280. Idaho Murders A-Z

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Murder With My Husband" - Episode 280: Idaho Murders A-Z

Host/Author: OH NO MEDIA
Release Date: August 4, 2025
Duration: Approximately 64 minutes

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Introduction to the Case

Timestamp: [02:36]

In this gripping episode, hosts Peyton and Garrett Moreland delve deep into the harrowing case of the Idaho Murders A-Z, a series of brutal homicides that shook the University of Idaho community. The episode focuses on the tragic events that unfolded on November 13, 2022, when four young adults lost their lives at the hands of Brian Coburger, a 28-year-old man whose motives remain largely unexplained.

Background of the Victims

Timestamp: [09:08]

The victims, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalez, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, were vibrant college students with promising futures. Maddie, a marketing senior from Coeur d’Alene, was known for her loyalty and strong friendships. Kaylee, from Rathdrum, was preparing to move to Austin, Texas, after graduation. Zanna, a strong-willed individual from Idaho and Arizona, was in a relationship with Ethan, a fraternity member and former basketball player majoring in recreation, sport, and tourism management. The hosts emphasize the close-knit nature of their friendships and the sudden, senseless loss that left the community devastated.

The Night of the Murders

Timestamp: [09:08] - [30:49]

On the night of November 12, 2022, the roommates were preparing for Thanksgiving break. While some attended a party at Ethan's fraternity house, others were out at a sports bar. By 4:00 AM, Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funk, the surviving roommates, were awakened by strange noises and a sighting of a masked intruder. Despite their fear, they initially dismissed the possibility of a violent intrusion, attributing the noises to drunkenness or frat pranks.

As the morning progressed, the absence of their friends became alarming. Upon discovering Zanna unconscious in her room, panic set in, leading them to call 911 under the mistaken belief that their roommate was merely intoxicated. When authorities arrived, they found the horrifying scene: Zanna and Ethan had been brutally murdered, and later, Kaylee and Maddie were discovered in Maddie's room. The lack of immediate screams or overt signs of struggle perplexed investigators and fueled public confusion.

Peyton Moreland [29:20]: "What would have been presented in court? What fate might the jury have chosen for Bryan Kohberger?"

Investigation and Arrest

Timestamp: [33:59] - [54:47]

The investigation quickly turned intense as police scoured surveillance footage, discovering a white Hyundai Elantra repeatedly circling the crime scene around the time of the murders. This vehicle was traced to Brian Coburger, a graduate student from Washington State University. Further evidence linked Coburger to the scene:

• Cell Phone Data: Coburger's phone was turned off at 2:47 AM and turned back on at 4:48 AM near the crime scene.
• Surveillance Footage: He was seen speeding away from the house shortly after the murders.
• Social Media Activity: Coburger had a history of stalking the victims on platforms like Instagram, increasing suspicions of a targeted attack.
• Forensic Evidence: DNA extracted from a knife sheath found at the scene matched Coburger's genetic profile through genealogical databases.

Despite initial denials and attempts to discredit the evidence, the mounting proof led to his arrest on December 30, 2022, in Pennsylvania.

Garrett Moreland [55:27]: "I don't get that personally. I don't get standing up. I don't get wanting to defend your kids."

Details About the Suspect

Timestamp: [36:27] - [41:47]

Brian Coburger's background revealed a troubled history marked by mental health struggles, including suicidal thoughts, depression, and substance abuse. His academic pursuits in criminal justice and his fascination with forensic science hinted at a deeper, more sinister inclination towards understanding and possibly emulating criminal behavior. Prior to the murders, Coburger exhibited troubling behavior, such as purchasing a K-bar knife and engaging in disturbing online discussions about crime motivations.

The Plea and Its Implications

Timestamp: [43:05] - [44:44]

As the trial loomed, Coburger's legal team grappled with the potential death penalty, prompting him to plead guilty to all charges in July 2025. This plea deal secured him four consecutive life sentences, sparing him from execution but also preventing answers to critical questions about his motives and the specifics of the crimes. The hosts reflect on the impact of this decision, highlighting the frustration and lack of closure it leaves for the victims' families and the public.

Peyton Moreland [44:44]: "In making that plea, that means that he did not, in a court for the public or the victim's families, have to give a motive or any sort of statement or story regarding that night and why he did what he did."

Evidence Presented in the Trial

Timestamp: [45:31] - [56:45]

Had the trial proceeded, the prosecution's case against Coburger was robust, built on circumstantial and forensic evidence:

1. Surveillance Footage: Multiple captures of Coburger's vehicle near the crime scene around the time of the murders.
2. Cell Phone Records: Inconsistent phone activity suggesting Coburger's presence at the scene.
3. Social Media Activity: Evidence of stalking behavior targeting the victims.
4. Forensic DNA: Match between Coburger's DNA and the knife sheath found at the scene.
5. Possession of a K-bar Knife: Purchases and searches for similar weapons post-murders indicated premeditation.
6. Behavioral Indicators: Selfie taken after the murders and scratch marks reported by friends hinted at a disturbed mindset.

The hosts argue that this combination of evidence painted a clear picture of Coburger's guilt, making the case for a strong prosecution that might have secured the death penalty had he not pleaded guilty.

Peyton Moreland [54:47]: "They had Brian Coburger's DNA on the knife sheath that was left at the crime scene. That's why three days later, on December 30, they were able to finally arrest him."

Victim Impact Statements

Timestamp: [60:33] - [64:35]

A particularly poignant moment in the episode is the recounting of Kaylee Gonzalez's sister's powerful victim impact statement during Coburger's sentencing. Her words resonate deeply, expressing profound anger and disbelief:

Kaylee's Sister:
"I won't stand here and give you what you want. I won't offer you tears. I won't offer you trembling disappointments like you thrive on pain, on fear, and on the illusion of power.
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Your patterns are predictable. Your motives are shallow. You are not profound. You're pathetic.
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The truth is, you are as dumb as they come. Stupid. Clumsy. Slow. Sloppy. Weak. Dirty.
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If you were really smart, do you think you would be here right now? What's it like needing this much attention just to feel real?"

The hosts commend the statement for its raw honesty and its effectiveness in condemning Coburger's actions without providing him the validation he sought through his crimes.

Conclusions and Reflections

Timestamp: [64:35] - End

Peyton and Garrett reflect on the lingering questions surrounding Coburger's motives and the challenges in understanding such senseless violence. They emphasize the importance of remembering the victims and supporting their families, while also critiquing systemic decisions, such as the demolition of the crime scene house before the trial concluded. The episode underscores the tragic loss of young lives and the enduring quest for answers in the wake of incomprehensible brutality.

