306. The TikTok Double Homicide - The Murder of Ana Abulaban and Rayburn Barron

Summary

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Episode Summary: Murder With My Husband

Episode 306: The TikTok Double Homicide – The Murder of Ana Abulaban and Rayburn Barron
Hosts: Peyton and Garrett Moreland
Date: February 2, 2026

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Overview

This episode delves into the tragic double homicide of Ana Abulabon and her friend Rayburn Barron, a case that shocked social media and true crime communities alike. The hosts, Peyton (who "loves true crime") and Garrett (who "hates it"), navigate the escalation of domestic violence in the context of social media fame—particularly TikTok stardom—and how it led to a devastating conclusion in San Diego, California. They explore the rise of Ana and her husband, TikTok personality Ali Abulabon (known as "Jin Kid"), the toxic nature of their relationship, and the steps that led to a brutal murder that played out at the intersection of online personas and real-world consequences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Rise of Ana and Ali (Jin Kid)

[07:44 – 15:07]

• Ana's background: Grew up in the Philippines, moved to Okinawa, Japan, on a military base. Loyal friend, caring, a bit nerdy and socially awkward.
• Met Ali Abulabon in 2014: He was a charismatic US soldier stationed in Japan, from a Middle Eastern Muslim family but less religious.
• Early red flags: Ali assaulted one of Ana’s friends, supposedly out of jealousy—this incident resulted in his discharge from the military.
• Ana became pregnant, moved back to the Philippines, then to the US with a visa—her and Ali married and started a family in Bristow, Virginia.

The Lure & Pressure of Social Media Fame

[14:15 – 17:25]

• Ali starts making TikTok videos as "Jin Kid", specializing in impressions and short comedy. Quickly gains a following, eventually reaching 2 million followers by 2020.
• Ana initially enjoys joining the videos, but as their fame grows, she feels like she's living in Ali's world, not her own.
• Quote (Peyton, 15:17): “It’s just such an escape… you don’t know what’s real, you don’t know what’s not real...”

Behind the Curtain: Control & Escalation

[20:04 – 26:39]

• Ana’s isolation intensifies; her friends suggest she visit San Diego, which gives her a taste of independence and prompts the family’s move to California for Ali’s career.
• Ali becomes controlling, escalates drug use, and behaves erratically both privately and on social media.
• Quote (Garrett, 25:38): “The more perfect someone portrays themselves to be online, chances are the less perfect it might all be. We overcompensate a little bit as humans.”

The Signs of Abuse

[26:25 – 34:21]

• Friends witness and later describe Ali’s manipulation, restriction of Ana’s activities, and verbal abuse.
• Ali starts posting their fights online, painting himself as the victim while using demeaning language and threats.
• Alienation and threats escalate; he threatens suicide if Ana leaves, brandishes a gun in front of their daughter, and continually manipulates Ana into returning.
• When Ana threatens to expose him, Ali snaps, and his violence reaches a breaking point.

Breaking Away—and a Deadly Response

[38:21 – 43:09]

• Ana discovers Ali’s infidelity after a neighbor confesses an affair—Ali admits to multiple women.
• Ana leaves, posts about her toxic marriage online, pushing Ali’s jealousy and rage to dangerous new extremes.
• Rayburn Barron, a friend or possibly more, becomes a key support figure for Ana during her separation.

The Murders: Timeline of Events

[43:09 – 47:25]

• Ali installs a hidden listening app on Ana’s child’s iPad and hears Rayburn in the apartment.
• He returns, enters, and shoots both Rayburn and Ana—captured partially on his phone as evidence.
• After the murders:
  • Ali texts photos of the crime scene to his mother (who earlier enabled his behavior).
  • He picks up his daughter, with a friend (Julia) trying desperately to intervene.
  • Police apprehend Ali without further violence; his daughter is traumatized by her father’s confession and arrest.

Quote (Garrett, 47:59): “He starts breaking down because he lost his baby...Not his daughter, not his wife. No, because of all of this, I’ve now lost my online platform, my followers, my fame.”

Legal Consequences and Aftermath

[48:03 – 49:50]

• At trial, evidence shows premeditation (searches for “chopped up bodies,” etc.) and a history of abuse.
• On May 29, 2024, Ali Abulabon is convicted of two counts of first-degree murder—life without parole.
• The case is featured in the Peacock documentary "TikTok Star Murders."
• Ana’s daughter, Amira, is left orphaned and traumatized; Ana’s family receives community support.

Reflections on Domestic Violence

[49:50 – 50:44]

• The hosts emphasize how domestic violence can escalate to murder, especially when compounded by isolation and psychological control.
• Quote (Peyton, 49:50): “Domestic violence… it just escalates. It escalates and there always seems…it always seems to end in murder…is so dangerous because so many can end up like this.”
• Resource shared: National Domestic Violence Hotline—1-800-799-7233, thehotline.org, or text BEGIN to 88788.

