Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 70: Live at the Moontower Comedy Festival

Summary

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Podcast Summary: My Favorite Murder – Rewind with Karen & Georgia: Episode 70 "Live at the Moontower Comedy Festival"

Podcast: My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Episode: Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 70: Live at the Moontower Comedy Festival
Date: November 12, 2025
Hosts: Karen Kilgariff & Georgia Hardstark
Context: A retrospective "Rewind" episode revisiting the iconic 2017 live show in Austin, Texas—complete with new insights and, most importantly, the 2025 update that the infamous "Yogurt Shop Murders" have been solved.

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Main Theme

This Rewind episode revisits a fan-favorite 2017 live show recorded at Austin’s Moontower Comedy Festival, centering around two legendary Austin crime cases: the Yogurt Shop Murders (now finally solved) and the Servant Girl Annihilator. Karen and Georgia reflect on their old commentary, reminisce about the quirky atmosphere of live shows, and deliver long-awaited case updates, all while maintaining the signature mix of true crime depth and comedic candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nostalgia and Stage Antics (02:13–18:05)

• Recap of the Original 2017 Show: Karen and Georgia reminisce about performing at Austin's Paramount Theater, referencing the city's supportive "cool people" vibe (11:01), the nerve-wracking pressure of comedy audiences, and the peculiar haunted history of the venue (19:11).
• Banter and Personal Anecdotes: The hosts and guests share light-hearted moments about flying mishaps, the culture of wearing cowboy boots, and nervous backstage energy.
• Memorable Quote:
  • "Serial killers are my Google." — Karen Kilgariff (06:07)
  • "Are you from 1955? This is amazing." — Karen, incredulous at a guest's barf bag use (10:10)
• Musical Theater Tips: Karen jokingly gives dramatic singing advice—“If you’re gonna sing about the horizon, you don’t point to the horizon...” (13:13)

2. Texas Humor, Frozen Yogurt, and Setting the Scene (18:05–28:30)

• Texas and Yogurt Culture: The hosts riff about the naming conventions of froyo shops in the ‘80s and ‘90s ("the penicillin of America" – 28:45), and reminisce about teenage work culture, sleepovers, and Target underwear.
• Notable Comedy:
  • “Penicillin of America: frozen yogurt.” — Karen (28:45)
  • “You can’t name it right, just call it My Frozen Yogurt and be done.” — guest (29:27)

3. The Yogurt Shop Murders: 1991 Austin Tragedy (28:07–52:12)

Original Story Recap (28:07–52:01)

• Case Overview: In 1991, four teenage girls—Amy Ayers, Sarah & Jennifer Harbison, and Eliza Thomas—were brutally murdered while closing up “I Can’t Believe It’s Yogurt!”.
• Crime Details: The assailants set the shop on fire to cover up the crime; flawed police investigation led to decades of confusion, false confessions, and wrongful convictions.
• Investigative Blunders: Evidence contaminated due to the initial response as a fire, poor scene security, missed finger/accelerant tracing, critical witnesses not called at trial.
• Notable Quotes and Moments:
  • "You can tell I’ve worked in an office for 10 years because I know how to boop these chairs." — guest (18:41)
  • "I had a seizure on a plane—no brag." — Karen, tying humor to vulnerability (08:02)
  • “This is a crime that is not for teenagers. It’s for a sadistic serial killer.” — Georgia, on suspect profiles (48:59)

New 2025 Update: Case Solved! (54:11–59:40)

• Breakthrough: In 2025, DNA analysis finally linked serial killer Robert Eugene Brashers to the murders, after matching YSTR DNA from the Austin case to an unsolved 1990 South Carolina case.
• Investigation: A bullet casing found in a drain at the crime scene matched one from a 1998 Kentucky homicide, helping link the crimes.
• Key Quotes:
  • “The yogurt shop murders have been solved!” — Karen’s euphoric breaking-news moment (55:40)
  • “All we ever wanted was the truth. Vengeance was never it.” — Barbara Harbison, victims’ mother (58:36)
• Reflection on Cold Case Policing: Karen and Georgia praise Austin homicide detectives’ humility in revisiting old mistakes and modernizing investigative approaches. (59:21)
• Notable Moment:
  • “Cold case detectives, they’re standing for new policing…” — Karen (59:21)

4. The Servant Girl Annihilator: Austin’s 1880s Axe Murder Mystery (62:28–88:03)

Retelling the Case (62:28–88:03)

• Crime Spree: A series of gruesome axe murders rocked Austin in 1885–86, targeting domestic servants and their families. The community was gripped by paranoia, curfews, and wild theories (supernatural killers and invisible monsters).
• Victims: Names and fates of victims like Molly Smith, Eliza Shelley, Irene Cross, Mary Ramey, Gracie Vance, Susan Hancock, and Eula Phillips are recounted with evocative detail.
• Humorous Tangents: The hosts repeatedly find ways to cut the tension with irreverent asides—e.g., disastrous Target underwear, “missing a left toe” confusion (81:20), and jokes about Victorian fashion.
• Notable Quote:
  • “Six of the murdered women had a sharp object inserted into their ear—the worst.” — Karen (80:27)
  • “He was also described as a man wearing a Mother Hubbard style dress... So much work.” — Georgia (82:31)
• Theories & Legacy: Speculation includes the killer being a local cook named Maurice, possibly the same person as Jack the Ripper or the Axeman of New Orleans. The case remains unsolved, though modern archives have uncovered forgotten documents.

2017 Archival Update (88:17–89:05)

• Discovery: Travis County archivists unearthed lost files, including a diary and inquest documents—no solution, but tantalizing new breadcrumbs for crime historians.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Serial killers are my Google." — Karen (06:07)
• “Penicillin of America: frozen yogurt.” — Karen (28:45)
• “All we ever wanted for this case was the truth. Vengeance was never it. It was always the truth.” — Barbara Harbison (58:36)
• "Six of the murdered women had a sharp object inserted into their ear—the worst." — Karen (80:27)
• “The cold case detectives, they’re standing for new policing because they have to go back and be like, what mistakes did we make the last time that we're not going to make this time.” — Karen (59:21)

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Major Segments & Timestamps

• Banter & Austin Recap: 02:13–14:00
• Haunted Paramount Theater Discussion: 19:11–20:58
• Setting the Scene – Yogurt Shop Murders: 28:07–38:33
• False Confessions & Police Missteps: 39:10–43:05
• Breakthrough & Exonerations: 43:43–52:01
• 2025 Case Solved Update: 54:11–59:40
• Servant Girl Annihilator Story: 62:28–88:03
• Archival Files Found (2017): 88:17–89:05

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Tone & Style

The episode oscillates between irreverent, self-deprecating humor and genuine empathy for victims’ families, blending wit with thorough research. Karen and Georgia’s storytelling leavens gruesome facts with relatable side-quests (Target underwear, musical theater gestures, and cats), anchoring hard true crime with human warmth and comic timing.

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For New Listeners

Even if you haven’t listened, you’ll come away from this episode with:

• A vivid sense of the weird energy of live true crime/comedy podcast tapings.
• A thorough, emotionally resonant summary of two famous (and very grim) Austin crime cases.
• A heartening reminder that cold cases—even the most “hopeless”—can be cracked with persistence, humility, and new science.
• Lots of laughter, even in the face of horror. (“It could be all of us in any yogurt shop...” – Karen, 52:01)

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Closing Thoughts

As always, Karen and Georgia thank their devoted Texas fans, riff on possible alternate episode titles (“Penicillin of America: Frozen Yogurt,” “Jobstoppers”), and share their signature sign-off:
“Stay sexy and don’t get murdered!”

