326. The Last Message of Sara Raras

Summary

Podcast Summary: Murder With My Husband Episode 326: The Last Message of Sara Raras (June 22, 2026)

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Overview

In this gripping episode, Peyton and Garrett Moreland explore the shocking and brutal 1998 murder of Sara Raras, a brilliant NSA analyst and mother navigating a contentious divorce and custody battle in Elkridge, Maryland. The case unravels a twisted plot involving family loyalty, jealousy, and an unexpected contract killing orchestrated by someone close to Sara. Listeners are taken through the deceptive clues, emotional interviews, and the surprising revelation of the true mastermind behind Sara’s death.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sara Raras: Background and Set-up

[06:00–10:00]

• Sara, born on a Florida military base, was the daughter of an Air Force sergeant and grew up moving frequently.
• Exceptionally talented in mathematics and personable, Sara thrived at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, later securing a job at NSA after moving to Maryland for her first husband’s employment.
• After divorcing her first husband, Sara earned a Master’s from Johns Hopkins, married Lorenzo Raras, and had a son. The second marriage quickly deteriorated, leading to another divorce filing and a heated custody battle.

“She was incredibly smart and talented, but everyone who knew her said she had another useful skill too. She was also incredibly social.”
– Peyton, [07:30]

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2. Discovery of the Crime & The Haunting Voicemail

[11:00–16:00]

• Sara was found dead on Nov 15, 1998, after a friend, Laura, reported her missing and referenced a disturbing voicemail.
• The scene was gruesome: Sara had been stabbed repeatedly, her throat was nearly severed, and her wrists almost cut through. Bloody shoe prints and fingerprints (appearing to be from a gloved hand) were left at the scene. Some items were stolen (VCR, phone), but valuables like her purse and computer were untouched.

“She had been stabbed several times in such a brutal fashion that these officers said it was honestly a first for them.”
– Peyton, [10:51]

• The key clue was the 30-second voicemail Sara left during the attack, featuring the sounds of a struggle.

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3. Suspicion Falls on Ex-Husband Lorenzo

[16:00–25:00]

• Laura insists to police that Lorenzo is the only person capable of such violence, citing his controlling and threatening behavior during the divorce.
• Evidence noted:
  • Lorenzo was jealous, resented attention given to their child, and his mother Emilia intervened frequently.
  • Sarah received a restraining order after Lorenzo physically assaulted her while she was holding their baby.
  • Lorenzo’s alibi was family-based, viewed as dubious by investigators.

“She went right to court that day... and she got a restraining order against him.”
– Peyton, [23:04]

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4. Red Herrings: The Love Triangle and Misheard Clues

[25:30–31:00]

• Lorenzo claims Sarah was having an affair with a former NSA supervisor, Don Lewis, but colleagues refute this, describing Don as a mentor, not a lover.
• Despite initial police belief that Sara’s voicemail featured the name “Mike,” suggesting Lorenzo’s brother’s involvement, neither Lorenzo nor Mike’s DNA matched evidence at the crime scene.

“So now investigators are wondering, are the two brothers in this together?”
– Peyton, [31:22]

• The FBI’s tech teams review but do not identify new clues or validate the "Mike" theory.

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5. Surprise Tip: A Jailhouse Confession

[40:00–45:00]

• Months later, the case is stagnant until an inmate, Edison George, informs police of a confession by fellow inmate Ardell Tickles, 19, who’s in jail for armed robbery at a McDonald’s.
• Tickles described details of Sara’s murder that weren't public, including the method and brutality.

“He described how he'd busted through his victim's window while she was studying... nearly decapitating the female victim with a knife.”
– Peyton, [42:16]

• Most shocking: Tickles admits he was “hired for $3,000 by a woman he worked with” to kill Sara.

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6. The Mastermind Revealed: Sara’s Mother-in-Law

[45:00–51:00]

• Investigation reveals Tickles worked at a nursing home alongside Emilia Raras, Sara’s mother-in-law.
• Employees describe a mother-son bond between them. Amelia, wounded by perceived disrespect and her lack of control in the custody battle, orchestrated the murder.

“$3,000 to murder her ex daughter in law who was trying to gain full, full Custody of her grandson.”
– Peyton, [45:47]

• When confronted, Emilia initially claims she paid Tickles only to “scare” Sara, not kill her, but the $3,000 withdrawal and jailhouse confession undermine her claims.

“In her culture back in the Philippines, mothers were supposed to be revered... and, quote, 'showing disrespect to a mother is death.' This is what Emilia says in her interview.”
– Peyton, [49:00]

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7. Resolution: Sentencing and Aftermath

[51:00–52:51]

• Emilia is convicted on all charges, sentenced to life without parole. Tickles pleads guilty to avoid the death penalty.
• DNA evidence further cements their guilt, and neither Lorenzo nor Mike was involved.
• In the tragic epilogue, Lorenzo gains full custody of his son—an outcome tainted by loss.