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Memorable Quotes and Timestamps

• “Every single like can create a serotonin boost… and if this attention starts to fade away, it can be like an addict coming down from a high.”
  — Garrett, [07:15]

• “You just… we all know social media is not real life.”
  — Peyton, [25:10]

• “Control, gaslighting, threats… and in Ana’s case she does feel like Ollie has power and control over her. She doesn’t want to lose her visa… could mean losing her daughter too. It’s an intense situation.”
  — Garrett, [30:35]

• [Rayburn]: “He was a real bright light in the story for Ana, honestly, like a knight in shining armor…”
  — Garrett, [39:34]

• “He turns his camera on, his phone on to start recording what’s about to happen in this video, which is obviously going to become evidence…you hear him open the apartment door. Then you can hear Rayburn’s voice saying, ‘Whoa.’ Followed by four gunshots.”
  — Garrett, [43:28]

• “He starts breaking down because he lost his baby…Not his daughter, not his wife. No, because of all of this, I’ve now lost my online platform, my followers, my fame.”
  — Garrett, [47:59]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [07:43] – Introduction to Ana and Ali Abulabon’s relationship
• [15:17] – Discussion of the effects of early TikTok fame
• [20:04] – Ana’s growing loneliness and isolation
• [26:25] – Details of Ali’s controlling and abusive tendencies
• [34:21] – The moment Ana begins to fight back and seek help
• [38:21] – Ana discovers Ali’s infidelities, decides to leave
• [43:09] – The day of the murders and Ali’s actions
• [47:25] – Ali’s jailhouse interview; lack of remorse
• [48:32] – The verdict, aftermath, and documentary

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain a conversational, sometimes bantering tone—with Peyton driven by a passion for true crime and Garrett providing a more incredulous, emotional, and skeptical counterpoint. They intersperse serious moments with candid reflections, especially relating to the realities of domestic violence and the illusion of social media relationships.

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Final Thoughts

"Double Homicide: The Murder of Ana Abulabon and Rayburn Barron" is a sobering exploration of how toxic dynamics, unchecked fame, and fame-obsessed narcissism can result in tragedy. The episode highlights how domestic violence can be both insidious and explosive, especially when abusers leverage both technology and social perceptions to exert control. The hosts remind listeners of the critical importance of recognizing warning signs, supporting victims, and the availability of resources for those in dangerous situations.

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Transcript

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[B]

She's embarrassed.

[A]

And I get up and I take her and it's 10 degrees outside and I sit there and I'm like, daisy, please hurry up. And she takes a dump every night and I don't really know what to do.

[B]

We can't do doggy door. She's too small to be going outside. There's big animals that could get her. So she can't go out alone.

[A]

And so I have to take her out. And it's fine. I do it every single night. But if anyone has any tricks, it doesn't even matter what time we feed her. I'll feed her at 12 in the afternoon or I'll feed her at 11 o' clock at night. 3:30am Dump.

[B]

I think we just have to say no.

[A]

But I don't want her to poop on my bed.

[B]

I know, but I think she. It's her routine.

[A]

Yeah, I think it is. I think you're right. I think at this point she's so used to me taking her at that.

[B]

Time she's like, I go potty in the middle of the night.

[A]

What do you get up? We're going potty. This is our thing. Anyways, that's it. Rambling a little bit. Let's get into today's case.

[B]

Our sources for this episode are NBC San Diego, San Diego.gov CBS8.com Times of San Diego.com New York Post 10 news.com people.com oxygen.com USA Inquirer.net e online.com rolling stone.com variety.com and Tik Tok star murders. Oh, okay, that makes a little sense. Because nowadays anyone can become a celebrity without ever stepping foot out of their front door. With things like YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, even only fans, all you really need is a cell phone to get your face in front of thousands, if not millions of people. But when fame is that accessible and that achievable to just about anyone, the smallest taste can be like a drug. Every single like can create a serotonin boost. Every positive comment is a hit that leaves you wanting more. And if this attention starts to fade away, it can be like an addict coming down from a high. And over time, it can turn people into someone we no longer recognize, including a cold blooded killer.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

