
We’ve packed and starched three pairs of pants just to make sure we’re prepared for ANYTHING this episode! So bring on the much-needed glasses, duplicate Jugheads, and extremely appealing haunted artifacts! Spilled coffee? No problem! Just gotta figure out how to get into these fresh, starched-solid jammies. Suggested talking points: One of Travis’s Brain Mistakes, Starchmaxxing, Everything Everywhere All at Brush, Nut Emergency, Stop Ogling the Vampire Sex Spell Marsha P. Johnson Institute: https://marshap.org/
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Griffin McElroy
The McElroy brothers are not experts and their advice should never be followed. Travis insists he's a sexpert, but if there's a degree on his wall, I haven't seen it. Also, this show isn't for kids, which I mention only so the babies out there will know how cool they are for listening. What's up, you cool baby?
Intro Singer / Chorus
It's the start of something beautiful A
Travis McElroy
small acquaintance has blossomed it's ripened into
Intro Singer / Chorus
a precious friends I could have never seen what was coming for me Hangs at the skate park Hangs by the beach My life it feels like
Griffin McElroy
life
Intro Singer / Chorus
is Ah, it's better it's better with you My life ah, it's better it's better with you this is who you
Travis McElroy
are
Intro Singer / Chorus
it's better it's better with two.
Justin McElroy
It's better with you hello, everybody. Welcome to the Maximum Fun Drive. It's my brother, my brother B. I'm the Host, brother, Justin McElroy.
Travis McElroy
I'm sorry, Justin. I'm pretty sure you have to sing Send in the Clowns.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, it is actually contractually obligated that you sing the song.
Travis McElroy
Yeah. No. If you don't do it.
Justin McElroy
Send in the Clowns is for the monumental episodes. This is Pay the Piper.
Travis McElroy
Oh, right, right, right.
Griffin McElroy
Oh, you're right. You're right.
Justin McElroy
You'.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, I guess hit Pay the Piper maybe a little bit harder. The notes. I'm getting these notes back from the focus group that we hired to sit
Justin McElroy
and watch us, so.
Travis McElroy
Yeah.
Justin McElroy
That's so interesting. Let me try again. Cause I know that we have paid. This is the one bad thing about Max Fund Drive, which is the time that we come to you every year and say, hey, if you like the content that we make here in the Maximum Fund Network, if you could kick in a few bucks to help make that happen. The negative thing about it, that a lot of people don't want to talk about, but I would like to get out. Yeah. Early. Is that we have already prepaid a consulting firm hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Griffin McElroy
So much money to optimize this drive.
Justin McElroy
There is no way we are not already sunk.
Travis McElroy
We are good money after bad, taking a huge bath.
Griffin McElroy
We've never not been in the red, despite how much incredible support we've gotten. But Jesse loves this consulting firm. He is crazy about him.
Justin McElroy
Yes, he's not even in charge anymore. It's a co op run with the employees, but still, somehow, he's the one.
Griffin McElroy
He'll still text you, you like using the firm. And he does it in all lowercase so, you know, he's being like kind of coy about it, but he loves this fucking firm. But it is the Max Fund drive. And this show exists because of people like you listening to it and enjoying it now. So Please go to maximumfun.org join there's so many great, wonderful prizes. I don't know if we're supposed to call them prizes, but.
Travis McElroy
What's up, Trav Nation? I'm your middlest brother, Travis. Big dog. Wolf, Wolf. Vroom, vroom. The Heater award winning hat in hand, McElroy.
Griffin McElroy
What's up, Travnation? It's me, your sweet baby brother. 30 under 30 media luminary. Built for tough. I don't have a baseball one yet. Griffin McElroy.
Travis McElroy
It felt like the time to deploy it.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, yeah. Strong.
Travis McElroy
I was waiting for the right move.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah.
Travis McElroy
So we haven't said it yet, but this is Max Fun Drive. Your chance to support.
Justin McElroy
I should have mentioned that up top.
Travis McElroy
Yeah, we should have mentioned it.
Justin McElroy
I mentioned that up top.
Travis McElroy
This is your chance to support the art and artists you love. And that's us. Because the number one thing, we are
Griffin McElroy
artists, artists making art because of you. Thanks to you for supporting us.
Justin McElroy
Sorry, I was just reading back over the past highlights of the MBMBAM botas content and I had completely forgotten that we rerecorded one of our episodes with Matt Doyle.
Griffin McElroy
It was conceptual. It was extraordinarily conceptual. That's right, Justin. That is but one of the many Boko offerings.
Justin McElroy
Pranky Doodle Dandy.
Griffin McElroy
Pranky Doodle Dandy. I think Pranky Doodle Dandy contains my best joke. My best joke I've ever deployed is in Pranky Doodle Dandy. And it was against our friend Lynn. And you just gotta hear it to believe it. Cause it's so fucking sick. It's like a sick burn.
Justin McElroy
So if people go to maximumfun.org join you can get all these details, you can hear about all this. But Travis, you were mid spiel and I interrupt and I'm so sorry.
Travis McElroy
Well, we have a lot of great boko. Some past highlights include Pranky Doodle Dandy, which includes Griffin's best joke. We did a full re recording of episode 400 with Matt Doyle.
Griffin McElroy
That was our Escape to Margaritaville blue carpet premiere episode. It was a fever dream.
Travis McElroy
There's all kinds of stuff. You can go to maximumfun.org join to become a member.
Griffin McElroy
Do we want to talk about what we did this year for our boh?
Justin McElroy
Yeah, Travis, I think you could do it. But Then I think Travis is going
Travis McElroy
to do it again after, in a more professional. Like someone who won an iHeart Media Podcast Award with.
Griffin McElroy
We didn't win it for. We did not win it for pledge driving. We won it for ads, which is very much the opposite.
Travis McElroy
It's an ad.
Justin McElroy
This is an ad. A pledge drive is an ad for.
Griffin McElroy
An ad for us, an ad for us.
Justin McElroy
So big. So big, you know, big radio doesn't come in and buy out the whole station and shut us down like they've been threatening to do for so long.
Travis McElroy
Old Man Radio knocking on radio killed the podcast star.
Justin McElroy
Sirius XM has been banging on the door saying, you guys have a radio station. We're a radio company. Let's work this out.
Griffin McElroy
And they don't want us to do a show on there. They want to shut us down.
Justin McElroy
They want to shut us down. They want to shut us down because we're competing with Howard Stern.
Travis McElroy
They've been calling me a lot. They're like, how would you like two hours after Mark McGrath of Sugar Ray? And I'm like, what do you mean, two hours after? Like, what does that mean? And they're like, you could sit in the booth that he was just in for two hours thinking your thoughts. And I'm like, that sounds great. Would I play music? And they said, oh, God, no, we don't play music.
Griffin McElroy
Travis. I actually. I hate to do this in the middle of our sort of pledge drive where we're asking people to Support us@maximumfund.org join. But none of Mark's McGrath's microphones are plugged in. They just let him go in there, but none of his mics are plugged in. There's nothing recording. He just goes in there and they say, time for your show. And it's different every week. Yeah, but none of it is actually real. It's a toy. In fact, it's using a Fisher Price toy microphone, but he hasn't noticed yet.
Travis McElroy
That tracks. So for as low as $5 a month, you can become a member. Or if you're already a member, you can consider upgrading, boosting all those things. There's a whole bunch of different levels with a whole bunch of different rewards. And if you go to maximumfun.org join, you'll find out about those. Now, what kind of special stuff do we have planned for the Max Fun Drive? Well, I'm glad you asked. I've invented a new game.
Griffin McElroy
Oh, you may even mention, I just want to hear what our BO code this year is.
Travis McElroy
Oh, right. We Sat down with Janet Varney for a masterclass on voice acting in which Janet Varney shamed us into being better voice actors. Question mark. You can check that out. As well as every past book code, not just from my brother, my brother and me, but from all the max fun shows including Adventure Zone, Sawbones, Shmanners, and wonderful@maximumfun.org join now. Are you ready?
Griffin McElroy
How come whenever she said mean stuff to us, she always did it in the Korra voice? Cause she was like, I want it to feel like Korra's like fucking burning you and razzing you.
