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Anya Cain
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Kevin Greenlee
Content Warning this episode contains discussion of violence and murder. It also may contain some profanity we.
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Anya Cain
Talk a lot about Scott Macklem on this program. That is because we have been covering his murder. Scott, of course, died on November 5, 1986. He was 20 years old. He was shot dead in the parking lot of the St. Clair Community College in Port Huron, Michigan by a man now calling himself Temujin Kenzou, who was then known as Frederick Thomas Freeman or.
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Kevin Greenlee
Fred or Mickey Ford or John Lamar. It all depends on who you talk to.
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Anya Cain
So we talk about Scott's death all the time, but unfortunately, we really haven't gotten to talk about Scott's life, about the person he was.
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Kevin Greenlee
We've only really talked about the awful thing that happened to him. We've only had a few glimpses of his personality.
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Anya Cain
See, in many ways, Scott has been eclipsed in the discussion of his own murder. That is certainly the case in most of the discourse, in much of the coverage done by the traditional press and new media. And Scott's murderer, Kenzou, has captured most of the attention, fawning profile after fawning profile, sympathetic interview after sympathetic interview, inaccurate detail after inaccurate detail. Ken Zoo has long boasted the loudest voice in this case, and he's got a whole chorus of supporters willing to sing backup on his behalf. For years, he's been bellowing on and on and on about how he's not only a wrongfully convicted man, but he's also factually innocent and such a swell guy. We uncovered much evidence to the contrary and have reported on it extensively.
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Kevin Greenlee
But still, it has nagged us that we haven't really introduced our audience to Scott. That seems deeply unfair. Scott deserves to be remembered over Kenzo. Unlike his killer, Scott was a good man who actually contributed to society. He was a man capable of love and empathy and kindness. People who knew Scott are better for having known him. So in a pair of episodes we'll be releasing today and tomorrow, we seek to remedy that situation. In this first episode, we will introduce you to who Scott was. In the second episode, we will dispel some of the toxic myths about Scott that have been spread by Team Kinzu, and we will discuss the implication of.
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Anya Cain
Those myths, and we will have some help in doing so. Of course, we never knew Scott ourselves. We can therefore not say exactly what he was like from our own experience. But his friends can tell us all about him. Today, we will hear from five friends of Scott's. We actually have heard from more than these five, but these are the five willing to lend us their voices. In the episode, we are going to refer to these friends numerically in the order we interviewed them. So they will be friend 1, friend 2, friend 3, friend 4, friend, and friend 5.
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Kevin Greenlee
The reason we are doing this is because Kenzou, his current wife Paula, and his acolytes have a history of harassing anyone and everyone in this case, including Scott's loved ones. That is one of the many techniques they use to silence those with the power to harm their fraudulent innocence narrative. We seek to protect our sources, so we are keeping them anonymous. But we have confirmed independently that each of them knew Scott.
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Anya Cain
Let's get started on getting to know who Scott Macklem was. My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.
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Kevin Greenlee
And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.
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Anya Cain
And this is the Murder Sheet.
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Kevin Greenlee
We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We're the Murder Sheet.
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Anya Cain
And this is the murder of Scott Macklem. The guilt of Temujin Kenzu, who Scott was. Scott was like a Christmas gift for his parents. He was born on December 25, 1965 to Gary and Pat Macklem of Croswell, Michigan. He was deeply loved by his family, by his community, by his friends. In this episode, we will focus on that love and on the kind Young man loss on November 5, 1986.
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Kevin Greenlee
All of Scott's friends that we talked to met him early in his life. Let's get a sense of how everyone knew Scott.
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Anya Cain
We will start with friend 5. She was the neighborhood tomboy who was close to Scott from childhood onward. Can you just tell us a little bit about how you knew Scott?
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Friend 5
We grew up together. His side yard, we had a very large yard. We lived in town. My mom went to school with his mom. They graduated together, and my mom and his mom drove school bus together. And he lived right behind me. The side of his property and the back corner of my property were right across the street from each other. So we grew up together, played together, rode motorcycles together, swam, hiked tree forts, baseball, football, all, all of it. When we were younger, we spent a ton of time at the roller rink Wednesday night, Saturday day, Friday night over there, doing that and riding dirt bikes, hanging around sports. I would go to his baseball games with my mom. He was, he was a lot of fun. I was one grade ahead of him in school. He was agreed behind me. And several of my best friends were his grade. And there was other, other guys, they always joke, they always called me and just one of the guys because there was like me and five of them that we all, you know, four of them that we all hung out with in the neighborhood. And so I, yep, I grew up hanging out with him, spending summers with him, sports and stuff like that. And his mom used to joke that she was gonna claim me on their income taxes because I spent so much time at their house.
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Anya Cain
I love that.
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Friend 5
So we were in school all together in our younger years, then middle school and then the year that I went into high school. Our high school, previously, prior to that ninth grade, was still in the junior high because our school school just wasn't big enough. And the year that I went into 10th grade to go in the high school was the year that Scott's class came with me. So it was really nice because all of my friends, all of my friends followed me.
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Kevin Greenlee
Now friend four who got to know Scott through high school. Sports.
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Friend 4
I didn't meet Scott till sixth grade. I moved up there. I didn't originally grow up there, so we moved there in sixth grade. So for the first two years, I, I didn't have probably much at all interaction with Scott. But in ninth grade, I tried out for basketball and I was a late bloomer. And of course Scott was already, you know, they, him and some of the other guys been playing since they were in fourth and fifth grade. So in eight, I believe it was eighth grade. Yeah, eighth grade, I think I tried out and I made the team because they didn't cut anybody. But then in ninth grade, I played with Scott again. Tenth grade, I played with them again. Eleventh and twelfth grade, I played with them again. He was our captain for basketball team. I was pretty close with Scott during the, you know, during those years of basketball because it was pretty big part of my life and we had a pretty good team. He was the captain. So we had a small class, you know, so even though, like I said, there wasn't, I couldn't remember how many was in our class, but I think maybe it was 100, if I'm just guessing correctly. It's a pretty small school. So everybody kind of knew everybody, But I was just, like I said, a little bit closer because of playing basketball with him and kind of knowing him, you know, in not just school but at practice and during game situations and, you know, things like that, traveling to and from on the bus.