“Emilia sort of got what she wanted out of all this. Lorenzo ended up getting full custody of the son he shared with Sarah because he didn’t do it.”
– Peyton, [52:01]

• The hosts reflect on the vulnerability of parenthood and how toxic family dynamics contributed to Sara’s murder.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I would like to say to the honorable court that I had no intention at all to kill Sarah. I'm very, very sorry that it happened.”
  – Emilia Raras, [51:52], as read by Peyton.

• “Don't be the crazy mother-in-law. Please don't do it. Everyone's allowed to parent how they want.”
  – Garrett, [48:41]

• “At the beginning, we talked about how becoming a parent is one of the greatest gifts in life, but also definitely one of the most vulnerable... outcomes that fail everyone involved, and that is the murder of Sarah Rawas.”
  – Peyton, [52:22]

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Engaging Segment Timestamps

• Sara’s Background and Career: [06:00–09:00]
• The Crime Discovered & The Voicemail: [10:00–16:00]
• Focus on Lorenzo & Family Dynamics: [16:00–25:00]
• DNA Evidence and Dead Ends: [31:00–39:00]
• Breakthrough via Jailhouse Informant: [40:00–45:00]
• Mother-in-law Conspiracy Exposed: [45:00–51:00]
• Aftermath, Sentencing & Reflection: [51:00–53:00]

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Tone & Host Dynamics

• Peyton’s narrative remains empathetic and detailed, balancing the horror of the case with compassion for the victim and survivors.
• Garrett provides candid, often darkly humorous commentary (“Chop her legs off,” [49:07]), but repeatedly grounds the conversation emotionally (“That is so... I mean, I do feel kind of bad for Lorenzo because it wasn't him.” [52:01]).
• The duo’s banter adds warmth to the heavy subject matter and gives listeners moments of levity amidst the darkness.

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Conclusion

This episode is a chilling cautionary tale about how family rifts, jealousy, and an obsession with control can escalate into unimaginable tragedy. The story of Sara Raras’s murder unfolds as a complex, layered investigation that ultimately exposes a killer from within her own family circle, leaving listeners reeling at the consequences of fractured relationships and unresolved resentment.

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Transcript

[A]

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And I'm Garrett Moreland.

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And he's the husband.

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And I'm the husband. Hey, everybody. How does it go?

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Happy Monday. Happy Tuesday. Happy Wednesday, babe.

[B]

You're supposed to sound happy when you do that.

[A]

Oh, Happy Monday.

[B]

You're not very good at that. Like this. Happy Monday. Happy Tuesday. Thank you for being here, babe.

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I'm not like just a girl.

[B]

You're just a girl.

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Yeah, like, that's just not me.

[B]

Thank you guys for watching. Thank you for supporting us. Thank you for listening. I do need to say something real quick. I just met some people at the bagel shop that listen to the podcast and I got in the car and guess what?

[A]

What?

[B]

I had something huge in my teeth the entire time.

[A]

From lunch.

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From lunch. Oh, listen, guys, if I have something in my teeth and you're talking to me, you need to tell me big. Yeah. And I smiled for a picture. Oh, you guys gotta tell me. You've got to tell me.

[A]

What tooth?

[B]

The top one right here. Oh, you need to tell me. You just need to be like, hey, Gary, you have something in your teeth. So then I can clean it before we take pictures or I talk to you. I don't like it. I hate when I have stuff in my teeth and I'm talking to people and I could. I. I could kind of sense that I did, but I wasn't sure I

[A]

know what you're talking about. When you're talking to someone, you're a little self conscious. Something's just a little off.

[B]

And guess what? Went to the car. Huge piece of food in my teeth.

[A]

Did you immediately check because you had had that feeling?

[B]

Yep. Yep. Immediately got in the car and I went, I bet you I got something big in my teeth. Boom. Huge right in my teeth.

[A]

It's okay. Today when I showed up at the bagel shop, I had put dry shampoo in my hair and apparently the bottle had splattered a little bit and I had brown specks all over my head.

[B]

Oh, really? I didn't notice that.

[A]

I went and wiped it off.

[B]

Oh.

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Because I went and washed my hands immediately. Luckily, I caught a glimpse in the mirror.

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Anyways, tell me if I have something in my teeth. Thank you. Thanks for saying hi. That's not really my 10 seconds, but I guess it can be. Other than that, no announcements. Reminder, we have bonus content and ad free content on Apple and Spotify and Patreon. If you are wanting to watch a video, our video is on Netflix. So go to Netflix and check it out there. Just type in Murder with my Husband. Those are all the announcements. Yeah. You got anything, babe?

[A]

No, I don't think so. I just love you all. I hope you're having a really good, positive day.

[B]

Nice. I like that. My 10 seconds, I guess, was kind of that. If anyone ever says hi to me and I have something in my teeth, please tell me. Also, thank you for saying hi to me and thank you for listening. Always, always ask us for a photo too. We're really big on that. If you want one. If you want one, ask us for a photo. Because Peyton and I won't ever ask anyone because it would be awkward if you were like, hey, do you want a photo? And they're like, no, I don't want to. I don't want a photo with you.

[A]

Sure. I guess.