Travis McElroy
Well, that's how she do.
Griffin McElroy
I guess.
Travis McElroy
So that's how Janet Varney.
Griffin McElroy
It's very powerful. A good, strong, powerful move.
Travis McElroy
It's River Natural. These are two real weird shows. Weird stuff happens on them. Sometimes the same arm, both. It's River Natural. Welcome to River Natural, a game in which I will give you a plot line and you will tell me if it's from Riverdale, Supernatural, or both.
Griffin McElroy
This is a good, good, good, good, good idea, Travy. I'm so excited for it, River. And I'm excited for. And I'm excited for your mustache.
Travis McElroy
Thank you very much, Griffa.
Griffin McElroy
That I did have to tell. I did give you some criticism, some edit.
Travis McElroy
It's a little lopsided.
Griffin McElroy
It was quite lopsided by about a good quarter inch.
Travis McElroy
But sometimes it takes a brother's eye and a mother's love.
Justin McElroy
So it's really quite a gift because you could have let the Internet handle your light work. And that's very beautiful of you, Griffin, to see.
Griffin McElroy
Nah, man. I mean, it looked like he was wearing like a upside down uppercase J. It was really quiet.
Travis McElroy
I was going for a look. It was a. It was a. It was a love letter to Justin. And you took that away from him
Justin McElroy
like it was melting down one side.
Griffin McElroy
Yes, yes.
Travis McElroy
It was a Salvador Dali mustache.
Griffin McElroy
So, Travis, is it gonna. Is it gonna fuck things up that I've seen probably two seasons of Riverdale and then as much supernatural as I could stomach. That show is too scary for me. No, I feel like I'm gonna have a. I did. I feel like Riverdale didn't get too supernatural until later on.
Travis McElroy
A lot of this stuff is from later season.
Justin McElroy
Riverdale.
Travis McElroy
So Riverdale, which.
Griffin McElroy
Which season does the smoke monster come out of Jughead's butt?
Travis McElroy
That's episode one, season one.
Griffin McElroy
Okay.
Justin McElroy
Yeah.
Griffin McElroy
Right.
Travis McElroy
That's opening shot, literally. So Riverdale show about some all American teenagers and Supernatural. A show about two brothers traveling the world fighting demons and monsters and stuff. And the Venn diagram is a circle. Okay, are you guys ready?
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, I'm ready and willing.
Travis McElroy
Okay, here is your first plot line. The main characters have to deal with a haunted doll moving on its own and terrorizing people. Is that Riverdale, Supernatural, or both?
Justin McElroy
Both.
Griffin McElroy
I also think it's both. That seems. That seems general enough.
Travis McElroy
That is correct. Sam and Dean do battle with a ghost that possesses dolls and murders people at a bed and breakfast. And Cheryl, Blossom's unborn brother, which would have made her and her brother triplets. Julian possesses a doll, and it causes friction between Cheryl and her girlfriend. Ugh.
Griffin McElroy
What kind of. That could mean anything?
Travis McElroy
Well, her girlfriend's like, hey, for fuck's sake, please get rid of that haunted doll. And while you're at it, if you want to get rid of the corpse of your brother that you put makeup on and keep around the house for some reason, that would also be cool.
Griffin McElroy
If I had a doll with one of you guys in it, I would for sure get rid of it, because I think that's what you would want.
Justin McElroy
If a haunted doll is ever causing literal friction in your sexual relationship, it may be time to reevaluate because that is not an appropriate application of a haunted doll.
Travis McElroy
I should also say spoilers for Riverdale and Supernatural if that wasn't obvious.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, geez, pal.
Travis McElroy
After traveling through time with an angel by their side, a main character tries to stop the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.
Justin McElroy
Okay, okay.
Griffin McElroy
Fucking shit, dude.
Justin McElroy
Fuck.
Griffin McElroy
Fuck, dude.
Justin McElroy
Either one is pretty bodacious.
Griffin McElroy
Both.
Justin McElroy
The only show that's actually allowed to do stuff like this is Quantum Leap,
Travis McElroy
as we all know.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, Quantum Leap is the only one. Fuck, dude.
Justin McElroy
I answered authoritatively. First, Griffin, I'm going to let you know.
Griffin McElroy
Okay, I know there is a time travel subplot at some point in Supernatural, so I'm going to say Supernatural. I do not think they would touch this rail with Archie and the gang.
Justin McElroy
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with Griffin because there is also a time travel subplot in Riverdale where they go back to original Archie times and everybody's Archie eyes to the original Archie vision.
Griffin McElroy
That sounds cool.
Justin McElroy
Yeah, man. I kind of. I know. I'm not ever going to watch it.
Travis McElroy
Yeah, I'm not going to watch it.
Justin McElroy
It sounds cool.
Travis McElroy
Justin is correct.
Griffin McElroy
Damn it.
Travis McElroy
Tabitha, who is Pop's granddaughter, is Chrono kinetic, or more simply put, a time traveler. This is from the Wiki. The drama of her getting shot by Percival's Hitman unlocked her gift, sending her back in time to December 24, 1944, where she was guided by her guardian angel, Raphael, to complete her mission. As Tabitha continued to travel, she learned that some events in time are fixed points, meaning certain incidents from the past affect the fabric of the world so enormously that the universe won't let them be altered, such as the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Griffin McElroy
So this is. This is the Jughead show. Riverdale.
Travis McElroy
Correct.
Griffin McElroy
Awesome. That's great.
Travis McElroy
I heard.
Griffin McElroy
I'll be honest, Travis. I heard angel and I thought. Lay up. Supernatural is lousy with these fucking hot, hot guys. Usually egg on my face.
Justin McElroy
Sorry, Grif.
Travis McElroy
A witch burned at the stake centuries earlier, possesses a main character and attempts to seduce another main character. Both. That's easy.
Griffin McElroy
Both.
Justin McElroy
I'm gonna say Supernatural.
Travis McElroy
That would be Riverdale. Cheryl. Cheryl's ancestor.
Justin McElroy
What happened on that show.
Travis McElroy
Cheryl's ancestor was a powerful witch, possesses her body and attempts to seduce her girlfriend. If I'm not mistaken, the same girlfriend that didn't like having the haunted doll around.
Griffin McElroy
Haunted doll? Yeah. Why is she sticking around, man? This is your sign. Get out of there.
Travis McElroy
It is. So right now, Joset has one point. It is discovered that the events of the series are being written about in a popular book series.
Griffin McElroy
Whoa. Huh? Okay. Both Supernatural.
Travis McElroy
Griffin is correct. There's a book series that chronicles the Winchester brothers adventures by an author named Chuck. There is a similar storyline in Riverdale that results in Jughead having to lock himself in a bunker and write stories to save the universe. But that universe is River Vale, a dark version of Riverdale.
Griffin McElroy
Trav, I need to. I need to know this is a reputable wiki that you're getting these from and not something more, let's say, amateur generated, unauthorized.
Travis McElroy
This is all real, baby.
Griffin McElroy
That's cool. So Jughead, the burger man, has to save the universe by writing. Yes, by writing his way out. That's cool.
Travis McElroy
Well, there's two Jugheads because they're in River Vale. So there's Riverdale, Jughead and River Vale. Jughead, often referred to as narrator Jughead and writer Jughead.
Griffin McElroy
Okay, there's two. There's two. There's two Jugheads inside of all of us.
Travis McElroy
That's true.
Justin McElroy
So this is kind of like a Ted Mosby situation where you got two different Ted Moses. You got the. The older guy telling the story to his kids, and then you got the younger guy who's an architect, and none
Travis McElroy
of it can be trusted.
Griffin McElroy
You got Saget prime, second prime, and
Justin McElroy
he's Changing the story for the kids because sometimes they'll take out some of
Travis McElroy
the profanity and change weed to sandwiches.
Griffin McElroy
Residents, is there like a supernatural plotline on him? I think is how you shorten that one.
Travis McElroy
They're all ghosts.
Griffin McElroy
Himyim. Okay. They're all ghosts.