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Anya Cain
Next, friend three, who met Scott in sixth grade.
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Friend 3
I knew Scott from school. I. When we moved Lexington, Michigan, when I was in 8 years old. So starting third grade. And so it wasn't until I was in sixth grade grade that I was actually in school with Scott. So he lived in Croswell and I was in the next town over. Lexington. It's Croswell, Lexington school. So that was the first encounter that I had with Scott was in 6th grade. So I was a classmate of his from 6th to 12th grade.
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Kevin Greenlee
Friend 2 was not just Scott's friend. They also dated for a time.
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Friend 2
Scott and I were in the same class from Croslex high School. I think we started dating. Must have been ended 10th, 11th grade, I think it was. So it'd been junior, junior and senior year. We just always knew each other in high school that we had, you know, same friends. He was just a very kind person, very considerate, but we always had the same friends, you know, so.
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Anya Cain
And finally friend 1.
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Friend 1
I've known him since junior high school. We come from, of course, Carswell area, Lexington area, and there's several different elementary schools. And they start to pull into. They start to pull into a couple of middle school and then up into junior high. And so it wasn't until the junior high level where our pool passed and we became, you know, the crosswalks pioneers. So it was in junior high where I had first come into contact. I had so many memories of Scott. It's not even. We don't have time and to discuss them all. I was played freshman basketball together and from, you know, that, that point on, we were. I consider him my best friend. I, I'm, I know he had lots of other friends, lots of other people in his life. Of course he had a multitude of friends. You know, he just made friends wherever he went. Right. So if you're going to try and call yourself a best friend of him, you need to check it because he had a lot of best friends.
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Kevin Greenlee
Let's talk about something. You notice that all of those folks knew Scott from school in some capacity, with the exception of Fred Foer, who was closer with Scott's fiance Crystal than Scott himself. These friends stayed in touch with Scott even after graduation. It is important to recall that Scott was only 20 when he died. He never moved away from the Croswell area at the time of his murder. He was a student at St. Clair Community College in Port Huron, Michigan, about a 40 minute drive from Croswell.
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Anya Cain
So those Scott grew close to in his time in Croswell and the surrounding area very much remained friends. They still saw him and hung out with him even as they went in different directions after graduating high school.
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Kevin Greenlee
So we've thrown around the names of places like Croswell, Lexington and Port Huron.
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Anya Cain
Let's clarify what we're talking about a bit. Port Huron is the seat of St. Clair County. It hugs the St. Clair river on the edge of Lake Huron and also borders Canada. The blue water bridge connects the two countries there.
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Kevin Greenlee
Lexington is a village in Santa Lac county that borders Croswell. It's on the shore of Lake Huron.
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Anya Cain
Croswell is a city that sits inland right next to Lexington. It's also in Sanilac county. As of 2010, Croswell has a little under 2,500 residents.
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Kevin Greenlee
We asked each of Scott's friends to talk about growing up in the Croswell Lexington area. Here's friend four.
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Friend 4
Oh, it's just a little tiny city up in little tiny rural community in mid Michigan. You know, it was kind of a weird time. And during that time, you know, it was like, I don't want to say it was Marian Contra and long gas lines and Jimmy Carter. And I remember that Crosbo was just like I said, little rural town. Sugar beets made the town stink. Was very rural. You could drive the pickup, Larry's pickup outtown if you were only 15 and no one would bother you. You're driving a work pickup, you know what I mean?
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Anya Cain
Oh, and when friend four talks about driving Larry's pickup. That's Crystal's father as a teenager. Friend 4 got a job working on Crystal's father's dairy farm. That's why we said he was closer to Crystal than to Scott. He knew Crystal and her family very well from that.
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Friend 4
Just a little diner, you know, little grocery store, whatnot. But mostly farmers, you know, mostly farmland. Tough time up there. A lot of the factories closed down and like I said, things just economically weren't great. So Crosby didn't have a lot, a lot of money, but the farmers always had, you know, a stable base as far as that went. So when I applied for a job in Croswell, give an example. At the Croswell Milling Co. After I left Dairy Farm, I was about 18 years old and at that time, like 350 grown men had had applied for that one job at the milling company, grinding feed and all that, you know, and she picked me, you know, and I was 18 out of 385 guys because a lot of guys didn't have any work in the thumb, you know, at that time. That's what Crosville was like, you know what I mean?
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Kevin Greenlee
And here's friend three on the Croswell Lexington High School she and Scott attended.
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Friend 3
And the school actually sits in Croswell, so it's the Croswell Lexington School District, Class B school. Good school, rural rural community.
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Anya Cain
To say about the more idyllic aspects of growing up there.
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Friend 1
A little normal town, usa right? They a lot of people worked at either the sugar factory or at the oh the local A and W up in Lexington. A lot of kids went through that, you know, life journey where they were either cooks or waitresses at the local restaurants or working at factory or sugar factory. And during school year you were back at school doing your thing Just a kind of a quiet point. Little set of towns right next to each other that I'm absolutely glad I grew up in. It was ride your bike up and go fishing down at the harbor or right down to the lake and jump in the water and no cares in the world right at that time in your life.
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Kevin Greenlee
And here's friend two to talk about a quick distinction between those who lived in town and those farming families who lived further out.
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Friend 2
Croswell. Lexington was just a smaller town, so you had to. Croswell and Lexington, they were five miles apart. That family was raised right in town of Croswell. I was a farm girl, so, you know, it was just a smaller, smaller town. I mean, my parents wouldn't let me go to Lexington. We could only go to Crossville area.
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Anya Cain
The one glimpse most of us have had of Scott comes from his time in high school. The photograph we are all used to seeing is his senior year yearbook portrait. Scott looks like a clean cut all American kid wearing a suit and tie and a smile. That was back in 1984, the year he graduated from Croswell Lexington high school.
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Kevin Greenlee
Scott fit in very well there. He did a lot of different activities. Athletics were very important to him and he excelled at multiple Sports. Here's friend 5.
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Friend 5
He was a jock. He played all the sports. He was very good at basketball. He played golf.
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Anya Cain
Friend 1 played on a team with Scott.
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Friend 1
He and I played basketball all the way through our senior years together.
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Kevin Greenlee
Another teammate, Friend 4, talked about Scott's crucial role on the team.
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Friend 1
He was our point guard.