Peyton Moreland:
"Please remember their names. Remember their families. Keep them at the forefront. Remember that all four of these victims were more than just the Idaho four murder victims."

Notable Quotes

• Peyton Moreland [06:15]: "Murder with My Husband under Podcast."
• Garrett Moreland [04:52]: "Can I say nipples?"
• Peyton Moreland [26:13]: "It was terrifying to think of four people just being killed so brutally."
• Garrett Moreland [30:39]: "I'm just being curious at this point."
• Peyton Moreland [43:43]: "I think it probably matters most what the victim's families felt about this."

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Closing Thoughts

"Murder With My Husband" Episode 280 serves as a comprehensive exploration of the Idaho Murders A-Z case, combining meticulous research with empathetic storytelling. The hosts effectively balance factual recounting with thoughtful analysis, providing listeners with a nuanced understanding of the events and their broader implications. This episode not only honors the memory of the victims but also invites reflection on the complexities of criminal justice and the human psyche.

Transcript

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[Peyton Moreland]

You're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Hey everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Peyton Moreland.

[Garrett Moreland]

And I'm Garrett Moreland.

[Peyton Moreland]

And he's the husband.

[Garrett Moreland]

And I'm the husband.

[Peyton Moreland]

I have the most super exciting fun news for you. When Garrett told me that he was designing Murder with My Husband hats, I was like, well, I want to design something too. That would be fun. So I began working on a Murder with My Husband coloring book. And if you know me at all, you know that I love coloring. I'm a little connoisseur. I'm not actually very artistic, but I do enjoy coloring. And so I've been working on this book. It's basically a journey with Garrett, Daisy and I trying to solve a mystery that's kind of like the story of the coloring book. I made it kind of bold so it's easy to color. It's not front and back so you can use markers on the other side if you want. You could get it for your kids. You can get it for you. Honestly, it's just super cute. Daisy is so cute as a little detective with her little spy glass. It's adorable. But yeah. So those are available now. If you want to go check it out.

[Garrett Moreland]

There will be links everywhere. You can check it out. It's really cute. Payton did a good job. You guys should go check it out.

[Peyton Moreland]

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[Garrett Moreland]

It has come with some colored pencils. You can use markers as well. She made it one sided so that you can put something behind it so nothing will bleed through. Really cute. Go check it out. There'll be links everywhere. Yeah, I'm proud of her.

[Peyton Moreland]

Honestly, it's kind of just silly and little, but it's so cute and fun. I had fun doing it.

[Garrett Moreland]

It's really cute. If you're listening and you're thinking about turning the episode off right now, you are not going to want to because we have something that has been highly requested the last year. I would say you're not gonna wanna miss this. But first, I guess I have my 10 seconds. I can't remember, did I say. Oh no. I don't think I've said this yet. I narrowed my upper body the other day and I've never used Nair on my upper body. Just like I've done it one too far on my legs. I grow a lot of hair on my legs and you guys Might think, oh, my gosh. Do you? No. Like, I look like a bear. Do I not?

[Peyton Moreland]

Yep.

[Garrett Moreland]

Like, I grow some crazy hair on my legs. So, like, two times a year, I'll Nair my legs start fresh. First time I decide it's near my body. I didn't know that I couldn't put it on my boobs.

[Peyton Moreland]

Nipples.

[Garrett Moreland]

Can I say nipples?

[Peyton Moreland]

Yes.

[Garrett Moreland]

All right. I didn't know that I couldn't put Nair on my nipples. I burnt. I burnt. My freaking nipples hurt. I had to go play pickleball the next day, and I had to put band aids on my nipples. And anyways, if you are listening to this or watching this, do not put Nair on your nipples. It's not worth it, and it's ineffective.

[Peyton Moreland]

But it does work on your chest.

[Garrett Moreland]

But it did work on my chest. I was fine. Like, it didn't burn any other part of my body. Just something new I learned. Just in case anyone else was curious, I did it for you, so don't do it. That's my 10 seconds. Nothing too crazy. I think based off of that, we're ready to hop into this case. Everyone should know or have heard some information about this. I just know what I've seen on social media. So this will be a good, I guess, summary, somewhat detailed summary of everything from A to B, A to Z. A to Z. I meant A to Z. From A to Z and. All right, I'll hand it over to Peyton.

[Peyton Moreland]

Y', all, Garrett's not scripted. If, you know, he just. He just. He comes out here.

[Garrett Moreland]

I'd just be talking, man.

[Peyton Moreland]

He just talks. Okay. And he does a really good job.

[Garrett Moreland]

I'm just a talker. I'm. I. I would say that I'm pretty decent at talking. Put me in front of, like, a million people. I'll talk.

[Peyton Moreland]

Honestly, doesn't bother me. There was, I think, during our live shows, there was a moment where Garrett would talk and then I would have to react. His job is not as easy as it looks. And I don't know if it's because I'm just so used to telling the story.

[Garrett Moreland]

Look, I've never claimed to be a fighter.

[Peyton Moreland]

I never said I was a fighter.

[Garrett Moreland]

Never said I was a fighter.

[Peyton Moreland]

All right, like Garrett said, this has been highly requested, and I think it just. We had to do it considering that Idaho was kind of a hot topic for us when we first started the show. Our sources for this episode are newyorktimes.com cnn.com abc news.go.com people.com independent.co.uk newsweek.com facts.net New York Post.com pbs.org cbs news.com king5.com and NBC news.com Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalez, Zanna Kernodle, Ethan Chapin. These were the four young college students whose lives were taken on November 13, 2022 right outside of the University of Idaho campus. All because of one cold blooded killer, a 28 year old man named Brian Coburger. This case has been all over the place. It has been discussed, there have been many rumors, gossip, disrespect towards the victims and their families. But if there's one thing as this case has wrapped up this year that is left, it's a lot of unanswered questions, honestly, about the entire case, even though we supposedly have the answers. And that is what we are going to address today. On July 2, 2025, three years after the murders, Coburger pleaded guilty to all four murders which landed him behind bars for the rest of his life. But this plea deal meant he didn't have to answer many of the pressing questions. What was the motive, why these four victims and what might have happened if he stood trial after all? Today I'm going to walk you through the case and then the evidence that would have come out in court and the new updates and information that has been released since Brian's sentencing and there.

[Garrett Moreland]

Might even be some other information we're missing. I mean because it seems like there's more stuff coming out each day. We tried to make this as recent as possible. So if there is some things that are missing, sorry the way it is.