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Yeah. So the reason we don't ever say anything is because we just want you guys to ask. Because we don't want anyone to ever feel uncomfortable. So always ask us as well. What else we got? Anything else? Any other rules? I feel like we're, like, laying down rules, but they're not rules. I promise.

[A]

No. I love you. I think. I think you're beautiful when you say hi to me.

[B]

Me.

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Yeah. And everyone.

[B]

Okay, guys, that's all we got. On that note. Oh, also, I forgot to say this. The I was walking to the bagel shop and I was walking in and there was this family sitting to the left. And I hear Garrett scared the crap out of me.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I turned over. They were just saying hi to me because of the podcast. I went, oh, you scared the crap out of me. Anyways, it was kind of funny, so figured I'd tell you.

[A]

All right, let's get into it. Our sources for this episode are case law.findlaw.com the Cinemaholic findagrave.com oxygen.com baltimoresun.com truecrimediscussions.com and peacock.com becoming a parent can be one of the best gifts you can receive in life. Whether that's a pet parent, a human parent. There's nothing like the love we have for our babies. But becoming a parent comes with a whole bunch of new challenges. We worry about facing a lot of judgment. Are we disciplining? Right. Are we working too hard and not spending enough time with our babies? For some moms, the question is, will my body ever go back to the way it was? And don't get me wrong, it's not just women. I know dads can feel this way, too. The point is, being a new parent is a vulnerable time in life. Which is why new parents need all of the encouragement they can get. But not everyone is willing to offer up that support. Some people have steadfast ideas on what it means to bring up a good person in this world. And opinions that are that strong can have the ability to fracture even the closest relationships, sometimes to the point of no return. So our case today starts in Elkridge, Maryland. This is an upscale town in between Washington, D.C. and Baltimore. And it's here that 35 year old Sarah Raris is trying to restart her life. Now, Sarah was originally born in Florida on a military base. She was actually the daughter of an Air Force sergeant, which meant she moved around quite a bit as a kid. When she was about 7 years old, her dad's work took the family to Albuquerque, New Mexico, and. And that is actually where she stayed until high school and it was a pretty early age that Sarah found the things she was really good at. I mean, the thing that she was just meant to do that was mathematics. She was incredibly smart and talented, but everyone who knew her said she had another useful skill too. She was also incredibly social. Sarah was an extrovert, selfless someone who put others first. And because of that, even though she was moving around a lot as a military kid, she made friends every step of the way in life, including at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, where she eventually met her first husband. Sarah earned her degree in math with a minor in English and was planning to get her masters until she got a job working with the military at White Sands Missile Base instead. And then just a few years later, Sarah's husband got a job in Maryland and Sarah went with him. And then that's how we end up there. She landed herself a job that combined both her skills in math and a duty for her country. Just like her father, she was working for the nsa, the National Security Agency. But even while working this very challenging job, Sarah used her free time outside of work to just continue building her skill set as she got older.

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Every time I hear nsa, I think of Snowden. Remember the movie? Yeah, yeah, good movie.

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Now, unfortunately, it seems like her first marriage wasn't going as well as she hoped. And around the mid to late 80s, Sarah and her first husband actually parted ways. But she didn't let that stand in the way of her ambitions. She continued getting her education at John Hopkins College and actually went on to earn that master's degree. After all, the 31 year old Sarah graduated with her Master's degree in 1994 with a degree in operations research, and also graduated with a new love interest, a 29 year old named Lorenzo Raris. Now, that same year, Sarah and Lorenzo tied the knot. They moved to that affluent little community that I started off the story with known as Elkridge. And then three years later, they actually had a son. Now, from the outside, it looked like Sarah had a bright future ahead of her. She had a lucrative government job, a new baby, a loving husband. It's the late 90s, but cracks were also forming in her second marriage as well. Shortly after having their child, Sarah and Lorenzo felt like it was just no longer working out. And in the summer of 1998, Sarah filed for divorce and hoped to get full custody of their almost one year old son. And while she might have been nervous about becoming a single mom, Sarah believed she could juggle it all on her own high stress job being a Mom being head of household, it's a lot. But friends of Sarah's said she seemed excited about this new independence, empowered even. But in November of that year, all of Sarah's plans for herself and her bright future as a single working mom were taken from her in a single night. It was a chilly fall day on November 15, 1998, when a woman named Laura Billiter called the Howard county police. She told them she had a good friend from work that she spoke to every single day. But that day, she hadn't heard from her. And it was worrisome to her because the night before, that friend had left a really disturbing message on her answering machine. One that just felt more unsettling every time she listened to it. And considering now that her friend didn't show up to work, she says the message on this answering machine almost sounded like there was some sort of struggle. Obviously, that friend she was worried about was, of course, 35 year old Sarah. Laura told the police Sarah had a one year old son, but she thought maybe he was with his father that weekend. Regardless, she was just hoping the police could stop by Sarah's house to perform a welfare check. So authorities went over to Sarah's place in Elkridge. And when they got inside the house to perform this welfare check, they saw a giant broken window along with some bloody shoe prints on the carpet. So they followed those shoe prints up to the family room where they saw a woman lying on the ground, face up. Now, this was obviously 35 year old Sarah. She had been stabbed several times in such a brutal fashion that these officers said it was honestly a first for them. There was a cut to her throat so deep it was just short of decapitation. Her wrists were slit so far, her hands were nearly removed. She'd also been stabbed repeatedly in the stomach. It was definitely a scene out of a horror film. A pathologist later determined that Sarah lost over 80% of her blood volume in this attack. As the authorities described it, it was definitely overkill. Whoever came in here, forced their way inside and killed Sarah with unparalleled hatred. Now, there were quite a few details that police immediately gathered from the scene. The fact that the blood had mostly dried told them that Sarah had been dead for at least a day or so. They also collected evidence of bloody shoe prints, as well as some bloody fingerprints that were found on the wall. Fingers that seemed to be wearing gloves during the murder. Plus, there were a few things missing around Sarah's home. Her VCR player, a phone from the wall. However, Sarah's computer and Purse were still out on her kitchen table. They were in clear sight. So if someone came in to rob her, you would think they also would have taken that stuff too. But by the nature of the crime and just how violent it appeared, this seemed like a lot more than a robbery. It felt like someone actually came here to kill Sarah. Maybe just the stolen VCR was an afterthought. Unless someone also wanted to make it seem like a robbery gone wrong. So after Sarah's body was removed from the crime scene for an autopsy, detectives started knocking on neighbors doors. And what they found immediately strange was that even though this was a quiet, tight knit neighborhood, fairly safe, nobody saw or heard a thing. He didn't see a struggle, not a smash, not a scream. But there was one person who did hear something. Someone who was a few miles away. The person who had first made that phone call to police. Okay, obviously Sarah's friend Laura had said she left me a strange voicemail that sounded like a struggle the previous night. Now unfortunately, officers had to head over there to break the news to Laura in person. Like we went and did this welfare check. Sarah's definitely not okay.