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Friend 4
He was our, you know, ball handler, floor captain, you know, captain. He brought the ball up court. A good shooter, whoever that, real good shooter. But he wasn't known at that time. He wasn't like our main scoring threat or anything like that because he directed traffic. He was very intelligent. So that's usually the position of the point guard to get it to the open man, bring the ball up safely.
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Friend 1
And, you know, but that's what Scott did was he played point guard.
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Friend 4
I remember he was probably about 6:1, 6:2. So he was almost tall enough to be like a forward like I was. But he just was very coordinated, you.
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Friend 1
Know what I mean?
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Friend 4
So he was very tall for a guard. He could have probably crossed over if need be into play forward at 61 or something like that, you know.
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Anya Cain
In high school, those who cared about Scott would come and cheer him and his team on. Here's friend two, his former girlfriend. Her mom had a nickname for Scott that made its way into the stands at Games.
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Friend 2
Yeah, my mom gave him. The nickname is Tweety. That was his nickname. I remember making posters. His number was 23. And my mom used to call him Tweety.
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Anya Cain
Oh, that's. So why didn't she call him that?
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Friend 2
I don't know. She just did. And I think there was a couple of posters that were made with his number on it. She called them Tweety.
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Friend 4
No.
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Friend 2
Why? Don't know why.
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Friend 3
Yeah.
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Kevin Greenlee
Scott was into baseball as well, serving as the pitcher. His time on the team inspired some memories from friend 5. You see, in the warmer months, baseball interrupted their pool time.
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Friend 5
Yeah, I had a small pool in my backyard. But Scott's parents belonged to. They had a thing they called a community pool. There was like thing that started out six families, then it went up to eight, then it went up to 10, and it was right across the street from Scott's house. So, like right out my backyard that his parents were part owners in. And so we spent like a lot of our time in the pool, except the days that he had a baseball game because he pitched. So we couldn't swim on baseball game days because then your muscles were at your feet and he couldn't throw the ball.
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Anya Cain
He also played football for a spell. His position was actually quarterback. Football was a pretty big deal at Cross Lex in the fall season. But Scott's heart wasn't really in it. So his handling of that situation ultimately inspired friend 1.
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Friend 1
He and I played football together until he didn't play football. Football anymore.
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Friend 4
Right.
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Friend 1
Freshman, freshman, sophomore year. He didn't play me any longer. He went on to play golf and basketball. And he showed me that it was okay not to do that, which everybody else does, I guess, in that he dropped out of football. And, you know, you're a high school kid. Ability to play sports and footballed everything in the fall. Right. And he. He went a different direction. He went off and because he was a quarterback Right. In freshman year, he could have stuck with that and gone farther and then. But he showed that, you know, you don't have to follow that crowd. You can go and do what you like to do. And that's when I think he started playing golf. He took off on the golf team.
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Kevin Greenlee
In discussions of Scott's life, one sport stands out in particular was golf, his.
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Anya Cain
Big passion in terms of sports.
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Friend 5
Yeah.
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Friend 1
He and his dad played a lot together. And he had another friend that was from out of our school district that his dad owned the golf course up there in Lexington.
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Anya Cain
Scott even tried to teach his girlfriend how to golf here's. Friend 2.
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Friend 2
There was a driving race right by my right on Yelp line. And it was like right by. Out by the boonies, out by my mom and dad. He used to take me to the driving range a lot and try to help me go do golf, you know, driving range. So he helped me a lot.
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Anya Cain
Did you get better at golf from training with him?
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Friend 2
No. No. He tried. No, I did.
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Anya Cain
At least he tried.
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Kevin Greenlee
Here's a depressing note. Scott's love of golf factored into his murder case. While Temujin Kinzu was actively stalking Scott and Crystal, he broke into their vehicles at least once. When he got into Scott's vehicle, he tossed his golf clubs out onto the ground.
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Anya Cain
Back to Scott's friends. They told us Scott's quiet competence and sense of competition didn't just carry him through real Life Sports. Here's friend 5.
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Friend 5
When we were younger, we'd be over at his house, so we would. You. You would laugh now because Atari, his mom had like, the Atari system. And I'm. I'm pretty. I'm very much a tomboy, obviously, because I hung out with all the boys. You know, I had a dirt bike. You know, we ice skated, roller, you know, roller skated, all that. As good as I was at the sports and stuff, it always drove me crazy because I. I could never beat Scott at the video games and the Atari. We would sit in the. We would lay on the living room floor on his bedroom floor and play Atari. And he had one of those little. I don't know if you would even know what these are. It's a little white handheld foot bump game.
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Anya Cain
Oh.
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Friend 5
I think it has a screen across the top. And all it is is the little dash is your quarterback, and there's three guys in front of it that are your linemen. And then there's the other guys on the other side of it who are your defense. And you have to move the arrows up and down and then run it down the thing like three times to get a, you know, to get a touchdown. We would play that all the time. And it drove me crazy because he was so good at it. He knew how to not only score, but up all the time on the clock so that by the time he handed it to me, I didn't have any time left to run down and get my touchdown. And then the ball would turn back over to him.
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Friend 3
Yeah.
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Anya Cain
Strategic.
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Friend 5
Very strategic. Very, very, very much the sports buff. Very much the sports buff.
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Friend 3
Yep. Oh, that's fun.
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Anya Cain
Thank you for sharing that.
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Friend 5
Sure. Just a lot of fun times, a lot of good times.
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Kevin Greenlee
His love of athletics also factored into how Scott approached life, specifically his own health. Lots of kids experiment with drugs in high school. According to all of the friends that we talked to, Scott was not one of those kids. Here's friend five.
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Friend 5
Yes, he was very handsome, very athletic, right? And like I said, and took very, very, very good care of himself. I mean, he was tall and very, very lean. You know, he was not into. He was not into things that would be detrimental to his body. He cared about his appearance, about how he looked.
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Anya Cain
He didn't even smoke cigarettes at a time when that was far more common amongst young people. At most he might drink a beer or two at a high school party and that was just once in a while. He was not into heavy drinking and he was certainly not into drugs.
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Kevin Greenlee
Instead, Scott took care of himself. He also developed a style of his own. There's a term for the type of fashion Scott gravitated toward. Here's friend two.