Travis McElroy
Residents of a town are terrorized by what they believe to be paranormal predators. But the main character's discovery is actually a family of crazed rednecks.
Justin McElroy
Both shows.
Griffin McElroy
Both shows.
Travis McElroy
My brother. My brother and me.
Griffin McElroy
By virtue of this segment. Yeah, I think Justin should get at least a half a point.
Travis McElroy
Okay, yeah, Justin can have a half a point. Griffin is correct. In Supernatural, it's one episode in Riverdale. It spans at least one season, maybe multiple seasons. It is at first believed to be an alien species called the Mothman.
Griffin McElroy
Oh, interesting. Until they didn't know that they could use that.
Travis McElroy
Yep. Until they discovered that it is an inbred redneck family like you do.
Griffin McElroy
So you guys can. It's the one Cryptid we have. Well, I guess we have a flatwood monster too, but come on.
Travis McElroy
Okay, we got lots of Cryptids. One more. A D and D esque game is unleashed on the town and many residents become obsessed. The game involves many real life dangers to advance, including every player who receiving a mission to murder one of the main characters.
Griffin McElroy
Oh, man, that's cool.
Travis McElroy
Justin, I feel like you've lost the plot a little bit. It's Riverdale Supernatural. Or both.
Griffin McElroy
Or both. There's only three answers you can't write
Travis McElroy
in E and then fill that bubble in. That doesn't work.
Griffin McElroy
Is neither an option?
Travis McElroy
No. Riverdale. Let's say natural or both.
Griffin McElroy
Okay.
Justin McElroy
I feel like. I feel like Supernatural be more tuned
Griffin McElroy
into that community, but I do think Riverdale is the right answer because I think they would do a Jumanji episode for sure.
Travis McElroy
Griffin is correct. In Riverdale, they play Griffins and gargoyles and at the behest of the Gargoyle King, a terrorizing figure that is seen wandering the town. And he's like 10ft tall. one point, every player is assigned the mission to murder Archie.
Griffin McElroy
Whoa. Holy shit. Good luck.
Justin McElroy
You never see that coming.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah. Damn, I want to be. The Gargoyle King is ruffing out good.
Travis McElroy
There's also a scene where Archie fist fights a bear, and I couldn't figure out a way to include that that wouldn't make it obvious that it was Archie fighting a bear.
Griffin McElroy
Did the bear also have a game like a kick?
Travis McElroy
No, this is separate. Archie kicks the bear's Ass.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, of course.
Justin McElroy
Archie Archer the bear.
Travis McElroy
And yeah, who would you rather be
Griffin McElroy
stuck in the woods with one Archie or one bear?
Justin McElroy
I mean, I would say if Archie over the bear, but Jughead can rewrite reality, so I don't know where that puts him in the power rankings.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, Travis, that was a really good game.
Travis McElroy
Griffin wins.
Justin McElroy
You said that you won. That's the only reason you like the game.
Griffin McElroy
It's a really good game. I can't. I watched a not insignificant amount of Riverdale and they didn't get into any of this shit. They didn't get in anywhere near that shit.
Justin McElroy
I am stricken with embarrassingly poor eyesight and can't see without my glasses. I lost my glasses this morning. So the only way I can see and read throughout the day is with my prescription sunglasses. How do I wear my sunglasses indoors, out in public, without seeming like a douchey asshole? That's from Corrective Vision Needed in Columbus.
Griffin McElroy
The extra info here is so necessary.
Justin McElroy
They are copper polarized lenses, you know, so this is going to be big Hollywood energy. I feel like this is not like this a light tint. This is like. Yeah, we could have all this cleared
Travis McElroy
out by next week and get a Chipotle in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm just shutting down this stupid place.
Griffin McElroy
The type of sunglasses put such a fucking vital vector on this. Because if they were sort of more tame sunglasses, I would see no problem here. If you roll up into the Panera Bread looking like fucking Cole Trickle, then you're not going to. You are going to turn some heads.
Travis McElroy
Yeah, I know that the quote, he can't see a thing without his glasses is from Mind Girl, but I. For some reason, my brain always first attributes it to the mummy with the guy.
Griffin McElroy
Travis.
Justin McElroy
Yes.
Travis McElroy
Yeah. Yes.
Justin McElroy
This sentence can't be going anywhere interesting. I'm just going to call an audible on this sentence.
Intro Singer / Chorus
No.
Justin McElroy
You know, it's going to.
Griffin McElroy
One of Travis's brain mistakes. Yeah.
Travis McElroy
Is that I always think he can't
Justin McElroy
see a thing without his glasses.
Travis McElroy
Is about the member of the American party that loses his glasses and the mommy takes his eyes.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, yeah, sure. Travis, I'm right there with you. But I also.
Travis McElroy
Very much.
Justin McElroy
But you're also more there with me when I tried to stop that.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
Travis McElroy
Who could say. I think that a power move would be. Every time anyone says anything, lower your glasses and look over the top of them and say, I'm basically legally blind right now. And then slide him back up.
Griffin McElroy
That could. I mean, that's Extremely descriptive. Like you're gonna. No one's going to say fucking shit after that, Trav. So it's a strong answer in that regard. But that is a. I don't know if that's a social encounter that most people are, like, wanting to sort of volunteer over and over and over.
Travis McElroy
That's fair,
Justin McElroy
I guess. The, like, you could really try to play it up like you're doing a bit because of how good your life's going.
Travis McElroy
Oh, you know what I mean?
Justin McElroy
Like, if people are like, hey, Dave, how are things going? You look at me like, pretty good. You tell me.
Griffin McElroy
You tell me.
Justin McElroy
Check the shades. Check the shades.
Travis McElroy
I'm indoors. And then hand him a 20. Thanks for asking, kid.
Justin McElroy
Uh oh, what's that?
Griffin McElroy
Jeans and flip flops. Hang loose.
Justin McElroy
I ran into Dave earlier today. Things are going well. Really good for him, I think.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah.
Travis McElroy
He gave me a 20 and said, Keep the change, which I didn't understand at all, but he said it in such a way that I said, thank you, Mr. Dave. And I was confused but impressed. I don't know, man.
Griffin McElroy
I heard his house just burned down, but he's in like a fucking vibey mood right now. Yeah.
Travis McElroy
Did he have insurance? Did he have like a big insurance? Was it arson? Maybe.
Griffin McElroy
Do you think Dave burned down his own house for the arson money and that's why he's vibing so tightly now?
Travis McElroy
That's so cool.
Justin McElroy
God, he's.
Griffin McElroy
Damn, he's cool. Look at those polarized lenses. I think we got it.
Justin McElroy
I went on an overnight work retreat with one pair of jeans. Planning to wear them both days. Yes, sure. I spilled coffee on my jeans, so I tried to wash them out in the sink last night. This morning, my jeans are soaking wet. How do I wear my pajama pants today? With such purpose that my colleagues do not ask questions. They are light gray sweatpants. I think I can do this.
Griffin McElroy
That's awesome.
Justin McElroy
That's more of that. I like that. I think I could do this. That's from two casual Friday. P.S. i packed three shirts for this two day work retreat. Why couldn't I have spilled the coffee on my shirt?
Travis McElroy
Shirt. Shirt, pants. Shirt pants. Shirt pants.
Griffin McElroy
Pull them on, button up, tuck it into your underwear.
Justin McElroy
Just sew the crotch where the buttons is.
Travis McElroy
Shirt, pants.
Griffin McElroy
Yep. Shirt, pants. Button fly, button fly. Perfect all the way around.
Travis McElroy
I once saw a post somewhere that said, like, I pack clothes. Like, I'm planning to shit my pants every day.
Justin McElroy
Yeah.
Travis McElroy
And that is very much when I pack. If it's like I'M gonna be there for four days, so I'll need 12 pairs of underwear. Like, that's my thought process. And, like, I am the person. I will pack a pair of pants for every day and then, like, an extra pair of pants. Mostly because I know that I will often just shrek around, knock stuff over, spill things on myself sometimes right out the gate.
