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AI.
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Had the time of my life.
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AI Never fail.
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From building timelines to assigning the right people and even spotting risks across dozens of projects, Monday Sidekick knows your business, thinks ahead and takes action. One click on the star and consider it done. And I owe it all to you. Try Monday Sidekick AI you'll love to use on Monday.com. you're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Hi, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my Husband. I'm Peyton Moreland.
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And I'm Garrett Moreland.
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And he's the husband.
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I'm the husband. If you are watching on YouTube. Sorry about the lighting. We're missing a shade and it's really bright. If you were listening on audio, you have no idea that anything is different. And that's great.
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No idea that everything. Anything is different.
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Is that what I said?
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Yeah, but it's okay. We all understood, man.
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Long day. Long day.
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We all understood.
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Hope you guys are all doing good. Pton and I are actually going to a hockey game after we record. Pretty excited. Hockey season is starting.
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It's October.
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It is officially October.
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We forgot to put our skeleton up.
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We did forget our skeleton up. Happy October. Spooky. It's creepy. What else?
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Amazing month. Merry October, everyone.
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It is a pretty amazing month. We have our house decorated already got spooky stuff everywhere. We are ready to go. Yeah. I hope everyone's doing good. We're going to kind of hop into today's case. I will say really quick that I'm officially going to be opening a bagel store. It'll be early next year. Stay tuned. I will keep you updated. I won't mention it too much more. Other than that, I have a lot of work to do.
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And Loki, I've just been getting bagel after bagel and they're so good.
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Payne's been eating a lot of bagels.
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I was like, meditating and you came in and he just waved one over my nose.
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I know. It's like drugs in our house now. There's just bagels everywhere.
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So good.
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Bagels, bagels, bagels. Thanks for listening. Thank you for supporting. Remember, if you want bonus content, you can check out our Apple subscriptions or Patreon Spotify subscriptions and you get bonus episodes and ad free content. Let's hop into today's case.
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Our sources for this episode are crimelibrary.com, presstelegram.com, distractify.com, islapedia.com, dailybreeze.com, denverpost.com, ocweekly.com, oxygen.com CBS news.com, the catalinaislander.com thecinemaholic.com and Dateline. There's one thing about being an adult that I have learned, and that is how much harder it is to make strong, meaningful friendships as we get older. When you think back to childhood, you're just so open and willing to let people into your life. How easy it is to just walk up to someone in a classroom or a playground and just play with them and build this friendship right then and there. But as we reach adulthood, that sort of fades. And is it because by that point, many of us have already established our group of friends, our core community that we already feel comfortable with? Or is it because our time becomes more valuable and we want to spend it more with those we care about and less with getting to know new people? Or is it because our perspectives of the world has changed, our trust in others is more fragile than it was when we were younger?
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I thought you were going to say life's expensive.
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Why does that make you not have friends?
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No, I'm just saying as I've gotten older, I feel like I've realized it is like when I turned into an adult, I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, world's expensive.
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Yeah, I'm definitely, I'm one of those adults that's like, this is a scam.
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We should reverse and be a kid forever. Look it up while you can.
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I do think, though, despite all the reasons, there are certain things that happen that should lead you to being more careful about the new people you let into your life. Because when someone is so eager to be your friend, there's usually good reason why. And like in today's story, sometimes that reason can be deadly. So let's take a trip to Denver, Colorado, where we start today's case. We are actually back in the 1980s and there is a man named Stephen B. Williams that is dominating the local radio waves in Denver. If you were in Denver at the time, you might remember his morning show on KPKE radio called Stephen B. And the Hawk. The show was a pretty huge hit and was said to pave the way for a lot of morning radio Talk shows. And Steven really did have the voice and personality to lure in listeners. He had this charm about him. His deep, soothing voice earned him the nickname the Voice of the Rockies. But Denver wasn't exactly where Steven saw himself being forever. So. Born on May 14, 1947, Steven's dad was in the US Air Force and he grew up presumably on a base in Hawaii. When his father finally retired in 1963, Steven's parents and older sister Jan moved to Corona del Mar, California. But even then, the now 16 year old Stephen.
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The nice area, by the way, very nice area.
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But despite the fact that his parents and his sister moved to California, 16 year old Stephen decided to actually stay in Hawaii. From a very early age, Stephen knew that he wanted to be a radio DJ and, and even got a job at a popular radio station in Honolulu in the early 1970s when he was around 20 something years old. So after finding some success there, Steven went on to work at several more radio stations, including one in San Francisco. And then he was offered that great opportunity to join the team in Denver. That's when he moved there around 1980.