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Friend 2
They used to call him crappy because he was well dressed. We both got best dressed in our senior year voted on. And he used to wear like a wool coat. I remember that I got wool cloak for Christmas one year and a wool hat. He was pretty stylish.
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Anya Cain
And here's friend five.
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Friend 5
He wore the oxford or the, you know, three button collared shirt. Sometimes I, gosh, if I remember right, he would wear sweaters and gosh, it seems like I remember him sometimes having his sweater. Remember when guys got. Well, you wouldn't remember that. You guys are young when your sweater's hung over your shoulder. Gosh, it seems like I remember seeing him wear that. He was always dressed nice even if he had jeans on. Even if he was, I mean, this is what I mean with his appearance. Even if he was wearing jeans, his shirt was tucked in, he had a belt on, you know, he almost always had on a collared shirt. Besides us running around like on the dirt bikes and stuff like that, I honestly can't think of him not wearing a collared shirt.
- [32:09]
Anya Cain
Did he like Izod shirts like the golf shirts?
- [32:12]
Friend 5
Yes.
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Kevin Greenlee
Here's friend three.
- [32:15]
Friend 3
Always was very, you know, the polo shirts, you know. Yeah, definitely always was dressed well dressed. He wasn't, you know, grungy looking there, was he. He always looked, was clean cut, very well dressed, you know, and even after.
- [32:33]
Friend 5
He, you know, graduated because I went.
- [32:37]
Friend 3
To SC4 too and I worked, my dad managed a jewelry store in Port Huron. And so him and Crystal would come.
- [32:44]
Friend 5
In and, you know, just visit and.
- [32:48]
Friend 3
You know, look at different jewelry and, you know, things that you would do back then.
- [32:53]
Kevin Greenlee
Is Scott's former girlfriend, who we call Friend 2. Mentioned when it comes to superlatives. In high school, he was voted best dressed, but he was also elected most popular.
- [33:06]
Anya Cain
When you think of a preppy, handsome jock in the 1980s, you might think of a villainous, mean kid in an old high school movie. But Scott got along extremely well with people, everyone. Like he didn't have enemies. High school can be pretty cliquey, but Scott was just nice to people regardless of what group they hung out with. Here's friend four.
- [33:27]
Friend 4
He was very mild mannered. Scott was just very different. Like he was, he could have almost been a teacher's pet because he was smart, he got good grades, but he balanced that real well with getting along with everybody. At the same time, you know, he's a little bit of a dopester. He had a good sense of humor. I remember he had a great smile. But like I said, he did well on tests. You know, he did follow teachers instructions. He wasn't a class clown or anything like that. You know, I just remember he handled himself well. It seemed like no matter what group you ran in, you know, because again, it was a smaller high school. But Scott was nice to everybody from what I remember all through high school. But I remember he was humble too. That's, you know, it would have been real easy not to like Scott because, you know, his parents had, you know, a real nice home. He seemed to have money, he seemed to have things. But I, I don't think anyone ever felt that way, hoping that I never knew would treat him like that or talk to him like that or look down at him because of how he was just a good guy. He was humble, smart, humble, kind.
- [34:33]
Kevin Greenlee
Here's friend 5.
- [34:34]
Friend 5
Other people who hung around in a totally different. In a totally different crowd or in a, you know, completely the opposite would still. I remember a guy on Facebook I commented, you know, a lot of times on his anniversary. Not a lot of times, but several times I have just commented on, you.
- [34:51]
Friend 1
Know.
- [34:53]
Friend 5
Missing him not being here and like, wonder what his life will be like, what mine will be, you know, as far as the intertwined or, you know, commenting on the things that he's missed out on. And one of the guys who would have been, quote, one of the quote, stoners, you know, back in who was my grade, he was like, he was such a great guy and I was happy to call him my friend. I mean that, you know, and it's not anybody that he hung out with. It's just people who knew him. Yeah, because that's just how he was.
- [35:22]
Anya Cain
Friend 1 remembered Scott as an average student, while others said he actually did well with academics.
- [35:28]
Friend 1
I think we're both middle of the.
- [35:29]
Friend 4
Pack.
- [35:32]
Friend 1
You know, we're high school kids trying to figure it all out. Right. I mean, is school important? Is it important? We loved our sports. We love, you know, that kind of thing. Hanging out on Fridays and going to get togethers and just normal 1980s high school stuff.
- [35:51]
Friend 4
Right.
- [35:53]
Kevin Greenlee
But he hung out with the kids who took school pretty seriously. By all accounts, he was very well liked.
- [35:58]
Anya Cain
Is it fair to say that he was popular with a lot of friends?
- [36:03]
Friend 5
Absolutely.
- [36:04]
Friend 3
Absolutely.
- [36:07]
Anya Cain
And was he like. How would you describe his social circle?
- [36:13]
Friend 3
Very clean cut, you know, would have been considered a popular student, you know, an athlete, good academics, you know, he. He hung around with, you know, kids that were of like minded, that were other athletic athletes after, you know, other academic students.
- [36:33]
Friend 5
He.
- [36:33]
Friend 3
He was, he was fine. I am retired from education and he, he was definitely one of those kids that was kind. It didn't matter what your social group was. He was kind to everyone.
- [36:50]
Anya Cain
He and his close friends would connect over music. Here's friend five again.
- [36:54]
Friend 5
He was always smiling. We'd always be driving around in the car listening to Billy Joel singing Glass Houses and stuff like that.
- [37:03]
Anya Cain
I gotta follow up on Billy Joel. So was he a Billy Joel fan?
- [37:06]
Friend 5
We listened to Billy Joel mostly. Gosh, I'm trying to think back.
- [37:09]
Friend 3
What.
- [37:10]
Friend 5
I don't know. We like Journey, Billy Joel. Just your typical late 70s, early 80s, you know, rock.
- [37:18]
Anya Cain
That's good stuff.
- [37:19]
Friend 5
Oh, yeah, the 80s are the best.
- [37:20]
Kevin Greenlee
Yeah.
- [37:21]
Friend 5
I mean, you know, it would have been the local, actually back then, it probably would have been wris out of Detroit, something similar to that.
- [37:29]
Kevin Greenlee
Friend too, remembered them listening to another big artist of the 1980s.