Griffin McElroy
You know,
Justin McElroy
I have to quibble with our listeners. Y' all have gotta start coming to us a few mistakes earlier than you are. Like, it's so hard to do this. Let's take it from the beginning. Okay. Hey, I'm going on a work trip. Oh, that's cool. Make sure you pack a couple pairs of pants. Nope, Just one. Thank you.
Travis McElroy
Okay, I'm packing four articles of clothing, but here's the thing.
Justin McElroy
Just don't spill anything on them. Nope, too late. Spill coffee on them. Aw, that stinks. Well, make sure you wash them.
Travis McElroy
Yeah, I did.
Justin McElroy
Oh, good. Well, make sure you get them dry. Nope, I didn't. Well, guys, what do I do now? Fucking, why didn't you come to us earlier? You know what I mean? Like, hey, guys, help me pack for my big trip.
Griffin McElroy
God, I crush at packing. I love packing so much, and they never ask us.
Justin McElroy
Give me your perfect packing presentation.
Griffin McElroy
My perfect packing presentation?
Justin McElroy
Cause I think. I think packing's not cool. I think packing's for grandmas. Teach me, Griffin. Give me your perfect packing presentation.
Griffin McElroy
I mean, I like to fold them up tight. I like no creases. My undies, I roll into little burritos, and I build sort of barriers between different items. With.
Justin McElroy
I stop. I stopped folding my underwear a decade ago. So I don't.
Griffin McElroy
Oh, it's not a fold. It's a roll. This is what I'm saying. Boop.
Travis McElroy
Oh, I put, like.
Justin McElroy
I'm not gonna roll. It's like, always a cram with undies. Cram in a drawer, cram in a suitcase. Always a cram.
Travis McElroy
On this, I pack. My packing experience is like a severance innie and outtie. Where when I get to the place that I'm going, I open my suitcase and I'm like, who packed this?
Griffin McElroy
Surprise.
Travis McElroy
Nothing is anywhere. I can't find any. What's in here?
Griffin McElroy
I like it. Wherever I am with my bag is my home, and I want it to feel like home. And so I roll my underwear up into burrito shapes just like you do at home. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's like a chipotle down there.
Justin McElroy
How many pairs of pants do you bring?
Griffin McElroy
Two pairs of pants. Four spills.
Justin McElroy
Can you do one jeans and one fancy? Not jeans. That's usually what I do. I do a brown denim and a regular denim.
Griffin McElroy
Two kinds of pants.
Travis McElroy
Now I have a pair of dress pants that's kind of stretchy and soft and they feel like pajama pants, but they look like dress pants. And those are my go to fly in pants. Cause it's like I'm comfortable in these all day.
Griffin McElroy
No one knows.
Travis McElroy
No one knows.
Griffin McElroy
No one knows how stretchy it is.
Justin McElroy
How do you dress up? How do you dress up pajama pants?
Griffin McElroy
Starch. You gotta starch em up.
Justin McElroy
Starch is good. Starch and iron is good.
Griffin McElroy
Fold each leg sort of the wrong way. Right.
Justin McElroy
Make a pleat.
Griffin McElroy
Depth wise, make a pleat. Make a nice sharp pleat with an iron. Starch those bad boys the fuck up. I get a lot of TikTok content of people starch maxing and making their clothes so rigid that they can stand up on their own. And then they have to put those clothes on. That's my algo right now.
Travis McElroy
Anything's like lowered into them. Like Wallace and Gromit.
Griffin McElroy
No, they like have to lay down on the ground and kind of scoot into them. They're wearing other pants, by the way. This is not a nude sexual sort of. This is not my thing is like starch maxing. I'm just saying it's ended up in my algo and they keep giving it to me. Cause every time I'm like, there's no way they're getting those goddamn jeans on.
Travis McElroy
So you are interested in it. It's not like it keeps popping up and you're like, what is this doing here?
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, but like, their dick's not out. Like, it's not about that.
Travis McElroy
No one said it was.
Griffin McElroy
No, I know, but Travis, again, preparation is a big part of it. Cutting it off at the pass. I just want people to know this is because it's funny to me to watch people put on rigid jeans. You can make sweatpants and into dress pants.
Travis McElroy
Could you fashion a sweatband out of like a hand towel or something? Cut the sleeves off a T shirt, Roll up playing like the Rocky theme on your phone and you're like, I'm ready to company retreat. Let's do this. I'm like, I'm prepped. I'm pumped. Now you're the CEO. You got promoted because you care the most. Yes.
Justin McElroy
I think if this person wanted to put in that level of effort, they would have dried their jeans.
Travis McElroy
Fair enough.
Justin McElroy
I'm not sure. Planning is there for it.
Travis McElroy
There's no hair dryer where you're staying?
Justin McElroy
I had to hair dry out. Oh, my God. Cooper and the kids were throwing water balloons yesterday. And of course that was the only pair of shoes that she has to wear to school. And they're soaked. And I was like, it's 7:20. We gotta leave in like 10 minutes. I was like, it's okay. I'll hit him with the hairdryer. So I put the hairdryer into this little kid's shoe and I turned it on full blast.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah.
Justin McElroy
And the air that came back at me, it was as though I had opened the Ark of the Covenant and my. The layers of flesh. It couldn't be that a human child plus heat.
Travis McElroy
Not one as adorable as your child.
Griffin McElroy
Any human.
Travis McElroy
You know what I mean? I felt like Agent Smith, like the
Justin McElroy
virus that you people have infected my nostrils.
Travis McElroy
Like I couldn't look at the kid the same. Like, you know what I mean?
Justin McElroy
Like there's something wrong.
Griffin McElroy
It's not her fault that you turned her footwear into a despicable me Minion fart gun. That sucks, dude. That's mean. That's. I don't want that.
Justin McElroy
Charlie came over. I said, charlie. It's the worst thing about her experience. Don't huff this.
Travis McElroy
What'd she do? Huff it?
Justin McElroy
Put her mouth down for a huge snort. And then like, basically blacked out on
Travis McElroy
her bed for five minutes. Blacked out in the face.
Justin McElroy
Nightmare, dude. It was like I held my. It was so bad that I held my breath. And I could feel it hurting my eyes. Like, I could feel it. I sensed it.
Travis McElroy
Joke's out of the spill. Bend up a coat. A wire coat hanger. Put the shoe on it and bend the other side over the dryer door and close it so that they're suspended in the air inside the dryer. And then turn the dryer on.
Justin McElroy
Save yourself Something like that. I used a coat hanger to kind of wedge open the microwave door. And then I put the shoe in there.
Travis McElroy
That's something like that.
Justin McElroy
And I kind of wedged it so the microwave could work open. If you will just, like, rig it the right way so that actually could get the shoe.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah. Pop off the governor and it'll work.
Travis McElroy
And it can just take off the hulk. Like cancer.
Griffin McElroy
So that's Cooper Shoot cancer?
Justin McElroy
You tell me. Travis. This is a glass plate. Whoa. Holy shit.
Griffin McElroy
Justin had a commemorative Utz brand glass plate that he just collapsed. That's crazy. He changed kind of the physical properties of that Glass plate.
Justin McElroy
That's how strong I am.
Griffin McElroy
I think people, everyone's experienced this, and so that's gonna work. To your favorite question asker, if we can return to the if we can return to the question asker for just a moment. I think if you wear the sweatpants to the company retreat, but you carry your messy jeans around with you, you say, hey, guys, just so you know, obviously this is unacceptable. It's not my first choice. I would be wearing these jeans. You hold them up, you say, but they're very wet. Now. You also, on the other hand, have to have the cup of coffee you spilled and say, this is the cup of coffee I spilled. This is not piss. This is not piss pants. I wouldn't show you those. That would be more inappropriate than ever. But as you can see, this was sort of the chain of events. I'm still. Don't look at me different. Just imagine I'm wearing these jeans, but unstained and super dry.
Travis McElroy
Can you doordash pants?
Justin McElroy
Can you doordash pants?
Griffin McElroy
Absolutely. You can doordash pants. You can doordash fucking anything, man. You can definitely doordash pants.
Justin McElroy
I have door dashed pants. I doordashed a belt. That was embarrassing. Couldn't leave the room to go get a belt, could I? Pants falling down.
Travis McElroy
Mm, yeah.
