MFM Minisode 487

Summary

My Favorite Murder Minisode 487 – May 11, 2026

Hosts: Karen Kilgariff & Georgia Hardstark
Podcast Network: Exactly Right and iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This Minisode of My Favorite Murder continues the tradition of sharing listener-submitted "hometown" true crime and personal stories. Karen and Georgia blend true crime chills with relatable humor, dramatic storytelling, and their signature rapport, covering everything from networking with serial killers, sleepwalking mishaps, and mistaken identity tragedies, to pet heroics and prankster dads.

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Key Stories & Discussion Points

1. Networking with the Gilgo Beach Serial Killer

[02:53–08:22]

• Listener Email from Katie M.: Katie, a professional organizer in NYC, recounts her shock at discovering she had been in a networking group with Rex Heuerman, later revealed as the Gilgo Beach serial killer.

  • She shares her journey: switching careers, starting her own company, and finding support in Karen and Georgia's "tales of woe and rants."
  • Recounts Heuerman as "sweet, likable, professional, and just an overall nice guy." She and her group later get bombarded by reporters.
  • Reveals, “The president of my group even called that his law and order pose. The irony is too much to handle.” (Karen, 06:35)
  • Katie reflects on how serial killers can be inconspicuous: “The thing is, I didn’t feel threatened. I didn’t notice anything off. Because these men are psychopaths that perfect living double lives… They’re just cowards who targeted sex workers as he deemed these women less than. But these victims were not less than.” (Karen, 07:00)
  • Provides an update: Heuerman pled guilty to the murders of seven women and admitted to an eighth.

• Hosts’ Reflections:

  • “It’s so inconspicuous, you would never know. So is there someone you know…?” (Georgia, 08:22)
  • They discuss empathy, the unknowability of people, and how normalized these stories now seem to the true-crime community.

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2. The Sleepwalking Intruder

[09:06–13:21]

• Listener Story from Audrey: As a child, Audrey sleepwalks into a stranger’s house one night while her family investigates a hit-and-run involving her brother’s car.

  • The family was staking out a suspect’s vehicle; Audrey, half-asleep, enters a neighbor's unlocked home, lies on their couch, and falls asleep.
  • “I slipped out of the backseat and up the walkway of a random house... I laid down on the couch and fell back asleep.” (Audrey, read by Georgia, 11:27)
  • Her mom’s panic on discovering Audrey missing is vividly described: “A blood-curdling scream coming from outside. My mom was absolutely losing her shit.” (Georgia, 12:06)
  • The next day, Audrey retrieves her towel from the amused homeowners, who found the incident hilarious.

• Hosts’ Commentary:

  • “Be cool to your neighbors or they’ll fucking narc on you.” (Georgia, 10:18)
  • “Stay sexy, don't flee the scene of a crime, and lock your fucking doors so people don't sleepwalk into your living room.” (Georgia, 13:21)

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3. Robbed at Prom

[16:33–21:39]

• Listener Story from Jenny: Jenny shares how her emergency cash and borrowed earrings were stolen at her lock-in senior prom at Dave & Buster’s.

  • The thief: a girl not from her school, who sat down and distracted Jenny with small talk before swiping her purse contents.
  • “It turns out she was robbing me while I was sitting there with my eyes closed.” (Jenny, read by Karen, 19:20)
  • Jenny later identifies the girl in photos, only to learn she was a known kleptomaniac and not a student.
  • Expresses rueful admiration: “Forever be somewhat impressed by THE AUDACITY to be asked to a prom at another school only to spend your evening robbing everyone.” (Jenny, 21:23)

• Hosts’ Commentary:

  • “She robbed many people that night... This little klepto's just going around fucking—” (Georgia, 20:51)
  • “I hope that girl turned out okay. Bless her heart.” (Georgia, 21:39)

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4. The Mistaken Identity Tragedy

[22:08–26:45]

• Listener Story from Margaret: A harrowing tale of two Taylor University students misidentified after a horrific van accident in 2006.

  • Two blonde women—one dead, one severely injured—are confused; the wrong family grieves and even buries the wrong daughter.
  • “Laura’s sister Lisa glimpsed a new belly button piercing and thought to herself, ‘Spring break.’” (Margaret, read by Georgia, 24:26)
  • Weeks later, the survivor reveals her true identity: “Lisa was sitting alone with her sister. When Laura said her name was Whitney Cerak and her parents were Newell and Colleen, Lisa said, ‘Our suspicions had been building and in that moment I just knew that she was right.’” (Margaret/Georgia, 24:42)
  • Led to new laws on victim identification and a book, Mistaken Identity.