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For More:

• Documentary: The Yogurt Shop Murders (HBO)
• Book: Who Killed These Girls? by Beverly Lowry

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Transcript

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

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[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

My savior.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all new commentary, insights and updates. And this week we are giving probably the best kind of updates update we could possibly give.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

That's freaking right. The yogurt shop murders have finally been solved. So we're gonna recap episode 70, which we named live at the Moon Tower Comedy Festival. And this was recorded in Austin, Texas.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So amazing. This episode came out on May 25, 2017.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

All right, let's get into it. I can't wait to talk about this. Let's listen to the intro of episode 70.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Hi, Austin. Oh, my God, me too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just do that for a little longer. I'm trying to finish my mint. You don't mind?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

They love it. They love it. Spit it over there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's up, Texas? We're finally here.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I wore my cowboy boots for you guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, take a walk. Walk those things around.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Vince said. Oh, hey.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Scared. Vince said that they're culturally appropriating. Yes, I'm culturally appropriating.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is definitely a problematic way to start the show. For sure.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

For sure. And I also wore my hair closer to God. I guess that's the thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, they love that.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

See, I know how to pander. Yeah. Yeah. What about. What are you wearing tonight, Karen?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm wearing a dress that's a little too tight. And so it's got. I've got, like, a reverse Spanx situation where kind of, like, you can't tell if it's a big stomach or a flop of material, and neither can I. I'm not sure what's happening down here, and I don't care anymore.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Show everyone your pants, Phoebe.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I really wanted to put my microphone next to that microphone. Do you know how much the sound guy would hate me if I did that? Just, like, what do you think?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So obnoxious.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

This place is haunted. I heard Stephen, is it? Steven sent us this long text that I got after, like, we got off the plane, and it was like. It was, like, the history of this place. And here are all the ghosts.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's a projectionist that worked here when this was a movie theater. And he died while showing Casablanca, which everyone thinks is beautiful because he died doing what he loved. I agree. I didn't mean to say. I didn't mean to say it like that. That sounded argumentative and bizarre.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So stupid.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You guys think that's nice? What you don't know is.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I was gonna tell you on stage that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Saving it for this.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So Vince and I were on the airplane today, and I couldn't, like, get into WI Fi, so he was, like, leaned over, as the husband will do, and I was like, let me figure this out. And so he, like, figures all this stuff out, and then he goes to click on a website just to see if it's working, and he pulls down my favorites page, which, you know, most people are like Facebook and Twitter and, like, Craigslist or whatever. Like normal things are.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And it was.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And then he stares at it for a minute and he goes, are these all serial killers? And I was just like, yeah, yeah. And then we moved on and that was it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Serial killers are my Google.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

They just. That's all it is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Given.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I had a kind of fascinating thing happen. First of all, I was the last person on the plane.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God. You give me a panic attack. It's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know, it's. That's how different George and I are. I was standing in the security line like, oh, this sucks. And George is like, text, text, text. I'm on the plane. Where are you? Fuck. So I walked right on last. But then a guy who looked like he was. It could have been. I mean, he was on his way to the city, but I was like, is he coming to our festival? He was really big and he had a ton of tattoos and many on his neck.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

My friend used to call those the job stoppers. Just something to consider. But these guys look like they were in a band. It could have been Linkin Park. I'm not sure. I'm really old. I'm incredibly old, but.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And he didn't have tattoos that are like. Oh, he just pays a lot of money and gets tattoos. They look like prison tattoos.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They look like defensive maneuvers. The way a cuttlefish chain changes into a different thing in the ocean of like, don't get me.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He was totally like, beware of me. I'm very scary. Well, he stands up and he's like, I gotta get off this plane. And he fucking takes off. He had to go. He couldn't handle flying the plane.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

He was panicking.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Aww.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's sweet. You should have cradled him the whole flight.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Could you come down here a second? You're gonna love this.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Hold your hand.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know it's a weird time for you and it's probably very shaming to be a very large, mean looking man that's literally like, get me off this plane right now.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Bested by a panic attack.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Man.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's a bummer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, I've had it. I've had. And on a plane. I've actually had a seizure on a plane. No brag. No brag. Oh, no. It's pretty cool. I was. I had been bumped up to first class because they screwed up my ticket. And I was flying home from England.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And I was sitting next to. I was sitting next to this man who was like. He was like a silver fox. And he had like, really Expensive clothes on, from what I could tell, like, not Target. And like, I wanted to touch it. And he was like, kind of being charming and talking to me. And I had the thought in my head of like, why can't I have a sugar daddy? Why can't I be one of those girls? I would be the best kind because you wouldn't see it coming. It'd be like, oh, is that your assistant? And he'd be like, yep, that's my assistant. I had this whole fantasy in my mind of how we were gonna do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But then I had a seizure. Oh, my God.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's the worst possible.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Not cool. Like, it's not how you want a guy to see you foaming at the mouth with blue lips. The last thing I heard was him go, excuse me, I think this young lady needs help. Like, he was already. It's like we were no longer even close anymore. He was immediately distancing himself from me just because I was having a seizure like a common drug addict on a plane.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Woo.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That makes me. That's scary.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know. Sorry. I just dug that one up from deep down. Deep down inside.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I've only done a normal throwing up thing on a plane before. Which, like, everyone here has probably. Right. Nope, just me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, I think they have some questions, like, I do. Was it in the aisle or in the bathroom?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No, no, no, it was in a receptacle. Like, not in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where in your lap, though.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I don't. Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Say yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Into one of them bags.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You used a barf bag on a plane?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Are you from 1955? This is amazing.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, that happened. That's what they're for though, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, totally. Sorry. The tone is wrong. I'm a little nervous, so everything I'm saying isn't how I mean it. It's all coming out super weird. But did you have to. This is the question I've always had. Because it's barf. I mean, it just comes out. So do you, like, make your own thing at the top so it doesn't come out the sides?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Hopefully it won't be like, overflow and you don't have to grab your neighbors. Right. But then they have like. It's like you're at, like, the grocery store getting vegetables and it has that little, like, twist time. It's like a bag of cookies from Trader Joe's or something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, I don't want to eat these all at once. I'm just going to wrap it down, put it aside.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

What a historic place to talk about. Barfing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It's pretty beautiful. This is the most beautiful place I've ever talked about barfing before.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Now I want to see you do it myself, I have to say.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I'll let you know next time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

At some point on this tour, I want to see it.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay. I've had red wine. Too much red wine, you know, sort of thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That would be a bad one.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because that's going to stain me as well as you.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Wow.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, we. This is clearly my favorite murder.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hi. Hi.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yep.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I'm a little nervous about this show. I don't know why. Because Austin's cool people.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Austin's cool people. You know that it's comedy people. That's very important.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's also Texas. You guys have been showing up for this podcast since day one, like, big time.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Thank you.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah. I feel like when we were in New York and I was like, this is big at the Beacon. I feel the same way, where it's like, oh, my God, don't make them hate you. I'm just a great job.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where it's all click, click, click. I saw him live. That was it. I got it out of my system.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It happens sometimes.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We'll think of something else. We'll make croissants or something.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It'll be fine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We'll be fine.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, we got cookies backstage, too.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thanks for the cookies.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah. They're so pretty. We love them. No, should be very good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

State. Somebody with a. Who clearly studied theater was like, you're welcome. I used my diaphragm project.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Your voice. There you go. There you go.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Do you know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You want to know a trick about song performance?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is one of the only things I learned in college because I took a class. It was stage performance for musical theater singing. Stage performance.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

We got the musical theater crowd I hear tonight.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What up, nerds? So you guys already know this, so don't get bored, as I tell you this, but as people in musicals sing, you just always have your arm going in a different direction.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And the thing is, if, like, if you're gonna sing about the horizon, you don't point to the horizon. You, like, sing about the horizon, but you point down there, and then suddenly you're like, oh, my God, I love that.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Is it. Cause someone's gonna.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

You point at the horizon, and the people are gonna be like, where's the horizon?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is there a horizon in here?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Really?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

A horizon?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Okay.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So it's just really just kind of.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Go opposite of what you're talking about. And it creates a bit of a cognitive dissonance in the mind, and then the performance seems more important than it actually is. And you're not just singing about Oklahoma.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I get it suddenly. Wow, that's really great.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Thank you.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I also need to learn how to sing and not just hurt people's ears when I sing. But I'll do it this. While I'm doing it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just give it a whirl.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, I will. Next time at karaoke.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Is Stephen under here?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

No.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Steven's at home watching my cats, and he keeps sending me the cutest photos. Like, really cute photos.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I feel like if there's anyone that was ever born to be a cat sitter, oh, my God, it's Steven Ray Morris. Like, if you don't know him, and maybe some of you don't, or you're like, who's this guy? It's just if you picture cat sitter in your mind just as fast as you can, that's him.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Add a mustache. Boom. It's so funny because sometimes I get depressed when I'm on the. Like, when we're out touring, because I miss my cats, and I'm like, are they okay? I don't know if they're feeding them. I wonder if he misses me, you know?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And I drink too much red wine to forget it. But, like, knowing Steven's there, like, I barely thought about them. No, I'm just like, no, they're actually. They like him a little better than me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, he. And he loves them more than me.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Oh.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Like, he loves them way more than, like, I love, you know? And he just is taking so many selfies with the cats, and I gave him my Instagram cat. My cat Instagram password. Whoa. And I was just like, go crazy, dude.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's real commitment.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Get me some followers.

