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Peyton Moreland
You're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Hey everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Peyton Moreland.
Garrett Moreland
And I'm Garrett Moreland.
Peyton Moreland
And he's the husband.
Garrett Moreland
I'm the husband.
Peyton Moreland
Happy Monday.
Garrett Moreland
Welcome back. Happy Monday. Thank you for being here. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. Thank you for showing up. Thank you for subscribing all of it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Here we are recording, ready for a true crime episode. What'd you guys do this weekend? Anything fun?
Peyton Moreland
What did we do?
Garrett Moreland
Work?
Peyton Moreland
Oh, yeah, we worked.
Garrett Moreland
We worked. Our anniversary is soon.
Peyton Moreland
Oh, yeah.
Garrett Moreland
Tuesday.
Peyton Moreland
Tuesday, I think.
Garrett Moreland
Gosh. 27 years married.
Peyton Moreland
That's insane.
Garrett Moreland
Crazy. No, it's nine years married.
Peyton Moreland
Yeah.
Garrett Moreland
Nine years married.
Peyton Moreland
Holy smokes. That means we're getting old.
Garrett Moreland
I know. Nine years married is a long time.
Peyton Moreland
Dude, you know what? I was looking at our wedding pictures the other day.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah?
Peyton Moreland
We were so small.
Garrett Moreland
Oh, we were, baby. Oh, babe. We got married when we were like babies.
Peyton Moreland
Who. Who in their right mind agreed to that? Who in their right mind said, yeah, let's let these two children get married
Garrett Moreland
as soon as you turn 18. I guess you can technically do whatever you want.
Peyton Moreland
Geez.
Garrett Moreland
And we said, hey, let's go get married.
Peyton Moreland
We sure did.
Garrett Moreland
Yep. Nine year anniversary. That's about it. Hi, Daisy. Daisy's sick. Not sure what, but she hasn't been feeling good, so she's just chilling. But she'll be okay.
Peyton Moreland
She slept, like, in my neck, brook of my neck last night. That's how I knew she was sick.
Garrett Moreland
Poor girl. I'm gonna get right into 10 seconds. I need a hot take for my 10 seconds today.
Peyton Moreland
Here, take my hand. Take my hand. Yeah, do it.
Garrett Moreland
Why?
Peyton Moreland
I'll show you. I'm your hot take. What? There you go.
Garrett Moreland
That was good.
Peyton Moreland
You're done.
Garrett Moreland
You're cute, babe. I thought you were going to, like,
Peyton Moreland
do something like pull your finger.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, okay. All right. I have a hot take. I don't know if it's a hot take. It might make some people mad. I want to start with saying that the city, my bagel shop is amazing. They've been great. I got everything done really, really fast. And I appreciate it. Like, when I say fast, like, fast, like, permits were approved within weeks. That's unheard of. I feel like. I think, oh, man, I want to make some people mad because I know some of you probably work for a city. I think anything that has to do with permits and building. I don't think I can say it out loud. I'm gonna get canceled.
Peyton Moreland
What?
Garrett Moreland
I think. I think it should all. I think it should just not exist. Like, I think they should all be. I don't wanna say fired. There's other jobs in the city, but anything to do with, like, cities getting permits approved to build something, yada, yada, yada. I think that it should all be done just via software, like automatic. Like, you upload and there's this parameters and intelligence that automatically knows what needs to be approved and not approved. And it's done like that. If it's rejected, it comes back to you. You fix what you need to fix, upload again, and within like, 24 hours, the systems can automatically detect what needs to be done and not done instead of. I mean, look, there's some cities out there where you submit a permit, you don't hear back for like, six months. I'm sure every contractor, anyone that builds anything is like, yes. Like, this is ridiculous.
Peyton Moreland
I think so.
Garrett Moreland
I just think it's ridiculous. It's 2026. We have the technology and we have the ability. I know the software exists. I just know majority of it is cities don't want to adopt it because, I mean, I get some people to lose jobs, but it's also hard because you have people literally waiting months and months for a permit. Sorry, this one kind of makes me mad because luckily the city, I'm with. They were amazing and they were super helpful. And again, it happened within weeks. But I have multiple friends. I have people that you're waiting. I mean, there's some places where it takes like a year to get a permit. Anyways, that's my hot take. If you have something you want to say to me about it, let me know. I'm open to it.
Peyton Moreland
And yeah, two things.
Garrett Moreland
Yes.
Peyton Moreland
If a job is not efficient.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
For everyone around them, the job deserves to be changed.
Garrett Moreland
Correct.
Peyton Moreland
Number one.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
So I don't think that that's that hot of a take.
Garrett Moreland
Okay.
Peyton Moreland
Number two, I don't think, like, you work for the government, you work on a different timeline. If you work for a state, you work on a different timeline all the way down. If you work with a city, you're working on a different timeline than everyone else in America.
Garrett Moreland
For sure.
Peyton Moreland
And I think people are unfair.