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Yeah.

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And while she was having to sit there in shock processing that information, she also had to re listen to that voicemail with the police a few more times. At least they get a more concrete timeline from this recording. It was left at 8:46pm the night before. And the police felt pretty certain that Sarah had managed to call and leave this voicemail to Laura while she was being attacked in her home. It was just a quick 30 second voicemail, but you can hear sounds of a struggle, maybe some like garbled screams. Officers thought Sarah was probably trying to just dial Laura or 911 for help. And this is just a heartbreaking realization. But Laura had something else she thought might be good for the police to know. There's only one person in this world that Laura thinks would do something like this to her good friend Sarah. And that was Sarah's ex husband, Lorenzo.

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Could you imagine having an ex where you're like, yeah, like they might kill me one day.

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Or like your best friend finds out that you're murdered and they're like, yeah, it was her ex husband immediately.

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Which is crazy because like it's scary. You don't see like those signs aren't there like when you marry someone, but

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they will show up in a divorce.

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But they, but they show up. Yeah, I mean even in, I feel like early on in any relationship or marriage. Right. Like you people's friendships too. People's true colors and true personality. Like, comes out the longer with someone because you see them get frustrated, you see them get annoyed, you see them get anxious, whatever it may be.

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Also just changes a person, and you're

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Okay.

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But Sarah did not stand for it. She went right to court that day, the day that he kicked her in the back while she was holding their baby, and. And she got a restraining order against him. Looking back at their records, police actually realized this wasn't a first. They had been called out to Sarah and Lorenzo's home on at least one occasion regarding a domestic dispute. It happened a few months after their son's birth. So around January of 1998, Sarah told police that Lorenzo was making, quote, murderous threats to her and that he was refusing to take his medication for depression. And she'd also mentioned to police that he owned several guns. Now, after the restraining order is granted, Lorenzo was not allowed back in the house, which made him so angry that Sarah then told Laura, her friend from work, she was afraid for her life. So you can understand why Lorenzo was immediately brought in for questioning. When Sarah turned up dead, police felt like this was going to be a pretty open and shut case. They figured out, nope, we have our guy. He's going to confess right away.

[B]

We are only 25 minutes in, so I doubt this is him.

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Now, when police bring him in and they're like, do you know why you're here? And he's like, no. And they're like, well, Sarah's dead. Break the news to him. He puts his hands over his face, he falls to his knees. He seems completely gut wrenched. However, when he stands up, police are like, there's no evidence of tears, which again, I hate, hate, hate when this is brought up.

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I hate to because again, you just never know how someone's gonna react.

[A]

Also, I just, I don't tear. So when people are like, oh, she's crying, but there's no tears.

[B]

Oh, he was crying here a little bit.

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I don't ever have tears roll down my face. So if I was crying, like, my eyes might look watery, but I wouldn't have tears. Like, people will be like, no tear in sight. And it's like, yeah, well, when I cry, I don't ever have tears roll down my face. So people would think I literally was a heartless murder.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So what?

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Yeah, so no evidence of support the non tears, babe.