• Hosts’ Reactions:

  • “That's exactly what you want to happen when you find out someone you love dies—you fantasize about it.” (Karen, 26:12)
  • Both are visibly shaken by the emotional whiplash and the nightmare for both families.

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5. Pet Hero: Charlie the Doberman/Border Collie

[29:46–35:18]

• Listener Story from Kaylee: In Calgary, Kaylee is knocked unconscious after slipping on ice while running. Her dog Charlie runs to find help.

  • Charlie leads a passerby back to Kaylee, facilitating a rescue and calling emergency contacts to get Charlie safely home.
  • “Charlie led my rescuer right back to me, whereupon they found me lying unconscious… with my leg facing the wrong way.” (Kaylee, read by Karen, 32:49)
  • “She also has developed the same fear of ice that I have. Penguin shuffle for the win.” (Kaylee, 34:20)
  • Hosts gush over Charlie’s heroism and the deep human-animal bond.

• Notable Host Quotes:

  • “I think she smells like Fritos, and I want to rub her haunches and give her scritches.” (Karen, 35:13)
  • “Big shout out to the everyday heroes of our world, both animal and human.” (Kaylee, 34:52)

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6. Prank Dad: Handcuffed Sisters

[35:19–37:22]

• Listener Story from Hill: Growing up with two sisters and law enforcement parents, Hill’s dad handcuffs the bickering trio together as a prank/punishment—then realizes the keys are at his workplace, an hour away.

  • “He realized his handcuff keys were at work. So, yes, we had to drive over an hour handcuffed together to get his keys.” (Hill, read by Georgia, 36:03)
  • Dad presents them to bemused coworkers at the police station: “He just shrugged and said, ‘Kids, am I right?’” (Hill, 36:29)
  • The sisters never forgot the incident but, of course, continued fighting in the years after.

• Hosts’ Take:

  • “It’s the definition of fuck around and find out. He fucked around and he found the fuck out.” (Georgia, 37:22)
  • Karen reflects on the chaos of raising three girls: “Although I don't envy anyone with three daughters. Mayhem.” (Karen, 37:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Stay sexy and don’t do business with serial killers.” (Katie M., read by Karen, 07:20)
• “Be cool to your neighbors or they'll fucking narc on you.” (Georgia, 10:18)
• “Forever be somewhat impressed by THE AUDACITY...” (Jenny, 21:23)
• “That's so horrible.” (Karen, reacting to the mistaken identity, 25:32)
• “Big shout out to the everyday heroes of our world, both animal and human.” (Kaylee, 34:52)
• “It’s the definition of fuck around and find out. He fucked around and he found the fuck out.” (Georgia, 37:22)

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Structural Highlights and Flow

• Listener-submitted stories are king: Each email introduces a new story, read conversationally, with the hosts riffing, empathizing, and adding insight or humor.
• Discussions frequently veer into the psychology of crime, community quirks, or host tangents (e.g., cleaning makeup, prom chaperones, the anxiety and humor of parenting, what ice gets like in Calgary).
• Emotional notes range from shock (“That was horrible”), hilarity over pranks and awkwardness, to earnest admiration for animal and human compassion.
• Call to Action: Listeners encouraged to send more sibling stories and hometowns (37:47).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:53–08:22]: Gilgo Beach serial killer networking story
• [09:06–13:21]: Sleepwalking into a neighbor’s house
• [16:33–21:39]: Robbery at Senior Prom
• [22:08–26:45]: Taylor University mistaken identity tragedy
• [29:46–35:18]: Pet hero Charlie’s rescue
• [35:19–37:22]: Prank Dad and the handcuffed sisters

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, playful, and candid: Karen and Georgia laugh, groan, and offer commentary that balances levity with seriousness.
• Community-driven: Listener stories are the focal point, often sparking personal recollections or open questions to the audience.
• Empathetic and irreverent: They honor victims and survivors, but never miss a beat milking absurdity, irony, or awkwardness for comedic gold.

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Conclusion

MFM Minisode 487 delivers a satisfying blend of horrifying, hilarious, and heartwarming stories, with Karen and Georgia’s chemistry shining throughout. Listeners are left with both chills and chuckles, and the ever-present invitation to share their own hometown stories.

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Stay sexy and don’t get murdered!