Griffin McElroy
Couldn't find a belt.
Travis McElroy
Trapped.
Justin McElroy
Trapped with no belt. Can't go buy a belt. Pants fall down.
Travis McElroy
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Justin McElroy
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Griffin McElroy
Maybe one of the all time stinkers.
Travis McElroy
You know, I'm out here trying to do my fucking best.
Griffin McElroy
One of the worst.
Justin McElroy
This is that you do it better.
Travis McElroy
You do it better, Kingshit.
Justin McElroy
I will. I will. The idea that my brother would use that as a springboard into asking people to pay him more.
Griffin McElroy
Segue, Travis.
Travis McElroy
It's about awareness.
Justin McElroy
It's about feeling the moment. In this moment, we're bullying you. So I have to build off of that, you see?
Travis McElroy
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Justin McElroy
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Travis McElroy
I know. Truly, I fucking knew it as soon as I did it. Okay. I knew it was wrong.
Griffin McElroy
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Travis McElroy
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Griffin McElroy
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Travis McElroy
I'm Just as God made me, sir,
Justin McElroy
please, please let him do the thing.
Griffin McElroy
Please let me, please let me talk about the thing that is actually the lifeblood of our podcast.
Travis McElroy
Yes, of course.
Griffin McElroy
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Justin McElroy
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Travis McElroy
Yeah, we're the best we've ever.
Griffin McElroy
Oh, God. We're at the height of our fucking performance.
Justin McElroy
We're at the height of our power.
Griffin McElroy
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Justin McElroy
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Travis McElroy
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Justin McElroy
Of bonus content. I mean, hundreds of hours, probably thousands of hours at this point. We talked about the masterclass, the Janet Farney that we did in the past. We've also, besides the Margaritaville we've done, we've riffed videos. We did Pranky Doodle Dandy.
Travis McElroy
I think we did Oops All Bits.
Justin McElroy
We did Oops All Bits. There's a ton of old episodes if you haven't heard them before. Oh, there's the Taz Lords of Crunch, which is our cereal mascot episodes that we did. That was fun.
Griffin McElroy
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Travis McElroy
This year the Tazboko is cousin Verse because Charlie Cooper, Bebe, Dot and Henry collabed to create an adventure that I
Griffin McElroy
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Travis McElroy
Yeah, man, it was wild.
Griffin McElroy
One of the more memorable like hours of my life was recording that if
Justin McElroy
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Griffin McElroy
They're not gonna see it. Don't show these.
Justin McElroy
Don't show anybody. Taz has a duper on board. Keychain.
Griffin McElroy
There's some really strong contenders for your keychain consideration this time.
Justin McElroy
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Travis McElroy
And we should say we have some bonus goals. We do these every year where when we hit certain milestones, we will do these special events. And the first one is I will cover Yellowstone Season 2 on Clubhouse. Taking a real hit.
Justin McElroy
That's a lot of life hours to trade away.
Griffin McElroy
That's so much life hours. That's a lot.
Travis McElroy
I know. Yeah.
Justin McElroy
Although considering what we got at 12k, it's really.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No spoilers. But we really worked. We really worked really hard this time on all kinds of great stuff waiting for you. We've also been able to do a ton more video content this year, and that's because we've been able to hire people. We work with a whole team of folks that we've been able to sort of put together together little giants style into a winning podcasting team. And we are able to do that because of you. Please think about supporting us@maximumfun.org join. We are only doing this for two weeks and I know that there's some people who don't love the drive time, especially our advertisers. I know you probably think these boys won a prestigious podcast advertising award. They must be making payroll just from those. And those don't really keep the lights on.
Travis McElroy
No, we forgot to charge them, which is on. It's basically.
Justin McElroy
Yeah.
Griffin McElroy
Most of the stuff that we're able to do is because of listeners like you. And I really feel like PBS when
Justin McElroy
I say it, actually. Really, if you think about it, the fact that we don't rely on advertising revenue as much and yet still try so hard at it is actually better.
Travis McElroy
This might surprise folks at home. Most advertisers only pay for 60 second spots.
Justin McElroy
Yeah.
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Travis McElroy
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Griffin McElroy
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Justin McElroy
It's a cursed estate, haunted 19th century ritual object. A brush that increases desires. Welcome to the Haunted Toll Watch. This time we're gonna talk about a curse, estate, haunted 19th century ritual object, the brush that increases desires.
Travis McElroy
How both very vague and very specific at the same time.
Justin McElroy
It's so specific, dude. It's a brush that increases desires. That's the whole object. It is amazing. It is real. And I'm gonna tell you all about it right now.
Travis McElroy
I just want to point. They posed this brush for this photo on a mirror that makes it look like a mimic with, like, teeth that
Griffin McElroy
are about to look like a little monster. It's scary.
Travis McElroy
Travis.
Griffin McElroy
Curse.
Justin McElroy
I've got the description in another tab, but I just want to show you. Hey, guys. I increase your desires.
Griffin McElroy
Hey, ladies.
Justin McElroy
Free brush rides over here. That sucks.
Travis McElroy
The boy sucks.
Justin McElroy
That sucks. I do want to show you guys, if I could. I'm not going to go through these, but I do. You need to see how wild this space has gotten. Real.
Griffin McElroy
The similar items.
Justin McElroy
Okay, this is like, I'm keeping. I need you to know how haunted doll. Watch. I am, like, using maximum restraint in this bit by not making our whole podcast about the supernatural world on ebay.
Travis McElroy
Your Baleen Esque filter, Justin, that only keeps the smallest krill in there.
Griffin McElroy
I know, dude. Can I read some of these for the people who are not seeing?
Travis McElroy
Can I have the fourth one there? Griffin, I just want to.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, you can.
Travis McElroy
Thank you.
Griffin McElroy
We got a $100 candle that's a love spell casting obsession spell. Love, magic, ritual, psychic, witchcraft. But I know you're saying fuck, but I'm trying to fuck now. I need something immediate in a panic. And can I interest you in a $80 ultra obsession emergency level spell casting, love ritual, Wicca, pagan, authentic. So this is like if you have
Justin McElroy
a nut emergency, you need to nut.
Griffin McElroy
It's like a. I guess they will cast the spell if you buy it. So it's like an instant cameo.
Travis McElroy
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Griffin McElroy
Like if they were sitting by John Leguizamo's, like, sitting by the phone and it's like, ding. And he's like, oh, fuck, here we go. It's like that. And then we also have a demonist spirit companion, Succubus siren, sex spell.
Justin McElroy
That's a cameo from Richard Schiff for Dwight's birthday.
Griffin McElroy
No fucking way, dude.
Justin McElroy
Nine minutes long. You're kidding me. Schiff Just watching the Olympics. Bullshitting. Unbelievable quality on the Richard Schiff cameo.
Travis McElroy
If you want to get a Richard Schiff cameo, highly recommend.
Justin McElroy
It was just Richard Schiff bullshitting about the Olympics for nine minutes. It was fucking fantastic.
Travis McElroy
I got Sydney at Dulay Hill one once and he record five minutes. Just talking about stories of his time on West Wing.
Justin McElroy
His time to his firing for her candidacy is unbelievable. Unbelievable hit rate with the West Wing cameos.
Travis McElroy
Anyway, sorry, the fourth item here. Become a real vampire. Ritual, spell casting, immortality, strength, $40. But then above it it says almost gone.
Justin McElroy
Almost gone. They only got one left.
Travis McElroy
What is that for spells?
Justin McElroy
Strength, dominant power.
Griffin McElroy
Every vampire can only sire 11 other vampires. Well, actually the number of vampires you can sire depends on your sort of like potency, which is. Ain't that just the way of things?
Travis McElroy
So this brush is $120 or as low as $40.94 a month with Klarna. Thanks Klarna, for helping me make good financial decisions.
Justin McElroy
I am sad to report that some of the haunted doll space has been overrun by AI So I have to work a little bit harder to find the descriptions that have the real heart and soul to it. So a lot of those that you're seeing with like it's a spell, I don't care. You know, somebody's generating whatever. So I gotta, I gotta find the
Griffin McElroy
real shit AI can't change.