[Peyton Moreland]

We are really just gonna try to unravel what really went on in the mind of Brian Kohberger. So we're gonna back up. It is Saturday, November 12, 2022. It is just another weekend in the small town of Moscow, Idaho. The students at the University of Idaho are looking to blow off some steam, get a little partying and fun in before they all return home for Thanksgiving breakfast. One of them was a 21 year old senior from Coeur d', Alene, Idaho named Madison Mogan, or Maddie as her friends called her. Now, Maddie was studying marketing and was a member of a sorority. She was a gentle, warm hearted girl who was loyal and worked hard to maintain her friendships and connections to her family, including her friend who she had been close to since the sixth grade who also happened to be her former roommate, 21 year old Kaylee Gonzalez. Now Kaylee was originally from Rathdrum, Idaho, though she eventually had plans to move to Austin, Texas after Graduation and she also was planning to get a marketing job there. Kaylee was also part of a sorority. She was in a different sorority though from Madison, and her other roommate, 20 year old Zanna Kernodle. So now we have three roommates, Maddie, Kaylee and Zanna. Zanna and Maddie were sorority sisters. Zanna had grown up in Idaho too, but she had also spent some of her childhood in Arizona. Her father described her as strong willed and independent. But she also had fallen hard for another college student, a handsome freshman 20 year old, Ethan Chapin. Ethan, one of three triplets with a brother and a sister, came from Conway, Washington. He was in a fraternity and as a former basketball player, decided to major in recreation, sport and tourism management. So all four of these college students seemed incredibly social and outgoing, loving their college life and dreaming of all the possibilities that the future might hold for them. They had no idea though, that November 12th would be their last night. To celebrate that evening, Zanna and Ethan went to a party at his fraternity house. This was actually just a short walk from the house on King Road where these girls lived, Zanna, Kaylee and Maddie. And they actually had two other female roommates that lived in the house on King road with them, 21 year old Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funk. So Dylan, Bethany, Kaylee, Maddie and Zanna, all living together at this house on King Road while going to college. Now, as Zanna and Ethan are at the party at the fraternity house, Maddie and Kaylee were off at a sports bar in Moscow called the Corner Club, which they actually got to around 10pm that night. Kaylee had moved out of the house that she shared with the girls pretty recently. So she had been living there during college, but she had just moved out, but was actually back that night to hang out with her former roommates. And she was planning to stay the night at her former house. So right before that, Kaylee even uploaded a picture to her Instagram reading, quote, quote, one lucky girl to be surrounded by these people every day. And it's kind of a picture that has gone viral because it has all of the victims in it together. Now, Bethany and Dylan, the other two roommates, also went out drinking that night and they returned home around 1am Kaylee and Maddie stopped at a food truck and called a car, getting home at around 1:56am and then meanwhile, Ethan went back to the house with Zanna to spend the night with her at the house, getting home around the same time as Kaylee and Maddie. So almost everyone is back home by 2:00am okay, but around 4:00am that night, Dylan, whose room was on the same floor as Zannis, woke up to a strange sound. Now, just to set up the layout of the house for you, because it kind of is important for the story, there are three floors in total in this house at King Road. Now, on the first floor is where Bethany Funk's bedroom is. Okay? Only her bedroom's on the first. The second floor is where Zanna and Dylan's bedrooms are, and then the third is where Maddie's bedroom is, as well as where Kaylee's was before she moved out. Now, that morning, around 4am, Dylan thinks she can hear. She wakes up and she thinks she can hear what sounds like Kaylee maybe playing with a dog on the floor above her. So on the third floor. And then she thinks she hears either Kaylee or Maddie say something like, there's someone here. She also says she heard what she thought was crying, eventually coming from Zanna's room, down the hall from hers, followed by a male voice saying, it's okay, I'm going to help you. So she wakes up at 4am and is like, what is going on in the house? She's spooked. She's scared. She decides it's gotten to a point where she's going to stand up and peek out her bedroom door to just kind of see what's going on. So she sticks her head out her bedroom door, and that's when she sees a man in all black clothing and a ski mask walk past her toward a sliding glass door near the rear side of the house. And it is during this time that that man turns and makes eye contact with Dylan. So Dylan says they make eye contact. And she sees that he's a white man with a big nose and bushy eyebrows and that he's holding some type of, quote, small vacuum type of object. Remember, it is nighttime. She has just woke up. She's trying to grasp what's going on. So Dylan, a little scared, but, like, the guy didn't hurt her, and she doesn't hear anything going on, goes back into her room and. And calls Bethany Funk. This is the roommate that she was out with earlier, who is asleep on the floor below hers. And she says, hey, I was hearing noises. I just think I saw someone dressed in all black, like, wandering through the house. Bethany's like, really? Did you say anything? And she's like, no, I'm just so, like, she's scared. She's telling Bethany that she's scared. So Bethany says, hey, just like, run downstairs. Just come to my room. And Dylan does. So they get down and they're trying to decide what to do. No one in their right mind believes that their roommates have just been murdered and that they're sitting here alive in the house.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah. This case is a little different because I know bits and pieces of it and I know there's been a lot of speculation and opinions and thoughts and judgment. Judgment. And it's hard because I try to think back when I was in college. I had six roommates for a while and then I had eight. Eight roommates for a while. There's a lot of stuff going on in the house. There's a lot of noises. There's a lot of crap. Also, I. Especially in college, I don't think you ever think, oh, there's a random person in our house right now murdering us. Murdering people. Like, I don't know. I insane. Like, honestly, it's out of this world to even think of something, to even think that something like that can happen.

[Peyton Moreland]

I mean, there were times where I would come out of my room and there would be a boy I had never seen before in my house, in my dorm room. You know what I mean? Like, I think sometimes people forget that college life at times can be very just like in and out strangers all the time. You're constantly meeting new people. Now granted, if she was like in her family home and there was a man standing there in a ski mask, she would probably be like, we have an intruder.

[Garrett Moreland]

Oh yeah. She'd probably call her parents and be like, what the heck is going on?

[Peyton Moreland]

I also want to note that it is 2020, so we are only about a year and a half out of COVID So people wearing masks, really wasn't that like, uncommon of a sight? If, like, sure, it's not 2020, but still, I mean, if I see a person in a mask now, I don't really question it.