Transcript

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Hello and welcome to my favorite murder, the Minisode.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I said that dramatically.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You did it Great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did you like it? I did. Should I say give you more of an upbeat take?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Sure. Try it again.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The minisode.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hey. It felt terrible, didn't it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was horrible. Should we go back to one?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The miniso.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There you go. I'm gonna let you go first since you were such a pro at that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thanks so much. I appreciate the condescension. Okay. This is quite an email I have for you right now. Do you know about this one? There's no way you could know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know what I know and I don't know what I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was just wondering if they're like, karen's got the email. They had to warn you about. About this beforehand. No, the subject line of this email is, I was in a networking group with the Gilgo beach serial killer. That's why I asked. So this is an email from 2024.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This case feels like it's been going on for 60 years.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Feel when it just broke.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep, he just pled guilty. So this says, hey, you two. In January 2016, right when you started the podcast, I switched careers from a deeply unhappy corporate cog to starting my own professional organizing business.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God. Amazing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God. I did that yesterday and it was to like my beauty stuff. I could have done it for fucking hours and hours.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You spring. Cleaned your. Your makeup.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Basically shameful and fulfilling at the same time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You have to put a little bag aside for the people whose skin tone your makeup actually is for when you bought it and were like, now I can never use this again.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, everyone gets something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, right. Okay, so cut to present day. I'm incredibly happy and proud of the company I have built, and I'm fortunate enough to love my clients and my work. Switching careers is no Jo. So the first few years were filled with anxiety, awkwardness, mistakes, and questioning if I made the right choice. Hearing your lovely rants and tales of woe consistently twice a week helped really get me through those growing pains years. So I can't thank you enough for that. That's all the podcast has been. Tales of woe and rants. Yeah, Perfectly encapsulated. What you guys have to give is so special, and I'm grateful to enjoy it. But back to it. I belong to a networking group in New York City for my organizing business. It's a great group of professionals who take what they do very seriously, but not themselves. A perfect combination. I Was pumped when an architect joined. I've worked with lots of architects in the past to help design more organized and efficient spaces for my clients. When I first met him, I will admit I felt a little wary because he was missing a front tooth.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The fuck?

[Karen Kilgariff]

But the more I got to know him, he proved to be sweet, likable, professional, and just an overall nice guy. I, along with the other members of the group, attended lots of meetings, happy hours and coffees with him. I had countless email exchanges and calls with him over a cool project he wanted my help on from one of his famous filmmaker clients. Storage rooms that needed decluttering. So a year ago, when I pulled up the news and saw his face and name on every headline, to say I was shocked is the understatement of the century.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like someone you know, regularly, professionally. That's fucking. Is a serial killer a serial killer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It also points back to, like, you know them, but from the Internet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We all have that. Like, it's a different. But we're used to it. So it's kind of like, well, yeah, we like the same things. Yeah, we know each other.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How normal his life is. You can. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Turns out that affable guy was none other than Rex Uerman, the Gilgo beach serial killer. Jesus. All the members of my group started getting calls from reporters asking for comments about how we were feeling, knowing we had been doing business with an actual serial killer. You know that professional picture of him floating around the Internet with his arms crossed? He only got that photo taken because my group kept teasing him about how he had no pictures of himself. The president of my group even called that his law and order pose. The irony is too much to handle.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I've felt wrecked by the thought of the combination of deep sadness and relief for the families of the victims. As the news of his arrest has come out, friends and family keep asking if I've ever suspected anything, ever felt threatened or weird around him. Whenever I hear stories of serial killers who operate in plain sight, I always think, how could no one in his life know? There must be something off that people are ignoring. But the thing is, I didn't feel threatened. I didn't notice anything off.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Didn't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because these men are psychopaths that perfect living double lives. But he's also no mastermind. I think he's just a coward who targeted sex workers as he deemed these women less than. But these victims were not less than. They didn't deserve to be senselessly murdered and heinously discarded. I hope he receives the Maximum punishment for robbing these women of their lives and their families of their peace. Stay sexy and don't do business with serial killers. Katie M. And then here's just a quick update, because when Katie sent this email, only three of the victims, he had been arrested for their murders. And now that there's a longer list, we figured we'd save all the names till the end. On April 8th, Rex Heuerman pled guilty to the murders of seven women. Megan Waterman, Melissa Barthelemy, Amberlynn Costello, Maureen Brainard Barnes, Valerie Mack, Jessica Taylor, and Sondra Castilla. He admitted to killing an eighth woman, Karen Vergata, though he has not been formally charged with her murder.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow. And doesn't it make you think, like, it's so inconspicuous, you would never know. So is there someone that you know that maybe isn't a serial killer, but