And so today I want you guys to meet Ana Marie Abulabon. Hello, Baba baby. Now, Ana spent her early years growing up in the Philippines in the mid-90s. But with her father in the military, they eventually moved to Okinawa, Japan, and lived on the base there. And that's where Anna made a lot of lifelong friends. Other kids who were living on the base in this sub subtropical part of the country, they made memories on the beaches there together. And friends of Anna said in the early years she was like most teenagers, she was a little nerdy, she was finding herself, she loved video games, she was maybe a little insecure, socially awkward. But Anna was one of the most caring, compassionate people they had ever met. And she was a loyal friend through and through. And those friends helped her find her confidence over the years as she blossomed into a beautiful, empowered young woman. And then she met Ali Abulabon. It was 2014 when 21 year old Ana laid eyes on 22 year old Ali for the first time. He was a US soldier in the military from Virginia, but also stationed on the base in Japan where she lived. And while she was quiet and more reserved, Ali was always the center of attention. He had a huge personality, he was the singer in a band and right away they gravitated towards each other in an opposites attract sort of way. Ali came from a Middle Eastern Muslim family, so they were a lot more religious than Ana's family. But Ali himself didn't consider religion a big part of his like outside life personality. In fact, he almost seemed to butt heads with his family quite a bit when it came to traditionalism. He was always sort of the black sheep of the family, the loud, boisterous one who was making home videos, doing different skits and dances and characters for the camera. It was clear to everyone who knew Ali that he wanted to make something of himself one day. Honestly, he kind of wanted to be a star, which may be why he found that college wasn't for him. He dropped out early and joined the Air Force when he was around 19 years old. Ali told people he really wanted to better himself, both mentally and physically, and he felt the Air Force was the way to do that. So he was stationed in Japan for what was supposed to be about two to three years of service. But things didn't go exactly as planned. So not long after Ali and Anna started dating, they were out at a bar with a few other people. And that night a drunk Ali got into a fight with one of Ana's friends and actually assaulted them. Some thought it was because Ali was jealous. This person had made a pass at his new girlfriend. Really, it was just one of the earliest red flags. And I'm not sure exactly what happened during this fight, but I do know it got back to Ollie's superiors on base, and it got him discharged from the military, which meant Ali was now headed back to America. But he and Anna weren't quite ready to call it quits, because just a few weeks after Ali returned to live with his family in Bristow, Virginia, in 2015, Ana learned she was pregnant. Now, by this point, Ana's family had moved back to the Philippines. And after Ali went back to America, Ana moved back in with her parents in her home country to figure out her next steps. So they've both left Japan, returned home to their families, but Ana is pregnant. But now it seemed like the universe was making decisions for them. Both Ana and Ali were excited but nervous, though they saw this as a sign that they were definitely meant to be together. So Ali helped Ana apply for a visa so she could move to the United States and they could be together as a family. Now, of course, this did take some time, and eventually, Ana gave birth to the couple's little girl back in the Philippines, and. And they named her Amira. And when she was about nine months old, Ollie and Anna received some good news. Ana was approved to move to the States with their young daughter. And by the end of 2016, Ana and Amira were in Bristow, Virginia, living with Ollie and his family all underneath the same roof. Now, In January of 2017, they decided to make their relationship more official. They didn't have a huge, elaborate wedding. Instead, they just went down to the courthouse. But to Ollie and Anna, only one thing was important at the time. Starting their lives together as one happy family. And around this same time, social media was seeing a massive shift. TikTok, formerly musically, had launched in 2016, and it was clear that anyone could become a celebrity from their own home using nothing but their phone, maybe a ring light. I think this, like, first started with vine, where you were seeing average people blow up and get so many followers. And for Ollie, it was the perfect tool. As the kid who always wanted to entertain and be the center of attention, Ollie saw TikTok as a way to gain more exposure early on, get his face and his antics in front of more people. So he hopped on the app a lot earlier than the rest of us, and. And he navigated it pretty well. He began making little comedy videos, imitating characters from video games, characters from movies like John Wick and his iconic Al Pacino in Scarface. And honestly, he was pretty good at it. He really committed to the bit and was incredible at doing impressions. And little by little, he gained a following on the app under the handle Jin kid on.

[A]

On TikTok.

[B]

Yes. Okay, so a gin in Japanese is like an entity or ghost, if I'm understanding. Right. And Ollie thought it was a catchy word to attach kid to. And since he had served in Japan, well, came up with the name. And from there it was off to the races. And the more views, likes and followers he got, the more Ali lost himself in Jin Kid. He becomes obsessed with his platform. He begins including Anna in a lot of his videos. It almost seemed like something they really enjoyed doing together. In a lot of those early TikToks, they're seen together, laughing, joking around, having a lot of fun. Anna would even play characters in some of his skits. She said it brought them closer than ever before.

[A]

Social media is a such a wild place. It's crazy. Unlike anything else out there, right?

[B]

Especially those early days.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, even now, though, like, it's just such a. Like an escape. Like you don't know what's real. You don't know what's not real. You don't know how people really are behind closed doors. It's just such an interesting place.

