Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 68: Q&T&A

Summary

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My Favorite Murder: Rewind with Karen & Georgia – 68: Q&T&A

Date: October 29, 2025
Hosts: Karen Kilgariff & Georgia Hardstark
Producer/Contributor: Stephen
Guest: Jesse Pop
Theme: Q&A Listener Episode, Podcast Nostalgia, Tour Memories, True Crime Reflections

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Episode Overview

This "Rewind" episode returns to MFM’s iconic Episode 68, Q&T&A, featuring Karen and Georgia revisiting their first-ever Q&A show from May 2017—and their own early days. Instead of the usual true crime stories, Karen and Georgia dive into a cascade of listener-submitted questions, share unfiltered personal stories, tackle podcast creation origins, discuss their favorite true crime moments, and bring updates with their signature candor and chemistry. The episode also features a special hometown murder story from Jesse Pop.

Tone: Warm, irreverent, self-deprecating, honest, and full of inside jokes.

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Main Themes & Segments

1. Revisiting Episode 68: The Q&A Format (02:00–10:09)

• Taking a Break from Cases: The format shift was a relief for the hosts:

  • “What a great way to not have to do homework.” – Georgia (02:16)

• Podcast Birthday Origins:

  • The original episode aired on Karen’s birthday in 2017.
  • Light teasing about “birthday week” and Karen’s discomfort with public birthday attention.

• The Pod Loft:

  • Georgia talks about her then-new apartment, the “we watch Murder” loft (04:36), and the murderino gifts that fill the space (e.g., plush pillows from Etsy).

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2. The “Casting JonBenet” Live Watch That Wasn’t (06:48–09:10)

• The hosts originally planned a live commentary of Casting JonBenet, but scrapped it mid-recording:
  • “It was a study on the strange personalities and behavior of actors.” – Karen (07:19)
  • “[We] were basically sitting there kind of shitting on normal people who are tricked into being in this documentary.” – Karen (08:20)

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3. Behind-the-Scenes Podcasting—Ideas and Taglines (09:10–12:00)

• Laughter about wanting credit for ideas and being “know-it-alls.”
• Mention of podcast “taglines” and the joy (and silliness) in how every detail (from merch to intro banter) was born.

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4. Iconic Tramp Stamp Reveal (12:00–17:32)

• Listeners get the long-promised reveal of both Karen and Georgia’s lower-back tattoos:

  • Georgia, age 19, got hearts on her “flanks” after heartbreak.
  • Karen, in a drunken 90s adventure, ended up with a “permanent fuck it” salmon tattoo inspired by a pescatarian joke gone off-script.
  • Both reflect on how these tattoos represent pivotal, impulsive moments in their lives.

  “It’s a permanent fuck it. Which is what’s stupid about it.” – Karen (14:26)

  “If I ever want to get it removed, I just have to cut my flanks off.” – Georgia (15:22)

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5. Corrections Corner & The Importance of Language (17:34–21:54)

• Correction from listener Shiloh: The LAPD and LA County Sheriff’s Department are not interchangeable, and the Myrtice Richardson case involved only the Sheriff’s Dept.

• They discuss updating terminology (e.g., sex worker vs. prostitute) and their willingness to learn and be corrected.

  “That was a perfect email of telling us why we were wrong.” – Georgia (21:04)

  “There’s nothing better, there’s nothing more quickly that you do that with new information than turn around and use it on somebody else.” – Karen (21:28)

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6. Reflections on Touring and Fan Gifts (22:05–31:23)

• Birthday Philosophy Shift (24:36):

  • Karen reflects on how COVID changed her attitude toward birthdays, appreciating togetherness more.
  • Georgia insists birthday celebrations are for friends as much as for the celebrant.

  “Everyone is lonely, and they need a reason to go somewhere and talk to people. You’re doing them a favor by letting them celebrate you.” – Georgia (25:25)

• Hitting the Road:

  • Tales from early tours—long drives, bad hotels, Mac and cheese with Goldfish toppings, and the life-changing decision to upgrade accommodations.

  “This is a new low.” – Karen on subpar hotel mac and cheese (30:16)

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7. Q&A Highlights—Listener Questions (36:01–90:14)

a. Podcast Origins & Format

• “My Favorite Murder” as a name came instantly; no alternatives. Georgia originated the hometown murder segment.
  (36:43–38:52)

b. Freaky Friday Question

• If they switched bodies:
  • Georgia would “touch my big boobs.”
  • Karen would “start off with your most insane outfit… and change my clothes 25 times.” (39:15–41:23)

c. First and Favorite Murders

• Hosts admit “favorite” is not the right word—stories/murders stick for different reasons at different times.
• Inspiration for true crime interest: books in grammar school, obscure song references. (42:09–46:15)

d. True Crime and the Personal

• Hosts share how friends and relatives revealed previously untold stories since the podcast began.
  • “I rented out my apartment to a mass murderer.” – Georgia’s uncle (51:32)

e. Could You Get Away With Murder?

• Both declare, emphatically, no.
  • “I would leave my glasses there.” – Karen (68:07)
  • “I would confess. I think I just couldn’t carry that around with me.” – Georgia (68:14)

f. Dream True Crime Job

• Georgia: “Detective!” She wants to go through evidence and figure things out.
• Karen: “I’d want to be the person in the lab… when you find out, ‘this is definitely his blood.’” (57:21–59:57)

g. Death Row Last Meal

• Georgia: “Fried chicken… or a whole KFC buffet.”
• Karen: “Mac and cheese… special occasion foods.” (71:00–72:30)

h. Would You Marry a Serial Killer’s Child?

• Both agree: It’s not the child’s fault, empathy would come first, and honesty with offspring is essential.
  (86:12–89:52)

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8. Special Hometown Murder: Jesse Pop (95:21–99:57)

• Jesse Pop shares a chilling story from his time working at his sister’s apple orchard:
  • Former coworker, whose mother suffered from severe mental illness, was later convicted of murdering her.
  • Humorous, understated closing:
    “Take your medicine and don’t kill your mom.” – Jesse Pop (99:01)

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9. Reflections, Rewinds & Closing Thoughts

• Karen and Georgia note how their relationship—both personal and professional—has leaned on communication, therapy, and the willingness to work through conflict:
  • “If you can make this relationship work, you can make any relationship work.” – Karen’s therapist (83:10)
• Discussion about therapy, anger, female resentment, and family history.

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “This episode is a little different. Instead of telling each other about a case, we answer listener questions.” – Karen (02:10)
• “That’s what we give up for this podcast.” – Karen, on traveling on birthdays (02:55)
• “If I ever want to get [my tramp stamp] removed, I just have to cut my flanks off.” – Georgia (15:22)
• “It’s a permanent fuck it.” – Karen, about her tattoo (14:26)
• “Everyone is lonely and they need a reason to go somewhere and talk to people. You’re doing them a favor by letting them celebrate you.” – Georgia (25:25)
• “You want to be a detective?” – Karen, teasing Georgia’s dream job (58:10)
• “There’s no perfect crime. You can’t do it.” – Karen (68:32)

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Notable Moments & Humor

• Tramp Stamp Reveal: Cements Karen and Georgia’s friendship as they finally show each other their tattoos, a long-running inside joke for listeners. (12:00–17:32)
• Touring Antics: Goldfish-topped mac and cheese, bad hotels versus good ones, and their love of hotel restaurants. (29:09–31:23)
• Meta-podcast Reflection: The origin story of “My Favorite Murder” as a name, and “hometown murders” as a major format innovation. (36:43–38:52)
• Therapy and Female Anger: Honest discussion about how they handle anger, family baggage, and the role of therapy in their friendship and lives. (74:40–83:01)

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Quickfire Q&A Stats

• 400 questions submitted in 3.5 days! (36:29)
• Most asked: Could they get away with murder? Would they have a pen pal in prison? Best worst reactions from non-true crime lovers?

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Final Thoughts

• The episode is an MFM classic: breezy, confessional, and interactive.
• Karen and Georgia weave personal stories with podcast lore, make space for correction and learning, and celebrate the odd kinship and community surrounding true crime (and their own friendship).
• Ends with a nudge for listeners to embrace celebration (“let them have your birthday—people need it!”) and forgiveness for impulsive, imperfect tattoo decisions.

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Sign-off

“Stay sexy. Don’t get murdered.”
— Karen & Georgia

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For More:

• Merch: exactlyrightstore.com
• Jesse Pop’s album: “I’m The Best” (find on iTunes etc.)
• Next Rewind: Georgia’s uncle’s sarin gas cult story tease!
• Correction/corner shout-outs always appreciated.

Listener takeaway: For established fans, a nostalgia-packed treat. For new listeners, an endearing primer on why Karen and Georgia are podcast icons.

Transcript

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all new commentary and updates and insights.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Today, we're recapping episode 68, which we named Q N T N A Hot.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This episode is a little different. Instead of telling each other about a case, we answer listener questions.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What a great idea. What a great way to not have to do homework.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. I mean, Jesus Christ, I feel relieved. In the future, listening back to like we were taking care of ourselves.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This episode came out May 11 on the little baby of 2017, which just happens to also be Karen's birthday.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, that little baby. So, okay, let's listen to the intro of episode 68.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's birthday week.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I have to. It's my birthday.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's your birthday week.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's my birthday.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's your birthday month.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love that we're traveling on my birthday.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's what we give up for this podcast.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What if I get the whole plane to sing Happy Birthday to you?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I will ache with this podcast. Never talk to you again. You know, that's my sensitivity.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I cannot, in a restaurant, have anyone sing you Happy Birthday. Right? No. Okay, okay, okay. I didn't think so. But I couldn't remember if it was, like, funny or horrifying for you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, a plane would be bad. Cause then you just have to sit there like a restaurant. What'd you say?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think it would be the best. Cause it's unexpected.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, also, people hate your guts. It's like, in a restaurant, you can join in or not, but in a plane, then you're just trapped with fake fun. But, like, remember when we were at that restaurant in Portland, the turkey restaurant, and.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And someone sang Happy Birthday and it was so fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. I always sing along. Do you sing along?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Always. Always.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, not. I mean. I mean, like, people. I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's the most fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It is. Like, you're so happy for them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They have friends or a loved one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That they're celebrating that this is a good thing. We're all, in some way glad you're here.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Or then if it's just like a couple on a first date, you're like, did one of them make it up to seem fun that it's their birthday and tell them? Or like, is it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And are they that pathetic that they have to make up birthdays to be fun?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Or is it a girlfriend who just got dumped and her friends with her, and she's like, you know what?

[Karen Kilgariff]

You deserve a candle.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm gonna fucking. I'm gonna make you laugh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm gonna get you free hot fudge. That's how much I love you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hey, this is my favorite murder we started.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We are the true crime podcast that asks the question, what if we talk about other stuff?