[Karen Kilgariff]

is that has that piece of them that totally doesn't care and has no empathy and is truly cut off that way?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, who could it be? Which is like, fine, if you don't fucking kill people, you can. Like, we all have different personality issues, but Jesus. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, and also just that we have gotten to this point where now. Which is such a relief.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where people get to write in and go, hey, I did business with this person.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally, totally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just like the Ted Bundy story.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So scary.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. I'm not going to read you the subject line. Hi, MFM gang and its furry associates. I recently listened to your episode about the sleepwalking murderer, and I decided to share my sleepwalking story. I could have just read you this fucking subject line. It's a sleepwalking story. I thought I was being really clever.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're going to save it. And they immediately ruined the secret.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yep. I think I was around 8 or 9 when this happened. I grew up in Vacaville, California, which is where Paul Holes is from. Hashtag hotforholes. And my childhood home was on a very busy street. One night, someone came flying around the corner and my brother's car was sideswiped. The driver fled the scene, but my brother saw that the vehicle was a large maroon suv. Knowing that the driver's car would have extensive damage, my brother made flyers and posted them around town. This was before the days of social media, hoping someone would have information for him. A few days later, while my family was enjoying a day on the lake with some friends, my brother got a call from a guy who said his neighbor drives a maroon Suburban and the passenger side of the car was torn up Ooh. The guy gave my brother his address. Oh, the neighbor's a fucking narc.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He's just like, here, go solve that problem for yourself.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He's like, blast Metallica at fucking midnight.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, exactly.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Here you go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, yeah, fair enough. See what you can do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fair enough. Be cool to your neighbors or they'll fucking narc on you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The guy gave my brother his address, and he told him that the car was parked in the driveway next door.

[Karen Kilgariff]

God, does.

[Georgia Hardstark]

My brother ran to tell my mom, and she said that we would drive by the house on our way home from the lake. We got into town super late, and I was asleep in the backseat. I was still in my bathing suit, and I had my beach towel wrapped around me. We pulled up to the house where the vehicle was parked, and my mom whipped out a camera to snap some pictures. This is when camera phones were just becoming a thing. So I'm pretty sure she ended up using a disposable camera from Walgreens or some shit like that. Oh, bring them back.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I wonder if that's what people used to do for, like, accidents and stuff, like keep a disposable camera in your car.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Motorcycle riders do that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do they really?

[Georgia Hardstark]

They did that? Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Back when it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Before GoPro, I saw a guy get in a fucking gnarly motorcycle accident. I got out and went over to him, and he goes, hey. On the ground. Like, after he woke up. Hey, there's a fucking disposable camera under my seat. Use the whole roll. Get everything. Oh, and I fucking read a letter. I just remembered this part of the story. Like, I knew about that, but I forgot about that part.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's so weird.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I just fucking. And I had. I was driving my Vespa at the time, so I was like, I got you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. We're motorbike friends.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So wait a second. You came upon this accident?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It happen directly in front of me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So you were a witness?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Holy shit. It was. He was okay. I hope. I don't know. Maybe not. I stuck my phone number in his backpack. Okay. He never called me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, he was in the hospital with all four limbs in the air.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's pretend.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Come on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. While my mom and brother were going full Vogue cover shoot on the Suburban, I slipped out of the backseat and up the walkway of a random house a few doors down. I must have thought that we were home. I opened the front door, and this is where I vaguely remember walking into a house that smelled like smoke. However, I was so tired that I Laid down on the couch and fell back asleep. I remember that the living room was arranged exactly like ours at home and they had their TV on. I awoke a few minutes later to the sound of a blood curdling scream coming from outside. My mom was absolutely losing her shit. She thought I was kidnapped and was screaming my name up and down the block. I remember waking up and looking around, wondering where the hell I was. I walked right out the front door, left it wide open, and yelled to my mom, I'm right here. She was crying and completely freaking out. The next morning, I told my mom that we had to go back to the house because I left my favorite beach towel on their living room couch. We went back and told the people who lived there what happened. They thought it was hilarious.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, that is hilarious. And they missed the whole thing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, but then they came out and the door is wide open and there's a towel on the floor. Like, what?

