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Karen Kilgariff
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A storm is coming for happily married attorneys Anna and Tom Bowden when Max Cady, the notorious killer they are responsible for putting behind bars, is let out of prison and he wants vengeance While the world watches the stars at the FIFA World Cup, Hyundai has its eyes on the next generation of talent.
Karen Kilgariff
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And Hyundai doesn't either.
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And Hyundai continues doing it every day because the future isn't some far off concept. It's already here.
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My favorite hello and welcome to my favorite murder.
Karen Kilgariff
That's Georgia Hardstark.
Georgia Hardstark
That's Karen Kilgariff. This is the Minisode. It's the Minisode.
Karen Kilgariff
It's the Minisode.
Georgia Hardstark
I know it feels like a little more relaxed when we do the Minisode because we don't have to think too much.
Karen Kilgariff
That's right. We're just reading.
Georgia Hardstark
We don't have to be charming. Everyone does it for us in the letters.
Karen Kilgariff
That's right. This is us floating in the in. I'm literally making a list of what to get at the grocery store later.
Georgia Hardstark
This is like summer school for my favorite murder.
Karen Kilgariff
What a rude way to approach this gift of an opportunity.
Georgia Hardstark
We have all positively.
Karen Kilgariff
No, no, I didn't mean that to you. No, no, I meant to me, where I'm just like, what am I doing? What is the intro to this show?
Georgia Hardstark
We've only been doing it for ten years.
Karen Kilgariff
Almost eleven.
Georgia Hardstark
Ten and a half now.
Karen Kilgariff
Ten and a half. We're over the ten year mark.
Georgia Hardstark
Jesus Christ.
Karen Kilgariff
We have to stop looking back. We have to start looking forward to
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the next ten and a half years. Why don't you go first?
Karen Kilgariff
Why don't I? In full gratitude, I read you an email with the subject line serial killer dinner party.
Georgia Hardstark
There we go. Now we're back.
Karen Kilgariff
Back on track. I recently came into a treasure of a story from my aunt. Let's call her E. Aunt E was a longtime dental assistant of a small dental practice in the Sacramento area in the 80s and 90s.
Georgia Hardstark
Dun, dun, dun represent.
Karen Kilgariff
One of their frequent patients was none other than the Dorothea Puente.
Georgia Hardstark
Yep.
Karen Kilgariff
It says. Yep. Two exclamations points. Imagine how thrilled I was to have my aunt regale me a murderino with this thriller. So if you want to go listen to our Dorothea Puente episode, which of course I covered because we lived two doors down from her when I lived in Sacramento. That's right, in the very late 80s, early 90s.
Georgia Hardstark
What episode number is that Was so long ago.
Karen Kilgariff
That was episode 37.
Georgia Hardstark
Jesus.
Karen Kilgariff
That was entitled Liminal Space.
Georgia Hardstark
Okay, look for the rewind of that, guys. Yeah.
Karen Kilgariff
Okay, so it goes back into this email saying after frequent. And when I say it, I mean myself. After frequent appointments, they became friendly. My aunt is a lovely, warm lady who can chat it up with anyone. She even attended a dinner party at Dorothea's house.
Georgia Hardstark
No.
Karen Kilgariff
Yep, that house. She said Dorothea was an excellent cook. The dinner table was set and Dorothea's renters were all there except for one. My aunt mentioned the empty plate and she said Dorothea stood up and opened the door just off the dining room to reveal a man passed out on the bed and said something to the effect of him sleeping it off. My aunt said his head was hanging off the bed, but she assumed he passed out because she knew Dorothea's renters were men often struggling with alcohol addiction, which is like the ultimate manipulation.
Georgia Hardstark
Totally.
Karen Kilgariff
You have people who it's indefensible because the worst is always assumed right. And the best of her intentions is always assumed right.
Georgia Hardstark
They're the best victims because nobody takes them seriously.
Karen Kilgariff
Right?
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
Karen Kilgariff
Then it says, was he just passed out? Aunt E would wonder about this later. Fast forward to 1988. Dorothea had an appointment and noticed my aunt wasn't her normal cheerful self. My aunt, my dad and the rest of their seven siblings had just returned from burying their father in Oklahoma. And she was still grieving. When she explained this, she said Dorothea grabbed her forearm with both hands and looked closely in her eyes and said, everyone has to die sometimes.
