The Murder of Scott Macklem: The Guilt of Temujin Kensu: Who Scott Wasn't

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Episode: The Murder of Scott Macklem: The Guilt of Temujin Kensu – Who Scott Wasn't

Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee

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Overview

This episode is a direct response to rumors and character attacks that have long circulated about the victim, Scott Macklem, in the murder case for which Temujin Kensu (formerly Fred Freeman) was convicted. Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee, drawing on both original reporting and exclusive interviews with Scott’s friends, thoroughly dismantle the popular "alternate theories" that not only cast doubt on Kensu’s guilt but also malign Scott's character and the loved ones who survived him. The aim: to clarify who Scott Macklem was not—contrary to the narrative promoted by Kensu’s supporters—and to reinforce the evidence supporting Kensu’s guilt.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Responding to Victim-Smearing Narratives

Timestamps: 03:14 – 07:36

• The hosts highlight the range of theories propagated by Kensu’s supporters (dubbed "Team Kensu"), including claims that Scott was involved in drugs, had enemies, or was otherwise not an upstanding person.
• Áine Cain:

  "All of these lies are told and spread by Team Kensu in a desperate attempt to find a reason for someone other than Kensu to have murdered Scott." (04:04)

• The hosts’ stance: if credible evidence painted Scott in a negative light, it should be acknowledged—but such evidence simply does not exist.

2. Who Scott Was, According to Those Who Knew Him

Timestamps: 08:42 – 19:37

• The episode features five of Scott's friends, interviewed anonymously for their safety due to harassment from Kensu's supporters.
• Each friend, including former romantic partners, emphatically reject claims of Scott's drug use or dealing:
  • Friend 2:

    "He was a basketball player, a golf player, a baseball player...very star athlete...not at all [involved with drugs]." (12:00)

  • Friend 5:

    "He didn't smoke pot, he didn't smoke cigarettes. He was just a really, really good guy." (14:11)

  • Friend 1:

    "Scott never touched a drug in our many years together...absolutely full of shit." (14:34)

3. The Persistent ‘Drug Theory’ Debunked

Timestamps: 19:37 – 25:06

• The hosts reiterate that every friend, on and off the record, rubbished the drug narrative as incompatible with Scott's values and character.
• Áine makes it clear:

  "Doing drugs does not make a murder victim unworthy of sympathy...but the 'drug deal gone wrong' theory is directly relevant and false." (12:20)

• The Canadian money in Scott's possession, often cited as evidence for cross-border drug dealing, is explained as routine in this border community where young people routinely visited Canada for legal drinking and dining:
  • Friend 5:

    "We all have Canadian money in our car...It's right across the river." (27:25)

4. Addressing Other Rumors: Enemies, Parking, and Rape

Timestamps: 31:19 – 47:54

• Scott’s parking choice on the day of the murder: Not suspicious, as students often parked in whatever lots were most convenient.
• Enemies and rumors of violent confrontations: Friends report Scott was universally liked and non-confrontational.
  • Friend 5:

    "Scott didn't have any enemies that I know of. None." (37:04)

  • Friend 2:

    "He was one of those guys you could just meet and start talking to." (37:14)

• Rumor that Scott raped a woman: Introduced by Kensu’s wife Paula online, but no evidence is ever provided. Friends, especially those who dated Scott, were disgusted and clear that Scott was nothing like that.
  • Friend 2 (who dated him):

    "That's not...Scott never did [any of] those terrible things." (41:51)

5. The Reality of the Threat: Stalking by Temujin Kensu

Timestamps: 43:45 – 54:45

• The genuine threat to Scott was Kensu himself, who meticulously stalked Scott and his loved ones for months after his breakup with Crystal (Scott’s fiancée).
• Friends confirm Crystal's character and the fact that she did not have complicated or abusive past relationships, rebuffing rumors designed to undermine her credibility.

6. Attacks on Scott’s Family and the Small-Town Conspiracy Myth

Timestamps: 55:32 – 63:51

• Repeated attempts to cast Scott’s father (Croswell’s mayor) as a local kingpin capable of orchestrating a frame job are refuted by friends:
  • Friend 5:

    "Our town...has one blink...population of maybe 2,400 people...so far from a political powerhouse, it's not even funny." (58:31)

  • The idea that the local prosecutor, Robert Cleland, would risk everything to please a minor town mayor is described as absurd.

7. The Emotional Toll on Survivors

Timestamps: 64:14 – 80:43

• Friends and family have suffered ongoing distress as these rumors resurface and gain traction, fueled by journalists, online sleuths, and Team Kensu’s campaigns.
  • Friend 2:

    "It's upsetting. It's heart-wrenching after all these years...I know that person...and that's not that person." (71:20)

  • Friend 1:

    "...almost ruined my weekend...how do you get to folks that are delusional, that are following a delusional illusion?" (79:07)

8. The Truth Will Out—and the Importance of Telling It

Timestamps: 80:59 – 93:44

• The hosts believe truth-telling matters, even if some remain entrenched in denial.
  • Áine:

    "We think the truth does change people's minds...The past is past. People didn't have the full story before...But going forward, shame on anyone who continues to spread these falsehoods." (83:31) & (85:47)

• Scott’s friends, formerly silent, speak now in hopes of finally restoring his memory and dignity.

9. Comparing Scott to His Killer

Timestamps: 86:39 – End

• The hosts draw personal—and at times pointed—contrasts between Scott’s goodness and Kensu’s manipulative, violent, and perennially self-aggrandizing behavior.
  • Áine:

    "Scott was everything Kenzu wasn't, everything Kenzu will never be." (86:46)

  • Kevin:

    "Scott was capable of love, compassion, and empathy. Feelings likely unfamiliar to someone like Temujin Kenzu." (89:44)

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Notable Quotes/Memorable Moments

• Kevin Greenlee:
  "That is a profoundly stupid argument." (05:18)
• Áine Cain:
  "Team Kenzu has nothing but innuendo and conjecture. And that is despite decades of work...They have tried desperately to dig up dirt on Scott. They have failed because he was a normal guy, a good person..." (06:54)
• Áine Cain:
  "For Team Kenzie on the Scott dealing or using drugs theory, put up or stop talking about it. If someone has evidence...bring it out...If you don't have anything, then shut the fuck up about it." (35:49)
• Friend 5:
  "His dad was the mayor of a—I’m not even sure how much our mayors get paid—but…the mayor wasn’t his, you know, quote ‘job’...That whole avenue…that people try to put on…to make it look like that guy was framed is…it’s really absurd." (58:31)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |----------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:14 | Introduction to victim-smearing rumors | | 11:03 | Deep dive into Scott's lifestyle and refuting drug rumors | | 25:06 | The 'Canadian money' red herring debunked | | 31:19 | Addressing rumors re: parking, enemies, and rape accusations | | 43:45 | Evidence of Kensu’s stalking and the real threat to Scott | | 55:32 | Dispelling conspiracy theories about local power/political cover-up | | 64:14 | The impact of rumors on the victim's family and loved ones | | 80:59 | The necessity and power of truth in confronting misinformation| | 86:39 | Host commentary comparing Scott and Kensu |

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Closing Tone

Throughout, the hosts remain unsparing, passionate, and fiercely protective of the facts. Their tone is both journalistic and emotionally engaged, particularly in their frustration with decades of misinformation and their empathy for those harmed by such narratives. The friends’ voices—sometimes pained, sometimes indignant—deliver a powerful collective rebuttal to the "alternate histories" created by Kensu supporters.

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Final Message

The hosts reiterate: the evidence against Kensu is robust; the attempts to rewrite Scott Macklem’s life are baseless and cruel. This episode seeks to shut down the rumor mill, restore Scott’s dignity, and serve as a testament to the steadfastness and love of those who remember the real victim. Their promise: they will always correct the record when misinformation about victims and their families arises in true crime.

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For listeners who have not heard the episode:
This summary encapsulates both the timeline and arguments presented, giving a clear sense of both the facts and the emotional impact behind this ongoing fight for truth and justice in the Scott Macklem case.

Transcript

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[Kevin Greenlee]

Warning this episode includes discussion of violence, rape and murder. It also contained some profanity People who.

[Anya Cain]

Support convicted killer Temujin Kenzou like to trash his victim, Scott Macklem. On November 5, 1986, Kenzou shot 20 year old Scott in the parking lot of the St. Clair Community College in Port Huron, Michigan.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Kenzou and his advocates, who we refer to as Team Kenzou, need to point away from him as the killer. So they say stuff like Scott must have been doing drugs or dealing drugs, or he must have had other enemies. Maybe a lot of enemies. Maybe Scott raped a woman and that was how he made enemies. Maybe his fiance and the mother of his child Crystal was bad or a liar or dated too many guys and maybe one of them snapped and killed Scott, or maybe she killed him, or maybe his family was sketchy and he got killed over something like that and his powerful relatives covered it up.

[Anya Cain]

All of this, all of these lies are told and spread by Team Kenzou in a desperate attempt to find a reason for someone other than Kenzu to have murdered Scott. Someone other than the obsessive rapist with a history of extreme violence who had repeatedly threatened to kill Scott.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Let's be clear. If evidence exists that paints a murder victim in an unflattering light, the that must be considered and taken seriously. The truth is paramount. So if a victim turns out to have been engaged in risky sex work or drug dealing or fraud or addiction or adultery, that must be brought to light.

