266. The Delivery Man Killings

Summary

Murder With My Husband: Episode 266. The Delivery Man Killings

Host: OH NO MEDIA
Release Date: April 28, 2025
Title: The Delivery Man Killings

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Introduction

In Episode 266 of "Murder With My Husband," hosts Peyton and Garrett Moreland delve into a chilling true crime case that spans across two states, intertwining the lives of legal professionals and revealing the dark motivations of a disturbed individual. This episode captures the harrowing details of the murders of Mark Angelucci and Daniel Andurle, both targeted by the same perpetrator under the guise of a FedEx delivery man.

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The First Murder: Mark Angelucci’s Tragic End

The episode opens with Peyton setting the stage for the first incident:

"Imagine hearing a knock on your front door one day. You see a delivery person in a FedEx uniform. It's a complete stranger just dropping off a package... But when you open the door, your entire life changes forever just because that stranger was out looking for revenge."
[06:06] - Peyton Moreland

Mark Angelucci, a 52-year-old men's rights attorney from Crestline, California, dedicated his life to advocating for men’s rights, notably representing men who were victims of domestic violence. On July 11, 2020, while enjoying a quiet Saturday at home, Mark was brutally murdered by a FedEx delivery man who unexpectedly pulled a handgun and shot him at point-blank range.

"The delivery man then ran back to his white car, got in, and sped off."
[10:19] - Peyton Moreland

Mark's death left the community and his colleagues in shock, as there were no immediate suspects, despite his involvement in high-profile legal cases.

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The Second Murder: Daniel Andurle’s Fatal Encounter

Just eight days later, on July 19, 2020, a similar tragedy unfolded in North Brunswick, New Jersey. Daniel Andurle, a 20-year-old law student and the only child of Esther Salas, a prominent judge, became the second victim. Daniel was shot by the same type of FedEx delivery man while opening the door for a package, resulting in his immediate death.

"His dad, Mark, suffered severe wounds to the stomach, but thankfully, he did make a full recovery."
[19:43] - Peyton Moreland

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Connecting the Crimes: Investigation Unfolds

The investigation took a crucial turn when authorities discovered a link between the two murders. In New York State, a 72-year-old attorney named Roy Den Hollander was found dead in the Catskill Mountains, with evidence tying him to the previous murders.

"So shortly after making this discovery, police also test the ballistics in the weapon that they found with Hollander at his crime scene. Sure enough, the bullets are a match."
[26:43] - Peyton Moreland

The ballistic evidence confirmed that Hollander was the common perpetrator behind both killings, revealing a pattern of targeting legal professionals.

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Profile of the Killer: Roy Den Hollander

Roy Den Hollander emerged as a complex antagonist with a deep-seated vendetta against the legal system, particularly targeting men’s rights advocates and feminist figures. His background painted a picture of a once-promising attorney whose career and personal life were marred by misogyny and obsession.

"Roy Den Hollander had a huge anger problem. He was a controlling, misogynistic, sexist, delusional, and disturbed individual."
[32:07] - Peyton Moreland

Hollander’s motivations were rooted in his defeatist view of society’s treatment of men, compounded by personal setbacks, including a failed marriage and a terminal cancer diagnosis.

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Murderer's Motives: A Life Driven by Vendetta

Hollander's manifesto, discovered posthumously, revealed his intense hatred towards women and his belief that men were systematically oppressed. His legal battles against women's studies programs and Ladies' Nights at bars highlighted his antagonistic stance.

"The only problem with a life lived too long under feminazi rule is that a man ends up with so many enemies that he can't even the score with all of them."
[36:31] - Peyton Moreland

His terminal illness appeared to catalyze his decision to execute his final acts of revenge, targeting those he deemed responsible or obstructive to his ideology.

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Conclusion and Aftermath

The Daniel Judicial Protection Project was established in the wake of these tragic events to safeguard public officials from similar attacks. Judge Esther Salas advocated for legislation to protect the personal information of public figures, aiming to prevent strangers from accessing their homes.

"Daniel's law was signed into effect. This bill is aimed at protecting public officials from having any of their personal information listed online."
[40:58] - Peyton Moreland

The episode concludes with a reflection on the senseless loss of innocent lives and the enduring impact on the victims' families and the legal community.

"It's just sad. The son had nothing to do with it. The husband had nothing to do with it."
[41:10] - Garrett Moreland

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Notable Quotes

• Peyton Moreland [06:06]: "Imagine hearing a knock on your front door one day... But when you open the door, your entire life changes forever."