[Georgia Hardstark]

And also, that's the question.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Mispronounce things. In a weird way, it sounds like I'm a.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's her tagline.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hobo. I said it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is the first. This is the first podcast episode slash transmission from the podcast nook of my new apartment. It's a loft. There's wrestling memorabilia everywhere. Because we watch wrestling. Name this place. We watch Murder. That's. This is a. We watch Murder.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's what the loft is called.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's awesome.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because they record here. They get. They get one Wall of murder. Of podcasting. Nope. Where am I? Wrestling wrestling memorabilia. And we get one and a half. Very filled out, very full of gifts. Murderino gifts to us.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

One of which we just got and I'm so in love with. It's these like plush pillows, one for each of us. This girl got custom made fabric of squirrels and bunnies and foresty stuff and it's adorable. But there's also murder scenes and like, it's cartoon murder scenes and skulls and bones and like buried bodies.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And strips of material that say, stay out of the forest.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It looks like, you know, police do not cross line. But it says stay out of the forest. And they're amazing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's give her very cute shout out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's called. Her name is mariah and it's Etsy.com and her name is Kookalamaka.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Kookalamakala.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What's that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just throwing it out there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Huh.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's K O O K A L M A K A. I hope she's selling these because they're fucking incredible. And they're like. They're like legit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well. And also they're on this for all the other people who've given us lovely gifts. Just know they're here.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They're all.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They're all around us right now. Somebody tweeted at me the other way the other day. Did your lava ball necklace make it back from the Fox theater, which was like first. The first leg of the tour way long ago. And I would like to see report to that person. Yes, of course it did. It's not in this loft. It's somewhere in my kitchen. But we all the stuff people give us, we ship back and then we like sit in it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's gonna be. Once it's all up and I finally dealt with it, it's gonna be. This place is gonna be a fucking hoarder's nightmare of murder.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So good. So thanks for those.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Lovely gifts. Oh, so now we have to talk about casting JonBenet because you guys were.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, I thought you were gonna. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So here's what. I'll just do the quick version of what happened. We decide what we're gonna do is do our first ever live watching podcast recording where together George and I watch casting JonBenet and comment on it as it goes and basically have that kind of experience.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hilarity ensues.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wouldn't that be hilarious and fun and just fascinating?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Turns out. No, I would say we got. Well, it turned out that casting JonBenet was not the thing we thought it was. It was a. I would personally say it was a study on the strange personalities and behavior of actors.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, that's close.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There was a lot of the desperation of the. Of show business. There were a lot of other things happening besides just the story of JonBen Ramsey's murder.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Then maybe this will finally be the thing that catapults me. Much like my favorite murder wasn't when we started it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because we never. Yeah. And it was a lot of opinions of people that I didn't care about. Their opinions.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's. Their opinions seemed super made up. And as we all know, no one likes to look in the mirror.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So I was sitting there going, you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Were fucking pissed off, lady.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Shut your mouth. You don't know anything about. And then I was like, oh, damn it. So it was not. I think we got 15, 20 minutes in, and we just, like, looked at Steven and we're like, turn it off. This is not. Because I couldn't. It wasn't even. Like I could riff about it. It was too weird. Lots of the things that were happening were visual or feel like just bad vibes. And we were basically sitting there kind of shitting on normal people who are tricked into being in this documentary.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think in the beginning, when we didn't realize what it was, we were like, this is funny and it's good. And we were being really funny and riffy. And then it got kind of sad. And then we just. I realized we had both been sitting there in silence for five minutes. Ye. This isn't. What do we do for this week's episode? Because this isn't fucking it. And so we put up a live. One of our favorite live episodes, one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Of our favorites that people had been.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Asking for and we were gonna put out anyways.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We've built in a security system so that we can take artistic chances, but that was not one we should have ever.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This week is one we're gonna take, and I feel like it's gonna go well.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is a good one. Stephen, was this your idea Q and A episode? Yes, I think it was.

[Stephen]

We all like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Was it Georgia?

[Stephen]

No, no, no.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Such a brat. Dang. I hated it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The look on your face when I just looked over at you right now.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You were just like, ooh, I hate myself. It was like, I hate myself. Why do I just let everyone have it? We can all enjoy it. It was my. And yet I.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You don't think I do that? All Day long. That's all anyone. If you think of good ideas, you want credit for it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Such a fucking know it all.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry.

[Stephen]

George's idea.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you, Steven.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Steven's cheeks are all red and now he feels a deep shame for something he had never. Did you steal it?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, I. Stephen.

[Stephen]

No, you're good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you, Stephen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let her up.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What were you gonna say?

[Stephen]

Oh, I was just gonna say. Yeah, Q and A. It's gonna be good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You are correct in your A. The Q is it.

[Jesse Pop]

Never mind.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Go on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, I was just gonna say. Did you have something to say about JonBenet? Looked like you were gonna pick up the mic.

[Stephen]

Oh, I was gonna say we ended up watching like 45 minutes of it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God, you have. So if you wanna pay $1,000 to listen to that, give it to charity. We don't need it. But you can't also, you know, you're not allowed to. We won't tell you what charity it is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're such a marketer. You're such a. Like, how do we take this thing and turn it into. And I love it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm a know it all and I'm a fucking marketer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm a know it all. I'm a non marketer.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So pick one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, there's all these lanes we can be in, but here's the thing. Know it alls. It's because we have experience being right. And so it's. You know what I mean?

[Georgia Hardstark]

You know why? It's because we actually know it all.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Everything. I mean, if there's anything this podcast has proven is that we know everything. We know everything down to science. Someone tweeted and said, please make sure people understand that it is important to give, like, resuscitation. And like, it was something where it was a person who had a lot of experience who was just like. You've basically told people they don't have to give.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God. I asked.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, artificial. Artificial respiration or whatever any of that is, right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

She was like, there's a thing on the wall now.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And you just pull. Don't worry about it. You can pull the thing off the wall. There's a woman like, please, no, that's not true at all.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's a blowhorn on the wall and if you just ram it in their face and blowhorn in their face, they're fine. You don't have to give cpr. You don't have to know CPR anymore.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Congratulations.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, so. But something came out of the JonBenet episode.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. That's right. Because we did take the time at the beginning to reveal each other's tramp stamps to each other, which is a promise. Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank God Karen remembered that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. So we're actually gonna play. That was real time.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, we're. Play that back. We're not gonna recreate it. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So we're gonna play you our reveal that we promised you of our tramp stamps. Go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Quickly tell everyone how and why and where and under what conditions you got your tramp stamp. Go.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, yeah. I had my heart broken really bad for, like, the first big time ever. I was, like, 19, and it was, like, ripped from my fucking chest. And I just needed a distraction. So, so sad that I was just like, I'm getting a fucking tattoo. So I had my friend, perfect solution. You know what I mean? I was just like, I need something else to fucking focus on. So I had my friend who had a bunch of tattoos take me to the tattoo artist in Orange county that he went to, who ended up sucking.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I got hearts on both my, like, upper flanks. What do you.

[Stephen]

You.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You use the word flank, which is great and perfect.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You can see that in your mind.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Absolutely.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So it's two red hearts with a black little outline on them. They're cute.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. It's almost like you, like, you accessorized yourself permanently.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't mind them, and I never see them. I forget they're there. And it totally worked. It totally distracted me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's great, guys. Get a tattoo if you're sad.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, it's perfect.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What about you?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just have a salmon.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's so weird.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just have a picture of a salmon.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Is it like, a filet of salmon on a plate with, like, some parsley in it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's some delicious braised salmon. It's a. It's actually looks exactly like the sticker on the back of a fisherman's truck cab. You know those?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like, oh, here. I like fishing. These specific kind of fish. It's based on that picture.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Is it color or is it okay? Why did you get that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Alcoholism. And we.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Why is salmon.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I've told this story before, but the original plan was we were going to get pogmahon tattooed on our asses. It was me and my two other friends.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What's that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's Gaelic for kiss my ass. So we thought we were drunk. We thought it would be very funny to get that tattooed on our ass. So we went to the tattoo parlor on Sunset. That's not there Anymore. And when we told the guy that was the plan, he refused to do it. He said it would look terrible. The words would have to be too big. Good for him. Thank fucking God for him. But then my friends, who also already had tattoos, had backup, like, plan B's immediately, right? And I was just standing there still totally drunk, and like. I don't know. And so I did, like a thing that I thought would be kind of funny or like. I can't really explain it. It's just the perfect symbol of how I did everything in the 90s.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's almost like a. It's a fuck it tattoo. Yeah, it's a who fucking cares about life tattoo.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a permanent fuck it. Which is what's stupid about it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, it's on your back. Who sees it? Nobody.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Not me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, when you're walking away.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Not me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Not me. I love the fact that you hate fish.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. I can't eat it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You can't eat fish.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can't eat it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right, Stephen, look away. We're gonna show each other our tramp stamps. Can I? Karen, show me your salmon.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's not gonna be good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Your salmon tail. It's not a whale tail. Let's see. Oh, wow. It's actually done really well.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is it?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's really light, too. Yes, it's like a shade. It's well shaded. I was expecting like a cartoon outline of it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no, no.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's actually done really well. It's not as big as I thought it would be.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He's wearing glasses.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. He's got a cigar in his mouth.

[Karen Kilgariff]

For me, it feels humongous, like the size of the palm of my hand.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's not. And honestly, and I'm not just. You don't need to do this. But if you wanted to get that removed, I bet it would take just a few sessions.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I bet it would. Because it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's not bad.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It just looks almost like veins. Like strangely placed veins.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right now it's really light.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, let's see yours.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Are you ready? Mine isn't. And if I ever want to get it removed, I just have to cut my flanks off.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, at least you have flanks.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Talk about mud flaps.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, America, I wish you could see what I'm seeing right now. Kind of cute.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's such a 19 year old Georgia move.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so good. I mean, it looks like two Mrs. Grossman stickers on either side of the above of your butt cheeks. That's so funny.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fuck it, man.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just kind of classic. Yeah. Fuck It.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Adrienne, thank you for breaking my heart. Thank you for having a girlfriend the whole time you were dating me. Oh, Adrienne, thank you for ghosting me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Adrienne, what did you think was gonna happen? And also, do you still feel that now? That human impact hangover that you left?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Do you feel it? We're friends on Facebook now, you know?

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's why I can't be on Facebook.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm so much better than him now. I won.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And you got the hearts to prove it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I got the fucking hearts to prove it. The broken hearts and the butt hearts. The heart of your butt, you know?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So that's tattoo.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. We just had to. We had to get that cleared up before we really could give our full attention.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We can't keep talking about it and then not do it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's exactly right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Remember, remember. And then. So something did come out. Good of.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. We learned a little more about each other. We're just building that bridge of love.

