MFM Minisode 445

Summary

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark Episode: MFM Minisode 445
Release Date: July 21, 2025
Network: Exactly Right and iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In MFM Minisode 445, hosts Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark delve into a collection of gripping true crime stories submitted by listeners. This episode presents a blend of chilling narratives, historical insights, and personal triumphs, all delivered with the show's signature mix of suspense and humor. Below is a detailed summary of the key segments, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps.

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1. A Hometown Murder in Southwestern Wyoming

Timestamp: [02:18] – [06:31]

A listener from a small town in southwestern Wyoming shares a harrowing tale of deceit and betrayal:

• The Tragic Accident: In 1996, Joe, a son of two school teachers, loses his wife and son in what appears to be a tragic accident near a lake overlooking a 200-foot cliff. (Quote: "Yes, all towns in Wyoming are small." [02:19])

• The Dark Twist: Three years later, in 1999, Joe is arrested for orchestrating the murders of his parents, hiring a local drug dealer and hitman to carry out the crime. (Quote: "This man is sick." [05:01])

• Exhumation Evidence: In 2000, the FBI exhumes the bodies of Joe's wife and son, uncovering evidence that shifts the narrative from accident to premeditated murder. (Quote: "What about statutory rape for dating a 13 year old?" [05:26])

• Conviction: Joe takes a plea bargain, resulting in a ten-year sentence for conspiracy to commit murder, but the town's gossip intensifies suspicions leading to more severe charges and a six-life sentence. (Quote: "You just can't go past that." [05:46])

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2. Unveiling a Family's Forgotten History in Ireland

Timestamp: [06:29] – [10:02]

A poignant story from Ireland uncovers deep family history and the true circumstances behind a patriarch's death:

• Family Legacy: Karen's great-great-grandfather, Peter O' Carroll, was a locksmith in Dublin and fathered several IRA members during the Irish War of Independence.

• Execution and Deception: On October 16, 1920, Peter was executed by British intelligence officer Jocelyn Lee Hardy with a note labeling him a "traitor," misleading the community into believing his death was random brutality. (Quote: "Holy shit." [08:15])

• Revelation: Decades later, through a DNA and family tree show, the truth about Peter's execution is revealed, highlighting his unwavering stance and protecting his children amidst brutal police tactics. (Quote: "He just was like, kill me then." [08:30])

• Emotional Impact: This discovery brings clarity and pride to Karen's family, emphasizing the importance of honoring ancestors' sacrifices. (Quote: "Trust your ancestors, and don't get murdered." [09:51])

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3. A Fart Machine Incident that Saved the Family

Timestamp: [12:44] – [17:08]

An amusing yet life-saving anecdote involving a remote-controlled fart machine:

• The Setup: During a family trip to Hot Springs, Arkansas, the youngest son becomes fascinated with a remote-controlled fart machine displayed in a toy store window. (Quote: "Some dresses are for errands, some dresses are for parties. And then there's Hill House for dresses." [00:35])

• The Accident: As the family leaves the store, a car crashes onto the sidewalk, threatening the family's safety. Amidst the chaos, a man falsely claims to have abducted the three-year-old brother. (Quote: "A car suddenly veered off the main street onto the sidewalk and smashed straight into a storefront only a few steps in front of us." [14:53])

• Resolution: The father's quick thinking and the distraction caused by the fart machine help the family avoid serious harm. The man demanding compensation is placated with a $20 bill, showcasing a blend of humor and relief. (Quote: "Without the fart machine, our entire family would have been in the exact spot where the car came speeding onto the street." [16:38])

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4. Favorite Prison Break in a Prison Town

Timestamp: [17:09] – [22:39]

A listener recounts a dramatic prison break that intersected with their high school theater experience:

• Background: Growing up near a prison in Lansing, Kansas, the listener describes the looming threat of escapees disrupting the community.