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Maybe his tear ducts are broken. You don't know. You don't know.

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Yep.

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Now, once he got to the interrogation room, his demeanor shifted quite a bit. Now, there was no performative waterworks, honestly, no real emotion at all. And yet the 33 year old Lorenzo insists he had nothing to do with Sarah's murder. He claimed the last time they saw each other was when he picked their son up on Friday, November 13 for his weekend with custody. And he's like, the night of the murder, I have an alibi. He was at his family's home, the one he shares with his parents and brother the night Sarah died. So detectives took a little trip to the family home. It was 30 minutes away in the town of Parkville. Like, we just have to go confirm his alibi. And while his mother Emilia said, ah, she was at work at a local nursing home that night, Lorenzo's younger brother Mike is like, yep, I can confirm Lorenzo was here at this house on the night of Sarah's murder. Apparently, Mike had worked a shift later that night, but when he left for work, Lorenzo was at home with his son. Now, a family confirming someone is at home isn't exactly what the police would consider a solid alibi because this is a very easy lie for a family to tell. So they also seized Lorenzo's car and then they got a warrant for his person, meaning they were able to fingerprint and photograph him, as well as gather Lorenzo's DNA through hair samples. It was going to take some time to get these results Back and compare them to the evidence that was found at the crime scene. But Lorenzo did give the police something to do in the meantime. He said, okay, I understand you're looking at me, but there's someone else you should also be looking into. Someone he says was certain Sarah was having an affair with. Okay, so now we've brought in the love triangle. He's like, yeah, I didn't kill her, but she was cheating on me with this person, and you should look into him. It was her old supervisor and mentor at the NSA, 51 year old Dawn Lewis. Almost immediately, though, police are a little skeptical about this lead that was brought to them by the ex husband. Not only had dawn since retired from the nsa, he was now living in an entirely different state up in Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Still, detectives made the trip so they could talk to him about this alleged affair and cross him off the list. And when they get there and knocked on his door to ask him about Sarah, he was completely shocked about the news of her death. What he wasn't shocked about, though, was that Lorenzo had told them that him and Sarah were having an affair. Apparently, Lorenzo had emailed him in the past accusing him of the same exact thing. But Don insists to police that's just not true. That wasn't the nature of his relationship with Sarah. There was never anything romantic going on between them. And Lorenzo was literally just controlling and paranoid. He was paranoid over Sarah.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Don even says, I've always been more of a father figure, mentor to Sarah. Like, this has definitely never been a work fling. Plus, he had a rock solid alibi. He was at a dinner party in Massachusetts the night Sarah was killed. So police go back to some of Sarah's co workers just to see their take on this alleged relationship. And Laura, who also worked at the NSA with Sarah and Don and was one of her best friends, said it's not true. Like, it's a ridiculous accusation. There were no romantic feelings whatsoever. Lorenzo made this entire thing up in his head. He was spiraling. Which makes sense since we heard that Lorenzo was jealous over his own one year old son for taking attention away from him. I mean, I understand that having a baby can be complex, but also, there's no one a baby needs more than

[B]

their mother, than their parents or their mom. Yeah, true.

[A]

At 1 years old, that baby has barely lived life. It is attached to the mom. It's gonna be a lot of years before that mother begins to gain some independence.

[B]

You know, I bet that happens a lot, though. Oh, yeah, I bet it happens a lot.

[A]

I Mean, you know, that's why I say pain.

[B]

I don't have a kid yet, but I bet it happens a lot.

[A]

Well, that's why I say it's complicated feelings, because everyone knows introducing a kid into a marriage brings change no matter what. Right. But the reality is, is when you make the decision to bring a kid into a marriage, you are understanding that that baby is going to need its mother. It's going to take up the mother's attention for quite a while.

[B]

Yeah, but, I mean, a lot of people don't realize that, too. No, but, yes, you're correct. Yeah.

[A]

So he's jealous over his little son. He's jealous over this affair partner that was a complete.

[B]

That was not an affair partner.

[A]

It didn't exist. Which only then cast more suspicion on Lorenzo, because it seems like he really was in a very bad downward spiral regarding his marriage. And he didn't do himself any favors when he failed to show up to Sarah's funeral. In fact, his entire family was absent from those services at that point. Police really needed the results of those DNA tests to move forward, but in the meantime, they decided to reanalyze the one solid piece of evidence they had. And that was the voicemail message. So detectives started playing this tape over and over, looking for any tiny details they might have missed. And the more they heard it, the more they think they picked up on something. Something Sarah appeared to be trying to say during the struggle. Now it's muffled, which is why they didn't catch it the first time. And it does take a while for them to make it out. But eventually they came to the conclusion that she was saying the name Mike.

[B]

Mike. Okay.

[A]

And immediately the pieces start to fall together because police are like, why would she be saying Mike, not Lorenzo? Well, Lorenzo's brother, the one who supported his alibi the. The night that she was killed, said, yeah, Lorenzo was at home with me. His name's Mike.

[B]

Interesting. Okay.