Garrett Moreland
People probably can disagree with this, but it's just true.
Peyton Moreland
I don't, I don't think that that is like necessarily a bad thing. There's probably parameters and things that have made it that way.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
But I think we can all agree that most entities that belong to are inefficient. Yes.
Garrett Moreland
Like it's a race.
Peyton Moreland
They haven't progressed the way the rest of the world has on the timeline. The rest of the world has. Like, like as far as business, everything moves super quick, super fast. It's always about efficiency. And we have some really outdated.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah. And a lot of it, I guess, probably does have to do with the governments and cities and just parameters and yada yada yada. But I mean, it's like a running joke when you go to a DMV. Right.
Peyton Moreland
Mm.
Garrett Moreland
Granted. I mean, some DMVs now in states are actually really well run and like they have online technology. And that's what I'm saying. There's so many places that are so far behind. Like it should not be taking this long to get a permit. It should not be taking this long to do different things. And again, I'm an exception. Cause I didn't happen to my city. But I know so many people that have.
Peyton Moreland
Yeah. But it's not like we live in that small of a city. So if it's capable in our city to get it done fast, it should be capable in most cities to get it done.
Garrett Moreland
That places in California literally will take you 18 months.
Peyton Moreland
Which again, just goes back to your program is not efficient.
Garrett Moreland
Like, come on.
Peyton Moreland
Like you're not being as efficient as possible. Clearly. And I'm not. I Think different cities, different counties. Like, we're obviously not in a huge city, but it's a pretty large city with a lot going on.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah. And they got it done.
Peyton Moreland
Yeah.
Garrett Moreland
Anyways, that's my hot take. Kind of. I don't know, maybe you guys don't even care about that, but if you've ever built something or how to deal with the city, I'm sure you'll care about it.
Peyton Moreland
So I also don't think efficiency is all technology. I think that programs themselves with human beings running them could be more efficient.
Garrett Moreland
Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
Like, I don't think technology is always the answer.
Garrett Moreland
It doesn't need to replace more technology, just needs to speed up things.
Peyton Moreland
Yeah.
Garrett Moreland
Anyways, that's what I got. Before we hop into today's episode, I want to say real quick that thank you to anyone who listens and watches the podcast who comes into the bagel shop. Thanks for saying hi. I have a problem. Okay. I remember everyone's name. As soon as you tell me and I'm talking to you and I remember your name and I'm engaged in the conversation. As soon as you leave, that name is gone. And multiple people were like, don't forget my name so you can shout it out in the next episode. Well, guess what? I forgot your name. But also, in my defense, I'm also hearing names from 300 other people a day at the same time. Anyways, literally, I had multiple people. I'm like, oh, I'm going to remember your name and shout you out. Nope. Any names in my mind is zero names. The only name on my mind right now is Peyton. No other name. So anyway, sorry. That's it. I love you. Thank you for coming in. Thank you for saying hi if you came in and I was busy, I'm also really sorry, but I love you. And let's hop into today's case.
Peyton Moreland
Our sources for this episode are Oxygen, CBS News, Coco.com K2U L.com OKC Fox.com Medium.com New York Post.com People.com K F O R.com Mamma Mia.com News9.com the Cinemaholic and Wilson Little.com I think one of the most powerful extrasensory skills that I've ever seen is a mother's blind intuition. Everyone talks about it. It's like moms have this divine spiritual entanglement to their children. They always seem to know when something is off, when your energy has shifted. Sometimes they call right at the second you need them most. Other times it's like they can predict when something is about to go wrong. And I know that's not the case for every mother, but it is enough case that has become a stereotype. But it's also not every day that a mother's intuition solves a disappearance. After Michaela Maeve went missing in 2023, her mother decided she wasn't going to sleep until she found her daughter. And thanks to that motherly intuition or her divine connection to her daughter Michaela, she knew exactly where to find her. And not only was she right, she helped bring justice to a case that might have otherwise gone cold. Now, I'm sure many of our listeners come from small towns, so you understand what it's like when everyone knows everyone, where gossip spreads faster than a virus and everybody's in each other's business. But I think the location of today's case might have most places beat, because we are headed to Macomb, Oklahoma, where in the year 2023, when our case takes place, the population is about 24 people.
