MFM Minisode 435

Summary

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark Episode: MFM Minisode 435
Release Date: May 12, 2025

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Introduction

In MFM Minisode 435, hosts Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark continue their tradition of sharing gripping true crime stories intertwined with their signature humor. This episode features a variety of listener-submitted tales, ranging from harrowing encounters with law enforcement to eerie connections with notorious criminals. The duo delves into each story with insightful commentary, memorable quotes, and engaging narratives that captivate both longtime fans and newcomers alike.

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Story 1: My Kara Not Legacy Story

Georgia Hardstark opens the episode by discussing a listener-submitted story titled "My Kara Not Legacy Story." She reflects on the challenges women face in the legal system, particularly regarding traffic stops and felony charges for minor infractions.

• Key Discussion Points:

  • Gender Bias in Law Enforcement: Georgia highlights how women are disproportionately charged for minor traffic violations, especially when pulled over alone at night.
  • Case of Kara Knott: The story revolves around Kara Knott, whose tragic murder by a police officer underscores systemic issues within the legal system.
  • Personal Experiences: Georgia shares her own experiences as a prosecutor dealing with similar cases, emphasizing the need for change.

• Notable Quotes:

  • [02:00] Georgia: “Every time one of these cases hits my desk, I have the same reaction. Dismissal.”
  • [03:16] Georgia: “I recounted the story of Kara Knott and how her murderer was in fact a cop. [...]”

Karen Kilgariff supports Georgia's points by sharing her frustration with the "good old boys club" mentality prevalent in law enforcement, further highlighting the systemic challenges women face.

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Story 2: Erica’s Encounter with Robert Durst

The next story comes from Erica, who recounts Karen's unsettling experience working as a mall Santa during her teenage years. Unbeknownst to her at the time, she was employed alongside none other than the infamous serial killer, Robert Durst.

• Key Discussion Points:

  • Unwitting Association with a Serial Killer: Karen narrates how she unknowingly worked with Durst, creating an eerie connection between her innocent job and his dark past.
  • Realization and Impact: Upon recognizing Durst on the news years later, Karen reflects on how her initial gut feeling about her job was justified.
  • Emotional Aftermath: The story underscores the lasting psychological impact of such an encounter.

• Notable Quotes:

  • [06:21] Karen: “I can't believe I was all alone with him and shook his hand. [...]”
  • [07:37] Georgia: “That is wild.”

Karen expresses a mix of disbelief and chilling realization upon learning about Durst's true nature, highlighting the unpredictability of encountering someone with a hidden dark side.

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Story 3: Kelsey’s Third-Grade Pool Party

Kelsey shares a disturbing tale from her childhood, revealing that her first-grade best friend, Justin, later became a convicted double murderer.

• Key Discussion Points:

  • Early Crush and Friendship: Kelsey reminisces about her third-grade pool party where she navigated early romantic interests with classmates Austin and Justin.
  • Unexpected Crime: Years later, Justin's arrest for double homicide shocks Kelsey, turning a nostalgic memory into a haunting reality.
  • Reflection on Red Flags: The story serves as a testament to the presence of troubling behaviors even in young children.

• Notable Quotes:

  • [12:11] Georgia: “Yeah.”
  • [13:49] Karen: “Oh, no.”

Kelsey’s narrative blends innocence with horror, illustrating how individuals can harbor dark tendencies from a very young age.

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Story 4: Spanish Listener’s Bear Murder Leading to Drug Bust

A listener from Spain submits a unique case involving the death of a brown bear named Cachou, which led to a significant drug trafficking investigation.

• Key Discussion Points:

  • Initial Assumptions: Cachou was first thought to have died fighting another animal, but further investigation revealed antifreeze poisoning.
  • Discovery of a Drug Ring: The bear’s death led authorities to uncover a cocaine trafficking operation, resulting in multiple arrests, including a local mayor.
  • Symbolism and Aftermath: The bear's death inadvertently became pivotal in dismantling a major criminal network.