[B]

And think, like 2017, 2018, couples doing skits was not as big as it became in like 2021.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

So they were definitely like, early on that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now she says it really brought them closer together. And it actually brought even more attention to Ollie's page by having Anna in those videos. So they become a couple page, essentially. And then around 2019 into 2020, probably like for any other TikToker, things really started picking up steam. Ollie got himself a manager to help promote his content. He started getting some small brand deals, becoming an influencer. Plus, his videos were going viral by now. One day, one of Ana's old friends was fed Jin Kid's content on her feed and was shocked to see Ana in a video alongside him. And that's when a lot of people started to realize they were becoming TikTok famous. By 2020, keep in mind, this is when, like, most of us were getting on the app. Ollie had amassed 2 million followers, and Ana's fame was starting to grow separately on her own account. Now, now, when the pandemic hit, Anna, bored and stuck at home, began making her own videos with her friends. And partially thanks to Ali, her following got bigger and bigger. Too soon her style changed. She began dressing differently. She began working out more. She was getting brand deals, was finding her confidence, but it wasn't really what made her happy. Her family, daughter and friends were what was most important to her and unlike Ollie, TikTok felt more like a hobby to her than a passion. And while she was definitely getting more attention online, she felt lonelier and lonelier at home. As they began blowing up, I wonder.

[A]

Gosh, 2020, this is such an awkward time because they probably weren't making their money full time from brands. Like, it was just, it was still pretty new at that point, I feel like, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

I mean like Hype house probably hasn't even started yet.

[A]

Yeah. So it's like, I don't know if brands were really, I would assume paying.

[B]

What they pay now.

[A]

They payment now?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

No idea. I've never done a TikTok ad, so wrong person to ask, but it was.

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[A]

Interesting. I mean, yeah, that'd be tough. That'd be tough.

[B]

And if you're not someone who like, well, also, she's just a mom. She has an entire life. It's not as easy as, like, just being a young adult on your own, going somewhere new and trying to make friends. So when she gets back to Virginia, she pitched something to Ollie. She's like, hey, why don't we move to California for a little while, try it out. It definitely took some convincing. But with LA being just a few hours from San Diego, Ollie saw the benefit for his career. Ultimately, he wanted his fame to grow beyond tick tock. He wanted to become an actor, a comedian, get On a bigger screen. So he eventually agreed. And In February of 2021, Ollie, Anna and their baby Amira moved out to California. They got a place in a luxury apartment building overlooking the water high above the city.

[A]

So they, I mean, they're making money at this point.

[B]

It sounds like on the 35th. I mean, they have millions of. Of followers. And at first, Anna was really grateful that Ollie agreed to move. So much so that she felt she had to do whatever it took to make him comfortable there. Now that he was moving somewhere, he didn't have anyone. So she encouraged Ollie to go up to LA for several nights in a row, meet up with other creators, and maybe even try out some standup comedy in a few nightclubs.

[A]

Is so interesting. I wonder if I've seen him on TikTok.

[B]

I bet you probably have.

[A]

Like, I wonder if I've seen his face, if I would recognize it because the name does not ring any bells.

[B]

She was definitely supportive in letting him chase his dreams in California too. But when people started recognizing Ali out in public and the fame began to seep into real life, people say it brought out the worst in him. Turns out a lot of Anna's friends said they never really liked Ali. They found him intolerable and obnoxious. That he talked about himself constantly, would say uncomfortable things, always thought he was better than everyone else. Even before the fame, he would walk into rooms and say things like, don't you know who I am? And at this point, the partying was getting really out of control.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Both Anna and Ollie would go out often, and Ollie began using a lot of cocaine. Soon it extended to nights when they weren't even out at the clubs. They would be dining at a restaurant and Ollie would pull out a baggie at the table.

[A]

A baggie. Don Drugs, kids.

[B]

People felt like he felt he was allowed to do whatever he wanted with no repercussions. Eventually he even started using drugs. During his live streams. Anna would tell him to stop and put the phone down in those moments.

[A]

I don't think you can do that.

[B]

No, you can't. I mean, what, 20, 21?

[A]

Yeah, it's not as regulated yet. Yeah.

[B]

And like on live, the audience begins to see this behavior too, because he's now like sneaking drugs during a live. And Ana's in the back like, don't do that. And he will like full blown yell at her in like on live, just snapping her.

[A]

I need to look videos up after this. Yeah. Oh, so you're going.

[B]

Luke's gonna be there.

[A]

I told you we're going to hotel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is the after party and you're going, why do you think I can bring a kid? Because nobody's there about girls. You stupid.

[B]

Obviously. Like, the couple would caption their videos with things like when your relationship is drama free, like other relationship videos out there.

[A]

That's what I'm saying, though. You just.

[B]

We all know social media is not real life.

[A]

Never believe anything you see on social media.

[B]

And it is always interesting with couple creators to see, like, they're posting these videos, like, just couple videos. And then the next day they post a video being like, we're breaking up, Bye. And people get so confused because they're like, whoa, you were still posting and like, skits, you know, I understand.

[A]

It's a job now. It's a job, Right. So they're doing it because they have brand deals with the job. They're trying to make money, yada, yada, yada.