• The Break: During dress rehearsals for the high school musical "Beauty and the Beast," two armed fugitives escape, causing panic among the troupe. (Quote: "If I were an escaped prisoner and saw that on my way out of town, I would have turned around and broken back into prison." [21:02])

• Community Response: Despite the danger, the show must go on, highlighting the resilience and determination of the students and staff. (Quote: "I've been traumatized by it and so no child wants to." [18:18])

• Present Day: The listener, now a teacher, reflects on using their experiences to foster a safer and more supportive environment for current students. (Quote: "I feel like being back gives me a chance to make it better for someone else." [22:05])

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5. Therapy Dogs and Surviving Childhood Cancer

Timestamp: [25:04] – [27:06]

A heartfelt story illustrating the profound impact of therapy dogs during medical treatments:

• The Struggle: A listener shares their 15-year-old son's battle with recurring cysts on his arm, requiring chemotherapy and radiation treatments at Nationwide Children's Hospital. (Quote: "The therapy dogs would visit the oncology floor." [25:04])

• Emotional Support: During hospital stays, therapy dogs provided comfort and joy, becoming a beacon of hope and a highlight amid tough times. (Quote: "Those dogs demonstrated the power that animals can have on our lives." [25:35])

• Recovery: The son successfully becomes cancer-free, crediting the support from therapy dogs and the dedicated trainers who assist families facing medical challenges. (Quote: "I'm happy to report that my son is cancer free and is ready to start his sophomore year of high school." [25:35])

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6. Malibu Celebrity Encounters: The Streisand Wedding Mayhem

Timestamp: [27:11] – [33:00]

A listener from Malibu shares their frustrating experiences during Barbra Streisand's 1998 wedding:

• The Event: Barbra Streisand's wedding to James Brolin in Malibu attracts relentless paparazzi attention, causing traffic blockages and neighborhood chaos. (Quote: "The helicopter blew the brie off of our charcuterie board. Fuck you." [29:53])

• Community Impact: The persistent media presence disrupts the family's daily life, making summers unbearable with constant noise and intrusion. (Quote: "It's so difficult. I can't enjoy the pool. But noise." [29:57])

• Humorous Reflection: The listener humorously imagines celebrities as overbearing neighbors, highlighting the invasive nature of fame on personal privacy. (Quote: "I actually don't know why did I use that one. Bear claw." [30:54])

• Conclusion: Despite the negative experiences, the listener expresses a desire to return to Malibu in retirement, envisioning peaceful days away from the constant media frenzy. (Quote: "Stay sexy and keep your car doors locked." [32:12])

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Notable Quotes

• [05:01] Karen Kilgariff: "This man is sick."
• [08:15] Listener: "Holy shit."
• [16:38] Listener: "Without the fart machine, our entire family would have been in the exact spot where the car came speeding onto the street."
• [25:35] Listener: "I'm happy to report that my son is cancer free and is ready to start his sophomore year of high school."
• [29:53] Listener: "The helicopter blew the brie off of our charcuterie board. Fuck you."

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Conclusion

MFM Minisode 445 offers a diverse array of true crime stories that range from deeply personal family histories to bizarre incidents intertwining humor and danger. Karen and Georgia skillfully navigate these narratives, providing listeners with both intrigue and emotional resonance. The episode underscores the complex nature of human behavior, the importance of uncovering truth, and the unexpected ways in which individuals and communities find resilience.

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Stay Connected:
Listeners are encouraged to submit their own hometown murder stories to continue the engaging storytelling tradition of "My Favorite Murder." Follow the show on Instagram and subscribe on your preferred podcast platform.

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This summary was generated based on the transcript of MFM Minisode 445 and aims to provide a comprehensive overview of the episode's key points and discussions.

Transcript

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye. Hello and welcome to my favorite murder the Minisode.

[Unknown]

We read you your stories.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You go first.

[Unknown]

Okay. This is about a summer job at a cemetery. Hi Karen in Georgia Day one listener here since 2016 and first time writing you to tell you my hometown murder. I grew up in a small town in southwestern Wyoming. Yes, all towns in Wyoming are small.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's no towns in in Wyoming.

[Unknown]

In my late teens I worked at the cemetery for a summer job. For my first few years of College in the late 90s, early 2000s I worked on the grounds crew mostly mowing and repairing sprinkler systems. The job was relatively mundane until the FBI came to exhume two bodies one day while I was working.

I mean, that's for high school.

Did they say college?