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It's pretty funny because that job doesn't really exist anymore. I mean, yeah, it, it does to an extent, but not how it used to.
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I mean, growing up, the local radio DJs or talk show hosts, they were like celebrities, like local celebrities.
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And now social media has kind of taken over.
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Well, and kids just don't really listen.
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To the radio or people who are DJs. I mean, there's DJs on like TikTok, like, or there are clubs. It's just changed quite a bit.
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Yeah, but our story is obviously in 1980, so it is popping off. The president of the Denver Radio Company was extremely impressed by Stephen. He specifically talked about how grounded Stephen stayed in the midst of the local fame, saying, quote, sometimes egos grow with ratings. But not Stephen. He and Don Hawkins were the market leaders, but he was a good guy. Now, unfortunately, Steven couldn't ride that wave of fame and success in Denver forever. So around the turn of the millennium, he was laid off from the radio station. But instead of getting the same job somewhere else, Stephen decided to actually change career paths and follow a different passion of his. And that was wine making. So he moved to the Napa Valley area and began working at a winery. And he also started going to culinary school. And though the winery was a huge pay cut for Steven, he really didn't seem to mind. Cooking and wine had always been a huge part of his life and he was Happy being out in the fields with a hose lugging buckets of grapes down to the cellar. So for a while, doing this was his happy place. Unfortunately, though, life didn't allow him this pleasure for very long. In 2001, Steven's father got very sick and so Steven moved back to Corona del Mar, California to help take care of him. And that was where Steven stayed for the next two years. Finally, in 2003, Steven's father's health became irreparable. He passed away that year, but he didn't leave Stephen and his sister with nothing. By that point, Steven's father had amassed a $2.4 million estate, including his million dollar home, which he left to Steven and his sister Jan to split after his death.
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And I will say I do not think you could find anything close to $1 million in Colonel Del Mar.
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I don't either. And it was a whole home.
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I would say the average home in CDM these days is probably 3 to 4 million. A nice home is going to be 8 to 10 million.
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It's definitely like easy. The nice suburbs next to the ocean.
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It's like right next to Newport Beach. I mean technically, sometimes it's considered Newport, but just crazy how much has changed.
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So his father leaves this money to Steven and his sister Jan. But problem was is Stephen was pretty overwhelmed by this. He had never been great with managing his finances, and now he had even more than he knew what to do with. Taxes, bills, savings and investments were not Steven's strong suit. But thankfully he had found some relief in September of 2003 when he reunited with an old friend. Steven had invited this friend over to his house for what seemed like dinner one night. And that guy brought along another friend, a man named Harvey Morrow. Now, one of the first things Harvey noticed when he stepped into Steven's house was all of the open bills and paperwork that he had strewn about. It seemed clear that whatever Steven's financial situation was at this point in his life, he was in over his head. So over dinner that night, the three of the men get to talking and Harvey mentioned that he had been in the investment banking business and he was a retired Wall street executive. He had made quite a few bucks from stocks and apparently at one point he even had a job importing luxury cars from Canada. Harvey had actually gotten divorced several years back, but then remarried a woman named Debbie in 2000. And they had been living in a beautiful lakeside home in Texas, but had recently relocated to Los Angeles, which was not very far from where Steven was living now. And they had flipped that investment into a 75 foot luxury cell boat that they now had docked out in San Pedro, California, about 45 minutes away.
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75 foot boat, that's big.
