mentioned

[Kevin Greenlee]

that while you were working on this, Netflix was also producing a documentary on the case, which of course came out last year. I'm just curious, what are your thoughts on that documentary and how it turned out?

[James Renner]

The documentary itself, I thought was fine with maybe one exception. It's a complicated case, and I think they did a decent job. And there's only so much you can cover, even in, like, I think it was three hours, three episodes of a series. You know, they didn't even touch on things like this Frank Jones guy who conned the family out of $200,000. I mean, that's a big part of the story. Or the people that were associated with the brothels that definitely had some criminal activity and there may be a murder connected to. Yeah, there's. There's a lot of pieces that they couldn't get to, but as like, a synopsis of what happened in the case, I thought they did a fine job. However, I think they made a decision at some point to go with what I think with. With what is the most titillating possibility, which is that she was abducted and sold into sex trafficking and slavery, where there's no evidence to suggest that that's even remotely Possible or. Or true. But it certainly does get you viewers.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. People, I think, do find that titillating, unfortunately.

[James Renner]

And. Sure.

[Anya Cain]

You know, I mean, I think. I don't know it.

[James Renner]

I mean, it gives you the. It gives you the excuse to, you know, post the picture of the semi nude escort a dozen times and sex sells. And they leaned into it a little. A little too much. And I. Which was surprising to me because with my conversations with them, that, that was not. I did not expect them to even believe that theory.

[Anya Cain]

I'm just going to say it. It's an outlandish theory, and it is an outlandish theory requires outlandish evidence, frankly.

[James Renner]

Yes. Yes, it does.

[Anya Cain]

It's a stupid theory. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean to anybody. I understand and I sympathize with the Bradleys and why they would want to believe that because it means that she's alive. I'm not really criticizing them for that. It's. But everyone else who gets swept up into this thing, it's just. This isn't how sex trafficking works, as we talked about.

[James Renner]

No, no, not with, not with white women.

[Kevin Greenlee]

No.

[Anya Cain]

And I'm like, I feel like there's like a weird, like, I don't know, there's a weird vibe to some of it where it becomes like, oh, us white women are just so valuable. People are snatching us up and it's like, that's just. No one's gonna sex traffic me. You know what I mean? Like, it would be a big deal. Like, it would be a big fuss and there'd be like missing posters like, there. That's not. When we ignored how sex trafficking actually works. I feel like we ignore the real victims. The real victims who need our understanding and help.

[James Renner]

Absolutely. Yes. And, you know, the, the main piece that they go back to for evidence that she was trafficked was that picture of the escort. And the pictures that we've been shown by Netflix, by the family, you know, by these, these other accounts show pictures of this escort where Amy's tattoos were not visible. But there are more pictures of that escort out there where you can clearly see the tattoos that Amy should have had are not there. This is. It is not Amy. In fact, I think I've. I think I managed to find out who that escort was in a roundabout way. I had a. I had a woman reach out to me who lived in Florida at the time who told me the story about befriending a woman there. And everything about her story at least checks out. I know she was there when she says she was. And, and this woman even claims to have been present for some of the pictures when they were, they were taken. And this woman worked as an escort in that area of Florida at the time. And I found, I also found out that the escort brothel that, that, that place in, on Margarita island was doing bait and switches where they would take pictures of white women and say that they were visiting escorts and she was in that visiting escort page. And their clients would get there, you know, $2,500 for, you know, a week, I think, at the, at the resort. And they would say, oh, you know what, she's not here this week. But we have these lovely women from the Dominican Republic and from Venezuela. So I think that's what was, what was going on.

[Anya Cain]

And you mentioned the pictures that don't match. I mean, I remember in the Netflix documentary they're doing all sorts of graphics of like, match match, you know, like, kind of like, like. And it was just, it felt very duplicitous and there was like, oh, the FBI confirms there'. Match. No, they didn't.

[James Renner]

Like, no, they didn't. I don't know if that was something that was chopped up from something the agent said about answering a different question or what, but the FBI certainly didn't ever decide that that was, that that was her. It's my understanding that the person who claims that, you know, they were able to forensically analyze the photo and declared that it was probably Amy was a private consultant of some sort. He wasn't, he wasn't an FBI agent at the time.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, I think it's unfortunate in terms of the, you know, we've talked about the foul play theory. I mean, there's probably several you could do where, you know, this is sex trafficking, then there's maybe a murder on board that's, you know, maybe she's not out there, but she was killed by somebody. But as far as the non foul play theories, what were you able to uncover about those? I suppose I'll specify something like, I felt like the documentary really skimmed the possibility of someone going overboard and whether they would be found. And what we're always told is no, the currents are such a way that someone would always be found if they went overboard here. What were you able to find out about that whole narrative?