Garrett Moreland
Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Peyton Moreland
And 30 year old Michaela Maeve is one of them. Mikayla was a teacher's assistant at Macomb Public Schools and was working towards getting her teaching degree at the time. She was also very actively involved with the school's aftercare program. But Michaela always knew she wanted this to be her path. Her mother actually ran a daycare when she was growing up. She understood the power of education and nurturing, and it was what she wanted to do with her life. So it must have been devastating when Michaela learned back in her 20s that she couldn't have children of her own. So instead, as she got older, she fostered and then adopted two teenage kids, a brother and a sister. And she did everything she could to give these kids a loving upbringing. Plus, she shared with them all of the things that always brought her joy. Music, singing, religion, her passion for animals. Michaela treated her students with the same kind of love and compassion that she treated her two adopted kids. Friends and co workers said that if a child ever came to school hungry or wearing dirty clothes, Michaela would be the one to help fix it, make things better. And luckily, Michaela wasn't alone in her journey. She was extremely close with her mother and two sisters who helped her raise her kids along the way. But then an old acquaintance actually came back into Michaela's perfect little life. It was someone named Frank Byers. Now, Michaela and Frank had actually gone to high school together back in the day. And sometime before 2022, he sent Michaela a Facebook message and the two of them reconnected. Now, by then, Frank was working for an environmental cleanup company, which meant he spent a lot of time on the road. But when he wasn't working, he was actually still living in the Macomb area. Frank now had four kids of his own, all young daughters, and ever since his divorce from their mother, he had primary custody. But this wasn't something that deterred Mikayla. If anything, it made her fall for Frank even more. Especially because Frank told Michaela his girls had had a rough time in life so far. He said that his most recent girlfriend had been abusing his daughters when he wasn't around and he was just looking to get out of that situation. So that was when Michaela offered to open her home to Frank and his four kids. The two start dating. So Michaela and Frank start dating in 2022, and her family of three, her and her adopted two kids now grows to eight. Now, people who knew Michaela said she seemed happier than ever. This wasn't something everyone would do, but it was something that really worked for her. She loved Frank's kids like they were her own. So it wasn't a surprise in June of 2022 when Michaela and Frank tied the knot. So for the next year, they lived together on Michaela's 10 acre property. But on September 15, 2023, their worlds turned upside down. So that morning began. Like most days in Macomb, Michaela woke up and called her sister Andrea at 7am the two were best friends. Not only did they speak every day, they basically knew every detail of each other's lives. Or so Andrea thought. It was a Friday, so she and Michaela might have discussed their plans for the weekend. Michaela went to work that morning and came home around her usual time. But she and her sister Andrea didn't speak again for the rest of that night. When Andrea's phone rang the following morning, though, on September 16th, she expected to hear Michaela on the other end of the line again. Only this time it was Frank, her boyfriend. And he was wondering if Andrea had seen or spoken to her sister since the night before. And according to Andrea, Frank seemed seriously worried. He was hysterical. She could hardly make out what he was saying at first. Eventually, she got him to calm down enough to spit it out. And that's when he said that Michaela had gone on a date the night before but hadn't made it home yet. Now, this isn't a total shock to Andrea because despite the fact they're still living Together with their kids. She knew Michaela and Frank had recently decided to take a little break from their romance. Things hadn't been going super well between them lately. So Andrea's first thought was, well, good. I hope my sister went out and had some fun last night. Maybe she had a little too much fun. Maybe she stayed over at a guy's house. But Frank seems to think it's a lot worse than Michaela just staying out for the night. He tells her sister the last time he saw Michaela was around 5:30pm last night. That the guy she'd went out with was bald. He had a dark beard. He showed up in a white Chevrolet pickup truck with tinted windows. And Frank says he didn't speak to the guy himself, but he saw Michaela get into the truck with him and then they drove off into the sunset. But now Michaela wasn't answering her phone. She still hadn't made it home. Like all of the kids are home. So Andrea, at this point, assumes Frank is just being jealous. Like a little jealous and dramatic. Which is why after she hangs up, she decides to call her sister herself. But Frank was right. Michaela wasn't answering her phone. In fact, her calls were going straight to voicemail. All right, you guys, we are getting into an ad and 91 of dog parents say that their pup is an important member of the family and 40% would even save their dog over a human stranger. It is safe to say that people are obsessed with their pets and honestly, I can relate. You guys know my love for Daisy. I. I don't even need to talk about it further. And if anyone gets being dog obsessed, if it's Ollie, they are relentless about delivering the best food and experience for you and your dog. And they give you a way to check in on their health over and over and over again. 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It's noon, then it's 1pm and still no one's been able to reach Michaela. And now her family is starting to get worried. Especially because Michaela had promised to help out a restaurant their family owned that day. But she didn't show up. And this is something that was completely unlike her. So by that afternoon her husband Frank called 911 and I'm calling him husband but yeah, they're on a break apparently but they're still living in the same home with the kids.
Frank Byers
Yep, my wife's been missing. Late last night she left at 5:30ish, roughly California and last time that anyone has heard from her has been at 8pm and your name? My name is Frank Byers. B Y E R S what's her name? Her name is Michaela Byers.
