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Peyton Moreland
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Garrett Moreland
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Peyton Moreland
Noom.com you're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Hey everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my Husband. I'm Peyton Moreland.
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Garrett Moreland
And I'm Garrett Moreland.
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Peyton Moreland
And he's the husband.
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Garrett Moreland
And I'm the husband. Getting close to the holidays. What can I say? We have a black Christmas tree in between us.
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Peyton Moreland
I think we mentioned it.
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Garrett Moreland
Oh, just kidding. Ignore that. We must have mentioned it while last week Last week and I was not here.
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Peyton Moreland
You definitely were.
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Garrett Moreland
If you don't celebrate Christmas, whatever you celebrate, we need to get like a shrine in the middle of just Christmas, Hanukkah, all the holidays, all the hall, like every. Anything anyone celebrates during an empty bowl of nothing. Nothing. Just everything. Be kind of cool. Thank you for being here. Thank you for listening. Thank you for supporting us. We love you. Thank you if you listen. Thank you if you listen. And pay for our extra content and ad free. We appreciate it. And we're back with another episode.
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Peyton Moreland
I think it's time for your 10 seconds.
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Garrett Moreland
Don't got much this week, everyone. I am sorry. No crazy raccoon stories.
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Peyton Moreland
I mean, how do you top the raccoon?
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Garrett Moreland
I know. How do you top the raccoon story? If you are curious, my favorite animal is a cheetah. Just in case I don't know anyone has connections with some cheetahs out there.
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Peyton Moreland
Yeah, okay, Tiger King, calm down.
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Garrett Moreland
Well, not like that. Like, there's some baby cubs that needed rescued and then I can come feed it with a bottle or something. N. You know what I'm saying?
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Peyton Moreland
Okay.
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Garrett Moreland
No, seriously. If anyone has any connections to any.
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Peyton Moreland
Baby cheetahs, they rescued baby cheetah.
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Garrett Moreland
I do. I have loved cheetahs since I was a. As long as I can remember, since I've been in the womb. I love them. If anyone works at a zoo, that's a good zoo. Don't be a bad zoo. If anyone works at a good zoo or something and wants to invite me and I can come check out the baby cubs, I don't have to touch them. I just want to get close to them and just feel their presence. I would. That. You don't understand how happy that would make me. That would. It would make me so happy. I don't. I don't have any other words for it. I just get happy thinking about it. I might tear up and cry. So please, please help me make that a reality. Please help me make that a dream come true. I will travel anywhere. I will go to any state. I will go to. Will I go to any country? I probably will go to any country. If the offer is juicy enough, I will do it. I will go anywhere, anytime, any place. Please help me out. Also, it has to be humane. Okay? I don't want any. Something humane. And that's all I want for Christmas is that.
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Peyton Moreland
I actually just thought about something. I think if you've been listening to Murder with my Husband since the beginning, you probably know the lore that Garrett doesn't cry that I had never seen him cry.
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Garrett Moreland
But that's not true. You've seen me cry now.
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Peyton Moreland
I was just about to say. Oh, I'm not sure we ever updated the listeners that Garrett now cries. We broke the barrier. We cracked it. Yeah, it was painful, but he's a. He can cry now. I've seen him cry lots.
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Garrett Moreland
Peyton has seen me cry.
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Peyton Moreland
So we're making progress over here.
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Garrett Moreland
Not sure if it was a great thing, but here we are.
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Peyton Moreland
It was a beautiful thing.
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Garrett Moreland
Anyways, I will cry in front of you if you make my dream come true and I can hang out with a cub. It didn't have to be a cub. Okay? It has to be a cub. Has to be a baby cheetah cub. If I can hang out with it, if I can feed it, if I can help it, someplace that rescued one. I don't even know where to look. I don't know where to start. I will do almost anything.
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Peyton Moreland
You know how you can, like, adopt a dolphin.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
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Peyton Moreland
And you track it and stuff. Garrett wants to do that, but sponsor a cub.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah, but I want to. I want to be there with the cub.
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Peyton Moreland
Yes.
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Garrett Moreland
Anyways, I'm beating a dead horse at the moment.
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Peyton Moreland
Okay.
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Garrett Moreland
A bad phrase.
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Peyton Moreland
I am repeating myself. I am repeating.
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Garrett Moreland
There we go. I'm dragging this on. I'm repeating myself. Let's hop into today's case, which I hope has a baby cheetah covenant.