[Karen Kilgariff]

College, yeah. That's like a big deal.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Rewind to 1996 when the son, we'll call him Joe, of two school teachers in the same town lost his son, son and wife in a tragic accident. The family was on a fun day trip near a lake in the high plains. They were overlooking a 200 foot cliff. And when Joe went to his car to get a soda, his wife and son fell to their deaths off the 200 foot cliff. It was a horrible accident and the whole small town rallied around Joe to support him. Fast forward to 1999 when Joe is arrested for hiring a hitman to kill his schoolteacher parents. The hitman was Joe's childhood friend and the local small town drug dealer. Jesus fucking Christ. However, this drug dealer has morals. So after Joe asked him to murder his parents, he reported it to the police and the FBI began listening in on their phone calls. It's a small town in Wyoming. I mean like this would be crazy in la.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In any. It's everywhere. It's like it's to the person, it's not the place where you are.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it's like someone gets a little.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Idea, this is what I'm gonna do.

[Unknown]

Joe eventually took a plea bargain to serve 10 years in prison for conspiracy to commit murder. Federal charges. However, small town gossip started around the possibility that maybe his wife and son's deaths were not an accident. The drug dealer hitman reported to the FBI that Joe had asked him to kill his wife and son about a month before their quote, accident. In 2000, while I was working at the cemetery, the FBI came and exhumed the bodies of his wife and son. In 2001, Joe was charged with the murders of his wife and son. The key witnesses were the drug dealer hitman and a young woman. The young woman was 13 years old when she met a then 23 year old married Joe and they started having an affair in 1996. She's 13. He told her that he wanted to get out of his marriage but didn't want to get a divorce because he didn't want to have to pay child support. He used to bring her on dates to the cliff that he would eventually throw his wife and son off.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This man is sick.

[Unknown]

This is so fun.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so bad.

[Unknown]

I can't believe we haven't heard of this. Also like what did they find from the exhumation? Because like that seems like you really wouldn't find much. But I guess.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or maybe they were drugged and because they didn't fall.

[Unknown]

Right. Or bruises that happened beforehand. I don't know. Joe was eventually convicted of two counts of first degree murder and the deaths of his wife and child. Two counts of soliciting their murders and two counts of soliciting his parents murders. And was sentenced to six life sentences. Thank God he didn't just get those 10 years.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What about statutory rape for dating a 13 year old?

[Unknown]

Can we do that too? Lord crazy. Even after hearing the FBI recorded conversation in Joe's own voice asking someone to murder his parents, his parents still supported him and did not believe he had tried to hire someone to kill them. You just. That's like you can't. No, no, you can't go past that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Unknown]

They also supported him through the murder trial of his wife and son. Stay sexy and don't hire the local small town drug dealer as a hitman. Shannon cpa.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She.

[Unknown]

Her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Shannon was at the core of everything happening in that tiny Wyoming town. Yeah. I mean, good God.

[Unknown]

At the cemetery. Oh my Lord.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Also that kind of thing where what a fascinating thing it would be to be like, here's the tragedy that everyone thought was a tragedy and you felt terrible about for 30 years.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then actually the last person in the world that deserves your sympathy or.

[Unknown]

If you hadn't then become even more greedy and tried to kill your own parents, you would have gotten away with it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Forever takes all kinds.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, we'll do similar. This is a crime based one as well. This object line is superhero great great grandparents. So it says. Hi folks, greetings from Ireland. This might be long, so for Jay's sake, let's get into it. Karen, this is your time to shine. Get your accent out. I'm just like. I can do that when it's me talking to you. When it's someone from Ireland. No thanks.

[Unknown]

Here, just think of that amazing guy who makes those videos. What's his name? I love him. Is it Sean? Jesus fucking Christ.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The I'm delicious guy?

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Blanking. I'm his number one fan. He's also coming to America at some point.

[Unknown]

I saw that. Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So there so many people tagged me where I'm like, you guys.