[Georgia Hardstark]

If you had to get another tattoo, what would it be?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Your face next to the salmon on the salmon. You're the salmon's birthmark. And it's all fate.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like God's close up look. God's own salmon.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, I feel, like, obligated to get a stay sexy don't get murder tattoo.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I do. But then what if it all goes to shit and I'm, like, reminded every day that, like, this ended in a fire?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, you'll be reminded every day anyway, so you might as well, like, make it look like you have some sort of sense of humor about it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's true. You can't. And then if I get stay sexy don't get murdered when it all goes to shit, I can write, I didn't stay sexy, don't get murdered at the top.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They're all so. They're so adjustable tattoos.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They're so adjustable.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's nothing more flexible than a tattoo.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, and then. Oh, I wanna wanted to read a corrections corner email.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right. Guess what? I was wrong about stuff. This is Georgia, by the way. This is from. How do you say that name?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's see.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Shaloa. It's got to be better than Shiloh. You're right. How come I can't put letters and they're correct?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because you panic.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I have panic to think dyslexia is that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't you think? Like, the second you look at it and it's not immediately recognizable, you're like, you're gonna get it wrong, and then you don't let yourself.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I also don't think that the. I do want to say that the name Siobhan. The spelling is not fair. I think I've said that before. Anyways.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The Irish name, Siobhan.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Have you seen it in spelling? No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It looks like Siobhan.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's not fair.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's insanity. But that's Gaelic. That's like a whole different language.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. As someone who can't read things, it's not fair. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that one's not fair.

[Georgia Hardstark]

First of all, I wanted to thank you for shelling, for sharing my Treece's tragic story that's a couple episodes back. That's my Treece Richardson. A really great story. Not great, but horrible story. That's important. Okay. Anyways, I think it's incredibly important for the public to be aware of such mishaps and encourage law enforcement entities to learn from these tragedies. Both of the agencies mentioned in your story have been around for a long time and have both wonderful triumphs and shameful pieces to their history. My correction is to bring awareness that the LAPD and the LA County Sheriff's Department are not the same thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hi. Both are two enormous departments within the county of Los Angeles, and lots of people think that they are synonyms for each other. However, when referring to specific cases, especially when there was neglect or misuse of powers, it's important to hold the correct agency accountable. In your retelling of the story, you actually referred to both. However, this was entirely a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department case. LAPD was not involved whatsoever. Thank you, Stephen, for taking the time to read this. I only made the correction because I know that you have such a large audience and don't think that incorrect information, especially in such a turbulent social and political climate towards law enforcement, should be perpetuated.

[Karen Kilgariff]

True.

[Georgia Hardstark]

A small additional correction. A law enforcement officer is never trained to shoot someone simply to injure them. For instance, hit them in the shoulder or the leg. Said Georgia. He didn't write that. Or she didn't write that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just said that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There are. There are other tools at their disposal for less than lethal force. And the firearm is only meant for one purpose. Interesting. If I can ever be of any help on any of these topics, please feel free to reach out. I think we needed this person in an entire episode.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, for sure.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I am a forensic psychologist with a research background in police psychology, and I also have law enforcement experience. Keep up the amazing work, ladies. I love all that you do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Shiloh. Shiloh. Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you so much for that email. I mean, listen, you know what's embarrassing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

To me about that email is I have, as I've mentioned several times, a lot of relatives in the San Francisco Police Department, but I also have had relatives that are sheriffs. So I feel like if anyone should have known that. Very big difference. I should have at least said something.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Should you be the comedy writer? No. Why would you know that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know. I just feel like that's something I kind of know back in the back of my mind. But I think it's because they were. They do it in different areas. So, like, if you were to tell me they were synonymous, I would have been like, oh, yeah, that makes sense to me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was a perfect email of telling us why we were wrong.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And also information that we do really need to know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I'm so happy to get those. In the same way that when we were told that you don't say prostitute, you say sex worker, we have just completely tried never to do that again. And I fucking correct people all the time. In the most cocky way. Actually, Dad. I corrected my dad the other day.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't you feel like there's nothing better, there's nothing more quickly that you do that with new information than turn around and use it on somebody else? Like, that's my favorite thing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The second I'm in it, the second somebody says anything about the sheriff in the lapd, I'm going to be like, I'm sorry. Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt your dinner. Those are two different entities.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They're not synonymous. When do I use that word? And it's because we know everything.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Even until we learn it. And then from there on. But then.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, but then we still know it. And time is a flat circle.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So last week when we played our live episode from Indianapolis. Is that right? And Karen's fucking fabulous murder. What was her name?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Belle Gunness.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Belle Gunness had a fucking thing in the newspaper asking for her husband that she was gonna murder. And it said at the end, triflers need not apply. And we said to you guys at this show, that's our next shirt. And guess what it is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's do Birthday Corner. Oh, go to my favorite murdershirts dot com. I'm all over the place.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Karen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

When this comes out, it will be my birthday. God willing, when this comes out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I could be dead soon. That's true.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, I was thinking more that the entire world will Implode. And there won't be in two days. No grid off the grid. The grid will be down.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's going to take at least four more months.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'd say four days. So when this comes out on Thursday.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We have, let's see, wait, two days.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Two days, the grid won't go down. Yeah, Friday, we're fucked. But on Thursday. Happy birthday.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you kindly.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm so excited for you. We're gonna be on tour.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep. It's a dream birthday. I get to be in a hotel room, which I love. I get to go do shows for our fans, which is the most fun, the biggest, like, ego boost the most. The best way to make a living.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic about the hotel room.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I could live in hotel rooms. There's nothing I love more.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I thought you were gonna get, like, real dark and deep of like, I'm gonna be alone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. You were happy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love you. I'm alone.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was like, vincent, I will take you to dinner. I was like, how much do you want to be with a couple?

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's like, no, you're just make out the whole time. Anyway, you guys, what TV shows do you like?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I wish you had a show on your birthday. That would be so fun.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just travel. The best part about touring.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Can I bring you a donut on stage on Friday at the D.C. show?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Whichever one's first.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Or do you not want a whole audience singing Happy birthday to you? You probably do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, I absolutely demand it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, great. Stephen, what were you gonna say? Happy birthday?

[Stephen]

Yeah, just happy birthday.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, thanks, Steven. Thank you, Stephen. I'm pretty excited. I mean, at my age, you stop caring about birthdays. And I know that people say that it's a real mom thing to say while you throw a dish towel over your shoulder, but you really just.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Just, you know, I think at 23, you stop caring about birthdays unless you're really.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just unless you're really looking for something.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, we're back.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We are back. Any changes in the way you feel about birthdays since 2017, Karen?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I feel like any previous stance I had was deeply affected by Covid and quarantine. So any of that kind of like sour pussy, like, it doesn't matter, whatever is like, I feel like in quarantine, I really had a lot of those dark nights of the soul of, what if I never get to be with like eight friends in a room again? What if there's no more game night ever? Like, that idea was very upsetting to me. So I Think I'm trying to be better about, like, making plans. Even though it seems like a whole nother job to throw a party, I've.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Always been very firm on this thing where I have a lot of friends who don't like to celebrate their birthday. They don't want to do a party. They don't want do a thing. And I always tell them, it's not for you. Everyone is lonely, and they need a reason to go somewhere and talk to people. You're doing them a favor by letting them celebrate.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You turning 47 or whatever the fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like, that's so nice.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They need a reason. Let it be you. I know it's hard.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. You know what? That's such a good. That would completely work on me. And also, I think maybe sometimes the people who say, I don't care about my birthday are they just. The people who are like, what's that thing where you have decision fatigue or whatever, where they're just, like, overwhelmed and they're like, I wouldn't know where to start. I don't know how to please everybody at once. Like, oh, my God, pick a bar.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And go to it. Literally, like, that's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Pick a bar and pick a time, and you're set.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And an outfit and you're fucking done. You just have to show up and you get to leave whenever you want. You get. It's your birthday. You got to do whatever you want.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Everyone buys you drinks the whole time.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally chit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Chatting away. You're so right about the People need to hang out. So they're like, everyone's excited for anyone's birthday because it's like, yes, give me a chance.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just realized, though, that philosophy of it's not for you, it's for everyone else and let them is also the same philosophy I have about funerals.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You know what? They're very similar situations. It's not for you. It's not about you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's about everyone else mourning, not you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's not you. And you don't get to decide.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, exactly.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's very deep. I was surprised that this was the first episode from the pod loft.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I thought we were gonna feel late. Yeah, but no, but I guess not, I think.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, but I guess not.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was. What is that, a year since we started? Over a year since we started. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I guess, like, it feels like so much more because so much happened.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think, like, we finally signed some kind of contract that gave us some cash money.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I could afford a deposit on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

An apartment, you know, on a fancy High ceiling department.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. With a dishwasher.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And some delicious cold coffee anytime, day or night.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, I have bad news I have to tell you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Gus the Jacuzzi cat has gone up to the great Jacuzzi in the sky to hang out with Elvis.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, RIP Gus.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know. And George. They're all chilling around a Jacuzzi together smoking fucking cigars.

[Karen Kilgariff]

George would be trying to kill those cats with every fiber of her being.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, she wouldn't. I refuse.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She was a very unfriendly desert dog that didn't even want to be in my house. She was not a friend to animals at all. That's so funny. She's like, maybe she chilled out in heaven, though. Maybe she like everything. She felt safe again.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, exactly. You can put down whatever it is that you've been carrying.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. All your trauma from out in Hemet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let it go, Hemet.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's okay, little meth dog. Oh. And we reveal to each other that we both have tramp stamps.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. That was an epic moment. That was a turning point in this podcast is like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like, I think so.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know. We're stuck together.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. This is like a disgusting. A disgusting DNA reveal that we're actually, like. We actually are related or something.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Our tramp stamped for synced, and it was like, well, now our white trash.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Got synced up and we're just like, yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes. And now we're stuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hey, permanent fuck up. What's going on?

[Georgia Hardstark]

We.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We've dedicated it. We've tattooed it onto ourselves.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. We touched tramp stamps, and now we're. We did like. Like a blood. You know, what's it called?