Justin McElroy
Such as a brush that increases desires. Collectors understand containment, controlled environments, minimal handling emotional distance. Objects like this.
Travis McElroy
Is this by their ex wife?
Justin McElroy
Hey, Travis. No. It's obviously in much the same way that you might look at a toaster and you see on the back it says, small metal makes bran hard and hot.
Travis McElroy
Right?
Justin McElroy
Item description. This is the item description of the brush that increases desires.
Griffin McElroy
But the description is all like too powerful. So toasters don't say like get so hot. So, so, so, so hot. You must understand. Do not fuck around with this toaster.
Travis McElroy
Owners understand one thing. Burning bridges. Distancing themselves from anyone who's ever cared about them.
Griffin McElroy
Emotional numbness.
Justin McElroy
Collectors understand containment, controlled environments, minimal handling emotional distance. Objects like this don't awaken in new spaces. They remain inert until the moment they cross from custody into ownership. The transition is not symbolic, it's cognitive.
Travis McElroy
What? Shit, how is that different?
Griffin McElroy
I didn't even think about that.
Justin McElroy
Dude, this 19th century brush was Never meant for casual use.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, man. Even back when it was a brush. Even back when it was a brush, you were really stuck. Even back when it was just a brush.
Justin McElroy
Just a simple brush is. Children, are you playing with Papa's brushes again?
Travis McElroy
Not for Mantos.
Justin McElroy
No.
Travis McElroy
Man's business brush.
Justin McElroy
Business brush.
Travis McElroy
He has important meetings tomorrow with the governor. Justin, that previous statement, just to jump back real quick, is that a verbose way of saying, no, I can't demonstrate it to you right now. It doesn't work till you buy it.
Justin McElroy
Yeah, dude. You literally listen. Objects handled close to the body repeatedly and privately accumulate associations. We've. This is just science.
Travis McElroy
So every dildo's haunted?
Justin McElroy
Every dildo is haunted.
Griffin McElroy
Why did me and Justin both.
Justin McElroy
Dildo that increases desire. That would be a better. Dildo that increases desire would be better.
Travis McElroy
That's normal. It would be weird to have a dildo that decreases desire. They're like, you know, on second thought,
Griffin McElroy
over time, this cube shaped Minecraft dildo is decreasing.
Travis McElroy
Why did I buy the creeper?
Griffin McElroy
Why'd I buy the get out of there. Creepers?
Justin McElroy
Over time, this one absorbed what people brought to it. Memory, mood, unresolved thought, life of quiet use layered. Grief over longing, regret over hope. Nothing malignant, just incomplete. When it left the collector, the brush didn't change. I did.
Griffin McElroy
Awesome.
Justin McElroy
I was open in a way the previous owner never allowed themselves to be. The brush didn't add anything to my life. Wait, it accelerated what was already present?
Travis McElroy
Fuck, yeah.
Justin McElroy
Questions I'd postpone. Emotions I'd learned to bypass efficiently. It shortened the distance between thought and feeling. That is what it offers.
Travis McElroy
This is the best TED talk I've ever been to. This is what the brush can bring to your life today.
Griffin McElroy
I mean, bupropion is covered under my insurance, but it feels like I could probably cut that out. You're wasting your time.
Travis McElroy
Yeah. You could use your HSA to buy this brush.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah. The brush that increased desires.
Justin McElroy
The brush that increases desires.
Travis McElroy
How is it with executive function? Does it help with the executive function?
Justin McElroy
The brush doesn't add to your executive function, Trev. It takes what was already there and executes it more. Do you understand? It shortens the link. The symbiotic link between executive and function. It makes it shorter. That's one word.
Griffin McElroy
I do also take something that makes it so the anxious thoughts have a harder time going from, let's call it the idea factory to the movie screen for the silent witness inside.
Justin McElroy
Slow down a little bit.
Griffin McElroy
Is this gonna accelerate that? Cause I'm not so wild about that.
Travis McElroy
Griffin, do you understand that human beings only use 10% of their hairbrush, right?
Griffin McElroy
Yeah. Yeah.
Travis McElroy
The average human being only uses this brush. 100% of the hairbrush is used. This looks straight into your brain. When you put it on your head, it goes through the skull into the brain.
Griffin McElroy
Okay. That would change you. I guess I'm just now kind of looking at this cursed estate, haunted 19th century ritual object brush that increases desires. And just so that I really hadn't paid much attention to the layout of the bristles on here. And this does look like a brush for horses. This does look like a brush for horses. A horse's brush. It has a push broom like consistency to the bristle.
Justin McElroy
It does. It's very, very beautiful. I do feel like I should buy the brush that increases desire because I've said it so many times that I'm desiring it now.
Griffin McElroy
Anyway, you do need to be careful. Cause if you buy this, you will start buying more stuff. Your desire will be so increased.
Justin McElroy
This is okay. Once the brush enters your space, certain effects are common. Now the first one it says is smoother hair, which I don't think you
Travis McElroy
get any points for that.
Justin McElroy
That's just regular brush stuff.
Travis McElroy
Wait, so it's supposed to be used for casual use?
Justin McElroy
No, you would never. You said no, I made that one up. Once the brush enters your space, certain effects are common. Thoughts feel fully formed, as if they arrive without preamble.
Travis McElroy
Like the thought, shit, I wasted $120 on this brush.
Griffin McElroy
Oh, no.
Travis McElroy
Memories. How do I tell my wife that I bought $120?
Griffin McElroy
I told Deborah I was pressed. I told Deborah I never would do it again. Shit, she's going to know.
Justin McElroy
Memories surface without clear triggers. Can I remember the last time I
Travis McElroy
bought a curse brush?
Justin McElroy
Can I vote no on that one? Can I just not have that one? I'd rather not experience that. I got a good. Like, I got a pretty good ladle of memory surfacing without clear triggers.
Travis McElroy
Thank you. Yeah. Emotional timing to forget a lot of shit.
Justin McElroy
This was good. This is my favorite. Emotional timing slips and you react faster or later than expected.
Travis McElroy
But not accurately. That's the thing.
Justin McElroy
Not accurately. You will be way more angry or way more sad than the situation demands.
Travis McElroy
Faster or slower. So something will happen and you'll react before it or 10 minutes later, but not right when it happens.
Justin McElroy
If you ever see me say, oh, God, the plate. Just like, pay attention.
Travis McElroy
Start watching. Somebody's about to drop a.
Justin McElroy
Start watching for plates.
Griffin McElroy
You're out at fazoli's with your family and you just. And I was.
Travis McElroy
What?
Griffin McElroy
You're like, hold on, let me think.
Justin McElroy
Shit.
Griffin McElroy
I did stub my toe earlier today, but this feels excessive for that.
Justin McElroy
Lastly, reflective surfaces become difficult to ignore.
Griffin McElroy
That's so awesome.
Justin McElroy
None of this is dramatic. That's the problem. The brush. The brush speeds up recognition faster than the mind prefers. Like noticing too much at once without the buffer of narrative.
Travis McElroy
What?
Justin McElroy
Antique grooming tools are intimate by design. They're handled close to the face. Used repetitively associated with preparation and self presentation. They sit at the threshold between private thought and public appearance. So a new.
Travis McElroy
This person needs to write a fucking book. Get off of ebay and write a book, my friend. I want to read it so bad.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah.
Justin McElroy
Yeah, I want to.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, I want more. Extremely sort of Jungian, sort of philosophical haunted doll watches. I'm really excited about this. This new horizon.
Justin McElroy
I have been letting this person dictate the pace of my delivery with their paragraph breaks, and I'm no longer going to do that. Okay, guys, so if you want to stop me, from this point on, you're going to need two hands. Okay?
Griffin McElroy
All right. Hit it.
Justin McElroy
A new owner inevitably does three things. It pays attention to the object, assigns its significance and incorporates it into routine. From there, cognition takes over. Repetition plus emotional load gives any object psychological gravity. Attention is what fuel using the brush during emotional stress. Treating it as meaningful or exceptional, keeping it near fragile or valued items, attributing outcomes to it. These behaviors create feedback loops, language, like it wants.