[A]

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[A]

Rules and restrictions may apply. Well, detectives pulled Mike in for an interview next and while he completely denied having anything to do with Sarah's gruesome murder, police took hair samples and fingerprinted him as well. And again, we're now back to a waiting game. But when they drove Mike back to his job later that day, after questioning him, he immediately got out of the police cruiser and threw up. Oh, gets out and throws up all over the place.

[B]

Lorenzo.

[A]

Mike.

[B]

Mike. Okay.

[A]

Which said to the police, like, this worked this guy up so much, he denied having anything to do with it.

[B]

No, that's a red flag.

[A]

But he got worked up so much that he threw up the second he got out of our car. Card.

[B]

But no offense, I feel like you would do that.

[A]

I know. Yeah. That would be nerve wracking.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So police after this, after he's done throwing up everywhere, they give him their card, and they say, hey, as soon as you're ready to confess, give us a call.

[B]

That's what they said.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

But things hit a snag with Mike pretty soon after that. The attorney who was representing Lorenzo stepped in and told the police. Yet you're also not speaking to Mike without an attorney present as well. So once again, the police had to pivot if they wanted to get one brother talking. Which was when they turned to an unlikely cohort. Someone who had their own grievances with Lorenzo, but also knew him pretty well. His first wife before Sarah, a woman named Becky. They're like, let's bring in the ex wife now. When the police sat Becky down and told her about Sarah's murder, she's pretty eager to help because she insists, I've seen the dark side of Lorenzo.

[B]

I wonder how many. I feel like Becky's a very common name in these cases. We do.

[A]

Really?

[B]

What I was going to say is I wonder if there's one name that

[A]

has tied to murder.

[B]

No. That has more divorces than others or, like, tied to murder more than others.

[A]

You know, like, statistically, it's that name. You have a higher. Yeah.

[B]

I'm going to go look those up. Yeah.

[A]

Wait, that's kind of smart. It's like signs, horoscope. Horoscopes.

[B]

Yeah, I guess so. But honestly, it's probably going to come down to what name was popular during that time.

[A]

So you're always thinking of every angle.

[B]

I'm always thinking.

[A]

So now I will say I think it's hard when police bring in an enemy of a suspect and are like, yeah, tell us. But also at the same time. And ex wife does know a lot about him, so I do think her point of view is also important. So it's just difficult. But she's like, yes, my Ex husband. Lorenzo has a dark side. And lucky for investigators, she wasn't on such bad terms with Lorenzo that it would feel random for her to call him. She's like, we actually have stayed pretty friendly after our divorce. So police are like, listen, can you call him and we tap into it. Can we just record a call between you and your ex husband, Ask him about Sarah's murder. You know, just talk to him about it. So Becky called him to extend her condolences about Sarah. In fact, they actually spoke a couple times over the next few days or weeks. And each time, the police listened in and they claimed Becky was a great informant. The problem was Lorenzo never said a single thing that incriminated him on those calls. If anything, they made the police feel like maybe he was innocent after all. Something that really solidified for detectives when, a few weeks after Sarah's death, they got some results back from the crime scene. Now, remember those bloody glove prints they took from Sarah's walls? Well, the DNA results said the mixture belonged to Sarah, the blood and an unknown male. So they compared that male sample to the DNA they collected from Lorenzo and Mike, the brothers, and the result said neither of them was a match. They'd been telling the truth. There was unknown DNA at the crime scene mixed in with the blood. Someone else had to have been there and killed Sarah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It is a massive setback for the investigation because they've been spending all their time on these brothers. Basically, this discovery puts them back to square one.

[B]

It's hard. I feel like if I was a detective, Easier said than done. I know nobody come at me logically. Obviously, it probably can't work this way, but I feel like it would be hard for me to go after people until I had DNA back. Right. Because you do. You spend all this time thinking, oh, it's them. Then you get the DNA, and you're like, oh, never mind talking to the XY. But I just wasted 30 hours for no reason, right? I don't know.

[A]

Now, it's at this point when they get this back that they're like, yep, we're bringing in the FBI. Especially because Sarah was killed so brutally, they wondered, I wonder if this matches any other FBI cases.

[B]

That's so sad.

[A]

They're thinking, maybe this is just one of those rare things where this was a serial killer. So they ask, and the FBI is like, no, this doesn't fit any MOs we've seen. But they wanted another favor from the FBI. They wanted them to try and enhance the voicemail to see if there Was anything their tech could pick up that maybe the local police didn't have access to. But again, there was nothing. In fact, the FBI is like, we're not even sure we're hearing the name Mike. They believe the detectives were probably imagining it, knowing that Lorenzo's brother was named Mike. So after this seven to eight months go by, police are no closer to making an arrest. If anything, they'd taken a few steps back. It seemed like Sarah's case was never going to be solved. But then police got one really lucky break. It was around May of 1999, when the Baltimore County PD got a call from someone at the Baltimore County Detention Center. It wasn't an officer. It was a jailhouse informant named Edison George. Edison said he was talking to a fellow inmate there who was currently serving time for an armed robbery at a McDonald's a few months earlier. But this informant.