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Peyton Moreland
Our sources for this episode are Dateline Season 20, Episode 2, oxygen.com live5news.com ABC news.com wiztv.com postincurier.com charlestondaily.com sportskeeda.com and happyscribe.com now murder with my Husband. Listeners, trust is a tricky thing. I mean, it's one of the first instincts that we rely on in life. We trust that we are supported, that we are loved, that we are safe. It's how we're able to meet new people, make new friends and relationships. But trust is a delicate thing, because as we get older, we learn that not everyone is deserving of our trust, especially if you've had it broken before. But this wasn't something 28 year old Kate Waring believed in. In 2009, she was on a train when another woman sat down beside her and she and Kate started chatting. In fact, they really hit it off. And they would go on to become good friends. Kate even set her up with another one of her close buddies. But what Kate clearly didn't expect was for this woman that she met on the train to Go on and betray her trust so badly that it would actually cost her her life. So today we are headed down south to Charleston, south Carolina, where on May 5, 1981, Thomas and Janice waring welcome a little girl named Catherine, or Kate, as her friends and family call her. Now, Kate's a pretty lucky girl because she was born into wealthy people. They come from a good amount of generational wealth, Even have a house along the battery, which is a highly coveted street right along the ocean. So this all goes to say, the warings are well known and well connected in Charleston, and they have been for decades. And it certainly helps that Thomas, the father, is a prominent lawyer in the city. And Kate, being the only girl in her family, Sandwiched between an older and younger brother, had her parents eating out of the palm of her hand. She was the princess of the family in a good way. She got everything she wanted, from dance lessons to fancy birthday parties. But all that spoiling didn't affect Kate in the way it might have with other kids, because those who knew the waring said, while they had money, they were always very modest. They never stuck their noses up at anyone. And that kindness shined through Kate. She was sweet and friendly. She would go out of her way to make an outcast feel welcomed. She was also intelligent, maybe even to her own detriment, because school didn't exactly challenge Kate. It bored her to the point where it started to cause other problems for Kate as she entered her teenage years. Okay, so Kate's mother, Janice, Noticed her daughter had a tendency to run towards risk. Kate found herself experimenting with drugs and drinking at a fairly early age. And over the years, she struggled with those addictions, as well as eating disorders and depression. And when Kate started attending therapy, the family learned what the root cause of these issues had been. Kate had been sexually abused by someone that the family knew. And growing up, she did her best to work through her trauma and her coping mechanisms. And with the help of her parents, she pushed forward. This meant moving in and out of the house with them several times over the years.
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Garrett Moreland
It's sad that most sexual abuse cases are someone that the family knows or someone within the family. That's. That's horrible.
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Peyton Moreland
Especially because, you know, we had strangey dangey for so long, when in reality, the people who are most dangerous to you are closest to you in your life. Yeah.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
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Peyton Moreland
So Thomas, her father, even set Kate up with a bank account that he controlled so they could regulate her expenses together. And this sort of support from her parents actually really helped her turn her life around. Eventually, Kate went to University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. Well, Chapel Hill, where she joined a sorority. She even took a trip to Greece to participate in an archaeological dig in Crete. But there was one vacation that really changed the course of Kate's life. And I think this is ironic, considering what ended up being your 10 seconds and what you were asking for.
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Garrett Moreland
No way. It's. There is a cheetah cub in this story.
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Peyton Moreland
No. But in 2008, Kate and her father went to the Arctic to see polar bears.
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Garrett Moreland
Okay, I mean, I see what you're saying.
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Peyton Moreland
And during that trip, a Russian crew man commented on how quickly Kate was picking up his language, and he invited her to come visit him in Moscow. So she's in the Arctic, but she meets a Russian crewman, and he's like, hey, girl, come to Moscow with me. Which she did.
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Garrett Moreland
No way.
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Peyton Moreland
A few months later, and it seems there might have been a romance blossoming between the two, because after that trip.
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Garrett Moreland
Weird.
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Peyton Moreland
Kate planned to return the following spring to study Russian further. And this seems outlandish to us, but maybe if you grow up in a family with a lot of wealth and it's like, hey, let's go to the Arctic to see the polar bears and then hang out, and now I'm just going to go study there because I can, you know, that's true. Seems weird to us, but probably wasn't weird to her.
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Garrett Moreland
Like, this seems like a fairy tale. This is not real life.
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Peyton Moreland
So she's planning to return in spring. But In May of 2009, Kate went up to Washington, D.C. to try and catch a flight to Russia. Only she realized at that point that there was a problem with her visa. She'd have to go home, work it out, and reschedule her trip for when the paperwork was all sorted out. So Kate's obviously heartbroken. I mean, she'd had this huge plan, and literally the day of it doesn't work. But she wasn't going to let it set her back. She hopped the train from D.C. back down to Charleston, thinking she'll just take a college course there in the meantime, maybe even start that children's book that she'd been thinking about writing. But as Kate was sitting on that train from D.C. back to home, she was this close to getting out of the country, figuring out how to bide her time. A stranger sat down next to her. It was a woman named Heather Camp.
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Garrett Moreland
Okay, I don't. I don't know where this is going at all.
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Peyton Moreland
Perhaps looking for someone to vent to about her Recent upset. Kate and Heather started chatting intimately about their lives on that long train ride back to Charleston. And Heather told her she'd just had her own stroke of bad luck. She'd gotten her pocketbook stolen right before she got on the train.
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Garrett Moreland
What year are we in?