Georgia Hardstark
Chill. So chill.
Karen Kilgariff
It says holy shit.
Georgia Hardstark
Right?
Karen Kilgariff
Right.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
Karen Kilgariff
I mean, also it's the grabbing that's the one, two punch of intense. Once the truth of Dorothea's deeds were revealed to my aunt, she actually got subpoenaed to give evidence to the da. Aunt E, who has the gift of gab, definitely filled them in on what she knew. How could you not go over every minute detail?
Georgia Hardstark
It's like gossiping on the stand. You're not gonna believe what she fucking said to me.
Karen Kilgariff
She's like, I was there. I was part this whole nightmare.
Georgia Hardstark
She grabbed my arm.
Karen Kilgariff
She grabbed my arm, both her hands. And then it just says, stay sexy and be leery of little old be spectacled ladies.
Georgia Hardstark
Heidi, you know what's so weird to me is that you can be a straight up serial killer and still be up to date on your dental cleanings. Like what happens in your mind that you're like, oh, gotta go to the dentist.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Because they're going to take care of themselves. Their teeth, their comfort, their thing. But in, in their brain, the broken part is that they care about anybody else.
Georgia Hardstark
It's just so weird to me that, like, you can have such horrible, you know, actions and thoughts and still go do a normal thing, like going to
Karen Kilgariff
the dentist and still have clean, fresh breath. Yeah, yeah.
Georgia Hardstark
Like I struggle going to the dentist
Karen Kilgariff
when I need shoes. I mean.
Georgia Hardstark
Okay. Cold case solved. After 20 plus years, dear Georgia and Karen, all caps. My time has come. Finally. You guys are rock stars and thank you for everything you've done for me over the years. I started listening in 2018 and I can't begin to tell you how excited I am to finally have a solid story to share with you. Okay, so here it goes. In 1998, four teenagers in Medina, Ohio, about 40 miles from where I live, found two suitcases off the i77. Inside were human remains that had been dismembered. The victim's hands, feet and head were missing, which made identification impossible at the time. Remember, it was like, well, now we'll never know who it is.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
Georgia Hardstark
Back then, the case went cold for over two decades. Your favorite.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
Georgia Hardstark
Fast forward to 2023. With new DNA technology, the victim was finally identified as Lawrence A. Drotliff. After that identification, investigators uncovered something even more disturbing. His son, Larry Drotliff, now 81, had been fraudulently collecting his father's Social Security benefits for years, telling people his father had simply moved away. Do you know this one?
Karen Kilgariff
I mean, it sounds familiar, but it sounds like the beginning. Kids finding like severed human remains in suitcases. There's a couple that start like this.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. Eventually, Larry confessed that he came home from work one day and found his father deceased in their home. He then dismembered the body and disposed of it along I77 in the suitcases. Then he went to the dentist. No, I'm just kidding.
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, sorry.
Georgia Hardstark
I had to do it.
Karen Kilgariff
I mean, that's the vibe though.
Georgia Hardstark
That's the fucking vibe.
Karen Kilgariff
This is your to do list?
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. Let me just stop on the way.
Karen Kilgariff
It's like the idea that it's like you're trying to explain this to any authorities going, and then I dismembered my father. Yeah.
Georgia Hardstark
He was already dead, so I thought, no, there's nothing I can do. Now.
Karen Kilgariff
That only sounds normal to a complete psychopath.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. Here's where it gets absolutely insane. My stepdad told me he watched a documentary about this case a few years ago. He's not usually in a true crime, but was interested in the story and the close location. My stepdad is also in recovery. Woo hoo. And he said a few years back he met a man at a meeting and started giving him rides. He would pick him up from his apartment where he lived only about five minutes away from our home. Fast forward this week. A mutual acquaintance sent over an article about this solved cold case. My stepdad read it and thought about that documentary he had watched years ago. He was amazed to hear that the case was reopened and solved. Then he realized the man he had been giving rides to and spending time with was none other than Larry Drotliff. My stepdad said he always had a weird feeling about him, but couldn't explain why. I mean, I have that about everybody,
Karen Kilgariff
but that is that thing where it's like when they say you look at somebody and they have like dead eyes or there's just Absolutely no kind of chemical connection to them as a person. And it makes you like get all freaked out, but on an animal level.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, I'm just kidding. I don't feel that about anyone. I'm friendly to everyone for some fucking reason. Anyway, stay sexy and always trust your gut. Sylvia.