[Unknown]

Yeah, this is creepy now.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Please don't do it. Okay. So my great great grandfather Peter o' Carroll was a locksmith in Dublin during the Irish War of Independence. He was also the father of several active IRA members, including my great grandfather, Michael O'. Carroll. On October 16, 1920, Peter was shot and kill outside his shop on Manor Street. A note was pinned to his chest that said traitor, so that those who found him would believe that he had been a traitor to the Irish cause. For decades, our family and wider community believed that he had been murdered by the Black and Tans or the British forces in an act of random brutality. Years later, during an episode of who do youo Think youk Are? Which is that DNA, family trees type of show, my cousin, comedian Brendan o', Carroll, discovered the truth. Peter's death wasn't random at all. British forces had given him an ultimatum. Either turn in his IRA sons or face the consequences. When he refused, he was executed by Jocelyn Lee Hardy, a British intelligence officer infamous for his ruthlessness.

[Unknown]

Holy shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The revelation was both shocking and clarifying for our family. It painted a clearer picture of Peter, not just as a victim, but as a man who knowingly stood by his beliefs and protected his children in a time of brutal police violence.

[Unknown]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He just was like, kill me then.

[Unknown]

Totally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then they fucking pin traitor on him so that they think he's like an inside.

[Unknown]

And it's generations. Then, like, the Irish thing is, like, it doesn't matter how far removed you are. You're the traitor family.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right?

[Unknown]

What was the TV show called? That was so fucking good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Say Nothing.

[Unknown]

Say, oh, yeah, the book say Nothing. But the TV series was incredible as well.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Tell no one. Say Nothing.

[Unknown]

Say Nothing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It'd say nothing. Okay. As it happens, at the time, my great grandfather and his brothers were being hidden by the Capuchin monks in a church in Dublin, the same church my grandmother and father would be laid to rest in much later. I say I'm pagan but Catholic, a la carte from my upbringing, but I thank the deities every day that my great grandfather was given refuge so that I may know my grandmother and enjoy my father. It seems so very small, but in times of adversity, I rest my intuition in my ancestors. My father, great grandson of Peter O', Carroll, died very suddenly in his 50s. From the time I was very small, my father always said that those go before us, never truly leave us. I was barely 21 when my father died. I'm in my 30s now. Whenever I say, dad, I need you now, the issue just resolves itself. Thanks for letting me share. Stay sexy, trust your ancestors, and don't get murdered. All the best ladies to you and yours, always.

[Unknown]

E. Wow. That's epic.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Say nothing. Make sure you watch that TV show.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I mean that's incredible.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. So good. Thank you for that.

[Unknown]

So tragic that like that's the choice you had to make back then, you know, which is so unnecessary because you can't take over a fucking country.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But the sacrifices that people make in the day to day that we'll never hear about. It's such a cool thing to be able to tell that story where it's like that. Oh, Carol is one of many. Right.

[Unknown]

There's so many of the stories out there. Yeah, totally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Who people are just were like, well it's for the betterment of my children.

[Unknown]

Right. Amazing.

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[Unknown]

Goodbye.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye.

[Unknown]

This is embarrassing, but must be done. This one's called A Fart Machine. Saved my Family.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, okay. So it's kind of the same, you know, thematic.

[Unknown]

Oh my God. What is this show? Okay. Greetings, Karen, Georgia and pets. Longtime listeners, even longer time sisters, first time writing in together.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They're sharing the same chair.

[Unknown]

I love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Each one has their hand on one side of the keyboard. I love it. And they're fighting.

[Unknown]

They're absolutely pulling each other's hair. Here we go. To set the scene. We grew up in Little Rock, Arkansas, and while it was great, it was pretty easy to run out of things to do in town. So one spring day in the early 2000s, our parents packed up the Honda minivan with us and our brother and took us on a day trip an hour's drive south to the town of Hot Springs. After parking, we began walking down the main street toward a cafe for a bite to eat. The three of us kids and my mom were a little ahead of my dad, passing antique stores, ice cream parlors, and souvenir shops, when my dad spotted something in the window of a toy store and called us back to come look. As we peek through the glass, we see what my dad is staring at. A remote controlled fart machine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Dad, it's just.

[Unknown]

Yeah. In case you're not familiar, a remote controlled fart machine allows a prankster to hide the device in a couch or under a chair, push a button on the remote from afar. I mean, this is like high tech whoopee cushion.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No one needs this explanation in the.

[Unknown]

World and let one rip on an unsuspecting victim by emitting a fart noise.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And how is that battery operated or do you plug it into the wal?