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Peyton Moreland
2009.
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Garrett Moreland
Okay. And maybe this is because I grew up on the West Coast. Maybe there's more trains on the East Coast.
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Peyton Moreland
Maybe. For sure, there's more trains on the East Coast.
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Garrett Moreland
But I'm just saying, like, they're talking about taking the train. Like, it's.
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Peyton Moreland
I think that train, it just must be in D.C. to everyone, it's a very.
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Garrett Moreland
I know I'm gonna sound uneducated, but we.
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Peyton Moreland
In the west, we're about to get slandered.
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Garrett Moreland
Slander me? I don't give a. No. When I lived in Spain for a few years, all I did was take the subway and the trains, but the public transportation on, like, the west coast, like, there ain't no subway in California.
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Peyton Moreland
Right?
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Garrett Moreland
Like, there's no. I mean, yeah, there's trains, but they're really not that great. I don't know. Anyways, just defending myself and also pointing something out at the same time.
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Peyton Moreland
Yes. So Heather's like, hey, yeah, I understand your visa. There's an issue. I just got my pocketbook stolen. And Heather told Kate she was a doctor, a pediatric surgeon who was actually moving to Charleston to work at the Medical University of South Carolina. And Heather's like, I don't really know anyone in the area. And since we're kind of hitting it off, maybe we should stay in touch. But Kate takes it a step further. She offered to help her get on her feet and lend a hand if she needed anything until she got her credit cards back. So Heather acted incredibly grateful. The two kept chatting after that ride to the point where Kate actually introduced Heather to one of her best friends, a guy named Ethan Mack. Now, Ethan and Kate had been close friends for a while. In fact, Kate said Ethan was like a big brother to her. He looked out for her. He protected her. And while it was strictly platonic between the two of them, Kate thought that her single friend Ethan might actually hit it off with Heather, this girl she'd met on the train who happens to be moving to Charleston. And Kate was right. So she introduces her new friend Heather to her old friend Ethan, and the two start dating. And things seemed pretty solid between them, even when Heather experienced a terrible tragedy. She said her young daughter back in New Jersey had passed away in a car accident. Now, Heather was a Mom. And she had a young daughter back in New Jersey, and she tells her new group of friends that her daughter had passed away in a car accident. Now, when Kate shares this devastating news about her friend Heather's daughter to her mother, Janice, Janice is suspicious. After interacting with Heather, she's like, she does not seem like a grieving mother in distress. And she also wasn't in a rush to get back to New Jersey to be with family. And it got even stranger to Janice when Heather told her a few months later her other child, her young son, had died of leukemia several years prior. So she's had two kids, one who's died in a tragic accident, one who's died of leukemia, and she doesn't live or hasn't been living with these kids.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
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Peyton Moreland
But Kate, her friend, she didn't see any reason not to believe Heather. She seemed to make her best friend Ethan happy. And the three of them practically became inseparable over the next few months. In fact, Kate's parents said that she seemed happier than she'd ever been before. And this was a feeling that persisted seemingly into June of 2009.
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Garrett Moreland
Interesting. Wouldn't you like start asking questions at some point or trying to get to know people on a deeper level? Right.
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Peyton Moreland
I mean, it's hard because this is the parents point of view of the friendship.
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Garrett Moreland
True.
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Peyton Moreland
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Garrett Moreland
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Peyton Moreland
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Garrett Moreland
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Peyton Moreland
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Garrett Moreland
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Peyton Moreland
So Friday, June 12, was a day like any other for Kate. That afternoon, she went to the gym. She stopped at a CVS pharmacy at around 8pm where security cameras showed her looking relaxed. She was buying wine and snacks while she waited for a prescription to get refilled. And then she met Heather and Ethan for dinner a short distance away at a Japanese steakhouse. And they spent a few hours there drinking, laughing, and having a good time. And that's when Ethan and Heather broke the news to Kate.
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Garrett Moreland
We are getting engaged. Wait, no. We're pregnant.
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Peyton Moreland
Heather was pregnant?
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Garrett Moreland
Yep.
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Peyton Moreland
And she and Ethan were going to have a baby. Kate was probably ecstatic for them. She was going to be an aunt, essentially, because these three are the three best friends. And at around 11:30pm they called it a night, and Ethan offers to drive Kate home. The following morning, though, Tom Waring went to check on Kate in her bedroom. Only Kate wasn't there. Her medicine was, though. Prescriptions for depression, anxiety and insomnia.
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Garrett Moreland
Holy crap.
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Peyton Moreland
This is.
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Garrett Moreland
If this goes where I think it's going, this is going to be wild.
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Peyton Moreland
This is medicine that Kate never left home for long without. So Tom and Janice called Kate repeatedly through the day to no avail. And by Sunday morning, with still no Sign from their daughter Kate. They start to suspect the worst, and they wonder if Kate might have fallen back into her old habits. Was there a relapse they needed to be concerned about? And usually in these cases, we cover. They're worried that someone has hurt their loved one. But these parents are worried that Kate might have gone back to her old ways.