[B]

For sure. But that's the thing. It's a job.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And honestly, the more perfect someone portrays themselves to be online, chances are, the less perfect it might all be. We overcompensate a little bit as humans. And that was certainly the case with Anna and Ollie. Anna's friends said from the moment they moved to San Diego, they could tell how controlling Ollie was. She had to ask his permission to go out.

[A]

Oh, geez.

[B]

And oftentimes. Give me a break. No, he wanted to control what she was doing. He had control over what she was wearing, who she was spending her time with. And a lot of that had to do with the fact that Ana was happy in San Diego. Finally. She had her own community there. She was coming out of her shell, and she was gaining her own following, getting attention and positive reinforcement from strangers both online and in the real world.

[A]

And sounds like he was jealous.

[B]

He was threatened by it. So he starts saying things to exercise that control. Things like, well, I'm the one that brought you to America. You wouldn't have any of this.

[A]

Oh, that's insane.

[B]

I'm the one who brought you here. I'm the one who started musically, basically treating her like property, honestly, rather than just this partner that's on this venture with him and Anna. And Ollie did a good job of hiding these marital issues for a while. Friends of Anna's new. Ollie wasn't a good match for her. Buddy was her husband. They had a kid together. They just didn't feel like it was their place to step in because she wasn't being as open about these things. That is, until spring of 2021, just a few months after they moved to San Diego, because with the couple now closer to Ana's friends, they got a peek into what was really going on behind closed doors. And it was not good. One afternoon around that time, Ana and her friend Julia went to the gym and. And then back to Ana's apartment to pick up Amira. Julia said Ollie was there, and when they showed up, he was incredibly mad at Ana for something. So he pulled her into the bedroom to talk to her because Julia is there. But then Julia can hear them fighting. She could tell that it was escalating. He began throwing things. He was screaming obscenities. And then suddenly, Anna came bursting out of the room, grabbed Amira, and rushed Julia out of the apartment. It seems like what? Anna actually stayed at Julia's house that night with her daughter. Because Julia said Ollie was texting Anna non stop for the next 24 hours, demanding that she bring their daughter home. And that's when the concern really started to set in for Julia. Having witnessed it firsthand, she wondered if this was a regular occurrence. Like this level of fear fighting. Yeah, you know, taking the child and leaving. But Anna played it off, saying, no, we'll talk it out later. It was just a bad fight. Everything's gonna be fine. Which is even, like, more of a red flag, because clearly it's not. It soon became clear, though, to not just Anna's friends, but to their followers as well, that this was becoming the norm between Anna and Ollie, because over time, it wasn't just on live streams. Ollie starts recording their fights as well.

[A]

No way. And posting them.

[B]

Posting them for sympathy. He's like, oh, this is a toxic relation. Look at what I have to put up with. Like, literally the victim.

[A]

That's. That's wild. Talk to me. Respond to my text. I gave you seven texts. You're not responding. You're not answering my calls. You said you're not going out tonight. You lie to me all the time.

[B]

Like, he's clearly unwell because he's posting it, trying to be the victim. But in the videos, he's saying things like, you're my woman. B word. I brought you to this country. You should be kissing my feet. And I know this sounds like, outrageous, but my. I add, there are still creators on TikTok today with mass following that, like, it's exploitative, the things that they're famous for. There's people who have tons of following because their house is messy or have tons of.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, it's like not, not just like.

[A]

Yeah, but this is like teeter tot. I mean teeter time. This is like domestic violence at this point. Domestic abuse.

[B]

Oh, 100%. 100%. But yeah, weird how TikTok literally people mass followings for negative reasons.

[A]

I mean there's. I mean there's TV shows around, like hoarders and stuff, right? It's the same thing.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. He starts recording, posting these things. He would also yell at her for not having sex with him, saying it's been almost a month, she's got to be seeing someone else because how she could, how could she go that long without having sex with him? I mean, this was really personal stuff he was blasting out to followers.

[A]

The reason she's not having sex with you is because you guys are fighting, dude.

[B]

And it's wildly disturbing, but it's also some of the many signs of being in a domestically abusive relationship. Control, gaslighting threats. And in honest case, she does feel like Ollie has power and control over her. She doesn't want to lose her visa.

[A]

Yeah, I get that.

[B]

She doesn't want to get sent back to the Philippines. That could mean losing her daughter too. It's a, it's a intense situation. And in one of these videos, Anna even calls Ollie's mother to try and have her mediate between the two of them. And she's no help at all. She says to Anna, well, why do you keep getting back with him? What do you want me to do? Do you want me try to put him in jail? Meanwhile, Anna's just trying to get him out of the house for a while and is hoping to find some sympathy and support.

[A]

What a great mother in law, by the way.

