MFM Minisode 444

Summary

My Favorite Murder Minisode 444 Summary

Episode Overview In MFM Minisode 444, released on July 14, 2025, hosts Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark delve into the nostalgic and often unsettling hometown stories submitted by listeners. Co-host Hope Woodard joins in to share and react to these tales, blending true crime with comedic insights. This episode offers a collection of personal anecdotes that highlight the eerie and sometimes dark undertones lurking beneath ordinary childhood experiences.

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1. Stranger Danger at the Library
[02:26]
Georgia recounts a chilling encounter from her childhood at the library. At nine years old, while engrossed in a book, a man sat down across from her. Despite her introverted nature, Georgia sensed something was amiss and employed the age-appropriate tactic of using parentheses around her name when introducing herself. Her instincts proved correct when the man attempted to enter the women’s restroom, acting suspiciously and ultimately fleeing.

Georgia Hardstark: "Nothing about that camp was right. It was really actually like a horror movie."
Hope Woodard: "Listen to voiceover on the iHeartRadio app..."
This story emphasizes the importance of trusting one’s gut instincts from a young age and serves as a poignant reminder of the hidden dangers that can exist in seemingly safe environments.

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2. The Dollar Movie Theater Incident
[05:26]
Hope shares a harrowing experience from her teenage years working at a dollar movie theater. The manager, Dave, initially appeared relaxed and accommodating, allowing employees to sneak in after hours for relaxed viewing sessions. However, Hope’s perception drastically changed when Dave contacted her out of the blue, revealing his involvement in exposing himself to young girls—a revelation that led to his immediate arrest.

Hope Woodard: "Stay sexy and don't trust adults who have teenagers as friends."
The narrative underscores the blurred lines of trust between young employees and adult supervisors, highlighting the potential for malevolent individuals to exploit positions of authority.

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3. Grandma’s Ashes at the Mall
[15:14]
Georgia narrates a bizarre family tradition involving her late Italian-American grandmother. After her grandmother’s passing in 2021, the family attempted to honor her wishes by spreading her ashes at a local mall. However, their method—mixing the ashes with water in a red solo cup—resulted in a concrete-like paste that clung stubbornly to the cup. The attempt to dispose of the ashes discreetly at the jewelry counter led to an awkward and humorous encounter with a store employee, leaving Georgia and her mother feeling guilty yet relieved.

Georgia Hardstark: "Stay sexy and don't mix cremains with water even if your aunt tells you to."
This story combines dark humor with a touch of family dysfunction, illustrating how well-intentioned actions can sometimes lead to unintended and comical outcomes.

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4. Sister Wedding Drama
[19:28]
Hope describes the intense family conflict that arose when her sister decided to schedule her wedding just two months after Hope’s own engagement. The timing sparked jealousy and competition, leading to a heated feud characterized by blame, emotional manipulation, and prolonged estrangement. Despite Hope’s attempts to view the situation rationally, the deep-seated sibling rivalry proved difficult to overcome.

Hope Woodard: "Stay sexy and stay out of Bridezilla's way."
Through this narrative, the episode explores the complexities of family dynamics and the emotional toll of competitive relationships, especially surrounding significant life events like weddings.

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5. Baby Garter Snakes and Childhood Mischief
[35:07]
Georgia reminisces about her adventurous childhood when, at five years old, she discovered baby garter snakes near a creek. Excited to share her find, she rushed home, only to be reprimanded by her older sister upon attempting to showcase the snakes at a baseball game. The incident resulted in embarrassment and a humorous family scolding, highlighting the innocent yet chaotic nature of childhood explorations.

Georgia Hardstark: "Stay sexy and maybe pat down your 5-year-olds before loading them into the car."
This story captures the essence of childhood curiosity and the often awkward attempts to gain peer approval, infused with Georgia’s signature humor.

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6. Lifeguard Manners at the Public Pool
[38:37]
Hope introduces a peculiar story about a lifeguard at a community pool who was reprimanded for eating spaghetti with his fingers while on duty. The incident, deemed "embarrassing" by the parks and recreation director, sparked confusion and amusement among the staff and patrons. Hope humorously parallels the situation to characters from popular TV shows, emphasizing the absurdity of the reprimand.

Hope Woodard: "Do you need advice? Maybe once an episode we could do an advice question."
The tale serves as a comedic exploration of workplace etiquette, highlighting how minor infractions can sometimes lead to disproportionate responses.

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Hosts’ Interactions and Insights
Throughout the episode, Georgia and Hope engage in lively banter, reflecting on the absurdities and underlying themes of each story. They offer humorous commentary while simultaneously delving into the more serious aspects of trust, family dynamics, and personal safety. Their interactions provide a balanced mix of laughter and introspection, making the stories relatable yet thought-provoking.