Peyton Moreland
Now it's about 4pm on the afternoon of the 16th when police arrive at Michaela's home where Frank and Michaela are living. And with his body cam rolling, the deputy asks 32 year old Frank to repeat the details he gave the dispatcher over the phone. Now Frank also gives them more description of the guy he says he saw Michaela leaving with the night before. He was 6ft tall, maybe 200 pounds or so. Now what's interesting is when Frank is explaining the situation to the deputy, he doesn't exactly tell the deputy that he and Michaela were on a break. Instead he says we had actually recently decided to agree to open up their marriage and stay together while also seeing other people. So they were still living in Michaela's home on the 10 acres in this very, very small town. But they had an open relationship so they each would on dates with other people. But we're still at home raising the kids together. So this is what he tells the officer. He says to the officer that Michaela met this particular person that she went on a date with on Facebook, but that's all he really knew about the guy outside of what he looked like and what car he drove. Frank also says that he doesn't really like the arrangement, like the open marriage. It was Michaela's idea. He was just willing to do whatever it took to make her happy, to keep her by his side, to keep their marriage intact. Frank admits though that right before she left, he and Michaela had gotten into a tiff. According to him, she claimed it was none of his business where she was going or who she went with. So that's why he never got a name or more details on where her date was that night. But he also offers to show the deputy some messages Michaela had sent him the night before after she left the house on the date. It was messages sent from her phone that read, quote, I'm fine and back off.
Garrett Moreland
Okay.
Peyton Moreland
Now it's at this point the deputy Decides it's worth driving around the tiny town to see if he spots Michaela. And one of the first stops he makes is at the school where she works, but there's nothing. Meanwhile, back at Frank and Michaela's house, the family is actually starting to gather. Her mother and sister show up, and one of the first things her mom, Barbara, does is she gets down on her hands and knees and starts crawling inch by inch over the huge property, looking for any sign of her daughter. And I'm saying any sign, as in foul play, clues, anything she can see. Now, later that evening, deputies are back on the property, joining the family in their search of the property. But they're more interested in the inside of Frank and Michaela's home, particularly. They seem to kind of check out this little shed out back. Because the police learned that while they were going through this open marriage, maybe break, maybe trying to figure things out. Depends on who you ask. Apparently, Michaela had moved into this tiny shed in the back. Now, Frank had told them earlier in the day, but when they asked him to open it, he was like, it's locked, and I don't have a key. Like, that's her space. But when police return, he smashes open the lock. And this time, he lets police look inside.
Garrett Moreland
Huh. Okay.
Peyton Moreland
Right away, police see something alarming. Shell casings belonging to a.22 caliber. But Frank immediately tells him it's not weird. Michaela often sat back here and shot at wild animals from her shed. But that's not even the most alarming detail.
Garrett Moreland
I don't. I mean, they're in a small town. I don't know if I find that that weird.22 is usually not something. I mean, yeah, I don't know. For some reason, I don't find that. That weird. Knowing what. Like the. Knowing what a.22 is. Knowing it's a small town, like, casual Saturday activity. Yeah. Honestly, like, it wouldn't surprise me if she was out her window, like, shooting birds or shooting squirrels. Not saying you should do that. I'm just saying that, yeah, that wouldn't spark instant red flags.
Peyton Moreland
We shouldn't be like, what?
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, exactly.
Peyton Moreland
Now, this isn't even the most alarming detail because there also appears to be some blood drops on the floor and. And on the sheets of the bed. Now, of course, the next thing police ask is, where's the gun? Like, where is the.22 that those shell casings come from? And Frank says, oh, that's actually back in the main house where I'm staying. They're like, okay. You just said she uses it out here, But, I mean, it's possible. It's possible it could have been moved.
Garrett Moreland
I guess so.
Peyton Moreland
So he leads them back, shows them the gun, and they realize this gun has been fired recently. There is gunshot residue on the barrel and the breach of the gun where the ammunition is loaded. And it's at this point, the deputies are like, hey, we're going to call for more backup because, interesting. While this is still a missing person's case, they have blood, they have shell casings. They have a gun that's recently been fired. And so they're like, maybe this is a missing person's case, but also a potential homicide, and they need their criminal investigation team out there for more support. So that is where Lieutenant Dakota Black comes in. She is a trained tracker with the Pottawatomie County Sheriff's Office nearby in Shawnee, Oklahoma. So basically, she's the one you call if there's, like, a manhunt. Her male colleagues at the sheriff's office admit even they're intimidated by Lieutenant Black's skill set and just overall bad a. Like, she can track someone she knows her way around the wild, around the forest, whether she's on the shooting ranger out in the field, she's just kind of someone you don't want to bet against. And my favorite part about her might be her trained therapy dog that she brings with her on these investigations because she knows how calming and helpful it can be to the families who are in the midst of an investigation like this. So she literally brings her dog who is trained to, like, ease the tension.
Garrett Moreland
I love animals. I love pets. I mean, I love all animals, but.
Peyton Moreland
Right.
Garrett Moreland
Love them.