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Garrett Moreland
Ah, I see.
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Peyton Moreland
And so they start calling around to Kate's friends and other family members. Only no one has seen her. Her. So they call local hospitals to see if Kate or any Jane does have showed up. There's nothing. But they figure, okay, their daughter at this point, is 28 years old. Maybe she just met someone and had, you know, kind of spent the night with him or was hanging out with him, gone off with him. Maybe she figured out her visa and she caught a flight to Russia after all. They'll give it one more day, See if Kate returns, see if anything changes. But it doesn't. So by Monday, June 15, they call the Charleston police department. By now, Kate's parents also realize she hasn't used any of her credit cards or bank accounts since the night that they last saw her. Remember, her parents had access to all of her finances, despite the fact she was 28, just as a protection. But that day, after filing a report with the police, they do get a phone call. It's Kate's bank. And they're calling with alarming news. The branch manager says someone came in trying to cash what looked like a forged check from Kate's checkbook.
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Garrett Moreland
For how much?
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Peyton Moreland
For $4,500. Only Kate had, like, barely a hundred dollars in that account at the time. So this is not exactly the news you want to hear when your daughter is missing. Yeah, but at least it might be a clue. Now, when Thomas Waring gets a hold of this check, he sees who it was made out to, his contact with the bank. He's like, tell me who.
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Garrett Moreland
Who.
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Peyton Moreland
Who got the check.
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Garrett Moreland
No way it's going to be made out to Heather.
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Peyton Moreland
Ethan. Okay, Ethan Mack. This is Kate's longtime best friend. And it was written on June 12, so the day Kate was last seen.
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Garrett Moreland
That's. It's crazy.
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Peyton Moreland
So they. The Warings, actually take this information to police, and they're like, okay, yes, we need a question, Ethan. This girl's missing. Someone tried to forge a check, and it is probably Ethan. Now, Ethan seems very willing to cooperate with the police, and he says, yes, he saw Kate on the night she went missing, June 12, when she gave him that check. He claims he had actually lent her a bunch of cash recently for a piece of jewelry that she wanted. And this check was her paying him back. And he had no idea that she didn't have enough in her account to cover it or he wouldn't have even tried cashing it in the first place. So, okay, this is possible. He also says after that dinner on Friday, he drove Kate home to her parents house on the battery and she got out of the car at around 11:45pm and he's like, honestly, I haven't heard from her since. But he's not concerned because he tells police, listen, it's normal for Kate to sort of disappear from time to time and not call or text him back. Now Ithan even lets police look at his phone and they see text messages that seem to confirm this exchange. Plus, when they ask, Ithan agrees to let them come and search the house that he's currently living in, the one that he shares with his mother. And they don't find anything of interest there either. So Ethan leaves the police station that day without being named a suspect. This is where it gets a little weird because he leaves the police station, he's not really a suspect. He does, however, after this call the Warings with an earful. He leaves them a voicemail on their landline. And he's not happy with Kate's parents. He tells them, all I ever did was look out for Kate, stop wasting your time and find out what really happened to her. He seems genuinely concerned about Kate, but he's also like, why did you not just talk to me about the check? Why did you go to police about the check?
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
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Peyton Moreland
So police at this point move on to a new witness. So in the investigation at this point, police are like, we got to talk to more people. We got to figure out what's going on in Kate's life. So they talk to people who might know her, like Kate's ex boyfriend, a guy named Howard Gatch. Howard and Kate had met at the gym she went to. He was a martial arts trainer, but was also in the middle of a pretty ugly divorce when he and Kate started dating. Now, on the day she went missing, Kate actually saw Howard. Since she didn't have a license, he gave her a ride to her therapist's office. She seemed in really good spirits, according to Howard, even when he saw her out and about about an hour and a half later at the gym. However, there was apparently an altercation that day because Howard's ex wife was also at the gym that afternoon. And some said that she and Kate had Exchanged words at the gym. Whatever was said, though, it wasn't enough to ruin Kate's entire day because we know she still went out to dinner with Ethan and Heather later. Apparently at 10:15pm that night, she even called Howard. And I'm not sure what they spoke about, but he said that wasn't the last time they chatted that night. According to Howard, at around 12:30am they spoke one final time, during which Kate tells Howard, her ex boyfriend, that she's still hanging out with Ethan and Heather. Now, that's about 45 minutes after Ethan claims that he had dropped Kate off at her home. So when police learn this, they're like, there's a discrepancy in the timeline. There's something fishy going on. Plus, Howard tells police when he talked to Kate that night slash morning, she sounded a little buzzed. And according to him, he warned her to be careful around Heather. Now, Howard had met Heather before, but according to him, there was something that just felt off about Heather camp. And when he had told Kate this, she laughed off his concerns. But later that night, he ends up getting a strange text from Kate. She said she was heading to Greenville to, quote, pick up some lovey. Now, whether that was drugs or something else, Howard didn't know, but by the time he inquired about it the following day, Kate was missing. She never responded. Police received another interesting tip, though. Around this time on June 12th, the last day Kate was seen, she also called her friend Jason Luck and left a voicemail. Now, in this message, Kate was ranting that someone had stolen her identity and they were trying to take credit cards out and her name. Now, this sort of lines up with what Kate had said to her father that same day. I guess this was right before she left for CVS and then dinner. She told her dad that she may have, quote, unintentionally gotten herself in trouble. And when Thomas Pride. Further, Kate wouldn't offer up any more details other than that. But her dad is thinking it was probably this, that someone had stolen her identity. Now, here's the thing. Police have all of this information, but they don't move forward on any of it for weeks. Despite how prominent the Warings are in Charleston, despite them being this sort of legacy family there, Kate's case honestly doesn't gain any steam.