[Karen Kilgariff]

A blood pact in tramp stamps. And then we reverse the luck. We reverse the flunking out of every school.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The only way to turn back into each other ourselves. It's like Freaky Friday this whole time is to touch tramp stamps again and.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Fucking wrap this podcast.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right. Come over right now, please.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Get over here, please.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that was great. Oh, and also talking about being on the road.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And we're fucking doing three cities a weekend.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was our first tour, first real tour. Right. And we're doing. Yeah, we're doing, like, drive to the next city, stop at a Burger King or Waffle House if you're lucky.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just remember an Arby's stop once at the end of a weekend, and I was just like, I can't. I love Arby's, but I fucking can't be more constipated right now than I already am.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I always think about how much I used to get at Starbucks in the morning because I'm like, as this day goes by, it's just gonna be less and less all day. So, like, I' get this for later. And maybe if I eat these three things, I won't be hungry until five.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. And I won't need to eat, drink coffee from the stop and come or come and go wherever the.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's called, like road life. It just makes me think of that we were at a hotel that was, I'd say mid range. Yeah. But at least it had room service, like all 24 hours.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And I got a bowl of Mac and cheese and they sprinkled goldfish on the top. And I was like, this is a new low.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You literally reminded me that when we got home from this tour, I said to Vince, let's start doing nice hotels. Okay. Because he was booking all the hotels, you know? And I'm like. And we were being frugal because we didn't have the money. And then I was like, you know what? If we're gonna do this, we're gonna stay at four stars and up. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Please. Yes. Well, you know what that reminds me of? Do you remember that hotel? And we've talked about it several times, but that hotel in wherever we were, Palm beach or Miami or somewhere, thinking.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Of M. And it literally smelled like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We were inside of a pool. Like, it smelled like chlorine. The entire hotel, I felt like that was one of the other breaking moments of like, no more convenience hotels, no more mid range hotels. Like, we have to be able to go somewhere and rejuvenate.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. It has to feel like a treat to get back to the room. That's really key.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Exactly. Because it's enough work. Every other part of it is work.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It is. And that has become like one of the things I look forward to in tour from then and now is like, the nice hotels have nice fucking restaurants. So, like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's like one of the things that keeps me going is like making a reservation at the hotel's restaurant and looking at their room service menu and looking at the amenities and do they have, like. The last hotel we just stayed at had a infrared light sauna in the gym.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did you go into it?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I fucking went into. It was a red light sauna. Like, those are. That's the fucking in top tier of like. Of like wellness in my mind.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. That's great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I totally went in it in my, like, underwear. But don't tell anyone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm gonna have to call the hotel on you. I'm sorry. I'm gonna have to retroactively report you. So Belgium personal ad sign off is Triflers need not apply. It's very famous. Stuck with a lot of us.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So much so that we made it into merch way back in old 2017.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And of course everybody's been asking for a re release of that merch. So we are bringing it back from AQU October 29 through November 4. You can pre order the Triflers need not apply design on a ladies boxy tee, a unisex tee or a hat.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So pre order yours while you [e-mail] shall we get into the show and I guess we answer a bunch of questions that listeners write in Stephen so so funny. I love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, let's do it. Let's get into the Q and A episode. Fall is the season of crunchy leaves, hot drinks and the realization that you've run out of nice sweaters.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

We should get seven of the same color for you so you can wear different ones every day of the week.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean I absolutely will so find.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Goodbye. Hey, let's get questions asked at us.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was our new idea. Questions. My.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a Q and A episode. Everybody get ready. Dun, dun, dun. Did you make any kind of keyboard music for the Q and A, Stephen?

[Stephen]

I got two days.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can you. Do you think you lay in like ready keyboard Exciting music?

[Stephen]

Well, I just saw Guy Branham, so I'm thinking about, you know, talk show, game show. So I gotta.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, let's pause right here for Stephen and put his music in Q and A music. Oh, my God, Stephen, that's amazing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's all teed up now.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What if it's just a baby screaming?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just a Jeopardy theme.

[Stephen]

Oh, that's really good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

With a baby screaming over it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's perfect there.

[Stephen]

So here's some stats. 400 emails in 3.5 days.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wow.

[Stephen]

And yeah, that's the only stat. I guess.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And the other stat is that's the only stat words.

[Stephen]

So the first question I thought would be the most interesting is, who thought of the name my favorite murder? And what were the. Oh, Jessica asked this. And what were the other name alternatives?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, never any other alternatives.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It came out real fast from how I remember it. I was. I believe we were on the phone.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, we were. I thought we were at Cafe 101 in a booth.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, that's very possible. You mean at our. Like that four hour one of our.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think it was the one where I finally was like, can we make this a podcast? And I was like, meet me here. We're doing this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then we. We, like, slowly came up with the idea. Not slowly. I think it was, like, pretty rapid.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was pretty fast.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then I think I went to pee and came back. And you were like, what about this? Yeah. And then I was like, yes. And that was it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There was never any. I remember the notebook I brought, and I recently went to find the page of, like, notes I took on, like, what we could do, and there wasn't any because it was just like, okay, let's do that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. I just remember you came out with the. It was like it was your idea to do it. And then it was. You brought the hometown murder idea. So it was almost like it just went. It was like watching something lay out in front of you where you're just like, oh, yeah, this. I remember pitching that, but for some reason, I remember being on the phone. But then I also remember.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Absolutely could have been.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, who knows really? I would never argue it. But I do remember that night going home and. Cause I was. I think I said verbally to you, what if we'd had like a kind of a dark true detective style theme. And then I went home just to. I just sat in my TV room and did what is now the actual theme.

[Georgia Hardstark]

One take.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was a one take kind of example. It was supposed to be an example. That's why the sound is so bad on it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I wonder if we still have the text. I still have the. I still have the recording you sent me. Because it's in all the texts on. On your iPhone. Yeah, but I just want. It's got to be in there somewhere of like, how's this song? And I think I was like, great, let's do it. I think you recorded it after we recorded our first episode.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, that's right. Because the first one didn't have anything. Right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know. I think the first one, we just needed to put it. Oh, we put it opening. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

All right. Is this interesting?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know. Are you interested? I'm interested.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I guess I am.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is fun. Do you know what?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love talking about ourselves. Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You know what this podcast is? Talking about ourselves. Totally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Self improved.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Talking about other stuff.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep.

[Stephen]

If you switch bodies freaky. This is from Melissa. If you switch bodies freaky, Freaky Friday style for one day, what would you do as the other person?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I would touch my big boobs. Not kidding. I'm sorry. I'm touching your boobs. I just immediately was like, I'd have big boobs.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I would start off with your most insane outfit. Like your most extreme vintage dress.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know which one it is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Pre breakfast. And I would change my clothes 25 times that that day because I have so many clothes. Because you have so many outfits and you have so many combinations. And George's does this thing I call, I have one shirt. I call it my meeting shirt. And every time we, George and I have a meeting together, I show up in the same shirt.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We've had a lot of meetings lately too. So it's kind of been like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's pretty hilarious.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I'm like, I am like, what am I gonna wear?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep. And I'm like, should I leave now? I'm already 15 minutes late. But then Georgia rolls up in clothes that I'm like, I remember people wearing that in 1982. Like these outfits that. That are so rad and perfect.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I would do after.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I have a shopping addiction. It's a problem. No. But I did show up to therapy today and, like, my favorite, like, sweater. And my therapist almost started crying because she was like, I had that when I was in elementary school.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You have so many clothes that I had in elementary school.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's hilarious. That means a lot to me. I love dressing. I love outfits. This is what happens when all you have is hand me downs. When you're a kid from, like, boys, like your older cousin. Boy cousins, you become a shopaholic and then just have all the clothes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And the cutest dresses.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you. I'd touch my boobs still.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You know what I would do too? I would have cleavage. I learned what it was like for someone to talk at my boobs. You know how, like, girls are. I was like, he just stared right at my boobs. And he's talked. That's never happened to me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So I think when you have big boobs, well, it just depends on the kind of person you are. But I. I've been the person that's been like, I know these are not the droids you're looking for.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm sorry to objectify you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, it's okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm sorry if I'm making you uncomfortable.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just have had most basically an A cup my entire life.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I've always wanted to be the kind of girl that like, oh, it's a special party. I'm gonna put on, I'm gonna put a push up bra on and put on this dress. But my boobs in that scenario, it looks rated X. It's like, it looks, looks, it looks, it looks like it's not for public consumption.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I also have like a sadness around showing too much skin where it's like, why do I have to do this in society? Like I get, I definitely, when I'll try to wear a low cut shirt, I get sad. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like you feel like you feel like you have to.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, like I feel objectified. Like I'm doing to you right now. Congratulations.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's fun when your friend does it though. Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It is, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a compliment.

[Stephen]

So this is a question that we got from a lot of people, but I had a question about it because isn't the first episode technically your favorite murders? JonBenet and the Sacramento's East Area rapists. Oh, are those technically your my favorite murders?

[Georgia Hardstark]

We get asked that a lot when it's like what is your favorite murder? And I just don't think there's an answer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Stephen]

So then my question is, has that changed since you've started doing this podcast? Has, like, has what you would consider your favorites, has it changed at all since you started?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I would say it has changed because to me it's the murder story. The best thing that lays out as a story has become my favorite because when it's a person that's say it's just like they killed a bunch of people in one day at the end it's hard to make that have legs or you have to do a bunch of other things, research to pull that out in any way.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like there's a lot of murderous people. Like I wish you would do this that we just can't. Because there's not. It's just this sad short story and there's no conclusion to it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or like we've talked about this a couple times and there's been a couple people that tweeted. But the Georgia Moses story, who is the other little 12 year old girl who was murdered in my hometown, who is black. And so she was basically the like the. It's the opposite of polyclass, where. Polyclass. It was a national news story and nobody's ever heard of Georgia Mother. And when I went. I told people I would do that story. And when I went to research it, every single part of it is so depressing. She was so abandoned and not taken care of and the, you know, not supported in any way. And no one helped her. No adults in her life seemed to help her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She was such a. It's just a sad story that, like, I, you know, it's that kind of thing where then I just. I kind of avoid it because it's like, how do I present this in a way that doesn't want to make you just cry at the end?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. I think the word favorite is so. I just. I love. I love the stories and the mysteries and the horrific circumstances behind it in a way that means I fucking hate it so much that it makes me angry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So that's what you. I mean, it's just so hard to be like, JonBenet is my favorite. JonBenet is really interesting to me because I think that. That it's so diabolical and insane. And then I just. I don't know. There's no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's too many categories, I think, to really pick one and to.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Also.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I've answered that question differently every time we've been asked it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, me, too. And then we get asked, like, what was your first one that you were interested in? For me, it changes all the time where, like, I'll remember a new one and be like, oh, yeah, I love that. I just remember this morning that when I was, like, 13, Jane's addiction was my favorite band in the world. And I just remembered they had a song called Ted Just Admitted that was about Ted Bundy, which made me look. Who the fuck is Ted Bundy? And made me look into it. And that was. It's just like, you just. What was your first? What was. I don't know. What's your favorite?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, it's hard to remember those. Like, everybody has a million defining moments. Or a million. Like, I mean, like, mine isn't even really a murder. I just remember how excited I got when I went to check out the Amityville horror book at my grammar school library. And Sister Rita Rose, who was. Was the oldest nun in the game in the world, still wearing a habit, and she had, like, gnarled old fingers. She looked like a character from a Stephen King novel. Oh, my God. And I went to check that book out, and she was so angry at me, but I was like, it's in the school library. Like, it's not my fault. And I also checked it out multiple times, but that was like a God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I wonder if I went to that school right now and found that book and Karen Kilgerholif's little name. I was like, took a photo of it. Someone please go do that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But I mean, I mean, you know, being that it's my birthday, we'll just say it was fucking over 30 years ago. Isn't that insane? It was so long ago.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I bet it's still there. They don't rip those card catalog Dewey decimal shit out of the books.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I wonder.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's facing it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I can get my friend Katie to go look because she works there. Katie, do it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Go do it. What was the. I'm sorry, what was the question?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I think we're just done.

[Stephen]

That was great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Can you edit that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I'm just kidding.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was great.