- [37:34]
Friend 2
I remember we got the Thriller, Michael Jack. And he got a new stereo in his room. And I remember we got this Thriller album. I do remember that.
- [37:48]
Friend 3
Yep.
- [37:48]
Friend 2
The first Michael Jackson.
- [37:51]
Friend 3
Yep.
- [37:51]
Friend 2
Thriller album. Pretty good album.
- [37:55]
Friend 3
Yep.
- [37:55]
Friend 2
I remember that. Yeah.
- [37:58]
Anya Cain
When Scott and friend two were dating, they would sometimes go to the beach.
- [38:03]
Friend 2
We were down at the beach one time sitting on the rocks and just got bunched with water. We just sat there. It was kind of fun.
- [38:10]
Friend 3
Yeah.
- [38:11]
Kevin Greenlee
We asked Scott's former girlfriend, who we call Friend 2, to share other memories she has of Scott.
- [38:17]
Friend 2
And remember he at one time had.
- [38:19]
Friend 3
A yellow.
- [38:22]
Friend 2
Bright yellow car. I don't remember if he still had that bright yellow car. And I had a black car. I had a painted rose on it. And then we broke up and we had the Wall Street Journal we had together. And it got delivered at my house. And you know, whenever I got to see him or whatever, I would drop it off. And then I just. We just canceled the subscription. I mean, we used to. He had a snowmobile, we used to go snowmobile. And I remember that there used to be a pool in that subdivision. We used to swim in the pool in the subdivision, play basketball. So his mom had precious moments. I remember breaking the precious moments because we were running around the house and.
- [39:07]
Friend 5
Broke a bunch of precious moments.
- [39:10]
Friend 2
So they were collectibles. He came out to, I mean, at the farm all the time. He was always out at the farm. My mom and dad.
- [39:19]
Anya Cain
Scott wasn't just close with friend 2 as a friend and later girlfriend, he was also close with her family. In fact, her father was one of his personal heroes.
- [39:27]
Friend 1
Well, I'll tell you that one of Scott's prior girlfriends, I had talked to him recently and. And one of Scott's heroes was a man who's paralyzed from what he's found and still runs farm up in Croswell. And it, you know, got to be getting up in the 70s and 80s, goes from wheelchair to tractor and back and forth. And that was when Scott's heroes.
- [39:59]
Friend 2
We had to pretty much stay around on the farm. My dad was handicapped, so I was pretty much raised on the farm. We were. We had to do our chores before we could do anything.
- [40:09]
Friend 3
So.
- [40:10]
Friend 2
And Scott was very helpful with my parents and my dad.
- [40:15]
Kevin Greenlee
So what was Scott's relationship like with your parents?
- [40:20]
Friend 2
Very good. After we broke up, he even brought Crystal out to my parents so they could meet her. So yeah, he looked up to my parents. I think when he went to college and one of the papers he had to write about his hero. I think one of the papers was about my dad. So he looked up my dad. My dad has been in a wheelchair right now for 61 years and he has farmed 500 acres in a wheelchair. So he always thought my dad was a zero. So he was always help from on the farm. Yes. Yep. He was just a very kind, considerate person.
- [41:03]
Kevin Greenlee
Friend 2 even recalled Scott volunteering to weed whack their farm at one point. His friends remembered him as helpful and compassionate. Here's friend one.
- [41:14]
Friend 1
Probably one of the most genuine people you'll ever meet. Thoughtful, caring, not gregarious whatsoever. He was a pretty mild mannered guy. I mean, passionate about playing golf and basketball and his Friends and his family. He wasn't gregarious and he wasn't meek. I mean, he was, you know, just a, just an all around good guy. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody that would have a unkind word to say about Scott first to reach out and help people. Just a kind.
- [41:52]
Anya Cain
And here's friend two.
- [41:53]
Friend 2
He was an honest, honest person.
- [41:56]
Friend 3
Honest?
- [41:57]
Friend 2
Yeah, he was just a very time considerate person. I mean, he was so helpful. He was just so very helpful. And I just, I don't know how this could all be turned around like that. I really don't understand this.
- [42:17]
Kevin Greenlee
Here's friend three.
- [42:19]
Friend 3
Very kind, very friendly, very easygoing. You know, he was a friend that you always looked up to. He was a very kind man. Kid, man. As he grew up, you know, I remembered him to be a good student. You know, he always was completing his assignments and his schoolwork. But he was also an athlete. He, he was well liked, was on like the homecoming court. Very, you know, friendly, kind, considerate kid. Well rounded.
- [42:52]
Anya Cain
When you talk about him being kind and considerate, like what are some examples of that? Like how would his behavior kind of reflect that?
- [42:58]
Friend 3
He always had a smile on his face. He always greeted you if you were, had anything that you were discussed. He was a good listener and you know, he was somebody you could always count on, you know, to be there.
- [43:11]
Anya Cain
Was he like a loud, gregarious type? Was he soft spoken?
- [43:15]
Friend 3
Yep, more soft spoken, more. You know, he was confident, but he was soft spoken. He was not boisterous. There was nothing outrageous about here's friend five.
- [43:27]
Friend 5
Oh my gosh. He was so outgoing. He was very confident in himself. He was just, he was fun. He was a super nice guy.
- [43:36]
Kevin Greenlee
Here's friend four.
- [43:38]
Friend 4
Very charismatic, very athletic. I remember him being like a very good student. And it always seemed, you know, that Scott came from a good home.
- [43:49]
Anya Cain
One thing about Scott that everyone picked up on was he loved his family and they loved him. He was very close to them. So we asked his friends what his parents, Gary and Pat Macklem, were like. Here's friend four who wasn't as close to Scott or the Macklems.
- [44:05]
Friend 4
You know, his father was a state farm insurance agent, I believe, and he was the mayor. And you know, they had a nice house. His mom was involved in a lot of different community events and whatnot. Seemed like they were a really close family. You know, the dad, Gary, just always was nice to just about everybody from what I remember. But I remember that they were just good people.
- [44:27]
Friend 1
That's what I do Remember, here's friend.
- [44:29]
Kevin Greenlee
Two on the Macklems.
- [44:31]
Friend 2
Wonderful people. Wonderful people.
- [44:35]
Friend 3
Yep.
- [44:36]
Friend 2
Very nice, Very nice people. Yeah, they do anything for you.