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Garrett Moreland
Interesting.
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Peyton Moreland
In fact, it's the opposite. It kind of stalls out. Like, police have all these weird angles they could be looking into. This is suspicious. This is suspicious.
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Garrett Moreland
Nothing.
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Peyton Moreland
Kate knows a lot of people. There's been a lot of weird things happening. The Last day she was seen. But they do nothing. And the Warings aren't going to just sit around and wait for the Charleston PD to get some miraculous tip. So they decide to take their daughter's case into their own hands. Two months after Kate goes missing, the Warings hired their own star team of investigators to figure out where their daughter went and what may have happened to her.
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Garrett Moreland
I haven't said much because, I mean, I think I know where this is.
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Peyton Moreland
Going, but you're kind of getting torn every which way.
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Garrett Moreland
I'm kind of getting torn. I mean, I think that if I were to guess from everything so far, obviously it has something to do with Heather. And I'm kind of curious, like, who Heather actually is. Like, who's Heather?
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Peyton Moreland
So the Warings start with Andrew Savage. It's a local attorney who has an incredible group of people who can investigate the crime even when police aren't. And that includes former police officers James Randolph, Bill Capps, and Bobby Minter. Now, Bobby was sort of this known human bloodhound, Excellent at following a trail. And detective Bill was sort of this tech guy who could find almost anything on the Internet. And detective James was great for thinking outside the box, shaking things up and talking to witnesses. So one of the first people this team of three speak to is Kate's therapist. They see, hey, can you tell us anything? Like, is it. Was there anything weird going on in Kate's life? Can you let us know anything? And what they learn is Kate had been having issues with her old time friend Ethan ever since she had introduced him to Heather.
- [30:25]
Garrett Moreland
Okay.
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Peyton Moreland
Apparently, she had told her therapist that she was actually planning to distance herself from the couple. Despite the fact that these three had kind of become best friends, which clearly wasn't successful. She was still out with them on the night she disappeared. But the investigators learn something else the police didn't know, and that's that Ethan had lied to them about where he lived at the time of the disappearance. He wasn't actually living with his mother. He had recently gotten his own place with Heather Camp, his girlfriend on James Island.
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Garrett Moreland
It's crazy you would lie about that because now it's going to just blow up.
- [31:03]
Peyton Moreland
Right? And it's like you told the police, oh, yeah, come. I'm staying with my mom. But he's actually living with his girlfriends.
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Garrett Moreland
Because once they find out, instant suspect.
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Peyton Moreland
So.
- [31:11]
Garrett Moreland
Idiot.
- [31:12]
Peyton Moreland
So as this team of investigators learn, Ethan wasn't the only one keeping secrets in Kate's life. Heather, her best friend, she had met on the train that was dating Ethan had plenty of her own.
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Garrett Moreland
What a surprise.
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Peyton Moreland
In fact, she had been lying to Kate practically since the moment she met her back on that train.
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Garrett Moreland
Is her name even Heather?
- [31:33]
Peyton Moreland
So apparently Howard and Kate's mother, Janice were right about Heather. Remember, Howard's her ex boyfriend. Something was definitely off with this 31 year old woman. Because not only did she not have a license to practice medicine like she had said, she had an extensive criminal record for fraud. This takes one background. One background search, by the way. And get this. Unauthorized practice of medicine on a child.
- [32:04]
Garrett Moreland
Holy crap.
- [32:05]
Peyton Moreland
In 2009, Heather actually took a blood sample from a 6 year old girl she was babysitting. The parents, of course, pressed charges when they learned she wasn't actually a doctor. But the lies didn't stop with Heather's fake medical career that she had imagined. Despite what she told Kate and Ethan, she had been married before. And those stories about her children dying from leukemia and in a car accident, those were lies too? As far as any of the sources suggest, Heather's four children. So she had four. And they were all alive and well. She just kind of run to Charleston and started a new life. Apparently the fact that she was pregnant with Ethan's child at this time was also a lie. And this was one that Ethan was not privy to. In fact, I don't think Ethan knew any of this about the girlfriend he was living with.