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Yeah. So Harvey is telling Steven all about this and that him and his wife Debbie's plan is to get the boat fixed up a bit and then one day travel the world. And Steven thought this was one of the coolest ideas he had ever heard of. At the time, Steven was kind of unsure what the next chapter of his life would be. With radio behind him and no longer needing to take care of his father, not to mention this lump of cash that he had. The world was pretty much Steven's oyster. And he tells Harvey that. Now, at some point, Harvey seemed to joke with Steven going along with them on this boat to travel the world as their own private chef. And Steven seemed to think it was actually a good idea. So from there, Stephen and Harvey become fast friends and they begin spending more and more time together. Now, Steven began taking more cooking classes at this point, while he and Harvey split their time between staying at Steven's house and on the boat, where they worked tirelessly to get it up to seafaring condition. And the additions they made were pretty lavish. Teak floors, new masts, state of the art electronics, a new GPS system and Internet access. And these updates continued for the next few years as their friendship blossomed, Kind of over fixing up this boat. And before long, they were mapping out their route for the trip. One version was to travel north and spend the summer in Alaska before moving down and heading towards the Caribbean for winter. Meanwhile, the two get closer and closer, spending more and more time together. But for Steven, it might have been more than just a friendship with Harvey spending all of this time with him because apparently Steven was gay and not many people knew about that. Now, whether or not there was anything more to their relationship than the promise of just being the chef on this adventure, I'm not sure. People say there's no evidence that it was romantic between the two, but other people felt it was kind of weird that he was just willing to go third wheel on this boat for so long. But it could explain why Steven felt so connected to Harvey and why he felt like he could trust his new friend when it came to managing his finances, too. Now, as I said, Steven is the first to admit he was bad with money. And one friend actually mentioned how there was a time when Steven would just forget to file his taxes for a few years at a time. So imagine how overwhelmed he must have been. When he had to figure out how to handle his father's estate after his father died. And thankfully, Harvey was a pro at that. I just watched a video that honestly shook me. A man tries to light a family's house on fire in the middle of the night. But before he can, Simplisafe's monitoring agent sees him on the family's camera, triggers the alarm, and gets emergency services on the line. That is not just security. That is protection.
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And honestly, basically think of eight sleep as a smart tech mattress cover. Again, you can't feel it. I usually warm up my bed before getting in bed at night, but honestly, I've been doing it cold lately, even throughout the night, and it has felt so good. As temperatures are still up right now.
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Dude, getting your passport stolen would be 30, 50 times worse than getting your license stolen.
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And this is even worse for him because he's just antsy to get on this trip and now it's going to delay this travel even further. And two, because there were some important business documents on that laptop with sensitive information about his accounts that held all his money. Still, that didn't stop Steven from wanting to take the boat out that May. So he told his friend at the beginning of that month that he was planning on going to Catalina island for the weekend. This was about 22 miles off the coast of Los Angeles. And this isn't really weird for Steven because he's been working on this boat for three years. So it's not weird that he's like, I'm gonna just take it for a short trip. On Thursday, May 4, 2006, another boat owner saw Stephen getting on board Harvey's boat at the marina. But then after that, May 4, 2006, Steven seemed to go radio silent. Luckily for Steven, he had a lot of close friends who were worried about him several days later, and that was including his friend Leo Rossi. Now, Leo and Steven spoke to each other almost every single day. So when three days went by with no word from Steven, we. Leo panicked. So he calls Steven. He leaves him five or six voicemails, but still doesn't hear back. So then he calls another friend, who then calls Harvey. And Harvey tells this friend, oh, yeah, Stephen was planning on taking a trip back to Hawaii for a bit to blow off some steam. And then when that friend relays back the message to the other friends who are worried, they're like, there's no way that's true.
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Okay?
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Because Steven had talked about going back to Hawaii before, and he just said he didn't really want to go back. He wasn't interested in it. But when they say this to Harvey, they're like, hey, dude, he didn't want to go to Hawaii. Harvey doubles down and insists, no, he changed his mind and made the trip back. He'll probably be home in a couple weeks.
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A couple? Okay.
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However, Leo, his friend, who initially was really worried about him, still isn't buying it, Especially when another friend tells him, oh, Harvey told me that Steven went to Mexico, not Hawaii.
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Why would. That's crazy. I mean, we obviously know where this is going. It's crazy. He's trying to cover it up and not telling. Yeah, why would you say.
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Because you forget your lies, idiot. So Leo's like, that's it. I'm filing a missing persons report. I'm not taking Harvey's word that he's in Hawaii. And So, around Steven's 59th birthday on May 14, he gets a missing persons report filed in his behalf. Now cut to four days later, March 18, 2006, the sheriff's deputy on Catalina island gets a call from the U.S. coast Guard.
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Okay?
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A boater was out in the channel between Catalina and the mainland near Los Angeles when they spotted a bunch of seagulls circling a floating object out in the water. And when they got Closer, they realized it was a human body floating face down. Now, once police are able to get out there and get the body onto a boat, they noticed a few things. One, the body seems to be a male, Though it's hard to say for sure. The decomposition and time spent in the water and has made it nearly impossible to identify this person.
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Wow.
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The person is wearing a green fleece tracksuit, gloves, and expensive deck shoes. But the most telling part is that there are already barnacles stuck to the bottom of the shoe. Now, for barnacles to grow on something like that, it means the body must have been out in those waters for at least five to 15 days. Now, unfortunately, there is no identification on the body. And at first, police suspect this might have been someone who was out working on their boat and then fell into the water accidentally and drowned. But when the body is then transported to the morgue, the autopsy tells a different story. For starters, this wasn't someone who fell off a boat and drowned, because there is a bullet hole in the John does head.
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Wow.
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And when they remove the gloves from the John Doe's hands, they noticed that this person happens to be missing three fingers that looked surgically removed prior to death. Okay, now, I haven't told you this yet, but back in high school, Steven had lost three of his fingers in a woodworking accident.
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Got it. Okay.
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So now our John Doe is missing three fingers, and Steven, who is currently missing, is also missing three fingers.
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All right?
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Now, knowing all of this, police realize they likely have a homicide investigation on their hands. So they start going through missing persons reports, and they come across the one Leo Rossi called in about his friend Stephen B. Williams 4 days ago, which matches up with the story the barnacles told, that the victim was in the water for at least five to 15 days. So they get in touch with Leo and they ask, hey, are there any features that could help us identify Steven if we find him? And he's like, oh, yeah, he actually is missing three fingers from a woodworking accident he had. And suddenly, John Doe number 88 is given a name. He is identified as 59 year old former DJ Stephen B. Williams.
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It's crazy because, I mean, I know where this is headed. I'm sure you guys all do, right? It's wild to me, the amount of cases we do that involve money. It's mind blowing how much money plays a role in, I mean, everything. I mean, even at the beginning of the case, right? I said life's expensive. Like, money plays a huge role in so many aspects of I mean, everything, to be honest.
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Obviously, I don't have, like, defined data on this, but from all the cases I researched, it seems like money is one of the top motives that police look into immediately. They immediately check out their victim's financial situation to see if there is any money motive around them in their life that would have caused this. And it's similar to, like, a love triangle, right? Like, police immediately look for these things.
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Whether it's they had a lot of money, whether they owed someone money. Money plays a role. I mean, I would say at this point, 75, 80% of the time in.
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These cases, bro's always throwing out statistics.
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I. I made the statistic up, but it sounds pretty good, so we're going to keep going with it.
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So obviously they're like, yeah, Leo, this is definitely your friend Steven's body that we found in the water. Do you know anything? And Leo's like, oh, let me tell you about this guy Harvey, who Steven was supposedly last seen with, like, getting onto his boat. And now he's telling different people. So this is one of the first places detectives pay a Visit to. On May 25, 2006, about a week after Stephen's body was found, police get a warrant to search and seize Harvey's boat in the San Pedro marina. Only Harvey isn't there, and he doesn't know about the search until a contractor named Greg Labano calls him to say, hey, dude, the police are on your boat. Now, when this contractor talks to Harvey, he doesn't seem too concerned. However, Harvey does show up shortly after that phone call at around 10am to watch police search his boat. Now, the dockmaster and the marina office manager later tell detectives Harry, oh, yeah, we saw him come by, but he didn't ask a single question or say anything about why you guys were here and on his boat. He just watched you guys for a little bit and then disappeared. Please are like, he had no question as to why we were searching his boat.
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That's insane.
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But on board the vessel, there's not a whole lot to go off of. For example, detectives find an operating manual for an expensive portable GPS system. Only that GPS system itself is nowhere to be found. And when they turn on the main GPS that had been installed inside the main cabin, they realized it had never been used. But other than that, there's no signs of a struggle on board. There's no hint of a murder weapon. Not a drop of blood from what they can tell. But police do speak to a witness. It's the same guy who actually called Harvey to tell him that police were searching his boat. Greg Labano. Now, Greg had been doing some work on the boat that night before it was searched, which was why he was even there. And afterwards, Harvey asked if he wanted to grab some dinner and drinks. Then he offered to let Greg spend the night on the boat rather than drive home. Greg said Harvey was adamant that he sleep in Steven's designated cabin. But after dinner and seeing the police search the boat and then how Harvey's acting around the entire situation, Greg starts to get a bad feeling. He noticed that Steven's room on the boat was practically sterilized, and he had been working on this boat with them for a while. This wasn't how Stephen normally kept his cabin. Now, when Greg asked Harvey where Stephen was, he's like, yeah, he actually went to Hawaii because we called off our big sailing trip. So this is kind of what's going on with Greg. As police are continuing to look into Steven's disappearance, and they get to the point of going through Steven's cell phone records, and they showed that on the afternoon of May 4, Harvey and Steven had called each other back and forth a few times. Steven's phone last showed him that same day in the area of Catalina Island. And then after that, the calls between Stephen and Harvey stopped completely. Now, obviously, none of this looks good for Harvey, because the day Steven goes missing, before anyone supposedly know he's missing, he just stops calling his friend.
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And he also knows. I mean, yeah, how do you explain Hawaii? How do you explain Mexico? It's just not going to happen.
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But they don't really have any, like, actual evidence of the murder. So police start digging into Harvey's background to see if he has the means and motive to kill his friend Stephen Williams. And it doesn't take long for them to realize Harvey Morrow does have a past. And he kind of seems like a master manipulator. Turns out while Steven was ramping up his DJ career in the 1980s, over in Colorado, Harvey was in Florida. And he wasn't importing luxury cars or working on Wall street like he had said. He was operating an investment scam selling back stocks. When the U.S. attorney's office found out about this scam, they charged his company with corruption. Surprisingly, all of the senior staffers were caught and slapped with charges, except for Harvey. He ran off to Colorado and kept his head down for eight years while the statute of limitations expired on the case. There, he married a lawyer named Deborah, which is not to be confused with his new current wife, Debbie.
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Also, how Ironic that he is in trouble with the law and that goes and marries a lawyer.
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So with Deborah he has a few kids. He also gets a huge house, a couple of Mercedes, his kids with his wife after he runs away, nine motorcycles, an expensive wardrobe. Harvey again tells everyone he's an investment banker when in reality he was working as a human resources officer. Eventually, things fell apart between Deborah and Harvey, which Harvey didn't take very well. In response, he lit one of her dresses on fire and was convicted of arson in 1996. That is when Harvey moved to Texas and met his new wife Debbie. The two get married in 2000 and eventually move to Los Angeles in 2003 where they bought a brand new boat and began outfitting it with state of the art technology. And it's around this time where they were introduced to Steven Williams.
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Where's all this money coming from?
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Oh, gosh, that's horrible.
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Now, when his friend offered to give Stephen a loan back in April, a month before his death, Stephen actually declined. He said, I am approaching Harvey. I'm gonna confront him about this, and I'm gonna get my money back. Now, Steven's friend begged him not to do it. She's like, and if you are gonna do it, please do it in a public place. She just kind of had a sense that this whole thing was weird, that Harvey had locked Steven's account, and now Steven doesn't have access to the money, and. And Harvey's just kind of giving him the run around. But Stephen doesn't take the advice. And that was the last time he would ever see his friend. Which is why police start to suspect maybe Stephen had confronted Harvey about the money on the boat that day. Maybe the two started arguing. Maybe Stephen asked where all of the money was, and if it was even there. And Harvey responded by shooting him in the head.
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Okay.
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The problem was there was zero evidence tying Harvey to the murder. Sure, he had a history of being a con man, he had very strong motive, but he didn't have any history of being a murderer. And everything we have right now is circumstantial. Still, knowing that Harvey was managing Steven's funds and stealing them was enough to file the case with the DA except for one big issue. Harvey Morrow was now on the run. Immediately after seeing the police on his boat that May, Harvey took off, leaving LA and his wife behind. After speaking with some of Harvey's connections, they were worried he might have actually left the country. Either going down to Belize, where he had some criminal ties he could rely on, or to the Virgin Islands where the offshore account was established. Turns out Harvey had a whole other idea entirely to run to a place no one expected him to go. Great falls, Montana. By September 2006, Harvey had settled down there and gotten himself a job at a used car dealership. By that point, he had already blown through all of the money from Steven and Jan and was probably looking for his next target.
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This blew through $2 million.
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Mm. And it was there that he actually became close with the manager at his place, a former cop named Joe Parsonage. Now, Harvey told Joe his wife had died in a boating accident in the Gulf of Mexico and he was looking for a fresh start. Now Joe, the ex cop, is not buying it. Harvey seemed too cocky and overly confident to be this morning husband who moved to Montana after his wife died. So Joe goes on the Internet, he looks Harvey up, and that's when he discovers that Harvey is a wanted man wanted for murder in LA County.
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Good job, Joe.
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Apparently, Harvey didn't even try to change his name. So Joe wastes zero time. He calls the police immediately to say, hey, Harvey's hiding out in my hometown. On September 20, 2006, authorities moved in on the 55 year old Harvey and finally arrested him at the used car dealership where he was now working. He was then brought back to California to face murder charges. There was still something weighing on prosecutors. Could they build a case against Harvey based on motive alone? The murder weapon was likely at the bottom of the ocean. Any DNA had been cleaned from the boat or washed away from the victim. There was little hope of finding something concrete at this point. But then a miracle happened. In February of 2007, as the prosecution was putting together their case, someone at the Los Angeles Yacht Club called The police, he said they had found something inside one of the cabinets at the club library, and they believed it was something police might be interested in.
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No way he would put it. Okay, wait. Keep going.
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Okay. Apparently, this was the area where Harvey Morrow always used to sit and read at the yacht club library. And right near it was a filing cabinet. One of the employees was going through the cabinet recently when they discovered something in the back of one of the drawers. It was a heavy object wrapped in paper towels.
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It was a gun.
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When they unfolded it, they saw it was a handheld GPS system.
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His old GPS system. Yeah.
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And the batteries were removed. So the yacht club employee took the device home, got it, new batteries, turned it on. Looked at the most recent trip. It showed a voyage from Los Angeles to the far side of Catalina Island. And even stranger, the boat seemed to move in circles for a while before it turned around and came back to the mainland. Now, this yacht club employee clearly knew about the case of the person who was wanted for murder on a boat from their yacht club and was worried this might have something to do with it. So they called police, told them what they found and that it might be evidence. And sure enough, the GPS matched the exact same manual they had found on Harvey's boat when they first searched it. It was the missing GPS from the boat. And the timing of the route matched exactly with the data from Stephen and Harvey's cell phones from that day. Now, his defense team uses a suicide theory, saying, no, Steven took his own life at trial. But Harvey's wife actually divorces him while he's sitting in jail and says, I had no idea about Steven's money. I had no idea that Harvey was even managing it. Like, I thought this was all of our own money. They claim that Steven was distraught over the mismanagement of his funds. And instead of confronting Harvey about it that day, he and Harvey were on a fishing trip that weekend when Steven shot himself and fell bored. They said the only reason Harvey took the money from Stephen and his sister was because their father and Harvey's father knew each other. And he said the Williams were indebted to the Morrows, and they had been for 20 years.
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So he's, like, making things.
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He's like, yeah, once I saw my friend take his own life, I just took the money, okay? Because I deserved it.
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The extremely strange defense.
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But I also want to say there's no evidence that the families knew each other or had a relationship.
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Wild.
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So, finally, on November 9, 2011, five years after Stephen B. Williams death, a jury reached A conclusion they found the 60 year old Harvey Morrow guilty of first degree murder.
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God.
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And murder for financial gain. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole, plus 25 years. And as for Steven's sister Jan, following the sentencing, authorities attempted to sell Harvey's yacht to help recoup some of the losses that she had suffered. They also began an investigation to see if they could recover some of the stolen funds. Now, whether or not that came to fruition is unclear. But I do know that about a year later, Jan actually passed away, seemingly from natural causes. The one silver lining is that she did get to see her brother's killer brought to justice before she said her final goodbyes. And that is the case of Stephen B. Williams Campbell.
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He had kids to Harvey. Yeah. Just like what a horrible human being.
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Also, it is eerie when someone who is a local celebrity to many people, like back in the day on the radio, their favorite dj, he then moves on with his life. He's gonna go sell the world. And then you learn that he was murdered. Yeah, it's sad because someone was stealing his money. It's just an eerie.
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It's crazy that this guy was doing stuff and like kids didn't know as well. Different wives didn't know. Just all behind someone's back.
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Scammers, man. The pipeline from fraud money to murder is insane. Like it happens so often.
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Yeah. It's actually kind of scary because I think that when you're committing a bunch of scams and you're stealing people's money and you're a con man, I think it's so easy for that person to justify murdering somebody.
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Well, because they so easy at first, they justify money. Right. It's like, well, I'm not a bad person. I just need this money to pay this person.
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I'm not hurting.
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And then they get in this web.
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Yep. And then boom.
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You've murdered someone to try to keep up with the lies.
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It's, it's wild. It's honestly crazy.
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It's actually, I think it's like a disorder.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Anyways, that is our case for this episode and we will see you next time with another one. I love it and I hate it. Goodbye.
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