[Anya Cain]

But let's take another look at that sentence. If evidence exists that paints a murder victim in an unflattering light, that must be considered and taken seriously.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We argue that the key word there is exists if evidence exists. To be blunt, such evidence does not seem to exist here. For nearly 40 years, Team Canzu has searched for evidence that would paint Scott in a bad light. They have found nothing, but that does not keep them quiet. They like to say that so little is known about Scott that they have no choice but to try to blacken his name with baseless speculation. Because who knows, maybe if they keep looking, they will eventually actually manage to fulfill their fantasy and find something terrible about Scott. I've said it on this program before, I'll say it again. That is a profoundly stupid argument. In any case, our episodes this week are about adding to the knowledge base about Scott. Team Kinzu now has more of an informed choice when it comes to Scott's memory. If they continue to decide to smear his name in the service of trying to free the man who killed him, then shame on all of them.

[Anya Cain]

With all of that said, we just want to say we don't blame Kenzo's supporters for initially believing the various fictions about Scott. The key word being initially. See, Team Kenzu has proudly pushed this nonsense for years.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And again, we do not blame anyone who took this seriously the first go around. Perhaps it is a good lesson to be skeptical and ask for specifics to push people who are making it their mission to go and set the narrative about a case. Perhaps we all have a responsibility to do that in the true crime space.

[Anya Cain]

But after Team Kenzoo defense investigator Herb Wellser failed to provide us evidence of Scott's alleged drug user connections after Kenzoo's wife Paula was revealed to be engaging in a campaign of harassment against people in this case, then that should have changed the conversation.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It should have been a wake up call. You see, the attacks on Scott are mirages. You run to the water and find only sand. Team Kinzu has nothing but innuendo and conjecture. And that is despite decades of work on the part of Team Kinzu. They have tried desperately to dig up dirt on Scott. They have failed because he was a normal guy, a good person, a man who actually respected and cared for women and a kid just starting out in life. He was going to be a terrific father and live a very nice life. This stands in stark contrast to the existence of Temujin Kinzu.

[Anya Cain]

My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

[Anya Cain]

And this is the Murder Sheet.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews and deep dives into murder cases. We're the Murder Sheet.

[Anya Cain]

And this is the murder of Scott Macklem. The guilt of Temujin Kenzu. Who? Scott wasn't.

[Friend 4]

It?

[Anya Cain]

Of course, we never knew Scott. We therefore can't exactly say what he was like. We never met him, but his friends certainly can. Like we did in yesterday's episode. Today we will hear from five friends of Scott's behind the scenes. We heard from more than these five, but these were the ones willing to lend their voices to this episode. We are going to refer to these friends numerically in the order we interviewed them so they will be friend 1, friend 2, friend 3, friend 4 and friend 5.

[Kevin Greenlee]

The reason we are concealing their names again, to be blunt, is because of the atrocious behavior of Team Kinzu. Kenzou, his current wife Paula and their many acolytes online have a history of harassing anyone and everyone in this case, including Macklem's loved ones. That is one of the many techniques they use to silence those with the power to harm their fraudulent innocence narrative. We seek to protect our sources so we are keeping them anonymous, but we have confirmed independently that each of them knew Scott. So let's get started. I'm going to read a comment on a Facebook post and this comment is from an account labeled Temujin Kenzu. Scott was selling drugs and his own father knew about it and tried covering it up. His father was the mayor of Croswell and the supporter of the prosecutor in this case. He was running for Attorney General at the time of this trial. Instead of looking for the real killer and exposing Scott's drug use, they framed Temujin who was a drifter, nobody who did not have a spotless past, but he is not a murderer. End quote. In another comment he says let's stop pretending Scott was some kind of a saint.

[Anya Cain]

This Kenzu account goes on to mock a woman for saying Scott was clean cut, claiming that Scott was friends with a man that he implies was into drugs or something. The man he actually went out and named has the first name that starts the letter T. Keep that in mind for later.

[Kevin Greenlee]

This is far from the only time that Kinzu or his followers threw this nonsense out there. Anonymous account posted something similar on the Michigan subreddit a year ago and so did an account called Paula Kinzu on websleuths at the start of 2025.

[Anya Cain]

We will get into the Macklem family angle later. For now, let's just focus on the drug allegations. The big question is, was Scott really involved in illegal drugs in any capacity?

[Kevin Greenlee]

In our previous episode, the murder of Scott, the guilt of Temujin Kinzu, who Scott was, we did a deep dive into Scott's personality, interests and what he did in his all too short life.

[Anya Cain]

A few key themes emerged. One was that Scott was a very honest and upstanding person in his community. He was also an athlete and a young man who took his own health very seriously. He wanted to excel on the basketball court and on the baseball diamond and on the golf course. Now, let's be clear. Some student athletes do drugs. But according to everyone we've spoken to on and off the record, who knew Scott, he did not.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Again, according to every single friend we talked to, he wasn't just not regularly doing drugs. He wasn't even interested in them. He wasn't experimenting, he didn't try them. He might drink a beer at a high school party, but that wasn't even a frequent occurrence. Here's friend two who dated Scott. Did you ever know Scott to have any involvement with drugs?

[Friend 2]

No. He was a basketball player, a golf player, a baseball player? No, not at all. No. Very star athlete. He always was a starter in the basketball, always starter in baseball. He was very.

[Friend 5]

Yeah.

[Anya Cain]

Now, please note, we are not saying that doing drugs makes a murder victim unworthy of sympathy. The reason why it's so important to address this topic in this case is because Team Kenzu has been spreading the so called theory that Scott was gunned down as part of some kind of drug deal gone wrong. Scott being involved in a drug deal gone wrong would mean that he was either using drugs or involved in selling or purchasing drugs. So whether or not Scott was involved in drugs is directly relevant to this discussion of the case.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So we asked all of Scott's friends, all those who spoke to us for the show and all those who wanted to keep their talks on deep background. We asked them if Scott did or dealt drugs. To be blunt, they all said that the idea of Scott being involved in drugs is nonsense. That is according to every single person we spoke with who knew him. He was not someone who was remotely involved with drugs. The concept was laughable to most of these folks. Here's friend 5, who knew Scott from.

[Friend 5]

Childhood on and he was a good kid. If anybody was, it was me who was probably the one trying to instigate him to, you know, I had older siblings. So, you know, I would be the one that would be like, you know, hey, I got us a couple of beers, you know, and I would be the one that would want to be the one to, hey, let's have a couple beers. And he would be the one to be like, no, I'm not, you know, you know, that's going to get me in trouble, you know, so if any, you know, he was exactly, he was exactly the opposite of the person who would be doing drugs, who would be. Scott was very Very self conscious of himself, of how he carried himself, of how he handled himself, of how he looked. He was very healthy, you know what I mean? That kind of atmosphere and the drugs and like he didn't smoke pot.

[Friend 2]

I didn't either.

[Friend 5]

I didn't like it. He didn't smoke pot, he didn't smoke cigarettes. He just, he was just a really, really good guy.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Here's friend one, I wanted to ask you. Another thing that often gets said about Scott with absolutely no evidence as far as I'm concerned, is that he was a drug dealer. Did you know? Yeah. Can you talk?

[Friend 1]

Absolutely full of shit. Scott never touched a drug in our many years together. Never went around them. And you'd have to, if we go back to the 80s in our school, there was a very much a, a dynamic between those, call them potheads and those athletes and those normal students. Right to the point where, you know, back in 82 there was supposed to be some big brawl between athletes and burnouts, as they call them, at a local park. Right. Scott never took part in any of that on either side. Why? Because it was juvenile. And although we were juvenile, it was like, yeah, okay, whatever. Scott got along with folks on both sides of that spectrum. But that's not to say that he was out doing drugs with people that may be smoking marijuana at the time and stuff like that. And that was the biggest thing, if there was anything, I think that over labeled burnouts was that they were smoking marijuana maybe ahead of their time. Right. Who knows? But we weren't the long arm of the law and it was nothing that we, he and I ever got wrapped up in either way. Now that. Did he and I have a beer every once in a while in high school? Yes, we did. Because you're in high school, Right. Went to parties off came out campus on Friday night.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Here's friend three who was friends with Scott and Crystal for years. She worked at her family's jewelry store and the three would hang out there sometimes with friends.

[Anya Cain]

Was Scott a drug dealer?

[Friend 2]

No.

[Anya Cain]

Did Scott do drugs?

[Friend 2]

Not that I am aware of at all. Ever. I never saw that.

[Anya Cain]

Was Scott the kind of guy that you feel would be into drugs?

[Friend 5]

Nope.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And you say you used to be an educator before you retired. So I imagine you have a lot of experience with young people. Could probably have some sort of an idea of who might look like they might be into drugs or who might behave like they might be into drugs and who might not.

[Friend 2]

Sure.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And Scott didn't fit any profile that you would have expected?

[Friend 2]

Absolutely not. And another point to that would be, again, I'm going to go back to the jewelry store. You know, we're around a lot of expensive jewelry and whatnot. And I never felt like.

[Friend 5]

That I.

[Friend 2]

Had to worry about him taking anything or like that wasn't, that wasn't his kit.

[Friend 5]

Like if somebody was doing seedy things.

[Friend 2]

He, that that was something that he, like he would not have ever done anything like that. Like I didn't ever worry about. I can only put one ring out at a time. You know what I mean? Like, I never worried about there being a problem if somebody was into drugs or in, or having money problems or. And he was not that person. He was a honest, kind person.

[Anya Cain]

Did he run around with people who did drugs?

[Friend 5]

Nope, not at all.

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[Kevin Greenlee]

But in our view, usually a dealer's peers are aware of who's selling, especially in such a small, close knit community like Croswell, Michigan. Scott's friends say they never heard of him selling drugs. They also say that the crowd he hung out with wasn't into drugs.