Notable Quotes:

• Georgia Hardstark: "Listen to your gut." [05:09]
• Hope Woodard: "Stay sexy and don't trust adults who have teenagers as friends." [09:56]
• Georgia Hardstark: "Do you have a better one?" [22:58]
• Hope Woodard: "Stay sexy and make sure you watch your children at the public pool because the lifeguard isn't." [40:43]

Concluding Thoughts
MFM Minisode 444 masterfully intertwines personal anecdotes with true crime elements, offering listeners a glimpse into the hosts' formative experiences and the eerie events that left a lasting impression. By sharing these hometown stories, Karen, Georgia, and Hope create a tapestry of memories that are both entertaining and cautionary, reinforcing the podcast’s signature blend of humor and horror.

Listeners are encouraged to submit their own hometown stories, ensuring that each episode remains a collaborative and engaging experience. This episode not only entertains but also fosters a sense of community among true crime enthusiasts, each with their own unique and sometimes unsettling tales.

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Stay Connected To share your hometown stories or listen to MFM Minisode 444, visit My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you enjoy your podcasts.

Transcript

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is exactly right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Nothing about that camp was right. It was really actually like a horror movie.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Hope Woodard]

Have you ever thought about going voiceover? I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator and seeker of male validation. I'm also the girl behind voiceover, the movement that exploded in 2024. You might hear that term and think it's about celibacy, but to me, voiceover is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships. It's flexible, it's customizable, and it's a personal process.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Singleness is not a waiting room.

[Hope Woodard]

You are actually at the party right now.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let me hear it.

[Hope Woodard]

No. Listen to voiceover on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts from.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Iheart Podcasts. You dig what I do. You have a need. Unfortunately, you have no sense of humor. That's why you can't ever enjoy this show. And that's why you're a loser.

[Hope Woodard]

He was the first and the original shock jock.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're as dumb as the rest.

[Hope Woodard]

That's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

Hello and welcome to my favorite murder, the Minisodes. That's right, it's the hometown episode where we read you your hometowns or your stories or your adventures or your grandma's adventures.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right? You've got stories. They started in hometowns. They're ending up in random celebrity stories. I mean, we've now gone the full gamut of any story you want to tell us via email.

[Hope Woodard]

I'd love to see a master list of just topics that have been covered. That would be kind of amazing. Right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's a challenge.

[Hope Woodard]

Snake pit, sinkholes, treasure and wall. Like, it just would be my alcoholic.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Grandma who was nice but also yelled at me this one time.

[Hope Woodard]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We wanna hear it.

[Hope Woodard]

I wanna see it. All right. You wanna go first? Sure.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The subject line of this email is hometown, stranger danger and childhood Fuck politeness. Hi ladies, Year one listener. Love having your voices in my ear while traveling and appreciate y' all using your platform to respond to the ongoing horrors.

[Hope Woodard]

Thank you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

If only we could do more about these ongoing since 2016 horrors. As a child, I spent a lot of time at the library entertaining myself while my mom ran errands nearby. When I was nine, I was sitting alone on a couch in the corner of the library reading, when I noticed a man sit down across from me. As an introvert and an avid reader, I did not acknowledge his arrival. After a minute, the man asked what I was reading. I raised the COVID to show him and kept reading. He asked my name and the stranger danger alarm went off in my head. I told him my name was Riley in parentheses, not my name. And when he asked where I went to school and where my parents were, I gave fake answers for those two.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, just wait, okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wanting to get out of this conversation, I set the book down and mentioned needing to use the restroom. Parentheses which was around the corner and on the other side of the library. As I approached the bathroom, I felt a knot in my stomach. Instead of going into the bathroom, I dou into an aisle a little past the entrance to the women's room and hid behind the opposite end cap. I could see the bathroom through the gaps in the shelves, but unless someone was really looking, they could not have easily seen me.

[Hope Woodard]

I'm clenching right now.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Not long after that, I saw him come around the corner, check to see if anyone was looking, and then walk into the women's restroom.

[Hope Woodard]

How old was she? Nine.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Nine.

[Hope Woodard]

Holy shit.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Upon realizing that it was empty, he ran out saying something under his breath and quickly left the library. I immediately told the member would happen and spent the rest of the evening talking about books with the staff until my mom showed up to take me home. Needless to say, my solo library adventures were paused until I was old enough to have a cell phone. Stay sexy, trust your gut, and fund your local library. Danny.

[Hope Woodard]

Amazing look for a librarian. That's another great piece of advice.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Look for a librarian. And also listen to your gut.

[Hope Woodard]

Listen to your gut.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What's that weird feeling?

[Hope Woodard]

Even if you're wrong, doesn't matter. You move on with your day.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because also if in that case, and I mean Dani, the nine year old wonder. Yeah, because Dani felt that feeling in their gut and then just was like, I'm just gonna step over here and not do the thing expected and see what happens.

[Hope Woodard]

Absolutely brilliant. Brilliant. My first one is called. Well, actually it's similar classic hometown pervert story. Hello, MFM crew. Longtime listener, second time writer. I grew up in the suburbs. All the fun places to hang a kid slowly started to be replaced by pharmacies and needless retail stores, leaving few things for teenage me to do. I remember that my friend got a summer job at the dollar movie theater. So that became where I spent a lot of my time.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Uh oh, warning, red alert. Why cheap movie theaters are where some creepy people go to spend their time?