Karen Kilgariff
Sylvia. Great name, by the way.
Georgia Hardstark
Such a good name.
Karen Kilgariff
Also, just like to have interacted in a very mundane way, like a dental
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way with a person and a meaningful way. Because when you're in recovery with someone and you know, Alcoholics Anonymous, like, you have a bond there that is beyond just acquaintances.
Karen Kilgariff
Now I wanna know what the true details of the beginning of that story are.
Georgia Hardstark
Four teenagers in 1998 finding a suitcase. That's some fucking horror movie on the high. And there's something. So I don't know why it's like so much. This is why. Like books placed in the 90s or before. So much better. They didn't have cell phones. They had no way to contact anyone. They had to run to the fucking, you know, gas station and call the police. They had no, like, connections.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
Georgia Hardstark
No way to like, reach out. It was just them and a fucking suitcase.
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
Georgia Hardstark
And that's where my book begins.
Karen Kilgariff
And that's where your film kicks off. Well solved. Cold case.
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Goodbye. Let's change the tone with the Trash Dog and Trash dad story.
Georgia Hardstark
Yay.
Karen Kilgariff
It says hi MFM crew and fellow Murderinos. You recently asked for Garbage dad or Garbage Dog stories and I have a story with both. A couple of years ago my husband and I decided to take our two young boys to Dallas to visit the Great Wolf Lodge. We were going for almost a week and needed someone to watch our 2 year old 80 pound golden retriever Nellie. My parents were between homes at the time living in a fifth wheel trailer and and then in brackets it says A towable rv. That's fine. We're fine. And it says after moving out of a 4,000 square foot home. And I thought maybe they'd really like to stay in our house to enjoy more room, ac, a washer and dryer, et cetera. The only stipulation would be that they had to take care of the dog. They agreed and saved us a fortune in boarding fees. Or so we thought.
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, Jesus, yes.
Karen Kilgariff
We love an or so we thought story. The day we left, my sweet mom decided to take the dog for a walk. I had instructed her to only use a leash if they went walking around the neighborhood and not on the dirt paths across the street as our dog was used to running free on those paths. However, my nervous mom didn't want Nellie to get lost, so she put the leash on her and proceeded to walk her along the dirt paths.
Georgia Hardstark
She did the responsible thing. I'd do the same thing if it was someone else's dog, right? You know?
Karen Kilgariff
Sure.
Georgia Hardstark
Okay.
Karen Kilgariff
Just as they were finishing, Nellie spotted wildlife and took off after it without regard to the lady holding the leash. My mom was yanked hard and fell to the ground. When she tried to get up, she found she couldn't as her hip was broken.
Georgia Hardstark
Fucking.
Karen Kilgariff
Which unfortunately, she knew from experience.
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, no.
Karen Kilgariff
She called out for help and tried to drag herself, but she had left her phone at home charging and no one could see her from the road as she fell behind a patch of sage.
Georgia Hardstark
It's like 1998 all over again. That's right.
Karen Kilgariff
Of course, the garbage dog thought my mom was on the ground to play and get kisses, so she decided to slobber all over mom while she cried out for help. Meanwhile, two hours later, we were at the airport when my ring doorbell notification went off. I opened the app and watched as a man informed my dad that his wife had fallen across the street and thinks her hip is broken. Our wonderful neighbor heard something from his backyard, decided to investigate, and found my mom lying in the dirt, unable to walk. He got my dad and they called an ambulance. I repeatedly called to find out if she was okay, but I got no answer as both parents had left their phones at my house.
Georgia Hardstark
God.
Karen Kilgariff
I finally asked another neighbor to track down our hero neighbor to find out what was going on. It turns out that my dad had watched TV through the whole thing. Even though my mom was gone much longer than she said she would be. My mom was convinced that he wouldn't have come looking for her until morning. And based on his past record, she's probably right. She Ended up getting her third hip replacement. Third hip replacement surgery. And the first for that hip. And Nellie ended up being boarded until we got home. My lucky sister also had two house guests for the next few months while my mom recovered as she didn't want to stay with us and chance my garbage dog injuring her further. Probably a pretty good call. Stay sexy and think twice before letting your garbage dad and osteoporosis riddled mom dog sitting. And here she is.