[B]

Armed robbery at McDonald's? Yeah, out of all the places to an armed robbery. And we're gonna try McDonald's.

[A]

Yeah, like, arms, too.

[B]

Like that's a heavy charge at McDonald's. Go to Bruce Chris. Or like, maybe he thought he could get. I guess they probably don't have much cash there, but I don't know. That's hilarious.

[A]

Now the informant's like, listen, this McDonald's robber, he allegedly confessed to a murder that he had committed prior to the McDonald's robbery. The person who confessed was a 19 year old man named Ardell Tickles. Yeah, Tickles.

[B]

Is that like a play on words or. His name's Ardell Tickles.

[A]

That's his name.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Now, the Baltimore police knew better than to take an informant's word for it. So they're like, yep, we're gonna need you to wear wire and get Mr. Tickles talking again.

[B]

I can't. Do not call Mr. Tickles. No, you can. You can.

[A]

Which Edison did. And Ardell started mentioning very explicitly the way he committed that previous murder he had talked about. He described how he'd busted through his victim's window while she was studying.

[B]

He.

[A]

He surprised her. He stabbed her in the stomach. He talked about nearly decapitating the female victim with a knife.

[B]

What the.

[A]

Talks about slicing her wrists. And while he doesn't mention Sarah's name, he's just. He's just referring to her as, like, girl. Police were thinking he's basically describing Sarah's murder. Not to mention, these details he's confessing had not been known to the public. Like, the. The graphic nature of the crime, her hands almost being cut off, her head Almost being cut off that hadn't been released. And yet it sounded like a step by step play of what the police analyzed at the crime. But that's not even the most shocking detail mentioned in the tape. When Ardell is asked, okay, like, why'd you do this, though? Like, why did you commit this random murder? He goes, oh, no. Like, this wasn't for me. I was hired to kill this girl. I'm a hitman.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And he said the woman who paid him to make the hit was someone who had worked with him. So police are like looking at each other, stunned, wondering who. What woman in Sarah's life would have paid for a hitman to kill her? So next they're obviously like, let's just pull up Ardell's former employment records, go through them and see if there's anyone that crosses over into Sarah's life and they discover something of interest. And honestly, I'm like, low key shocked you haven't pieced this together.

[B]

The ex wife?

[A]

No. Ardell worked in the laundry room of a local nursing home. And you know who else worked at the nursing home as a nurse?

[B]

Who?

[A]

Lorenzo and Mike's mother. Sarah's mother in law, 63 year old Emilia Raras.

[B]

The mother in law, we haven't really talked about her.

[A]

The mother in law who's been watching this son through this custody battle, who stepped in and tried to help.

[B]

That is nuts. That's insane.

[A]

The mother in law who told police she was at work the night of the murder. So now they find a connection. They're like, what are the chances Mike and Lorenzo's mom works with Ardell? And then Ardell tells this jailhouse informant that he was hired by someone he worked with to kill Sarah. Okay, so they start gathering witnesses. It's not hard to confirm. Emilia and Ardell definitely knew each other. They worked a lot of the same hours at the nursing home. When questioned, other employees said they had seen them talking on multiple occasions before Sarah was found dead. One nurse claimed Ardell came around the nurses station a lot looking for Emilia. It seemed they kind of had a mother son type of relationship. Which adds up when you look at Ardell's background. I mean, he had a pretty unstable home. He had been in foster care for quite a while. So it's not that odd that Ardell looked up to Emilia as a mother figure in some ways. And I guess that's why he agreed when Amelia made him an offer. $3,000 to murder her ex daughter in law who was trying to gain full, full Custody of her grandson.

[B]

$3,000. No way. So that is not worth it.

[A]

The Baltimore County PD share all of this with the Howard police, who are still like jurisdictionally in charge of Sarah's.

[B]

Dude, I can't believe that she just got killed because the mother in law wanted to kill her. Yeah, that's horrible.

[A]

Because of custody battle.

[B]

That's absolutely horrible.

[A]

Don't get me wrong. Custody battle does feel like just crazy.

[B]

Now this kid just doesn't have a mom.

[A]

Yeah, because of horrible. His grandma.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Now on August 24, 1999, they arrest Ardell, they bring him in for questioning, they play him the confession. They're like, listen, you're facing first degree murder charges, which in Maryland also could equal the death penalty. But if you decide to help us out, tell us who hired you, maybe that can change. They show him a picture of Amelia. They're like, is this the woman who hired you? And he's like, yep, that's her. He told them that amelia paid him $3,000 in cash to kill her daughter and ex daughter in law. But here's the thing. They don't really know how reliable Ardell's statement really was. Could they take his word that Amelia hired him? Was he just blaming things on her? Well, the police had a method to confirm his statement, and that was following the money. They get a warrant for Amelia's financial records, and sure enough, right before the murder, Amelia wrote a check out to cash in the amount of $3,000, which obviously is pretty good evidence. Helps them secure an arrest warrant for Amelia.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