[Unknown]

Well, now you have to charge it. This one in particular had a variety of different farts to choose from, varying in length and disgustingness. For my dad, as the youngest of eight kids growing up in the 60s, this was something he could have only dreamed of.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, true.

[Unknown]

As my dad and little brother stared in admiration, my mom, myself and sister waited impatiently While rolling our eyes. After about 30 seconds, we convinced the boys to move on. At the exact second we were dragging them away, a car suddenly veered off the main street onto the sidewalk and smashed straight into a storefront only a few steps in front of us.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The fart machine saved the family.

[Unknown]

Yeah, but it gets. That could be enough. But it gets weirder, okay? From that moment, chaos ensued. Shattered glass flew everywhere. People were screaming to call 911 and others went to check on the driver and the people stuck in the store. At one point, a woman in the store thought her baby was trapped under the car. Fuck. Fucking A. Unharmed by the crash, my siblings and I watched in shock from the side. Sometime during the mayhem, as my mom was on the phone with the police and my dad and others were checking that no one was under the car, I looked up and noticed that a man was now running away from the scene of the crash, carrying my three year old brother over his shoulder.

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Unknown]

I know. I panicked and screamed, he has my brother. Which caught the attention of bystanders and my parents, who hadn't noticed that their youngest child was being abducted. The man stopped, walked back and put my brother down and proudly exclaimed to my stunned parents, I saved him. The man then took the opportunity to request compensation for his, quote, heroic efforts. Picked him up and was like running out of the way of the car, but the car had already crashed.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, let's talk about compensation, right?

[Unknown]

Karen just put up two knuckle sandwiches.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, you can have these two sandwiches and then we've got. This whole crowd would like to seriously, I mean, how fucking running away. Where's that baby? Okay, go ahead.

[Unknown]

The baby's fine. The baby's fine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Unknown]

There's no baby under the car.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. Okay.

[Unknown]

My dad, in shock and wanting to end this interaction, handed him a $20 bill and grabbed my brother a FE. Effectively paying his ransom.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, fuck that guy, Dude. Chaos. Monster chaos.

[Unknown]

All in all, it was a freak accident and luckily no one had any major injuries. My brother doesn't even remember getting kidnapped or that my dad thought he was only worth $20. That's a really good point.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That is good.

[Unknown]

But he is still upset that he lost his beloved green Power Ranger toy at some point during it all. But had we not stopped to see the fart machine, our entire family would have been in the exact spot where the car came speeding onto the street. Stay sexy and always take time to stop and smell the fart machines. That's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was really good.

[Unknown]

Alison and Caroline, sister team.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, sister Team. Yeah, that was great, guys. As two sisters, you did an amazing job with that. One of you did a little bit better than the other.

[Unknown]

Well, we're not gonna tell you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We won't say. How do you know? What's crazy is that actually happened. Me and my sister, we were at my grandparents house. They lived in Sonoma, we lived in Petaluma. It's connected by Highway 12, where every 10 or so years high school students are killed. Cause it's a windy back road with almost no lighting. And my mom was like, we're leaving. Put your shoes on. But both me and my sister were taking a really long time. Cause MASH was on and we wanted to see the ending.

[Unknown]

How boring.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And so we.

[Unknown]

That's just what?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's all we had. It's all we had.

[Unknown]

I got it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I got it. So we basically delay my mom by 15 minutes essentially. And then as we drive home, come upon a like five car pile up on Highway 12. And I was like, we would have been here. And my mom's like, oh my God, you're completely right. Like I put it together where I was like, timing. This was us. This was a Final Destination situation. If it wasn't for the quality writing of Mr. Alan Alda and everybody else that worked on MASH.

[Unknown]

Look, I love Alan Alda. Don't fucking at me. I totally understand that. Everyone loves mash. It's actually a good show. Just as a child I was traumatized by it and so no child wants to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

To watch an army show.

[Unknown]

Exactly.

[Karen Kilgariff]

For the jokes. No, no.

[Unknown]

For the adult jokes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. No.

[Unknown]

Okay, go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. Oh, I forgot, that wasn't mine. This one is for all the theater kids out there.