Georgia Hardstark
There's a photo of the. Oh, bad girl.
Karen Kilgariff
She didn't mean it.
Georgia Hardstark
Bad girl, but very good girl.
Karen Kilgariff
It was a squirrel.
Georgia Hardstark
Look at that face.
Karen Kilgariff
What's she supposed to do if a squirrel comes?
Georgia Hardstark
And the perfect perm. Gorgeous.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, that's it. That dog only wants what's best for all of us.
Georgia Hardstark
Remember when my dad almost killed Elvis? When we were on tour, we were in like Australia, and I had had a bag of all his pills and treats, you know, in the little pill pockets. Whereas his heart medication, he had one a day. But my dad left. And so Elvis, of course, chewed through it because he was a monster. And my dad was like, it's a cat. He doesn't do that. And like, yes, he does. Ate all of his fucking heart pills. And Vince was like, if you kill George's cat, she's never gonna speak to you again. He was fine.
Karen Kilgariff
And somehow he powered through it.
Georgia Hardstark
He got. He was a dump truck. He was like, he bought it.
Karen Kilgariff
Three more years. Yeah.
Georgia Hardstark
He's like, frank.
Karen Kilgariff
Frank is Elvis novice.
Georgia Hardstark
This is fine. Okay. This is called I Wish I went to this high school. Hi, Kevin. Let's do this.
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
Georgia Hardstark
Cute. I had been with my boyfriend for an unsettlingly long time before he thought to share with me two of the best stories I've ever heard. Both of which occurred during the same period, the late 90s, at his high school in Oregon. The first is about a guy named DeAndre who transferred from California and immediately became a model student and extremely popular. Everyone thought DeAndre was cool. Not only was he a basketball star at his old school in Beverly Hills, but he drove a flashy red Camaro. And word quickly spread that his aunt was Diana Ross.
Karen Kilgariff
That's always the rumor, especially if you go to a tiny white town and there's some someone of color shows up there. And that's the stuff that happens.
Georgia Hardstark
Totally. I sure he didn't mind it. I drove a Camaro and my Aunt Diana Ross.
Karen Kilgariff
You show up and you're just like, that's right. You should absolutely kiss my ass.
Georgia Hardstark
You're not denying it. Yeah, he got straight A's, rose to the top of his class and was genuinely nice and friendly to everyone. So much so that he was elected to student government. That winter he was chosen to sing a prize solo at the Christmas concert. Then two days later, choir practice was interrupted by the police bursting in to arrest him. Turns out DeAndre wasn't 17 after all.
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, these are my favorite. These are my favorite.
Georgia Hardstark
But a 31 year old convicted felon on the run.
Karen Kilgariff
Oh my. He's not just doing it for fun.
Georgia Hardstark
He made like a fucking Drew Barrymore movie out of his fucking life.
Karen Kilgariff
He's reversed 21 jump streeting it where he's like, I'm not the cops coming into your high school. I'm the robbers coming into your high school.
Georgia Hardstark
That's right. He actually had attended this high school 15 years earlier and remembered it as the happiest time of his life. Hence his decision to hide out there for a while. Okay, here's my next fucking book. And how it starts. Like, how sweet is that?
Karen Kilgariff
But also, please write a book about any high schooler that is the best time of their life. Is high school truly. Jesus. Get it. Well, you can.
Georgia Hardstark
Crazily enough. He even had one or two of the same teachers, none of whom seemed to recognize him. The whole scenario is one of my absolute favorite movie tropes. So the fact that this actually happened in real life is a dream come true that has to be made into a movie. Yes. And this is from Sarah. And she put fucking links. This all checks out.
Karen Kilgariff
She's like proof.
Georgia Hardstark
And then she writes. And then it gets even better. Oh, at the same time, all caps. At the same school, another popular student, this one student body president was living out his own cinematic fantasy. Tom was charming, smart, an eagle scout, a track star and homecoming king. Again, there's links. This sounds like bullshit. It's not. He also happened to be a serial armed robber terrorizing local businesses throughout his senior year. When they get started that early, it's almost impressive. Like those cheerleaders who were robbing a bank. Yeah, it's almost like I was just fucking ditching school to smoke cigarettes by that tree.