[B]

And I think there was a section of people too who maybe thought this was performative, like skits to. To try to get views. You know, it's like those couples who post cheating things like finding out my husband's cheating on me. But it's every single video in a different way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm sure there were people that were like, oh, this is just clickbait, you know. But over time, these threats begin changing. Around July of 2021, he starts threatening suicide. He tells Anna that he'll take his own life if she leaves him. But Anna also knows this home is no longer safe for her daughter. Ollie has a gun in the house and apparently even takes it out of its case one day and starts pointing it at himself during a fight while Amira, their daughter, is sleeping on the couch. But every time Anna Takes her daughter and leaves. Ollie love bombs her, begs her to come back, tries to win her over. Textbook behavior. Terrifying. And in this case, it is exacerbated by his obsession with fame and his cocaine addiction. Because he's putting these fights on social media and people are supporting him, people begin making nasty comments about Anna, feeding into the behavior.

[A]

How have I never seen this?

[B]

It's just a niche corner.

[A]

Niche, millions of fault. Niche corner. Yeah, that's a big. In 20, 21, 22. That's a lot.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I had to have seen one of these and just not realized this is crazy.

[B]

Which in Ollie's mind, must reassure his thoughts, like, oh, you know, I'm the victim to my audience. But you can see how people like Anna might get trapped in these scenarios and can't see a way out. Usually, the abuser has something they're holding over their victim's head. In this case, it's her daughter. Plus, it's possible she didn't feel like anyone could truly help her. And I say this because Ana calls the police to their apartment several times, and Ollie records these interactions, too. You can hear him in one video, sweet talking the cops and laying on the charm, saying to them that his wife just wants him to leave the house so she can have it to herself and saying, quote, it's a woman's world, man. One morning, Anna even called Ollie's cousin Louie, who also lived in San Diego, and asked him to come pick her and Amira up. He brought her over to Julia's house, where they saw the whole left side of her face was bruised. After that, Anna began texting him pictures, threatening to post them online, expose who he really was, saying, I'm going to show all the followers what you've done to me. But that's when Ollie snapped.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

The last thing he wanted was to look like the villain, especially to his online following. Losing that fame would mean losing everything to Ollie, and he was not going to let that happen. And while things escalated from there, the violence wasn't something new in this relationship. While Ollie and his mother denied this, apparently Ollie had punched Anna in the face back when they started dating in Japan.

[A]

What's up with Ollie's mom, yo? I don't. I don't even care if she's listening to this. That's just messed up. You like, supporting domestic abuse and violence is crazy to me. It's just not. It's not okay.

[B]

And that might have had something to do with why he was discharged from the military. But around the fall of 2021 Ali does something that really makes Ana say okay, enough is enough. This message is sponsored by Greenlight. In every true crime case, money lurks in the background. Whether it's the motive, the breaking point or the COVID up, financial stress can definitely push people into desperate choices. Greenlight is a debit card and money app for families. Think of it as the ultimate safety net teaching kids and teens about money before bad habits or costly mistakes can take hold. Parents can send money quickly, track every purchase with real time notifications and and assign chores for allowance so your home stays orderly. Greenlight helps kids learn how to save, invest and build confidence with money. These are the skills that keep them from becoming victims of scams, fraud or financial missteps down the line. Gert and I have talked about this all the time, but I don't understand why green light isn't required for every single kid growing up. It's like we learned so much in school that we don't use on a day to day basis. But money and money education is something you use every single day as an adult and it is so smart to start it as a child. Give your kids the financial education many of us never got. Join millions of parents already using Greenlight, the number one family finance and safety app. Garrett's younger siblings actually use Greenlight and it is so amazing to see them understand how debit cards work allowances. They honestly have so much more education around money than I ever did. Start your risk free Greenlight trial [e-mail] husband that's greenlight.com husband to get started greenlight.com husband alright you guys, we are getting into an ad and you've definitely heard us talk about Hungryroot before so you know how much I love it because it truly simplifies my life. Hungryroot plans all my meals and groceries for the week. It fills my cart and delivers everything I'll need to eat healthy every single day. All while fitting my health goals, dietary preferences and budget. My favorite thing I discovered from Hungryroot is my Mary Ruth vitamin. Honestly, I'm so grateful that I ever used Hungryroot in the first place because it introduces me to so many healthy options. And unlike other food delivery companies, Hungryroot now has over 50,000 chef crafted recipes to choose from each week with many ready in just 15 minutes or less. And honestly you guys, Hungry Root is so you. It comes in the best packaging and it is so easy. My favorite thing is that I can get on. I can look up a recipe via Hungry Root that looks Yummy. And then I click add to cart and it shows me all of the ingredients I'm going to need to make it. And I can pick and choose which ones I need to purchase based on what I already have in my pantry. It is so smart. I have no idea why this hadn't existed before. You're going to love Hungry Root as much as I do. For a limited time, get 40 off your first box. Plus get a free item in every box for life. Go to hungryroot.com husband and use code husband. That's hungryroot.com husband code husband to get 40 off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. Because after months, maybe even years of falsely accusing her of cheating on him, a neighbor in their building reaches out to Anna and she says, hey, just so you know, I slept with your husband. She said the two of them met in the building elevator. She was a neighbor. He invited her over. They were messing around. And then she learned he had a wife. This woman also said that he poured out a huge bag of cocaine on their coffee table and they were just doing massive amounts.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

While talking horribly about Anna. And that's when the other woman realized, okay, he's basically trouble and I'm gonna let Anna know. So Anna confronts Ollie about it, and he admits it. He even doubles down. He starts sending her voice notes saying that he slept with girls in Los Angeles and m Miami.