[Karen Kilgariff]

And their dog Rusty ran away.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, Rusty.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Not really.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All of that could have been avoided if one, the asshole never hit my brother's car and fled the scene, and two, those people locked their fucking doors. Luckily, everyone ended up fine. I was safe. I got my favorite beach towel back and my brother ended up getting money for the damage the guy caused to his car.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Nice.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Nice. Stay sexy. Don't flee the scene of a crime and lock your fucking doors so people don't sleepwalk into your living room.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Audrey, this is such a close neighborhood. They're like, we caught him. Get over here.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Come on in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just go to sleep on your neighbor's couch. Oh, that's so. That's so funny. If you woke up and you were like us. You're a 12 year old like us, where it's like, someone's been here. And then you start taking pictures of the inside of your house brought to

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. Goodbye. I'll read you this subject line since it works. I was robbed at Prom. Dearest, darlingest Karen in Georgia. In episode 475, Karen told us about the time she was robbed by a lady in the sunglasses store on Hollywood Boulevard. Remember that one?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

When she was like at a 20 sticking out of my pocket, but I forgot.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And she was like, hello. This reminded me of something that happened to me at senior prom in the year 2003. I've just turned 40, so this was some time ago, but you never forget this kind of thing. While we all had the stereotypical prom, like every other school in America, all the parents of seniors joined together to plan something called Snap Senior Night after prom, where they literally rented out a Dave and Buster's from 11pm to 8am As a ploy to keep all of us from partying after prom. Oh, that's smart.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

After the dance. Seriously. Our parents were like, go stand in a field for all we care.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Here's alcohol. Yes. Here's some warm beer and zma. Get the fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