[Stephen]

Mary. Oh, sorry. Mary Ecki. Mary with eke asks, what's the best worst reaction that you've gotten from somebody who doesn't share your love of true crime?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, I mean, there are those social media messages we get where it's like, woman of Satan, I'll kill you, or things like that that we just immediately delete and report and don't pay attention.

[Georgia Hardstark]

To, you know what I did, which I know is a mistake, but it ended up making me feel really good. Is I read the. On a thing we were in. We were on the Washington Post. We had an interview which was so incredible this past weekend. And it was amazing and it's like legit. And my mom went wapo, exclamation mark. And I told her about it and I started reading the comments and there were all these people like, how dare they this and that, and every single one was commented on by a fucking murderino very eloquently telling them why they were incorrect and why it was actually good and not in a dick way. And it was. And it's just like we don't need to respond to those things because everyone's. Everyone's. There are bullies for us, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

And also the people that. That stance of like the how dare you stance, do you write to Keith Morrison and say how dare you for reporting the murders that you do in a salacious way on 2020 or whatever, you know what I mean? Like it's. Are you bringing this to other people's doors? I bet they're not.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I bet they are. Keith Cop, call us. Let Us know, can you come hang out with us?

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're the only one that could answer that question.

[Stephen]

Scotty asks, how much money would you have to be paid to hitchhike across the country?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is that Scotty Landis?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I bet it is.

[Stephen]

I think it was.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No. Scotty's like, because I want to take you on a hitchhiking, and I want to. He's a producer. He's like, that's my new show, Hitchhiking.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The new hitchhiking show where it shows real time how killed we get.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And Scotty doesn't intervene when we're actually getting killed.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He just keeps smiling.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He's like, great. This is going to be a hit TV show. I would. I don't need money. Are we together?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't need money.

[Stephen]

I think you can set the terms of it. Oh, no. You have to be alone, and it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Has to be tonight.

[Stephen]

And tonight you have to leave tonight.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We leave tonight, and we have to do it alone.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No. No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So then.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But the.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, the monetary answer then would be. I would. Minimum $6 million.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was gonna say a million. God, I'm cheap. I'm a cheap kill.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, you got to get that money up there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What if Karen, you had to say, you had to accept every ride that stopped. Like, you couldn't be like, no, pass.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, then money wouldn't matter because I would definitely be dead. I mean, right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Georgia Hardstark]

But also, I don't think people pick up hitchhikers anymore.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I think. Well, but if you're a girl, I think it's different.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's true. But if you're murderable, that's different.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, I think me and my big tits are pretty murderable. And I would definitely be wearing a V neck T shirt.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Six miles. Six million for Karen, a million for me. Because I have makeup. I'm cheaper.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Also, I just hate the idea of having to get into other people's cars. Like, you know when you get like. Like at festivals, you get picked up by some kid, it's his car, and he's got weird shit hanging from the rear view mirror and stuff like that. It's not like that's a dream, even when they don't want to kill you much less than when you're also feeling like you're in danger.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I had an Uber the other day that it smelled like he had put his infected feet on every surface of the Uber. On purpose. Did I already tell you this? No, on purpose that he had, like, singing a fucking nursery rhyme. Touched every.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Anyways, but worse than that for me, was why I kind of stopped taking Ubers after a while is because the cologne or whatever was happening where they were using either air freshener or it was cologne. But I would roll the windows and I'd be like, the middle of the night, be like, are you. Are you hot? What's. Do you need me to turn on the air conditioner and just be like, I can't breathe.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Stop it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You and your Axe Body spray are bumming me out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't. It's too much.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a lot. Okay. Did we answer? Thanks, Scotty Landis, for playing ball.

[Stephen]

Since starting my favorite murder, has anyone who's. Oh, this is from Deborah. I keep forgetting to put the names.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Whatever. I'm kidding.

[Stephen]

I'm kidding. Since starting my favorite murder, has anyone who has been in your life for a long time told you a story that you never would have known if it wasn't for the podcast?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Everyone for sure. Yeah, everyone. And. Or they. They mentioned it, and now they tell you more details, or they remember another one and they're like, oh, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, definitely. That's definitely happened.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And they. They don't. It's not weird when you ask them for more details, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, the best example is my cousin. My cousins texting me on, was it Thanksgiving or Christmas to tell me that my cousin Marty, who is now a retirement retired San Francisco policeman, was there and found the fingerprint that broke the Night Stalker case? And, like, they put it together over there because my cousins.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Listen, why would they ever tell you that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, and he was like. I was yelling at him because I was like, how could you not? And he was like, I don't think anybody ever wants to talk about that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think you're gonna bring that up with your random cousin that you see once every year.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hey, you know what I did?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just remember I had the same the other day, like, two weekends ago with my family having lunch, and because of the. You know, we were talking about the podcast, and my uncle, who I see once every three years or something, was like, oh, yeah, I rented out my apartment to a mass murderer. And I. I was like, I'm sorry. Like, and he. And I don't. You know, he's. We don't really connect. And then we went. And I was like, tell me everything. And I have it on my phone record.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do you remember the name of my.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Of my uncle?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, I have it recorded, and I feel like I should save it because it sounds amazing. You know, this sarin gas in Japan Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He was in that cult.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, he rented it to that guy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He rented it to the head of that cult.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yep.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The guy that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Should I just tell you or should I? He's such a funny guy. I think I should save it and let him tell you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. Yeah, we'll do that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. So, yes. The answer is yes.

[Stephen]

Amanda asks, would you ever have a pen pal with somebody in prison?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Stephen]

Oh, what was that?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Not what we're interested in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No. Thanks.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Stephen]

Amber asks, what are some movies that you watched as a kid that frightened you, but you're still nostalgic about?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Poltergeist.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Poltergeist.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Walter. Guys, the best. Arachnophobia.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, poor Michael. I, for a while, was a babysitter, like when I was super broke. And it was right after I started having seizures, so I couldn't drive and I kind of couldn't do anything. And my friend Pat Buckles, God bless her soul, she was like, come and babysit the kids and I'll pay you whatever, she took my car. So it was like she was paying me to be the babysitter, and then she got to use my car.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Cool.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was perfect. But anyway, Michael at the time, who's now like in his early 20s, but he was like 5 at the time, and we were hanging out one night and arachnophobia came on. I was like, do you want to watch this? He's like, yeah. He still had, like a little boy accent. Like, this is scary. Like that. It scared the shit out of him. And Pat called me later and was like, really? Arachnophobia. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Like, I had to relearn how to be a normal person with children because I was like, oh, yeah, you're right. That's spiders coming out of the shower head.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I didn't take a shower as a kid for years. No, for. I still don't take shower.

[Karen Kilgariff]

All baby powder.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What were your movies as a kid?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, the Exorcist we saw. I mean, mine are older, but we would always see those movies that got rerun on at night, late night, standard tv. So, like, the Trilogy of Terror. It's not a movie, but it was a TV show called the Trilogy of Terror. And anybody that was little in the 70s can tell you it was the scariest fucking thing in the world. And we watched it. It was me and my sister. We were probably like 7 and 9. Then my cousin Stevie was like, 13. And then our older cousins were, like, in their 15 16, whatever. We all watched it together with all the parents, were out to dinner. And it's the one where it has a little. The last one is this little doll, and I believe it's Karen Black is the person who owns the doll. And it's like someone gave it to her from a. You know, they brought it back from some different country. And she gets up to take a shower, and the doll that's like this tall is sitting there, and it has a thing around its neck, a necklace that says, never take this off. And then the necklace drops off and the doll comes to life and it has a little knife and it just tries to kill her. And it freaked us all out so bad that, like, that night we spent the night at my Aunt Jean's, and my cousin Stevie got up in the middle of the night screaming like it was a whole event in our family.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, well, we don't even need movies. We need. All the news was, like, horrifying. And they were like, kids, gather round and look at all these horrific scenes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're about to eat dinner. Check this shit out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Check this shit out. I was just watching Unsolved Mysteries the other night, and it's like the song. The theme song makes me want to cry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then what was the one that was like Twilight Zone, but it was newer. It was called Unexpected. What was it? Steven. Steven.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Amazing Stories.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They had some really fucking. And like, all the ghost shit scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think on amazing were amazing stories based on true stories. Or was it just.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think so, because I feel like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was the one. It was either the reboot of Twilight Zone or it was Amazing Stories where there was a woman. A man picks his wife up after she has been attacked. He picks her up from the hospital. Remember that? And as they're driving home, she goes, there he him. That's the man. And she freaks out. He gets out, kills him, gets back in. And then she does it. She just keeps doing it the whole ride home.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And suddenly he realizes he killed the wrong man. Is that. I think that's a Twilight Zone, but.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was a new one.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh. Oh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like it was modern. Yeah, it wasn't the old. It was crazy. You know who will know is Joe Derosa, who is a Twilight Zone expert. Do you know?

[Georgia Hardstark]

So Joe DeRosa. They. He and Pat Walsh have a. Have a podcast that we've talked about called what is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We'll see you in hell.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We'll see you in hell. And I've met Joe Derosa's mom. And she's. She's got this accent like Jersey ish accent. She's like, well, when I was. I would make Joe at 6 years old watch these horror. She's obsessed with horror movies and she was just talking about how she'd make Joe at. I didn't want to watch him alone. So you make your five and six year old kid watch them with you and it's like, oh, I get your. I get Joe so much better now because he had to watch. Had to watch these movies with his mommy. Joe. Okay, sorry. Go on. Not sorry. Why am I sorry?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, never sorry.

[Stephen]

Julia asks, what would your. What would your dream job in the true crime field be like if you could be in the true crime? Like.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Mm, mm.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I guess. Hmm.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Go. Going through of Go. Crime scene analyst. Is that a thing? Can I go through people shit?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's all I want.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Crime scene analyst is pro. Sounds almost definitely like a real thing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I want to go to the estate sale of someone who got killed with the intent of finding out why they got killed.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You want to be a detective?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you. Oh my God. I want to be a detective.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You want to be a detective?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, like a straight up. I don't like, you know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't need a fancy fucking office title money.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm trying to think. I feel like I would want to do something in the lab where they test things where people are waiting to see what the thing is. Really? Yeah. Like I like the idea of being ground zero when you find out this is definitely his blood. It's not his blood. One of those things that's cool. I don't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That seems clean. And I want to get disgusting.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right. I want to get disgusting except for I want it to be like fictionally disgusting where it's interesting disgusting as opposed to regular bummer disgusting.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I imagine the first time I see the real real this really what it is, I would change my mind. But I did find out that an ex boyfriend was worked at a morgue and would pick up the bodies. Yeah. And I was pissed that he got to do that after breaking my heart. That he gotta then be something cool and I didn't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Did he appreciate it? Did he know that it was.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think he did, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Matt Myra also worked for a funeral home.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He did.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I listened to his. I think he was on crab feast and he told the story. It was, I mean, amazing stories. But I feel like I don't even know enough about any of it. Anyone know what my favorite thing Would be. Yeah, but I think the person who gets to call the lead detective to say, we got him Sonny, or whatever.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I want to be a podcast. A true crime podcast. Podcaster.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, I don't think you're gonna. I don't think that's gonna work.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's not a job.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So I've been told.