[A]

What is happening?

[B]

That he's been finding attention elsewhere because she doesn't give it to him and she disrespects him. She's been depriving him of sex. I mean, just awful things. And that's when Anna realizes, I'm done. Done. She packs up her stuff, takes a mirror, and the two move out of the apartment and let Ollie stay there alone. Now, on October 6, 2021, Anna decides to update her following. She posts a video talking about how she's feeling finally out of a seven year toxic relationship and an abusive marriage. And this hits a nerve with Ollie because again, he believes TikTok is his domain. And now he's afraid his reputation will be on the line, that his followers will even side with her. And what makes him even more pissed is he thinks at this point, Anna has her eye on someone else, Someone she's been friends with for a while that's maybe becoming a little more than friends.

[A]

I'm so confused. After he slept with multiple women, it's just talk.

[B]

Toxic. Yeah, a guy named Rayburn Barron. Now, Rayburn was 29 years old. He was someone who always put his friends and family before himself. And that very much included Anna, especially when she was going through the most trying time of her young life. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot out there about Rayburn, and he often gets lost in Anna and Ollie's story. But I can tell you one thing. He. He was a real bright light in the story for Anna, honestly, like a knight in shining armor. Someone who taught her that she was worthy of real love. Someone who seemed to teach her courage, give her new lease on life. There's debate about whether there was anything romantic going on between the two of them. Some of her friends say no, they were just friends. Others say there was more to it. But they were getting very close. By that October, and with Rayburn's help, it seems like Ana was finally on the track to leaving Ollie for good. And Ollie knew Rayburn was a factor in this. He had always been jealous of him. When he came around, maybe he sensed there was something between the two of them, but he made it clear he did not like Rayburn. And when he heard they were spending more time together after their separation, that's when things really escalated. Ana was still receiving daily, if not hourly, threats from Ali, but she was looking towards the future, trying not to give it too much oxygen. She was happy and living with a weight off her shoulders. Finally, though, some of her friends were definitely worried about what Ollie was capable of. They knew he was manipulative, conniving, he had a gun. But Anna always reassured them, listen, he's not going to do anything to like critically hurt me. Unfortunately, though, Ali was already planning his next move. One day in mid October, he told Anna that he would go stay in a hotel so that she and Amira could live at the apartment. Anna's like, oh, okay, this is an olive branch. But Ali knew it was an opportunity. They moved her things in and his things out. But he got a copy of the new set of electronic key cards she made without her knowledge. And on October 21st, he does something will change the course of a lot of people's lives. That day, Ana's back in the apartment with amira and takes 5 year old amira to school that morning. But while she's gone, Ollie shows up and lets himself back into the apartment. And not to get like some of his leftover belongings, no, he goes in and trashes the entire apartment. He also puts an app on his daughter's iPad, basically like a listening app. And then he hides the iPad under the couch. So around 11am, Anna returns Ollie is gone, but it's obvious he was there because the place is a mess. Probably a distraction for hiding the iPad in the first place. So she calls her friend Julia and says, hey, I need your help. It's going to take me all day to clean this place. There's stuff all over the floor, broken glass. She wants to know if Julia can pick Amira up at school in a few hours. And Julia's like, yeah, I got this, but Anna, you gotta get out of there. Anna says she knows and is planning to go straight to the police station after she's done to get a restraining order against Ollie. Now, after Anna hangs up with Julia, she calls Rayburn and asks, hey, can you come by and help me clean up this mess? So he does. But then what does Ollie hear from the listening app on the iPad?

[A]

Everything.

[B]

Rayburn's voice inside Ana's apartment. And he loses his mind. He gets in his car, drives back to the apartment complex. Around 2:50pm he Parks and then gets in the elevator and.

[A]

Dude, what a. What an absolute loser.

[B]

It's about to get worse.

[A]

What a loser. Yeah.

[B]

He turns his camera on, his phone on to start recording what's about to happen in this video, which is obviously going to become evidence. You can see him making small talk with someone on the ride up to the 35th floor, as if nothing is wrong. He then gets off the elevator, and while it's just audio at this point because he's like, not holding his phone up, you hear him open the apartment door. Then you can hear Rayburn's voice saying, whoa. Followed by four gunshots.