[Garrett Moreland]

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[Peyton Moreland]

So I think in in her gut she definitely has. She's spooked. Like she's like I don't understand what's happening. She does not believe that her roommates are were just murdered. I think that's safe to say insane. So they are together in the downstairs room. They're trying to figure out what is going on. So they try calling their roommates phones. It's 4am no one answers. They don't panic though because they figure a couple of things. Dylan only saw like a strange man. It's not like she saw any of her other roommates awake and walking around. It is 4am they might be asleep, they might not be answering their phone. And two, they decide together that the man walking through the house was probably just one of Ethan's frat brothers who had come over, maybe playing like a joke on Zane, Anna and Ethan or something. That is what they come up with because Ithan is there and he has a whole bunch of frat brothers. Dylan also thinks she might just be entirely mistaken since she was drinking the night before. I think it's really easy that once they were together to talk each other down off the ledge, find some peace and comfort, and they both finally fall back asleep. Now, the next morning around 11am which seems late, but I mean these. They were out till 2 or awake till 2, then awake at 4. So around 11am, Bethany wakes up and she notices no one else in the house is up yet except for her and Dylan. So at this point they're like, wait, they're still not up. So they start sending some text messages to the other roommates via text and Snapchat, but there is still no answer from any of their roommates. And it's around that time that they realize Zanna's location is off on her phone phone, which is weird. Like they're checking for the location, they realize hers is off. So they decide to walk up and just peek in through Zanna's door. And it's at this point that they see Zanna passed out on the floor in her underwear and sweatshirt. But that's all they see. Before they get freaked out and leave the house. They are like, something is definitely wrong here. We, we need to not be in here. We need help. So at this point, they call two other friends over to help them with the situation. The people they call is Emily Allant and her boyfriend, Hunter Johnson. Now they come over and Hunter goes in the house. They're like, hey, you are a boy and we think you can handle this. So Hunter goes into the house and he walks up to the second floor to Zanna's bedroom. And he also sees Zanna passed out on the floor. And he actually rushes back outside the house and says, we just need to call 91 1. Something's going on.

[Garrett Moreland]

So, okay, they didn't see blood yet?

[Peyton Moreland]

No, no. They haven't even walked into the bedroom, let alone gone up to the third floor. They are just so spooked and freaked out.

[Garrett Moreland]

I'm not questioning anything. I'm just curious at this point, wouldn't.

[Peyton Moreland]

It smell a little Bit, I don't think yet.

[Garrett Moreland]

Cause it's been all night. I mean, since I guess like six hours, seven hours.

[Peyton Moreland]

Yes, I don't think it would yet.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay. Okay.

[Peyton Moreland]

But I think it was obviously eerie enough that they were freaking out. I mean, it takes a lot for a group of college kids to decide to get serious and call the police.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah, I get that. Yeah. So I agree. I mean, I. I think it's.

[Peyton Moreland]

I think it is reasonable that people were quick to be like, why did it take so long to call the cops? I think that's reasonable.

[Garrett Moreland]

I think so too. I mean. I mean, when I was involved in a hit and run and I called the cops, they basically told me, sucks, man. Sorry. Like, okay, I'm probably not gonna call the cops again.

[Peyton Moreland]

But I also think people don't take into consideration the fact that these people are in college for sure. They constantly live this in and out, just party life. Nothing's really that serious. Like, you have to take into account that this isn't a family in a suburban area.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

That sees one of their siblings on the floor.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yes.

[Peyton Moreland]

So the group of kids calls 911 just after 11:55am that morning. They frantically tell the dispatcher that something bad had happened at their house and one of their roommates got drunk the night before and now she's unconscious and she hasn't woken and they really don't think she's breathing. But when the police arrive a few minutes later, they find something far worse than any of them expected. And I think this is also a point in the case that has bothered the public that the 911 call came in as one of their roommates passed out, maybe struggling to breathe, when in reality it was they were dead. Four homicides, like brutal, bloody homicides. Like, where does that miscommunication come in? But again, hopefully now that I've broke down the story for you, you can understand how these events actually unfolded and kind of make sense.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah, I can't really judge. Like, obviously. I mean, I have questions and thoughts. I can't judge because one, I've never been in this situation. And two, it's. Dude, four people were just killed. Like, I don't know how. It's insane.

[Peyton Moreland]

Also, Dylan and Bethany, they have enough guilt. They don't need you to put it on it. I promise you.

[Garrett Moreland]

I promise. They already hate themselves enough right now.

[Peyton Moreland]

Like, they just need love and support and validation and understanding at this point because they have gone through hell. And honestly, the public's involvement in this case have only made Their lives Worse.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

After going through this horrid experience. So.

[Garrett Moreland]

And I think after, like, learning more about it, we're going to continue to get into it, but learning more about it and the trial and so on and so forth, you realize, like, they.

[Peyton Moreland]

Did what they thought was right.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

They didn't do anything anyway.

[Garrett Moreland]

Sorry, sorry. We keep going.

[Peyton Moreland]

So police arrive to this, like, basically on college campus to this house where there's a different roommate in each bedroom. And. And they discover Zanna Kernodle dead on the floor of her bedroom. She's not passed out like they had thought. She is dead.

[Garrett Moreland]

And so sad.

[Peyton Moreland]

Zanna has been stabbed 50 times. Very brutal.

[Garrett Moreland]

Wait, what?

[Peyton Moreland]

50 times? She's on the floor of her bedroom, stabbed 50 times. Her boyfriend.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay, wait. I mean, I don't know what I can ask. Not. No one heard, obviously.

[Peyton Moreland]

No, they. What Dylan has said, what she's told police, is all we know about the noises. And Bethany claims to not have heard anything, so.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay.

[Peyton Moreland]

It is hard to wrap your mind around, but I don't believe that they.

[Garrett Moreland]

Did she say anything about it being loud in the house that night?

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah, she thought they were playing with a dog. Because they do. They did. One of the roommates did have a dog, so they thought, like, the stomping around and running and playing was with the dog 50 times.

[Garrett Moreland]

Oh, my God.

[Peyton Moreland]

But then she heard what she thought was her roommate saying, we think there's someone here. And then she heard a man say, don't worry. And so she got up to look.

[Garrett Moreland]

Oh, my gosh. You're telling me that this guy, first of all, killed four people, stabbed one of them 50 times.

[Peyton Moreland]

Okay, so her boyfriend Ethan had also been stabbed multiple times with one lethal blow to his jugular vein. So police discover this couple dead in Zanna's bedroom. Then they continue moving up the house because they know that there are two other girls in this house that they haven't heard from. So they go up to Maddie's room, and they find Kaylee and Maddie both in Maddie's room in her bed. They could have slept in different rooms, but that night, they happened to both be in Maddie's room.

[Garrett Moreland]

I'm sorry, I'm gonna have questions, and I'm sure they're the same questions you guys have. Was there not a bunch of screaming and yelling? Not according to.

[Peyton Moreland]

Not according to anyone. There has been neighbor footage of, like, moaning. Like, maybe there was some moaning or grunting. There was no, like, outright screaming.

[Garrett Moreland]

If there's. If neighbors can hear that, it was.