Travis McElroy
It's also how you take care of a gigapet.
Justin McElroy
Yeah, it reacts. It externalizes internal states, making them feel source elsewhere. The object doesn't act. The meaning remains active.
Travis McElroy
Uh huh.
Griffin McElroy
Shit, dude.
Justin McElroy
Brush favors continuity. The brush favors continuity. It has outlasted many owners who believe possession implied control. What it actually relies on is love. Consistency. Over decades, it has absorbed not vanity, but fracture. Unresolved decisions, stalled conversation, alternate versions of people that never fully emerged. These don't disappear. They compress. The brush becomes dense with unused cells.
Travis McElroy
What?
Griffin McElroy
Fucking everywhere, man.
Travis McElroy
Everything. Everywhere. All at brush.
Justin McElroy
It's the brush that.
Griffin McElroy
It's the hauling brush. We love this brush.
Justin McElroy
First night with a new owner, always an adjustment. The mind maps it into the environment.
Travis McElroy
Don't let the brush sleep in your bed. It's gonna want to go. Let the brush anywhere near your house, it's never gonna sleep in your bed.
Griffin McElroy
Give a brush a cookie.
Justin McElroy
If you have a pool house like Ryan had in the oc, that would be actually better.
Travis McElroy
That would Be ideal. And then it can have its own space, which is nice.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah.
Justin McElroy
There might be a heightened sense of presence. Not because anything is watching, but because the owner is. What subtle behaviors become noticeable delays before responding.
Griffin McElroy
Okay.
Justin McElroy
Tonal shifts mid sentence. Pauses before mirrors.
Travis McElroy
Because you can't ignore. Can't stop looking.
Justin McElroy
You can't ignore the reflective.
Travis McElroy
Do I own this brush?
Justin McElroy
The brush functions like a prompt the brain can't control.
Travis McElroy
Uh huh. It's adhd.
Justin McElroy
Okay.
Travis McElroy
What they're describing, I'm realizing now it
Griffin McElroy
is the ADHD brush. Brush that gives you adhd.
Travis McElroy
You're going to speak. Speak before you think. You're gonna become distracted by reflective surfaces. You're gonna react to things maybe long after they happen. You're gonna have a big emotional response to little things. You're gonna maybe forget what you were doing in the middle of it.
Griffin McElroy
You're gonna play like 6000 hours of Stardew Valley. And this is the brush that makes
Travis McElroy
you dishwasher, but you're gonna end power washing the sidewalk.
Justin McElroy
The most frequently heard phrase you're gonna hear in your day to day life is now. Wait, is this a dream you had or a supernatural episode?
Griffin McElroy
Don't give him ideas for games, Justin. You'll throw off the rhythm of these bits. It's been so long since we've done a haunted doll watch on the show. I do just want to make space for the observation that the apologetics game has gotten so much stronger. Cause it just used to be that they would say, here's a haunted doll. If it doesn't move for you, then sometimes spirits are shy. Just keep waiting. And in this one, it's like there is no magic, there is no spirit, there is no God. It's inside the mind, and that is the God. The gods inside your mind. And cognition is. Attention is essential for these dolls in your mind eye.
Justin McElroy
Another way of putting that Griffin is old conversations will replay not as regret, but as unfinished business. Memories resurface not for nostalgia, but for correction. You may feel a low level urge to reach out, clarify, amend, resolve things no one else remembers clearly anymore. This is not conflict creation. It's continuity restoration.
Travis McElroy
Is this brush being sold by the narrator from Stanley Parable?
Justin McElroy
This brush is not being sold because I have purchased it, but I understand the question. At night there can be a bodily
Griffin McElroy
sensation, a pressure member@maximumfund.com I promise we're using our money in essential ways for the.
Justin McElroy
No.
Travis McElroy
You know what I am going to do. You know what I'm gonna do?
Justin McElroy
I'm Gonna raffle it off. Someone will be the lucky recipient of the brush that increases desire or on the line. I have ordered it. I've bought it.
Travis McElroy
Hey, hey, hey.
Justin McElroy
I can't. I can't talk long. Sorry. I'm on the road or the run. I'm on the road or the run, however you want to say it. But the brush arrived, and I just wanted to say super quick update on this. Cancel this. I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna keep the brush. I think it's better if I have it, and I don't think anybody else should have it. Now that I have the brush and see it, I feel like it's better for I. I will keep it. I can't even read the listing anymore.
Travis McElroy
I fucked it.
Justin McElroy
I cannot believe. Guys, just let me power through the rest of this. I'm almost done. I promise.
Griffin McElroy
You're kidding me.
Justin McElroy
I promise. Relationships may feel heavier. Conversations run longer. Silence gains texture. Some people lean in, mistaking the weight for depth. Others withdraw, unsettled by how much feels unfinished. Some people can't fucking handle the brush, guys.
Travis McElroy
Yeah.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah.
Justin McElroy
Some people may be like, wait, is this a brush conversation? Or is this a regular conversation? Is this shit?
Griffin McElroy
Mark, listen, I'm. I love you and I'm excited about this new chapter in your life, but, like, you need to give me a heads up if it's a brush talk or not, because brush talks are exhaust. I don't have brush. You are the only one with the brush. So, like, I'm off kilter. There's not. There's an imbalance here. Whenever we have a brush, is there
Travis McElroy
a signal you can give me when a pause is a normal pause and when it's a brush pause, please. Yeah, something just, like, hold one finger up if it's a normal pause, two fingers up if it's a brush pause.
Justin McElroy
The brush benefits from relational strain because strain generates reflection.
Travis McElroy
Wow. And you can't ignore reflection. We've established that you can't.
Justin McElroy
It's settled.
Griffin McElroy
Reflection is strain leaving the body.
Justin McElroy
The brush encourages repeated use.
Travis McElroy
Baby, it's not me. I didn't want to cheat on you. Brush wanted me to cheat on you.
Griffin McElroy
Brush needed this for us.
Travis McElroy
Do you understand, baby?
Justin McElroy
Brush wants us to grow. Babe, it's not.
Travis McElroy
I love brush. There, I said it.
Justin McElroy
The brush encourages repeated use. Not for grooming, for alignment.
Travis McElroy
You shouldn't use this old ass brush. It's probably gross.
Griffin McElroy
Use this old ass brush. But it wants you to use it as, like, a foam roller.
Justin McElroy
It sounds like owners Report an impulse to brush slowly, deliberately, while thinking of different versions of themselves. The one who stayed, the one who left, the one who almost spoke, the one who learned to manage instead of confessing. The act becomes a sort of sorting behavior, a rehearsal of cohesion. Once those versions begin to feel adjacent instead of contradictory, resistance decreases. That's the inflection point.
Travis McElroy
Oh, wait, there's a little bit of smudge here. I see it. It actually says, the brush that increases depression.
Griffin McElroy
That's crazy.
Justin McElroy
Continuity requires participation. Without it, the object loses specificity. Details blur. The weight feels wrong in the hand. Objects like this are rarely discarded. Not because they're dangerous, but because they feel unfinished.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah.
Justin McElroy
They wait until someone needs integration badly enough to tolerate discomfort. The brush reflects a simple truth humans often avoid. Everyone fractures. Eventually, someone decides coherence matters more than comfort, and they accept the cost.
Travis McElroy
I've never.
Justin McElroy
This is.
Travis McElroy
Is a manosphere influencer selling a haunted brush on ebay.
Griffin McElroy
This seems awfully. I'll be honest, a little brainy Trav. For the. For that particular sphere.
Travis McElroy
Let the brush break you down so it can build you back up better than ever.
Justin McElroy
I want to say one thing to you guys. This person is. Okay, can you just hear me out for a second? Yeah, yeah, yeah, please. Now that we've gotten to the end of the listing for cursed estate object, 19th century ritual object. The brush that increases desires.
Travis McElroy
Yeah.
Justin McElroy
A Justin McElroy possession.
Travis McElroy
That's what people start thinking of. Based on the novel Push My Sapphire. A Justin McRoy investment, please.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah, please.
Justin McElroy
You know, that person spent a lot of. Maybe like, that listing was, like, way better than it needed to be at all.