[Friend 1]

Here's friend 5 Now the people and.

[Friend 5]

The people that he hung out with in school, they were all the teachers favorite, the good kids, the kids that didn't get in trouble. You know, the kids that were involved in sports got good grades. I mean that, that is who he hung around with. I mean, he's a, he was a friend to everybody. You know, a lot of most people who knew him would be like, you know, they would all call him a friend. He was nice to everybody. But as far as who he hung out with, he hung out with what the kids who were maybe a little More wilder parties. He they would have described him as the goody two shoes. The teachers loved him, the principals loved him, the coaches loved him.

[Anya Cain]

Friend 5 racked her brain. Scott was nice to everyone in high school and beyond. As we went into in our previous episode, and that included the stoner clique. That was the closest thing she could come up with as far as Scott being connected to kids who were into pot.

[Kevin Greenlee]

In our previous conversation, friend 5 noted that kids who were stoners might have considered Scott a friend. He got along with different cliques, different groups. But being kind and friendly to stoners is not the same thing as being in a crowd of people doing drugs or selling drugs.

[Anya Cain]

So if Team Kenzu is to be believed, Scott somehow hid his drug use or his involvement in the drug trade from his peers. Throughout his young adulthood, his friends and girlfriends never noticed him getting high or mysteriously red eyed or silly or manic or lethargic or dealing with the after effects of a trip. He never tried to sell to any of his friends and word never got back to them in this very small community about him trying to sell to anyone else. I mean, come on.

[Kevin Greenlee]

To underscore Scott's aversion to things he deemed unhealthy, we should note that he wasn't even into cigarettes. He could be a bit militant about that, actually. Here's for N2.

[Friend 2]

I remember one time I had a cigarette and he took it out of my mouth and he said he crunched it on the floor. What are you doing? It's just for me to have a cigarette.

[Anya Cain]

For a long time, proponents of Kenzou have put out this Scott was killed in a drug deal theory, both in mainstream news outlets and anonymously on social media alike. We get it. Scott's murder was clearly a targeted one. They need there to be a reason for the killing that's unrelated to Kenzou. And drugs are easy. They're illicit, they're done and sold in secret. Oftentimes they're quite easy to speculate about. It's not like every drug addict or user is obvious about it. It's not as if drug dealers are opening shop fronts or running advertising campaigns. So it's easy to wave around drugs as a catch all motive for a murder. But that doesn't mean it's right. Hopefully now that we've brought forward friends of Scott, people who actually interacted with him and observed him in life, this theory can come to an end.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We cannot prove a negative. We cannot go back in a time machine and follow Scott around every day of his life, checking to see if he ever did or sold drugs. All we can do is interview people who are there and ask them questions. But we don't think it's intellectually honest to continue touting this theory when we now know that people who actually knew Scott say it is not true. And especially since we already knew that the people who are proponents of this theory have literally no evidence whatsoever to back it up. Now, before we move on from drugs, there's one more thing to talk about. Media reports have said Scott had Canadian money on him when he died.

[Anya Cain]

So let's talk about the Canadian currency reportedly found in Scott's pocket. As a reminder, Scott was attending St. Clair Community College in Port Huron, Michigan. Port Huron is connected to Point Edward, Ontario, Canada, through the Blue Water bridge.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We asked all of Scott's friends that we spoke with, how unusual was it for a student attending college in Port Huron to have Canadian money? Here's friend one. Another thing I hear sometimes is that he had some Canadian money in his car. Is that unusual for people who live so close to the border?

[Friend 1]

Canadian mine?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah.

[Friend 1]

Yeah. I mean, hell, yeah. Well, you guys, others may not understand that the drinking age In Canada is 19 years old and 21 in the States. So at the time we're at, I don't know, rite of passage or whatever you want to call it, if you were able to go over there, you go over and hang out at the local clubs and stuff. And so that he had some Canadian money in his prison. This joke, if it's trying to be pointed to it as anything other than that.

[Anya Cain]

Here's friend four, you know, just a.

[Friend 4]

Short ways from port here, and Sarnia is right there. And at the time, Sarnia was 19, was the drinking age. And we used to go across the bridge all the time on the weekends to some of the places in Canada for entertainment. Because it was 19. I said, we started going to. Again, Scott didn't go with us, but there was some of us that were going over there to the rock and roll bars in Canada when we were seniors in high school, because it was 19. You know what I mean?

[Friend 2]

Yeah.

[Friend 4]

And, you know, the customs agents, because so many kids were doing that, you know, everybody knew. And as long as you weren't, you know, out of line, they would let you right back in, no problem. You know what I mean? And like I said, it was very frequent for people in that area to go to Campbell street or some of the different places that were in Sarnia.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Point Edward is right next to the city of Sarnia. Here's friend 5. People say, oh, Scott had some Canadian money in his car. Isn't that suspicious?

[Friend 5]

We all have Canadian money in our car. Because the drinking age in Canada back then was 19 years old, and it's right across the bridge. And we all were in Canada every weekend. Every weekend I was in Canada because we could go over. Over there and go dancing and go to the bar, you know, we. We were all in Canada. We all have. I still have Canadian money in my truck. It's right across the river. You can be in Port Huron and jump on the bridge and I mean, if the traffic isn't bad, in one minute, you can be in another country. That's how ludicrous that statement is that, you know. And I know the comment was made about, oh, well, yeah, he had Canadian money. So he was going over there and he was a cocaine dealer, which is so, so beyond absurd. I mean, literally, the guy didn't smoke weed or cigarettes. And I promise you, he did not do cocaine, much less sell it. And yeah, the Canadian thing was we all did.

[Anya Cain]

And it wasn't just about the drinking age. There were sites to go to in Canada. Here's friend, too.

[Friend 2]

We used to go to a restaurant. I'm Canadian money. We used to go to a restaurant across.

[Friend 5]

Even for prom.

[Friend 2]

There was a restaurant across there that we would always go to the restaurant. So I can't remember the name of it, but we always go to a restaurant over there. So it was no big deal.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Here's friend four. Once again.

[Friend 4]

We went to prom in Canada. You used to go to dinner with the Canadian exchange rate used to be so high when I was a kid back then that you could go over there, you know, and have, you know, dinner and drinks and everything, and you wind up spending like 20 bucks. Because the exchange rate was, if you look into it was a lot different back then. Canada was really cool because there was like a different culture. There was a lot of girls, you know, there was Campbell street music and stuff. Some of that Canadian rock and roll was coming across already. We saw them there, you know, in clubs like that in the early 80s and stuff, you know, in the mid-80s.

[Anya Cain]

But here's friend five again, because even.

[Friend 5]

If we didn't go over there to go to the bars, they had the best Chinese restaurant. And we would go over to Canada just to go to the restaurant.

[Anya Cain]

We heard the exchange rate was pretty good at the time.

[Friend 2]

And the exchange.

[Friend 5]

Yes, and the Canadian. Yeah, our money was worth more than the Canadian money. So you went over there and you got, you know, a $30, a $35, a $40 backed for your $1. American. Yeah, because I kind of found that one funny because we all were in Canada, all of us, you know, every. You know, my siblings, you know me, the people I don't know. Scott, you know, I mean, that's just where. When we were younger, that's where we went.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Friend 3 sums it up for us pretty nicely.

[Anya Cain]

Can you explain why someone in Port Huron or this kind of area of Michigan might. Might have Canadian money in their car?

[Friend 2]

We border Canada. So that would be the reason that you would have Canadian money in your car. There is a bluewater international bridge that I worked on for a decade. And so you would. At 19 years old, you could go across to Canada and legally have a drink or if your restaurants. I'm also thinking, like, the restaurants over there, the gas over there was cheaper. In 1985, we would go over to Canada often.

[Anya Cain]

And here's trend four. Back again, once more for Scott to.

[Friend 4]

Have Canadian money living in port here. And that's not strange at all. Yeah, you know, everybody afford heron has Canadian money in their, you know, vehicle and in their car and their dresser.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And so we think we just solved the mystery of the Canadian currency caper. It's a big red herring. It's not weird for a guy going to school in Port Huron to have Canadian money on him. It doesn't mean he was part of some international drug deal. It's just very normal behavior for a person who lives on a border town.

[Anya Cain]

Next, let's address the issue of where Scott parked the day he died. Many have pointed out that he didn't have a pass for that lot, and it wasn't where he usually parked. But from talking with those who knew him, including people who went to college with him, it was not completely out of character for him to park where he parked the day of the murder. Now, technically, he had a pass for a different lot. He was not supposed to park there. But what we were told was that students would sneak into lots that they weren't supposed to park in. All the time passes for certain lots were more expensive than others. And there was also the convenience factor. People always wanted to park near where their classes were situated. In Scott's case, the lot he was killed in was far closer to his gym class. In addition, we must remember that Scott was being actively stalked by Temujin Kenzu, and he was aware of that. I must label this as speculation, but him switching up routines would fit in with his state of mind around the time of his murder.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Here's friend one. You did the rideshare with him. Did you guys have like a regular.

[Friend 1]

Place to park in that parking lot? And that's what I said. God intervened for me anyways. I wish he would have intervened for both of us when we did ride share. Everybody was kind of splitting off the different buildings and it was kind of where I think at the time the college was assigning you to lots or something, something. But I'm not positive on that. But it just made sense for us there because everybody was kind of heading in different directions. It was kind of the center of campus, the regular parking lot and almost the same spot we try and get up there also, you know, you didn't have to walk from way across the parking lot. But yeah, that's very, very close to where we parked every time I rode within ward trips or both of them.