[Peyton Moreland]

On, like, the neighboring. So there's the wall of the house, and then the neighbor's front door was right there, and the ring doorbell could hear it.

[Garrett Moreland]

I feel like that has to be pretty loud, right?

[Peyton Moreland]

I mean, it woke her up and got her out of bed. So it was loud enough that it got her out of bed.

[Garrett Moreland]

I'm just asking questions. I'm not putting blame. I'm just. I'm genuinely curious on what the freak happened.

[Peyton Moreland]

Well, these are the questions that everyone had that everyone has, because they're like, if he would just think about anyone other than himself and explain what happened that night, we might have answers to this. Because he could say, oh, none of them screamed or this or that. You know what I mean?

[Garrett Moreland]

He's not gonna say that. He's a. Yeah, he's not gonna say that.

[Peyton Moreland]

Right.

[Garrett Moreland]

He's a narcissist. Well, there's. He's a lot of words, but.

[Peyton Moreland]

So both of these girls have been stabbed to death as well. Kaylee has been stabbed over 34 times.

[Garrett Moreland]

Oh, my.

[Peyton Moreland]

Her face was unrecognizable, while Maddie's total is actually not specified.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay, I can't keep interrupting, but between just three people, it sounds like over a hundred times. How do you stab someone that many times?

[Peyton Moreland]

Rage, adrenaline. They were far dead. They were already dead, by the way.

[Garrett Moreland]

We're just going to send them to prison for life, so.

[Peyton Moreland]

So the autopsy is performed on November 17. The results show that all four victims were attacked with a large knife and that their wounds were very extensive. The autopsy shows that Zanna did fight back. So when putting together the timeline of the investigation, because police are like, who was killed first? What happened here? Why did Dylan and Bethany not here screaming like, what happened here to make this so seamless and fast and. But Zanna has defensive wounds. So police discover that Zanna had ordered food through the doordash app that was delivered around 4am they believe that Zanna and Coburger had either just missed each other in the house, walking through the house while she went to pick up her doordash, and then she heard the commotion, and that's why she was even out of bed when she was murdered. Either way, these timelines are very creepy because there are people moving through this house, and we're not sure when they encountered each other. They do, though, suspect that Maddie, Kaylee, and Ethan were asleep at the time of their attacks, which would make sense why it was more quiet, because for two of those victims, they were basically. They were basically. I mean, and then you can kind of you don't have to like finish attacking one to get to the other. You can move back and forth to try to subdue one. You know what I mean? So maybe that is why it was so quiet.

[Garrett Moreland]

Horrible, man. It's horrible.

[Peyton Moreland]

It's awful. It is awful. Awful. They find, though, that there has been no evidence of sexual assault with any of the victims. Still, investigators feel confident that this was a targeted attack, not completely random. And for the next several weeks, police speak with anyone and everyone who might have had a connection to the victims, including anyone who was spotted with them earlier that night while they were out. But they release little to no updates about the case. And this is the point where you probably heard about the case. We heard about it. I definitely heard about it because I'm from Idaho. Everyone was talking about it for college students, like brutally stabbed to death in their home with two surviving roommates. The case itself just. It went viral. Yeah, it spread. No one really knew what happened. Now I am going to say seven weeks after the murders, police made an arrest. A week before they arrested Bryan Coburger, I was sent court records showing that police had a suspect and the evidence that they had against him that was going to lead to an arrest. But I couldn't say anything because it hadn't been made public yet.

[Garrett Moreland]

Just so you guys know, we could have leaked that information before anyone else, but we didn't. We could have sold that shiz to tmz, made a lot of money, but guess what? We didn't.

[Peyton Moreland]

If you're wondering how I got it, Sources.

[Garrett Moreland]

You know, we never give up our sources. So just an FYI out there, FYI, if anyone ever sends us anything, snitches get stitches. And we're not snitches.

[Peyton Moreland]

It was weird though, to like have read this entire court document. It was long. Understand that they have a suspect, that they had evidence, and then get online and see people being like, the police aren't doing anything, there's nothing going on. And thinking, oh my gosh, they've been investigating this entire time and have kept it away from the public and literally are about to make an arrest.

[Garrett Moreland]

We should have said, we should have just leaked it. It would have been kind of cool.

[Peyton Moreland]

So seven weeks after the murders. Yeah, police make an arrest. The person they arrest, Brian Christopher Coburger, a 28 year old grad student at Washington State University. This is a different college than the victims college, but it's actually just 10 minutes away from the Idaho campus. So it's basically just two colleges that share the same.

[Garrett Moreland]

And if we're arresting people just based off looks, we got the right guy.

[Peyton Moreland]

His eyes are very.

[Garrett Moreland]

We got the right guy.

[Peyton Moreland]

Very dead. On December 30, 2022, he's arrested at his parents home, but it's not in Idaho. It's in Pennsylvania. They went across the United States to arrest him and he was charged with four counts of first degree murder. Now let's get a little bit of background on Brian. I wouldn't be spotlighting this if it didn't have some impact on the case. All right, you guys, we are getting into an ad and it is skims. If you have listened for a while. You know, I love my skims product and I loved them before they became a sponsor of the show. And I continue to support my own show by continually purchasing skims on my own as well. And one of the things that I recently got I need to tell you about is the Fits Everybody boy Short underwear. Okay? It has changed the game for me. It is the most comfortable underwear. It does not ride up. It is such a comfortable fit. I never feel like I have a front wedgie or a regular wedgie.

[Garrett Moreland]

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[Peyton Moreland]

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[Garrett Moreland]

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[Peyton Moreland]

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[Garrett Moreland]

Wow.

[Peyton Moreland]

From a university in Pennsylvania. And in the fall of 2022, he had begun studying his master's in criminal justice across the United States at Washington State. Criminal justice and psychology.

[Garrett Moreland]

That's ironic.