One of us will go on a cruise. The understanding is you will stay indoors. So it says after the dance, we all rode in our limos and cars to Dave and Buster's, turned in our suit jackets, dresses, purses, et cetera, changed clothes and were basically locked in all night. It was actually pretty fun. It's very smart. As you can imagine, after a long night of dancing and then being locked in with your entire senior class, the 8am hour at the Dave and Buster's was rough.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, everyone was over it. We were all tired physically and also tired of each other. Friendships ended. Not Dave and Buster's girlfriends, dumped boyfriends. It was a lot of togetherness. My friend group remained somewhat intact as the sun came up and we agreed to gather our things and meet at a small staircase at the front of the building while we waited to be picked up. That. Sorry, that just reminds me of. I've told you, when we went to senior night at Disneyland, I was immediately like, at 11:30, I'm like, I'm done. I'm gonna lay down on a bench. And it's almost like that is your first teenage test of what you're gonna be like to party with.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And people are just like, yes, no. Yes, no. It's like, I'm gonna go home and go to bed. Who can party? Yep. Who can stay up all night? I was down there first. So I sat on the stairs with all my crap, laid my head down on my giant cobalt blue puffy dress, and closed my eyes, waiting for my friends. Within a few Seconds. A random girl sat next to me. I opened my eyes to see that she was a fellow prom attendee, but I didn't know her or recognize her, but she seemed like she wanted to chat. Did you have fun? What did you do last night? Did you go bowling? I was in no mood for small talk with a girl I didn't know. So I closed my eyes again and gave very short, curt answers, hoping she would catch my vibe. And she eventually walked away. It turns out she was robbing me while I was sitting there with my eyes closed. What were you doing last night to Joe? Fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You'd think a lock in would be safe. Like, I would definitely not watch my purse. I mean, I would watch it, but I wouldn' be worried.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You wouldn't be on alert?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You'd think you could just sleep on some stairs like a normal person. It's so crazy. When our parents picked us up, my dad asked me for his cash. That's right before we left for prom, my dad handed me $200 cash to use in case of emergency. None of us had credit cards, but it was to be returned immediately after we got done at David Buster's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It wasn't spending money. It was emergency money for flat tires, et cetera. As we lived in a rural area and the prom was in the big city, I had the cash in my tiny silver purse along with some earrings my sister had lent me. When my dad asked for this money, I opened my little purse and found it to be empty. Earrings and cash all gone. I was so confused because my purse had been in my possession all night. Except for when it was checked into the purse, check monitored by volunteer parents, and then immediately handed back to me. I knew it was the girl that had sat next to me making awkward conversation while my eyes were closed. A few days later at school, people were sharing photo albums, and I saw the girl in a photo and it immediately jumped out at me. That's her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's the girl who sat next to me and stole my money and earrings. She was the date of a guy in my government class. So I sought him out and said, hey, do you know your date robbed me at Dave and Buster's? Who is she? He felt bad and said other people from within his own group had told him the same thing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This girl's. This little klepto's just going around fucking.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She robbed many people that night.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Girl, I want to be friends with this girl, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, she was like, on one. He didn't Know her well, he said. And she didn't go to our school. I would hope not. They open her locker, all everybody's stuff pours out cash. I saw the assistant principal who informed me that she didn't go to our school, so there was nothing that they could do. I felt so bad about losing my dad's money and even more guilty about losing my sister's earrings as they were special to her. I will forever regret trying to ignore her. Yet I will also forever be somewhat impressed by all caps. The audacity to be asked to a prom at another school only to spend your evening robbing everyone.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Love y' all so much. Ssdgm. And don't ignore awkward conversations in a Dave and Buster's While you have 47 bobby pins in your hair.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Jenny, that. I hope that girl turned out okay. Bless her heart, I hope.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, I hope this was maybe. And I'm not saying this is justified, although it is. Like, it's a rich kid's school. She gets invited to the prom. She's like, I'm going back to the other side of the tracks and I'm gonna collect. I'm gonna fill my pockets, or vice versa. She's like, I'm rich and no one will ever prosecute me, so I'm gonna rob all these poor people, whatever it is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Please write in. We know you. Just write us an email.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. This one's called Mind Blowing Guaranteed Podcasting princesses. I doubt you've ever heard a story like this one which took place in my home state of Michigan several years back. On April 6, 2006, a van carrying nine students from Taylor University in Indiana was returning to school from an event when a semi truck lost control, crossed the median and hit the van, killing five passengers. Two of the Taylor students were from Michigan, just north of Indiana. And when the county coroner was done, one of the Michigan girls was dead while the other had survived badly injured. I know. I hate these fucking stories.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, also, just that thing of like the older kids get and they leave the house, the risk is just increasing. Nora just went on long drive by herself and my sister was like, she's an adult. I can't be like, you're not allowed to.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's one of the reasons I don't want kids. I just. I couldn't do that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so. Yeah, so tough.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. The students were identified through purses and IDs scattered around the scene. The body of blonde 18 year old Whitney Sarek was transported home to Gaylord, Michigan, where her devastated Family grieved her loss, a funeral and buried her in the local cemetery. The surviving Michigan student, also blonde, was unresponsive, but was identified through an ID laying near her as 22 year old Laura Van Ryn and was airlifted to a nearby ER and trauma center where she was stabilized. When her family rushed to her side, they were told to expect she would not look like herself with bandages around her face and tubes in her head and mouth. Over the next five weeks, after Laura's family had her move to a facility near their home in Grand Rapids, Michigan, they kept up a vigil at her bedside that at times left them baffled. Laura called them false parents in a way they thought was lovingly teasing. Once she regained her speech, she would often whisper Whitney. When therapists or nurses called her Laura, when an aunt insisted, I don't care what anyone says, that doesn't look like Laura to me. Laura's father assured her that this was natural. Laura's sister Lisa glimpsed a new belly button piercing and thought to herself, spring break. Finally, at the end of five weeks, Lisa was sitting alone with her sister. When Laura said her name was Whitney Sarek and her parents were Newell and Colleen, Lisa said, quote, our suspicions had been building and in that moment I just knew that she was right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But you would have every reason to be like, no, no, no, this can't

[Georgia Hardstark]

be psychologically and logically too, because you're being told those things.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's not, yeah, the official people are saying this is what's happening.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

But you'd also be like, great, totally. She's alive when she's here.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Laura and Whitney's identities had been mixed up by people helping at the accident scene. They looked alike, with blonde hair and similar builds and facial features. Whitney's sister Carly, also a student at Taylor, had not been able to bring herself to identify the actual body at the morgue after being told her sister had been killed. After mourning for five weeks, Whitney Saric's family were informed that Whitney was still alive. And Laura Van Rijn's family had to accept that Laura, who they thought they had been caring for, was gone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's so horrible.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The bizarre, tragic accident would later prompt Indiana lawmakers to enact stricter guidelines regarding coroners identifying victims of fatal crashes. On March 28, 2008, Dateline NBC aired an episode regarding this mix up titled A Twist of Fate. And the two families involved have written a book entitled Mistaken Identity.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, I wanna read that book.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Oh, can you fucking imagine?