[Additional Guest / Voice]

What's up?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Work it, Steven.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Work it.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Let's get it together.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Let's hear it for Steven Ray Morris.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He makes it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He makes it all happen.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

We recently got asked if we were really as mean to him in real life as we are on the podcast. We are.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But it doesn't matter, because now he gets anything that we get sent. They people send things to Steven now, too. Yeah. So he's just. He's on the bandwagon. I think the dream is to start making enough money that Steven not only is able to come on tour with us, but he is lower down on a half moon at the top of the show.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Don't you think that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wouldn't that be good?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Holding a live, hairless cat.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God. Immediately that needs to happen to me. Yeah. Should we sit down?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Look at these people.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Nice seats.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

These are some good young. I think these are kind of the nicest ones we've had in a while.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They look like I'm doing this, though. Last time, I really felt like something rated like NC17 was happening.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Oh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

While I was on stage. So I just like to do a little less of the direct. Like, you didn't pay extra for those seats, did you? You don't get to have that.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Everyone look away real quick. There we go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

These might be more form than function.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

All right. How's that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did you hear that?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's. You can make it fart farfy.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So it feels a little unstable, like, you know what I mean? So one of us might fall.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Someone in the back that works here is crying. They're like, those are my good stools. I thought they would love them. I'm just like, yeah, just a little. Oh, this is perfect. I'll sit like this a three quarter, and then when I tell my murder, I'll just do this and I'll do that and I'll do this and then.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Down and I'll do this and I just won't even look at you the whole time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're gonna Sharon Stone this thing. I thought that's what. I thought that's what you were doing. I didn't mean to put you in a bad place.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No, I mean, no, I might as well. No, you don't. I can't sing and you don't want to see my underwear. Those are the two. Those are my two rules.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In life, you've got to have at least two rules. When you go on stage and not showing people your underwear should maybe. Should be in there. If that's your thing.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Sure, probably.

[Karen Kilgariff]

If you're a podcaster.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Right, Right. Yeah. Because, man, I don't spend enough money on lingerie. Because who cares? Who's gonna Target again? Buy mine from Target. Not like rich people.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, look, it works. Target works. And so we work it. Yeah, I mean, I need to get. Look, I need to get eye drops, bananas, and a brand new coat. Where am I gonna go? I'm fucking going to Target.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Should we do our murders?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, you want to?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah. You guys want to do murders?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do you want to hear some? Now I'm ready.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Well, Karen, let me tell you a T of murder. That was cool.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like when you get your haircut and they adjust, you and you're like, why, though?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Why come back? Are you staying there?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't want to be up as size. I was.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay, yeah. So how do we boop?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Uh. Oh, boop. This is the part where I break my own nose.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

You just gotta boop it a little. You can tell I've worked at an office for like 10 years because I know how to boop boop these chairs perfectly.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, you did it real subtle.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

What you mean you did little boop.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Nice. Good work. I'm new to chairs. This is the listening arm.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, interesting.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

All right, we're back.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And right off the bat, we have some info about the Paramount Theater actually being super haunted and it being like a known thing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, how satisfying that eight years later, we're actually gonna answer our own question. On the same podcast, it's said to.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Be haunted by three main spirits, each with its own story. The most famous is Emily, the woman in white, who is often described drifting across the mezzanine in a flowing dress. Some legends say she's searching for her long lost husband, though there's no solid records of her existence.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Also, the second ghost is a man named Walter Norris, who was a longtime projectionist who died of a in the booth in the year 2000. Not an old one, but a recent ghost, reportedly while he was projecting Casablanca. And since then, theater staff have claimed that his presence lingers with stories of projection equipment malfunctioning until offerings of candy or soda have been left for him.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yes, I love that.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

The third spirit is known simply as the elderly gentleman in the opera box. He's often spotted in the left hand box seats dressed in a top hat and tails, sometimes accompanied by the smell of before vanishing into thin air. While his exact identity remains a mystery, his presence is one of the most consistently reported at the theater, which is so cool.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I would like to be the lady in the pile of popcorn. So somehow I die covered in popcorn. Warm popcorn, like a yellow lab in a pile of leaves. That's me and popcorn.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then people look over and it's.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Like, it's the popcorn lady.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And also, there is a in depth article from Reporting Texas titled the Paramount A Timeless Legacy and Friendly Ghosts. So you can check out more information from people who work in the theater recounting firsthand experiences. So we were onto something.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, that's where Casper got his start.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The friendliest ghost around.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's right.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

It is. Funny I said about being nervous because Austin is full of cool cities. I get nervous when we play in front of Cool. Or comedy cities. And there are certain cities where I'm like, these people are more accepting and chill than let's say Austin, New York or Los Angeles where I get really nervous because they've seen a lot of shows and they're not like, yes.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

They're not as patient or they're not.

[Georgia Hardstark]

As like there for the fun of like, hahaha. From the moment we start, it feels.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah. A little more pressure for me.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, what's great about performing live is you can really project anything you want onto the audience. So it's like, it's true. Anytime I go below the Mason Dixon, they hate my guts. And you will see it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

If that's your belief, you will see it.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

No, you're right. I always see what I want to see.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. I mean, everybody does. That's kind of the. That's why when we just did the shows in Boston, the house lights were up the whole time. It was such a challenge.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

You can yell at them to turn them down.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think it was for cameras.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, that's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But I think I actually talked about it where I'm just like, we can't be staring into people's faces.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

We need.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, makes it so.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I mean, I'm glad I got to see that. Those two girls way back there had hot dog costumes on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But you know, oh, the hot dog girls are showing up at the live shows pretty great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You know what's really funny, there was that gift somebody made of us because we got interviewed at that show backstage where they were shooting from under. And I remember going, you need to tell them, like, we need to get down on the sand as that camera.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But of course it was at the time where I'm like, no, don't make a problem. And there's a gift that people reused forever. Shot from underneath.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I know you hate it, but I think we look really cute in it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, okay, I just, you know, can we please think of the middle aged women that are also in the picture?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I mean, you know, I'm trying to learn that women have necks and chin and skin there and it's okay, it's normal. If I'm gonna be out there in the world, I can be an example of that being okay. Rather than myself being so fucking horrified of it every time I see it in a photo.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, well. Cause I think we've gotten to a place culturally where people being comfortable with their bodies and being comfortable with the way their bodies look brings people an.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Immense amount of relief.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah. When I see someone With a neck like mine, I'm like, oh, she looks great. I'm allowed to be like that. No.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Look at it. Karen's like, I hate it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, also, that's just it. It's like we find our spots.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then, like me, someone who, like, I just got my eyes done. I just am moving on to the next thing. There's no rest.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

That's fine. Ye.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No rest for the minds like these.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

No. All right. This is one of my favorite, quote, favorite stories of all times that I cover.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is Georgia's story about the yogurt shop murders.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

We are a multi cat household, thank God. I love it. It's my favorite. Except for the litter box. And since we've been going out of town so much for touring, our house sitter has been cleaning the box and she does not do as good a job as we do. So because of that, we have this great litter. It kind of makes up for that, you know, and it's just like, it's great for everyone.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Goodbye. Okay, I'm first, right? You're first this time.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Right now.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay. I can see.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I don't want to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, oh, oh. You start reading mine.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Stop it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Georgia always does that anytime her paper is face up near me backstage. And I go, like, anywhere near it, she'll go, don't read it. And I'm like, I am blind. I can't see anything with no glasses on.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I just love when it's a surprise. I don't know why it's like, doesn't make a difference, but I love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's our thing.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It's our thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just like the underwear rule. It's ours.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Ours and ours alone.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Okay?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

One of the other reasons I'm nervous is because this murder, like, when we knew we were coming to Austin, I, like a baby brat, said, I get this one. Like, called it to Karen so hard. And she was like, go ahead. And then I took it on and I was like, this is hard. Shit. You know what were you. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wait, is this the one you told me you weren't gonna do?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I said I was gonna do it and then I said, nevermind, I'm not doing it. And then I did it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And now you're about to do it.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And now I'm doing it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, okay.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