• Garrett Moreland [10:43]: "Oh, my gosh."

• Peyton Moreland [19:18]: "His dad, Mark, suffers severe wounds to the stomach, but thankfully, he did make a full recovery."

• Peyton Moreland [35:06]: "He's not a good guy, people around him, no offense."

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Key Takeaways

• Antagonistic Legal Battles: Roy Den Hollander targeted legal professionals who represented or advocated for men's rights and feminist causes, indicating a motive rooted in ideological opposition.

• Investigation Complexity: The dispersed nature of the crimes across different states complicated the investigation, requiring FBI involvement to connect the dots.

• Legislative Impact: The murders prompted legislative action to protect the personal information of public officials, aiming to prevent future attacks.

• Psychological Profile: Hollander's actions were driven by a combination of personal grievances, ideological extremism, and terminal illness, showcasing the dangers of unchecked hatred and obsession.

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"Murder With My Husband" Episode 266 provides a gripping exploration of a calculated vendetta executed by a man who felt marginalized and wronged by the very legal system he once served. The hosts adeptly navigate the complexities of the case, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of the events and their broader implications.

Transcript

[Garrett Moreland]

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[Peyton Moreland]

You're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Hey everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Moreland.

[Garrett Moreland]

And I'm Garrett Moreland.

[Peyton Moreland]

And he's the husband.

[Garrett Moreland]

I'm the husband.

[Peyton Moreland]

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[Garrett Moreland]

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[Peyton Moreland]

You're repping.

[Garrett Moreland]

It's actually really comfy.

[Peyton Moreland]

I mean, my jammies, I don't have.

[Garrett Moreland]

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[Peyton Moreland]

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[Garrett Moreland]

Well, Peyton and I were in Vegas for my sister's volleyball tournament and it was really fun. Not going to lie. We had a good time. We just watched a lot of volleyball, we hung out. Made me want to coach volleyball. I want to be a coach. Should I be coach?

[Peyton Moreland]

It would be so fun.

[Garrett Moreland]

If you want to be on my volleyball team, say I on three. One, two, three. I.

[Peyton Moreland]

No, I wouldn't. Cuz you would yell at me.

[Garrett Moreland]

No, I'd be so nice. I'd be so nice.

[Peyton Moreland]

Like, why did you take that that ball?

[Garrett Moreland]

No, I'd be the best coach. That's about all I got. We were in Vegas, we hung out for a little bit. Now we're sitting down, recording and we're going to bring you guys a good episode. So buckle up. I have no idea what this case is about, but I'm ready.

[Peyton Moreland]

Our sources for this episode are CNN, Oxygen, Paramount Express, USA Today, latimes.com dailynews.com people6abc.com sbsun.com New York Post.com Daily Breeze.com and CBS News. Do you ever stop to think about how many strangers we come into contact with every single day? Whether that's passing someone in the Grocery store, running next to them on the treadmill at the gym, sitting next to them at a restaurant. There's so many people that we know absolutely nothing about, yet we have these little interactions with them almost mindlessly, all the time. Sometimes it's easy to forget that these people are also real people with their own lives, their own families, their own hopes and dreams and their own grudges and dark secrets. We never really stop to think about how a stranger's actions will affect us. Because most of the time they don't. Until they do. So imagine hearing a knock on your front door one day. You see a delivery person in a FedEx uniform. It's a complete stranger just dropping off a package. You aren't even thinking about them as much as you're thinking about what you ordered and what they're dropping off. But when you open the door, your entire life changes forever just because that stranger was out looking for revenge.

[Garrett Moreland]

This is why I don't open the door for anybody.

[Peyton Moreland]

Why I don't leave my house.

[Garrett Moreland]

I don't. If you come to my house, the door just doesn't get opened. No matter what. Door Dash Deliveries. Thank you. I appreciate all the delivery drivers that drop it off my doorstep. Really appreciate it. I will never open the door for you, but I love you so much.

[Peyton Moreland]

But it's more than that. It's bending down in the grocery store aisle to get the can in the back and there's strangers walking behind you that could literally just.

[Garrett Moreland]

I'm not that far gone.

[Peyton Moreland]

You should be.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah, I should.