[Peyton Moreland]

Prior to his arrest, he had worked as a security officer for a school in Pennsylvania where his mother was employed as. And he had recently just interviewed for a graduate research assistant position with the Pullman Police Department near his campus. So it's safe to say this guy had a clear interest in being some sort of police officer or someone who held a position of power. Now, digging a little further back, it was clear Coburger was troubled long before entering college. You don't do what he did without being haunted. So all the way back to his teenage years, Coburger had written a post online about his struggles with suicidal thoughts, dissociation, and his lack of emotion and feelings of remorse. Basically online saying, like, I'm fear that I'm a psychopath. Apparently, he also dealt with depression. And according to people who knew him in high school, he had a history of abusing heroin and. And kind of just like having a lack of empathy. But it was during his graduate studies that things really seemed to amplify for Co Burger. Like, maybe he was trying to hold off this I'm gonna be the killer narrative and was trying to go, well, I'll still be involved in crime because it really interests me, but I'll be a police officer. Seems like when he moved to Idaho, Washington, he was like, you know what? Actually, I'm just gonna go full force serial killer. Like, I'm gonna finally give in to the dark side of me insane. So in the months before the murders, he posted something on Reddit asking formerly incarcerated people to take a survey. He wanted to know their, quote, thoughts, emotions, and actions from the beginning to end of the crime commission process. He said it was part of a research project to, quote, understand how emotions and psychological traits influence decision making when committing a crime. Another classmate of his said he recalled, just a few days before the murders were committed, Coburger became very curious about forensics, DNA, and other evidence that prosecutors could use to get a conviction in court. And even more terrifying, just prior to the crime, Kohberger had been chatting with a woman he Met on Tinder. And when they began talking about horror movies, he asked her what she thought the worst way to die would be. And she said, I think being stabbed to death. Coburger responded to this woman something to the effect of a K bar, which is a fixed blade knife. Like he specified the type of knife and sure enough, what was found at the scene of the crime, not the weapon itself, but a sheath to a KA bar knife. Okay, so there was quite a bit of evidence pointing to Bryan Coburger circumstantially, which meant things weren't looking good for him leading up to his trial. In fact, more damning evidence against him came out as trial was leading up. And on June 26, 2023, the prosecution announced that they would be pursuing the death penalty, which is a big deal because the state of Idaho hasn't carried out an execution since 2012. So Coburger's attorneys tried to block that by saying he had been diagnosed with a form of autism. He should be exempt from execution due to the Constitution's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. But In November of 2024, the judge said, no way, absolutely not. The motion stands and the prosecution will be able to pursue the death penalty if Coburger is convicted.

[Garrett Moreland]

Cruel and unusual punishment, how ironic is that?

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah. And honestly, like.

[Garrett Moreland]

Or hypocritical, whatever you want to.

[Peyton Moreland]

If you're talk death penalty cases, killing four random people for fun, stabbing them.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

That amount of times in a rage.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah, that.

[Peyton Moreland]

That feels pretty much like you are for sure a danger to society. There was no motive.

[Garrett Moreland]

Like, like we should do like instead of like a trial, we should just do like a USA vote. Like whenever. Yeah, whenever something like this happens, we post a poll on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Everyone votes and whatever the choice that is chosen is the choice that is made. I just, I don't know. I think that's a pretty dang good idea and keep going.

[Peyton Moreland]

So you're leaving it all to the owners of those companies to decide because they could sway those votes. You em. Lie about them.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay, well then we'll just, we'll have to do the vote somewhere else. But I still think it should be up to the public to make that decision.

[Peyton Moreland]

I mean it is kind of the jury.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

But you know, at this point, Brian's team starts reassessing their strategy. Jury selection was scheduled to begin on August 4, 2025. Now remember, these murders happened in 2022 and he was arrested in 2022. So it's been three years of back and forth, trying to figure out how to get to trial, gathering evidence, appeals, like delays.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

But a month before, on July 2 this year, Kohberger appeared at a hearing and announced, nevermind, I'm pleading guilty to burglary and four counts of first degree murder.

[Garrett Moreland]

So I assume it's because he was probably gonna get the death penalty.

[Peyton Moreland]

Yes. And he wanted just life in prison, so they gave him a plea.

[Garrett Moreland]

You know, Brian, I'm really glad that you wanted to live so the you got the choice to live.

[Peyton Moreland]

I think it probably matters most what the victim's families felt about this. And it was split. Some didn't want to go through a trial. Some felt like this wasn't justice.

[Garrett Moreland]

I get that. I get that. Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

In making that plea, that means that he did not, in a court for the public or the victim's families, have to give a motive or any sort of statement or story regarding that night and why he did what he did. In fact, the judge actually gave him an opportunity to address the court and be like, hey, is there anything that you would like to do to try to maybe answer some questions? And he said, quote, I respectfully decline.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay.

[Peyton Moreland]

And that's that. On July 23rd, 30 year old Brian Kohberger was sentenced to four consecutive life sentences, therefore dodging the death penalty for his plea. But that left a lot of people unsettled. It left a lot of people answering questions. What would have been presented in court? What fate might the jury have chosen for Bryan Kohberger? And could it have been enough to actually land him the death penalty? Well, since Kohberger didn't get a jury, I am going to present you the evidence that it's rumored would have been put forth at trial. And I'll let you decide what you would have voted if you were on the jury instead.

[Garrett Moreland]

Give it to me.

[Peyton Moreland]

Give it to me. Here is our make believe trial with the evidence that the state has released to the public. Let's start with the footage that was found after the murders. About an hour after the roommates all returned to the house that night, a white car appeared on surveillance cameras around the neighborhood. Obviously police went around to doorbell footage, security cameras, and they gathered it and they see this white car around the house at the time of the crime. Now their house was on a dead end street, and yet you can see a white Hyundai Elantra pass the house a few times, circling the crime scene, the future crime scene that's about to happen literally that hour, multiple times, including at 4:04am this is around the time the murders were believed to be committed. There is also a security camera that captures audio. This is the one I was telling you about, of what sounds like whimpering, a dog barking, and then a huge thud coming from the home. This happens at 4:17am so at 404, this car is circling. They believe this is Brian in his car. And at 4:17, chaos begins. Shortly after that, the Elantra is seen literally speeding away from this house at 4 in the morning, like ripping it, tires squealing. And it's in the direction of the Washington State University campus. So where he would be returning to. And around the 29th of November, police tracked this car to a WSU student named Brian Coburger. So this is how he kind of first comes up on their radar. So now that the police had his name, they look up his record. They found that he had actually been pulled over in Moscow, Idaho, back in August. And during that traffic stop, he had given the officer his cell phone number. So the police are like, we have a cell phone number. Which in turn allows them to track where his cell phone was at the time of the murders by accessing his records. Easy enough to get a warrant for that once you've seen his car on footage. And with that, they also pull up Coburger's license photo. And sure enough, they find he is a white guy with bushy eyebrows. He looks a lot like the person Dylan Mortensen described seeing in the house that night. Oh, and by the way, they also discover Coburger had gotten a new license plate for his car five days after the murders were committed.

[Garrett Moreland]

Give me a break, man.