[Karen Kilgariff]

But then that means they, like, work together. Like.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Stay sexy and always view the body, Margaret.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean,

[Georgia Hardstark]

how, like. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think the thing that's really making me catch my breath is that that's exactly what you want to happen when you find out that someone you love dies.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You fantasize about that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Exactly. And then five weeks later to find out you've been grieving for five weeks. You've gone through so many feelings and emotions and just devastation. And then you get your person back. Yep.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And Whitney's laying there and they're calling her the wrong name and she's in this state. She kind of probably doesn't even really know what's going on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Trying to say who. I mean.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That could have been a full episode story that really.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That really could.

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

We were just talking about this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, I've been using the Maybelline Instant Eraser concealer for years. I think the convenience of the little spongy swab at the top. Yeah, you just dabbed dab dab. And it's just enough so that you don't overdo it with your concealer. Yeah, and mine is the pink. The 160 which is the pink color correcting so it like brightens up your under eyes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm immediately using it. Find your shade of instant Eraser concealer at your local retailer. Goodbye.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Need more? You've got standard 100 watt USB C ports to keep every device powered and

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

562-314-4603 for complete details. Goodbye. I'm gonna change it up with a little pet hero story.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It starts. Hello from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I suck at intros so please excuse my lack thereof. Just know that I love you. You asked for pet hero stories and this is something that I can at least deliver. Back in the spring of 2012 I was in my final year of uni and was big into running that. My then puppy, a female Doberman Pinscher Border Collie named Charlie was my enthusiastic companion on these jaunts. A border collie Doberman pinscher. Like the most springy dog ever made.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They don't really go together, but I'm sure it's bowling.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like all muscle and excitement. It was a warm 11 degrees Celsius in today's money. 34:52 Afternoon in late March. I should have told you what month it was. And a Chinook wind had recently come through the city, melting most of the snow off the sidewalks and Trails that I frequented. Side note, Calgary is locally known for its warm chinook winds, which come off the oceans from the southwest, blowing inland to the north.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Is she a weatherman?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know. And generally boosting our outside temperatures for several days at a time. And then in parenthesis, it says hallelujah. I think everyone's a weatherman when they live in Calgary. You better know. You better know what's happening.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This specific day, I grabbed Charlie, laced up my running shoes without my ice cleats and took off. Bad idea.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fucking stay home. You can take today off.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You know when you. You know when you forget your ice cleats and you really regret it later on?

[Georgia Hardstark]

And it's 11 degrees Celsius.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Celsius. We're like, hey, we're from California.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. And you're. And you're in grade six and you're. And you wanna.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You wanna get into the boot, but you can't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, wait, that's British. I made it through most of my normal route and was literally approaching the final descent on my stretch home about five minutes from my house when I hit a patch of black. Things happened fast and I don't remember much as I passed out from the pain.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Woke up briefly in the ambulance.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Then passed out again. But I did later get some details that had been shared with the paramedics upon their arrival at the scene.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I fall and you get knocked out. Like that is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And it's. Cause I've seen, like I've seen video, people just. All of a sudden you're just tripping on the ground because there's a patch of ice that you can't see.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, it's just scary.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So it says. Apparently Charlie, who was still on leash at the time of my fall, was able to run down the trail, barking furiously. She got the attention of the next passerby she found, who luckily had some medical training. Even luckier, this person noted the dragging leash and the purpose with which Charlie moved away. And then stopped to wait to see if they would follow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Charlie.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Charlie. Good boy. Charlie's doing it. They did. Charlie led my rescuer right back to me. Whereupon they found me lying unconscious on the ground with my leg.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Facing the wrong way.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And immediately called for help. I ended up breaking my leg. In how many places? Five places.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's too many places.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Needing two places. That means the femur is definitely involved. Dang it. Probably, yeah. Needing two plates surgically implanted. And I was in the hospital for 11 days. Thankfully, not in life threatening cond. And editorial note. Thankfully, in Canada, where it's free.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Congratulations.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're gonna get there one day. America, we are gonna get there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Can you imagine everyone not going bankrupt from a fucking accident because you slipped? Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It scares me to think of how long I may have been lying on a cold sidewalk if not for Charlie and my rescuer. It makes me even more sad that I never got the name of my rescuer to thank them for everything they did that day after helping. What? What?

[Georgia Hardstark]

You should have put your phone number in his backpack just like I did. See? Yeah, I was right. He could have fucking helped me. Or you could have fucking thanked me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is why we all need business cards. Not for business, but for pleasure. Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

At me, bro. On your business card.