[Hope Woodard]

I don't know. We had like our main movie theater in Woodbridge in Irvine that fell on hard times and became the dollar theater. But it was never like, it was just like second run. It wasn't like creepy. But yes, I read you the title and so clearly there's a perm.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, I just think it's just when the, the entry fee is so low, it's kind of like, oh, you could sit in here for two hours, right?

[Hope Woodard]

And children might show up. The manager, sometimes they work there, let's call him. Dave was super chill. Near closing time, employees would sneak their friends in the back. We'd fill containers we brought from home with as much popcorn and soda as we could eat and drink. We'd hang out in the birthday party room playing board games and tell all the custom left and all the employees had clocked out. And then we all watch a movie after hours. Dave had awesome board games. Never seemed to care when someone smelled like weed or slipped some booze into their cup or how much popcorn we ate, which all made him a cool adult in our eyes. It was the perfect balance of wholesome fun and rule breaking. One random day in the summer, I got a call on my cell from. I got a call on my cell from. I got a call on my cell phone from.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Dave, that last time you did it, your face thought you did it, right? Like it was like from.

[Hope Woodard]

From.

[Georgia Hardstark]

From self. From.

[Hope Woodard]

From self. From. Leave all of that in, please. This was very unusual. Dave only had my number in case one of my friends didn't answer. When I called to be snuck in the back of the theater. After a very confused hello, he responded with, I'm sure you've seen the news by now. So I just wanted to call and kind of explain the situation a little. Oh, no, no, you don't need to do that. Adult phone to phone teenager. No, you're only going to make this wor. I told him I didn't know what he was talking about and immediately typed his name into Ask Jeeves to figure out what was going on. That's right, kids. Before Google, we would ask a fake Internet butler for information.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Jeeves, is my movie theater manager a straight up sex criminal?

[Hope Woodard]

Ask Jeeves, are you a straight up sex criminal? Jeeves?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Will you print up a list of sex pests in my area because I have to get a job. I'm a teen.

[Hope Woodard]

As he was rambling on about being super stressed going through a rough divorce, that doesn't excuse his actions. Yada yada yada. I was reading the articles popping up on Ask Jeeves while he was out for a walk. He decided the best way to feel like he could gain control of his life was to expose himself to two young girls who were walking home from school. I mean, dude, they reported him to the cops. Good. And he was immediately caught. Dave sadly murmured that he wasn't going to be around the movie theater anymore, aka he was going to jail. Yeah, my 16 year old nerd self wasn't socially prepared with what to do when you realize that a person who knows you, who has your phone number and who you are currently on the phone with had exposed himself to children. So I panicked and went with try to console him so he doesn't get mad and go crazy on you reaction women. We've all had that reaction before.

[Georgia Hardstark]

At some point also you could do that thing where you're like, sorry, what? Wait a second. And then you just hang up.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah, I told him I just saw the news article and not to worry and how it wasn't that bad and admitted Americans are prudes with nudity. But he just paused and responded with quote, no, it was that bad days. I know. I felt guilty for a while after that for encouraging a flasher. But then I remembered that I was 16 so I should cut myself some slack.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Hope Woodard]

Jesus Christ.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This was a test you did not have to pass totally.

[Hope Woodard]

You were supposed to be learning from this experience and you did.

[Georgia Hardstark]

God damn. At least Dave was there to be like, no, don't.

[Hope Woodard]

Don't let me off the hook.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Don't let me off the hook.

[Hope Woodard]

He clearly knew what he did was fucked up and he was going to jail. The last time I heard of Dave and it was the end of the dollar movie theater hangs. The new manager ran stuff by, but.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Somehow they kept going. They were like, we'll call him from jail.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah, the new manager ran stuff by the book, but hey, he didn't flash. Children Fuck. Stay sexy and don't trust adults who have teenagers as friends. Such great advice. No name it says she hers.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, it's that. And that thing where like, when you're a teen and you're either like, you always want candy or you're like, I want a party or what? You have to keep your eyes open for the people who are facilitating.

[Hope Woodard]

Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, just hang here. Spend your time here. You can be here. Chill out here.

[Hope Woodard]

Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Why?

[Hope Woodard]

Why do you want children around? You're actually not as cool as you think you are. Or a fun hang at all.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And if you're doing it for good reasons, there will be an old lady in the front and there'll be another lady over here.

[Hope Woodard]

Partly. Your parents will be invited too, to party with your friends. Cool parents and wine coolers. That's my childhood. It'll be fine. And turns out cocaine too. Like, who the fuck knew the whole time?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, it was the 80s, right?

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

God damn.

[Hope Woodard]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just am so blown away because it's so. In those stories, you're like, okay, a person does that thing and then they're just. They must just be without a moral center.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And to. So for this person to basically listen to someone he pretended to be friends.

[Hope Woodard]

With make excuses, care enough to tell, to call them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Don't do this for another person. Don't do it for me. Don't do it for anybody.

[Hope Woodard]

This is what I loved. When I asked for hometowns at parties or whenever I was out and about, it was like, what was the thing? Who was the teacher? Who turned out to be. What was the. Yeah, like the theater manager. Those are the stories that are like, every fucking town has one of those. I don't care if you don't think you're into true crime. Every town has one of those.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What's your wolf and sheep's clothing story?

[Hope Woodard]

That's a good one.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's a good.

[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm a Georgia. Oh, you two love grandmas and you recently asked for a quote Any fucking story. So here we go.

[Hope Woodard]

Put that on the list. Any fucking story.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Any fucking story. My fierce Italian. This email is wild. I'll just say that. Okay, My fierce Italian American Grandma died in 2021 after a long life of overfeeding house guests, yelling at her children, and spoiling her grandchildren. When the pandemic subsided and the family was finally able to gather for her funeral, we converged on the San Diego suburbs, the area where she spent most of her life. After a small but heartfelt memorial service, one of my aunts instructed everyone to drive to the nearby mall, where we would honor my grandma's wishes of having her remaining ashes spread at her favorite department store.

[Hope Woodard]

What I was gonna think in the fountain or something in the. Okay, this is amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She's like, I love pennies. I wanna live there forever. You can't just sprinkle people, please.

[Hope Woodard]

Literally illegal to put cremains wherever the fuck you want.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Not allowed. Upon arrival, my aunt opened her trunk and pulled out a red solo cup, Grandma's cremains waiting to party, and a bottle of water, which she hastily combined and handed to my sister, who was instructed to stir. Apparently, my aunt was worried that the ashes would blow away in the wind.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, my God. You made ash mushroom.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Ash batter.

[Hope Woodard]

Ash batter. Oh, my God. Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She was afraid it would blow away.

[Hope Woodard]

In the wind, so just make it wet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yep. So she came prepared. But to put it lightly, my sister did not appreciate being assigned this task. Makes a lot of sense. Well, but turns out that when ashes are combined with water, the result is a concrete like paste.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So my sister had to stir vigorously as we herded our family of cats over to the sidewalk planter nearest the mall doors. She then proceeded to scrape as much of grandma out of the cup as possible, dumping her into the dry soil. We snapped a few family photos, and as soon as it was over. My sister handed me the cup. Still coated with grandma. Yeah, still coated with grandma slurry.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

With a look on her face telling me this was my problem now. So I grabbed it and my mom and I walked inside the department store in search of a trash can. We eventually stopped to ask an employee at the jewelry counter where one was, which prompted her to kindly offer to throw the cup away. I hesitated, but it felt insane to tell her she couldn't have my trash. So I handed it over instead of just throwing it away. This lovely woman placed the cup on the jewelry counter and continued chatting with her co worker. My mom and I walked away giggling nervously, feeling guilty and hoping that the cup eventually made it into the trash, but also knowing that that's where grandma would have wanted it to be all along. On the jewelry counter, listening to the tea get spilled. Oh.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right? So true.

[Hope Woodard]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Kind of like fate steps in and does his part. Or her part. Their part or their part. Stay sexy and don't mix cremains with water even if your aunt tells you to. Becca Sheer.

[Hope Woodard]

That is one of the most bananas I've heard. You can't. Yeah, let's frame that. You can't do that. No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Also, but here's the aunt. What I love about this is like, big family, kind of be real. Yeah, we're all going to a place. How's this going to get screwed? You know, whatever. We've all seen cremains blowing in the wind. She's like, that isn't happening to my mother. Getting blown all the hell over the mall.

[Hope Woodard]

Absolutely not. And like, no one's, like, asked her, like, is this a great idea? Everyone knows not to ask her if it's a great idea because aunt Whatever Joan doesn't like to be asked about her ideas.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Unless you've got a better idea.

[Hope Woodard]

Do you have a better one?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Do you have a better one? And do you also have a red solo cup to have that idea happening?

[Hope Woodard]

Right. Who's got the cremains then?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Buy.

[Hope Woodard]

That is so fucked up. I love it so much. He's got the crema.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The lady selling jewelry. Of course she's the one handling grandma's body now.

[Hope Woodard]

You know, I want to take this solo cup home. I hate to see it go to waste.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, you know what's crazy is I sold this ring and I forgot to throw this garbage away.

[Hope Woodard]

Okay, this one's a little long, but we asked for it. I'm not going to tell you the name of it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Hope Woodard]

Imagine me Whisper yelling this at you because I fear for my actual life. But you asked for wedding drama and petty family feud stories. So gather round, ladies. It's time to gossip about my big sister.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Settled in.

[Hope Woodard]

I will be as vague as possible to maintain plausible deniability, but I am prepared to go into the witness protection at the same time, my older sister got engaged after being with her partner for almost 10 years, still taking her sweet time. Towards the end of their roughly two to three year engagement, big sis finally pins down a wedding date and books a beautiful venue for the following summer. Perfect. Then my own partner and I got engaged at a college. Everyone is happy. Love is in the air. Now, my partner was, and still is, active duty military. Very long story short, because it's complicated to explain deployment and training schedules, he's basically given an ultimatum when it comes to choosing our wedding date. We had until no later than the following summer, like my sister to have a traditional wedding or delay indefinitely until another window presented itself. So to take advantage of this rare opportunity that instead allowed us to plan a whole year in advance. And thinking it would be really fun to spend so much time with our families partying all summer, we picked a date about two months after my sister. Right. Seems fair. Two months after her wedding. Her big sister's wedding.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean. Okay.

[Hope Woodard]

Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I wouldn't use the word fair.

[Hope Woodard]

Okay. There's variables that we don't know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The big sister got her date out.

[Hope Woodard]

First, the big sister got her date out first, and the little sister is respecting that and doing it two months later. Two months. Not even like in the same month. So it's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It doesn't matter.

[Hope Woodard]

Okay. All right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But let's see.

[Hope Woodard]

My sister. I could see my sister getting pissed about this. Okay. Sure. This gave her as much buffer space as was possible while still barely meeting our deadline. That's. The other thing is she's doing this because they have like. They're not. She didn't. My whole family was super supportive, and I was genuinely.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You've come down hard on this. On the writer's side.

[Hope Woodard]

My whole family was super supportive, and I was genuinely so stoked to share this unique experience with my big sister. It was an excuse to spend more time together because we lived in different states and had for a while.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It sounds to me like she told the family before she told her sister.

[Hope Woodard]

What she's saying is this is a chance for the family to be together all summer, but also for my sister and I to bond over wedding planning together.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Of course. But a lot of people don't want to bond with a second bride on their own wedding.

[Hope Woodard]

No, there's. You shouldn't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, but I'm saying isn't what you just read. Hearst basically saying, my whole family was supportive of this, and then I'm going to tell my sister.

[Hope Woodard]

It does. It does sound like that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That worries me.

[Hope Woodard]

Okay. We could share.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm not arguing. I'm literally. I hear you saying what I'm scared of.

[Hope Woodard]

She's the last. No, we could share Pinterest pages also, like. Yeah, you could have asked me instead of told me. Even if, like, it's not happening. Okay, we could share Pinterest pages, vent about planning anxieties and build registries together. We have wildly different tastes and interests, so there would be no fighting over who would get this or that rationalization. It would be so fun and special. Right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No. Incorrect.

[Hope Woodard]

Now, this is period, period, period. Wrong. Period. She, period, was period furious. She wanted to be the. Now this is where you're gonna turn on her. She wanted to be the brilliant of the season. Oh, it's fucking Bridgerton all the goddamn sudden.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hold on. Can I switch back?

[Hope Woodard]

I knew you would. Right. She wanted to be the bride of the season. That's like when someone's like, it's my birthday month. You have to pay for everything.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know, but that's the thing is, I don't agree with it or whatever, but this is the world people live in. So the idea that you thought your sister would love to share the wedding season with you is crazy.

[Hope Woodard]

I don't know. Like, when you're dealing with people who. You just never know what their reaction's gonna be and what it's gonna be based on that day, that minute that when you were 10, you did this. You never know. It's so confusing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's true in general, but I think when it comes to weddings, it's the same thing with don't wear a white dress, don't have the wedding two months after mine, and basically just completely hijack all the heat I'm gonna get. I don't feel that way. I'm just saying.

[Hope Woodard]

I totally hear you. I think. And everyone let us know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What if we get into a fight about this wedding?

[Hope Woodard]

What if we get married the same on the same day? I think a month buffer is enough. Two months is extra.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I disagree.

[Hope Woodard]

So how long do you think?

[Georgia Hardstark]

A season.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, so you do agree there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I completely think this is to the person. So in the same way that I would never have a birthday week or month because I'm like, leave me alone. There's some people who would be like, this will be great. It'll be so fun. And there's some people who are like, my day.

[Hope Woodard]

You know what I mean?

[Georgia Hardstark]

And it doesn't make sense to me, but I can see the my day people being like.

[Hope Woodard]

And there was a different way she could have done this delicately and been like, look, I'm so sorry. This is the only. Okay, here we go. What is. What are we. Because.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because this is advice.

[Hope Woodard]

This is advice. Let's get advice. We can give advice. This is great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We'll break your apart. But my thing is this. When you start the storyline of. It'll be so fun. Everyone, the whole family will love it. You gotta know that once you're doing that.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Pause it and go, why do I have to do this so hard?

[Hope Woodard]

Right. And also, like, I don't know how they'll react, I guess. Yeah, I guess My sister has reacted very badly to things that I did not expect. And I got in big trouble for a thing, and it was worse because I was so excited about it that it's just like, oh, those people get you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They'll get you.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah, okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It is. It's. Well, you know why? That's the person you're supposed to know the best.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And so when something like that happens, then you're just like, wait, what the fuck?

[Hope Woodard]

Just like the lack of the benefit of the doubt, you know? Or like the lack of even considering the intentions of this person she's known her whole life. And it being all about being the bride of the season for two months, it's just like, bullshit.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It is.

[Hope Woodard]

Here we go. There's a lot more to talk about.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're like, there's four more pages of.

[Hope Woodard]

This email and we're gonna do a whole nother episode, a Friday episode of Advice.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is the minisode advice.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah, I think it should be. Yeah. She wanted to be the bride of the season and couldn't believe I was trying to be the center of attention. She screamed and begged and cried to my parents on multiple occasions to not let me get married because it wasn't. Wasn't fair. She then tried many, many tactics to directly convince me to not get married, campaigned to as many relatives as possible, admitted to me that she did not want to waste the time she had off from work to go to my wedding after her own, and ultimately didn't want to be a bridesmaid or even attend my wedding in the first place. And it says she was, and she.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Did so Is your sister's name at the bottom of this email?

[Hope Woodard]

I hope so. Oh, mine. Oh no. I will say my sister and I are close friends now. She has calmed the down and we are. She is reliable now. So this is old and she would fucking admit to it. 100. Okay. She thought my parents favored my fiance over her own because our dad was also a veteran. She thought we were too young to get married at all. Stop doing the voice, et cetera, et cetera.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's too much. You're putting too much English on this thing.

[Hope Woodard]

I know, I know, but I get it. She then decided to, quote, be the bigger person by formally postponing her wedding while blaming me for being the selfish little sibling and stealing her light rather than having a. Okay. The reality of the situation was that she and her fiance were completely unwilling to compromise on their guest list that far exceeded their chosen venue's limit. That's the real reason they moved it. They had no choice but to find a new venue and therefore a much later date since venues book up quickest in the summer.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm sorry. Though what that person writing is saying. It has literally nothing to do with the decision she made to the wedding two months after. So it could be an addition. Like that's rationalization. I am sorry.

[Hope Woodard]

I hear you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's like that might have happened.

[Hope Woodard]

Yes, that might be true. And in addition, I don't even fucking want it now anyways.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, she's basically saying you're just lumping up on my thing and it's not.

[Hope Woodard]

But look, I get. Yeah, I get.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is what, like it's family history. When you have a person that either does this a lot. You've seen this before. It's not the first time. Then it's like a huge explosion over something that seems like wait to everyone else.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah, Therapy. Family therapy is when you're an adult is still a thing. Yeah, it's pretty great. She then secretly eloped before my wedding.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Altogether, she's just like triple burned the whole family.

[Hope Woodard]

The kicker is that even after she not only got married first and still had an over the top Kardashian level destination wedding of her dreams, a year later, she was still so bitter about everything that she didn't speak to me for almost three years. Yeah, you're gonna hate this. Stay sexy and stay out of Bridezilla's way. A. P.S.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Sorry, are you Bridezilla or is your sister right?

[Hope Woodard]

I. I get. I'm. I'm in the middle now. P S. I want to shout out all my Trans siblings in the US Going through it right now. You exist. You are loved. You are important. I love you. I love you. I love you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Hope Woodard]

That was a lot to unpack.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, we thought we wanted, like, the hot tea goth.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah. But.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But everything has a side, and we see our sides based on the shit we've been through.

[Hope Woodard]

Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The Xerox goes like this for you, and you know exactly what the situation is. And then the Xerox goes like this for me, and I'm like.

[Hope Woodard]

And I just want to convince you of basically my perspective, because it's basically my borrowed drama. I'm going to tell you why you shouldn't have gotten married two months after me, which you didn't do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, but that is it in a nutshell. It's just. Do you see my need? Do you see my need to either have the whole season locked off, which is a crazy need. Sure. And also then it's this thing of, like, I could only do it this one day.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And it's like, then. Then how do you do it so that you can bring your sister in instead of, like, it's not that big of a deal and you're being too blah, blah, blah.

[Hope Woodard]

I'm doing it. I know what you mean. Yeah. It's like, both parties could have worked through that in therapy and. And it could have turned out as beautifully as she wanted it to, but.

[Georgia Hardstark]

If they've never been able to, then they couldn't have.

[Hope Woodard]

Jesus Christ.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, if it's sister issues, there's kind of nothing worse than, like, adult sister issues.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah. Oh, for sure. It's so disappointing because you're like, we're grown up and we're the only people, and you. We can't fucking.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. It's like, is. Will it ever end?

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah. We're gonna be little old ladies. And every time your parents said, she's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Your only sister, that's all my mom. All. My mom would scream at us.

[Hope Woodard]

She's your sister. And you're like, you hate your sister's mom.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Hope Woodard]

No, she doesn't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But also. But I do think, too. It's like, one of the worst times my sister and I went through it was when my mom was in, like, the middle of Alzheimer's. So everything was like. I think there's extenuating circumstances. There's obviously, like, you know, the family.

[Hope Woodard]

Birth order where it's like, totally the oldest.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Hope Woodard]

But then there's heightened emotions. You didn't live in town, so it was like. And Laura did. Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So like, oh, yes.

[Hope Woodard]

So there was that butting of heads.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, there was. I mean, like, issues times a million. Ultimately, grief. Ultimately, the issue is this can't be happening, right? And it's happening in slow fucking motion.

[Hope Woodard]

And you're the only person I can yell at about it. So I'm gonna.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Hope Woodard]

Fuck. We figured it out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

So I get that ping on my phone, on my app that tells me when there's someone, like, on my lawn, I'm such an old lady or like, you know, walking up my driveway because I live up off the street and you shouldn't be there if you're not meant to Be there. So, like, if I get the ping that someone's on my lawn and I'm like, I know something's up and I can check it before they even get to the door or break in in the window, it's great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Hope Woodard]

I love that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. It says, hi all. I'm not great at all the mushy stuff nor writing. So I'll just say I love you all and everything you do. I was born in 1974 in Aurora, Illinois. Yes, Wayne's World.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Which is now the second largest city in Illinois. I wonder if that's because of Wayne's World.

[Hope Woodard]

That makes sense.

[Georgia Hardstark]

In the late 70s, we lived in the.

[Hope Woodard]

Wait, isn't it Laverne and Shirley too?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, they lived in Milwaukee.

[Hope Woodard]

That's right. I'm thinking of that part in Wayne's World where they go to Milwaukee to see Alice Cooper.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, go back.

[Hope Woodard]

Go.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's same universe. Okay, so in the late 70s, we lived in the best cul de sac in the world. Every House in our little neighborhood had Multiple kids from 5 to middle school, aged probably 25 of us total.

[Hope Woodard]

Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Powerful.

[Hope Woodard]

So on Crane and Crane Incredible. Just Crane insane. And incredible is what I just tried to say. I've had a lot of caffeine today. Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I would love artwork of like 25 little kids holding up the word in Crane with like a. With a street light on top of them.

[Hope Woodard]

And there's a crane in the background.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And there's one. The 20 child is swinging on that crane.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah. And then the actual crane. A bird.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Hope Woodard]

Just keep adding yes. And I'm trying to think of any other kind of a crane cranium.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Frasier Crane. Frasier Crane.

[Hope Woodard]

You did it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, so we ran completely unsupervised and were mostly feral. One late spring afternoon when I was 5, the older kids, including my 12 year old sister, deigned me cool enough to accompany them to one of the few undeveloped areas around. It was a small patch of woods with a creek running through it, maybe 3bl blocks away. When we arrived, the other kids kicked off their shoes to wade into the creek, trying to catch tadpoles and crawdads. I wandered farther down the bank, peering into the grass at the coolest thing I'd ever seen. I quickly formed a plan and took off running for my house. Once there, I ran to my room, dumped my pillow out of its case and sprinted back, relieved that everything was as I left it. I scooped up my treasure and loaded it into my pillowcase.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, no.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Before I could show anybody what I'd found, my sister yelled that it was time to go to my brother's baseball game. We sprinted home, where my mom was already in the car, yelling at us that we were late. I crawled into the back, gently cradling my bag. When we all arrived at the ball field, I sprinted to the full bleachers, climbing under them to further inspect my find. That's when it occurred to me everyone there needed to see what I had. I reached into the bag, ran out from under the bleachers to the front, holding my arms up in triumph. In my pudgy little hand, I held maybe 20 baby garter snakes.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh, my God. It's like Peewee's Playhouse or Big Adventure when he.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Big Adventure when he comes out, rescues the snakes from the burning.

[Hope Woodard]

Oh my God. That's what? No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And also babies. Babies. A little kid with baby snakes.

[Hope Woodard]

I would think the world is ending.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hey, everybody.

[Hope Woodard]

It's the apocalypse.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, exactly. It's like you will obey me. Exactly.

[Hope Woodard]

Demon child, bezelbub is here. Oh my God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Sorry. I remember a couple grown adults bailing off the sides of the bleachers. A few screams and at least one what the fuck. Mostly though, I remember the looks of anger and embarrassment on my sister and mom's faces. And my mom whisper yelling me to.

[Hope Woodard]

Get rid of us.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Now I was completely shocked. Could these people not see how cool I was?

[Hope Woodard]

Weren't they supposed to cheer? What were they supposed to react? And everyone was supposed to be like.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, yes, we love you, stay sexy and maybe pat down your 5 year olds before loading them into the car.

[Hope Woodard]

Amanda, Amanda, you are probably a cool adult.

[Georgia Hardstark]

20 baby garter snakes in a pillowcase.

[Hope Woodard]

And you know she had to use that pillowcase that night to sleep. You know what I mean? Like back then, they didn't. You didn't get rid of the smell.

[Georgia Hardstark]

As she lays there like maybe this.

[Hope Woodard]

Was a bad idea. Okay, I have a bad idea one too. That's just kind of funny.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Incredible.

[Hope Woodard]

And I'm not going to wait.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Is this the last one?

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah. Finally, four hours later. Hello, narrating mammals. I grew up working at a small community pool as a lifeguard and they never took me off the staff email list. Yeah. You know, like that's just a great start to a story.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's so good and weird.

[Hope Woodard]

Like we know what's happen. Yeah. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's so specific and it's such a funny, like, I'm gonna tell you something about that now.

[Hope Woodard]

And they did. It's normally updates about maintenance.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm sorry to interrupt.

[Hope Woodard]

You always do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Should it be. Did you ever get not taken off an email list and something happened? We'd love to hear about it.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah, right. Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah. What were you CC'd on or BCC'd on or not BCC'd on that? You should have been tell us the story.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We don't want your job stories though. We want something weird like whatever's about to happen here.

[Hope Woodard]

I definitely heard one though once when this woman realized that she had been tracking her period in the company wide calendar. I heard that online. It was like a story, you know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That'S so embarrassing and weird.

[Hope Woodard]

So something like that. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

God damn. God damn.

[Hope Woodard]

And like written like my period and like color coded it and. Or like maybe it was even worse. Maybe it was ovulating because you're trying to have a baby. I don't know. So send us those.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Hope Woodard]

My favorite murderer. Gmail. Let me finish this for you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Hope Woodard]

It's normally updates about maintenance schedules and occasionally A story about a patron. One day I got this email from the 60 year old parks and recreation director of the small town that was supposed to be Vince.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, yeah.

[Hope Woodard]

The email is titled eating in lifeguard chairs. And he gets right down to business telling us that a director from a neighboring town's pool saw one of our lifeguards eating spaghetti out of a bowl with his fingers while sitting at top the lifeguard stand. It's like Charlie from It's always sunny in Philadelphia.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Seems impossible.

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah. The director of parks and recreation went on to explain that pizza, pizza teriyaki chicken bowls and spaghetti are not acceptable items to eat while lifeguarding. And that the video he saw when looking back on the security footage was quote, embarrassing. Yeah, public pools have some wacky stories, but it's not always the patrons. Stay sexy. And make sure you watch your children at the public pool because the lifeguard isn't. Sarah, Sarah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

If I were you and I was on that chain that I shouldn't be on anymore, I'd be like, are we allowed to drink boba drinks?

[Hope Woodard]

How about just start asking about specific things?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Deli sandwiches, six inch foot long.

[Hope Woodard]

No tomato though. Is that okay?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Literally, just. It's like just. You just named three things that aren't appropriate. Doesn't make any sense, does any. Is anything else super appropriate?

[Hope Woodard]

Spaghetti with his fingers on the lifeguard stand.

[Georgia Hardstark]

In a bowl?

[Hope Woodard]

Yeah, in a bowl. In a legit bowl. Not even like, yeah, send us your story, whatever the fuck it is about any of this. Do you need advice? Maybe once an episode we could do an advice question. For sure.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We used to give advice sometimes so people would ask us questions.

[Hope Woodard]

We always tell people what to do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, we love to, but specific. Yeah, I feel like specific problems like that. We always were like, it has to be low stakes advice because we didn't want to ruin anyone's life.

[Hope Woodard]

No, no. Low stakes. Or like what would you have done? Because it already happened when you're not like basing your life off of our decisions.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Almost like it's a ripoff of Am I the asshole?

[Hope Woodard]

Am I the asshole?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Where it's kind of like, here's the thing.

[Hope Woodard]

Was I in the wrong? Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What if we call it pick a side.

[Hope Woodard]

I fucking love it. My favorite, Murder at Gmail. I am so excited for these. This is like, this is a whole new. I could do 10 more years of this. Thanks for listening you guys. So much caffeine, stay sexy and don't get murdered.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Goodbye.

[Hope Woodard]

Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie?

[Georgia Hardstark]

This has been an Exactly Right production.

[Hope Woodard]

Our senior producers are Alejandro Keck and Molly Smith.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

[Hope Woodard]

This episode was mixed by Liana Squilacci.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Email your hometowns to my favorite murdermail.com.

[Hope Woodard]

And follow the show on Instagram at my favorite murder.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Listen to my favorite murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Hope Woodard]

And now you can watch us on exactly right's YouTube page. And while you're there, please like and subscribe.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Goodbye.

[Hope Woodard]

Goodbye.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Camp Shane, one of America's longest running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results. But there were some dark truths behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Nothing about that camp was right. It was really actually like a horror movie.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Enter Camp Shane, an eight part series examining the rise and fall of Camp Shane and the cultural culture that fueled its decades long success. You can listen to all episodes of Camp Shame one week early and totally ad free on I Heart True Crime plus so don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts and subscribe today.

[Hope Woodard]

I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all his wife Carolyn Line.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me.

[Hope Woodard]

How far would he go to cover up what he'd done?

[Georgia Hardstark]

The fact that you lied is absolutely horrific and quite frankly, I question how many other women are out there that may bring forward allegations in the future.

[Hope Woodard]

Listen to betrayal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Amy Robach and T.J. holmes. Here, Diddy's former protege, television personality Danity King. Alum Aubrey O' Day joins us to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation. It wasn't all bad, but I don't know that any of the good was real. I went through things there. Listen to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O' Day covering the Diddy trial on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.