Peyton Moreland
When Lieutenant Black is called out to look for Michaela that September night, this case hits differently than usual. Not only was she and Michaela born one day apart, so they're the same age. Lt. Black admits that she's been in situations of intimate partner abuse before. So when she shows up and it's like, you know, this boyfriend who's apparently on a break, open marriage, husband. She kind of just fills this, like, connection to Michaela, maybe more than she cares to admit. But that doesn't mean the police have stopped following other leads. Every single white pickup truck matching the description Frank gave is being called down to the station to be ruled out. And that might seem extreme, but again, we are in a very small town. The family is putting up flyers all over town. Mikayla's face is being plastered all over social media. Drones are actually scouring the wooded areas around the area, and kayaks traverse the nearby waters looking for signs of a body. And during all of this, like, this pretty intense search for a small town. Frank Byers husband doesn't do a thing. Lieutenant Black says he never went out with any of the search parties.
Garrett Moreland
Okay.
Peyton Moreland
He didn't really show any motion at all towards the fact that his wife was still missing. The few things he did do seemed completely performative to her. And mostly all of this was from the comfort of his own couch. Like, he says, no, I'm still texting and calling Michaela's phone daily, praying she'll pick up.
Garrett Moreland
Nice. I'm talking about, good job, dude.
Peyton Moreland
Also, like, I don't know, just like, pat yourself on the back for continuing to call when that's like a very normal thing people go through.
Garrett Moreland
Your wife's missing. I'm glad you're calling her and texting
Peyton Moreland
and like, like bragging about it.
Garrett Moreland
What a guy.
Peyton Moreland
And he posts on Facebook claiming, quote, she means the world to me. She literally is the backbone of our family. I love her deeply. She's a good woman and a great moment. Which is why on day three of the search effort, Lieutenant Black calls Frank in for additional questioning. Playing the good cop, she caters to his feelings. Say, I know how upset you must be. And his story does stay pretty consistent. Michaela left on this date. She never made it home. So without enough evidence, Lieutenant Black is forced to let him go. For now, though, it's around this same time that the police get some information back on Michaela's cell phone data. The report shows her phone last pinged a tower within a three mile radius of her home, meaning wherever she went with this phone, it likely wasn't far, or at least her cell phone didn't travel far. Now, unfortunately, clues were proving really hard to come by in this case. There really wasn't a shred of evidence showing where Michaela had gone or who she left with during those first few days of the investigation. Until her mom, Barbara, shared some pretty shocking details with police. Barbara claims she was crawling through the brush on the property around day three of the search when, according to her, she had a premonition. She claims it was like Michaela's voice had appeared in her head and whispered something to her. Quote, mama, I'm in a tin horn. Now, Barbara could sense that whatever this experience was, it was critical to the investigation. It wasn't just a thought or a theory. She claims this is mother's intuition. This is divine messaging, a mother's intuition telling her that's where they needed to search. Now, if you don't know, tin horns are those metal or plastic culvert pipes that you see directing water to flow underneath roads to keep them from flooding.
Garrett Moreland
Those are called tin horns.
Peyton Moreland
Tin horns. And it seemed like there were quite a few of these in the area. So from that point on, Barbara begins checking every single one that she comes across. She tells the police, but she's also like, I'm just gonna start checking all of the ones in town, specifically waiting through creek beds and canals to see if there's any sign of her daughter. And unfortunately there isn't until day five of the investigation.
Garrett Moreland
Holy crap. All right, let's hear this.
Peyton Moreland
Now, that afternoon, September 20, 2023, Michaela's cousin is out searching for her along with basically the rest of the town. She and a friend are about a half a mile away from Michaela's house when they are just hit with this horrible smell. And they kind of keep following the scent down a trail which eventually brings them right to a tin horn.
Garrett Moreland
Okay.
Peyton Moreland
And there along the opening, they see a human hand sticking out way of a rolled up piece of carpet. So they're searching for a body at this point. So they immediately call 911 to say, hey, we're pretty sure we just found Michaela.
Garrett Moreland
I always wonder like putting a body somewhere where it's eventually going to be found.
Peyton Moreland
Yeah.
Garrett Moreland
You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like it was in the bottom of the ocean, like, or they try to like hide it. Like they put it somewhere where, like rolled up in a carpet also, like what? You know what I'm saying?
Peyton Moreland
I'm just gonna speak broadly here. If you are the killer and you hear that Barbara, the mom goes to police and says she's in a tin
Garrett Moreland
horn that you think you move it
Peyton Moreland
like, well, just imagine the like. How, how did she know that?
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, I know 100%. Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
Within minutes, police are there to confirm inside that rolled up carpet is in fact the deceased body of 30 year old Michaela. She is wearing a red T shirt which had intentionally been pulled up over her head to conceal her face. She isn't wearing any pants or underwear, but she still has on one sock with little teddy bears on it.
Garrett Moreland
Oh my God.
Peyton Moreland
It's just these little details that just go to show, like, I hate it.
Garrett Moreland
It's so sad.
Peyton Moreland
You're just a normal human. You're just a normal, good human.
Garrett Moreland
It's so sad.
Peyton Moreland
And it's clear that she has been shot at least twice in the head before her killer wrapped her up and left her there.
Garrett Moreland
And the bullet was.