[James Renner]

A couple of things. One, I think the narrative, the timeline that we've been given is false. And I think it's off by about an hour. In the days right after Amy disappeared, Amy's aunt was working as the Family spokesperson. She spoke to a number of newspapers, and the times that she gave were that Ron last saw her not at 5:30 but at 4:30. And if that was the last time he really did see her, that puts the cruise ship further away from the island. And if she went overboard, it certainly would explain why we never found a body because they weren't looking in the right place. And, you know, the ocean is full of, you know, I mean, you've got sharks out there, you've got all sorts of things. It'd be almost impossible to find a body. Also, here's another statistic about cruise ships. Once you go overboard, whether you do it on purpose or on accident, once you're in that water, there's only a 25% chance that you'll come out alive. Isn't that crazy? I figured, you know, everybody's, you know, there are a lot of decent swimmers. You'll be okay. I could tread water. No, because, you know, that ship is going to take another hour to turn around and, you know, call for help. And there's things in the water and like, you know, you're also wearing clothes, so it's pulling you down. So there's Also, you know, 25% chance is the chance of you're coming out of that water again.

[Anya Cain]

That is terrifying. I mean, like.

[James Renner]

I know, I know. So, yeah, I, I think there's other possibilities. You know, what, what? I, I talk about this a little bit in the book, if you've ever been on a cruise ship. And I felt this. I, I actually felt this on my, my honeymoon. And we, we took a honeymoon cruise to Belize way back in 2004. I remember standing at, at the, the back of the ship and you just. It's the same feeling that you get when you're standing on the edge of a cliff or the edge of the Grand Canyon where, you know, logically, that you don't want to die, you don't want to jump. But there's that feeling in you that's like, well, what if, you know, what if I. What if I just stepped over? And that's a feeling the French call lapel du vide, but that we call the call of the void. It's part of human nature. And they think, you know, that it's actually an instinctual advantage. You know, we're, we're kind of imagining the ways that we might die so that we stay safe. But I felt that on, on the Rhapsody of the Seas. And I, I imagine. I imagine Amy probably did, too. So I picture Amy out on, on that deck. And she's got a big decision to make when she gets home, you know, about who. I mean, the biggest decision ever, which is who is Amy Bradley? She has to decide who Amy Bradley is. And then you've got this open ocean, you know, just a step away, and that makes all the questions go away. And at the very least, if you survive, it's, you know, at least you've, you've said how important that decision is to you. I guess so. That's. I, I don't know. I. One way or another, I believe Amy went over that, that balcony. I don't think she ever came out of that room.

[Anya Cain]

I guess, you know, one kind of lingering question when you look at a case like this and you know, I've made my opinion on this case clear, I think Kevin shares it, that the sexual trafficking thing in general is, is a non starter for me without substantive evidence. And I don't feel that the witness sightings are reliable. And I think your book does a great job of really kind of breaking it down of like, who saw what when, and, you know, why could that be compelling? But why, what are some of the issues with those? Yeah, you know, I do feel that, you know, at the same time, though, I mean, the Bradleys, I do feel terrible, terribly sorry for them and losing a daughter and a sister like this. How can the true crime audience, do you think, balance compassion with people who suffered such a loss with not validating what seems to be denial? You know, one thing that I think the book really does well is you do capture a lot of, you know, the book conveys a lot of compassion to the Bradleys and, you know, while honoring the truth about Amy and the truth about who she loved and how she lived. And I thought that was a really great balance because it's like your heart breaks for these people. I mean, they've lost their daughter and sister in a really traumatic way. And then I think they continue to traumatize themselves with imagining this really horrific fate where she's imprisoned and captive and used for sexual slavery. And it's just, it's a horrible, it's a horrible thing all around. And I guess my question for you is sometimes I feel like true crime validates people who are in denial about a case or about who their loved one was or about what happened to them or, you know, it's an ambiguous thing that might be a suicide or an overdose. And no, it has to be a murder because I need someone to blame.

[James Renner]

Yes.