This is. This is the yogurt shop moment.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We've got to figure out a way to explain to people who, like, work here or might just be passing through the room accidentally what that moment is about. Yeah, because it's not what it seems. It's not what it appears.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's a good point.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Whatever.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It'll say there may be cheering for.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Murders, but it's not that. Exactly that. It's not really that.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, but we don't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, yeah, whatever. Not our problem.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, okay. So in Austin, Texas, the early 90s, it's still a relatively small college town feel where violent crime was fairly rare. And that all changed on December 6, 1991, when 13 year old Amy Ayers, 15 year old Sarah Harrison when they went to I Can't Believe It's Yogurt in a Strip Mall. That's like a really unfortunate name.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, listen, I wanted to laugh too, but I'm a professional, so I didn't. But I heard a snicker and then I was like, do we do that? Well, there's a whole run up. We can just visit this for one second.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In the 80s and 90s, frozen yogurt was like the penicillin of America. It came so hard for us and we all bought it 100%. Or like in my mind I was like, well, this is a diet. I'm gonna eat this. Only it's yogurt.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And this is. And now I'm going to have like John Hughes high school experience. Didn't turn out that way.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No. But I still love. I would get carob chips on mine because I was hippie.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You are a big hippie.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I'm a big hippie.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But the names also. So there was I Can't Believe it's not Yogurt.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It was I Can't Believe It's Yogurt.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I Can't Believe It's Yogurt.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I had one across the street in my house called Frogan Yosert. It's just like you just can't name it. Like my, my frozen yogurt.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I worked in one and high school called How Sweet It Is.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Got it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But then it was almost like a subtitle of we have Yolk.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Trust me, you think that since I love pun so much, I'd love like a play on a name. But you know, sometimes it's, it's got to be simple.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's also the country's best yogurt, which if it's a chain, how can that be? But let's not argue right now.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Is it a franchise or no?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Okay.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I Can't Believe It's Yogurt in a strip mall off West Anderson Lane to visit Sarah's 17 year old sister Jennifer. And Their friend eliza Thomas, also 17, as they closed up the shop around 11pm Remember when you could just work at places by yourself until 11pm?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sure.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Just like hanging out, closing shops by yourself. I totally did.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hey, I'm a sophomore. Of course I can do this business. Of course I should have the keys and work the safe.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Totally. Yeah, that's definitely something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Makes perfect sense.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Well, so the girls were gonna have a sleepover afterwards, so Amy and Sarah came by to help close. What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just that they're, like, closing a business and then going to a sleepover. That should be the.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Hey, like, half of them can't drive.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And then they're so. They're helping to close up, which is so sweet. They're like, we'll help you mop so we can go hang out sooner. And so this was close to 11pm When Amy and Sarah showed up. And let's cut to midnight about an hour later, after the clothes sign had been turned, the front door was locked. And the man who owned the shop next door called Party House, spotted flames and smoke and called the fire department. Let's do the first picture, please. That's. I can't believe it's yogurt. Exclamation mark. Fucked up, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, we really couldn't believe it was yogurt at the time. It just tasted so much like ice cream. Like, am I a Dairy Queen? This is insane. My life is so much better now.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And yogurt's healthy. I eat it all the time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And you're a hippie. I mean, all these things.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's such a 90s crime scene photo. Yeah, it's, like, such a bummer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It should have, like, the digital date down at the bottom. Like, your mom took the picture with her camera. Oh, this is. Okay, this is Daddy.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

But I think what's so crazy about it is that this is a really, like, on almost suburban area. And there's, like, the strip malls and, like, it's pretty safe. And you don't normally see 17 fire trucks at a spot. So I think everyone knew something was up.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay. You can take that off.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Thanks.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Burn it.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Oh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I didn't mean it like that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I didn't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry. No, no, that does not count against me this time. I did cut that, Stephen. That never happened in reality.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fuck. Sorry.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay, you can take it down because I want everyone staring at me and not that horrible photo. Oh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Today's the day she turns into a diva.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I've been waiting till Austin to really come out and paint you all. No, I love you all well, or we can leave it up. As they worked to put out the flames, the building was of course trampled by many firefighters because they thought it was just a fire. And then one of the firefighters went in the back door, spotted a human foot inside the back door of the storage room, like sticking out. And then shortly after that, they realized.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What was going on.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

The bodies of Sarah, Jennifer and Eliza were all found together in the storage area. They'd all been stripped. This is so fun. They've all been stripped and two were bound. And three girls were shot in the back. And the three girls were shot in the back of the heads with.22 calibers. Eliza and Sarah had been stacked upon each other and Jennifer was laying next to them, possibly having been moved by the high powered fire hoses that had swept the scene. And then 13 year old Amy was found a few minutes later lying alone. She was barely alive and she was near the bathroom. She had been initially shot with the.22 as well, but had survived that and was shot again with a.38. And she died shortly after. Some of the girls had been raped, but it would be years before DNA testing would become available. So investigators concluded that the fire was set to cover up the crime. And the culprits had drenched styrofoam cups with lighter fluid and set them on fire. There was about $540 missing from the register. But investigators didn't think the motive was robbery because there was also a bank bag underneath the cash register and it had money in it and nobody took it. So I've been reading the book who Killed these Girls? By Beverly Lowry, which is a new book simply about this crime. It's really good. And don't read it before you go to bed. And so she says that some of the shortcomings of the less than experienced Austin pd, they talk about that a lot. Fire and water damage, the lack of multiple victims, the amount of people traipsing through the scene, all should have been handled by investigators who had experience in these kind of crime scenes. But they weren't because Austin at the time didn't have that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, also, when you think it's a fire, you're not treating it like a crime scene. No, it's the exact opposite of how you would treat a crime scene.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Not. But as soon as that, like as soon as that happened, it should have been locked down. They should have gotten someone in who was insured, you know. But anyways, yeah, the bodies weren't swabbed for traces of an accelerant the bathrooms weren't dusted from fingerprints. The trash bags weren't combed through. The metal shelves and mops that were next to the girls when the fire started somehow ended up in the alley and then they disappeared, most likely taken to the dump. So that's what happened during the investigation. Darrell Croft, who seems like a badass, he's a former cop who ran a security company now. And he had been in the yogurt shop around 10 o' clock that evening buying yogurt. And while he was there, he told investigators that he was approached by a man wearing a military fatigue style jacket. And he was telling the other customers to go ahead of him for some reason. And he asked Darryl if he was a cop because he saw his car that had the security lights on it. And when he said no, he offered Daryl to go ahead of him. And I think like a normal Texan man, he was like, no, you know, like gruffus, go ahead kind of a thing. So then the man. So Darryl said that when the man did go to the counter in front of him, he ordered only a can of soda. And then after he paid, he moved around the counter and went to the back of the.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Of the store.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And when Daryl asked where he'd gone, Eliza told him that she'd allowed him.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

To go to the back to use the bathroom.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So she didn't know him. Daryl hung around for a counter for a few minutes to see if the man ever returned, but he didn't. He stayed in the back. And then Daryl said there was just something that didn't feel right. And when the man just didn't return, Daryl left the store. That was around 10pm he's got to have some guilt over, you know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, well, what's. Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

What was.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's everyone doing?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

There was a hubbub.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, also, that's the thing of if he stays in the store now he's the weird guy in the store.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Totally. I mean, but I think he knew them, the girls.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, he did.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Like small town. He knew them even weirder. Don't you?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

He also. He went to the. He knew them through the gym, so that would be weird too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, fair enough. There was also a couple, an older couple that visited the store closer to closing time than Daryl on the same night of the murder. They saw the two men. They saw two men sitting in a booth, acting strangely. The woman said that they made her uncomfortable. The couple left around 10:45 as the girls began to Close up shop. They closed at 11 and they left the two men alone in the shop. So the policy of the store was to lock the door 10 minutes before actual closing time, but leave the key in the lock so everyone who's finishing up, you can just easily let them out. But nobody new can come in. So the door is locked. So these two creepy dudes were the last customers in the store last night. That night and about an hour later, the fire was first noticed. So that's okay. Eight days after the murder, however, Jennifer, Eliza, amy and. Sorry. Eight days after the murders, investigators picked up a 16 year old kid named Maurice Pierce. The North Cross Mall, which is true. Just a couple blocks from the crime scene. He was carrying a.22 caliber handgun. During questioning he said that he'd lent the gun to a friend, Forrest Welborne, who was 15, and that they'd used it to commit the yogurt shop murders. And Welborn denied any involvement, but told investigators that he and Pierce and a pair of acquaintances, Robert Springsteen and Mike Scott, had taken a joyride to San Antonio in a stolen SUV not long after the crime. And so it put these two other boys, Robert and Mike, on the radar as well. I have a photo of it. You can play the next one. No, that's not it. There we go. That's them. It's like. It just reminds me of Paradise Lost kinda. What do you think? Guilty or not guilty? Oh shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're just saying that because of the mullet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's not fair.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Anti.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It made sense. Back then, people were.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Your neck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that's right.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay, so. So Welborn's brought in for questioning by the detective. He passes a polygraph test. The ballistics of the gun didn't match up to the bullets that had been used. There was no evidence to link any of them to the crime. And detectives noted that Pierce seemed to have a mental illness. But anyways, they were dismissed as suspects and the case stalled.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So was Pierce the one that said he did it?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, and has the mental illness.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So that's almost exactly the crime you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Just named.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Paradise Lost.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, I was like innocence something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It just happened and we can't remember.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, that's right, that's right. Okay, so five years later and around 342 suspects and 50 false confessions or confessions that didn't pan out, a new detective, Paul Johnson, takes over and he. Okay, obviously it's one of those. The city's freaking the fuck out. Why? You caught the murders. You guys are inept. That sort of Thing. And so the cops do the thing that they always do where they're like, it's this guy, you know? Cause they're like, we got so one. So Paul Johnson did that.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

He.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

He focused on the boys, the four boys. Let's see. He brought in Pierce, Scott, Springsteen, and Welborn for questioning five years later. All of them denied any involvement in the murders at first. But after a series of intense interrogations, Scott broke down and admitted that he helped carry out the murders, saying he shot one of the girls in the head. At Pierce insistence, the police theory was that the four guys, these four teenagers, planned to rob the yogurt shop. Three of them would go in, one of them would wait in the car, but that something went awry and the killing started. Then the detective that had originally dismissed the boys as suspect was never consulted by the new cop. So in 1999, all four men charged with capital murder. Springsteen admitted to shooting one of the girls, but Pierce and Welborn never admitted to killing, and they were let go. So the crazy one who started it all was let go, despite having nothing but confessions to use against them, which, by then, they had both recanted, saying that police had, of course, coerced their statements. And there was even a photo of Paul Johnson holding a gun in the interrogation room to the back of one of their heads.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Who took a picture of that?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It's like a. It was a selfie. It was surveillance video of the fucking thing.