[Peyton Moreland]

Okay, so let me introduce you to a 52 year old man named Mark Angelucci. So in 2020, Mark is living in Crestline, California. This is a small little mountain town in San Bernardino County. It's about two and a half hours outside of Los Angeles. Now, Mark's never been married. By 2020, he doesn't have kids. And that's because his entire life has been pretty much dedicated to his work. See, Mark is a high profile, well liked lawyer. And he's not the kind of attorney that's driving around in some fancy car wearing perfectly tailored suits all the time. Mark's a lot more down to earth. He prefers the quieter, more humble lifestyle, which is probably why he chose to even live up in the mountains. He's still got his old car that he's gonna drive into the ground. He's not flashy or materialistic according to any of his friends. He's just a fun loving, light hearted person who cares more about his close friendships than showing off. To strangers. But there is one thing about mark's career that some might find a little controversial. See, mark was a men's rights attorney. And I know in this day and age, that just sounds a little wrong in general. But everyone who knew Mark said he was never someone who was against women. In fact, he was very supportive of the feminist movement. But he found it important to look for places where men were maybe underrepresented in situations that mattered. For example, Mark was big on representing men who were victims of domestic violence.

[Garrett Moreland]

Interesting.

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah, I mean, there does need to be representation, actually. In 2008, he led a lawsuit against the state of California, claiming it was unconstitutional to exclude male victims from domestic violence resources. But he also fought for men who were, say, having a hard time getting the custody rights that they deserved, that sort of thing. Everyone needs someone in their corner. And for men who were struggling in certain cases, Mark was their guy. A lot of the time, he even took on cases pro bono. Now, aside from that, Mark was also the vice president of an organization called the national coalition for men, or the ncfm, which is a nonprofit civil rights organization aimed at fighting legal discrimination against men. So this is a big part of mark's life and his identity, to say the least. And while mark might have upset a few people along the way, no one anticipated what happened to him in July of 2020. So on the 11th of that month, Mark was enjoying a quiet little Saturday at home with a friend when a little before 4pm there was a knock at his front door. Mark's friend peered out the window and noticed it was a fedex delivery guy. While mark was busy, the friend opened the front door and offered to sign for the package, but the delivery person insisted that it had to be Mark's signature. So they waited patiently at the front door While the friend went to grab Mark. He came back ready to sign for the package and to then continue about his day. And this is when the fed x man pulled out a handgun and just shot mark point blank on his doorstep.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay.

[Peyton Moreland]

The delivery man then ran back to his white car, Got in, and sped off. And this is before Mark's friend has even really realized what happened. Like, he heard the bang. He didn't realize, though, that the delivery man had shot Mark that fast and then ran away. First responders arrived at Mark's home a little after 4pm that day, but it was too late to save him.

[Garrett Moreland]

Oh, my gosh.

[Peyton Moreland]

Mark was pronounced dead at the scene. And the only thing police really had to work off of was the fact that A white male dressed in a FedEx outfit driving a white car, pretending to be a delivery man had been the one who shot him.

[Garrett Moreland]

That's going to be hard to find, especially considering where he lives.

[Peyton Moreland]

Well, two things were sort of happening simultaneously here. There were both no suspects and dozens of suspects at the same time. Because while they had no Idea who this FedEx driver could have been and why he might have deliberately wanted Mark dead, Mark did have a lot of clients and cases he was working on where he was either representing or working against some pretty troubled people. I mean, anytime a lawyer is killed, you're gonna have a long list of suspects.

[Garrett Moreland]

I'm actually surprised this doesn't happen more. Not that I want it to happen more, obviously. I'm just saying considering the amount of cases lawyers take and high profile cases, low profile cases, just anything that has to do with someone dangerous, I'm also surprised that they don't give protection to any of the attorneys. But then that would be. That'd be hard.

[Peyton Moreland]

I think maybe some attorneys and really high profile.

[Garrett Moreland]

I guess it's no different than being like a police officer or in that line of work. Right? So.

[Peyton Moreland]

Well, it's just that, like, if you feel like you have had injustice against you and then there's someone actively working to keep that injustice against you, fight for the person who's hurt you. That is like, frustrating. I can imagine just sitting there being like, oh my gosh.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