[Stephen]

Is it getting harder to find stories for the podcast?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, not in the least.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's. We have too many.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I have too many that I'm excited about. The hard thing is actually, for me, finding them for live shows, suddenly the.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Work, the work of putting it together in a cohesive, accurate, condensed way, it's just like that. That's going to please people and having that consciousness of it and all that. I think it's just the self consciousness.

[Georgia Hardstark]

For live shows of all of it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, is that's what's hard for me?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, it's very hard. It's hard, but for me, it's hard but rewarding and I enjoy it for our. For the podcast. But live shows is hard because you have. You want to do it somewhere near the town you're doing it, at least. And then I realized that there's certain topics that I shouldn't be covering in the live shows. So you don't want to do a bunch of child murders, because then you get silence. And that makes me self conscious and weird. So that part is hard for me. So when I do find one, I get really excited. But I don't have mine for this weekend. And it's Tuesday and oh, man, we.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Have so much time because it's so hard.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. But now our tour manager is my husband and he. He's like, are you done? Do you need to do it, Georgia? No, we're not going at it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We simply don't have to deal with that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He's fired from being my husband. They can still be the tour manager.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Stephen]

Oh, and that was from Sarah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thanks, Sarah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hi, Sarah.

[Stephen]

And then Allie asks, she's been dying to know, after Miniso 25, did you two go to Barnes and Noble and get mechanical pencils and a day planner?

[Georgia Hardstark]

We did.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We sure did. Sure, sure.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I couldn't wait. And so I went and got a day planner by myself.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Then we met up at Barnes and Noble to look to. And then Georgia was like, well, let's go look at day planners. And then I was like, oh, I got one already. But then we had sushi. Then we ate a bunch of sushi and we just had a good Old time at the Americana.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, that's it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Glendale's Grove.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Madewell. They love us.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's up? Madewell. Also, sorry. Madewell. But then the J. Crew that's across from the Madewell at the Grove is starting to feel very competitive because I went into the madewell at the Grove. Sorry, this is. I mean, this is Asshole Corner. But I went into the Madewell at the Grove, and the girl gave me a discount. And we had a nice chat. And then I got a tweet later that day that was like, we like you better at the J. Crew across the street comment. Yeah, it was really hilarious.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Can I do Asshole Corner real quick? And last night when I was at the fucking Mecca of Hipsterville of the Trader Joe's and Silver Lake, and were we one of the Trader Joe's workers who was like, I feel like they're on another plane of, like, coolness somehow. Maybe it's because I filled out an application for Trader Joe's and they never hired me. Cause I can't math. So it's like, yeah, you think you're better than me? But she was stocking salads, and she turns to me and just goes. You know, that's the thing. And I was just. I almost started crying, and I think I overdid it. Cause she was just like, great. And, like, walked away. Cause I almost started crying, and she's like, this isn't what I wanted from telling her this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. We. We have nice fans.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

Where to go? Oh, Eve asks. A stat I've heard slash seen slash read over the years is that There are approximately 87 active serial killers in the US right now. Do you think this is accurate? Too high? Too low?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just read an article that said there were 40.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know. I. I've seen lower, like 30 to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

40, but, I mean, that's too many. Also, they don't know. It's all conjecture. So it's like, we think it's this. But then when the Killing Field series was on, it made it seem like there were 500 active serial killers. I mean, it was like, there's tons.

[Georgia Hardstark]

A number I'm more interested in is how many clandestine graves are there? Like, right now, Karen, you're sitting in front of a tapestry of a beautiful forest. And it's like. And when we were driving, we were on a road trip to a location to do a live show, and I was staring out the window and looking at the fields, and all I could think of was, how many dead bodies are buried out there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because there's got to be so many. So serial killers, I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But dead bodies, that's what you want to know?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's an interesting. There's a really good. I believe it's in the Sandman series by Neil Gaiman, but if I'm wrong, man, are people gonna be mad at me? But there was one of the comic books and the whole thing was about how all the serial killers were meeting up at a motel for the. Did you read that one for them? For the serial killer convention that they were having. Having.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That wasn't American Gods, was it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, that was all the Gods.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's called America you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, yes. Similar feel. But I'm pretty sure it was, oh, that's Sandman.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Interesting.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And it was so. I think about that all the time. We're like, do they know each other.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But they hate each other?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Because they want to be the.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I bet they're like, they're not doing it right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Wonder.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wonder.

[Stephen]

Jordan. Adam asks, so my husband got me this Bluetooth whistle thing that. Should I blow it? A text with help and my GPS location is sent to three of my contacts. It keeps updating with my GPS until I check in and verify I'm fine. My question is, what do you think about this kind of technology? Would you guys carry one? And do you think it'll be common in the future?

[Georgia Hardstark]

What if it just picked whatever. It was like a roulette of whatever contacts and it was like your ex boyfriend and some guy you met at.

[Karen Kilgariff]

A back in someone that you used to work with that you do not talk to anymore.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm sorry, what help?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I. The first thing I thought of, like, I love the idea of that. But if in my hands, like this weekend I was at the Bridgetown Comedy Festival. Super fun. Great. I must have lost my glasses five times and a couple of the times they were in my pocket and I was just like in the second I thought they were gone, I was freaking out. And like I left them at the last. Last place I would start walking back to places, the whole nine yards. But so that being said, what I mean is I have that thing of like, I'm gonna be sending help to people never meaning it after a while. Just like the fable, everyone's like, it's just her thing where she touches it all the time. But actually I'm at the bottom of a well. You know, it's gonna backfire on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, eventually we'll know eventually. After Three days of. Have you heard from Karen?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No. Yeah, but the way I of, like, flaking on people and late, it's gonna be like three months later. You're like, should we check on Karen? She might be mad at me or whatever. Just, like, never come over.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I almost got you for your birthday. This, like. It was this, like, journal notebook. And it just said on the front, excuses for why I can't go out, but I didn't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So true.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, dude, I need that too. I mean, I was like, do I have a stomach ailment? Like, this weekend was great because I was trying to do a fake, not a real fast. And I was like, I can just tell everyone that I can't go out and they'll get it. Cause we're in la.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, that's right. That's a classic.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then I had a pretzel.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That pretzel looks so good. Georgia texted me the pretzel. The picture of the pretzel that was breaking her fast. And I wanted to reach through the phone and grab it away from her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The York and Highland Park. And as I was walking back to my car, Vince and I were walking across the crosswalk and this couple, and one of them is like, a model, like, one of the most beautiful women. And she says, hi, Georgia. And I was like, I absolutely don't know anyone who looks like that. And I said, hi. Like, I. Not hi. I said hi, but I. Then she tweeted at me and was like, I said hi to you. I'm a fan of the podcast. And I was like, I know. Because I would have known that. I know a model.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, it's my model friend, Gloria.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Model friend. Yes. Tangent.

[Stephen]

I also. I also. The first thing I said when I got here was like, that pretzel looks amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It will.

[Stephen]

I just was like, oh, my gosh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was so big and had it. It looked like cartoon pretzel. Yes, that's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

York and Highland park, shout out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Well done on your pretzel game.

[Stephen]

Alyssa asks, do you think you guys could get away with murder?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, I don't think. No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I would leave my glasses there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Leopold and Loeb, shout out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

For real.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I would confess. I think I just couldn't carry that around with me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, no, no.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Even considering it makes me feel guilty. Like it's. Everything about it is so terrible.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just. I can't. You know, I wouldn't get away with it because I don't think. Because in my mind, I would think I couldn't get away with it. So I would just go insane. I just couldn't do it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's no perfect crime. You can't do it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And DNA, there's no. I mean, there's no thing that doesn't tie you back. Even poison. It's like, well, they can trace where people bought this poison.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's no way.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's no way.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was like, don't kill people. Stop it. Don't get life insurance policies.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Stop it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Stephen]

Charlotte asks, if you had a chance to go back and be involved in an investigation of any serial killer or unsolved case, which one would it be and why?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, like, can we listen? I know you didn't write this, Stephen, but I want some clarity. Like, from the beginning, let's say, ooh, don't look at that paper. Tell Steven you're answering this from the beginning.

[Stephen]

I'm gonna say, yeah, you're hit the ground running. You're like, first call.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, JonBenet, I'd say Zodiac.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Ooh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just recently rewatched and I talked about it, but rewatched that movie at Santa Family.

[Stephen]

Oh, cool.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's such a good movie. It's so perfect.

[Georgia Hardstark]

A new serial killer movie right now.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What is it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is it the one about the. The British guy?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Someone told me about it, and I got so excited. I think I wrote it in my calendar.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think my friend Carlos, who, like, we've been friends for a long time, but as soon as I started this, he found out about this podcast. He just sends me shit all the time about, like, murder. Great. And he sent me the trailer. I haven't seen it, but.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But we watched it together, didn't we?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Probably.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I bet we did. Okay, so you're probably the person I'm talking about when I say someone told me about it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We're great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, our worlds are just combining.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think we saw each other every day last week.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We really did.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, not even just as, like. And I was probably wearing a new vintage dress in every single one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And I was wearing my same meeting shirt every single day.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, that's a great one. Yeah, that's. That's a hard one, because I feel like JonBenet is easy, easy. It's obvious, but Zodiac is clues and shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, sorry. I meant Zodiac with Mark Ruffalo. I just would like to be around him doing some very honorable and noble police work.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fair enough.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In the seventies of San Francisco.

[Stephen]

Let's see. I think we're winding down more.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love talking about Myself.

[Stephen]

If you were an inmate on death row. Julia asks. This is the same Julia.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Is she gonna ask that? Fried chicken.

[Stephen]

You want your final meal?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fried chicken. I knew that was. I. I love photos.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I do, too.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, man. There was a girl, the girl who got so drunk at one of our shows that she vomited and crawled out and crawled out. Who was lovely?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just fists in the air to you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Girl turned out to be a lovely girl. Had done a dinner party of last meals, and I think she, like, bought 14 buckets of KFC. You know, like, did the whole thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Serving that stuff up.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, what would you do? Because I could go eat KFC right now if I wanted to. I'd fucking hate myself.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But. Sorry, are you saying you would do just full only fried chicken? No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, gosh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or a full kfc, like, buffet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Which. Remember when we were driving to Philadelphia and they had a KFC buffet restaurant?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, that's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

My dream, anyways. What would yours be? What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's see. I mean, I guess it would have to do my. What I call my quote unquote, special occasion foods that I eat. Constantly pretending that it's my birthday all the time. Which is like, Mac and cheese.