[Peyton Moreland]

Now let's move on to that location data from his cell phone, because this certainly would have came up in court as well. So after receiving Coburger's cell records, police learned that his cell phone was actually turned off beginning at 2:47am the morning of the murders. So we know someone was awake on his phone turning it off around 3am and its last location that it pinged was in Pullman, Washington, near his campus. Then someone was awake and the phone mysteriously turned back on at 4:48am shortly after the suspected time of the murders. And now the phone is in Moscow, Idaho. So while the phone was turned off, it moved, it left its location and went towards the scene of the crime. His data also showed he returned to the area near the crime scene later that morning before the bodies were even discovered. Police and the prosecution believe he was returning, doing a drive by to the scene of the crime to see if police had been called. What had happened? Was it taped off? He drives by and realizes what's going on. I definitely saw a girl that was left alive. And there's no police here. Like, she didn't call 91 1.

[Garrett Moreland]

Interesting.

[Peyton Moreland]

They believe that's why he pilled out so fast, because he had left someone Al. They believe he thought that police were gonna be called immediately.

[Garrett Moreland]

Well, he left two people alive.

[Peyton Moreland]

He didn't know he had left two people alive. He'd only seen one. Okay, so he does a little drive by to just check up on the case. I also wanna mention around this time on his phone, he also took a selfie with a thumbs up, smiling. Right after he brutally murdered four people. Just a little side note for you.

[Garrett Moreland]

What?

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah, on his phone, in his bathroom. He went home after murdering them and took that picture.

[Garrett Moreland]

It's crazy. Dude, this is crazy.

[Peyton Moreland]

So they're like, okay, this cell phone data is pretty intense. It's pretty heavy. It does a lot of damage to his case. And so they keep digging and they learn he had actually visited the area around the home, the home of these four college students, at least 23 times in the months before the murders. And when his phone would ping at the home, it was usually between the hours of 10pm and 4am okay, so basically 23 times before he showed up and actually murdered in the middle of the night, he drove by their house either.

[Garrett Moreland]

Do we know why their house?

[Peyton Moreland]

No. So this is a big question. Was he there to only kill one person? Was his target Maddie and then Kaylee happened to be there, but they can't.

[Garrett Moreland]

Figure out a connection between them?

[Peyton Moreland]

No, there is no known connection. No one can say that he knew any of the victims.

[Garrett Moreland]

I would assume it's two things. Either one, he saw her in public once and followed or one of them in public. Or two, Instagram. Yes. Like, they saw him on social media and he's like, oh, that's the person, and started stalking them.

[Peyton Moreland]

It's rumored that their house was the host house of many parties where the doors were just left open. I mean, the door was unlocked that night. So people actually believe that Brian could have possibly been in the house. And, like, looked at the layout of the house, found whoever his intended victim's room was or if it was everyone, like, he could have definitely learned the layout of the house before the night. That night. So it seems like at least one of the roommates in the past months, Kaylee Gonzalez, actually noticed a man watching her at one point when she went out to walk her dog. This is the dog in the story is Kaylee's dog. Now, remember, Kaylee had actually moved out of the house by the night of the murders. She was literally just back there that night to visit her friends one last time. Gosh, she wasn't even living there anymore.

[Garrett Moreland]

So pissed.

[Peyton Moreland]

She was ready to move on with her life. And from what I can tell, she didn't move because of a stalker, but because she was graduating early, she had gotten a new job. But there was more information I found that showed Kaylee, Zanna and Maddie were actually all being watched by Coburger prior to their deaths. Okay, so Coburger followed all of the girls on Instagram. He had liked several of Kaylee and.

[Garrett Moreland]

Definitely found them on Instagram and decided that hundred.

[Peyton Moreland]

I mean, yeah, or found them in person. Follow them.

[Garrett Moreland]

Either way, he was stalking them on social media and being a weirdo.

[Peyton Moreland]

But this is where the belief that Maddie was the intended target comes in. Because he had liked almost every single one of Maddie's posts and had apparently downloaded some of her photos to his devices.

[Garrett Moreland]

That's disgusting.

[Peyton Moreland]

Kaylee had also mentioned to friends that she thought she had a stalker, that someone had mailed her something once and she was getting strange messages on Facebook. We don't know if this has a connection to him. Then, on November 4, nine days before the murders, the roommates came home to find that their front door was open and literally off the hinges. It was so bad that Zanna's dad actually came over and fixed it. So just some. Some unusual activity. But maybe the biggest piece of evidence in this case that you probably already know was a knife sheath that was left at the crime scene. While the knife itself was never found, the sheath was telling. It was discovered on the bed next to Maddie and Kaylee's body. And it had a Marine Corps logo on it, and it belonged to a KA Bar knife. Now, more importantly, forensics was able to extract DNA from the button on the snap of the sheet.

[Garrett Moreland]

Impressive.

[Peyton Moreland]

And while it didn't match anyone in any law enforcement databases, they used genetic genealogy to see if there was a match. So with help of those consumer databases like Ancestry.com, they build a profile that points that whoever had done this was in the Co Burger family. Now, they don't have Co Burger's DNA, but they link it to his family tree.

[Garrett Moreland]

Got it. Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

To get an exact match, obviously, and absolutely confirm that it's their number one.

[Garrett Moreland]

Suspect, they need Brian's DNA.

[Peyton Moreland]

They need a sample of his DNA. So a few days before Kohberger's arrested. Police collect garbage from outside his parents home in Pennsylvania, where they know Coburger had driven home and was staying. At this point, they bring them back to the lab for testing. And when one comes up as a direct match for what was on the sheath, investigators know they have their guy. They have Brian Coburger's DNA on the knife sheath that was left at the crime scene. That's why three days later, on December 30, they were able to finally arrest him. Because that's pretty.

[Garrett Moreland]

You know, if I was. If I was Brian's parents, I'd be pretty pissed if I spent all this money thinking my kid might be innocent.

[Peyton Moreland]

Some people believe that his dad knew what he had done because his dad came to Idaho and drove him back to Pennsylvania after the murder.

[Garrett Moreland]

I don't get that personally. I don't get standing up. I don't get wanting to defend your kids.

[Peyton Moreland]

Enabling.

[Garrett Moreland]

And when it comes to something like that, it's not like, oh, he ran a red light or. No, no. Like, this is.

[Peyton Moreland]

You can love your kid while holding.

[Garrett Moreland]

Them accountable a hundred percent.

[Peyton Moreland]

It's totally possible. In fact, loving your kid while holding them accountable is usually the best thing you can do for them.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah, I just. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of embarrassing.

[Peyton Moreland]

Before pleading guilty, Coburger's defense attorney motioned to throw this DNA evidence out, basically their strongest piece of evidence. But the request was denied, which also might have pushed Coburger into making that guilty plea, because that's a smoking gun. Like, how do you even argue that? But that wasn't the only thing pointing in his direction. Detectives also found evidence on Kohberger's computer once they arrested him, showing that he had purchased a K bar knife and a sheath just months before the killings.