[Anya Cain]

I feel like people play true Crime plays into that of like, yes, let's solve the mystery. And it just ends up hurting people who are already in pain. I mean, how do you think true crime can balance, though, compassion for people who are suffering in that way and maybe have all these kinds of theories with not validating things that are not true or not validating people who are in denial?

[James Renner]

I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible. I think it, I think when you're to do something like that, steps out of the world of journalism and into the world of PR and public relations, you know, it's, it's, it's why reporters and, and some journalists get a, get a bad rap because, you know, they, you know, how could you say that? How could you? It's like, well, what is my, what is my job? Is it, is it to find the truth no matter what? Or is it to find what you want the truth to be, what you'd prefer the truth to be? And we could pretend it's that, you know, but then what are we doing? You know, So I, I, I don't think it can be done. But you don't have to be mean about it. You know, all this time, you know, that I've dealt with the Bradleys here, I do it, I do it with respect. You know, I don't, I don't say belittling things. I understand that they're hurting, but I also understand that there are certain things that may ultimately, you know, help the case that, that should be shared, like the appropriate timeline of events or the, you know, the statistics behind human trafficking here that just make that an impossibility. So, yeah, I don't think it's, I don't think it's possible.

[Anya Cain]

And I think your book does highlight how on some level, it is unkind to validate people who are clearly in denial. Because, I mean, again, I can't imagine thinking my daughter was out there being sex trafficked when the alternative is she's at peace and she's gone.

[James Renner]

Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I'm very lucky. You know, I have a, I have a teenage daughter. If she were ever to go missing on an island, first of all, I would be, I would never leave that island. And if I couldn't do anything else, if I could never find her, I would burn that island to the ground. You know, so I understand that, that, you know, I understand the way they're, they're thinking there. And, and, you know, I think we can, you know, nobody can. Nobody can blame them.

[Anya Cain]

I think we can. We could sympathize without perpetuating lines.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah.

[James Renner]

Yeah.

[Anya Cain]

I mean, I. We didn't even get into this, but, I mean, I want to save some things for. People should read this. I think it's gonna really. You did such a great job of just literally, like, all the. I mean, I remember, like, I'm somewhat familiar with the case, and I'd be reading, I'd be like, okay, well, I wonder if he got this guy or they talked to this person. Then, like, next chapter, I'm like, oh, there we go. So, like, you're answering my questions as

[James Renner]

they came up and I. I flew all the way to Grenada for an interview. We didn't even. We didn't even get there.

[Anya Cain]

Yes, Alistair Douglas. And I was like, man. And you know what? Like, that's a person where there's been so much said about him online and in different documentaries, and he's been made out to be one type of way. And when you got to kind of know him and got to kind of talk to him, it just totally subverts all the expectations.

[James Renner]

I like the guy. You know, he's. He's honest about being, you know. You know that he was a womanizer when he was in his early 20s, but, you know, he's. Now. He's got a beautiful wife, he's got kids. He's not. This guy's not a murderer.

[Anya Cain]

I just think there's also something very troubling to me about, you know, a black man being essentially, you know, made to be the villain because he's dancing

[James Renner]

with a white woman, one of the only black men on the ship, just. Yeah. All of a sudden. Yeah, no, I know. I know.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah. It's. You know, and so there's people like him who I see as kind of who have been maybe victims is too strong. I don't know if that's too strong a word, but victimized by this situation.

[James Renner]

Absolutely. No, I think he's a victim, too. I mean, it's. It's cost him jobs. It's custom. You know, you search Alistair Douglas or Yellow on the Internet, and there are people directly saying that he, you know, kidnapped Amy.

[Anya Cain]

And it's based on nothing. I mean, like, if there's evidence against someone, I don't care who they are, if they're black, white, or whatever, like, yeah, accuse them. But this guy, there's just. It's. It's. It's based on nothing.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Right.

[Anya Cain]

For me, and I think we wrote this in the blurb, you know, and which we, again, we thought the book was great. I really loved getting to know Amy and all of her different complexities. And she seemed like a really cool person at the end of the day. She seemed like, you know, like kind of. I felt like I got to know her through the people who loved her, you know, her family, but also the women who loved her. And what would you want people to take away about the person Amy was?

[James Renner]

I hope they take away the same thing that I took away, which is that Amy didn't waste any second of her life. She was always having adventures, the envelope, doing crazy things, having fun, as if she knew that she only had a limited time. Time on this. This planet. After learning about her from. From her friends and family, it. It made me take another look at. At my life and realize that I should be treating every day that like it's my last, you know, which is. Which is what she did. And she got the most. She. She got the most out of life then she probably lived. She probably lived more than most people live in a full lifetime, you know, 80, 90 years.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So speaking as an author who's been interviewed countless times, here's what I think is the most important question. Where can people get your book?