[Anya Cain]

Here's friend 3 who also went to the same college as Scott, although they didn't share any classes.

[Friend 2]

You would try to get a parking spot wherever was closest and depending on what time you were running late, like you're going to try to get a spot wherever you can in the parking lot.

[Kevin Greenlee]

For Friend three, the spot where Scott parked on the day of his murder was not unusual or troubling.

[Anya Cain]

Isolating little details like the money or the parking spot. Something that might sound kind of weird or interesting is fine to an extent, but playing it up or over dramatizing it is a bad thing to do in true crime. It leads to logical leaps and inaccuracies. Before a journalist or a true crime creator reports on a wild detail like this. We need to ask around, ask people in the know, learn if the detail is truly super unusual or perhaps there's a pretty innocent explanation. We have to learn the context. Okay, so as far as Scott being into drugs, we've heard from his friends that he didn't do drugs, that he didn't sell drugs, that he didn't hang out with the drug dealers or stoners, even though he was consistently nice to them, that he would actually actively try to discourage his friends from even smoking cigarettes. And on top of that, the one big so called clue about his international drug dealing activities is just jumped up. Balderdash.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Let's talk once again about our exchanges with Team Kinzu investigator and former Port Huron officer who Herb Wellser. We previously talked about our back and forth with him on an earlier episode in some detail. To recap, we were aware of the toxic stories Tim Kinzu was spreading about Scott with apparently no evidence. So we asked Welzer directly, do you have any evidence that Scott was involved with drugs or was a rapist? Wellser offered that he had a possibly unreliable witness who claimed Scott did drugs. Then he added later that another man claimed he saw Scott after graduation with a drug user dealer. He referred to that guy as T and said he was a confidential source. Maybe this is the person Kinzu was naming earlier in his Facebook comments. In any case, Kinzu's investigators sent us his report on the entire matter, and that report in no way supported the claims Wellser made about it. We pointed that out to him. He seemed to agree with our reading and so we sent him one more email on the subject. We wrote, quote. So to be clear, you are agreeing that the document you sent me does not match the summary you gave me this morning.

[Anya Cain]

He replied with a single word, yes.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Couple that with our exchanges with Scott's friends and it is blindingly obvious there's no evidence for the drug dealing or drug using angles around this murder.

[Anya Cain]

So let me say something about this theory once and for all. I'm going to be super blunt, so please skip ahead if you don't like that. For Team Kenzie on the Scott dealing or using drugs theory, put up or stop talking about it. If someone has evidence for him drug dealing or drug using, bring it out. Show us what you got. Let's talk about it. If you don't have anything, then shut the fuck up about it. We're done. It's done because. Enough. Stop dragging this young man's name through the mud. You can't wishcast or manifest facts in a murder case. That's not how it works. Okay, so drugs are out unless anyone.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Brings something concrete forward, which I don't expect to happen. Now. Don't worry, we're not done. We've seen Team Kinzu come up with alternate theories. Maybe Scott was squeaky clean, but maybe he had other enemies. Enemies willing to harm him. Enemies other than Temujin Kinzu.

[Anya Cain]

Okay, so what do the people who were actually friends with Scott say about that? Who else was Scott quarreling with?

[Kevin Greenlee]

Here's friend 5.

[Anya Cain]

Did Scott have a lot of enemies?

[Friend 5]

No. No, Scott didn't have any enemies that I know of. None?

[Friend 2]

No.

[Friend 5]

Even the people who didn't hang out with him still would call him a friend. I mean, he was just. He was nice to everybody.

[Anya Cain]

Here's friend too.

[Friend 2]

Got along with everyone. Yeah, he was one of those guys you could just meet and start talking to.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, all this talk of Enemies got us wondering. Was Scott even the kind of guy to start random confrontations?

[Anya Cain]

Here's friend three. Was he the kind of guy who'd get into confrontations with people?

[Friend 2]

Never saw that.

[Anya Cain]

So he wasn't an angry type guy.

[Friend 5]

Nope.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Here's friend four.

[Anya Cain]

Crystal and Scott the kind of people to have other enemies. Did they have a bunch of enemies running around?

[Friend 4]

Oh, no, no, not at all. The exact opposite.

[Anya Cain]

We will say Scott's friends are all wrong here. Scott did have an enemy. His enemy's name was Temujin Kenzou. Kenzu became Scott's enemy when Scott dared to get back together with Crystal. Scott wasn't supposed to do this as far as Kenzu was concerned, because Kenzo views women as his property, his to use and abuse. So Scott was to be stalked, targeted and killed for that. We will get more into that later in this episode.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We know from our previous episode with Scott's friends that he was a friendly, calm person. He was a human being and so capable of anger and hurt feelings and sadness, just like all of us. But as far as his baseline personality, he was not brash or aggressive or prone to raging. He was not out there getting into fights. He did not have a history of kicking a lot of people off. The only person known to have an active grudge against him was Temujin Kenzoo.

[Anya Cain]

Again, we cannot prove a negative. Can we prove Scott was universally beloved or that he never quarreled with anyone? No, we cannot. Scott was a popular, likable guy, but maybe there were people out there who didn't care for his personality or who were jealous of him. But frankly, there's a wide gap between that possibility and then somebody going out and killing someone over it. Though that usually takes a pretty intense grudge or at least the kind of falling out that people are well aware of.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We can show that Temujin Kinzu was stalking Scott, that he had it out for this young man. And we went into all of that evidence in our earlier episodes on this case. And we can also show that Scott was very well aware of this and he actually talked to people about it. We cannot, however, link anyone else to this kind of escalating threat and feud with Scott.

[Anya Cain]

Enter Paula Kenzu, Kenzu's wife. This is something she posted on a Facebook group on May 27, 2023. I guess it's one of her big theories of the case, along with the drugs. It's almost like she's grasping at straws. Weird. Here's what she posted. Quote, so we are now hearing A rumor that Scott Macklem raped a woman and it was her brothers who were chasing him and tracked him down and killed him, end quote.

[Kevin Greenlee]

She then goes on to say there's a $50,000 reward for anyone who will exonerate her husband. In a comment, she adds, quote, it is unknown who the alleged rape victim was or if it even happened. But this theory certainly explains a lot of the police reports of two guys harassing him and threatening him, end quote.

[Anya Cain]

Now, we know all about those incidents because Scott told people he knew that Kenzou was one of the men. He recognized him. There's no mystery to solve there. Maybe we shouldn't be surprised by Paula dragging her husband's victim's name through the mud. She also posted on Facebook, quote, there will be political and reputational risks to anybody standing in the way of my husband's freedom, end quote. I guess as far as Paul is concerned, people sympathizing with Scott is not acceptable. Sympathize too much with Scott and you might not want the guy convicted of his murder to get out.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Okay, you remember that Wellser also told us he had no evidence of Scott raping a person. And in her comment, Paula indicates she doesn't even know the alleged rape victim's name. But we have the wife of the man convicted of killing Scott saying that Scott raped a girl. Fine. Let's talk about this. Here's Friend three. The wife of the man who murdered Scott once posted online that she believed that Scott had raped a woman. Does that sound like Scott at all?

[Friend 2]

No, not at all.

[Anya Cain]

Here's friend two. Remember, Friend two actually dated Scott. They were friends and they also became romantically involved. After they broke up. They were still friendly. And she said in our last episode that he was a respectful boyfriend and a good person. What sort of things have you heard or seen people say about this?

[Friend 2]

With the drugs and he. I don't know. I heard something like he raised and all this other terrible things. And that's not. Scott never did fraud before. Well, that's just not him.

[Kevin Greenlee]

All of Scott's friends say he was not a rapist, though they could not imagine him doing anything like that. Paula has never offered more evidence for her assertions. To our knowledge, she's dropped it. But we see no evidence she deleted her disgusting post.

[Anya Cain]

We just want to say for a moment that as reporters, it feels so gross to have to ask Scott's friends about things like this. These people all lost someone dear to them, and we have to sit there and ask them whether their friend was A drug kingpin or a vicious rapist that makes us feel terrible. We have to do it. We have to get a response from them on this. But it really is horrible that people put things out there like this without evidence.

[Kevin Greenlee]

What Team Kinzu is doing is simply character assassination. It is slime thrown at a man who can no longer defend himself because he is dead. Dead at the hands of Temujin Kinzu. It is cowardly and it is disgusting. And it's dumb because they keep trying to explain things that have already been explained. Scott told people Kinzu was stalking him. Kinzu was identified by a witness as being one of the men who harassed Scott at the store where he worked. There's no confusion on that point. Team Kinzu and their many acolytes like to act like there is, but there is not. One witness simply got the date confused. That's it. That witness still heard Scott mentioning Kinzu by name. This is not difficult.