Travis McElroy
Right? Sure.
Justin McElroy
It was, like, really good. And I think it stands to reason that the only kind of way you could justify spending that much time writing a dope listing for your ebay brush is that maybe that's really easy for you to do now because the brush that you've been using. You know what I'm saying? Like, maybe the listing is proof. The proof is in the listing that this is functioning as intended.
Travis McElroy
Yeah.
Griffin McElroy
So why are they getting rid of it?
Travis McElroy
Because they're dying.
Justin McElroy
They're tired of being insufferable, Probably.
Griffin McElroy
Yeah.
Justin McElroy
You know what I mean?
Travis McElroy
Like, it sounds like I'm go back to being stupid.
Justin McElroy
This sucks.
Griffin McElroy
This sucks. My thoughts are too fast. Shoot.
Justin McElroy
I'll tell you more updates as they become available. It will temporarily be adjusted macro reposition until some lucky person takes it home and increases their desires. No, again. Again. The brushes is ours. The brushes is ours. And it's staying right there.
Travis McElroy
Hey, so I want to do a sincere moment here. We have been doing this, as Griffin said, for 15 years. Started in 2010. So this is our 15th drive. Our lives have been very much shaped and improved by being on Max Fun and from your support. And we have really worked to kind of live up to that, adding new things, trying to keep in mind what our supporters would like us to do and that kind of thing. Because I think it's a very symbiotic relationship. And we've been doing more streams, we've been posting video clips from the shows, trying to be more active in everything that we do because it means a lot to us and it means a lot to you. And every year when we do Max Fund Drive, it's the thing that I think we all kind of very buoyed by. I would say now Justin's clicked on the succubus. Stop it.
Intro Singer / Chorus
Justin.
Travis McElroy
Justin. I'm trying to be sincere.
Griffin McElroy
He's trying to be sincere. And you're ogling at the vampire sex spell. Get that out of my screen juice.
Justin McElroy
We don't need. We don't need them, guys.
Travis McElroy
We don't need them.
Justin McElroy
For $299 you can make a demonic pact with Lucifer. We're wasting our time with the listeners.
Travis McElroy
The brush is already acting on Justin.
Griffin McElroy
Maximumfund.org join we need at least $300 to make a pact with Lucifer. 3:50.
Justin McElroy
There's a 12 month protection spell. I need guys to protect. We finish.
Travis McElroy
Okay, then it's gotta be 650. So we make the deal with Lucifer and get a protection spell to cancel out the deal we made with Lucifer.
Griffin McElroy
Okay, so we need at least $650. Maximumfun.org join you can help get us over our goal. 650. $50. You might be the one we need. Close that window, Justin. There's too many erotic things and I don't want. Thank you so much.
Travis McElroy
You're welcome. There's lots of great stuff there. Lots of rewards. $5. $10. $20. We mentioned the hundreds of hours of bonus content for just $5 a month. $10 a month. The enamel keychains, $20 a month. You get all that stuff. Plus a good clean fun toiletry bag or embroidered rocket visor. $35 a month. Insulated stainless steel water bottle. All kinds of stuff. $50, $100, $200 all the way up. You can check them all out.
Justin McElroy
You're just saying large amounts of money.
Griffin McElroy
$650,600.
Travis McElroy
I'm bringing it up because the other thing that you can do if you are already a member is to consider upping your donation to the next level or boosting slightly between levels if you're not ready to move up to the next level. Every bit of support helps and matters to us. Whether you become a $5 a month donor or $200 a month donor, it all matters. All of it adds up. So if you've been a member for a while and you want to up your membership, maybe you've been listening to more shows on MaxFund this year than you were previously and you want to reflect that in your membership, you can upgrade or boost by also going to maximumfun.org join. That's also where you can see all the reward levels, all of the membership levels, everything that you can do to support the shows.
Justin McElroy
Get the brush set. Increase his desire. No, no. Foolish boy. The brushes is ours. Remember the brushes are ours. It's staying right here though. And at 3,000 new and upgrading donors, Travis is going to do that. Yellowstone Season 2 Summary on Clubhouse and
Travis McElroy
I watch the death Count. Travis.
Justin McElroy
Yeah yeah.
Griffin McElroy
This network is unlike any other entertainment property that exists in the world. Yes, we've been doing this a long time and we've seen how lots of other places do it and I would not want to be anywhere else. Maximum Fun has a truly one of a kind community. It is co op, it is employee owned, it's special in so many ways and if you like this show then you can keep it going and help us just keep doing our thing, keep making more stuff for you. Cause that's sort of the Max fund model and when you support it you're saying that that way of doing things is good and I would firmly agree with that. And the drive, please think about helping us out.
Travis McElroy
The drive only goes two weeks so if you are thinking about doing it, if you're ready to do it, go do it now. Maximumfund.org join don't wait because then you'll forget and you'll miss out on your chance to be part of all the energy and the rewards. The rewards are the best buyers.
Griffin McElroy
Go to maximumfund.org join now before you forget, choose whatever level works for you within your budget. Five bucks a month ain't a ton of cash. It's price of a cup of coffee. Maybe in this economy, in the world, but in this economy, I mean I will say it's about a gallon of gas. So that's fucking wild. Thank you all so so so much.
Justin McElroy
Donate now does anybody want to throw something?
Travis McElroy
I do want to throw something. I also wanted to mention and it's a weird sync up with also doing Max One Drive, but I'm going to be at the no theater this Friday. We're doing a fundraiser for the no. It's a Casino Night. I'm going to be there dealing blackjack and hosting a live auction which includes a Champions Grove attendance package as one of the auction items. If you go to notheater.com, you can get the tickets for Casino Night here in Cincinnati. Come hang out with me. Support a great theater. It's gonna be super fun. And I organized the whole fundraiser so I'd really appreciate you coming to show them that I did a good job. I have my ADH detective pipe that I could throw. I got a Yoshi.
Griffin McElroy
I got Yoshi.
Travis McElroy
What if we did simultaneous throws? No, no.
Griffin McElroy
I think it's a two parties bring a throwable and the other party has to.
Justin McElroy
I want Griffin to throw the Yoshi just cause I'm worri about Travis breaking his pipe.
Travis McElroy
That's fair.
Justin McElroy
Will break.
Griffin McElroy
Okay.
Travis McElroy
BRB.
Griffin McElroy
3, 2, 1.
Travis McElroy
Yoshi made pretty good noise.
Justin McElroy
It's a really good noise.
Travis McElroy
That was a really good noise. Yoshi made a great noise. Griffin, did it get in frame?
Griffin McElroy
Did I get it in frame?
Travis McElroy
Yeah, you nailed it. That was great.
Griffin McElroy
The little mountain behind me really helps. Is like a good targeting.
Travis McElroy
Huge targeting. My name is Justin McElroy. I'm Travis McElroy.
Griffin McElroy
I'm Griffin McElroy.
Justin McElroy
This has been my brother. My brother.
Griffin McElroy
Man.
Justin McElroy
Kiss your dad.
Griffin McElroy
Dad.
Justin McElroy
Square on the lips.
Intro Singer / Chorus
It's better. It's better with you. It's better. It's better with you. Is it true? It's better. It's better with two. It's better with you.
Justin McElroy
Maximum fun.
Griffin McElroy
A worker owned network of artist owned shows supported directly by you.
Justin McElroy
Now, now again, you buffoon. It's ours. The brush is ours. And it's not leaving here.
This episode of MBMBaM, titled “Shirtpants! Shirtpants!”, coincides with the annual Maximum Fun Drive fundraising event. The McElroy brothers blend their hallmark comedy advice with heavy doses of riffing about clothing mishaps, TV show absurdities, haunted Ebay listings, and the promotional chaos of pledge season. Largely improvised and self-referential, the episode highlights their unique sibling dynamic, love of tangents, and devotion to their fan-supported podcasting model.
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This episode is a perfect encapsulation of MBMBaM—bridging absurd humor, inside jokes, pop culture nerdery, and a heartfelt connection with their audience. If you enjoy deliriously funny sibling chaos with occasional moments of sincerity, you’ll find it here.