- [32:58]
Garrett Moreland
Okay, wait, so you're telling me Heather's been lying about everything and Ethan has no idea?
- [33:03]
Peyton Moreland
Ethan has no idea. And Kate didn't either.
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Garrett Moreland
I just.
- [33:07]
Peyton Moreland
She catfished them.
- [33:08]
Garrett Moreland
I'm not. I believe that Ethan had no idea. But how do you have a significant other and like not know them?
- [33:14]
Peyton Moreland
Because people aren't manipulative and like, hey.
- [33:18]
Garrett Moreland
Let'S go visit your family. I don't know.
- [33:21]
Peyton Moreland
They just lie. They just keep the lies going and the lies going and the lies going.
- [33:24]
Garrett Moreland
Right. When I met you, first thing I did when I got home as I ran a background check on you.
- [33:28]
Peyton Moreland
Oh, and what came up?
- [33:30]
Garrett Moreland
I didn't actually.
- [33:30]
Peyton Moreland
In my bank account.
- [33:31]
Garrett Moreland
I didn't actually. If I would have known that. I'm just kidding. No, I didn't actually. But I'm just saying that's pretty crazy.
- [33:39]
Peyton Moreland
So Ethan doesn't know this, but literally these private investigators that the Warings had hired learned this immediately. And that's when they realized, okay, Heather is not who she says she is. Kate is missing, and we need to keep a closer eye on this. I mean, imagine the Warings telling these investigators her. Both her kids have died and she practices medicine and it's all lie, she's pregnant, blah blah blah. And they're like, no. She has four kids and they're alive and she's never practiced medicine. Like it's just, it would be gut wrenching. So after finding Heather and Ithan's new apartment, Detective Bobby convinces their landlord to help them out. He puts a little camera in the landlord's window which points directly to Ethan and Heather's place. His, his own little ring doorbell, if you will. And they also put a tracker on Ethan's car so they know where he is pretty much every second of the day. But what they find is while Ethan's away, you know, at work or wherever he's going during the day, Heather at home is actually sneaking over to the neighbor's house.
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Garrett Moreland
Okay.
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Peyton Moreland
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- [37:28]
Peyton Moreland
Consider, could this person Terry be involved in some way as well? But after a few weeks of watching Ethan and Heather to see if there's any other suspicious activity, they get a phone call from the couple's landlord. And he says, hey, the two haven't paid their rent, and if they don't, I'm going to evict them. Which is a problem because if they move, they might not be able to get this kind of surveillance on them in the next place. So Mr. Waring authorizes something. He agrees to pay the couple's rent as long as his detectives can keep surveilling them.
- [38:00]
Garrett Moreland
Okay.
- [38:00]
Peyton Moreland
And he's like, also, I'm kind of doing you a favor here. So, like, if I need anything from you, Mr. Landlord, please help me out. Yeah, please help me out. And after they grease his palms and pay the rent, they ask the landlord, hey, do you have anything in writing from the couple? We want to see if the handwriting matches up with that forged check Ethan was trying to cash. Did it come from our daughter? Did it come from them? And sure enough, the landlord hands over some IOUs that were written by the couple. And after turning that in the forged check over to a handwriting analyst, they say it's definitely a match. The check was written by Heather. There was no doubt about it. So now investigators are thinking, okay, if they have Kate's checkbook and she's missing, what else are they involved with? They need to step up their game. And they ask the landlord, hey, do you think we can tell the couple we need to spray for bugs to get into their place, get them out for a day while we go in and just kind of look around. And the landlord's like, yeah, go ahead, go into my house that I own and I'm renting to these people.
- [39:04]
Garrett Moreland
And you can. Illegal?
- [39:06]
Peyton Moreland
No idea. But maybe because it's the landlord's legal place, he can give permission to search the house.
- [39:12]
Garrett Moreland
I would assume not, but I don't know. I have no idea. Maybe.
- [39:15]
Peyton Moreland
I mean, you have to think about it. If it's like a hotel, you could have permission to search the room.
- [39:19]
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, I just think there's a little bit more rights behind renting, Leasing a place. But I don't know, some attorney lawyer out there let me know.
- [39:28]
Peyton Moreland
I'm gonna say, if it was illegal, they probably wouldn't have done it. They're. They're retired police.
- [39:32]
Garrett Moreland
I guess that's true. Because then they couldn't have used any.
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Peyton Moreland
Of that to hand over.
- [39:35]
Garrett Moreland
To hand over to evidence.
- [39:36]
Peyton Moreland
Yes.
- [39:37]
Garrett Moreland
Interesting. Okay.
- [39:39]
Peyton Moreland
So when the team gets into Ethan and Heather's apartment, they don't find any signs of Kate. But they do use this opportunity to go speak with the neighbor, Mr. Terry Williams. But they don't show up empty handed. Instead they arrive with a big bag of cash and they say, terry, look, we know you're also behind on your rent, and this could all be yours if you just tell us what happened to Kate waring. And that's when the door to his bedroom flies open.