- [44:43]
Anya Cain
Here's friend 5, who spent a lot of time with the Macklems.
- [44:46]
Friend 5
Oh, very nice. Very nice. His dad was a local insurance salesman. Very, very, very nice people. Like I said, his mom graduated with my mom in high school.
- [44:58]
Friend 3
So I mean, they.
- [44:59]
Friend 5
They in the same town. I mean, right here in Croswell. She would get aggravated with me sometimes because I was the one to probably try to lead him astray or get him to go somewhere that he shouldn't go or do something that he shouldn't do. And she'd be like, you know, oh, I just said my name.
- [45:15]
Anya Cain
Oh, well, we'll cut that out.
- [45:18]
Friend 5
Yeah, they were very, very nice people when he was younger. Like, they came to church with us. They didn't come all the time. You know, they weren't there all the time. But, you know, I would have. I was there all. You know, I was raised in the church. I was there every Sunday, every Thursday. And when I would have things going on with myf, which is like Methodist Youth fellowship, and we would have outings and things, and Scott would go with me. You know, he would be my. When you could bring a guest along or bring a buddy along, and I would take him to things like that and he would go with me.
- [45:51]
Anya Cain
Was he a believer? Even into like things like high school or whatnot? Was he a churchgoer then or.
- [45:56]
Friend 5
I don't believe that he was in church a lot then, but I mean, I know he was a believer.
- [46:00]
Friend 3
Yeah.
- [46:01]
Kevin Greenlee
Here's friend one. You talk about Pat and Gary. What was Scott's upbringing with them like?
- [46:08]
Friend 1
Very structured, very, you know, he had his chores list to do. I thought, you know, times where he maybe got into a little bit of trouble with Pat and Gary for not having done something. He was supposed to have done a chore here or there, but it was all, you know, typical family stuff.
- [46:28]
Anya Cain
Friend 1 is still very close with the Macklems.
- [46:31]
Friend 1
You know, I'd spent the night over at his house a couple different times without revealing too much about my background. And I'd go do chores with them, right? He'd go over to his grandma's house and be cows, go cut neighbors grass. He tended to the. The local homeowners association pool. It's like, go help, help do that kind of stuff, right? And Pat. Pat and Gary became almost my. They became almost my second family because I. I suffered some losses in my life, right? My mom when I was 8 years old and my own situation wasn't the best, and so that was a safe haven for me.
- [47:16]
Anya Cain
What was his family like? You mentioned them being very special to you. What sort of traits or memories stand out to you as far as his family goes?
- [47:26]
Friend 1
Well, Gary always reminded me of Johnny Kirson, so that the general public has that. And he was always quick with a. With a, you know, a little joke here and there. And he had, you know, a nickname that he referred to me by, and it still holds today, I can tell you that.
- [47:46]
Kevin Greenlee
So Scott was a handsome student athlete with a lot of friends, a great family, a kind heart, and a sharp style. Unsurprisingly, he was pretty popular with girls, and not just as a boyfriend. Scott was friends with lots of girls in high school, and that carried on into his young adulthood. Here's friend one.
- [48:09]
Anya Cain
Did Scott. Have you mentioned these kind of other ex girlfriends? Did he. He got. He got along with girls and ladies and sort of dated them. Like all that was normal.
- [48:21]
Friend 1
Oh, my God, yeah.
- [48:24]
Anya Cain
Did girls like Scott?
- [48:27]
Friend 1
Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, he was a kind of a. He was a charismatic guy without being loud and obnoxious and stupid and.
- [48:40]
Friend 5
And.
- [48:42]
Friend 1
You know, he. He treated people right.
- [48:45]
Friend 4
Right.
- [48:45]
Friend 1
That's why he's the kind of kid that every mother would wish.
- [48:50]
Anya Cain
Here's friend five.
- [48:52]
Friend 5
I always said when I was older, I have three sons, I said, if I had ever had a daughter, Scott is exactly the kind of guy I would have wanted her to bring home to meet me. Exactly. You know, exactly who I would have wanted a daughter to marry.
- [49:08]
Kevin Greenlee
Here's friend three.
- [49:10]
Anya Cain
What was his reputation with girls like as a boyfriend?
- [49:14]
Friend 3
Good. Yeah. Never, you know, he was ever my boyfriend, but he was always a friend. And he never. Any of the girls that he dated, they. It was never anything bad. Like, even when they broke up, there was nothing. They were still friends.
- [49:32]
Anya Cain
So he was kind of. He was a. He was a gentleman.
- [49:34]
Friend 3
Yep. Yep.
- [49:36]
Anya Cain
All of that is backed up by friend two, who of course dated Scott. She told us he was a respectful and thoughtful boyfriend. After they broke up, she ultimately got married to someone else. But after the natural awkwardness that follows a breakup, things were amicable between them.
- [49:51]
Friend 2
After I got married and I had a child, I would see him at the George Ennis, the clothing store. I would say hi to him and everything. So, I mean, our relationship, you know, no problem. We did have college classes together, but apparently I wasn't the college girl, so I didn't stay in college. He did.
- [50:13]
Friend 3
But we took Classes together as well. But like I said, I didn't stay.
- [50:17]
Friend 2
In, but he did.
- [50:19]
Kevin Greenlee
After graduating, friend 5 attended a different college in Michigan. Although she would visit home on the weekends and hang out with Scott and their friend group. Friend four left Michigan for Ohio. But friend two wasn't the only one to attend St. Clair Community College with Scott. Friend one did as well.
- [50:37]
Anya Cain
So you guys were all attending the Port Huron college together?
- [50:42]
Friend 1
Yeah, but. And this is where stuff gets really hard for me is we had ride shared a couple times both with him and with Crystal and the three of us together at one point. But I only went to the college for a semester before I withdrew and I joined the service. And in January of 1980s, that.
- [51:05]
Kevin Greenlee
Okay.
- [51:10]
Friend 1
And again, I think it's God's intervention in some way that wasn't with them that day.
- [51:22]
Anya Cain
According to friend 2, Scott applied for some business courses in college. He had the option of pursuing his father's line of work and going into insurance. She said that was something his family talked about. But as a recent high school graduate attending community college, Scott had plenty of time to figure things out. He did not necessarily know what exactly he was going to do next. Friend 1 ultimately left college and departed Michigan altogether. That still sticks with him. Did he have like an idea of what he wanted to do in terms of his life or a career or anything like that?
- [51:52]
Friend 1
I think he was still.
- [51:55]
Friend 3
Kind of.
- [51:55]
Friend 1
Figuring it all out like the rest of us, he and I and Crystal did in late 85. Did, you know, a little bit of ride, sharing back and forth to college and stuff and, and yeah, we were all just kind of still figuring it out. Not sure what classes to take, you know, what do I want to be when I grow up kind of thing. And I don't know that he, he had it all nailed down or, or anything. And I don't even know that I, I, you know, I don't know. I don't know what, where his mind was with, you know, perhaps going into the insurance agency with his dad or, or any of that. We didn't really get into career. I did go and see him a couple times and he's at George Ennis just to say hi, because I knew he was working up there in Fort Huron either high or by when I was getting ready to leave.
- [52:45]
Anya Cain
But friend one mentions Crystal there. Of course, Crystal and Scott are at the center of this whole story. Scott and Crystal have been friends since kindergarten. They started dating after they graduated from high school. Their friends remember it starting probably around the summer of 1980.
- [52:59]
Friend 3
4.
- [53:00]
Anya Cain
Then they broke up in the early months of 1986. Later, probably around the spring of 1986, is when Crystal met Kenzu. She left Kenzo after a few short weeks. Remember, this was more of a hostage situation than a dating experience filled with abuse and threats and stalking. That summer, Crystal and Scott got back together, which is when Kenzou began targeting them. Friend 3 got to see Scott and Crystal's relationship up close.
- [53:25]
Friend 3
Him and Crystal would come into the jewelry store, which I was working at at the time, and, you know, just visit and socialize and try and, you know, rings that were too expensive.
- [53:37]
Friend 2
Necklaces.
- [53:37]
Friend 3
That were too much money and, you know, but it was fun, you know, playing and socializing and catching up that way.
- [53:44]
Anya Cain
Did he get a ring for her for the engagement at your place?
- [53:48]
Friend 3
I don't believe so. I do not believe so. It was just a place that we would catch up. Because like you said, after high school, you know, when that bubble is over and everyone's moving in their new direction and I was dating my husband now that I, you know, I still am married, but I was dating my husband at the time. And so you're doing different things. And so that was a nice place where other friends from high school would come in or that they worked at the store too, and we could catch up.
- [54:21]
Kevin Greenlee
Friend 3 felt that the relationship between Crystal and Scott seemed respectful and happy. Friend 1 Got to hang out with Scott and Crystal while they were all attending college together.
- [54:32]
Friend 1
It was a normal dating relationship.
- [54:34]
Friend 4
Right?
- [54:35]
Anya Cain
Right.
- [54:37]
Friend 1
And I'll let it be known I love the both of them. Crystal's one of the most talented, strong people I know.
- [54:45]
Anya Cain
And Friend five, who is closer to Scott than to Crystal, also had something to say about the couple's relationship.
- [54:52]
Friend 5
I know they had a good relationship, and then I know everything was fine until what's his name came along.
- [54:59]
Kevin Greenlee
Friend 5 was also aware of Scott's feelings about another big development in his life.
- [55:05]
Friend 5
I just remember running into him and him telling me that he's going to be a dad, you know, and being very excited about it.
- [55:12]
Anya Cain
Unfortunately, Scott's friends weren't the only ones to find out about his impending fatherhood. On Devil's Night, October 30, 1986, Temujin Kenzu went to a party where Crystal's pregnancy and her engagement to Scott was a topic of discussion. Because of Kenzu's warped ideas, his possessiveness of women, his. His violence, his anger, and his creepy views toward his own children, he likely believed the child must be his and decided to Kill Scott that night to keep another man from raising the baby he falsely thought was his own.
- [55:45]
Kevin Greenlee
On November 5, 1986, Temujin Kinsey shot Scott dead in the parking lot of St. Clair Community College. That horrible news spread fast amongst Scott's friends. Here's friend five.
- [56:00]
Friend 5
My mom called me. I was in my kitchen at school getting ready to make dinner, and my mom called me and she was like, I gotta tell you something. And I'm like, what? And I'm like, what is wrong? And she said, scott got shot today. And I was just like, I still get goosebumps. I was just like, what? And I was like, no, no way.
- [56:30]
Friend 3
No way.
- [56:31]
Friend 5
You know, and is he going to be okay?
- [56:32]
Friend 2
And she's like, no, he didn't make it.
- [56:35]
Friend 5
And I was like, oh, that was. That was a hard night. I came home the next morning, I went to my class and told my professor that I had to go home.
- [56:49]
Anya Cain
Here's friend three. I'm wondering, how did you hear about what happened to him?
- [56:54]
Friend 3
I believe I was at the jewelry store and I was told there. I believe that's where I was at. I was not at the college I was at. I was at work.
- [57:08]
Anya Cain
Do you remember? I mean, what was your reaction?
- [57:10]
Friend 3
I imagine that was really shocking disbelief, you know that. I mean, again, if you've been up in this area or even, you know, Croswell, Lexington, it's a small area. It's not like there's. It wasn't. This isn't an area where murders happen regularly. This isn't an area where, you know, you would see that. And again, it was Scott McLem. Like, it wasn't somebody who was doing anything. It was just such a random act of violence.
- [57:42]
Friend 5
Like, because you didn't.
- [57:44]
Friend 3
Like, nobody had any ill will towards Scott Macklem. So why would he be your victim? Why would he. Why would he be the one who was being killed? It didn't make any sense to any of us.
- [57:56]
Kevin Greenlee
Here's friend four.
- [57:58]
Friend 4
And I got the call when the murder happened, you know, I mean, I came back from Toledo for the funeral, but I remember the funeral. I remember this being hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people to funeral that day. And I remember that he was still on the loose at that time, you know, so it was very, very tense. Remember that? Yeah, I remember the call about the funeral and murder.
- [58:25]
Anya Cain
Tell us about that. What was that like?
- [58:28]
Friend 4
Oh, just complete shock, you know what I mean? Even to this day, I don't even.
- [58:32]
Friend 1
Remember, you know, partly because it was 40 years ago, partly because you Know.
- [58:36]
Friend 4
When you get a call like that, you know, you only get so many of those in life, you know, where you just can't believe what you're hearing, you know, point blank, really, you know what I mean? In the parking lot with a phone gauge. That's just that, like you said, that's. That's something that you should never. That's animalistic.
- [59:00]
Friend 1
That's.
- [59:01]
Friend 4
That's horrific, you know, I mean, that's. That human beings aren't supposed to do that to each other. You know what I mean? Like that to plan that, you know, wasn't. It wasn't just a heated moment, you know what I mean?
- [59:17]
Anya Cain
Friend one, who was serving in the military at that time, received a letter about his friend's murder. Do you remember what your reaction was when you heard this horrible news?
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Friend 1
Yeah, it kind of spiraled out of. Out of control for a while.
- [59:33]
Kevin Greenlee
Friend One told us it was a blessing that he was constrained by the service at the time.
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Friend 1
Again, I do believe God put me in certain circumstances that led me to be out of the state when that happened. And. And because I don't know if I would have been with them or not, I don't know. But I know that I may have sought revenge and retaliation. And so God putting me on the other side of the country at the time in a situation that I couldn't get out of was God's grace, I think, at work. I only wish it was there for him.
- [60:11]
Anya Cain
For those who knew him, Scott's sudden, violent death is a palpable tragedy nearly 40 years later. In our next episode, which will air on the anniversary of Scott's death, we will get into how media bias, a calculated campaign of misinformation and disinformation and more has compounded this collective trauma. But for now, we will say this. People still remember Scott. He is not forgotten. Here's Friend five.
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Friend 5
You know, and I just. I think about him and I just think of all the, you know, I wonder, you know, just all the stuff that he missed out on, you know, all the. All the family things and. You know what I mean?
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Friend 3
Yeah.
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Friend 5
You know, a lot of living that we all got to do that he.
- [61:01]
Friend 2
Didn'T get to do.
- [61:04]
Friend 5
He was a very special guy.
- [61:05]
Friend 3
Yep, he was.
- [61:07]
Kevin Greenlee
For Scott's friends, talking about Scott's death is difficult. It's still so raw. Here's Friend one.
- [61:16]
Anya Cain
I'm so sorry. It sounds like he meant so much to you.
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Friend 1
He did. Again, I'm not the soul soldier. Right. But. And I think there's that level of connection that's got a lot of. A lot of people that I still bump into people once in a while and we'll share memories of them and talk about what a tragic, tragic loss it is.
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Anya Cain
Friend 1 thinks a lot about what Crystal has gone through and what the child she shares with Scott has gone through.
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Friend 1
Following this, she's been able to pull herself back together and try to have some semblance of a life.
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Friend 5
And.
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Friend 1
I think her son, Scott's son, has a large part in that and that she had to be strong for him and continues to be.
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Kevin Greenlee
Friend 1 also stays in touch with Scott's parents, Gary and Pat.
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Friend 1
And I've thought about this a lot over the years, right. That I think God put Pat and Gary Macklin in my life for a reason. And. And we've talked about that at times, and I can't take them enough for having done so. God put them in my life. Okay. In recent years, I've run into them in the absolutely most inconceivable spot on Earth. I'll be 50 miles away from home, and I stopped into a men's store to grab a shirt, and I walked in and bumped into at Gary, who are also 50 or 60 miles away from their home for no reason. Right. And we stand and we talk in that men's warehouse store for an hour. That's enough. God seems to know when I need him. And I think it goes both ways, you see?
- [63:24]
Friend 3
It goes both ways.
- [63:25]
Anya Cain
Do you think you're kind of as someone who's Scott's peer and friend, a connection to him for them?
- [63:33]
Friend 1
Yeah, amongst several others.
- [63:37]
Friend 3
Right.
- [63:38]
Friend 1
Don't count me as the sole soldier here. I mean, there's an annual golf outing up in Lexington and people show. Show out for that every year. Right. They don't do that for somebody that's not beloved and cared about and miss.
- [63:54]
Anya Cain
But friend one even managed to include Scott in a major life milestone of his.
- [64:01]
Friend 1
I had him as my best man in my wedding. Even after he passed, my brother was kind enough to stand in for him. And we all wore pins of them and had Pat and Gary there to know that we stole. Think about him. You care about him. You know, how far down memory road do you go? How many memories can you pull out? I had a car accident too, where I had injuries. So despite all of that, Scott's beautiful memories still seem to shine through that. So that's good. Where I've lost others, I still remember what kind indecent human being he was.
- [64:44]
Kevin Greenlee
Scott's friends remain haunted by the memories of his vicious, sudden death. By all that has happened since. By the idea that Scott's killer continues to harm others from behind bars. And the thought of him possibly getting out.
- [65:02]
Anya Cain
Here's what we want you to take away from this. People still love Scott. They mourn the friend they lost. They wonder what he would be doing now. They think about what might have been had Temujin Kenzu not made a selfish and evil choice. It's haunting. It's painful. But it's also a testament to the love that Scott gave and received in his 20 years on this planet. Here's friend five.
- [65:29]
Friend 5
Yeah, it's still hard. I mean, I still dream about him.
- [65:32]
Friend 3
I still.
- [65:33]
Friend 5
I still miss him. I still, you know.
- [65:36]
Friend 2
Yeah.
- [65:38]
Friend 3
Yeah.
- [65:41]
Anya Cain
You mentioned earlier that you still have dreams about Scott. Can you tell me about that?
- [65:46]
Friend 3
Yep.
- [65:47]
Friend 5
I just had one. I just had one week before last.
- [65:51]
Friend 3
Two weeks ago.
- [65:53]
Friend 5
Yep. They're usually always the same for the same concept. I'm somewhere and look across the room or look down the road or look something, whatever, and. And he's there. Still looks exactly the same because he would, you know, he's always got a big smile on my face and he's always like, hey.
- [66:13]
Friend 3
And I always.
- [66:14]
Friend 5
I run up to him and throw my arms around him and give him a big hug and tell him how happy I am to see him and how much I've missed him. And so I just kind of call it my. I don't know. He comes and visits me, I guess.
- [66:32]
Anya Cain
I'm so sorry for your loss.
- [66:35]
Kevin Greenlee
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- [66:55]
Anya Cain
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Kevin Greenlee
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- [67:28]
Anya Cain
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