• Notable Quotes:

  • [22:19] Georgia: “Cachou.”
  • [23:33] Georgia: “A forest ranger and former local government official were arrested for his murder back in November.”

This story blends environmental crime with the unraveling of a larger drug operation, showcasing the unexpected ways in which one tragedy can lead to the exposure of widespread criminal activity.

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Story 5: Sadie’s Steve O Airport Encounter

Sadie shares a lighter, yet still intriguing, story about her encounter with comedian Steve O and his dog, Wendy, at the Burbank Airport.

• Key Discussion Points:

  • Celebrity Sightings: Sadie describes the unexpectedness of seeing Steve O in a mundane setting like an airport.
  • Heartwarming Interaction: The story emphasizes the charm of celebrities having relatable moments, humanizing public figures.
  • Connection Through Pets: Wendy, Steve O’s dog, plays a central role in making the encounter memorable and endearing.

• Notable Quotes:

  • [25:53] Karen: “He looked so happy and healthy, and it genuinely warmed my heart.”
  • [27:23] Georgia: “Sadie. Good one, girl.”

This anecdote provides a refreshing change from the more intense stories, highlighting the hosts’ ability to balance dark content with moments of warmth and humor.

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Conclusion

Throughout MFM Minisode 435, Karen and Georgia expertly navigate a spectrum of true crime stories, each bringing unique perspectives and emotional depth. From systemic issues within law enforcement to chilling personal encounters and unexpected criminal revelations, the episode underscores the intricacies of human behavior and the far-reaching impacts of crime. Their engaging storytelling, combined with poignant reflections and humor, makes this minisode a compelling listen for anyone interested in true crime narratives.

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Notable Moments:

• Dismissal of Gender-Biased Cases: [02:00] Georgia emphasizes her commitment to dismissing unfair felony charges against women.
• Encounter with Robert Durst: [06:21] Karen reveals her past unwitting interaction with the notorious serial killer.
• Justin’s Dark Turn: [13:49] Kelsey’s realization about her childhood friend’s heinous crimes.
• Cachou’s Tragic Death: [22:19] The Spanish bear’s story leading to a major drug bust.
• Steve O’s Airport Appearance: [25:35] Sadie’s heartwarming celebrity encounter.

Listeners are reminded to stay safe, stay informed, and continue sharing their stories with the show, further enriching the community of fellow "Murderinos."

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This summary excludes advertisement segments and non-content sections to focus solely on the compelling true crime narratives presented in this episode.

Transcript

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is exactly right. Hello, and welcome to my favorite, Murder the Minisode.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We read you any kind of story you send us.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You should see the shit we're looking at.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my. My God. You should see the shit we don't use.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You should see the stories that go on for four pages about your grandma's clam chowder.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Make it three pages and we'll read it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's all we ask.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You want to go first?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Sure. Okay. This one's called My Kara Not Legacy Story. Ahoy hoy to the lovely people of the Fuckword Murder Mystery Show.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hey.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Longtime listener, longtime writer. Eventually one of these will make it onto the show. Could this be the one? Let's find out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's happening. Guess what?

[Georgia Hardstark]

When I was listening to episode 474, it cleans ducks. I was so struck by Georgia's telling of the story of the tragic murder of Kara Knott and the lasting legacy her family worked to protect. Then I realized that her lasting legacy goes far beyond the memorial garden her father put so much work into. Remember the story where she was parked at the. It was the cop.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. In San Diego.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