[James Renner]

Anywhere books are sold? Cruise to Nowhere comes out July 28, 2026. If you like it, I narrate the book on Audible. So it's available as an audiobook, you've got it as a physical copy, you got ebooks, you can get it in Barnes and Noble. Any bookstore will have it for you. So go look for books. And it's there, hopefully.

[Anya Cain]

Yeah, I would just strongly encourage people. I think if you want to understand this case, you have to read this book.

[James Renner]

Thanks.

[Anya Cain]

Absolutely. Well, James, is there anything we didn't ask you about that you wanted to mention?

[James Renner]

No, I think it's good. I'm hard at work on other things. This might be my last true crime book for quite a while. I've had a true crime book out every year for, I think, the last three or four years. I'm taking a little break. I am veering into fiction now that. That being said, in 2027, I do have a book coming out called the Philosophy of Crime, which is based on a podcast that I do, but that's a series of essays. It'll be very interesting if you're into philosophy and crime. But my first, my next, like, actual book, full book, will be a novel and probably come out in 2028, so we'll see.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Wow.

[Anya Cain]

Well, as a man from Primrose, Lane Enjoyer. I'm psyched. Okay, can you give us a hint? Is it gonna be crime fiction?

[James Renner]

It's about time travel. Just like man from Primrose Lane. It's. It's more time travel. Less. Less crime this time though.

[Anya Cain]

I'm psyched. I love the time travel in man from Primrose Lane. And you know what, even if there's not as much crime, you know, maybe we can have some non criminal time travel and it'll still be fun.

[James Renner]

I hope so.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We can't wait.

[Anya Cain]

Well, we'd love to, you know, keep chatting and thank you for the work you did on this case and again, encourage everyone to get the book. Let me tell you something. I believe that James has uncovered the truth in his book or else as close to the truth as we will ever get. And that is a rare feat in terms of non fiction books about unsolved crimes. I believe he took great care in capturing Amy's terrific personality and frankly her very interesting life. She sounds like a great person. I view this as the definitive book on the case. I strongly recommend you read it if you're interested in the case, but also even if you're just interested in how the loss of one person can have such immense ripple effects on those around her. To the Bradleys, if this interview happens to get back to you, we wish to first and foremost convey our sympathies. If you ever decide you want to talk to us on or off the record, we would be happy to have a conversation, but we also understand if you do not. I also understand if our coverage of Amy's case through this episode and through our spin docs episode is upsetting to you. And frankly that grieves me because I know you've been through a lot and I don't wish to add to your pain. A tremendous unkindness has been done to you. You have been ill treated, you have been scammed, you have been lied to. You have been kept in a type of suspended animation with the hope that your daughter, your sister, your loved one is alive, held in captivity. Grifters and sycophants and well intentioned dupes have locked you in that prison since 1998. I am tremendously sorry this has happened. I am sorry that Amy died. I am sorry that you were put in a position through circumstances and malfeasance and denial where you could not accept that and grieve her properly. I cannot imagine the fear and hurt and anger you have felt throughout the years. I understand that it may be painful to hear me call the sex trafficking theory outlandish. I do not say such things to be hurtful, but I do strongly feel that this needs saying. I have seen the evidence for sex trafficking in this case. I do not believe it is worth anything. I do not believe the witnesses. I do not believe the woman in the photograph is Amy. And I am so underwhelmed by this evidence at this point that I just do not entertain these things even as a possibility. If I did, I would not be so blunt. To not say these things is to lie by omission in my view, and that is to do you and Amy and the people wrongfully accused of being suspicious and potentially involved a disservice. I believe Amy died that night, either when she hit the water or shortly after. She's gone. She can't be saved. She cannot be rescued. She's at peace and there's no one to blame. And I hope at some point that you stop this self inflicted torture and instead just focus on remembering the vibrant person she truly was. You can mourn her, you can let her rest, and in doing so you can rest yourselves. We want to thank James Renner for coming on the show and discussing this case in such depth. Again, we strongly recommend that you get his book. I think it's a necessary read and we will include links in our show notes to that book and some of his other great works.

[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

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[Kevin Greenlee]

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[Anya Cain]

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