Just feeling so out of control of this situation. So when this happens, Mark's friends confidently told police it was very likely that the person who had shown up on the doorstep and shot him was someone that he had worked with or was currently working with that probably has a grudge against him. But as police started to look into who those suspects might be, another tragedy happened. It was eight days later and 2, 800 miles away. So it's now July 19th, okay, in North Brunswick, New Jersey, about an hour and a half outside of New York City. And the Andurle family is having what starts off as a Lovely Sunday afternoon. 20 year old Daniel was a junior at Catholic University in Washington, D.C. but that year had been tough on him, like it had been for pretty much everyone in 2020 because of the pandemic. Daniel had spent much of this last semester just studying at home, missing his friends. But Daniel wasn't the type of kid to complain. He and his family were the sort of people to make the best out of any hand they were dealt. Daniel's mother, Esther, was born to a Cuban mother and a Mexican Father. And honestly, this woman was a hero in more ways than one. When she was younger, she literally helped her family escape from a house fire. Then she grows up and goes on to pursue a law career and becomes the first Latin US District Court judge in 2011, which is a huge deal. It was through her law career that she ends up meeting her husband, Mark Andrell, who went on to be a criminal defense attorney. Judge Salas, which is Esther's last name, was actually in charge of a pretty famous New Jersey case back in 2014. If you watch the Real Housewives of New Jersey, she was the judge assigned to Teresa and Joe's financial fraud case.

[Garrett Moreland]

I've never watched any episodes of anything. Real Housewives.

[Peyton Moreland]

Me neither. I just don't. I think a lot of people think I'm crazy for that, but. Never been my thing.

[Garrett Moreland]

I know. Never been my thing. Honestly, Peyton, I don't really watch reality tv. Everyone's always telling us to watch Love is Blind or what's the other one? Love Island. And I don't know. For some reason, we don't love reality tv. Huh?

[Peyton Moreland]

It's not that. It's just that there are other things I would rather watch more, and I'm. I don't spend a ton of time watching tv, and so I don't have enough time to then also do the reality tv.

[Garrett Moreland]

That's true. Like, right now, we're watching the Last of Us. The last. The Last of Us.

[Peyton Moreland]

Guys, you're. Garrett is struggling.

[Garrett Moreland]

I've cut a bunch out, but I'm struggling today. Wait, what's. This is Us? Did I make that up?

[Peyton Moreland]

No, that's the I feel like I can't family drama show right now, too.

[Garrett Moreland]

I feel like I have a.

[Peyton Moreland]

Remember Chris Shell's ex husband? He was on this Is Us.

[Garrett Moreland]

Oh, what's his name?

[Peyton Moreland]

Selling Sunset. Chris Shell. Justin.

[Garrett Moreland]

You mean the guy with Cindy Sweeney?

[Peyton Moreland]

No, that's Glenn Powell, but close. I'm talking about Justin Hartley.

[Garrett Moreland]

Wait, Glenn Powell is not Justin Harley? They kind of look like. Right? Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

I mean, yeah.

[Garrett Moreland]

Same.

[Peyton Moreland]

Same tomato, tomato, loaf of bread, I guess.

[Garrett Moreland]

Same loaf of bread. Okay. Thank you.

[Peyton Moreland]

Anyways, she was the judge for the Real Housewives of New Jersey.

[Garrett Moreland]

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[Peyton Moreland]

So all to say, Daniel, who is the only child of two very prominent people in law, decides obviously he's going to follow in their footsteps. So he's planning to go into law school once he graduates from Catholic University. But as I mentioned, it has been a while since Daniel has seen any of his friends, thanks to the pandemic. So earlier that summer, he asked his parents for a favor. Could some of his closest college friends come by and spend the weekend for his birthday if they promised to be super careful. And Esther and Mark say, yeah, sure. So on Friday, July 17, a handful of old pals stayed at the Andurl's house, spending the weekend laughing, reminiscing and having beautiful meals to celebrate Daniel's 20th birthday. Birthday. And when it came time to pack up their things that Sunday morning, the 19th, they thought it would only be a matter of time before they would all be reunited again at school. Little did they know, just a few hours after they would leave Daniel's home, everything would change. So that afternoon, there is another knock on the door of the Andurle family home. Now Mark peers out the window to see a FedEx delivery guy standing at their doorstep. Now he thinks to himself, it's a little odd for a delivery driver to be working on a Sunday afternoon. But he figures, I don't know, it's 2020. Nothing seems to be normal right now. So before Mark can even get to the door, Daniel, his son, who had been chatting in the basement with his mom darts upstairs to answer the door, and when he opens it, he finds a white man standing there in a fedex uniform Saying he has an envelope for esther. He asks daniel if she's home and if she can come to the door to sign for it. But before daniel can even make a move to go fetch his mom, the delivery man pulls out a gun.

[Garrett Moreland]

Jeez.

[Peyton Moreland]

His dad, mark, comes around the corner just in time to see his son raise his arms in the air, scream no. And then get shot and fall back onto the ground. So because daniel has gotten shot and is now on the ground, Mark, the dad, is now in the man's line of fire. So the gunman then points his weapon at the dad and fires three more times.