[A]

Holy crap.

[B]

Anna is yelling as you can hear Ollie in the video reload the gun and fire two more times.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

He then shot her. Taking both of their lives. Then he leaves the apartment, paces the hallway, then goes back inside. And that's when he screams Anna's name a few times, acting like he just realized what he did.

[A]

I don't even care what the scum of the earth. Just low, low, low, insane, insane.

[B]

And then what does he do?

[A]

I don't know. Oh. Kills himself.

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Tells his mom.

[A]

Tell me what the mom said. What did the mom say?

[B]

He says, hey, I just shot my wife and her friend. His mom doesn't believe him, so he takes pictures of the crime scene and texts them to her as proof.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

A short while later, Julia is on her way to the school to pick up Amira, which, like, let's just not forget that they have a full blown daughter at school. As she's pulling up to the school. She sees Ali getting into his car with Amira. This obviously terrifies Julia because she's like, I know the situation here. Like, Anna does not want you picking her up. Like, there's no mistake here. So she starts following Ollie and calling Anna repeatedly to be like, hey, he just picked her up. Obviously. Of course, Anna's not answering. Eventually, Ollie makes a turn, and Julia loses him. But luckily, the cops were already on his trail.

[A]

Thank goodness. Okay.

[B]

A neighbor had heard the gunshots and called 911 immediately. And they knew Ollie. They saw him in the hallway, so they knew it was him who had done it. So police quickly put out an APB for Ollie and his black Jeep Wrangler because they have his name. And thank goodness, they catch him quickly on the highway without much incident, because Amir is still in the car. Who knows?

[A]

This isn't. This is horrible.

[B]

Ali apparently had even told the little girl when he picked her up that day that he had hurt Mommy. It's what she tells police that day. She also watched her father get arrested by the police.

[A]

Poor girl. Like, just. He not only ruined other people's lives, he ruined his own. He ruined his daughter's life. Sorry, ruin is the wrong word. He caused a tremendous amount of trauma, and now she doesn't have a mom and she doesn't have a dad, and.

[B]

This is, like, attached to her.

[A]

Yeah. So sad.

[B]

Meanwhile, news is starting to spread to Ana's friends that something's wrong because, like, Julia is now onto something. Something's going on, and they're pretty sure it's what they've all been dreading. Five hours after being taken into custody, Ollie just ups and confesses to the murders. He was charged with two counts of first degree as well as charges. And while Ollie is in jail awaiting trial, he does an interview. And not only does he show very little remorse for what he did, but he keeps referring in this interview to everything as his.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like, he accuses Rayburn of kissing his wife in his house, on his couch, like, still. And at the end of the interview, he starts breaking down because he lost his baby. He's not talking about Amira. He's saying that because of all of this, he lost his online platform. Not his daughter, not his wife. No, because of all of this, I've now lost my online platform, my followers, my fame.

[A]

Yeah, just narcissist. Just straight victimhood.

[B]

It's gross. But I want to talk about the trial because the biggest factor is whether he should get first or second degree Murder was This premeditated or spur of the moment? I'm not going to even entertain the defense's argument here because you heard the story. This violence was not a one time deal. And outside of everything he did to make Anna's life and his daughter's life a living hell, there was additional evidence on his computer and phone searches that he had made before the murder for trash cans, chopped up bodies, exploitation of minors.

[A]

Holy crap.

[B]

He was unwell. He had been for a long time and the jury knew it. So on May 29, 2024, the jury found him guilty of two counts of first degree murder.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Ali or Jin kid will spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of parole. In 2024, a documentary was released on Peacock called TikTok Star Murders that told Anna's story through the memory of her closest friends. And some of those women said that they had since parted ways after Anna's death, all grieving separately. But the documentary kind of brought them all back together. A GoFundMe was set up for Anna's family after her death. Her body was sent back to the Philippines so she could be buried in her hometown. The family welcomes any happy memories, kind words, or nice stories anyone has to share in Anna's memory. And if you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, please know there is always a way out. Call the National Domestic violence hotline at 1-800-799-7233. Go to the hotline.org or text begin to 88788. And that is the murder of Anna and Rayburn.

[A]

Domestic violence, man, it is. It's just. It's so sad because it's scary how it just escalates. It escalates and there always seems. Okay, not always, but I mean, in the cases we cover, at least it always seems to end in murder because this is the podcast we're on. But domestic violence in general is so dangerous because so many can end up like this. Yeah, it's like so dangerous.

[B]

It is not far out. I think sometimes it's like murder is so far away. And it's like in domestic violence situations, it's actually not. And domestic violence is so common, like you're saying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, you guys, that was our episode for this week. Please just take some time. Remember Anna, her family, her daughter again, if you were, you know, her family said they love any kind words or memories, but just take this day to think about them and we will see you next time with another episode. I love it.

[A]

I hate it.

[B]

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