Peyton Moreland
There's more to the story than the bullet. Okay, let me get there. We obviously know there's no denying that Mikayla's cause of death is the two gunshot wounds to her head. But the autopsy reveals more. One in the front and one on the left side, including a third which had grazed her head. And from what I could gather, it didn't appear as though they found evidence of sexual assault, despite the fact she was dressed that that way. But at this point, Lieutenant Black feels pretty sure that she knows who is responsible. Not only did police find the gun in the home that matched the bullet wounds.
Garrett Moreland
So it was a.22?
Peyton Moreland
Yes.
Garrett Moreland
Dang. I'm wrong.
Peyton Moreland
You didn't think it was.
Garrett Moreland
I just find it unlikely with that type of gun. I mean, obviously possible with any gun.
Peyton Moreland
What's the.22?
Garrett Moreland
It's like. Here, I'll show you a picture real quick.
Peyton Moreland
I mean, I should, after doing this many cases, probably know what a.22 looks like. I feel like it's, like, small.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah. So here's like, a.22. It's like, a lot of times.22s can be okay.
Peyton Moreland
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Garrett Moreland
It's like a long rifle, which, I mean. Yeah, it's possible. It just, like, out of all things, it surprises me. I'm pretty sure there is.22s in, like, certain types of handguns. The most positive. But I've always known it to be like a rifle.
Peyton Moreland
I think if we were, like, In a city, a.22 would seem a little more unlikely to me. But I think because we are in country and a lot of people might have rifles in their homes, maybe it's not that weird as a murder weapon.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, they're just usually. I'm trying to figure out how to use the right words.
Peyton Moreland
Like, it's because it's just a caliber bullet, right?
Garrett Moreland
Yeah. Like, a lot of people will use it for, like.
Peyton Moreland
Like, multiple guns. Can be.22 caliber. Because it's just the type of ammo, correct?
Garrett Moreland
No, it's just, like, usually, like, a rifle that's.22 is like. Like, they're obviously dangerous because it's a gun. But, like, a lot of kids or people who are younger will learn to, like, shoot rifles with the.22.
Peyton Moreland
What did he want on A Christmas Story?
Garrett Moreland
Well, he had a BB gun.
Peyton Moreland
He wanted a BB gun, and they made it. That big of a deal?
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, it was a BB gun. I'm pretty sure it's a BB gun. Probably yeah. And he's like, you shoot your eye out.
Peyton Moreland
But I'm just like a BB gun.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
In my hometown, there were 4 year olds carrying BB guns around all day long.
Garrett Moreland
It's crazy. I had a paint. I had a paintball gun.
Peyton Moreland
Really?
Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
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Frank Byers
And.
Peyton Moreland
And that's when she decided to move to the shed so she could still be a part of the family. Maybe see if they could, like, work on things after this week break. But according to her, Frank kept cheating. And then about two days before Michaela went missing, she confronted Frank.
Garrett Moreland
You know, it's kind of funny the amount of people who will be like, oh, yeah, we're in an open relationship. And then you learn more about it and it's like, no, yeah, no, we know we never were in an open relationship.
Peyton Moreland
Yeah. Anyways, now she actually recorded their conversation. And so we have, like, actual quotes of this. She said, I've never once been dead set for divorce until today. I'm just saying that you have officially lost me. I'm stating to you right now that you have officially broke the last string that was holding me to you. And you have nobody to blame but yourself for doing it. And then by the weekend, Michaela was dead.
Garrett Moreland
That's insane, dude. What an absolute monster.
Peyton Moreland
Which sounds a lot different than we had an open relationship.
Garrett Moreland
Such an ego.
Peyton Moreland
It's just, if I can't have you, no one can.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, I hate that. I hate when that happens.
Peyton Moreland
Now you know what?
Garrett Moreland
Freaking annoying.
Peyton Moreland
Frank didn't miss a beat. He texted one of the women he was talking to almost immediately after Michaela went missing. He even sent a picture to a woman in his tux saying this is one that he had gotten for Michaela's funeral. Keep in mind, this was like before her body was found. So this gets Lieutenant Black and her colleagues wondering, what was the relationship really like with this woman that he's talking to? This is his ex girlfriend, if you remember. This is the one he said was abusive toward him and his younger girls. The one he told Michaela he needed to escape from when they first got together. And that was like, part of the reason he moved in so fast. They look her up. Her name is Crystal. And the more she talks to police, the more they realize, wow, Frank is a pretty manipulative guy. Because Crystal said Frank was abusive towards her, not the other way around. She said one time she woke up from a deep sleep to find Frank standing over her with handcuffs. There was another time when he was choking her in her sleep and he controlled her every move, tried to cut her off from her own friends and family. It was just kind of textbook behavior. Now, shockingly, she said early on in their relationship, he used the same woe is me story to get her in his clutches. He told Crystal the woman he was currently seeing was abusing him and his daughters and he needed to get out for safety. Apparently this is like his pattern. She never reported the incident, but she was able to walk away from the situation with her life. But Michaela never seemed to tell anyone her full experience either. Her mother, Barbara, really appeared to to beat herself up over this. She admitted there were times when she did see bruises on Michaela or maybe since there was some manipulation happening in the marriage that was kind of toxic. But Michaela never admitted to it, and she would just say Things like, she was roughhousing with the kids. It wasn't until later, looking back on the situation. She's now dead, that her family was like, maybe there's more to the story here. But now that the entire town knew the unspoken truth, that Frank Byers was basically suspect number one, everyone was turning against him. When Michaela's school that she worked for held a vigil for her, Frank was banned from attending. People even blocked his view with their trucks to make sure he couldn't, like, view from afar. But Frank couldn't seem to keep his mouth shut about this case. He kept going on social media, defending himself, insisting he was innocent. Truth would reveal itself in time. He went on the local news at one point and said this quote, even
Frank Byers
today, I called her.