Karen Kilgariff
I always felt like I had low like iron poor blood, you know what I mean? Like, I always felt so tired and so. You know what I mean?
Georgia Hardstark
Totally.
Karen Kilgariff
I think I need peanut butter. Totally. Or something like for energy, planning and
Georgia Hardstark
robbing a fucking bank.
Karen Kilgariff
I can't finish like a book for a book report.
Georgia Hardstark
I can't take change out of my mom's purse. Without her hearing me upstairs. I'm not fucking running into a bank.
Karen Kilgariff
I can't sneak in or out of my house successfully, ever. How do I rob this bank? And they're just killing it all over town.
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, there's so many things we could have done when we were younger. Look at us now. This is the alternative. When he was finally caught, his accomplice was arrested. But Tom managed to escape to Mexico as a teenager.
Karen Kilgariff
Wait, this is Oregon.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
Karen Kilgariff
These aren't my. Remember the two guys from Grant High School? Karen, I just looked it up.
Georgia Hardstark
I think that this is your guy. What?
Karen Kilgariff
This is my guy. Remember the story of the two people in high school together? That started, they were like the kings of the high school, but they started robbing businesses.
Georgia Hardstark
What episode is this, Molly? It's so fascinating. This is from the live show.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Remember Karen covered it in Oregon. Yeah. In Portland.
Georgia Hardstark
Amazing.
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
Georgia Hardstark
All right.
Karen Kilgariff
I kept talking about the high school.
Georgia Hardstark
Yes. Yes, yes. No. Now I remember.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. But only us and the Portland Murderinos know because we haven't done it yet.
Georgia Hardstark
Sarah clearly wasn't there.
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
Georgia Hardstark
When he was finally caught. Accomplished. Side note, my boyfriend's sister tells me this arrest actually happened on prom night. You can't make this shit up. Tom successfully hid out in Mexico for months, even going so far as to party with 37 of his high school classmates who traveled there for a graduation trip. Yeah, none of them tipped off the police, man. There's no fucking rats.
Karen Kilgariff
That's right.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, I remember this one. You had photos of them all.
Karen Kilgariff
The piece is like, so many of these stories are similar baseline, but then those details come up, and then you're like, oh, wait a second.
Georgia Hardstark
I'll just always remember the time that you were halfway through a story about Circleville on stage, live. When I realized I had already told that story on Drunk History and it just hadn't come out yet. Cause I complete. I blacked it out. Literally. Right.
Karen Kilgariff
Cause you were on Drunk History. Yeah, he's a good one.
Georgia Hardstark
Anyways, none of them tipped off the police. Tom did eventually turn himself in months later, after seeing himself on America's Most Wanted. I remember this. It still baffles me that it took my boyfriend over two years to share what has to be the coolest and most important thing ever to happen to him in his life. But knowing his proximity to these absolutely delicious tales made me love him even more than I already did. I wouldn't say it's the only reason we're now engaged, but it definitely didn't hurt. Stay sexy and don't trust the popular guy. Sarah something in the water there.
Karen Kilgariff
Getting away with it. Yeah, someone opened a portal to hell down in like the basement and just a bunch of weird energy came out that summer.
Georgia Hardstark
Eugene is just going crazy.
Karen Kilgariff
Eugene, Oregon well, amazing and look forward to that episode in the future. We can like Future market that one While the world watches the stars at the FIFA World cup this summer, Hyundai has its eyes on the next generation of talent.
Georgia Hardstark
The future soccer stars who are already turning heads at age 14.
Karen Kilgariff
Making plays that end up on everyone's feed. Scoring from angles that don't make sense. Rewriting record books that barely had time
Georgia Hardstark
to gather dust because Next doesn't wait for an invitation. And Hyundai doesn't either.
Karen Kilgariff
Hyundai has always moved the future within reach.
Georgia Hardstark
Hyundai did it by making advanced safety standard on every vehicle.
Karen Kilgariff
Hyundai did it by engineering EVs with ultra fast charging capability.
Georgia Hardstark
And Hyundai continues doing it every day.
Karen Kilgariff
From robotics that change how people live to young athletes changing the game, the future isn't some far off concept. It's already here.
Georgia Hardstark
Next starts now.