[Anya Cain]

As we mentioned before, Kenzou started stalking Scott because Scott got back with Crystal. Let's revisit a quick timeline that we also outlined in our previous episode. Who Scott was. Scott and Crystal had been friends since kindergarten. They both grew up in the little town of Croswell, Michigan. Their friends say they started dating after graduating high school, starting around the summer of 1984. They then broke up in the early months of 1986. The spring of 1986 is when Crystal met Kenzou. She left Kenzoo after a few short weeks. This was not a dating type relationship. This was not a boyfriend, girlfriend thing that went bad. This was a coercive, abusive nightmare that Crystal found herself dropped into Temujin. Kenzou raped her. He threatened her and her family and her loved ones and then beat her. Throughout that time, Crystal broke it off with Kenzie despite those threats. But of course, Kenzie wasn't done. Now, that summer, Crystal and Scott got back together. Throughout that time, they were both stalked by Temujin Kenzu. Crystal got pregnant and then she and Scott became engaged. Toward the end of October. In 1986, a party took place on Devil's Night, October 30, 1986. At that party, Crystal and Scott's engagement and her pregnancy were a topic of discussion. It is believed that Kenzu attended that party and heard about it at the commutation hearing. Years later, Kenzou admitted thinking the child might be his. We believe that Kenzou's obsessiveness, his possessiveness, and his belief that women were his property and that his own children were his Property prompted him to kill Scott because he could not abide another man raising a child he falsely believed was his. Again, Devil's Night is when he heard about this development. On November 5, 1986, Scott was dead. At trial, Crystal discussed the abuse she suffered at Kenzo's hands and his many threats towards Scott.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Team Kinzu maligns Crystal today because she is an important witness. She gives his motive. So Kinzu needs for her to be labeled as a liar. Interestingly, again, when we asked Herb Wellser, he said he had no evidence that Crystal perjured herself on the stand when she described Kinzu raping her or assaulting her or threatening her. But that has not stopped others from attacking her viciously. Paula Kinzo even posted Crystal's cell number on a public page, encouraging others to call and harass her. We wanted to know more about Crystal. Fortunately, some of Scott's friends were also Crystal's friends.

[Anya Cain]

For instance, friend four worked on Crystal's dad's dairy farm. He became close to her and came to think of her a bit like a sister. He said she was artistic, pretty and talented, very hardworking. Her parents only had girls, her and her sister, but they were expected to work hard on the farm, even taking on chores traditionally done by boys. Friend 4 said Crystal could have been snooty. Her family's farm was a good size. She didn't want for anything. She even had horses. But she was anything but snooty. She was sweet, hard working and humble. One thing I wanted to ask you about was, you know, when it came to Crystal, what kind of guys did she typically date?

[Friend 4]

Crystal didn't really date a lot of guys in high school. She was more like into her horses and her studies and things like that. That's why I said I, I never dated her, but we were just very close. She was, I think she might have dated a couple guys right around the.

[Friend 1]

Time she was a senior, you know, or something.

[Friend 4]

I think she was kind of like my sister was like that. She was a little bit more of a late bloomer, you know, or she dated more guys at the end of high school than she did, say in the 9th grade or 10th grade. Like some other girls were just more outgoing as far as dating guys. Other girls were just more reserved about that. And that's kind of the way I would describe Crystal. She really didn't date a lot of guys. Everyone knew her, you know, I mean, everybody liked her. Everybody adored her. She was very, very kind, you know, do anything for you. But like I said, she didn't seem to date a lot.

[Anya Cain]

So Crystal was not the type of person where, you know, she was having a lot of issues with a lot of boyfriends, and they were all fighting.

[Friend 4]

Exactly the opposite. She's very special, not just to me.

[Friend 2]

But.

[Friend 4]

You just tell which she handled herself well. Hard working, smart, dedicated. You know, her like her dad, just, you know, her mom was very, very good woman. Real good woman. I'll never forget her mom. But her dad, you know, they. She probably wouldn't, you know, she couldn't just come home, get whatever grade she wanted, or get in trouble at school. You know, her dad was very proud of her. He always was very proud of her. She was the, you know, she could be a girly girl, but she could also, you know, be a tough girl at the same time with, you know, being able to fix a tractor, put hands on it, throw hay, throw straw, you know, climb a ladder. She wasn't like I said she was. She was the best, you know.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Fred one told us he also never heard about any animosity around other men Crystal dated. No one pointed to issues with other men interested in Crystal. Now because friend one departed Michigan to serve in the military In January of 1986, he missed everything with Kinzu.

[Anya Cain]

But friend three was in the know.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Before Scott was murdered. Had he or anyone else told you that he was having trouble with someone stalking him or threatening him?

[Friend 2]

No, I did not know about. With any problems with Scott. I did know about Crystal, that there had been a period where they had broke up and. And that she was having trouble and she had changed her phone number. She had quit the job at the video store. That type of. Type of things.

[Anya Cain]

So like a guy hassling her, Essentially.

[Friend 2]

Potentially there was a guy hassling her. I believe she was date raped.

[Kevin Greenlee]

It wasn't something that was completely out in the open. Remember, it was a different time. But there was a sense that something was going very badly wrong in crystal's life. She became withdrawn. People noticed bruises.

[Anya Cain]

Now, when we say there were no other issues with boyfriends of crystals, that is not entirely true. She did date a guy named arnell. Here's friend four.

[Friend 1]

Oh, yeah.

[Friend 4]

No, he was like Mr. Mr. Super Good Looking. You know, he was a little bit older.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We've talked to one of Arnell's relatives on the show. Arnell was a cousin of friend 5. Arnell and Crystal dated and then broke up after Scott's murder. Friend 5 was able to check in with Arnel about what he experienced. Here she is.

[Friend 5]

And I talked about it with my Cousin. I don't know if he's been brought up or not. His name was Arnel, and Crystal dated him very briefly when she broke up with Scott. And I don't know if it was before she dated Freeman right before, but she went out with my cousin a few times. He was getting the same types of kind of threats that he was given Scott. But then, you know, he. He stepped out and he was like, nope, you know, I'm out. My cousin. Well, he was. He passed away in a snowmobile accident, but he's five years older than me, so he would be six years older than Crystal. You know, it was just kind of a brief dating thing, but he and I discussed it and talked about it and kind of like threats and things that he was getting from him.

[Anya Cain]

What did he say?

[Friend 5]

I remember us having the conversations about it, but as far as me being able to tell you exactly what he would say, I don't know if I'm.

[Friend 2]

I just.

[Friend 5]

I remember going over after Scott passed away, and then it was after Christmas, and I remember going over to see her and Gary and my cousin Arnell showed up, and Pat and Arnell and.

[Friend 1]

I went for a walk.

[Friend 5]

And I just remember him talking about it, too, and just talking about how the guy would make threats to him and tell. Not verbatim, but in a nutshell, I'm going to say, basically comments like for him to stay away from Crystal, like Freeman threatening Arnell to stay away from Crystal or else, you know, that type of thing. But I mean, that. Don't take that verbatim because it was 40 years, you know, almost 40 years ago.

[Anya Cain]

But Arnel was being threatened in some capacity.

[Friend 2]

Yes.

[Friend 5]

Yes.

[Friend 2]

Wow. Yeah.

[Friend 5]

And I know. And his nerves were shot about the whole thing because he was having. He even commented on how upsetting it was because he was having such a difficult time with his stomach and his nerves from it. And unfortunately, he's not here for you to talk to because he passed away in New Year's of 99.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I'm. I'm so sorry.

[Friend 5]

Thank you.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So, yeah, there were incidents with at least one other man involved with Crystal. Not because Arnel was a violent person or someone who might have gone after Scott, but because Arnel was also getting threatened by Kanzu.

[Anya Cain]

Let's all put ourselves in Crystal's place for a moment. You go through a situation where a monster rapes you, beats you, refuses to allow you to leave him, strangles you, threatens to kill you, psychologically torments you and tells you that if you defy him he will murder your family and friends and everyone you love. You muster the fortitude to get away from that monster and get back with someone you love, someone you've been close to for years. Scott Macklem. You get pregnant with Scott's child. You get engaged. You're about to start a whole new life with someone you love as parents, as a married couple. Then the monster comes back and does what he always said he'd do. He kills someone you love. He kills Scott. You are left alone and pregnant. Then you must testify at trial. You must contend with the fact that someone you love was killed because of the monster. Consumed with obsession and possession and hatred for you, the monster is convicted. But for years he attacks you. He attacks you in the press. Then when social media is invented, he attacks you on that. He gets others to attack you. He mocks your stories of abuse. He says you are the liar. Everyone appears to take his side. The traditional press, new media, random commentators on the Internet, they all hope the monster gets out. They want him freed. They celebrate him and tear you down. They laugh at your testimony. They think that you're a liar too, because that's what the monster tells them. Some say that you might be the real culprit. As far as Scott's murder goes, everyone seems to be doing this except those who know you, those who know the situation, and those who fight for years to make sure this monster remains caged. Imagine that for a minute.

[Kevin Greenlee]

That is a nightmare. Let's all try to remember that. Let's try to encourage others to remember that when they joke about this case or when they smear Crystal or when they even tried to accuse her of the murder. Friend 4 remembered talking with Crystal just a few years after the murder happened. He could tell it took a toll.

[Friend 4]

I remember her talking with her then, you know, about what had happened, you know, and how she was very afraid at that time, even him getting out of prison. I had lunch in her office back know, back then in the late 90s, you know, and she had told me that, that she was just still very afraid of him.

[Anya Cain]

Crystal isn't the only one of Scott's loved ones to get dragged into dumb theorizing. In this case, Scott's father, Gary Macklem, has also fallen victim to this phenomenon. We alluded to this earlier as it comes up in connection with the drug theory.

[Kevin Greenlee]

So you heard us go into great depth about the small Sanilac county city of Croswell, Michigan in our previous episode, who Scott was. Croswell and port Huron in St. Clair county are in the state's thumb region. For your reference. Croswell is small. It's agrarian and rural. It's not the seat of great wealth or power. It just is not.