[Unknown]

Oh, dear.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The subject line is, I grew up in a prison town. Here's a story about my favorite prison break. Okay. It says, hi, friends, let's jump right in. I just listened to the episode about the 2006 prison break in Lansing, Kansas, and immediately started squealing. That's my hometown. I'm here right now. The prison is only a few miles away. After calling my non mar Torino husband. That's a given. You don't have to say that.

[Unknown]

It's a double entendre. Is that what that is?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, it's redundant. Who feigned a lackluster interest in my excitement, I knew it was time to write to people who actually care. That's right.

[Unknown]

That's what we're here for.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We moved here when I was a junior in high school. My siblings and I were a little nervous about living so close to the correctional facility. But my parents reassured us if a prisoner escaped, their goal would be to get as far away from town as possible.

[Unknown]

That's a good point.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So, technically, Lansing might be one of the safest places to live.

[Unknown]

Oh, no, I still. You need to change your clothes real quick. And a car.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, sometimes you have to hurt a.

[Unknown]

Person for that car before you can leave the area. Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Listen, it's parent logic. They're like, here's why you never have to worry about this ever again.

[Unknown]

How about you shut the fuck up.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Eat your spaghetti with your fingers at the pool.

[Unknown]

That's from last episode.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, sorry. They were. But, man, don't you want to hear what that's all about? Good callback teaser. They were proved right on multiple occasions. But let me tell you about my favorite prison break. First, you need to know I'm a theater kid. Yes. One of those insufferably enthusiastic ones who unironically loved flash mobs and belted flash mobs and belted Wicked at the top of our lungs in the car. My senior year, our high school musical was Beauty and the Beast. We had a gorgeous set, a stunning cast, and our directors went all out and rented elaborate costumes for us. We were deep into dress rehearsals, and the costumes were not easy to move in, especially during the be our guest scene. I bet the silverware costumes were top heavy, and the plates were so wide, they could probably take out a freshman if you turned around too fast. Then we got an emergency notice. Two prisoners had escaped from the correctional facility that night. Matthew Glenn Allender and Chad Dwayne Amick were on the run. They were considered armed and dangerous. The biggest concern during prison breaks around here tends to be car theft. Since we are all naive teenagers, our entire cast had to shuffle outside and lock our cars before locking ourselves inside the auditorium to finish rehearsal.

[Unknown]

I say don't make it harder for them to get a car. Like unlock everyone's car and put your keys in there and get them out of there. Get out of there. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like, rather than carjacking someone in their car.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Very true. Especially a teen.

[Unknown]

That's my advice.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But also, now I'm gonna play the insurance adjuster. Hey, watch those rates. Okay? And in parentheses, it says, why didn't they cancel rehearsal during the prison break? Great question. I have no idea. The show must go on. I guess so. Then it says, I know the escapees were probably nowhere near the. But I like to imagine that what they would have seen if they had been a waddling teapot, silverware clumsily clanking together, high schoolers in giant cardboard plate costumes trying not to be knocked over by the wind, and two volunteer dads standing guard with baseball bats that they'd found in the prop room.

[Unknown]

Oh my God dad.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They were trying to look intimidating, but let's be real, they were just happy to be there. If I were an escaped prisoner and saw that on my way out of town, I would have turned around and broken back into prison. Fucking theater kids. And then it says these days I'm a teacher in Lansing and still an insufferable theater kid, but at least I'm a little more self aware. When people find out I teach at my old high school, they usually give me a weird look. High school was hell for a lot of people, but I feel like being back gives me a chance to make it better for someone else.

[Unknown]

I love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Maybe some of my students will have a better experience than my friends and I did. Every time you read one of these sweet emails about how a teacher changed someone's life, just know it works both ways. Oh, our students change our lives too. We love them unconditionally and we're always excited to hear from them again. Stay sexy and keep your car doors locked. Sarah. She her Sarah. That's nice.

[Unknown]

You're a beautiful person Sarah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Were you a plate or a fork?

[Georgia Hardstark]

We must know.

[Unknown]

And how much did those costumes cost? And who Where'd you get the money from?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, cardboard helmet? That makes sense.