Karen Kilgariff
Hyundai, an official partner of FIFA. Goodbye.
Georgia Hardstark
Summer is all about saying yes, going out and bringing the mess home in your car.
Karen Kilgariff
Sand, grass and melting snacks will inevitably
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This is a follow up to Minisode 482, my mom's legendary radio contest win in honor of our beloved Banana Boys. Hello guys, gals and non binary pals of mfm. I'm writing in as a direct follow up to the story in Minisode 482 about the kid who won the trip to Disney from the TV contest. Yeah. Do you remember that?
Georgia Hardstark
Kind of.
Karen Kilgariff
It reminded me that the early 2000s were truly the wild west of local radio contests. Very true. So of course I need to tell you how my mom, dawn, entered one and became a local legend.
Georgia Hardstark
Dawn is everyone's mom's name. Dawn.
Karen Kilgariff
She had a long cigarette. Yeah. In the summer of 2000, our local radio station announced a Britney Spears lip sync contest at our local mall. The prize? Front row seats to the Oops I Did It Again tour.
Georgia Hardstark
Take me there.
Karen Kilgariff
My sister and I were fully possessed by the spirit of Brittany. My dad, Dan, who had a heart of gold but is also a lifelong prankster, entered the contest every single day to get us a shot at winning tickets. Aw, the catch. He entered using my mom's name. When the radio station called her to say that she had been chosen to compete, she was horrified.
Georgia Hardstark
No.
Karen Kilgariff
To make matters worse, my dad then told us kids. All caps. Told us kids so we would get excited and peer pressure my mom to do it.
Georgia Hardstark
It's so sweet. I can see why you married him, but no, I don't wanna do karaoke in the mall.
Karen Kilgariff
In public. In public. This is a prank to a Level that is dastardly and insane and hilarious. But also, just think of it.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
Karen Kilgariff
That's like someone put my name in one time when we were at Magic Mike. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.
Georgia Hardstark
Is that what you're gonna say?
Karen Kilgariff
No, I was gonna do the one where I was in New York and it was Marie's crisis, which is where all the to sing songs around a real piano and all of a sudden they're like, karen, get up here. And I was like, I got so mad and I just walked out where I'm just like, don't shame me in front of these talented people.
Georgia Hardstark
It's diabolical.
Karen Kilgariff
Okay, so.
Georgia Hardstark
So also, you're a great singer. If I were you, I'd have gone the fuck up there and sang.
Karen Kilgariff
I appreciate it. Thank you. It's all Annie. It's straight out my nose. Annie and those people are like opera stars and we just don't want. That's not how we have fun.
Georgia Hardstark
Got it.
Karen Kilgariff
Okay. Okay, so my mom has massive social anxiety.
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, no. Okay, I don't know about this, dad. This is to Dawn.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, Dan knew, right?
Georgia Hardstark
Dan and Dawn.
Karen Kilgariff
Dan and Dawn.
Georgia Hardstark
Cute.
Karen Kilgariff
Dan knew that dawn had social anxiety, but my dad knew she would be weak to seeing our tiny hopeful faces. She decided to say fuck it to the anxiety and yes to trying to make her kids dreams come true.
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, my God.
Karen Kilgariff
She thrifted and aggressively hot glued a music video accurate schoolgirl outfit. She recorded episodes of TRL on a VHS tape and watched the Baby One More Time video on a loop, breaking down the choreography like she was preparing for the Olympics. She committed to the bit. The day of the contest arrives at our classic sprawling 90s mall. The stage was, I kid you not, built directly on top of the mall fountain.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, I remember that.
Karen Kilgariff
The competition was stiff. There were dozens of contestants, including several drag queens. So genius as a sheltered kid. I mean, those drag queens were like, we are going to win this hands down. This is what we do as a sheltered kid. I remember whispering, look at all those other dads competing for their daughters.
Georgia Hardstark
Aw.
Karen Kilgariff
So sweet. When it was Dawn's turn, she stepped onto that fountain stage in her pleated skirt and pigtails. She said she blacked out from nerves, but I remember the audience losing their minds. She nailed every hair flip and snap and was crowned winner of the Britney Spears Lip Sync Battle.
Georgia Hardstark
Dawn for the win.