El Cajon.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. I'm a local prosecutor, and despite gains made by women in the legal field, it's still a bit of a good old boys club.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, that's. That's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's everywhere.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's getting worse.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I cannot tell you how many cases I've been assigned to either file or prosecute that are sent in by male officers or filed by male colleagues where a woman is charged with resisting law enforcement in a vehicle, which is a felony. Here, the facts are always somewhat similar. Late at night, a solo female driver driving a little bit extra after the lights and sirens are activated to get to a gas station or other well lit place.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Than a completely compliant woman. And yet that extra tenth of a mile means this goes from a ticket for a broken tail light to a felony case. Every time one of these cases hits my desk, I have the same reaction. Dismissal. When I finally dismissed, quote, too many of these cases, my supervisor and a very angry male cop sat me down and asked why I kept doing this. I explained that as women learning how to drive, we are frequently taught never to pull over on a dark road when we are alone. They scoffed and said that was preposterous. Women were safe to pull over anywhere.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Would you like to listen to our podcast or any of the other millions of true crime podcasts?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Filled with stories.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No way. Women to do nothing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It is a fantasy men have that women live the same lives as men.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. And that just because they're not that kind of guy, there aren't any of that kind of guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sir.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So. Sir.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sir, sit down.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I recounted the story of Kara Knott and how her murderer was in fact a cop. You could tell it was a story they had never heard of before and was something that surprised them. I told them I had zero plans of changing my approach to these cases, but maybe they should change theirs. Then I got up and walked out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I've seen very few cases like this since and I'd like to think I taught that smug cop a lesson. Stay sexy and don't pull over until you are in a well lit place. But maybe put your hazards on Hannah. She her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So the idea that it's a felony is very good information. Cause that's like the time I told the story of like the cops tried to pull me over when I was trying to get my drunk friend from a wedding. And it was like the hotel was right there and I'm like I just gotta get her to the front door. And they lost their minds. But I mean the idea that we don't know that we're playing with fire to keep ourselves safe or to keep somebody else safe, where it's like why in God's name would that be a felony?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's the problem?

[Georgia Hardstark]

They pulled over at the next exit. That's what you're supposed to do. That's what we were all taught to do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, but also why wouldn't cops get trained that like if it's a woman driving, pull her over at a gas station, like escort her to the place where there are people in lights. What's the problem?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well that's what Hannah is trying to fucking teach everyone and she's doing the Lord's work.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Good job Hannah. Yeah, well, interestingly my first email is from a story I covered. Oh, and the subject line is I worked with Bruce MacArthur from episode 475. Hi Georgia, Karen and everyone else. I am from a suburb of Toronto, Scarborough and I've had my fair share of. Oh, Paul Bernardo lived in my parents neighborhood or my sister was friends with the Happy Face Killer's son stories and then in parentheses. Both true. But when I saw what Karen in episode 475 I knew exactly what I needed to write in. When I was a preteen I was offered a job that paid cash and that allowed me to bring a friend to work with me. It was a no brainer. My Friend and I took this job as Santa's elves for one of those pictures with Santa setups in a mall.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was one of those malls that was one step ahead of a strip mall, but one step below a cool mall hangout spot. I'm talking a Walmart, a cell phone prom dress store.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh God, that's the Burbank Mall.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, it is, isn' Yep. Where there's like I've never heard of that chain of stores before.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where's that from?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow, those are shiny shoes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The country of Georgia. Okay, that's cool. Nail salon. Bunch of places with for rent signs up. This Santa photo area was also less than ideal. We took the pictures with a disposable camera and yes, I, a 13 year old, took the pics. Oh God, this is very low rent.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And we took the film to develop at Walmart's one hour photo lounge.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God. Brb. I'm gonna go develop these pics now.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I kind of love the hustle of where it's just like, ugh, by any means necessary. Every day we would go up to the mall management office to get into our elf clothes and Santa would be sitting there waiting for showtime in his white tank top and Santa pants. Super gross. Bad Santa vibes. He was a nice enough guy, but after a few weeks of working with him, I could not shake the creepy feeling. It got to the point that I didn't come in to pick up my last paycheck at the end of Christmas season.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's huge for a kid.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, it is. Fast forward to 2017. I'm watching the news with my parents and I hear that finally someone was arrested in relation to the missing persons that Toronto police completely gaslit the city about. But that's another story in the Village. Imagine my heart dropping and the blood draining from my face when the face of Bruce MacArthur is plastered across the TV screen. Jesus. All I could say was, holy shit, Santa.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh God. That's so chilling.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I had no idea that my gut all those years before had been right and this pie was a serial killer. I want to acknowledge that while I use this story as my what was your worst job? Icebreaker answer, Innocent and beautiful lives were lost. Skanda Navaratnam, Bazir Faizi, Majid Khayyan, Sarosh Mahmoudy, Karishna Kumar, Khanna Garatnam, Dean Lisowic, Saleem Essen and Andrew Kinsman. Thank you both for all you do for allyship, mental health and generally making my commutes more enjoyable. Stay sexy and don't take a job as an elf when you are far too young to get paid legally. Hailey, she. Her. Wow. She worked with a serial killer.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That is wild.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Also that thing of like. I think the reason I enjoy stories like that of like, and then I saw the face is because it proves your gut is right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Absolutely.