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Unknown]

Therapy Dogs mfm Crew Human and Animal in episode 486, Georgia told the incredible story of Smokey the hero Dog and mentioned that Smokey was one of the inspirations for current therapy dogs. It made me want to tell my personal therapy dog story. My oldest son is 15 and is the dream child. Polite, responsible, sweet, the whole package. Last October we learned that my son would need to get chemotherapy and radiation treatment on cysts on his arm that kept coming back despite surgical removal.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Scary.

[Unknown]

As you can imagine, it threw our lives into total disarray. Each chemo round involved a three to four day admission at Nationwide Children's Hospital in Columbus, Ohio where we live. The absolute highlight of three admissions was when the therapy dogs would visit the oncology floor. When you're going through a tough time, having a sweet baby dog to snuggle for a bit is wonderful. Those dogs demonstrated the power that animals can have on our lives. The people who train these dogs are absolute heroes to families going through a difficult medical situation. I'm happy to report that my son is cancer free and is ready to start his sophomore year of high school. SSDGM and give your furry friends an extra squeeze for me. Chris, he, him and Cookie's in the sound booth right now too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Chris is like a new believer in like dog power and the effect of dogs on people.

[Unknown]

Like, we all. You didn't know that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You didn't know about dogs. You should get into dogs.

[Unknown]

Are you new to dogs?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cause you don't have to be going through bad shit either. You can just come home from work and be like, oh, my God. Thank God.

[Unknown]

That's a really good point. Just wake up in the morning.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's sweet, though. And I'm. Thank God. That's the story. Because how frightening. It's your beautiful, perfect first child.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then this thing happens. And I bet you, like those therapy dogs were as important for the family as they are for the patient.

[Unknown]

Totally. To see their kids smiling. I'm sure all the kids on that floor, little kids wanting to see that beautiful. Adopt, don't shop. Make sure you adopt. And turn your dog into a therapy dog. If he behaves better than Cookie.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right. Also, let's just wrap it up with something superficial and stupid.

[Unknown]

Great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And it says, Malibu Celebrity Encounters. How Barbra Streisand ruined the summer of 1998.

[Unknown]

In that summer, my cousins were neighbors with Barbra Streisand.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, really?

[Unknown]

In Malibu.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, point, counterpoint. So we should probably get them on the phone on a live line.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What if this was from one of your cousins?

[Unknown]

That's really weird. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. It says, greetings, all. And I just want to say this. Georgia has family that could actually counterpoint this. We have no stake in the Barbra Streisand game.

[Unknown]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Whatsoever. Oh, no shit's about to get talked about her.

[Unknown]

Oh, no. Okay, okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm just saying. I'm just here to read the email.

[Unknown]

Yeah. You're shooting gossip.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because that's what we ask people to do.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But this is for entertainment purposes only. Allegedly.

[Unknown]

Allegedly. Don't add us, Alan. Alda. Barbra Streisand.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't ask.

[Unknown]

We're big fans. Mash the whole fucking thing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Got that out of the way.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, so the email goes like this. Greetings, all. I know time is short, so I will jump right in. I attended college in the mid, late 90s in a beach town just north of Los Angeles where lots of celebrities reside. Unfortunately for me and my roommates, Barbra Streisand lived just across the highway from our condo complex in her massive compound. Well, that summer, Babs was getting married to James Brolin on July 1, 1998. I think they're still married. Yeah, I think it was real. And also, she has a mall in her basement. Did you know that no, she built a little shopping area so she could go shopping because she can't just go to the mall. I love that story. I'm gonna do that. Makes me sad for all that I know because it's an actual prison. She's in a prison of fame.

[Unknown]

Ye.

[Karen Kilgariff]

For all the negative things that are said about her. I'm gonna try to think of a positive.

[Unknown]

I mean, she's incredible actress.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How about it?

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just watched a thing where somebody did like a blind reaction to a Barry Gibb her song and they were freaking out and I was just like, who is this?

[Unknown]

Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Like this voice is incredible.

[Unknown]

We're just like really fucking Barbra Streisand. I love this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But this is different because this is about traffic in la and so everybody's.

[Unknown]

I remember my cousins talking about this wedding.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. Amazing. Okay, so they're getting married. She's marrying James Brolin on July 1, 1998. For all caps months ahead of the big event, the paparazzi and news vans were lined up on the highway in front of our home, which is truly a two lane highway.