Garrett Moreland
I mean,
Frank Byers
I know she's not here,
Garrett Moreland
but
Frank Byers
it's just a fact that I have her number still, and her phone's still on somewheres. And it just. It would have been nice to say
Peyton Moreland
her voice, he's just, like, real. He thinks, a call.
Garrett Moreland
What a weird guy.
Peyton Moreland
The most sacrificial thing a man can do for a woman is call her phone.
Garrett Moreland
Okay.
Peyton Moreland
So he says, it's just. It would have been nice to hear her voice. So, as you can imagine, there were a lot of people close to the case who were getting frustrated with the lack of progress. They're like, hey, everyone knows who did it. Like, everyone knows he's out here living his life.
Garrett Moreland
There's no ev. I mean, actually, yeah. I mean, if the bullet matches the gun, like, what else? Or matches. What else do. I mean?
Peyton Moreland
Okay, so to be fair, Lt. Black was annoyed by this, too. The problem was, even though everyone felt like Frank was guilty, they just didn't feel like they had enough to make an arrest. I mean, it's not even a match. It's a match of the. Like, the type of. You know. So that was.
Garrett Moreland
It's just a bullet, right? Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
That wasn't until detectives uncovered something inside Frank and Michaela's home while executing a search warrant that October. So the first thing they find was some security footage that was also saved on an app on Frank's phone. Now, police think Frank tried to delete the footage, but didn't realize that he was unsuccessful. Because on that tape, you can see Michaela coming home from work that Last day, Friday, September 15th.
Garrett Moreland
So sad.
Peyton Moreland
I know. Around her usual time, she comes through the front door. She stays for 14 minutes. During this, it looks like she and Frank are arguing. And then Michaela leaves, and Frank is seen standing at the door, like he's gonna follow her. Now, the police think this wasn't the moment Michaela got in the car on a date with another man. Instead, they believe Frank actually followed her out back to the shed where she was staying. So she didn't even go on it,
Garrett Moreland
Got it, and then killed her.
Peyton Moreland
She went out back to the shed. He followed her and killed her in her shed in cold blood. Now, from there, the evidence kept mounting because police discovered that Michaela's cell phone, the missing cell phone that he keeps calling, was actually still inside the family home, hidden in a drawer.
Garrett Moreland
You've got to be. You're lying.
Peyton Moreland
Also, the SIM card had been removed. This random man who took her on a date broke back into the home, removed the SIM card.
Garrett Moreland
Honestly, it just goes to show how dumb this guy is. Also, like, an absolute. Just this idiot. What an idiot. What an idiot.
Peyton Moreland
So the SIM card was removed and put into a different phone, and the reason for this was you could then get into it without a passcode.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah.
Peyton Moreland
Then he was using it to fake the conversation he allegedly had with Michaela the night she disappeared when she went on her date.
Garrett Moreland
Got it.
Peyton Moreland
The one where she messaged him saying, I'm fine. Back off. By the way, around the same time, might I add, that these texts were coming in from the phone that's in a different sim from the SIM card that's now in a different phone in the house. Frank was texting another woman with his own phone, saying, quote, I'm not getting back with Michaela. I'm willing to do anything and everything I possibly can to make sure you are secure in this. He's sending a text to a woman after he just killed his wife while faking these messages. Okay, but there's more. We have a Walmart receipt that is found from a purchase made the day Michaela went missing. A mop, bleach, ammonia, everything you would need to clean up a crime scene. And Frank was caught on security footage at the Walmart making this purchase. And then you have the carpet, the one Michaela's body was found in.
Garrett Moreland
You can always kind of Walmart for security footage.