[Karen Kilgariff]

At me to thank them for everything they did. And after helping see me into the ambulance, they called the phone numbers on Charlie's ID tags and got ahold of my then roommate and were able to get Charlie home safely too. So they took over.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Come on. Good person. Forward.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Good person.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Good, good. Canadian. Charlie's now 13 years old, has mild arthritis, but still loves to go for slow runs and bike rides. She rides in a carriage. Oh.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I said good girl. I said good boy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It happens. She also has developed the same fear of ice that I have. Penguin shuffle for the win. She's my everything and has seen me through it all. Good, bad and ugly. I can only hope as she transitions into these final elder years of her life, that she feels like I've given her the same. Oh, no. Oh, come on. Sorry, this is so long. Big shout out to the everyday heroes of our world, both animal and human. Stay sexy and wear the damn ice cleats. Kaylee, There's Georgie. I called her Georgie. There's Charlie, the good girl.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Charlie, your sweet little beard and gray coming in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh. Listeners, we are definitely going to post this sweetest picture of the sweetest dog who saved her owner's life.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my gosh, she's gorgeous.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She's so low key about it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She's a face right there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I want to. I think she smells like Fritos. And I want to. I want to rub her haunches.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And give her scritches.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Amazing. That was amazing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was good, right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes. Okay, my last one is called Prank Dad. Hello, my fun loving aunties.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hello.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Do I have a Prank dad story for you. Growing up, I was the middle of three girls and both of my parents were in law enforcement. So obviously my sister, sisters and I decided our Calling in life was to be as annoying as possible. One day, my dad jokingly threatened to handcuff us together until you can get along. We did not take him seriously at all. We kept bickering, complaining, and pushing each other's buttons until he pulled out the handcuffs and said, until you can get along, you're staying handcuffed together. Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Three of them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Jesus.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Has to be against protocol, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's nothing legal or correct about this.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Cue the dramatic sighing and eye rolling. We decided, fine, peace treaty it is. But when he went to unlock us, he realized his handcuff keys were at work. So, yes, we had to drive over an hour handcuffed together to get his keys. Were we getting along by then? Absolutely not. Once we walked into the police station, all of his co workers stared at him like he was unhinged. He just shrugged and said, kids, am I right? Anyways, my siblings and I never fought again after this. Just kidding. Of course we did. But it was the last time we were physically restrained as a family bonding activity. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I can't wait to write again and tell you about the case my dad worked on involving serial killer Wayne Adam Ford, one of the world's most evil killers. He was one of the lead detectives on that case.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Shout out to my wife, Crumb, who introduced me to your podcast in 2020. We saw you live in Boston and had a wonderful time. Thank you for everything you do. Seriously. We love you. Stay sexy and always keep an extra set of keys on you. Hill. She her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, Hill. Great email. Also, what a great. Kind of like. Yeah, if you're gonna do something and take this big swing, you better make sure you have everything you need to be the responsible adult.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. It's the definition of fuck around and find out he fucked around and he found the fuck out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right. And then everyone at work found out, too.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like what great parenting skills you have.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yep, definitely talked about that one at the Christmas party that year.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Although I don't. I don't envy anyone with three daughters. No mayhem.

[Georgia Hardstark]

My God, Chaos.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Not great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hey, tell us about your sibling fights and stuff.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Are you one of three girls?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Tell us all about it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You'll get right to the front if you send us emails about your horrible fights.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right. At my favorite murdermail. Or anything else you want to write about.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, let us know. And then, until then, stay sexy and don't get murdered.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie?

[Karen Kilgariff]

This has been an exactly right production.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Our senior producer is Molly Smith. And our associate producer is Tessa Hughes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This episode was mixed by Liana Squillace.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Email your hometowns to my favorite murdermail.com

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

And now you can watch My Favorite Murder on Netflix.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And when you're there, hit the double thumbs up and the remind me buttons. That's the best way you can support our show. Goodbye. The best kind of self care usually involves laying down.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And if you're in the bathtub, even better.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Karen, you know I'm a bath influencer. Like that's part of my like weekly self care is bath baths. And I got excited when I opened the box they sent us of bath products.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, and it works so well. Like truly your skin will feel great. I have dry skin all the time, especially the, the hotter the weather gets outside and just getting it all taken care of at once and relaxing in the bathtub, it's amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Find Dr. Teals all dressed in blue in your local bath aisle.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

I know. I love Simplisafe because I know that they won't trap you. But I know that the minute you sign up with them, you're going to want to stay with them forever. So it's kind of a win win.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Goodbye.

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