[Unknown]

Yeah, pch for sure.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They blocked traffic. They blocked our driveway. Left garbage strewn all up and down the road. That's very irresponsible. And caused general mayhem 24 hours a day. All to try and get a glimpse of Barbara and James. As the nuptials approached, even more helicopters and news airplanes circled over the property, completely disrupting our pool and hot tub time.

[Unknown]

How dare you?

[Karen Kilgariff]

In Malibu. It's so difficult.

[Unknown]

I can't enjoy the pool. But noise.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The helicopter blew the brie off of our charcuterie board. Fuck you. We didn't get a moment of peace the entire summer. It was a total nightmare.

[Unknown]

It does the helicopter thing. If you live in la, if it's above your house for hours on end, you know how you want to just go crazy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's why I moved out of Silver Lake.

[Unknown]

Really? Yeah. It was nonstop for months on end. I would lose my mind.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. This is really more about the out of control paparazzi though, than anything else. It is. We did see Barbara in the flesh around town from time to time. She was not particularly pleasant or nice to encounter. I'll do the counterpoint. Can you imagine if every time you fucking went to get yourself a donut.

[Unknown]

Someone was judging you and gonna tell all their friends, Right? And then screamed at you?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Forcing an encounter. It's not the way they want it to be. They whip right around on you. She's a bitch.

[Unknown]

One of the cruelers Cruller, Crawler. Crawler.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Crawler.

[Unknown]

Crawler. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I actually don't know why did I use that one.

[Unknown]

I could have used anything else.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Go try it again. Bear claw.

[Unknown]

Bear claw. Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Never saw James, though. Or Josh. And then in parentheses, it actually says hubba hubba, which is hilarious. Did my mom write this email? We did see many other celebrities, but since our town was also their home, we were counseled as incoming freshmen to ignore them and let them go about their dates. So this is more of a general report because this person went to Pepperdine.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And so they're like, I went to Pepperdine from some other town where there's no celebrities.

[Unknown]

Totally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And was delivered into Celebrity Central.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And that Pepperdine was like, be cool. Don't give us a bad name.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. Don't make the Starbucks ban you.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So they say top sightings include Pierce Brosnan in parentheses. He's shorter than he looks on film. They all are. Woody Harrelson, Tom Hanks, and Rita Wilson in parentheses, Very nice people. Robert Downey Jr. In parentheses. This was during the bad years. So he was a mess. So glad he overcame his demon.

[Unknown]

Aw.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is literally just. We're hanging over the back fence right now.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Just gabbing with our neighbor.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's up in Malibu?

[Unknown]

Do you have any Chablis?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, and Nick Nolte. Always in a dirty brown bathrobe and bunny slippers in the middle of the day because he's Nick Nolte and he can do what he wants.

[Unknown]

It fits.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I no longer live in that dreamy little slice of California, but my friends and I plan on returning there someday when we are retired to live together once again at the beach, wear caftan, drink cocktails, and scare college students with our bad grandma antics. Love the podcast. Keep Em coming. Ssdgm.

[Unknown]

Love B. Wow, that's a good one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Truly. Actually not. We didn't have to be defensive of Barbara because there was.

[Unknown]

It wasn't about that. It wasn't like the flowers were tacky. No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was like, not at all. It wasn't a takedown. No. Except for the thing of the criticism, which is just like, just. Just truly try to put yourself also to that level. She's been famous since Broadway in the early 60s.

[Unknown]

Broadway?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no. I did Broadway.

[Unknown]

Yeah. For sure. So our message to you is give Barbara a break.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Leave Barbara alone.

[Unknown]

Leave Barbara alone. Thank you for listening.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Stay sexy.

[Unknown]

Don't get murdered.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye, Malibu Elvis.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Do you want a cookie?

[Karen Kilgariff]

This has been an exactly right production.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This episode was mixed by Liana Squillace.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Email your hometowns to my favorite murder.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Gmail.Com and follow the show on Instagram at My Favorite Murder Listen to My.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Favorite murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And now you can watch us on exactly right's YouTube page. And while you're there, please like and subscribe.

[Unknown]

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