[Additional Guest / Voice]

Oh.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, shit.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So, like, that's kind of coercion.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did he not know? I mean, Jesus.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Well, he had. He had already put people away for false confessions that later were exonerated by DNA and people admitting to it. So this was kind of his thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And here he is. Now you get to say your side of things.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I wonder what his hometown murder is. Okay, so. But they're sentenced to. So Springsteen sentenced to death, Scott sentenced to life in prison without parole in 2001 and 2. Then in 2007, new. So that was 2001 new. DNA evidence not available during the original trials revealed a male's DNA on the youngest victim, Amy. When the DNA was tested, it didn't match any of the four teens. Convictions were overturned. The cases were thrown out more than 10 years after they were arrested.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So they were in jail for a decade.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah. All right, so what really happened? So it wasn't until 2011 that Carlos Garcia, the lead defense. Defense attorney for Mike Scott, put the crime scene photos into sequence, looking for details that he might have previously missed. This Is fucking bananas. When he looked closely at a specific crime scene photo.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Go.

[Additional Guest / Voice]

Sorry.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Sorry.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

When he looked at a specific crime scene photo of the dining area of the store, which wasn't that badly damaged by the fire, it showed the room mostly clean for the night. Tables had chairs stacked on them. The napkin holders were full except for one table. A booth in the back, barely visible. And also the booth that the elderly woman told the investigators that the two sketchy men were sitting in close to closing time, had no chairs on top of it. And the napkin holder was empty.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, let's get the phone out. What? For real?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, right back there. Oh, no. Isn't that fucked up?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I got chills, like in the weirdest way up my neck when you said that.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Look at the napkin holder. It's fucking empty, man. Yeah, dude. Every table has a chair on it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Also, look at that picture. I can't believe that's yogurt. I fucking can't believe it.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh my God. So like, okay, so close and lock the door while these guys finish up.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But that cop in the office, he flips down that picture as he's like screaming aloud by himself.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I think everyone kind of went, oh, fuck, we really missed something. I think everyone kind of lost their mind. So good for this dude. Fucking finding it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's pretty amazing.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

So.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Clearly they had been sitting there at closing time. The girls were cleaning up around them. They let the last stragglers stay. And at 11 o', clock, the no sale button was pressed on the register. So that's when they think everything started.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They asked for change, they did something.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

They held a gun up to their faces probably. I was like, give me all your money.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's true too.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

One of those change for the meter.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They started off nice. The fuck am I talking about? Can I get some quarters for the meter? It's 11 o' clock at night and I love yogurt.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I still can't believe it's yogurt.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I cannot believe this.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

This is crazy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I need change.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So the defense lawyers believe that's the table where the killer sat. The key was still in the door when the fire started, which means the last customer had never been let out. There was a rag on the counter. If someone had been wiping down the counter. And there was also an unopened can of coke sitting near the register. Remember, he ordered a can of coke, the guy who they found. And the register had no sale at 11 o' clock and the money was stolen. So that's when that probably started. And the killers likely escaped. Out of the back door after they started the fire. So they had an hour to do all of this. Neither Daryl Croft or the older married couple were called to testify at the teens trial. So it's not known exactly what they saw. Cause there's no testimony. So who killed these girls has the book has a fucking detailed bananas theory. And it made me sick and not be able to sleep. So if you're a creep like me, go read it. Not if you don't like crime scene photos. There's not a single one in there. But that it's like, reads like, okay, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

You.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You talking about this? Before the picture came up, I was like, oh, I want to go home. There's like something about that that's just so fucking. It's like the thing that's there that people cannot see.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

How did you want to say? Like, how did they not say this? But like, I don't. Would any of us?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, like, it doesn't mean.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It doesn't necessarily mean anything unless you put all of the stuff together. Like, there was two guys who were there at the end of it, and like. And they didn't let people. You know, it's just.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, also you have the shock and horror of a town like this, and then four teenage girls being brutally murdered in a way that's just. There's so much grief, there's so much horror and loss that like, I think details always get missed in that situation because it's. Everyone's just going, fix it. Solve it right now. This has to be over.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And everyone in town.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And I think a lot of. I've read a lot of like, hometown murders that people wrote, and they're like, this is when we stopped being able to go out. This is when the town wasn't the same anymore. And I remember being this age and it happening and it's just. It is such a horrible. I mean, I've kind of followed it since it happened, and I remember seeing that recently. And it's just one of those things that keeps unfolding and getting more and more gross and horrible. So many people think that the serial killer Ken McDuff was the one. The men and was one of the men in the yogurt stores that night. He had kidnapped and killed Colleen Reed on Dec. 29, 1991, in Austin with an accomplice. That's 23 days after the yogurt shot murder. He had a history of multiple murders involving teenagers, but he was soon ruled out of the crime. And I literally couldn't find anything More on this than someone saying. He flat out said, had I done it, I would tell you because I'd be proud of it. And then they're like, so it probably wasn't him.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Goodbye.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like, I feel like that's a trick. I feel like that's a trick he would use.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

It's just.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And it sounds. If you read about his. And I was scared that. That maybe you were doing that murder, and I was, like, stealing your. Whatever.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So much fear around me.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I know.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Listen.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

But this guy is a fucking monster animal. And from the other crimes he's committed, he is absolutely capable of the details that I read about in the book. It's not. This is a crime that is not for teenagers. You know, in my mind, it could be wrong, but it's the sadistic serial killer who got let out after 11 years as a known serial killer because there was overcrowding in Texas prisons.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, yeah, let the serial killers go first because there are people who smoke potty legally. So you've got to. You've got to teach them.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You've got to teach them. It's so easy to have the answers when you have a pretty dress on and a great stool.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So this Ken MacDuff motherfucker is crazy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, that's incredible also, that, like, a suspect that big would be in town. I mean.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

In town.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And he killed this other girl with an accomplice. So he works with two people, like, the two of them regularly. It just.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

It fits.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And he's a rapist, and he's just sadistic. So it doesn't.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

It doesn't.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It adds up.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

But it's rumored that he admitted to. The day he was put to death, he. Some people say he admitted to. To the yogurt shop murders, so they think he did it, but what?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Jailhouse gossip. Like, no one can confirm it.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Fuck.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah. Ken, detectives are. I know. This guy's a fucking creeper, too. If you see his photo, you're just like, oh, I would never, like, let you in my store.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I don't have it.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Sorry. And I was trying so hard. There's, like, this guy Darrell, has a description of what the guy looked like. And I was taking. I was looking for photos of him, and I. I was like, please have a pointy nose. Please have a pointy nose. And he didn't. And I was like, well, I'm not showing that photo then, because he could.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Have punched himself in the nose.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It doesn't line up with what I want it to. So I'M not gonna even acknowledge it, because I don't have to, because that's the way our podcast.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's the way.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So detectives are still working on finding more evidence in the murders, but for now, it remains an unsolved mystery. And I have the photo of the girl if you want to see them. I know. I'm sorry. That's Amy right there. That's Jennifer, her sister Sarah, and that's Eliza. Sweet baby angels. Isn't it horrifying? They're sisters.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

We love sisters.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just. This one hurts me bad.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I know. I'm sorry.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No, I mean, I hope yours is funny.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Now pull us up. No, it's just, like, that's what everybody looked like at my high school.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We worked in the. The yogurt shop we worked at. It was because the Knowles sisters worked there. And so we. It was like, oh, do you want to work at the yogurt shop? Susie Knowles can get you a job.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Well, that's what happened with these two girls. They were best friends, and she's like, let me get you the job at the yogurt shop. And I wasn't gonna post the photo because it's so sad, but I'm like, that's not fair to them. You gotta, like, acknowledge them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We gotta power through it.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's just.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It could be all of us in any.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I know.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah. It bums me out. So that's the Ogre Shop Murders. You're not as excited as you were in the beginning, I can tell.