Peyton Moreland
The police ask around about this carpet. A neighbor comes forward. They say, that's the same one I gave to Michaela and Frank for their dogs eight or nine months ago. So we know it was in their. Their property. But let's talk about the bullet, the one that grazed Michaela's head, that was actually found in the wall of the shed Michaela was staying in, still wrapped in her Hair. Which basically confirms that the shooting happened in there, not on a date. Yeah, with a random guy. They weren't able to get DNA confirmation on the hair, but they did find their smoking gun somewhere else. Frank's work boots had been collected as evidence the night he filed the missing persons report. Initially, they spotted something on them they believed could be blood. But they also knew that Frank worked with chemicals. 38 days after Michaela was last seen alive, police got results back. The substance on the boots was blood, and it was Michaela's DNA. On October 24, 2023, 39 days after Michaela was last seen, a SWAT team surrounded Frank's home. He was placed under arrest and later charged with first degree murder, unauthorized removal of a dead body, and desecration of a human corpse. The district attorney really wanted the death penalty for Frank, but the defense proposed a deal. Plead guilty and serve life without parole instead. And that is what 34 year old Frank did. On January 31, 2025, he pleaded guilty to his crimes. But Michaela's family was far from satisfied with this outcome. Her mother, Barbara, said she thought the deal was a total cop out and justice hadn't been served because she and others think Frank didn't do this alone. Barbara does not believe that Frank had the strength to move the body into his truck by himself. In fact, she's gonna go to her grave saying there was an accomplice.
Garrett Moreland
I mean, I don't. I don't doubt that at all.
Peyton Moreland
And as for Lieutenant Black, she's not ruling it out either. She's like, yes, moving this body would have been pretty tough, but people do pretty incredible things when they're scared and they have adrenaline.
Garrett Moreland
Yeah, that part's true, too.
Peyton Moreland
But if there's one thing we've learned from this story, it's that Barbara's instincts have been right before, so they could be right about this, too. If you have any tips or information regarding Michaela's case, you can contact the Sheriff's office at 405-273-1727. And in the meantime, Barbara's chosen to reframe the way Michaela's remembered. She has since started a foundation in her daughter's name called Michaela's Purple Butterfly.
Garrett Moreland
No.
Peyton Moreland
To help people get out of situations with intimate partner abuse. And if you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, you can contact the National Domestic violence hotline at 1-800-799-7233. And that is the story of Michaela Mavy.
Garrett Moreland
Once again, I feel like this just happened last week. You never know somebody. Like the fact that you can be married to someone who will kill someone
Peyton Moreland
and like be texting a woman at the same time.
Garrett Moreland
Sorry, not kill someone. Kill you.
Peyton Moreland
It's the weirdest cognitive dissonance.
Garrett Moreland
Do people really not show signs or is it just that? I don't know.
Peyton Moreland
I mean, he seemed to kind of have a pattern with this behavior.
Garrett Moreland
That's horrible.
Peyton Moreland
Horrible. All right, you guys, thank you for listening to this week's episode or watching and we will see you you next time with another one. I love it and I hate it. Goodbye.
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Released: May 18, 2026
Hosts: Peyton Moreland & Garrett Moreland
This episode centers on the 2023 murder of Makayla Maeve, a beloved teacher’s assistant from the tiny town of Macomb, Oklahoma. Peyton and Garrett navigate the heartbreaking investigation led by stubborn motherly intuition, the red flags ignored in an abusive relationship, and the painstaking process that eventually brought Makayla’s killer—her husband Frank Byers—to justice. The case also highlights the power and tragedy of domestic violence in rural America.
Frank omits the separation when speaking to police, describing an “open marriage."
When police search the property, they find:
Crime scene detective Lt. Dakota Black—a respected local tracker who relates personally to case circumstances—joins the search (26:23).
Cause of death: Two close-range .22 gunshots to the head, a third grazed her scalp. No evidence of sexual assault, but body was partially undressed. The gun and shell casings match (34:37, 35:14).
Frank’s "open marriage" alibi falls apart:
On mother’s intuition changing the investigation:
“It was like Michaela’s voice had appeared in her head and whispered something to her: ‘mama, I’m in a tin horn.’” – Peyton (31:58)
On the reality of rural homicide:
“You’re just a normal, good human.” – Peyton (34:19)
On Frank’s lack of emotion:
“He never went out with any of the search parties.” – Peyton (29:19)
“What a guy.” – Garrett (29:55)
“The most sacrificial thing a man can do for a woman is call her phone.” – Peyton (45:30, sarcastically)
After the break-up recording:
"I've never once been dead set for divorce until today..." – (41:50)
On Frank’s manipulations:
“He texted one of the women he was talking to almost immediately after Michaela went missing. He even sent a picture in his tux... for Michaela’s funeral before her body was found.” – Peyton (42:32)
Peyton and Garrett end the episode reflecting on the unseen dangers in intimate relationships and the tragedy of domestic violence—especially when warning signs are dismissed or hidden. Listeners are reminded to trust their instincts and check on loved ones, and resources for domestic violence survivors are promoted.
– “Once again, I feel like this just happened last week. You never know somebody..." – Garrett (51:54)
This summary captures the empathy and directness of Peyton and Garrett’s storytelling, focusing on the chilling details of Makayla’s disappearance, the pivotal role of her mother, and the step-by-step unraveling of the case.