My Favorite Murder: Rewind with Karen & Georgia – Episode 71: "Put It In A Door"

Release Date: November 19, 2025
Podcast Hosts: Karen Kilgariff & Georgia Hardstark
Episode Original Air Date: June 1, 2017
Theme: Revisiting iconic past episodes with fresh insights, commentary, and context, focusing on listener interactions, true crime updates, and the cultural shifts since 2017.

Episode Overview

In this Rewind episode, Karen and Georgia revisit episode 71, "Put It In A Door," providing commentary, updates, and candid reflection on their own personal and cultural growth since its original release. The hosts listen back and discuss segments ranging from makeup tutorials on YouTube to intense discussions on high-profile true crime cases—the Netflix documentary "The Keepers" and stories of notorious criminals. The episode is packed with their trademark banter, gallows humor, listener tips, and reflections on evolving attitudes, especially about law enforcement, victims’ advocacy, and podcast culture.

Key Discussion Points

1. Revisiting the 2017 Vibe and Introduction

• Karen and Georgia play back and comment on their famously loose, “planned but not planned” intro banter.
• Humor about being “newscasters” with Steven, the producer, whispering lines (02:50).
  • Quote:

    "Steven’s actually mouthing the words to us that we have to be saying right now." – Karen (02:50)

• Cat barf incidents establish the down-to-earth, gross-but-real podcasting vibes.

2. YouTube Corner & the Early Days of Influencer Culture

• Both hosts reminisce about falling down YouTube “tutorial rabbit holes,” long before TikTok and the influencer explosion.
• Georgia finds herself captivated by male makeup artists and the social drama in that community (05:12).
  • Quote:

    "I got in a deep, dark hole of men doing tutorials of makeup… and it was just this whole world that I am not familiar with at all." – Georgia (05:13)

• They remark on how trends have shifted—what was novel then is now “your life revolves around.”
• Discussion of soothing hair tutorial videos and young kids doing makeup, along with positive reactions to gender nonconformity (06:38).

3. Listener Tip: NYPD Safety Advice

Segment Begins: 08:51

• A listener writes in with a tip from the NYPD about dealing with unexpected police knocking:
  • Never open the door to “cops” you didn’t call—verify by calling 911 and listen for confirmation over their radio.
• Karen and Georgia joke about “Secondhand Tips From Those in the Know Corner” and muse on listeners’ penchant for storytelling rather than factual submissions.
  • Quote:

    "Secondhand tips from those in the know corner. Yeah, it has to—the source has to be factual and in the know, though. Please keep that in mind…But we're not going to do any fact checking." – Karen & Georgia (09:18)

• They reflect on safety, skepticism, and the evolving trust/distrust of authorities—especially noting the cultural shift in how police are discussed (28:32).

4. Wish-Making Rituals

“Put It In a Door” Explained: 11:21

• Georgia describes hiding a wish inside a door—leading to the episode’s title.
• This digresses into a playful discussion of wish rituals, gratitude, setting low but realistic expectations, and the role of hope in personal growth (33:09).
  • Quote:

    "I think it's a thing of like hiding wishes. There's a wishing tree in Griffith Park on a path, and someone just puts paper and a pen up there and there's like a hollow in the tree and you just drop your wish in there." – Georgia (11:45)

5. True Crime Deep Dive: Netflix’s The Keepers

Segment Begins: 13:40

• Both hosts praise the docuseries “The Keepers” and discuss the shocking true story behind it: the murder of nun Sister Cathy Cesnik, layers of sexual abuse at a Baltimore Catholic school, and systemic coverups.
  • Recounting of the institutional power of the priest, the vulnerability of the girls, and the bravery of survivors.
  • Commentary on the difficulties victims face: stigma, repressed memories, and insurmountable legal obstacles like statutes of limitations (21:19).
  • Anger at defense attorneys and church officials who protect abusers or attack victims’ credibility.
  • The emotional intensity and importance of survivor stories.
  • Quote:

    "It’s that thing of innocent and guilty... the person who is bringing the charges is a liar until proven otherwise. Which is just not..." – Georgia (23:16)
    "We'd rather you listen to this and us acknowledging that than this naked, you know, way back when." – Georgia (30:41)

6. Cultural Reflection: Policing, System Change & Societal Naivety

• Reflection on how their 2017 commentary about law enforcement, police at the door, and trust in institutions now feels naïve after the events of late 2010s/2020s.
• Karen notes critics once accused them of being “part of the problem,” and acknowledges how her perspective has shifted (28:49).
  • Quote:

    "...it was hard to imagine what that meant. And now we know full well what it looks like and it’s on the streets—overstepping and out of control." – Karen (29:16)

7. True Crime Stories Revisited & Updated

A. The Vampire Rapist: John Crutchley

Segment Begins: 36:46

• Karen recounts the story of John Crutchley, “The Vampire Rapist,” who sexually assaulted women, drained their blood, and is suspected in up to 30 murders.
• The survivor's harrowing escape and Crutchley's criminal history.
• Robert Ressler, legendary FBI profiler, becomes involved in the case.
  • Quote:

    “The police in Brevard county realize they have an advanced predator and this is not standard fare for them. So they call the FBI, and who shows up but Robert Ressler.” – Karen (46:14)

• Discussion of plea deals, Crutchley’s minimizing defense (kinky sex, SM “gone wrong”), and infuriating character testimony by his wife.
  • Quote:

    “In reference to this 19-year-old girl being tied down to a kitchen counter, raped, and having her blood drained, the wife says that this had been a, quote, gentle rape devoid of any overt brutality…” – Karen (58:45)

• Despite a sentence of 25 to life, Crutchley is released after just 11 years for “good behavior” but is promptly remanded to prison for violating parole.
• He ultimately dies in prison—and remains suspected in multiple unsolved murders.
• Update: Robert Ressler’s legacy as the basis for Mindhunter’s Bill Tench, continued influence on profiling (66:43).

B. Angel of Death Nurse: Janine Jones

Segment Begins: 69:27

• Georgia covers the chilling case of Janine Jones, a pediatric nurse suspected of murdering up to 60 babies and children in Texas.
• Discussion of hospital neglect, deaths hidden for PR purposes, and moving staff without consequences (“like the Catholic church moves priests”).
• The “death shift” and how her superiors failed to address mounting evidence.
• Recent developments: A secret investigation and retroactive justice prevent her release, thanks to the preserved medical records by Joshua Sawyer’s mother, Connie Weeks (93:12).
  • Quote:

    “She has… She walks away from that hospital with nothing. And so she keeps these records, and they probably didn't have them anymore. You know how those records things go.” – Georgia (93:19)

• Update: In 2020, Jones pleads guilty to additional charges, ensuring she will likely die in prison (100:32).

8. Personal Moments & Podcast Culture

• The hosts reflect on pet stories, oversharing, and the communal, confessional nature of the show.
• Discussion on the draining experience of live touring, audience engagement, and the real-life impact of the MFM community (32:01).
• Both highlight their mutual growth in communication and self-awareness, sharing their recent experience of going to therapy together as a preventative measure (103:03).
  • Quote:

    “...now we're gonna do this really smart thing, like hand in hand to help to make sure that we don't wreck... there's been so many things where I've just been like, fuck this and walked away... I couldn't communicate with the person. It was too infuriating.” – Karen (104:24)

  • Revelatory insight from their therapist:

    “We can stop thinking about these things in terms of right or wrong and start thinking of them in terms of true for Georgia, true for Karen.” – (107:21)

• Light-hearted closing with “favorite moment from the week” (meeting a baby, considering a dog) and playful asides about personal rituals and life changes.

9. Naming the Episode—Meta Moments

• Discussion on how the episode’s name could just as easily be "Secondhand Tips" or "My Favorite Making It About Me Moment" to capture the podcast’s blend of true crime and relatable personal storytelling (108:38).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Sit back and enjoy the life he’s going to give me... as his parents.” – Karen, on supportive responses to young boy’s makeup tutorials (05:55)
• “Don't worry about it. It's gonna get real dark, so calm down.” – Georgia (13:34)
• “It's so hard to watch.” – Georgia, on The Keepers (24:38)
• “Gentle rape devoid of any overt brutality.” – John Crutchley’s wife, defending him in court (58:45)
• “I hope for you to live a long and miserable life behind bars.” – Connie Weeks, in her statement to Janine Jones (101:24)
• “We can stop thinking about these things in terms of right or wrong and start thinking of them in terms of true for Georgia, true for Karen.” – Therapist’s advice (107:21)

Important Timestamps

• 02:26 – Nostalgic episode intro banter
• 05:12 – YouTube makeup tutorial rabbit holes
• 08:51 – NYPD tip for door safety
• 11:21 – Wish-making ritual and “put it in a door” explanation
• 13:40 – The Keepers documentary deep dive
• 21:19 – Statute of limitations and the difficulty for survivors/victims
• 28:32 – Cultural self-reflection on police and naivete
• 36:46 – Start of Karen’s "Vampire Rapist" story
• 66:58 – Mindhunter/Bill Tench and Robert Ressler
• 69:27 – Start of Georgia’s "Janine Jones: Angel of Death" story
• 93:12 – Story of Connie Weeks, Joshua Sawyer, and the importance of record-keeping
• 100:32 – 2020 update: Janine Jones’ guilty plea, victim impact statement
• 103:03 – Reflections on friendship therapy, communication, podcast partnership
• 108:38 – Alternative episode titles and closing thoughts

Closing Tone & Reflection

The hosts’ candid warmth, tangential humor, and frank acknowledgment of their own limitations exemplify why My Favorite Murder maintains its devout community. They freely admit past naivete, embrace growth, and treat true crime—and their listeners—with empathy and intelligence. The episode underscores the value in both digging into dark stories and building resilient, self-aware relationships—whether with co-hosts, fans, survivors, or oneself.

Stay sexy and don’t get murdered!