[Garrett Moreland]

What is going on?

[Peyton Moreland]

Well, it's at this point, obviously, that esther, the mom, darts upstairs to find her husband and son both bleeding out in her foyer. And the man who'd attacked them is now nowhere to be found. First responders were at the house within a matter of minutes. They placed mark, who was still breathing, on a gurney and rushed him to the hospital. But it was already too late for daniel. He was pronounced dead at the scene. Now, mark, his dad, suffered severe wounds to the stomach, but thankfully, he did make a full recovery. And while police weren't yet aware of the similar crime that had just been committed a week earlier in california, I mean, we're on two different parts of the united states. It would only be a matter of time before they found out because both of them are going to rope in the help of the FBI. Now, here's the thing.

[Garrett Moreland]

I mean, it's obviously the same guy, but why? Because one's an attorney, one's a judge.

[Peyton Moreland]

Well, I mean.

[Garrett Moreland]

I mean, I guess it's. I guess the legal system technically.

[Peyton Moreland]

So, yeah. Now, judge salas has, of course, gotten threats in the past. She's a high profile judge prosecuting big cases, so the occasional scary phone call or intimidating letter probably wasn't all that foreign to her. But this is certainly the first time anyone has acted on it. And she has no idea who it could be. While the FBI works to figure that out, they equip her with 24 hour protection from u. S. Marshals. So they're pulling out the big guns for this, Especially because they aren't sure if this is one person or an entire group of people targeting her family. So the FBI is mentally preparing themselves for what they think is going to be a doozy of a case. They're getting ready to start collecting any shred of A threat that's been sent to the judge in the past. When the following day, the FBI hear about another death that happened 150 miles away in New York State's Catskill Mountains. So this is now the third death in this case. On July 20th. This is just the day after Daniel's death and Mark's shooting, New York State troopers receive a call about a suspicious vehicle sitting on a dead end road in Sullivan County, New York. Sure enough, when they arrive at the scene, they find the vehicle is abandoned. But they also discover that just a few steps away is a dead body lying in the grass. And this man has been shot in the head. And he has his wallet and his ID on him. It's a 72 year old man named Roy Dan Hollander. But they find something else at the scene, sort of covered in the brush. It's a semi automatic pistol. And from the direction of the wound, investigators are pretty sure that the shot was self inflicted in this case. Now, the name Roy Den Hollander doesn't ring any bells for police. It doesn't seem like he's on any sort of suspect or wanted list at the time. But a quick background search on Hollander reveals he's also an attorney, though he's from New York City. So the question now is, why would an established lawyer with a big career come all the way up to the Catskills to die by suicide? Well, one of the officers on this case, Captain Brian Webster, starts asking this exact question. But once they start rifling through Hollander's car, things become even clearer. So probably the most telling clue was that Hollander had a FedEx envelope sitting in his car that was addressed to Judge Solace in New Jersey. And Captain Brian Webster, well, he watches the news. So this name sets off a bunch of alarm bells for him because he's been following the story over the last 24 hours about how a prominent New Jersey judge and her family was targeted by a FedEx worker at their home. So once he sees that FedEx envelope, he's thinking, wait, I might have the suspect in this case, but he's now our victim in this case.

[Garrett Moreland]

Interesting.

[Peyton Moreland]

So he alerts the FBI right away. Oh, and by the way, a.38 handgun like the one that was found right by the deceased. Hollander is the same weapon used in the attack on the family. So, I mean, one plus one equals two. Yeah, but that's not the only telling thing police find in the vehicle. They also discover a piece of paper with an address for a home in the mountains. Just Outside of Los Angeles, a home in San Bernardino belonging to Mark Angelucci.

[Garrett Moreland]

You know, it's our first victim. So sad that the. The woman in this case, like her son, just got killed because of a case she's working on. Esther, that sucks.

[Peyton Moreland]

So I do want to just be clear. We have two marks.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

The first victim is Mark Angelucci.

[Garrett Moreland]

No one said dad.

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah. Yep. And the second one is the husband who was shot is alive. Now, the FBI gets in touch with the police in that district because they're like, why does this paper have this name on it? And then they learn about Mark's murder because, remember, at that time, the crime was still being investigated by local police forces. They didn't have a single person on their suspect list over in California. So as they're putting the pieces together, they're feeling pretty confident, okay, we think these three crimes are connected, or these three deaths, if you will, are connected.