Karen Kilgariff
A month later, we sat in the literal front row watching Brittany. Oh, my God. My badass mom. Who had just conquered her greatest fear atop a mall fountain, danced the entire Night with us. Shout out to all the moms who will embarrass the shit out of themselves to make their kids dreams come true. And a special shout out to my OG Murderino mom who used to tell me terrifying true stories about her childhood growing up on 8 Mile in Detroit, just to make sure I'd lock the doors and fuck politeness.
Georgia Hardstark
Damn.
Karen Kilgariff
Stay sexy and lip sync for your Katie.
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, my God, what a great story.
Karen Kilgariff
Dawn. Dawn, this one's for you. You're number one.
Georgia Hardstark
Did we tell people to send us when they won contests? Cause I think they should.
Karen Kilgariff
Yes. Especially if your contest got. If the. If the battle took place at the mall.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
Karen Kilgariff
And you won it or you lost it.
Georgia Hardstark
You lost it for sure.
Karen Kilgariff
You shamed yourself and your family deeply right in front of Mrs. Field's cookies.
Georgia Hardstark
I won a modeling contest at the mall once. Georgia. I know. I don't wanna talk about it.
Karen Kilgariff
Year 10 revealed.
Georgia Hardstark
I don't wanna talk about it.
Karen Kilgariff
You. Can you just say those words again and look me in the face? No, Georgia won.
Georgia Hardstark
I won.
Karen Kilgariff
She won the modeling contest.
Georgia Hardstark
I was obsessed with Kate Moss, so I, like, knew the walk. And I had gone to Barbizon where I trained to be a model and look like one or whatever.
Karen Kilgariff
Thank God you didn't get trafficked.
Georgia Hardstark
I totally. Jesus, you should have. There was like a guy with a fucking hook waiting to, like, pull me out.
Karen Kilgariff
What'd you get for winning?
Georgia Hardstark
I got. I went to the scout camp thing and. I don't wanna talk about it.
Karen Kilgariff
Yes, you do. And we're gonna do a whole special episode in the fan cult. Everybody sign up.
Georgia Hardstark
There's been a reason. It's been 10 years and I haven't told you that this is. I have a photo.
Karen Kilgariff
Incredible. We better get the pictures.
Georgia Hardstark
In 10 years, you can get the photo.
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, okay. This is like a Ponzi scheme.
Georgia Hardstark
Okay, this one's serious. It's the beginning of Pride Month, so let's pay tribute to the amazing life of Kayla Houston, America's first lesbian photojournalist.
Karen Kilgariff
Nice.
Georgia Hardstark
Hi, MFM gang. Back in nursing school, I had my first clinical experience at an assisted living home in Pennsylvania. During my clinical, I met a resident named Kay Lahusen, who described herself as a gay lady who takes pictures. This is one of the, like, old ladies at the home.
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
Georgia Hardstark
As a newly out 20 year old, I was intrigued. I can imagine the people you meet there just like, ready to tell you their story.
Karen Kilgariff
But I mean, how rare that would be. At least for. I'm thinking that Generation. It's a very new thing for, I think, a person to be like, hey, totally. Yeah.
Georgia Hardstark
I learned via Google as she was incredibly humble, that Kay was the first openly lesbian American photojournalist. While living in Boston in the early 60s, she met Barbara Giddings, and they soon fell in love. During this time, they both worked for a lesbian magazine called the Ladder. L A D D E R. Barbara served as the editor and Kay was the art director. In 1963, the Art on the COVID of the magazine was, as Kay described it, quote, pretty bland. Little cats, insipid human figures. End quote.
Karen Kilgariff
Little cats.
Georgia Hardstark
Little cats for a lesbian magazine.
Karen Kilgariff
And then, of course, ladders implied lesbianism.