[Karen Kilgariff]

See how fucked up these live shows are? That guy's leaving. He can't fucking take it. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

You too?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, we're fucked.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The whole fucking front row. This is bullshit.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

They're like, actually, we could just see George's underwear. And it's freaking us out a little bit, so we're gonna go stand in the back.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're fine with the murder. It's just that. Where are you getting those stripes?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, those are clearly from four years ago. @ least two years ago.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Every once in a while, pick up a pair that's literally. There's, like, weird shreds coming off of them where you're just like, well, first of all, a, where did I buy these? And secondly, did I only pay 99 cents for them? And why won't I throw them away?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Everything. Everything you're saying. And then I think about, like, friends who, like, buy expensive lingerie, and then I pull out underwear, and it's got the target, you know? When you rip the tag off and it has the thread still in it. Yeah, I don't cut that out. It's just like. It's all of my underwear have a little thread from the tag I pulled off on it. And that's just what I do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I want to know that people who wear like fancy lingerie around. So what kind of day do you have where that's, that's something that you can make work underneath until the night time. I don't.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

If I lived alone and when I did, oh, they would just be a me. I would wear them like I wear somewhat not I have to throw them away sometimes because I'm like, Vince is gonna think I'm this person, but I totally am that person who just wears seven year old underwear.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know, I mean, sometimes it feels like a victory to have seven year old underwear because you're just like. You pick it up and then you're just like, oh my God. Remember when you had fucking purple hair or whatever.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah. Very good memories in these.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Moving on.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That was a sidebar. Yeah, underwear sidebar.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Georgia, I'm so excited to get to ask you this question right now. Do you have any updates on this case?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I frickin do. Okay. We were at a live show in Salt Lake City just recently, Karen, you walked into my dressing room right next door to yours holding your phone up and going, oh my God. And I was like, okay, either there's some gossip to tell me or something got solved. Cause it reminded me of when you told me about the Golden State Killer being found.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I jumped up and got out of my seat. So full credit to the person who added me on TikTok to basically be like, the second the clip went up on TikTok, someone added me. So I opened up my messages and saw it and so I just saw it and couldn't believe it. So I jumped up to go tell you. But then I didn't know what the best as I was starting to think, I was like, I'm not going to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yell it at her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I want her to read it. I want her to have her own experience with it. I don't want to, whatever. So I just walked in going, oh my God, oh my God. Which of course, if it were, if you did that to me, I would think someone died, right? And I would get really mad at you for not. So I did it kind of the worst way you could do it.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And you showed me your screen. We were both going, oh my God, oh my God. And poor Vince sitting on the couch behind us. Because he and I had just watched the doctor documentary together too. And he knew that that was like the case that always stuck with me. He knows that we had just watched the documentary about it. So meanwhile he's sitting behind us and knows. Doesn't know what either of us are fucking talking about.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So then I gotta turn to him.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And go, the fucking yogurt shop murders have been solved.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I did it to you and then.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We did it to him.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But it is that kind of thing of, how would you have liked to get that news? If I just screamed the yogurt chop murders.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

That was perfect. That's fine.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Read it for yourself. But then I can't come in going, oh my God, oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because I was.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

That's always fun. I love an oh my God, oh my God moment.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was blown away. I just couldn't after all this time. And it felt like the most hopeless one. And then now that detective gets to.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Wear the shirt and we gotta go on stage like 10 minutes later and fucking tell the audience. Like, most of whom didn't know because they were like getting into the theater and sitting down and getting their drinks and stuff. So most of them didn't know. And we gotta come right out and fucking say it on stage.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That was like live show breaking news.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

So good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was love.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Let me give you some updates. So on September 26, 2025, Austin Police announced that they finally identified the man they believe murdered Eliza Thomas Amy Ayers and sisters Jennifer and Sarah Harbison. The police say that they did this, quote, through a wide range of DNA testing. In June of this year, 2025, investigators were able to match a bullet casing found in a drain at the yogurt shop to a casing left behind in another unsolved murder which took place in 1998 in Kentucky. And this didn't point to the culprit's because it was also unsolved, but it provided some movement in the case. You know, suddenly there's a whole nother case to use as evidence.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And the big break came in August of this year when Austin detective asked labs around the country that do what's called YSTR typing, which involves male specific Y chromosome DNA, to manually search through their database for a potential hit. And a lab in South Carolina reported a one to one match with DNA left in a 1990 sexual assault and murder in Gre, South Carolina. With Austin Police's lead detective on the case, Daniel Jackson, saying, quote, the full profile and every Allele was the same.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

The chills they must have gotten when they really. So that specific DNA profile belongs to a man named Robert Eugene Brashers, who took his own life during a standoff with police in 1999. Detective Jackson says that the DNA has now linked Brashers to, quote, unsolved murders and sexual assaults across across the country, end quote. With some outlets calling him a serial killer. Yeah, we're going to find out so.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Much more about him, I feel like, and.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And the cases he is linked to.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Authorities have also compared the bullet casing found at the yogurt shop with the gun Brashers used to kill himself. The specific type of shell casing is described as consistent with Brasher's gun. And so this update brings long awaited closure for Eliza, Amy, Jennifer and Sarah's loved ones. On September 29, at a news conference, Jennifer and Sarah's mom Barbara said, quote, I'm full of gratitude. It has been so long. And all we ever wanted for this case was the truth. We never wanted anyone to go to jail or to be charged with anything they did not do. Vengeance was never it. It was always the truth. Definitely watch the documentary that just came out on HBO called the Yogurt Shop Murders. I mean, this is just monumental, mental. It's incredible.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It really is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And also just that idea of what they asked, like, what the homicide department in Austin asked people to do to get different results. It's that thing of, like, it really does feel to me like cold case detectives. They're standing for new policing because they have to go back and be like, what mistakes did we make the last time that we're not going to make this time.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Right. And to be able to have that humility, to do that, to admit mistakes, to start over, to contradict themselves and the people who came before them. Yeah, that takes a lot of humility, I think. And so to do that is really, you know, incredible and get new results and admit wrong.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It reminds me of the Portland police who made the public statement that they would be protecting protesters and not ICE agents at any future events happening in Portland.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And A girl on TikTok made this video.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She goes, I just gotta say, police.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You have a great opportunity here to turn it around and stop being the villain and start actually doing stuff that the people need you to be doing. Totally serve and protect people in a real way.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah, for sure. So incredible. We're so excited to bring that update to you guys.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So great.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

All right, well, here's another horrifying one and another legendary one. This is Karen's story about the servant girl, Annihilator.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

She's unable to write and is a ghost of her former self. But Aggie finds an unlikely subject for a new book when the house next door is bought by Nile Jarvis, played by Matthew Reese.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Niall is a famed real estate mogul who was once the prime suspect in his wife's disappearance.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Horrified and fascinated by this man, Aggie finds herself compulsively hunting for the truth, chasing his demons while fleeing her own.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

It's a game of cat and mouse that sets them on a collision course with fatal consequences.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The Beast in Me now playing only on Netflix.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

You will not want to miss this. Goodbye.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye. Well, because we're in Austin, I'm going to do the servant girl Annihilator.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right. It's the one that. Listen, if you Google Austin Serial Killer, that's what comes up. It's like the first seven results. So.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And this will lighten the mood a little? I feel like what you say. I think this will lighten the mood.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

A little bit too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

For sure, yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Vintage Murders. Everyone's like, vintage.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's annihilation. It's what everybody likes.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sometimes when I'm writing this and I'm under pressure because it's 5:05 and we have to be here at 6 because the show starts at 7.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I emailed this to Vince at like 5:45. I was like, can you print this for me?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do you find that you're more. You let yourself be more flowery and interesting as you write your. As you put it together.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No, I started it like two weeks ago and I was like, this is gonna be so detailed and interesting. And then I kept going back and be like, I don't have as much stuff as I thought I did. And like, fuck. And like copying and pasting shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, okay.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No, oh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cause I get. Well, my only point was just I do stuff. Like, the year of 1885 was a difficult one for Austin, Texas. Now that guy leaves.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. He was just here with his girlfriend anyways. Never been into it. Now she has to watch football. It's a trade off thing.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Happens a lot. Or wrestling maybe.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, maybe some wrestling.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Professional wrestling.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In 1885, here in your beautiful town, there was an unprecedented axe murder crime spree that had the entire city in a panic. By the end of the year, there was a citywide curfew. Strangers were forced to identify themselves or be run out of town.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Georgia, you're just like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's Karen. Karen. Did my middle names land?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, Alice, we don't know you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Citizens formed a vigilance committee to patrol the streets at night. Downtown saloons were being forced to close at midnight.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Insanity?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Horror.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It said saloons and other raucous businesses. What's that, you guys?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, it's like whorehouse.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're talking about horsehouse.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I mean, sex worker house.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sex workers, apartment building. At one point, the city hired Pinkerton detectives to come and try to find this man. But they couldn't do it.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Well, if the Pinkerton people can't find it, Pinkerton can't find it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