[Karen Kilgariff]

If you get a weird bad feeling, go get some frozen yogurt, get out of the place you're in.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, don't you just wonder though, how many of those there are that you never find out that your gut was right? You know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They either never got caught or you just miss the story or they just. They don't do anything that's like newsworthy, but you're totally right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or you get gaslit and a bunch of people tell you you're just a bitch. Where it's just like, well, okay then I guess I have to be okay with that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because. Because I gotta go. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because this isn't right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Hey, Karen. I want you to picture yourself going for a drive. What comes to mind?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Not ever being able to merge on any freeway in Los Angeles. And potholes. And crying.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

That's H Y U N d a I usa.com or call 562-314-4603. Goodbye. Okay, I'm not going to read you the title of this one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's about her third grade pool party.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hi. Here goes. In third grade, I celebrated my birthday with a pool party at my childhood home in southwest Florida. Included on my exclusive list of invitees was my elementary school quote, boyfriend Austin and his best friend Justin. It was kind of an early crush where I basically did not speak to Austin and instead got my friends to tell him that I liked my liked him. And so obviously we were dating.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You mean the way all first boyfriends are gotten?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally. After an afternoon of playing sharks and minnows in the pool, we toweled off for presents. Birthday cake. My grandma had made one of those Barbie doll cakes where the cake was her dress. Classic and ginger ale punch. The kind with an entire block of sherbet ice cream floating in the punch bowl.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is a very late 70s, early 80s party. Yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I recall opening Austin's present and it was a set of sequin earrings from Claire' the boyfriend. One pair for each day of the week. I had never received jewelry from a and then it says like man, squiggly man before. And I was delighted, albeit embarrassed, at such an obvious display of love. I then opened Justin's present. That's the best friend.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And he gave me all caps, a diamond gold necklace.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wait, what grade?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Third grade. They're little babies. Uh, oh, okay. It was probably not real gold, and it was definitely cubic zirconia, but still, I was nearly nine years old and completely abashed that my list of suitors had doubled in a single humid afternoon. According to my mom's memory, Austin was mortified and upset, and Justin was pretty smug. The fallout was what you'd expect. Austin broke up with me via a pass note shortly after my birthday party. I think it was a combination of his gift being upstaged and the fact that I literally didn't talk to him. My first boyfriend, Eagle. We never spoke. We kissed. One said a truth or dare. Yeah, what are you supposed to talk about never? And that the school year was almost over and he wanted to be another Squiggly Mark single for the summer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that summer of third grade, that really changes your life.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You know what? I gotta get myself back out there. He's single. Austin also stopped being friends with Justin. The rumor mill in the cafeteria confirmed that it was like the second time that school year that Justin tried to steal Austin's girlfriend.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ew.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The third grade is just an episode of Love Island. Apparently, I wasn't too heartbroken. Another friend at my party had gifted me a CD with Ciara and Missy Elliott's song One two Step, so I was busy choreographing a dance in my free time. We all eventually went to separate schools, and I hadn't thought about Justin until my sophomore year of high school when the local news reported on his arrest. That's the best friend. At the age of 17, Justin was arrested and convicted of a double homicide and armed robbery.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Justin broke into the house of a fellow classmate, where he shot and killed him and his mother. Justin stole a safe containing cash and a gun from the house. After selling the gun and pocketing the cash, he made a whopping $370. God. Absolutely disgusting. And it gets worse. A month or so prior to the murders, the mother and son had allowed Justin to stay with them for a couple days. When Justin was kicked out of his house by his own mother following the murders, Justin then expressed his condolences for them on a Facebook page, memorializing their lives. Must be before he got caught. Yeah, absolutely disgusting. But Justin is serving life in prison. Fuck him. Stay sexy. And sometimes men display red flag behavior even in the third grade. Kelsey.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, Kelsey. Kelsey. God, that is. Yeah, the idea. I mean, it's the thing I always say, just for a little bit of money from the quote from Fargo, we're just like, what the fuck are you doing?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Heartbreaking.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm out of comments about literally people just murdering other people, kind of for no reason.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, we've said it all in the past nine years.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's true. Well, let's keep going.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's do it anyway.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's power through it. Not gonna read you the subject line of this because they tell me not to. It says hide title in all caps.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And it just starts, I hope everyone is doing well. I've been a murderino all my life. I wrote my high school research paper on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm saying that so intensely. What if they don't mean it that intensely?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I bet they do, though.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I hope everyone's doing well. I've been a margarino all my life. I wrote my high school research paper on serial killers in 1995. It was my only a. That semest. Wait, this is from Karen Kilgera. That's crazy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Remember in school when you hated everything but what you were interested in and they never realized that maybe it was just that you were bored?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. You know, I actually told this story in the kitchen the other day that my favorite thing in school was reading aloud. And every time we do our podcast, I'm like, it's happening. It's happening.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You did it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