[Garrett Moreland]

Okay.

[Peyton Moreland]

And then he searched for a new knife and cover right after the murders.

[Garrett Moreland]

I mean, it's. It's black and white. I mean. Sorry. I mean, I didn't mean black and white. I mean, it's open and shut.

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah. So since Coburger's guilty plea, a lot more evidence has actually come to light because the state doesn't really have to keep it on lockdown anymore. So I'll share with you a few details that have come out since his guilty plea. Okay, so that selfie, the 10:30am selfie, is what came out. That look on his face is so eerie. A friend of his also told police he had very obvious scratch marks on his face right after the murders. And they said the same thing happened back In October of 2022, a month before the murders. So people began to wonder, did he have a practice victim before this? Coburger's car and house were also meticulously cleaned after the murders. And more eyewitnesses came forward to say they saw a man lurking around that King Road neighborhood and acting nervous around the time of the crimes. And as far as finding any new evidence inside the house where the crimes took place, this is a very problematic part of this case that I do have a firm stance on, because we will never find more evidence at the King road House. On December 28, 2023, the University of Idaho decided to demolish the King Road house before he had even pled guilty, saying it was, quote, a grim reminder of the heinous act.

[Garrett Moreland]

Hello? Who made. Hello, is this mic on who made that decision?

[Peyton Moreland]

Also, this was despite the fact that two of the families, like, came forward publicly insisting, no, no, no, please keep the house standing through the trial. Like, keep it standing through the trial. What if the jury want to go visit? What if there's more evidence there?

[Garrett Moreland]

Like, who in their right mind who made that call?

[Peyton Moreland]

They just believed that it was.

[Garrett Moreland]

You're kidding me.

[Peyton Moreland]

That they needed to, like, delete it out of the college campus to kind of, like, close that chapter, Even though it wasn't legally closed yet.

[Garrett Moreland]

The amount of incompetent people we have making decisions in our lives blows my mind. That is an insane decision to make.

[Peyton Moreland]

I will say the prosecutors kind of. They didn't really fight for it. They said the current condition of the premises is so substantially different than at the time of the homicides. They didn't even believe that they would be able to get the jury in there. Like, they didn't lock down it enough. So while the house was knocked down, these questions around Coburger's motives still stand. Many want to know why Coburger went after these four college students in particular. Was he zeroing in on one roommate, maybe Maddie, but ended up taking more lives when he realized that Kaylee was there. And then maybe that murder had disturbed Zanna, or Zanna had gotten up to get her doordash and they had run into each other. Whatever it may be, then he had to kill Zanna. And then once he got Zan in the room, he realized Ethan was there, passed out, so he killed Ethan. Like, we don't know what was intended to happen that night. We only know, like, the result of what happened that night. Was it something about the house that made him target the people in there? And if so, why did he leave two roommates alive that night. Especially if he literally made eye contact with one of them after killing four. Why stop? While Kohberger himself has yet to give an answer to these questions, that doesn't mean the truth will not come out. Over time, new information about this case continues to surface, just like Garrett said, every day. And it is possible that one day Coburger himself will want to talk. We know that he has done a lot of studying of serial killers. He is very fascinated by serial killers. He has done so much history into psychology and the mind behind it. So maybe eventually he will fall into the serial kill killer trap, where it brings them pride and ego to admit to what they've done.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

And so they speak out about it, not to help the families, but for their own benefit.

[Garrett Moreland]

Yeah.

[Peyton Moreland]

Yeah. To kind of put their stamp on their crime. Now, during the sentencing hearing, Judge Steven Hippler gave one reason for Kohberger's crimes. Cowardice. He also added that while he, too, wants to understand this senseless killer by continually asking the question of why, he says us continuing to question it gives Coburger more power and control. So I will leave you with one final message from the judge that kind of articulates my feelings. Quote, there is no reason for these crimes that could approach anything resembling rationality. In my view, the time has now come to end Mr. Kohberger's 15 minutes of fame. Now, if you watched the sentencing hearing, you know that Kaylee Gonzalez's sister gave a really impactful victim impact statement. And I think, closing out this case, I want to end with her words. She said, I won't stand here and give you what you want. I won't offer you tears. I won't offer you trembling disappointments like you thrive on pain, on fear, and on the illusion of power. I will not feed your beast. Instead, I will call you what you are. Sociopath, psychopath, murderer. I will ask the questions that reverberate violently in my own head so loudly that I can't think straight most any day. Some of these might be familiar. So sit up straight when I talk to you. She goes on to say, if you were really smart, do you think you would be here right now? What's it like needing this much attention just to feel real? You're terrified of being ordinary, aren't you? Do you feel anything at all? Or are you exactly what you always feared? Nothing? If you're so powerful, then why are you still hiding? Defendant? You see, I'm here today as me. But who are you? She then Says you act like no one could ever understand your mind. But the truth is, you are basic. You're a textbook case of insecurity disguised as control. Your patterns are predictable. Your motives are shallow. You are not profound. You're pathetic. You aren't special or deep. Not mysterious or exceptional. Don't ever get it twisted again. No one is scared of you today. No one is intimidated by you. No one is impressed by you. No one thinks you are important. You orchestrated this like you thought you were God. And now look at you. Begging a courtroom for scraps. You spent months preparing. And still all it took was my sister and a sheath. You worked so hard to seem dangerous. But real control doesn't have to prove itself. The truth is. The scariest part about you is how painfully average you turned out to be. The truth is, you are as dumb as they come. Stupid. Clumsy. Slow. Sloppy. Weak. Dirty. Let me be very clear. Don't ever try to convince yourself that you mattered just because someone finally said your name out loud. I see through you. You want the truth? Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you hadn't attacked them in their sleep in the middle of the night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your effing ass. Thank you. And that is how she ended her impact statement. And I think if there is a. Like, if you could write the perfect impact statement about a way to actually get through to a psychopath or a murderer, in this regard, she did it perfectly.

[Garrett Moreland]

I agree.

[Peyton Moreland]

Reminding everyone and him, you are not special. You are not some crazy smart person because you were able to kill four people, and people can't comprehend how you could do that. People actually just think you're lame, you're average, and you suck. Like, you're a bad person. That's all people think about you. And I just 100% agree. And I think her impact statement was impactful. All right, you guys, that was the kind of summarization. Also, if we had had a trial, maybe this is what would have been brought up. Story of the Idaho Four. Please remember their names. Remember their families. Keep them at the forefront. Remember that all four of these victims were more than just the Idaho four murder victims. And let's put Bryan Kohberger to rest. All right, you guys, we will see you next time with another one. I love it and I hate it. Goodbye.