[Anya Cain]

This discourse reminds us a little of what people used to say about Delphi, Indiana, when discussing the 2017 murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. To hear certain conspiracy theorists talk about Delphi, you'd think that it was the center of all corruption and evil. You'd think it was a city consisting entirely of sinister looking haunted houses and civilians twirling their mustaches and laughing evilly. I mean, it's not, but why let that stop anyone's fun?

[Kevin Greenlee]

But back to Croswell. Scott's family was not mega wealthy. Scott's dad, Gary, worked as the state farm insurance agent locally. They lived in a nice home and did well for themselves. Gary also served as the city's mayor. The idea seems to be that Gary Macklem not only wielded an extraordinary amount of local power, but he was able to bend police investigators and prosecutors in nearby counties and, we guess, jurors and judges to his might in order to have an innocent man arrested and convicted.

[Anya Cain]

In a toothachingly sympathetic 2020 interview with Omnichannel marketing strategist and content creator Phil Mandelbaum on Medium, Kenzu says this quite directly. Quote, Second, Scott's father, Gary, was a prominent figure. The Croswell mayor, a wealthy business and landowner whose family was involved in bootlegging in the past and who may also have ties to Vlasic pickles. End quote. I'm not kidding about the Vlasic pickles part. Here's more. Quote. Third, multiple sources reported Gary was well aware of Scott's drug dealing and that he was paying off Scott's debt and using his influence with the police. And St. Clair County Prosecutor Robert Cleland, the man who, along with John Bounds, framed me for the crime to keep Scott out of trouble. End quote.

[Kevin Greenlee]

This is stupid stuff. I have to. I have to say that this is just unbelievably stupid. And I am at a loss to understand how anyone with a conscience can continue to support this person online. But I still see it.

[Anya Cain]

Well, I guess all. I guess everyone who thinks it's stupid is just controlled by Big Pickle Kevin, here's friend. Five people act like, you know, Scott's dad was some sort of political power broker by being the mayor of Croswell. Can you.

[Friend 5]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, my go gosh. So our town. Okay, so Croswell has one blink, one light, not one stop.

[Friend 2]

Light.

[Friend 5]

Maybe a population of 20 at that time, 2400 people in this tiny little farm community. We are so far from a political powerhouse, it's not even funny. Oh, my goodness. I know.

[Friend 2]

That's.

[Friend 5]

That has always been so aggravating to listen to people say that. Because it's not like this is Wayne county or Detroit or Chicago or New York, where, you know, we are talking tiny little farm town. That whole avenue or aspect that people try to put on, to put that spin on, to make it look like that guy was framed is. It's really absurd. His dad was the mayor of a. I'm not even sure how much our mayors get paid, but I mean, the mayor wasn't his, you know, the mayor wasn't his, quote, job. You know, all of the people that are on our city board still to this day, right now, the guy that's the mayor is the mechanic for the school at the bus garage. I mean, everybody has, you know, they all have jobs elsewhere that pay the bills. And then just somebody in this little town's gotta run, you know. You know, somebody has to run things. Now the city manager that might, you know, that I think is a full time job. But that's not the job that Gary had. He was mayor. Yeah. Croswell doesn't have little Sanilac County. We don't have that kind of clout or pull with anything.

[Anya Cain]

Here's friend one.

[Friend 1]

Absolute utter garbage. Like I said, Gary was a local insurance agent. Right. And so he knew people. Yeah. Because everybody up there had insurance. Right. Or if not from him, from others. Right. So. And that he was mayor. Come on. In small town usa, Mary's not wielding some powerful gavel and making earth shattering decisions about.

[Friend 4]

About stuff. Right.

[Friend 1]

It's a local community. He was the local mayor. Again, one of the nicest guys you ever want to meet and sit and talk to and hilarious. I mean, just. He's got that dry wit like Johnny Gerson did. Just funny guy, but a loving guy, too.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We have seen this conspiracy theory go further. We've seen people explain the reason why prosecutor Robert Cleland of St. Clair county would break the law in order to keep mayor Macklem happy. The idea is that Cleland wanted to accrue power, so he courted Gary Macklem. Let's talk about Cleland for a minute. Cleland started as an assistant prosecutor in 1972 in St. Clair County. Then he became the chief trial attorney for the county in 1975. Then he was the chief assistant in 1977 and became county prosecutor in 1981. He held that role until 1990. And indeed he did make some statewide efforts. He was the Republican candidate for the Attorney general in the 1986 race. He lost that contest the night before Scott died. So some of the comments we've seen around this don't even make sense because Cleveland had already lost that race by the time Scott was dead.

[Anya Cain]

But some still look at it as a sign that Cleland must be power hungry. Now, if you know anything about Michigan politics in 1986, you would understand that this is kind of silly. Cleland ran as a favor to the Republican Party. He had no hope of winning. Kathy Hoffman of the Times Herald wrote a very telling lead for her article on him and his campaign. That was, quote, robert Cleland knew he was tilting at windmills this fall when he ran against Democratic Attorney General Frank Kelly. End quote. See the 1986 Michigan gubernatorial election that occurred on November 4, 1986, saw a landslide win for the Democratic Party. For Christ's sake. Ottawa county was the only county out of 83 Michigan counties that went for the Republicans. Michigan was awash in blue back then. Incumbent governor James Blanchard won with 68.1% of the vote. Incumbent Democratic Attorney General Frank J. Kelly won with 68.64% of the vote. He did better than the governor.

[Kevin Greenlee]

There was no way Robert Cleland was ever going to win that race. But the party needed someone to run a futile campaign. So portraying Cleland as some kind of a political powerhouse who needed a key alliance with Gary Macklem, the mayor of a little farming town, is just unbelievably dumb.

[Anya Cain]

Now, Hoffman speculated Cleland might run again in 1990, when Kelly was due to retire. Maybe then Michigan would be more open to a Republican Attorney general. But that's not what happened. That year, United states President George H. W. Bush nominated Cleland to serve as a judge for the U.S. district Court for the Eastern District of Michigan. So what's next? Are they going to start saying that Gary Macklin put in a call to his old pal Papa Bush to make that happen? Come on.

[Kevin Greenlee]

These speculations are sort of amusing, but not really. When you really stop to think about it, these so called theories are not harmless. They're harmful. They're downright cruel. They pin the blame for the murder on everyone else. People who love Scott, Scott's father, Crystal Scott himself. Everyone gets blamed except for the actual killer, Temujin Kinzu.

[Anya Cain]

Here's Friend two.

[Friend 2]

And I feel bad for Pat and Gary, you know, that they still have to hear about all of this. It's mom and dad. Yeah.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Here's friend one.

[Friend 1]

Intentionally not followed it.

[Friend 2]

Yeah.

[Friend 1]

When I got out of the service, I went and spoke with Scott's parents. I felt the weight of it when I hugged Pat. That you guys said. I've listened to a couple of your podcasts. You said in one of them that he continues to orchestrate, manipulate from behind bars. In fact, Gary shared some of that with me. I won't share it with you. That they continue to live in the horror of this to this very day, all the way back to when this happened. And so part of the, the. Part of the. Part of the sickness of this is that it's affected some other people's lives for the rest of their lives. And this son of a is sitting in jail, getting off on it, knowing that people are still speaking about him, knowing that people are still caught up in it. And that, to me, is a sick thing when I see the struggles of the survivors.

[Friend 4]

Right.

[Friend 1]

Scott wouldn't want this torment to follow his mom and dad. Right. He wouldn't push that on anybody.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We talked about the people Scott loved and how they've been continuously abused amidst this whole mess. Let's go back to Scott's enemies for a moment. Let's go back to Temujin Kinzu. You see, Scott knew what was happening. He knew Kinzu was after him. He did not have any doubts whatsoever about who was behind the harassment he and Crystal were getting.

[Anya Cain]

We know this for a fact. The murder sheet exclusively broke the news that Scott had actually been investigating Kenzu before he died. This was one of the most remarkable things we learned about Scott.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Here is the police report dated March 26, 1987. As a reminder, Temujin Kinzu, amongst his many other bits of completely normal behavior, used a wide variety of aliases. He wasn't just Temujin Kinzu. He was Fred Freeman. He was John Lamar. Bunch of other names, I'm sure. So in the police report Anya is about to read, you will hear references to Lamar or Freeman, and those are actually references to none other than the Temujin Kinzu quote.

[Anya Cain]

Scott had been concerned about Redacted's relationship with John Lamar, as Redacted had indicated to him about Lamar's unusual behavior. On one occasion, sometime in the latter part of the summer of 86, Scott had been over to Freeman's cottage in Lakeport and had observed these license plates affixed on a red opal, a blue Olds Cutlass and a motorcycle, jotted the plates down and gave them to Redacted to See if she could have an acquaintance try to get the ownership on these. Scott had indicated to his mother that he believed these license plates were being switched around on different vehicles. Scott also conveyed to his mother that he felt these vehicles were driving past their home on various occasions, mostly at night. End quote.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Police followed up on that after the death of Scott. They wrote, quote, it is believed that the defendant had acquired the Olds and Cycle from redacted, didn't put proper plates on the vehicles.

[Anya Cain]

Scott wasn't confused. We shouldn't be either. Many of Scott's friends said that his investigation into Kenzu was very much aligned.

[Friend 1]

With his character, that he was trying to track down this idiot. I truly believe it was because he was harassing Crystal and him and his family. That's the kind of Scott that I know, that he would not tolerate injustice. He would not tolerate others being picked on or in danger. Right. Especially those that he loved and cared about. So that doesn't surprise me. When I heard that he had found license plates of this idiot's car and that this guy was. Whatever he was doing, it very much speaks to the character of him, that he was trying to defend others. He was trying to figure out who this idiot was and doing it the proper way. He wouldn't have just gone off vigilante style, which is what I probably would have done. It would have taken him talking me out of it. So that doesn't surprise me that that falls right in line with Scott's character.