400 men were arrested. No one was ever officially charged for all the crimes. To this day, no one knows for sure. Who the servant girl annihilator was. So it all started on the night of December 30, 1884, at 901 W. Pecan St. Or Pecan. I don't know how you guys do it. Pecan.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Pecan.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Pecan.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Can I say pecan? Pecan.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Pecorn. It's picorn. Okay.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It's actually, it's an almond.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, Almond Street.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry. I'm from California. California. A901 W. Pecran St. A 25 year old woman named Molly Smith, who was working in that household as a cook, was attacked with an ax while she slept. Then the intruder dragged her unconscious body out of the house into the backyard, raped her, and then murdered her in the backyard.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Why? I mean, I. Why to a lot of that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, just. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Phil. Philosophic.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And. But also emotionally.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then also just like.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Why did you stay inside? Just stay inside. That was my main why. But that sounds shitty.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is that the main why? Yeah, I actually really wanted to, but it turns out I had to take a shower. I wanted to do a thing where I looked at what the full. When the full moons were. Because there's a. There's a lot of theories about that part of it. When. When this gets really, really bad and this axe murderer in your town repeatedly kills a ton of people, everybody goes nuts with the theories and it's kind of awesome. Okay, so we'll get to it a little bit. So Molly was the first victim. Five months later, on May 7, 1885, at 302 East Cypress Street, Dr. Lucien B. Johnson has employed a cook named Eliza Shelley. Eliza is a 30 year old mother of two young children. One is 6 years old, named Georgia.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And one is 6 months old. Eliza's husband is in prison and she lives in Dr. Johnson's home, working for them with her children. And she is described later as an excellent woman. On the night of May 7, an intruder breaks in and attacks Eliza as she sleeps, murdering her with an ax. So two weeks later, on May 23, at 302 E. Linden St. In the home of Sophia Whitman. So basically, Sophia had her house up in the front, and then there were apartments in the back. And back there, a widow named Irene Cross lived with her son Washington and her nine year old nephew, Douglas.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Like Douglas Washington?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, Washington was the other son.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Guy.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's okay. We've gotta be able to talk about stuff like this. So that night, same intruder breaks into Irene's apartment, murders her in bed with a knife. Her Son Washington, who was adult, I think he was 24, was gone. He was out for the night. Douglas, the nine year old nephew, is one of the only real eyewitnesses of the servant girl annihilator. And when he talked to the police, he described the police to the police. The person he saw was quote, a big chunky man who was barefooted with his pants rolled up.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

So three months go by, now we're at 300 East Cedar street and it's the home of a man named Valentine Weed.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's all one wants for Valentine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, only great things are happening in that house with Valentine. She's so pissed. A block. So this is, and this house is exactly a block north of where Eliza Kelly was murdered. So a woman named Rebecca Ramey, who was a 50 year old widowed mother of three, got her job as a domestic servant for the Weed family. She lived on the Property with her 11 year old daughter, Mary. Mary and Rebecca actually came from a very prominent Austin family. Her brother Edward Carrington ran the Carrington grocery store, which was one of the first black owned businesses in Austin. And she also had another brother who ran the nearby blacksmith shop. I couldn't drag and drop this picture to give it to Stephen to put in our thing. Oh, I bet I have a picture too. You can throw up, Willie. Whatever you have. Oh, look, there's your town. Remember when it was just a grid?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Where are we?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was so easy to ride your.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Bike around.

[Karen Kilgariff]

With your big beard or whatever. Well, but there was a picture of Rebecca's family and they all had these amazing like, you know, like the coke model lady. They all had like those tiny waist high neck dresses with a big hat and they all super light, you know, don't fuck with me. It was awesome. Okay, so she, she is, when she is widowed, she has to start working for herself. So she gets this job and she works for the weeds. So dumb. Okay, so I have a horrible pun.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

But I'm not gonna. Well, do it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do it. An intruder breaks into her bedroom window, beats her until she's unconscious, then goes into 11 year old Mary's room, drags her out into the backyard, rapes her and murders her with a fucking ax.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So this is when the rumors begin because people start talking about this must be a supernatural being because everyone's saying that the night these attacks occur, no dogs bark. So there are dogs in the next door neighbor's yards. When he pulls people out into those yards. Yards, no dogs are barking and they can't figure Out. Why?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

She gave a mistake. Oh, for a mistake.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hold on.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I just solved the crime.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, good night everybody. Thanks so much.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I mean, you guys have seen cartoons, right? Where they like try to sneak in and they're just like, you know, a.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Steak and then the dog eats it and pulls out a cat. Cat skeleton for, I mean, fish skeleton. Forget it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right. Okay, okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So among those. Because also there was many nights it was either a full moon or there was just a lot of moonlight. So people don't understand how this person's getting away with it. A lot of people think he might be invisible. There's an invisibility factor to it. Look, I'm gonna. Here he is now. Moving on. Why is every page upside down?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Trying to do this right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

A month later on the night of. Is that right? Yes, yes. Because three months went by. So a month later. And this is also that thing. They're spaced out in this really interesting way where he like has a bunch of murders, then rests for three months and has a classic serial killer. On the night of September 28th at the residence of William B. Dunham's house. It's at 2408 Guadalupe Street.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Do you live there?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Guadalupe. I'm not talking to you anymore.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Man 25. I was nervous about Texas.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is nothing compared to we've had what we had before. So in this house in the back, there's a cabin in the back of the house where 25 year old Orange Washington and his girlfriend, 20 year old Gracie Vance are sleeping. And the intruder once again breaks in and he murders Orange in his sleep and then drags Gracie into the backyard, rapes her and murders her. Three months later, Christmas Eve at 203 Water Street. It's the home of Moses Hancock. So 41 year old Susan Hancock, who is the mother of two girls, it's Christmas Eve, they're out at a Christmas party and she is asleep in one of their rooms. Not a happy marriage. Moses is asleep in the other room. Let's not talk about it. It's none of our business. So an intruder breaks into the house, into the room, grabs her, drags her into the backyard.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

What the fuck is up with that, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

He wants to be outside.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Creepy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He wants to under the moon like a fucking werewolf. Which brings us back to the supernatural element I'm trying to introduce into this podcast. In two months we're going to be all werewolves. I can't wait.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And no one ever listened again.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, so her husband Moses is sleeping in the other Room. He wakes up because he hears a noise. Goes outside. There's a man murdering his wife in the backyard. He tries to attack the man. The man turns around, starts hitting him with the axe and then runs away. So he's very badly injured. Four days later, Mrs. Hancock dies from her injuries. So then when he recovers, Mr. Hancock is arrested for the murder of his wife. Yes.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yes, he got a fucking hatchet in the face.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, anyone can do that. His daughters both come to his defense. They say he's never been. He's a lovely father. He's never been bad to any of us. But the family of Susan Hancock attests that Moses was a vicious drunk and that Susan was about to leave him. And later they find this letter that she wrote to him but never gave to him in her belongings that read, Dear husband, I've lived with you for 18 years and have always tried to make you a good wife and help you all I could. I've loved you and. And followed you day and night. You won't quit whiskey. And I am so nervous, I can't stand it. You know, it almost kills me for you to drink. And Lena is almost crazy and will lose her mind. She fucking puts it on her daughter. Lena is a nut and it's your fault. If I was to do anything to disgrace you and our children, you would leave me. You would have quit me long ago. Which is a good point. And then she says, take care of yourself. Write me at Waco. I will answer every letter. Your wife and I, until death sue Hancock. But then she doesn't leave him. She stays. So, honey, so everyone's like, oh, how convenient that now your wife has been.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Murdered in the backyard.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But Moses Hancock is never convicted for the murder of his wife on the very same night, Christmas Eve, at 302 Hickory St. Eula Phillips, who is a 17 year old wife and mother of one. Oh, we want to hear about it. She got married off in an arranged marriage when she was 14 and then had a baby a year later. And so, strangely enough, it turned out she wasn't that happy in the marriage because she had to marry a guy that was. I think he was 21 when she was 14.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I mean, it doesn't matter at what age. It's great, doesn't it? Sucks.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It does matter a little bit though.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's fair. That's right. You're right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We've gone into an area where you're 14, you probably have a retainer and you won't stop talking about skittles. And you shouldn't. Shouldn't have your own baby.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Uh huh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Maybe some do it and some don't do it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Great.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Anyway.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So she had actually already taken the baby and left her husband, James, because he was also a huge drinker. What's going on, Austin? That's all anyone did in the 1800s and still do.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Rock on then. Single sad tear for me not being able to. I had all mine already.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Not me. Oh, Barf's red wine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Pull out a drink from down here. Okay, so she. She left him. And while she was gone, she ended up having an affair with a wealthy, well connected man named John Dickinson.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Got it, girl.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But then James. That's right. But then James got a job, he stopped drinking, got his whole act together, and he went and found her and he was like, please take me back. I want to make this work.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Are you wealthy yet?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And she's like, well, I'm 17, so. Okay, so she goes back. But then this night, on this night of Christmas Eve, she had snuck out of the house and she had gone to one of the. Basically the 1800s version of a no tell motel. And they didn't. No one knows who she was going there meet, but she went there, asked for a room, and the person that ran it said, no rooms tonight. And so she went back home and within an hour, she was dead. She was attacked with an axe while she was sleeping. She was dragged into the backyard. She was raped and murdered. Her husband heard her being attacked, runs outside. He's also attacked, and he's very badly wounded. But he is arrested, tried and convicted for her murder.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Do we think he. He did it?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, I do. The prosecution painted him as a violent, jealous drunk, but eventually the case is overturned because his lawyer argues that he never knew about her affair, so how could he be jealous? Hey. All right. Wrap that up nice little easy peasy, you old drunk. Okay, so here's a couple things. A couple interesting trivia facts. All of the. All of the victims that were left behind, that their husbands didn't come upon them, they were all posed in the same manner. I could not find what that manner was on the Internet. Maybe someone knows. I like to picture it was kind of a beachy thing like this, but that's more of a defense mechanism because this is fucking horrifying. This is worse. Six of the murdered women had a sharp object inserted into their ear. The worst.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, ear.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The worst.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Oh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ow.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Have you ever, like. Yeah, it's not the same thing as stabbing yourself with a Q tip. Georgia, like, just don't even say it out loud.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But it's so bad that that's as bad as you want to imagine it being, that that's how bad that is.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, that's all I can even go to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Here's my favorite. At several of the crime scenes, bloody footprints were found and the right foot was missing a left toe.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Ooh.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No, that just didn't work.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The right foot was missing a big toe. Shut the fuck up. Oh, my God. Perfectionism with the words and the details.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I didn't. I didn't it get. Catch it. I was like, huh?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