[Garrett Moreland]

I feel like it'd be pretty. I'm not a cop or detective, but I should be on the jury. Besides the point, I feel like it'd be pretty easy to be like, okay, what cases has this judge worked? What cases has this attorney worked? Bada bing, bada boom.

[Peyton Moreland]

They're also like, not only are these all connected, we're pretty sure Hollander shot himself. So now we're thinking the guy. Yeah, but then why did he shoot himself? But it's on the opposite side of the country. So did he act alone? Is there more people? Is this a group of people who are attacking lawyers or judges? Seems to be the former because they find evidence that Hollander had taken a train out west to San Bernardino on July 7, four days before Mark Angelucci's murder. Got there, rented a car. It's a car with the same description as the one that showed up at Mark's house that day. And then he fled back to Los Angeles, dropped off the rental, and got back on a train at Union Station to come east. So this is just even more damning because they have proof he went to California. So Hollander is captured in surveillance footage at both train stations, LA and San Bernardino.

[Garrett Moreland]

It seems open and shut.

[Peyton Moreland]

He's walking in this footage with a coffee in his hand, but it confirms exactly when he arrived and left. This just fits the timeline of the crimes. So shortly after making this discovery, police also test the ballistics in the weapon that they found with Hollander at his crime scene.

[Garrett Moreland]

I guess, if you will, it's self induced crime scene.

[Peyton Moreland]

And they run it against the one that shot both Daniel and Mark. Sure enough, the bullets are a match. So the FBI is certain we have our guy. And we know that he was very likely working alone in this. But now we need to know why. Roy Den Hollander wasn't some hardened criminal or someone down on their luck whose life was made harder by either Judge Salas or Mark Angelucci. He was just another human to them. So why would he want both of them dead? By the way, this mystery only deepens with some of the other pieces of evidence found in his car because Hollander appeared to have made some sort of hit list. Police also discovered a photo of a New York chief judge named Janet DeFore. There was also another address for a state appeals courthouse in his car. So now they're wondering, was this someone Hollander had planned to get to and just couldn't? And an address for a courtroom could mean anything. But with Hollander's history and agenda, was he planning to just go in there and open fire on a room full of people? It just seems like there's a ton of what ifs surrounding Hollander. The one silver lining is that he can't hurt anyone anymore. They're pretty sure they have their guy. But all of these targets being court related are a bit telling to investigators. Clearly, Hollander was someone with a grudge of vendetta. And the only way to get to the bottom of it is to dig deeper in to Roy's life. So the day after police find Hollander dead, they're in his New York City apartment confiscating every shred of evidence they can to unravel this mystery. They're also speaking to anyone and everyone they can get to who might have known or worked with Hollander at some point and this is what they find.

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[Peyton Moreland]

The rumors are a hundred percent true. Push up bras are officially back and I am so here for it. I talked about this on YouTube last week, but I have the ultimate balcony push up bra from Skims. And I'm going to be honest with you, I initially chose to get this bra because the straps are a little wider on my shoulders and I have a couple shirts that go out that wide and sometimes my straps show. So I was like, okay, I'm going to get the ultimate balcony push up bra so that I can wear it with these shirts. Okay.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

But then the bra showed up, I put it on and I was like, oh no, I'm. This isn't actually only going to be worn with my wide cut shirts because this is the best push up bra I have ever owned. It makes the girls look fake. It looks like I just stepped out of the plastic surgeon's office. Okay. I don't know what they put in this skims bra, but it makes the girls look good. Shop the Skims ultimate bra collection and [e-mail] and then after you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. One former friend named Jeffrey Drummond says that Hollander was actually a good lawyer. He was a scary guy, though. When he hears that his friend is responsible for not one, but two high profile murders, he's like, yeah, that doesn't really surprise me. This guy Hollander had a huge anger problem. See, Jeffrey met Hollander back in 1977 when they were both volunteering for a state senate campaign out of Boston. They both then moved to New York around the same time, three years later. So the two kept in touch, being in a new city and all. But eventually, Jeffrey says he started to put distance between them. He said Hollander was toxic, always extremely angry about life in general, and was just the kind of unpredictable person you never really wanted in your life.

[Garrett Moreland]

Also kind of ironic considering he's an attorney trying to get away with murder.

[Peyton Moreland]

Murder.

[Garrett Moreland]

He should also know that it's extremely difficult to get away with murder.