All that practice, and then it just says, okay, I'll get started. Thank you. Back in 2010, I was a new real estate agent living in Houston, Texas. My broker sent me to show a potential buyer one of her condo listings. It's a very nice building in central Houston, so he typically wouldn't show the unit unless the buyer was pre qualified. This individual claimed he would be paying cash, so she made an exception. However, she sent me because she didn't believe him.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Lady.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ma' am. I arrived at the condo and met a normal looking man who was probably in his late 60s or so. I showed him the amenities and the unit. He was an odd guy, but I got a kick out of his quirkiness and even made him laugh once or twice. That's the goal. The showing went well and I went back to the office to find my broker looking at Google images of a man in a courtroom. She asked me if it was him and I said yes. What is this? Well, it was Robert Durst.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Holy shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, it was Robert Durst. It was Robert Durst, the scariest man on the face of the planet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Truly. Okay. Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Black iris.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Robert Durst, killing in cold blood.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The next line is, I didn't recognize him because the jinx hadn't come out, and I'm not from Houston, so I didn't know the Morris Black case. I was shocked. I had just watched All Good Things, which is the scripted movie about that relationship that he had. So I knew who he was, but not what he looked like. Fast forward to 2015 when the Jinx comes out. I've watched it several times since then, and I remember the first time I saw the detectives interview his wife, Debbie Chartan, because that was the voice on his outgoing voicemail. My broker had me call him several times after the showing to see if he was interested in making a.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Even though it was still Robert Durston, they knew it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They're like, come on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Money's green.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Give that money.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And a little bit red with blood. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, don't I.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, that's. They're in the wrong.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't you know that a serial killer is gonna do some complaining and maybe some dishonest shit?

[Georgia Hardstark]

100%.

[Karen Kilgariff]

His garbage disposal was not broken.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right? You paying with cash. You're gonna pay the rest someday. No, you're not.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're gonna fucking bury bodies in the.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Walls is what you're gonna do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's all conjecture and allegations. Good. I can't believe I was all alone with him and shook his hand. It's unbelievable how we cross path and then it just says, yuck. Karen, I love your Live at the Bootleg album. Aw. My dad wants to listen to the album on repeat every road trip we take. And then it says Rex says hi.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Aw, Rex.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hi, Rex. That's so nice, Georgia. I think you're the coolest. I still smile and laugh every time you ask Elvis if he wants a cookie. It's the sweetest, most funny thing. I wish Elvis could have met. Cookie. Thank you both for everything. You know the list. You guys really do add so much joy. All the best, Erica.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Erica. Thank you, Erica.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You brought a Robert Durst personal story.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You made Robert Durst laugh. That's what I would start with at parties.

[Karen Kilgariff]

For real.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hey, who's the craziest person you ever made laugh? Robert Durst.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is it two truths and a lie? Two lies and a truth. You would kill that game.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Absolutely.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You made maybe more than a sociopath, maybe a psychopath laugh.

[Georgia Hardstark]

A serial killer, maybe.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hey, Karen, I want you to picture yourself going for a drive. What comes to mind?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Not ever being able to merge on any freeway in Los Angeles. And potholes. And crying.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, yeah. Well, the truth is, the road can feel like it's out to get you at every turn. But Karen, it doesn't have to be this way.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because Hyundai's available advanced safety technology is designed to help keep you protected from all of life's twists and turns.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Their vehicles offer available features designed to help safeguard you and your loved ones.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You can change lanes with confidence thanks to the available Blind Spot View monitor, which actually shows you a live video feed of your blind spots.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The standard forward collision avoidance assist can help prevent or mitigate accidents by alerting you of imminent collision. Oh my God. This happens to me all the time. And automatically applying the brakes if you don't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is needed. Hyundai vehicles are equipped with the standard, standard driver attention warning system which constantly monitors your attention levels. I oh my God. Once detected, it sounds alerts and visual cues to help bring your focus back to the road.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, get this for me right now.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

That's H Y U N D A I u s a.com or call 562-314-4603. Goodbye. Goodbye.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, here's my last one. I'm not going to read you the title. Hola. I've been listening to your podcast for years and always wanted to write in. I'm from Spain and here we don't get many murders. Spain?

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're wrong. You're wrong.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Have you heard of the Inquisition? No. The ones we get are not Minnesota appropriate. They're convoluted and very dark.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, I see. Like the Inquisition. I love that you pulled out the Inquisition.

[Georgia Hardstark]

When I heard this story, I knew my chance had finally come. In April 2020, a brown bear named Cachou. C A H O U. Cashew.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cashew.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Cashew. Was found dead at the bottom of a ravine in the Pyrenees in northeastern Spain. Pyrenees? Yeah, Pyrenees. Like the dog.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was first assumed that the bear had died fighting another animal. But soon the cause of death was revealed to be antifreeze poisoning.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is this an RFK story?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did you ever hear that story about RFK finding a bear carcass and then taking it home for the meat?

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is not that, okay? Because bears are protected species here. Who knew they had bears in Spain? I wouldn't have guessed that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The police quickly opened an investigation on Catu's death. A judge allowed suspects phones to be wiretapped for a dead bear.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And in the process of finding the bear's killers, the police stumbled upon a drug trafficking ring. It says. Yup, they were smuggling cocaine paste from Colombia and refining it at a lab in a nearby town. Ten people have been arrested so far, including the mayor of a village in the region.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Jesus.