[Kevin Greenlee]

These friends of Scott have had decades to sit and watch some of this unfold. They have plenty to say. Let's just let them tell you what they think of the coverage of this case and what it has done to everyone who actually cares about Scott Macklem. You talk about all of these crazy stories that people tell about him being a cocaine dealer or what have you. How has that affected you? To have people make up terrible stories about someone that you loved and cared about, who was no longer with us, hurts.

[Friend 5]

There's been a lot of times when I've read things and you wanna. You wanna fire back, you know, and you wanna tell people, you know, like Bill Proctor would be a great example. When you get these crazies from Detroit who were, I don't know, just starting all of this with. With Freeman and whatever his name is. His name's Freeman. He can call it whatever he wants, but it's very aggravating. And yeah, it hurts. And it, you know, it's like you want to call them up and tell them how wrong they are. But until now, it's always been asked to just, you know, I mean, just let it go. Don't fuel the fire. You know what I mean? Now, since it isn't my place to say, you just kind of sit back and try to let it roll off your shoulders.

[Friend 2]

So the things I hear, they're very upsetting.

[Anya Cain]

Tell us about that.

[Friend 2]

Yeah, because that's not the person.

[Friend 5]

I know.

[Friend 2]

They're all lies because that's not the person.

[Kevin Greenlee]

How does that make you feel to hear people lying about this man, you know, this young man, you know, who was so tragically cut down and now these people are not only lying about him, but they're telling these lies in order to help the man who killed him. How does that make you feel?

[Friend 2]

It's upsetting. It's heart wrenching after all these years too. It's just. It's heart wrenching because I know that person. My family knows that person person. And that's not that person. They're just all lies.

[Friend 4]

No, I think I kind of told you that not only was Scott top notch when I knew him, you know, as far as the young gun smart, you know, everybody was wish, you know, the guys wish they could be Scott because he was real good looking, that he was graceful and he was great in sports, but I also wanted to tell you with my time that she was also a wonderful person. And so together, you know, they were both top notch. Yeah, the whole thing makes no sense. And you know, I just always thought the guy was evil and that, yeah, he planned it out. And even to this day there's something wrong where he keeps saying that he didn't do it. You know, most people eventually come to the Lord or something, even in prison, you know, or do have remorse, you know, I mean, for what they've done. And they change through life, you know, that's what life is. It's change. But for him to still stand on the fact that he didn't do anything and like you said, paint, you know, Scott or the crystal out to be bad people, you know, again, when they can't, you know, or Scott can't defend himself all these years later, you know, it's just ridiculous, you know, still appalling.

[Anya Cain]

What would your message be to people who have kind of taken it upon themselves to sort of malign Scott and champion human is killer?

[Friend 2]

What would my message be to them? It would be, again, what evidence do you have?

[Friend 5]

And.

[Friend 2]

Good question. I would just. It'd be, you're wrong. You're. You're wrong with what you're doing. And I. I don't know anything about that. The person who is convicted of this crime, I don't know anything about, you.

[Friend 5]

Know, what the police.

[Friend 2]

I know none of those things. But I can speak about Scott. And you're wrong to believe that what you're saying is true, that he was. That he was doing anything that was wrong. It's not true. This was a good human being that was taken 39 years ago. And his legacy and his memory should not be tarnished because they're trying to vindicate somebody else. That it shouldn't be. It's. They should not harm his reputation. His. You know, he's gone. He can't, you know, and it's. It's a shame that this is happening.

[Friend 1]

Move on. Let the survivors survive. Let them have their life. What's left of them. Left, right. Pat and Gary are getting up there, and they're still caught up in the nightmare of this day in their life that they had no control over.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Yeah, it's very upsetting to think about how they lost their son that day. And there's people out there who try to torment them by making up stories about them saying they're these big power brokers who were involved in some sort of conspiracy. They make up stories about their son. I want to ask you.

[Friend 1]

Because every one of them is completely full of shit. Okay? Every one of them is full of. They don't know. They're grasping at straws for a delusional being. Sorry.

[Kevin Greenlee]

No, I. I think people need to hear what you're saying. It's one thing if other people say it, but when this comes from people who knew Scott and who knew the people who are affected by all of this, I think people need to hear what you're saying.

[Friend 5]

I sat down on the computer one night. My husband was at work, and I started reading it, and I had to turn it off. I was just. That was like, oh, my gosh.

[Friend 2]

And.

[Friend 5]

Yeah, and then saying that, you know, it was a drug dealer that did it, and it's like, that wasn't Scott. So that. Yeah, I was aware that they had tried to take that avenue. Still tormenting, still trying to put the blame on him, still trying to get out, you know, and God forbid they ever let him out. I seriously worry for what would happen, you know, for other. You know, for other people's safety or whatever, because I don't. I don't know that somebody like that can just. Just able to go away and start over.

[Kevin Greenlee]

I think you would hurt people if.

[Anya Cain]

He Got out, you would absolutely hurt people.

[Friend 5]

I think he would absolutely hurt people.

[Friend 2]

If he got out.

[Friend 5]

Even the last time it was on the news and it wasn't even Proctor, which drives me crazy because their comment for, like, stories coming up is, you know, a man wrongfully convicted. 36. So, you know, 38 years, whatever it was years ago. And it's like, no, when. When someone goes to a school or goes into a Walmart or goes in and stabs and shoots somebody and they have.

[Friend 2]

They.

[Friend 5]

They caught them in the act, they know he did it, but yet they still have to use the word alleged. You know, the alleged gunman. You know, they still have to use the word alleged even though they were caught in the act and they have video and everyone and their brother knows.

[Friend 2]

That they did it.

[Friend 5]

They still have to use the word alleged, yet they've had it pop up before on the news. And the way they say it, instead of, you know, instead of saying someone who alleges to be innocent, they worded it at, you know, a man who has been wrongfully imprisoned for the last 38 years or 37 years, whenever it was that it was on, you know, and. And his story coming up. And then the other news anchor girl is just shakes her head and she's just like, yeah, that's just so wrong.

[Friend 2]

And it's like, no, he is not. He.

[Friend 5]

You didn't even use the. You use the word alleged in the other case when everybody knows that's who did it.

[Friend 2]

He.

[Friend 5]

He alleges that he is innocent, but a guil. A jury found him guilty. You know, when I listen to your podcast, I mean, I tried to follow the, you know, considering I wasn't here, I was. That couldn't be at the courtroom. I couldn't go in because if I had been here, I would have. I didn't get to hear all of the testimony and all of the transcripts and all of that. And listening to a lot of it on your murder sheet, on your podcast. Him calling people from the jail to manipulate their memory on where he was that day or where he wasn't that day. Thankfully, that one man was so adamant that he knew exactly, you know, and he goes, I was in your driveway. No, you weren't. Your wife was in my driveway. Oh, I was in the car. No, you weren't. Your car was in my drive. Because, you know, when he said, your car was in my driveway. So I had to park on the street in front of my house because your. Your wife was in my driveway. They just skipped him you didn't, you never heard anything about him. You just heard about the other four people like from practice side. The other four. For five people who he got to lie for him to say that he was there when he wasn't. And it's, it, it boggles my mind at how TV reporters can, can be so just put on blinders and just only see what you want to see. If you're going to tell the story, then, then, then find out and tell the story and tell the real story and, and tell the truth.

[Friend 1]

We're sitting talking, thinking about this and I gotta tell you, it kind of almost ruined my weekend because I was so conflicted because how do you get to the folks that are delusional, that are following a delusional illusion? It's, it's like the state of our politics today, right. You can't turn somebody from thinking what they're going to think or believing what they're going to believe. Even if they're given truths spelled out in plain English.

[Friend 2]

It's easy to blame somebody who's not here to defend themselves.

[Anya Cain]

How does that make you feel when it's someone you knew and cared about?

[Friend 2]

Very upset. Very upset. Because again, you know, it, you're trying to, like, again, people say things like you're trying to defend something with no validity behind it. Like there's no. What, like what is the evidence behind these things that they're saying?

[Anya Cain]

They have no evidence.

[Friend 2]

Right. So that you, what's the, you know, so why is it being given any light, you know, and in the real world that we live in and people say things all the time that aren't, aren't accurate. But you, you know, it's almost, it's slander it to me at this point, it's slander. You're slandering somebody who, with no evidence, with no proof of any of these things that you're saying and it's not the person that I know.

[Friend 5]

You'Re saying.

[Friend 2]

Things that are not, not the person I know.

[Friend 4]

I do believe there is evil in this world and I do believe it walks around, you know, someone like that, you know, no remorse to this day. You know what I mean?

[Friend 1]

Yeah. You said something about all the stories that had come out in the story this and story this and, and I, I have to even check myself when it's called a story because to me it's utter garbage. Right? It's utter, complete, smelly stacky pile of garbage. And it's coming from folks that have no clue whatsoever about the man that Scott Was young man and the person that Crystal is.

[Kevin Greenlee]

How does it feel to hear people make up garbage about this guy you knew and loved and they're making it up in order to try to help out the man who killed him? How does that make you feel?