[Georgia Hardstark]

From where? Like, it has to be a place or just like a kind. Is there, like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I guess, like, shit, I'm trying to think of, like, where's a place like a soul food restaurant? Mac and cheese, probably. I guess, like a soul. Cause fried chicken.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I guess you're right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Soul food would like those baked beans. That kind of stuff. But also, I was gonna say Mac and cheese. One of those soft pretzels with the cheese dip. Yeah, something like that. Now my mouth's just watering in a. I'm hungry.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm glad this is ending. What was I. Oh, yeah. Oh, waffle.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Chicken and waffles.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well. Oh, I was gonna say we have a little road trip this weekend on our tour. And there is a White Castle.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

As far as Vince is concerned. Or says.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I've never been to an actual White Castle restaurant. I had them frozen so many drunk times.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I'm really excited to go to a real hot.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Out of the bag. We, neither of us, as California girls, have ever had that experience. Never of White Castle. Out of the bag.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hoping there's a Waffle House, but I'm not sure if there is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But either way, we're gonna get our White Castle.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We're getting our White Castle.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's exciting.

[Stephen]

Lauren asks, just curious to know what your thoughts are on Making a Murderer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I loved it. I watched it. I think that was near the beginning of us, of this podcast. Cause I watched it. I started it at 7 o' clock at night and stayed up all night and watched it through the night and into the next morning. And then I remember telling you about it after I did that because I just couldn't stop watching.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Was an incredible, incredible show.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. With people who seemed like they were from central casting of either inept or totally corrupt politicians types. It was amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then I was. I went to. And you were supposed to come to the Strand and Sturm and Drang. What was that? Strand and Dean.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like they had a Q and A or like a Talkie Times.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was great. They were fucking badass motherfuckers.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, it was great.

[Stephen]

This question comes from City Life office.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Uh oh, you're here. They're serving us with our papers through Stephen. You're under arrest.

[Stephen]

It's all been a ruse. City Life office asks, what does a day in the life of Karen in Georgia look like?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, God. Tell me your. You want to tell me your day?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Today we get up out of our bunk beds. Georgia slips into a vintage dress.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I put my meetings in house dress. Karen loses her fucking mind because I'm in house dress.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I panic even though it's eight in the morning.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I woke up late and went to therapy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I screamed at a chair for the first time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Interesting. In a role playing situation.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How'd it feel?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hard. It was really hard.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like, because it felt stupid or it was hard emotionally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It felt stupid, but it was really hard emotionally. And I fucking bawled, which I don't do in therapy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, you gotta get that stuff out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It felt good. Turns out I have a ton of anger I'm just keeping inside of me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hello and welcome to my world.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Have you ever done. I've never done a quote.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't keep it inside me. No. Because I don't have a problem expressing anger or crying at all. I'm right there on the edge at all times of any emotion that you could name. Willing to serve it up with just a little bit of glaze on the.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Top because, well, get ready for cunt. Screamy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Georgia, is that your new fave?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'll back you up, girl. You gotta scream it out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

My therapist was so happy. Like, I could see she was on the edge of her comfy sofa chair.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And she was like, honest, like, cheering. And I was like, oh, I'm doing this right. Finally, after two and a half years of therapy. What did you do to me?

[Karen Kilgariff]

She broke you open.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She broke me open.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, and just so you know, I.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Had a very cream egg.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I. Then you got your stuff all over this. All over that chair. I was raised in a household of yellers and confronters always. So to me, it's not only. I mean, I. I get upset when I know I'm gonna upset other people or when other people are upset, which then makes me need to get mad so that you don't get to have your feelings, but I still get to do my thing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, preemptively shielding yourself from what's about not even shielding yourself, just, like, preparing for it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, recoil, maybe, whatever. It just all becomes a thing. But my dad just saying that because in our family, my dad would answer the phone yelling, so that when people would be like, is Karen there? He'd be like, hold on a second. And then I would pick up the phone, and 8 out of 10 times my friends would go, are you in trouble? And I'd be like, no. What are you talking about? Because the volume and the emotion level in our house was always at 8.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So you must have a lot of tension.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, yes. I have more than my fair share of tension. And also that kind of like being criticized. When you're criticized all the time or, like, teased all the time, then you have a sensitivity that doesn't make sense. That'll come out. And it doesn't make sense to people when it's because it's kind of like a lifelong raw nerve that if it's like a very random one. And then if you touch it. Good night. Zapped good night.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like a fucking mosquito thing. And there's malaria. What the fuck?

[Karen Kilgariff]

You get the malaria and the mosquito catches on fire. It's exciting.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Mine is a timidness. So I say, you don't get to fucking see my anger. I'm gonna put it inside me and get gastrointestinal issues. Cause of my anger. Who's inside of me?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, Yeah. I think that's very common with women.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cause it's not. Certainly not feminine, considered typically feminine or in any way attractive to be.

[Georgia Hardstark]

When I got home from therapy, I had to say to. Is it okay that I'm mad at you? Like, over this thing?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, I couldn't even be mad at him. I had to make sure it was okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, it's very scary.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's a great book called the Dance of Anger. Not to be totally weird.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, we need a. This is a thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, this is a book I read. And it's because it's this amazing breakdown of how people who are angry or use anger, what they're actually doing. And because it's very intimidating and it's very shocking a lot of times. And you. And if you do it correctly, you can really control people with your emotions to a point.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, my mom did that for sure.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. So you kind of. It's just like that would happen in my house is like, if you had a complaint, people would just yell you down with their bigger complaint. Or if you were angry, they were angrier about something else. So it was just like, you could never really have the floor because that was a very threatening thing to have a problem with, like, the system.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, God. It was, like, unjustified. Or your anger was compounded because they wouldn't listen to it. It wasn't just your anger wasn't justified in someone else's eyes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Never. And also, it was always. I was the dramatic one. So it was like, no matter what I was doing, I was being overdramatic. So. Yeah, that's insanely frustrating.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What's this book called?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, it's called the Dance of Anger. And it's basically like, when angry people shut you down, it's the perfect way to get people to stop doing whatever they're doing because you're intimidating them. But if you can get through that and not be intimidated, you can get that angry person to actually break open. Because there's. You paint yourself into a corner when you're like, the angry shouter reactor.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. And you don't ever get to learn and grow and all this and.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And actually, like, communicate what you. What the real problem is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, you show me that too. Where it's like, when I've gotten angry with you, it's like, what. What's really going on? And I want to be like, nothing. You fucked up. And then it's like, oh, well. Well, I feel sad and intimidated over this thing, and I'm panicking. And it's like, oh, my God. It's really scary to be vulnerable. It's horrible how that worked.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And it's easier to be angry. Cause that's the first thing. It's just like the thing that shoots up first. You go with that, maybe double down on it, and then you're free and clear. Cause everyone backs away.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But then for me, having my life.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And it's even harder then at that point to come back and be like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, no, yeah, you can't. There's no. I mean, talk about rigidity and you really have to. Then it's like 90s stand up comedy where all we did was go like, that person sucks. That person sucks. And then suddenly you're like, well, then everyone's my enemy. Doesn't make sense.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And everyone's just trying. Why do they suck?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And also, really. Cause what you're saying is I suck.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Crying today was really helpful. And I'm really excited to go in my closet and put a chair in the corner and scream at it. I can't wait.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's gonna be great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's. You've got your elbows deep in the good stuff right now.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is the. She's been like, here we go. And I'm like, why have I been paying you for the past two years when you sort of tell me to scream and fucking cry?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because it takes. That's the thing about therapy. Like, I remember in, like, year seven with my therapist going, ooh, I feel like we just chipped something off. And she's like, that's right. Like, we're just chipping away a calcified wall of bad ideas that we're. Pretty soon we're gonna get to a door, and then I'm gonna be too scared to open that door.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What was so funny to me is last week you and. And I were having dinner at a place, and then I was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna go every other week with my therapist. I think I'm good right now. And then later I was like, yeah, my therapist said to me that next week we're gonna get into the deep mom stuff. And you were like, so you're gonna go see her every other week, huh? And it was, like, so obvious. I was like, I can't deal with that. I'm gonna go not see her anymore. And that made me be like, maybe don't not go see her every other week. Maybe you really fucking need to get into the shit now.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry, I caught you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I caught you. I fucking co blocked me so hard on not seeing my therapist. Thank you. Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're welcome.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's really great today.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're welcome. I'm glad. That makes me very happy to hear.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, that's good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So that's basically how our days go. Oh, yeah. If that's not what we're doing, it's what we're talking about.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Therapy is life, man. Really.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And also what I told Georgia at one point, I can't remember, we got into a fight about some dumb thing. And then after, when we had a great talk, about it. That's the thing I love the most, is that we. We always have the best talks. We get further along. It makes me so happy, and it makes me happy to be friends with you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you. Me too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But growing and learning, we really are. I told Georgia, I go right at this point, I feel like I'm being paid to maintain a good relationship with you. Like, that's all we have to do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's what this podcast is, is making sure that. What if, like, nobody listens? And it was just our therapists feeding into, like, they were all the Twitter people, and they were all the, like, people buying tickets to the shows and just giving away for free, Being like, God, they're learning so much finally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What great therapists that are really dedicated to us.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That'd be amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What were you were gonna say that we. You're being paid to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no, just that joke of, like, that. That's. And also my therapist actually said that to me. She's like, if you can make this relationship with Georgia work, you can make any relationship work. Which is, of course, after you get a different divorce, you become convinced that you just simply can't do it right. And so why try? And why. Why, like, why go back to, you know, a ground zero type situation and be like, oh, I guess I'll do this again and fuck it up again.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Be bad at this months, or in five years it'll fucking implode.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Nope, it could actually work with the right temperament and the.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like a resilient. A quality of resilience and a quality of being willing to say, I made a mistake. Can we fix it?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's all.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. You know what? We're all human.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Stephen]

That was really beautiful.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Steven kept putting the microphone when he thought it was over, and then we just kept going.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can I interrupt you guys? Oh, no, please stop.

[Stephen]

Keep this going.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Steven was like, I wasn't. Can you guys stop? I'm not recording.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We've got some many more questions.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Should we end on that and play Jesse's murder, or is there a really good one that you wanted to end with? Steven?

[Stephen]

There's one good one to end with.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Stephen]

Okay. And then one note, because people were asking what my favorite murder was, and it's selena from episode 32.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's right.

[Stephen]

That was my favorite.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because you remember it as a child, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

It had that same kind of impact when. When people talk about that thing where you saw on the TV or.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And you grew up in a Mexican American family.

[Stephen]

Yes, exactly. Yeah. And so it was just something you talked about all the time, so.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, well.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And it's so shocking.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's so. I think about that one a lot, too, where it's just so unnecessary and so tragic that. And so surprising the way it happened. It wasn't a, you know, a male. Rabid male fan. It was just this insanely mentally ill woman, and it's so unnecessary and sad.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And at that point of it, the double tragedy or the extended tragedy of that, she was just about to potentially cross over and kind of become this Mexican American star that was like, suddenly it's like, these are. Here's another kind of music that you can get into and listen to and hear. Like, she was just. She was basically on that train of everybody knowing her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wonderful person, too. Sorry, Steven.