[Peyton Moreland]

I'm not sure he was trying to get away with it. I think he was just trying to get his anger out considering that he then took his own life. And here's the thing. They interview another one of his friends, Joe, and he said pretty much the same thing. Joe and Hollander actually met in Moscow in 1999. Joe was working for an American consulting firm there, and that year Hollander also joined the team. Now, I'm not sure if the job was what brought Hollander out to Russia, but I know Joe was Pretty impressed by Hollander's past because Hollander was actually a really intelligent guy. He had worked at prestigious law firms back in the United States and had an MBA from an Ivy League school. Plus, Hollander really seemed to keep up with his appearance because he worked out all the time. He was dyeing his hair a lot. So Joe thought, for a 50 year old single guy, this is someone who has a lot going for him. He's smart, he's handsome. And Hollander seemed to think so too because he was always out in the nightlife scene in Moscow looking for women to date.

[Garrett Moreland]

All right.

[Peyton Moreland]

In fact, Joe said it almost seemed like an obsession for Hollander. All he wanted to do after work was go out, drink and pick up a new woman. And in that nightlife scene In Russia, the 50ish year old Hollander met a 24 year old model named Alina. The two had a whirlwind romance and got married in Russia in 2000. Then when Hollander moved back to the States, she came with him under a temporary visa. 90 day fiance and 25 years in between them. But after they got back to New York City that summer, things started to go south. Alina began filing complaints with the police saying Hollander had become abusive. Meanwhile, he argued she was just using him to get a green card. And by December of 2000, less than a year after getting married, the two were officially divorced. Later, Hollander would argue that Alina falsely accused him of abuse just so she could stay in the States under the Violence Against Women act, which does offer those sorts of protections and can help survivors petition for immigration status. Here's the thing, though. People who knew Hollander believed Alina weren't surprised because Hollander always had this sort of lack of respect, or honestly rather, total disdain for women. He was openly anti feminist and he used his skills as a lawyer to argue a lot of things that he felt were inherently favorable towards women. But as a fellow lawyer, Nicholas Mundy told the Post, quote, in my opinion, he was already a controlling, misogynistic, sexist, delusional and disturbed individual before his marriage failed.

[Garrett Moreland]

Dang.

[Peyton Moreland]

So this is just the type of he's not a good guy, people around him, no offense. Yeah. And then in the 2000s, friends noticed that Hollander was starting to call women by a new name. So instead of calling them women, he started calling them feminazis.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay, this guy's weird.

[Peyton Moreland]

So the angry anti feminist remarks got less subtle, more consistent from there, which would make sense considering some of the cases he started taking on at this point in his career, like this one in 2008, he sued Columbia University for providing women's studies classes. He claimed it was bigotry against men. And he won that lawsuit, by the way.

[Garrett Moreland]

He won?

[Peyton Moreland]

Yes. He also filed a handful of lawsuits against bars for having Ladies Nights. He said they violated the 14th amendment that says everyone should have equal protection.

[Garrett Moreland]

A life. That's embarrassing.

[Peyton Moreland]

He's basically saying the fact that you're giving women a discount to get into the bar and not men is prejudicial. So it was sort of trivial nonsense that Roy Den Hollander was wasting his law degree fighting for. But in Hollander's eyes, his fight against women seemed to be a cause worth dying for. And this all appeared to stem back to his mother. Apparently, at one point in his career, Hollander wrote a book and dedicated it to his mother, writing, may she burn in hell.

[Garrett Moreland]

Holy crap. What is going on?

[Peyton Moreland]

This was a lifelong crusade for Mr. Hollander, something that was made apparent to police when they discovered a 2000-page manifesto in his apartment.

[Garrett Moreland]

2000.

[Peyton Moreland]

I can't even begin to page manifesto all of the details, but as you can imagine, a lot of this manifesto had to do with how much he hated women.

[Garrett Moreland]

It's embarrassing.

[Peyton Moreland]

It kind of signaled why he had driven from New York up to the middle of nowhere to die by suicide. Apparently it had to do with the fact that his family had a cabin there when he was a little boy. You're probably wondering, okay, why the heck did he pick these people? Like, why travel all the way across the United States to shoot one person? Especially because Mark was a male rights activist. This would seemingly be right up Hollander's alley, so you'd think they'd be in the same corner. Not really. Let me start with Mark. Yes, they may have had a similar line of work, but turns out Hollander actually had a grudge against this man for years. And it appeared to be over something that seems small, I guess. Mark had filed a lawsuit alongside the National Coalition of Men around 2014, and Hollander had already been working to file a very similar lawsuit. So now he's like, even though we're fighting the same battle, you are now my competition.

[Garrett Moreland]

Because you were first.