It's right there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I wrote it right there on the page.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Missing a left toe.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I can do it whenever I want. Even 20 minutes before left toe. Send print record forever. If you guys hadn't made a. A collective Austin based groan, we would been like, great. No, left toe sounds good.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

If you're new to the podcast, this is basically what it's like what happened just now. Someone's saying something wrong, the other one not knowing it and then moving on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like living Twitter, but the best kind.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There were lots of quote unquote eyewitnesses during this murder spree. So the killer was variously reported to have been a white or dark complexioned or yellow man wearing lamp black to conceal his actual skin color, which because there were so many lamps around, they were just like so many murders. He was also described as a man wearing a Mother Hubbard style dress.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So much work.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

This is your kind of story.

[Karen Kilgariff]

His mother. No, that's Mother Goose is the one with all the kids underneath. He's like, I'm an axe murderer and I have children under my dress. Oh, no. How up is that?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

They're into it. They're into murder too. They all come out and they're like, they love murder.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He was also described as being a man wearing a slack poach hat. That's pretty hip.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I don't know what that is. What if it's just a cat in the hat hat?

[Karen Kilgariff]

That motherfucker. He's always up to no good. It's just the cat in the hat. Like, I did some murders in the 1800s. No big deal. Whoop. Fishbowl. Also a man wearing a hat and a white rag that covered the lower part of his face. That's the Elephant Man. Get it together, eyewitnesses. There is also a story about a Malay cook. I'm assuming that means Malaysian, but I'm not sure. So the story was that there was a Malay cook calling himself Maurice.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And had to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Had to, can't not.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

He.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He had worked at the Pearl House in 1885, and he left sometime in January of 1886, which is exactly the time frame of these axe murders. And the last in the killing of Ms. Hancock and Ms. Eula Phillips. The former occurred on Christmas Eve.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was just before the Malay departed.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then that's when the murders ended.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So. So they think he did it. And they also think that he went. He got on a boat and he went to England and he became Jack the Ripper.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God. Shut up.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't you love it?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

I love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The Malay that you never saw coming is actually the star of the show.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just a low key Malay named Maurice. That's like, guess fucking what, my name's not coming Jack. But people love to theorize, don't we? Especially when we don't know anything that's real. Okay. I also introduced the idea that the servant girl annihilator could also be the Axeman of New Orleans.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Who.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Remember that? That was my very bold and brave theory that I pulled off of Wikipedia because he was. He was in. He was doing it in 1914, 1916, who knows? All competing theories. Anything's possible. Here's the most interesting of all.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In February of 1886, at a saloon in East Austin, a 19 year old cook named Nathan Elgin was verbally and then physically attacking a woman in a bar with such vicious. That it scared the rest of the patrons of the bar into silence.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He then dragged her out of the bar and down the street to his sister's house. And inside.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

What can you. Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

So many questions. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Of how are you just sitting there?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah. Right.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay, go on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But also, how scary was that guy that everyone's like, I've got two guns right now and I. I'm still too scared to go after you. I'm made of guns. It's what I do for a living. I'm a cowboy in Austin, Texas. You go ahead and take her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's fine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So the barkeeper and another man chase him and somebody else goes and gets the sheriff. They all end up at this house and inside he's attacking this woman. He's on her. He's got a knife and they start to tussle with him. He basically, essentially brandishes the knife and the sheriff shoots him dead. I think I have a picture of that sheriff, if you want to skip ahead. It's pretty epic.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, it's not him. There he is.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, shit. We saw him walking down the street today. Remember?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Now, he roasts coffee beans for a living, but he used to be the sheriff.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love him so much. The Austin vampire. The hip vampire that's been alive for 10,000 years just doing right by everybody. Anyhow, here's the thing. He shoots him. I had his name on here somewhere. It's long gone. The sheriff shoots this guy and. And then when they take off his shoe.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No. Big toe on his right foot. Motherfuckers. Yes.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

No, it was him. It's totally him.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, they don't know. And they couldn't prove it because the guy was dead. But there were no more axe murderers after that day.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Poor Malaysian guy's like. They kind of drove me out of Austin. I really wanted to stay here. I never killed anyone. And this guy.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

In public.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Maurice.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Maurice is like, it's freezing in London.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Whatever.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What the fuck, you guys? I was a really good cook.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, it's rude.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wow.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Yeah, dude.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that's it. Sorry. Thank you.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That was great.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on this case, Karen?

[Georgia Hardstark]

There is one. Basically, in 2017. Are you. Archivists uncovered a few old forgotten files related to this case in a Travis county warehouse.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Wow.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Chills.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Truly.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And they include an inquest, a victim's diary, and court records from two trials. They don't shed any new light on the murders, but they were put on display, so. But, I mean, to me, it's like, yes, that's true. But maybe there's something in there.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

There could be. There still could be. Yeah.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

What? I mean, that intern who's just, like, doing the filing back then. Yep. Lost her mind. It's gotta be a her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's gotta be a her. It's gotta be the kind of person that's like, what's this box back here?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We might as well look in here.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I love organization.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just the idea.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This reminds me of the man from the train in that way where it's like a true monster at large in.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

A time where people didn't really consider that as much.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They were like, I just want maple syrup and a good Bible.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

You know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was all very simple.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then there's these moments who are.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Easily able to, like, just blend right in and disappear.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes. And horrible axe murder, women.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Fucking insane.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Well, now let's head back to the Paramount.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're gonna wrap up this live show.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

You guys, we don't have time to do a hometown murder. And we're so sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know you can't yell. No, you're not allowed to.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And I'm so bummed because I know from Twitter that we have a crime scene investigator in the home office. I'm so in the office.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can we bring the house lights up for one second just so we can at look at a crime scene investigator in real life?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Can we turn them up and slightly, slightly.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then don't stand up. If you're not a crime scene investigator, she is.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Hi.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We call you.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

We're sorry. She's wearing a toxic masculinity shirt. I bet she can't wear that to. To work almost in school.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like, can I just ask you a quick question? Don't answer for her. Do you steal crime scene tape and the like, take it to your home? Like we do post. Post it notes. Do you just.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She'S not talking to me. We're very excited you're here. Thank you for sending us that message.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

It's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's always very exciting when actual professionals are like, we don't hate what you're doing. It's very fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So this episode was originally entitled Live at the Moon Tower Comedy Festival. Kind of a gimme.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

That's right. But if we were naming it today based on something said in the episode, maybe we would name it the Jobstoppers. Yeah. Neck tattoos.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Or ours and ours alone, which was us, basically our thing of surprising each other with stories.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's right.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Or penicillin of America.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Frozen yogurt.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

That's so true.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's a good one.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Okay, well, thanks, you guys for listening to another episode of Rewind. We appreciate you. And let's go back and say goodbye from the Paramount Theater.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

We're gonna be back here a lot. I feel like we really love Austin, Texas.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How can we not?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

You guys have so much murder in this state that we could do the rest of our shows here and we'd be fine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It'd be very cool.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

And you guys are awesome.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And our numbers are so bafflingly high in Texas that all the people that work in feral are like, is one. Are one of you from Texas? Like, what?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Why?

[Karen Kilgariff]

And we don't know, but we love you for it.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

Thanks, guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you so much.

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

You guys. Stay sexy and don't get better.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Right?

[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Guest / Co-host (possibly a live show participant)]

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