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Garrett Moreland
No way.
- [40:06]
Peyton Moreland
Police are in there. And Heather camp comes storming out half dressed, Screaming at the investigators to leave. But while they're still in earshot, they hear Heather sneak a phone call to Ethan. She's telling Ethan that investigators were trying to get Terry to, quote, roll on us.
- [40:31]
Garrett Moreland
Us.
- [40:32]
Peyton Moreland
So that's when the investigators look at each other and they're like, ethan's definitely involved. And Ethan and Heather did something to Kate.
- [40:39]
Garrett Moreland
Holy crap. I can't believe Ethan's involved.
- [40:41]
Peyton Moreland
They now know that.
- [40:43]
Garrett Moreland
That's wild.
- [40:44]
Peyton Moreland
Police are onto them. Well, police, it's the private detectives. But that doesn't stop them from paying Terry another visit. And since he could really use that cash, he gives them something in return. And it's an ipod. One that Heather gifted him days after Kate disappeared.
- [40:59]
Garrett Moreland
It's Kate's ipod.
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Peyton Moreland
It was the same ipod Kate was.
- [41:02]
Garrett Moreland
Seen using at the gym way dude.
- [41:04]
Peyton Moreland
The day she vanished. To be sure it's Kate's, investigators pull the serial number off of it and confirm it was one that she purchased herself. It is Kate's ipod. So with all of this information, they decide now to go to the Charleston police, and they're like, hey, we've been working on this case. You haven't been. And here's all the evidence we've collected.
- [41:23]
Garrett Moreland
I'm even more confused. So Ethan knows who Terry is?
- [41:26]
Peyton Moreland
Yes.
- [41:26]
Garrett Moreland
So does Ethan know that she's sleeping with him? And maybe, maybe not.
- [41:29]
Peyton Moreland
Maybe she just was like, terry, the neighbor came over. You know what I mean? Like, sources obviously aren't saying what exactly.
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Garrett Moreland
Was said, but something's going on there.
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Peyton Moreland
Yes.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
- [41:39]
Peyton Moreland
So as this is going on, as the private detectives are going to Charleston police, Heather camp is trying to get ahead of the accusations. So she calls the Charleston police, too. So at the same time, Charleston police are hearing from the private investigators and from suspect number one, Heather. She's like, I have a confession to make, but not to murder. Heather admits, okay, I was the one who forged the check. And within a matter of days, both she and Ethan are arrested for forgery and obstruction of justice, but nothing related to Kate's disappearance. However, things start to fall apart when Heather shows up for her bond hearing in October 2009. Because now that she's separated from Ethan, with no way of contacting him, she starts to get worried. Is he going to talk? Should she talk before he does? That's when Heather goes to one of the members of the warings investigation team and says, look, I had nothing to do with Kate's murder, but I know where her body is buried. If I give you directions to her, can you help me with these charges? Next thing you know, Heather is giving them very precise directions to this spot on wadmalaw island, just south of Charleston. And that afternoon, the team follows her instructions down to the very tree where Heather told them to look, and they find nothing. So with the sun starting to set, they promise to return tomorrow. This time, they follow a new path. Sure enough, detective Bobby minter, the human bloodhound, spots something. This time, after only six minutes of searching the area, they find Kate waring's remains right where Heather said they'd be. Now, the investigators dial 911, because remember, they're PIs, they're not actually cops. But here's what's so shocking. When the police arrive, they actually separate the detectives, like the private investigators, and put them in the back of police cars. They treat these former officers who just solved their case, found this body, mind you, like criminals. They even seized bill capps, one of the investigators cars, and they brought all of them in for questioning. And while they are released that night, Bill has to file all of this paperwork to get his car back days later. Bill served 36 years as a police officer, so you can imagine how shocked he was to find this is how he was being treated when they went to police and said, hey, it's Heather and Ethan. And, hey, Heather called us and told us where the body is. Still, it seemed like their hard work paid off, because not only had they done what they promised, they were bringing Kate Waring home to her parents. Yeah, they were also able to get Heather Camp and Ethan Mack charged with murder. But the question still remained. Why did Heather and Ethan want to kill Kate? Well, once the prosecutors start looking into the case, they come up with a pretty good theory for the motive. Remember, Kate had told her father and some friends that she was in trouble and that someone had been trying to extend her credit limit and assume her identity to take her money. Oh, and prosecutors think Kate might have threatened to get her father involved. And that's when Heather and Ethan snapped. So Kate went to Heather and Ethan that night and said, hey, I know it's you guys. I know you're trying to take my money. I'm gonna get my dad involved. He's an attorney. And they freak out. It looked like prosecutors might get to confirm that theory when Heather agreed to plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter, forgery, and obstruction of justice charges, all for a shorter sentence. But with that deal, Heather also agreed to testify against her boyfriend, Ethan. And this was a day that came In October of 2010, when Ethan's trial began, during which Heather took the stand to offer up the full story of what happened to Kate Waring, or at least her version of those events. This is what she tells the jury on that night, June 12, she and Ethan brought Kate back to their James island apartment after dinner. Apparently, in the weeks leading up, Kate had threatened to go to her father if they took any money from her again. Yet it seems Kate thought they had cleared the air because she continued a friendship with Ethan and Heather, perhaps trusting that the past was behind them and they could start fresh. But Heather said Ethan had other plans for her. That night at their apartment, Heather says they dared Kate to see if she could fit into a suitcase. And that's when Ethan used a taser on Kate to render her unconscious. When that didn't work, Ethan hit Kate over the head with a wine bottle until she passed out.