[Friend 1]

First of all, I'll stop short of calling him a man because I don't believe that he is. I think he's some sick, psychotic, psychopathic, sociopathic being. He takes on other names to try and clear himself of all the garbage that he's done in his past. He's ruined his family name for sure and every other name that he's assumed. So to call him a man, I can't go that far. He's a human. But humans don't do that to other humans, so I have to stop short on that one too. He's obviously a sick individual who tries to drag people into his delusions and is pretty successful at it. Unfortunately, the rest of us who are not of that mindset are left trying to figure out how you change the mind of those that are caught up in his delusions. And unfortunately, there's others out there that suffer from same delusional thinking that he does and think that they can twist the world into their narrative. And I want to tell you, every person that knew Scott knows better. And that's, I think, the hesitation with people wanting to even speak on it because they know. They know who he is.

[Friend 4]

Right?

[Friend 1]

And they know. And I know you're never going to change the mind of those who want to follow this delusional being down his delusional hole. And so is it a benefit to do stuff like this? I don't know, which is why I've struggled with it over the past week and a half.

[Anya Cain]

We respectfully disagree with friend one there. We think the truth does change people's minds. Not everybody's. Some people are way too entrenched to ever consider they were wrong about Kenzu.

[Kevin Greenlee]

But the truth has already had a huge impact on this case. People have heard the new information we presented and changed their perspective. There are a lot of open minded people out there in true crime and they respond when they learn new things.

[Anya Cain]

The fact is that Ken Zoo has lost control of the public narrative here. He's got to realize that on some level. Must be hard sitting in a cell knowing that a wildfire is raging, burning down all the meticulously crafted lies that took so long to construct and there's nothing he can do about it. People aren't stupid. They know when they've been Sold nonsense.

[Kevin Greenlee]

And they're open to listening to new voices. They listen to Kinzu's daughter, Lena. They've listened to G. Lena's mother and Kenzie's former wife. And now they listen to Scott's friends.

[Anya Cain]

You want to know why so many people are lifting up their voices now?

[Kevin Greenlee]

It's because they're angry and hurt. They feel that way because of what's been done to this case, because of the shallow, superficial coverage of a murder case involving someone they love, that they still love.

[Anya Cain]

They're angry about what's been said about Kenzu and his accusers, and they're angry about what's been said about Scott and what's not been said about him. They've been furious about the lies the media peddled that's been simmering for years.

[Kevin Greenlee]

They've been silent before because they've never trusted anyone to give this side, never trusted anyone to truly care before.

[Anya Cain]

Now, when they hear journalists and producers and podcasters putting out articles and projects that lionize their friend's murder or that lead with the nonsensical angle about a wrongful conviction, they don't feel confident in approaching to give their side.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Because the damage is done. The bias is already obvious. Anyone in this case who doesn't fit the cookie cutter wrongful conviction narrative is pushed out, directly or indirectly.

[Anya Cain]

And listen, in our opinion, the past is past. People didn't have the full story before. Creators didn't, listeners didn't, even some journalists didn't. People weren't given the full story. Fine.

[Kevin Greenlee]

But going forward, shame on anyone who continues to spread these falsehoods, Anyone who does this, anyone who chooses to smear a dead man without any evidence with wisps of witness statements and conjecture and nonsense. If it is a significant enough breach that needs addressing, we will be there and we will speak. And when I say we, I don't just mean Anya and I. I mean all of us.

[Anya Cain]

That isn't a threat. It's a promise. It's what we would do in any case. It's what we did in Delphi when conspiracy theorists got a hold of it and sought to disparage the families of Libby German and Abby Williams and the investigators and prosecutors who sought to secure justice for them. And all the members of their community of Delphine Scott and those who love him deserve no less. All murder victims and their survivors deserve no less. They deserve. We all deserve the truth.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We close by talking about Scott and Kenzo. In learning more about Scott, we realize something.

[Anya Cain]

Scott was everything Kenzu wasn't everything Kenzu will never be.

[Kevin Greenlee]

We personally believe that Kinzu is deeply aware of this fact because it's a bizarre and kind of darkly funny fact that Kinzu often seems to model himself on. Scott Kenzo is just a hollow man. He always ends up stealing from those who have fuller lives and personalities than he does.

[Anya Cain]

Scott was born on Dec. 25, Christmas Day. In a slobbering 2019 column from the Detroit News's Nolan Finley, Kenzo says, quote, and this is my favorite day of the year. I'm a Christmas baby. I just love Christmas. End quote.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Kenzo says he's a Christmas baby. He was born on May 23, 1963. Why in the name of God is he calling himself a Christmas baby? Maybe he didn't mean he was literally born on Christmas, but just really lives Christmas. But in any case, it's weird. Come on.

[Anya Cain]

Kenzie married his now wife Paula the day before the anniversary of Scott's murder. November 4, 2022. Again, weird.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Kenzo talks in interviews about how he was a bit of a rogue with the women folk. A charming ladies man. Scott was actually popular with women and he didn't harm them or scare them into staying with them.

[Anya Cain]

Kenzou boasts about how widely admired he is, about how he has the power to swing national presidential elections, about how his followers form an army on his behalf. Scott didn't have that, but he had actual friends who cared about him and really knew him. Anyone who's still loyal to Kenzo either isn't paying attention, is too scared to leave, or is dealing with a terrible case of sunk cost fallacy.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Kinzu sends his wife Paula out to say that Scott was a rapist. No, the rapist in this case is Temujin Kinzu. Multiple women have said he raped and attacked them. Every accusation this man and his acolytes make is a confession.

[Anya Cain]

Kenzu's version of this story is that he's the ultimate victim of the case. Not the man he killed, not the woman he tormented and stalked, not the other women he also abused or the children he harmed.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Even now, after decades of wasting away in prison, Kinzu seems to still be seething over the fact that he will never be Scott. Not even close. Instead of using his time in prison to sit with the magnitude of what he did and perhaps tried to change for the better behind bars, to perhaps try to put his remaining years into helping younger inmates avoid his anger and his mistakes, Kinzu plays pretend. Kinzu was jealous of Scott, so he goes back and forth between pretending he didn't know Scott, that he didn't think about him, that he didn't stalk him, and sicing his team on Scott's memory, trying to find something to smear his victim with.

[Anya Cain]

Here's what we learned about Scott.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Scott was capable of love, compassion, and empathy. Feelings likely unfamiliar to someone like temujin kinzu.

[Anya Cain]

Scott was kind. Kenzu is cruel.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Scott worked hard. He went to school. He had jobs. He hadn't quite figured out what his final career would be, but he had options. He was a person who connected well with others. Maybe he would have gone to work for his father for a time. Maybe he would have done something else. Who knows? But he was on his way. Kinzu, on the other hand, did not want to work at all. But he was not above forcing others to work for him and tricking honest people. He raised money by abusing women and forcing them to collect funds for fake charitable causes. Kinzu saw himself as the real charity case.

[Anya Cain]

Of course Scott respected women. He was friends with women. He valued them as romantic partners and platonic companions alike. He was capable of remaining friends with his exes. He did not view women as his property or beneath him. He did not seek to control them. He was a gentleman. Kenzo is a stalker, a domestic abuser, and a rapist. We are unaware of any romantic partners he had who he didn't harm in some significant and meaningful way. Kenzu wants women to worship him and then punishes them for even being around him. Denise, michelle, a woman we call d. G. Whose testimony we had on the show read by her daughter with kenzu, Lena, and of course, crystal. Kenzou is a serial rapist and a serial abuser. Even behind bars, he's bad for the women in his life. I mean, just look at Paula. Perhaps she's had some struggles in life before this. Now she gets to be publicly humiliated by running around trying to manage this guy's social media presence. How embarrassing. Do you think she feels good about herself? Do you think this is fun for her? Having to be at the beck and call of a man with the mind of a whiny child? He's likely got her convinced that his release is imminent. Maybe she's scared. She shouldn't be. It's never too late to leave an emotionally and mentally abusive manipulator and just let him languish in his cell. Paula, you may not know this, but you're free. The chains are just in your mind. Run, don't walk away. Be happy. You can't be happy doing all of this.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Scott's legacy lives on. He had a child with Crystal, a child that Temujin Kinzu coveted. Meanwhile, we heard from Kinzu's daughter Laina about how much he hurt her. She said that on our show. In response, Kinzu and Paula lashed out at her viciously on social media. They could not contain their rage. His kids deserved far better than him and we wish his kids well. They are all far, far better people than he is.

[Anya Cain]

Scott's parents love and miss him every day. According to testimony from the commutation hearing, Kenzo's parents think he's guilty of murder. They know exactly what he is.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Scott changed lives for the better. Kinzu has harmed just about everyone who's had the misfortune of encountering him, at least anyone who's made the mistake of engaging with him in any sort of depth.

[Anya Cain]

Let's all think about Scott. If you pray, pray for him and his family and those who loved him. For all of us, though, when we talk about this case, let's try when we can, to put the focus back on Scott, a terrific young man who lost his life for no reason. That's the story. The story isn't about his petulant killer who spent years dodging any accountability and acting like an embarrassing, cringy loser behind bars. Temujin Kenzu already took Scott Macklem's life. Let's not let this murderer tarnish Scott's memory too. Let's be like Scott's friends. Let's stand up and say enough. Let's remember Scott for who he was and the legacy he leaves behind to this day.

[Kevin Greenlee]

Thanks so much for listening to the Murder Sheet. If you have a tip concerning one of the cases we cover, please email [e-mail] if you have actionable information about an unsolved crime, please report it to the appropriate authorities.

[Anya Cain]

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[Kevin Greenlee]

Special thanks to Kevin Tyler Greenlee, who composed the music for the Murder Sheet and who you can find on the web at kevintg.

[Anya Cain]

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