On the same day the of Ardell's arrest, police picked Amelia up and brought her down to the station. They're like, listen, you're going to be charged with conspiracy and solicitation to commit murder. And they told her they already had gotten a taped confession out of Ardell. Tickles. And then they placed crime scene photos of a deceased Sarah in front of her and told her, hey, this is what your $3,000 paid for. And shockingly, Amelia admitted she did pay Ardell. Tickles. But not to kill her daughter in law. She's like, I only paid for him to scare her, maybe throw a couple of rocks at her house. Now police aren't buying it. Who pays someone $3,000 to throw rocks at someone's home? Yeah, but it's the reason why she wanted this. That actually comes as a real shock because they're like, obviously it's the custody dispute, right? But Emily is like, no, I wanted to scare Sarah because after having the grandson she completely disrespected her mother in law. Felt like daughter in law. Sarah questioned her maternal experience and and didn't like her grandparenting style. She made comments about how Sarah was handling breastfeeding and bathing her son. And Amelia said, I tried to help her do it the right way. And Sarah just rejected all of my advice.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

So this.

[B]

Do not be the crazy mother in law. Please don't do it.

[A]

Everyone's allowed to parent how they want.

[B]

Don't be a crazy mother in law also. Or father in law.

[A]

I guess the custody dispute made 10,000 more sense than you being offended by the way your daughter.

[B]

Daughter killed. That's insane.

[A]

Because you don't like the way she breastfeeds.

[B]

No, that's prison for life.

[A]

Also, being a mom's already hard enough.

[B]

Chop her legs off.

[A]

Yeah. So sounds like Emelia was just overbearing and jealous and hurt and maybe just had some narcissistic tendencies. But Amelia took the offense to a whole new level. She said in her culture back in the Philippines, mothers were supposed to be revered and respected, and Sarah's behavior towards her was a slap on the face and, quote, showing disrespect to a mother is death. This is what Emilia says in her interview. Ultimately, Amelia is portraying herself as the victim in this situation. But Amelia's issues obviously don't stop there. She spoke about how she also wasn't a good wife to her son. She felt like Sarah was cheating on her son. And then she finally mentions the ongoing custody battle. But police weren't buying her excuse that she hadn't hired Ardell to kill Sarah. They're like, we don't believe you hired him to throw rocks. They also weren't sure about one other detail. Do Mike and Lorenzo know about this? Like, do they know their mother?

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Did this. But Emilia's like, no, I never told either.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

And after hours of wiretaps and constant surveillance on the house, police actually think she's telling the truth. They also confirmed the unknown male DNA inside Sarah's house was a match with Ardell. Tickles. And a friend of Ardell's came forward to say she helped him rent a car for the crime and helped him burn his bloody boots after the murder. This source even takes police to the exact spot where they burned the boots. And after recovering one, they found it was a match for the bloody prints found inside Sarah's home.

[B]

What did Lorenzo and Mike say? That's crazy.

[A]

So I'm going to start with Emilia's charges. First, she's found guilty on all charges. During her sentencing, she said, quote, I would like to say to the honorable court that I had no intention at all to kill Sarah. I'm very, very sorry that it happened. But meanwhile, the judge calls Emilia, quote, an evil person without, quote, real remorse. Emilia was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole for hiring this hitman.

[B]

I don't get how she gets life, but we have people who are killing people. We get like 15 years.

[A]

I know. Well, I mean, she deserves life.

[B]

No, she does. I'm just. I don't understand the inconsistency.

[A]

Then In March of 2000, Ardell Tickles pleaded guilty to avoid the death penalty. And with so much evidence stacked against him, he didn't stand a chance against a jury anyways. Emilia has tried to appeal her sentence, but is currently, as of this recording, still in custody at the Maryland Correctional Institution for Women. And in a strange, heartbreaking twist of fate, Emilia sort of got what she wanted out of all this. Lorenzo ended up getting full custody of the son he shared with Sarah because he didn't do it.

[B]

That is so. I mean, I do feel kind of bad for Lorenzo because it wasn't him.

[A]

This isn't.

[B]

He wasn't involved. So it's like he lost his ex wife. He also lost the mother of his children, like, and all this trauma. And then he also lost his mom.

[A]

Also. No parent wants full custody because their mother murdered their ex wife.

[B]

No. It's horrible.

[A]

At the beginning, we talked about how becoming a parent is one of the greatest gifts in life, but also definitely one of the most vulnerable. But when love turns to control, when opinion turns to judgment, when support is undermined by frustration, resentment, and hatred, those fractures don't just hurt a family. I mean, it just proved they can literally lead to outcomes that fail everyone involved, and that is the murder of Sarah Rawas.

[B]

That's crazy that the mother in law did it and they're not even involved, like Lorenzo and Mike and all them.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

It's heartbreaking. I mean, there's survivors that. This is very nuanced and complex. And there are survivors of this story that I can't imagine how they've navigated living with this. So let's just take a minute to remember them and remember. And remember Sarah, who did not deserve any of this. Thank you guys so much for listening to today's episode or watching and we will see you next time with another one. I love it.

[B]

I hate it.

[A]

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