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Garrett Moreland
What?
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Peyton Moreland
He then put the suitcase with Kate still inside of it.
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Garrett Moreland
Oh, my gosh.
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Peyton Moreland
Into a bathtub full of water.
- [46:11]
Garrett Moreland
Oh, my.
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Peyton Moreland
And he drowns her. Here's the thing, though. Heather changes her story, like, a lot on the stand.
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Garrett Moreland
Okay.
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Peyton Moreland
And jurors will. They are like, we can't trust this woman.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
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Peyton Moreland
Like someone.
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Garrett Moreland
She's been lying her whole life.
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Peyton Moreland
Not only is she a con man, someone who would stoop as low to say her children died when they're fully alive and would play doctor on strangers, even taking the blood of a child.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah. How do you trust her?
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Peyton Moreland
Ultimately, the jury wasn't convinced by her story. And so when it came time for Ethan's verdict, the jury found him guilty of obstruction of justice and forgery. But they couldn't reach a consensus on those murder charges because they're like, we can't. We don't know if this is actually what happened because we don't trust your star witness. And so it's a mistrial. Ethan was sentenced to 15 years for the forgery and obstruction of justice charges. And rather than go through the whole operation again, he decides to take a plea deal. In April of 2011, he was given an additional 25 years for involuntary manslaughter. And as for the lighter sentence that Heather was hoping to get for testifying against Ethan, well, that was actually taken off the table when Heather decided to change her story. So many times on the stand, they're like, you were not a reliable witness. You actually lost us this case. So instead, when Heather finally faced a judge in April 2011, she pleaded guilty, but mentally ill. She was given a longer sentence than Ethan. 39 years in prison.
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Garrett Moreland
Good.
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Peyton Moreland
But there's a lot of people who think, had the Charleston police handled Kate's case with more urgency, Heather and Ethan would probably be put away for life. Like, that. They didn't actually get as harsh of a sentence as they should have.
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Garrett Moreland
Okay, I see that.
- [47:55]
Peyton Moreland
Apparently, after Heather and Ethan were arrested, their apartment wasn't properly searched and was instead turned back over to the landlord lord to rent it out. It wasn't until weeks later that the Charleston police realized they had destroyed their own crime scene because Ethan and Heather had killed Kate at that apartment. So there really wasn't much evidence at all outside of those confessions and a few forged checks. They had no blood. They had no DNA. They had no weapon. When it came to trial, they had nothing to be like, no, for sure they did it. You have to wonder, would Kate have even been found had it not been for the investigators the Wearings had hired? Like, would this case have just ran cold? Would Heather and Ethan still be walking free? Because if it weren't for the PIs who solved Kate's case, Ethan and Heather could be out there right now preying on their next kind, compassionate and trusting victim. And might I say, not every victim has a family who can hire a team of really good private investigators to solve their loved ones case. And that is the case of Kate Waring.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah, 100%. It would not have been. Honestly might not have even been solved if they didn't get PIs involved. Which is crazy, right? Yeah. I don't know. Horrible. Extremely sad. I mean, Kate didn't do anything, man. They just. Ethan and Heather are just evil human beings. Ethan, out of all people too, kill.
- [49:25]
Peyton Moreland
His own best friend for money.
- [49:26]
Garrett Moreland
What a loser. Like what he just evil human being. I don't know, man.
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Peyton Moreland
I don't also think just Heather being a con man and lying from the start when Kate was nothing but nice to her on that train.
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Garrett Moreland
Yeah. Horrible.
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Peyton Moreland
Kate just put all her trust in her friends.
- [49:41]
Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
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Peyton Moreland
I also think it would be extremely frustrating as Kate's parents to know that the police did not take your daughter's disappearance very seriously. Didn't look into it very heavily. And then when the case was handed to them on a gold platter paid for by. By the Warings, they botched the investigation once again by not closing off the crime scene and actually finding proof. I mean, I know it's just a number of in prison, but at the same time as the family seeking justice, when you basically solve this case yourself, it's got to be extremely frustrating.
- [50:15]
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, I agree.
- [50:17]
Peyton Moreland
All right, you guys, we will see you next time with another episode. And I love it.
- [50:21]
Garrett Moreland
And I hate it.
- [50:21]
Peyton Moreland
Goodbye.
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Garrett Moreland
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