Georgia Hardstark
Kay, a lifelong photographer, wanted to show actual people lesbians on the COVID instead. The first photo was of two women taken from the back. Kay then fought to show actual faces on the COVID She stated, quote, if you go around as if you don't dare show your face, it sends forth a terrible message, end quote. From the mid-60s on, Kay photographed all sorts of women for the COVID of the magazine. She went on to photograph Barbara Giddings and others picketing at Independence hall until the late 60s. In 1970, she was part of the founding of the Gay activists alliance. In 1972, she worked closely with the GAA to push for removal of homosexuality from the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual Mental Disorder. We all know they have a chapter about us in it. Kay and Barbara were together for 46 years before Barbara passed in 2007. Kay living until 2021. Up until her death, she worked as an activist, publishing multiple books on her photographs and fighting for the rights of LGBTQ people. Kay and Barbara's ashes are interned inside a stone bench in the Congressional Cemetery. The bench is engraved with the phrase gay is good. And there's a photo if you wanna see it. It's like a sweet little with all the pride flags. I knew Kay for a very short amount of time, but the work that she did for my community is nothing short of spectacular. I remember that her room at the assisted living facility was full of photographs. I hope she knew just how much she had done for so many. I know that this is not the typical topic that you cover, but I wanted to share a little about this woman who had a profound impact on me. She was, at the time, the only older adult queer person I had. Ooh, chills. Up until then, I hadn't been able to picture growing old with a woman that I loved. It makes my heart so happy to know that she got her Love story just like we all deserve. Stay sexy and remember that gay is good. K they them. Yes. We have the same name. Yes. I think it's rad.
Karen Kilgariff
I mean that it's like a movie. I know where it's like, oh, you just work at an old folks home and then there's one lady that you hit it off with and is so interesting.
Georgia Hardstark
Legendary.
Karen Kilgariff
And she's a legend.
Georgia Hardstark
Here's a photo of her.
Karen Kilgariff
That's how. Look at her.
Georgia Hardstark
I love her. Oh, and those are her photographs. Look at the letter. A lesbian review. It says.
Karen Kilgariff
Yes, and sorry, the letter started like in the 50s. Is that what you were saying?
Georgia Hardstark
It was around. It seems like it says that the magazine started in 1956.
Karen Kilgariff
56.
Georgia Hardstark
God, I want to find those at an estate sale.
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, my God. Right? It's so good.
Georgia Hardstark
It's so good.
Karen Kilgariff
Well, that's a really nice email to end for pride month.
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, perfect. Send us your stories, whatever they may be. Yeah.
Karen Kilgariff
Who have you discovered in your life that surprised you? Yeah, that was actually turned out to be a legend.
Georgia Hardstark
Totally.
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Date: June 1, 2026
Hosts: Karen Kilgariff & Georgia Hardstark
Podcast Network: Exactly Right & iHeartPodcasts
In MFM Minisode 490, Karen and Georgia take listeners through a series of listener-submitted "hometown" stories, blending true crime tales with humor, personal anecdotes, and their signature comedic chemistry. The minisode format allows the hosts to react to and discuss a variety of real-life stories—ranging from chilling serial killer encounters to wild high school hijinks—sent in by their devoted "Murderino" fanbase. Throughout the episode, they reflect on the bizarre intersection of everyday life and extraordinary events, spotlighting moments of danger, surprise, resilience, and Pride Month history.
[02:25-03:15]
[03:19-06:24]
[06:24-07:00]
[07:05-10:18]
[10:44-11:14]
[14:17-17:54]
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[18:27-24:02]
[27:24-32:18]
“Shout out to all the moms who will embarrass the shit out of themselves to make their kids’ dreams come true...” – Listener (31:23)
“Stay sexy and lip sync for your Katie.” – Listener (31:41)
Georgia confesses to having won a modeling contest at the mall herself (“Year 10 revealed!”), with Karen playfully pressing her for more details.
[32:56-36:55]
[36:59-37:09]
| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Serial Killer Dinner Party (Dorothea Puente) | 03:19–06:24 | | Cold Case Solved (Medina, OH Suitcase) | 07:05–10:18 | | Trash Dog & Trash Dad | 14:17–17:54 | | Wild High School Stories (Oregon) | 18:27–24:02 | | Britney Spears Mall Lip Sync Contest | 27:24–32:18 | | Pride Month Tribute: Kay Lahusen | 32:56–36:55 |
Minisode 490 is classic MFM: a rapid-fire but heartfelt collection of crime-adjacent stories filtered through Karen and Georgia’s warm, irreverent, and candid style. The episode delivers an emotional range—from darkly comic takes on criminal oddities and family foibles to moments of sincere admiration for unsung heroes of LGBTQ history. For both longtime fans and new listeners, it’s a showcase of how “ordinary” lives intersect with the extraordinary, and how shared stories foster a genuine sense of community.