[Georgia Hardstark]

As for catch you, a forest ranger and formal local government official were arrested for his murder back in November. Some people are saying that to thank investigators for their work in bringing him justice. Cashew led them to the this major drug bust.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, it should.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I like to imagine him with little guardian angel wings. A guardian cocaine bear angel?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know. Like, they don't say exactly how it happened, but there obviously was, like, hanging out at a fucking meth lab or.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Something caught in the crossfire. I mean, he could have been the Spanish version of our cocaine bear.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, but the antifreeze is, like, part of making cutting the cocaine probably right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, is it?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's gotta be.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's what makes cocaine so good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It gives it the effervescent bubble you get. Gives it its effervescence.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You just love it so much.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Gotten baby aspirin. I hope you enjoyed the story. I love your podcast. My friend Katie introduced me when we first met three years ago. And it's only one of the many things she's done to keep me sane since she's a badass murderino who makes me proud to be her friend every single day. Aw. I hope to one day travel to the US So that we can go to an MFM live show together. Maybe we'll come there and we'll Cover the Inquisition?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God. Just the entire Inquisition? I think it was a couple Hundred years. 400.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We're starting here. Karen and Georgia, you're the best company an anxious insomniac could ever hope for. Thank you for everything you do. SSTGM Ana.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ana, gracias. Ana. Gracias. Lo siento. I don't speak Spanish, but man.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Cocaine bear.

[Karen Kilgariff]

International cocaine. If you've got a cocaine bear story from your city or country. Okay, well, we're just gonna keep the hits coming.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm not gonna read you the subject line. Karen, Georgia, and the beloved MFM crew. Truly beloved, longtime listener here. I've been plotting to write in some of my Santa Cruz murder lore for ages. But after listening to episode 475, I had to pause everything and tell Karen Colon. Yes, I did see Steve O at the Burbank Airport.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We got a Steve O.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Story.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Steve O.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. It was 2019. I had just made it through TSA and was heading toward my gate when here comes Steve O. Casually walking through the terminal with his dog, Wendy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, come on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's the cutest. Karen. He was wearing a hat, but it was more of a dad trucker hat than a classic skater hat. Just to set the record straight. Thank you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Although I don't know if I want to get that into, like, I'm not gonna keep my eye out for Steve O At all times.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Someday I'll just be sat on a plane next to him, and then.

[Karen Kilgariff]

For real, though, it's like that kind of thing where you. Like, I didn't realize that I loved pistachio so much until I was served up a big thing of pistachio gelato. And I'm like, this is my favorite flavor. That's my Steve O sitting next to me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I get it. I get it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. Cause I'm starting to feel like an absolute third grader about talking about it this much. But then I'm also.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is literally the second time you've talked about it, so I think we're good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm just saying don't call him and tell him. Okay. Okay. It says, and yes, it was Wendy, the sweet, adorable street dog he rescued From Peru in 2018 while filming a web series. That's right. He found her living on the streets completely alone, and the two instantly bonded. He flew her back to the U.S. gave her the dream dog life, and even got her a pet passport. And then in parentheses, it says, which is kind of the cutest sentence ever. In 2019, they were traveling everywhere together. For his Bucket list tour. She went on stage with him at comedy shows and was basically his VIP co star. Did you know that?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No. I saw about him finding the dog, but not very sweet.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He looked so happy and healthy, and it genuinely warmed my heart. I grew up on Jackass, and seeing him with this sweet pup clearly thriving after everything he's been through was honestly kind of beautiful. It is. Anyway, this memory. This memory has been living rent free in my brain, and I knew y' all would appreciate the Steve O Dog dad content, stay sexy and always fly out of Burbank. Xo Sadie. Perfection. Sadie.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Sadie. Good one, girl. Amazing. Thank you, guys. Those were a great batch. Thank you so much.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Send your story, whatever it is, to my favorite murdermail.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Also, if you have a celebrity sighting you would like to tell us about that we've not talked about. We love it. We don't care.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, there was a stretch of celebrity sighting stories that were really good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think it's because it was Colin Farrell based and then it kind of went out from there. But I think it's important to tell people it can be your favorite celebrity. We will like how much you like.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally. Yeah. That's all it is. And like, how. How nervous you were or like, how embarrassing it was. And then we need a photo if you have one too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

All those things. Yeah. Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie?

[Karen Kilgariff]

This has been an Exactly Right production.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Our editor is Aristotle La.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This episode was mixed by Liana Squillace.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Goodbye.