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah, because you're fighting the same battle as me.

[Garrett Moreland]

What a guy, man. What a guy.

[Peyton Moreland]

And to make matters worth worse, Hollander was a board member of the NCFM at the time. But he was kicked out a year later in 2015, because he called the president of the NCFM, Harry Crouch, and threatened his life. After Hollander learned he'd been left out of that lawsuit that Mark was now filing. So he's literally just petty.

[Garrett Moreland]

It's such a cowardly move to kill people and then kill yourself. Yeah, like, it's such a cowardly move.

[Peyton Moreland]

Now, Mark Angelucci had received a handful of threats from Hollander over the years, but apparently didn't know they were coming from him. Or if he did know they were coming from Hollander, he didn't tell anyone. So, all right, we now know his motive for Mark. But why judge solace and her family. In 2015, Hollander filed a lawsuit that judge sallis was overseeing. The case argued that selective service registration was only required for males. So basically, if there's ever a draft for the war, only men are included in that. But Hollander argued that's discriminatory. Discriminatory?

[Garrett Moreland]

Oh, no, man.

[Peyton Moreland]

Hollander saw this case as a huge milestone for his career. I mean, if he could change this law, he would literally change American history. But judge solace was a roadblock to that because she kept delaying the case. Apparently, there were so many postponements that in 2019, Hollander had to turn the case over to a larger New York firm because he claimed something had come up in his life that would preclude him from doing his job.

[Garrett Moreland]

And that's when he started killing people.

[Peyton Moreland]

Roy Dan Hollander, at this point in 2019, had just been diagnosed with cancer.

[Garrett Moreland]

Now it all makes sense. He figured he was gonna die anyways.

[Peyton Moreland]

Might as well go out. That's taking everyone down with him. Okay, it was terminal. Treatment would only be in vain. I'm not sure how long they gave him to live, but the way he saw it, he wasn't going to go out alone. In that manifesto, Hollander confessed that the diagnosis motivated him to go after those he felt had wronged him. In his writings, he included the quote, the only problem with a life lived too long under feminazi rule is that a man ends up with so many enemies that he can't even the score with all of them. But law school and the media taught me how to prioritize. And unfortunately, Mark angelucci and judge Salas were some of his top priorities. Though it wasn't judge Salas who lost her life that day. It was her son Daniel and nearly her husband Mark as well. Judge solace felt that a major part of the problem was how easy it was to access her information online. Thanks to a quick Google search, Roy was able to find his way directly to her doorstep. And in November 2020, she pushed for legislation to change that. That month, Daniel's law was signed into effect. This bill is aimed at protecting public officials from having any of their personal information listed online. Judge Salas's hope is that no judge, attorney, or lawmaker will ever have to worry about a stranger showing up at their doorstep again. She wants to make sure that none of her colleagues ever have to go through the heartbreaking devastation her family went through when they lost their only son. If you want to make a contribution to the victims of this case and their cause, you can visit the Daniel judicial protection project's website at www.judicprotection.org. and that is the murders of Mark Angelucci and Daniel Enderal.

[Garrett Moreland]

It's just sad. The son had nothing to do with it. The husband had nothing to do with it.

[Peyton Moreland]

I mean, obviously, she didn't have anything.

[Garrett Moreland]

No, she didn't have anything. But, I mean, like, there was motive. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying, just. I mean, they're all innocent bystanders, basically, but the sun's just opening the door.

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah.

[Garrett Moreland]

Like, what the. And I'm sure.

[Peyton Moreland]

And it's weird that at his first murder, he waited for the correct person.

[Garrett Moreland]

And this time he didn't even care. And this time I think that because of the cancer, he just.

[Peyton Moreland]

I think he was just. Well, he loved a negative, grumpy, angry person so much, Constantly played the victim and had rage and thought, you know, what, If I'm gonna die, so are other people, which is honestly just like, the wor type of person.

[Garrett Moreland]

It's horrible.

[Peyton Moreland]

You're just grumpy. Like, you're just a bad person.

[Garrett Moreland]

If you're grumpy and you're listening to this, go do something else.

[Peyton Moreland]

Well, if you're grumpy because, like, you didn't get to have a cookie, that is. Makes sense. And that's okay. But if you're grumpy because you're. You hate women, you should go to therapy.

[Garrett Moreland]

Wild.

[Peyton Moreland]

All right, you guys, that is our episode for this week, and we will see you next time. Time with another one.

[Garrett Moreland]

I love it and I hate it.

[Peyton Moreland]

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