[Stephen]

So this is. This question. I had to print out the email for it because it's sort of a hometown as well. The headline is, would you marry a serial killer's son? Hello, Karen, Georgia, Steven and fur babies. Love the podcast. You hold a special place in my heart. I'm really curious to know what each of you would do in this situation. A relative of mine met the love of her life, and after a whirlwind, whirlwind of romance, he sat her down for a serious chat. He said that he would love to have a future with her, but before they went any further, she needed to know that his father was in jail for killing and dismembering a large number of sex workers.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no.

[Stephen]

My relative decided to stay with her man, and they are now married with children. I guess the next thing to do is decide when to tell her children about their grandfather before they can discover it online for themselves. If they choose. What would you do?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, I would definitely continue a relationship with that person. They're not responsible for their father's actions and the fact that they. They understood the severity of it enough to sit them before it was very, you know, before they were in deep. Let them know, because understanding that that's a choice someone would make, that's very mature. I would never hold that against someone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, I would never hold that against anybody. And it's that they're actually a victim as well. It's not. If there's anything. It would just be like, how difficult that would be for a person. It would almost. I feel like I would like to think I would have even more empathy for that person because they had gone through such a serious life challenge and their relationship and I mean, everything about that would be so hard for that person. I would just feel such deep sadness and empathy for them that it would almost be the opposite of, like, I wouldn't break up with them never.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And as for the kids, I feel like you slowly introduce, like, you know, as they understand what grandmas and grandpas are. And what about dad's dad? Where's dad? You know, you say he did a very bad thing and he's in jail, he's in prison forever for it. Or, you know, and you slowly let them know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You know what?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I really give more information to them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Because I realized this and it's weird that I've never said this before and I in no way was holding it back. I just kind of mentally like rediscovered it recently. But my mother's father died when she was 21, so I never knew him. But I found out when I was a full grown adult. I think probably in my late 20s. My dad told me he was stabbed to death in a bar fight.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Holy shit. And that's how he died.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's how he died. But we were always told he died of a heart attack.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And so it wasn't till much, much later. And I didn't, like, I didn't know anything about it, but I only recently realized where I'm like, oh, actually, isn't that funny?

[Georgia Hardstark]

When it's your own thing, you don't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's my own thing, but I also don't. I have no connection to it except to know, like, my mother never spoke about it and she never, like, for the story she kind of put out, there was like, he just died of a heart attack. Like, don't worry about it. And she didn't like him because he was a really bad alcoholic and he had, you know, he was, he had a lot of problems. So it was almost just like, that's the side of the family you don't talk about as much tragedy. I know. Isn't that weird?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know if it's my story to tell, but I'll just say that Vince's grandfather, he never met, who was a police officer who died in the line of duty. And so his, the grandfather he grew up with was his step grandfather. And it's just this, like, they didn't talk about it either.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. I feel like more people than you would know. Like, if you ask people like, about the tragedies in their family, you'd be shocked how many have humongous ones that they just simply don't discuss because they've.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Grown up with it as a secret or as a thing. And nobody will discuss it with them. Or them wanting to know more about it is. They're a bad person for wanting to know more about it. They're opening wounds or they're.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Like, it's very. It's too sensitive or it's interesting.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That is interesting.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's a good question.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Good luck with that, everyone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was it.

[Stephen]

Yep. That's the Q and A. Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was fun.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was fun. I mean.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I like. Let's just change the podcast. Two questions for us. You guys, thanks for sending 400 questions.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

In such a short time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We'll do it again sometime and get.

[Georgia Hardstark]

For sure.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Get other ones.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And, Stephen, thank you for going through all of those. Are there a lot of weird ones?

[Stephen]

No. I mean, yeah, These are some great questions that I liked.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you. Good job. Those were really good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, those were really good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you. And we're back.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We were just saying what a brilliant idea. We had to stop doing homework for one week and just be able to answer some questions.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's like the Guy Brenham episode where it was like, oh, great, someone else has to do the heavy lifting. And in this one, it's Stephen. We, like, we said, ask for questions and then go find them. We didn't even have to find the questions ourselves. Stephen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep. Stephen fully arranged the entire situation. And then it was just fun because then it was like a little bit of a conversation.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I gotta talk about. There is a moment here that has stuck with me about Steven that's like, you know, the soft spot I have in my heart for him. One of those things includes the fact that the murder of Selina is his top, you know, favorite murder in that it's the one that always stuck with him. And it's just like. It's so sweet. It's so sweet. It's so Steven.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so Steven. It really is. He's a beautiful angel and a great talent.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And so let's both read our last text from Stephen. Open your fucking phone right now. And let's be our last text exchange from Stephen. Do it. Go. Hold on. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Mine's from Wednesday, September 10th. It says, Karen, I went to the opening of the Jaws exhibit at the Academy Museum. You have to go. It was great. Getting to see lots of original props. And then there's a picture of fucking Steven Spielberg speaking at a podium while it says Jaws exhibition. And an orchestra, like, so Steven's in the audience for this incredible, like, jaws 50th anniversary. And before that it was hope the tour goes well and you have a great show on our first night.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. Love your Stephen text.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, it's so Steven.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's so Stephen. The audio sounds different, by the way.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, it's because we had a major WI fi meltdown.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. So we're picking back up.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a different day. It's a different reality. But still pretend it's real.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It sounds better.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It sounds so much better.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Steven sent me a photo of his cat, Penny Lynn. That's my last interaction with him. I said, what a sweet angel. And then he gave me an update on her new diet, food and meds.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can I see her picture?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That cat is so cute.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She's such a cute little orange.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She's a dainty orange tabby. Yeah, I like a new segment text from Steven.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know. Yeah, rewind. Why not with Steven's cat.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He always gives them. We might as well turn them into content. Okay, so now we're back into this episode, right? It's the Q and A episode. This is now a hometown story from your friend and mine, hilarious comedian Jesse Pop. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

We have a quick hometown that I this is a murder. I've always, I, I saw this one years ago on like a dateliner. Some stuff that I couldn't do because it was kind of one of those small ones. But then I found out when I met Vince that one of Vince's best friends, Jesse Pop, was directly connected to this murder. Wow. Yeah. And so Jesse Pop, fucking hilarious comedian, he just came out with his new album called I'm the Best, which is so funny. If you know Jesse Pop, that, that's, it's just so hilarious. It's him in a RoboCop costume drunk.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That he actually really wore to a Halloween party at a bar.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But he's like got a solo cup and he's drunk. He's just such a, a funny person. And I watched the live taping of this comedy album and my fucking God, he's one of the best joke writers I've ever heard.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He's among the comedy community. He's known as one of the best stand ups there is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So it's an album worth buying.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, for sure. I'm the best. It's on itunes and all the places you buy stuff. And so here is Jesse Pop's hometown. Wait a only pronounced speaker. Okay.

[Jesse Pop]

All right. This is my hometown murder. About six, seven years ago I was living in New York and I ran out of money so I went back home to Michigan through got a job at the locals apple orchard there. I was just kind of like you know, riding a tractor, you know, doing shit you can do, and you don't know how to farm. And. But there was one kid there, and I talked to him a few times, and he kind of. I mean, he wasn't. He just struck me as a little squirrely, nothing too crazy. And then I asked a few people. Not a few. Just, like, shooting the. I was like, so. So what's up with this kid? There I go. He's nice and all this. And it didn't really stick in my mind. And then, you know, I saved up some money, went back to New York, and then a year later, this kid got arrested for murdering his mom. Oh, that's a little crazy. And then turns out what was going on is she. The mom was schizophrenic and bipolar and also very, very religious and wasn't taking her medicine because she thought it was sorcery. And she had gotten so far gone, she was like, stashing knives in her headboard and. But for, like, tracking devices in her bloodstream and all this coming also. So the dad had started stepping out. And there's also, like, a little. Before the murder, she'd been arrested for strangling this kid because he was trying to get her to take her medicine. And then also he had a younger sister who the mom was homeschooling still, for some reason. So there's a lot going on. Even on the news, they'd be like, you know, the perfect family, which is not what was going on. Anyway, so it's a very grisly scene, I guess. Asked where there. No one broke in, no signs of force and anything. Someone took a 2x4 and basically bashed her head open a bunch of times, and then. And took a knife and stabbed her in the throat a bunch of times. And there was blood and stuff. And this kid said that he had been. His alibi was that he had been planting bushes for a neighbor lady, which turned out not to be true. And then he punched into work and his hands were all up. And he told people this. Removing pallets, which. Moving pallets doesn't really get your hands the way that his work. So we got arrested and he got convicted because, you know, people were defending him and saying there's no way he did it because he's so nice and. But he got arrested, and he's gonna do at least, I think, 20 or 30 years or something. And I. Yeah. So take your medicine and don't kill your mom.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Nice.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thanks, Jesse.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's exactly right, Jesse.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Take your medicine and don't kill your mom, please. The other thing he didn't mention in that the apple orchard was his sister. Jesse's sister's apple orchard. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I've been there. Spicers. And I had a fucking apple cider donut. Michigan. Oh, my God, the best. This took me there in Michigan and it was amazing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's so intense. I know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Did you ever see the like 20, 20 or 48 hours about that one? It's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The story sounds familiar. But as I was listening to him tell it, I was like, is it familiar? Because he's told it to me before.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because sometimes he'll wear the Spicer's apple orchard T shirt.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, what is. Is he an ironic hipster? And he's like, no, I used to fucking work here.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was a great way to end a really fun question. I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Next minisode hometown murder, I'll play my uncle's Sarah Gas situation. Amazing. I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thanks, Jesse. That Jesse pop by his album.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm the best.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm the best. Vince Averill, my husband, put it out on his record label.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's his record label called?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's called Capsule Records. What if I fucking didn't know?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was like, oh, no. Last slow motion of like, think of the T shirt.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cut this. Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on the story?

[Georgia Hardstark]

There actually are. So the Jeffrey Pine case was covered on a 48 hours in an episode called the Perfect Family. They also did a follow up segment asking if the way his mom was killed proved premeditation. CBS News ran a series of articles during his trial and after the verdict. And it is such a sad case.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just terrible.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. And Jesse lived it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Right at his world. That's like a reality shift experience to have to know about that in childhood.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, so let's talk about the title a little bit easier. Originally this episode was called Q and T and A.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But maybe if we're naming it today based on something we've said in the episode, we would call it nothing more flexible like a tattoo or God willing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Which is Georgia joking that it'll be my birthday when this episode comes out. God willing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love an inappropriate God willing. And then we could also do excuses for why. I can't wait. Can't go out. I love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, to this moment. To this moment.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right, well, thanks for listening and we're going to say goodbye to you from way back in 2017 in the pod loft.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, that was awesome. Thank you Steven for that. Doing that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And thank you guys for sending in those questions.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was so much fun. Stay sexy and don't get murdered by Elvis. You're sitting right here. Do you want to come, Cookie? He said it right. He poked his head into the microphone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Up like a voiceover actor and meowed into the microphone. You're the best.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Good job, bubby. Bye.

[Stephen]

That's amazing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was hilarious.

[Stephen]

It's my time to shine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye.