Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 80: Live At The Rams Head Live

Summary

My Favorite Murder: Rewind with Karen & Georgia – Episode 80 "Live At The Rams Head Live" (Rewind)

Release Date: January 21, 2026
Hosts: Karen Kilgariff & Georgia Hardstark
Podcast Network: Exactly Right and iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This special “Rewind” episode revisits one of My Favorite Murder’s classic live shows: Episode 80, recorded at Baltimore's legendary Rams Head Live. Karen and Georgia listen back to the original show, provide commentary, and share updates, insights, and behind-the-scenes stories—blending true crime with signature wit, personal anecdotes, and audience engagement. The heart of the episode features deep dives into two disturbing cases: the spree of Joe Palzinski and the mind-bending murders committed by Joseph Callinger. Throughout, they connect with audience ‘hometown’ stories and reflect on what made this show and its setting so memorable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Revisiting Rams Head Live in Baltimore

• Setting and Vibe:
  The hosts reminisce about the unique energy of performing in a bar/venue instead of traditional theaters. The show had an "MTV’s The Grind" or "Janet Jackson Rhythm Nation" vibe, with the bar close to the stage and the crowd feeling especially “Murderino” (01:47-02:59).

• Notable Quote:
  “It was literally like being in a Janet Jackson video. There was no other way to describe it.” – Karen (16:12)

• Tour Anecdotes:
  Stories include Karen's birthday celebrations, gifts from fans (like a "fuck politeness" mug), and escapades such as searching for White Castle or settling for Arby’s, which they regret (04:26-05:03, 08:42-09:31, 16:12-20:09).

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2. Georgia’s Case: The Killing Spree of Joe Palzinski ("Joby")

[22:53–55:03]

• Story Summary:
  Joe Palzinski was a manipulative and violent man who, over years, targeted vulnerable young women across Baltimore. His mother, Pam, habitually covered for him as his abuse escalated from beatings to full-blown murder. Despite obvious red flags—such as threatening girlfriends, keeping weapons, and repeated stints in jail—he continued slipping through cracks in the justice system.

• Key Details:

  • Extensive abuse of teenage girls; threats involving guns and knives.
  • Notable manipulative behavior, including blaming victims and claiming insanity to avoid punishment.
  • In 2000, Palzinski went on a rampage, murdering people who aided his fleeing girlfriend, Tracy Whitehead, holding hostages for 97 hours before a final shootout with police.
  • Tracy survived the ordeal and weeks later, won $100,000 on a single hand of blackjack on Howard Stern’s radio show—a poignant, improbable moment of life turning around.

• Notable Moments & Quotes:

  • "He played Russian roulette, which everyone knows is the tough guy move. That's the toughest thing you can do." – Georgia (32:40)
  • “He would threaten to kill their family and leave them alive to suffer. So he thinks that he can make a girlfriend come back to him... if she's terrified.” – Georgia (31:50)
  • “She convinced him to leave the woods. Let's go find some food… She pushes Tracy into the homeowner's car. And then at the evening of March 8th, he kills his fourth victim.” – Georgia (41:14-42:08)
  • “A year later, on Tracy's 23rd birthday... she wins $100,000 in Vegas on a single hand of blackjack.” – Georgia (53:45-54:12)

• Audience Hometown Connections:
  Georgia reads an email from a listener whose family had brushes with Palzinski, including one relative who dated him briefly at 16 and another who had her home invaded by him—but still managed sassy, unflappable portion control under direct threat (56:59–58:06).

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3. Karen’s Case: The Shoemaker Killer, Joseph Callinger

[61:14–89:54]

• Early Life:
  Callinger endured atrocious abuse in foster care—locked in closets, starved, beaten with hammers. These traumas set the stage for later monstrosities.

  • “He was placed in the worst foster family possible. They were both insanely abusive... they whipped him, they starved him, they locked him in a closet.” – Karen (61:15-62:14)

• Descent into Crime and Madness:

  • Became a shoemaker in Philadelphia, repeated abuse patterns on his own family.
  • Series of arsons for insurance, criminal charges, and mental health crises.
  • Eventually claimed to hear the voice of “God” (manifested as a disembodied head called Charlie) instructing him to kill.
  • Enlisted his 13-year-old son Michael as an accomplice. Their rampage included torturing and murdering a young boy, killing Callinger’s own son Joe Jr., and a series of home invasions marked by sexual assault and brutality.

• Notable Moments & Quotes:

  • “He enlists his 13-year-old son Michael to help him out. He explains what the head was telling him... Michael’s like, sounds great, I’m in.” – Karen (69:23)
  • “Turns out that there is a chemical component to the leather treatment that they used in the shoes... It was like eating away his brain essentially.” – Karen (69:39)
  • “He told the interviewer that he wanted to slaughter every single person on earth, after which he hoped to commit suicide and become God.” – Karen (87:18)
  • Karen recounts Callinger’s bizarre attempt at self-immolation in prison: “As he lit himself on fire and his cell, he also cracked an egg on his head to see if he could make it cook.” (84:19)

• Justice & Aftermath:

  • Callinger was convicted and died in prison (1996) by choking on his own vomit after a seizure—an end Karen finds poetically suitable for him.
  • Michael, the manipulated son, was put into foster care, identity changed, and shielded from press/interviewers thereafter.

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4. Hometown Murder Stories (Live Audience Participation)

[94:01–108:58]

• West Virginia Co-Ed Murders (94:11):
  A listener, Grace, tells of her mother’s traumatic experience being called to X-ray two decapitated murder victims as a young tech in the 1970s. The girls went missing while hitchhiking; the bodies were found after a cult tipped off authorities with an anonymous letter. The heads were never recovered, and the case remains unsolved—a macabre cold case laced with rumors of cult involvement.

• Quiznos Killer (Amanda’s Story) (101:10):
  Amanda describes narrowly dodging a relationship with a man who turned out to be a murderer—his next girlfriend survived being manipulated into helping him clean up the murder scene, unknowingly, after he strangled a woman and hid her body in his closet. Amanda’s vivid storytelling has Karen and Georgia laughing (and gasping) even through the darkness.

  • "She helped him... she goes back to work at Outback Steakhouse, and we're all there. State troopers come in and they're like, bitch, you gotta go. She's an accomplice. ... The dead girl was in the closet while she slept." – Amanda (106:01)

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5. Recurring Themes & Memorable Moments

• Comedy Amid Darkness:
  The hosts trade barbs about hotels, birthday celebrations, and dressing like "The Sophisticated Miss," peppering the show with absurdist asides (e.g., singing the Trouble board game theme "in the key of diarrhea" [111:02]).

• Advocacy and Activism:
  Georgia discusses texting back and forth with ACLU volunteers about California ballot issues, underlining the hosts’ ongoing commitment to calls for social justice (13:33-14:23).

• Baltimore Grit:
  Throughout the episode, the hosts and audience embrace Baltimore’s reputation for being tough and “not for the faint of heart” as the ideal context for My Favorite Murder’s ethos (18:00-18:17).

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Important Timestamps

• [01:47] – Rewind intro; revisiting Rams Head Live in Baltimore
• [04:17] – Karen gives marriage advice; birthday shenanigans
• [16:12] – Bar show logistics and the “Rhythm Nation” crowd
• [22:53] – Start of Georgia’s Joe Palzinski case
• [53:45] – Tracy Whitehead wins $100,000 on Howard Stern
• [56:59] – Listener email: family member’s close calls with Palzinski
• [61:14] – Karen’s Joseph Callinger story begins
• [94:01] – Audience “hometown” segment: West Virginia co-ed murders
• [101:10] – Amanda’s “Quiznos murderer” story
• [110:05] – Updates & episode wrap-up

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Notable Quotes

• On the uniqueness of the Rams Head show:
  “It was literally like being in a Janet Jackson video. There was no other way to describe it...” – Karen (16:12)

• On surviving abusive relationships:
  “Her mother later recalls... Amy’s mother later recalls getting a phone call from Pam who is like—begging not to press charges—and she said, ‘Your son’s going to kill somebody someday.’” – Georgia (27:32)

• On audience member Amanda’s wild story:
  “The dead girl was in the closet while she slept...” – Amanda (106:28)

• On justice for Callinger:
  “He starts choking on his vomit. While he has a seizure. And they're like, 'let’s just see how this plays out...' He’s in the right place, but he’s such a huge piece of shit.” – Karen (87:53)

• On live show magic:
  “We used to do live shows like— we’re just leaving it all out here, and only these people are gonna hear it. Totally.” – Karen (111:18)

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Tone & Style

The episode is classic My Favorite Murder: conversational, irreverent, empathetic, and occasionally raucous—balancing gallows humor with respectful storytelling. Karen and Georgia lean into their genuine affection for audience members and their city, mining their own vulnerability, horror, and wit even in the most gruesome criminal tales.

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Summary for New Listeners

This rewind episode captures everything that makes My Favorite Murder a phenomenon: community, vulnerability, and the cathartic release of laughing through the dark. The hosts’ true crime retellings—grisly, outrageous, and deeply researched—are made accessible through lived experiences and a sense of solidarity. Whether new or returning, listeners are welcomed into a space where fear meets friendship, and everyone is encouraged: “Stay sexy. Don’t get murdered.”

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Hell. Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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It's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping our old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights.

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Today we're looking back on episode 80, a great number which we named. You're not going to believe this. Live at the Rams Head Live. That can't be right.

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It's our Baltimore Live show. And did we mention it was live? This episode came out August 3, 2017.

[B]

Yes. Let's go to Baltimore like they are true Murderinos. I got so excited when I saw this. Let's listen to the intro of episode 80.

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They're everywhere.

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Let me do it. Let me do it. What's up, Baltimore? Yeah, I almost forgot.

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You have to do it in your real voice, though.

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I don't know who my real voice is.

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You can do it.

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What's up, Baltimore? Yeah, there it is.

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There she is. I don't know.

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That scares me. Hey, we're at a bar grill. What's up? Hi.

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You guys are up in the. We Are the part of the rhythm nation Janet Jackson section. That's rad. This is fucking MTV's the Grind. Am I right? Is this where they filmed it?

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Yeah, this is it.

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This is it. Oh, thank you so much.

[B]

Whenever the bar is this close to the stage, it's always a fun show. So we're excited. You're. Hi. This is my favorite murder. That's Karen. I'm Georgia. Hi. Let's get it out of the way. Thank you.

[A]

I'm a year older. I'm much wiser. Thank you. Someone already said it.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

It's too late. Your moment's over. They already had it. We have a special bond. Merely redundant. I'm so much wiser now. Wouldn't you say, Georgia?

[B]

Oh, my God. On the way over here, on the. The drive here from dc, I was like, jesus, she's so much smarter, wiser. She just kept giving Vince and I marriage advice. And we were like, better when we got here, right? Yeah.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah. We were about to divorce, and then Karen was like, boop, boop, bop, laid it down. And we're like, all right, do you.

[A]

Want to see the thing that I was doing? Because we had to travel on my actual birthday. So then when we got out of the car in front of the hotel, we were in D.C. yesterday. I get out of the car and just for Georgia, I just went up to her and I went, I'm 47. That's as high as I can kick my leg. I had to kind of go back a little bit to get it up at all.

[B]

I was waiting for you to fucking. I once when I was like, kid was like, kick and there was no room and I fucking flew backwards and landed on my. It was so embarrassing. And then when we got on the plane, I found Karen's seat and I went over to you. I think the woman was sitting there next to you already. And I did a fucking happy birthday. Like, I just do it.

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Do the full dance.

[B]

My what?

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Do the full dance of what you did.

[B]

Okay. I just started going.

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While you sang.

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Did I sing Happy Birthday.

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Happy fucking birthday.

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That's right. That's right. That's right.

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Well, the very. I'm positive she was a multimillionaire middle aged Asian woman that was sitting next to me was just like.

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Then the whole time I was sorry. And I just kept apologizing, sorry.

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Passing gifts across her.

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I mean, I had practiced that for months.

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It was really good. You could tell that you had stretched and you had choreographed.

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I'm a good dancer.

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You're not afraid to bust one out on a plane.

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Oh, my God. No, I have no couth on a plane.

[A]

Uh, let's see, what else? What are we gonna. What else can we tell you about?

[B]

So you love your hotel room. Oh, you love your hotel room. Obsessed with that. What?

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It's like you're just listing off things we've done. We walked down that hallway, went ahead and got in the elevator. That was good. Oh, look, we walked these out.

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Did you see? Is that you? Oh, my God. Oh.

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Someone who also had a mug was me too. I love mugs. This one says, fuck politeness on the front of it.

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So deserves. We got these gifts backstage, and as you know, we love presents from people. This is from Ann Margaret. Ceramics.

[A]

Ann Margaret, the actress also makes ceramics.

[B]

She doesn't want to come forward. This is embarrassing.

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She's like, I'm sorry. I had an affair with Paul Newman. I can't be out in public right now. I am Ann Margaret and Margaret and Margaret's old girlfriend. Uh huh.

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Oh, well, you know everything.

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I didn't mean do not fight with me in Baltimore. I was like, do not start a fight. The Rams said legitimate.

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In Baltimore, that was legitimate. You know everything. It was more like, you know everything. Not like, well, do I know everything? You know everything.

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You have to put your hands way up high if you mean it positively.

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I didn't shave my armpits. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. So Baltimore, you guys have a fucking ton of murders.

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You guys, you guys.

[B]

There's that applause for murder that the bartenders are like, what the fuck is ew with these fucking people?

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They're going to their church group tomorrow all pissed. I actually told Georgia 2 in the car on the way over that I'm not doing, because I was like, I'm not doing these. But I have to tell you really fast. Cause this is fucking insane. One of them I wanted to do, even though I'm almost positive it's a lie and probably like a creepy pasta. But it was so good that I was like, maybe I'll just do it anyway and not say anything.

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Just add shit to it.

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Yeah, just pass it on. It was essentially the plot of Dexter, but here in Baltimore. So it's like if Dexter came onto.

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The Wire and there was one article about it, here it is.

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One reporter caught it.

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Yeah. And then the other one was horrifying, too. It was fun. And then I told you one that I didn't do too.

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Yes, that's right.

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We just. You guys had so many. We were like, and they all were so, so horrifying.

[A]

It makes it sound like it was the longest Uber ride ever. We really wasn't that far. We had time to tell all kinds of stories.

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We did. And we haven't found a White Castle yet, but we found an Arby's, and that was a mistake today.

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Vince likes Arby's.

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Thanks, Vince.

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Yeah, he was driving, so it was his pick.

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He was.

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Oh, can everyone give it up for Steven right now?

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Steven.

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Thank you.

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He's not here. Here.

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He's not here.

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Sorry. We're not trying to trick you. He's gonna listen to this tonight, like, after the show. He listens every show. It's pretty sweet. Yeah, he. He was watching my cats, which is so great. And he sends me all these photos and, like, videos, and I can. You know how you know your cat's expressions and, like, what it means? And I was like, they are so annoyed with him. He doesn't know it, but he was just like, mimi, Mimi, Mimi, Mimi, Mimi.

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And.

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And she was just like, no. Like, can you fucking leave me alone? And so I was, like, worried that my dad, who doesn't like cats, is staying there the rest of the weekend. And then I'm like, oh, they're going to be so glad that this guy just leaves them alone over the weekend. So, I mean, win, win.

[A]

What if we go back and Steven just has an eye patch and he doesn't really say anything about it? No, I like it like this. I didn't even like my right eye. It's fine. Mimi was right.

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You can have an eye patch and a mustache. Or I guess you can.

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I guess you can.

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Yeah. You have to have a mustache with an eye patch.

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Ye. And then you get a poet shirt and you're a pirate and everything's fucking rad.

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Yes.

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So cool.

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Yeah. Should we sit down?

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No, no. You don't decide. You have to show everybody your dress.

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Oh, yeah. God, I always forget this. What's it called again? Sophisticated something.

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We checked the tag in her dress last night.

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Cause I was like, it's called something funny.

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The Sophisticated Miss.

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Yeah.

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Is the brand of that dress.

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That's what the commercial does. Yay. Sophisticated.

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The Sophisticated Miss is going to talk about murders. Oh, it's the perfect dress.

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Thank you. And then you.

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Oh, this whole thing. Now that I'm one year older, I like to wear things that are shapeless and odd. I actually. This is truly the dress that I, like, went into a store and I was like. And then ran away. Put it on. I was like, man, this is doing me any favors. But whatever. We have to go on the road. But I was going to buy a dress at Nordstrom's the day before we left purely because it had pockets. Like, that's the only reason I wanted to buy it. But I was looking at it, and it had. It was, like, black, but it had, like, this weird high neck. It was almost like a mock turtleneck dress. Almost like a Puritan flap over the side. I was like, I will look like an evil dentist if I wear this dress. I can't. Why don't I get to have anything?

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However, pockets. I went to a vintage shop today in your town, which is like, my fucking thing. When I get into town, I'm like, vintage shop and Yelp. And there was one not far. So we walked over and I bought something only because I felt bad for the owner.

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For the store?

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Yeah, not for the store. It was fine, but it just wasn't my style. But the owner was like, so you know the kind. Like, this would look good on you. And you, like, pick up one thing and look at it, and they're like, you, like, 70s. And she was just, like, so earnest and, like. And, like, meant it. So I bought, like, two things. I spend a lot of money all the time, and I have a very full closet.

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Because you pity people.

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Yeah. What a dick.

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Do you have anything for a sophisticated miss Anywhere?

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But I bought a new house dress, so we're all good. Oh, nice.

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Oh, good.

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Flowy as shit.

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Don't let me. Don't let me catch you in it.

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I know.

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Let's see what else, everybody.

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That's been our show.

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Oh, someone brought me happy birthday balloons last night. Yeah, none of you did.

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They were on stage with us.

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Yeah, we brought them on stage, which the union theater stagehands did not like. And they were just like, what if they get away? We're just like, well, then.

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And then when Vince brought out the birthday donut candle situation, they were like, well, we'll follow you out with the fire extinguisher. It was one candle. I'm not making this up.

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Yeah. Union pride, everybody.

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We break the union. Like, we're just. Why are we talking shit on unions?

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We really should.

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Great.

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Not at this. In this day and age. No.

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Should not be duck out of unions.

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I feel like there was one other thing, but then I don't know what it is. So I guess we should sit down.

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Let's do it.

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Let's do it.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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I feel like this. Like this.

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Yeah.

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On it. Oh, I got a text today from, you know, the ACLU being like, oh, Tuesday, California has this voter thing. Don't vote for this thing. Cause it's shitty and it's like, it's like fake. So the cops won't face any, you know, what is it called?

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Charges.

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Charges for anything. Don't, but don't vote for it. And I wrote back like, okay. And then I wrote fight the power. And the guy wrote me back and he's like, all right. And like had a little like thing. I was like, fuck yeah. It's like a real person.

[A]

That's modern day activism. Just email your passion around to strangers. It keeps going straight to the LAPD and they're putting your name in a pile. Look who's trying to fight the power.

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Did you.

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Oh, this is my Rocky towel for when we're done. I could wrap it around my neck, throw it.

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I don't know what to do with it.

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I'm 47.

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Happy birthday. That was it. Happy birthday. Okay.

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This is what it's going to be like the whole time. I'm not sure if you know that.

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Is anyone unexpected? Unsure of how this goes? You are.

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So are we.

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I feel like these poor people over here are like, they're on like a. Oh my God.

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You know what's weird? They paid $500 a seat over there. Why would you do that?

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It's like a Universal Studios ride where you get put into.

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I know. Are you guys cordoned off? Are those the punk rock people that just go fucking nuts? Oh, they're just like.

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Let'S sit here and only tell them the story. Wouldn't that be funny? Sorry, sorry.

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Else.

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Sorry.

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The Rhythm Nation to get it together another time.

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I'm trying not to look at this. So I don't know who your murder is. Even though I know you don't care. But I care.

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Just don't look at it then.

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I'm trying but I'm so nosy. And we're back. I'm so sad we're not in a bar right now.

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A cool ass bar, I mean, and a bar with like catwalks and fire escapes all around.

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It's so weird because I guess like if you've never been to a live show, we try really hard to do beautiful old haunted looking theaters. That's like what works best for us. But this like first tour, we just found ourselves in this bar, which was great. I'm not talking on it at all. It was like so funny.

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It was amazing.

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It was just so different from what.

[A]

It was really different. And it was also the kind of thing where it was like size wise. I think it was perfect. I think everything about it was perfect. But literally it was like being in a Jan Jackson video. There was no other way to describe it.

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And like you normally can't see people ordering drinks at the bar or hear them like that just like isn't inducive to like people talking at the bar pretending they're. They're not there for that. And then also like, you know, like Bud Light flags and just like all the merch.

[A]

It was nice.

[B]

It was, was. It was fun and silly and I think too because like I feel like you've probably like performed in places like that a lot as it's a comedy place. But I had never done comedy, so everywhere I've done has kind of been like, specifically for a show.

[A]

Nice theaters.

[B]

Nice theaters. I got real lucky. I mean even the bars in LA that I did like storytelling and stuff at were nice. You know, like the Virgil and stuff were.

[A]

Yeah, well, they were set up for a show. You had a nice stage and. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

So that was really fun.

[A]

I don't know if you remember but like the energy in that room was so electric and so kind of like we were in it. So it made everything kind of click along and like from my experiential memory, I was just like loved it the entire time. I was kind of waiting to see if some crazy thing would happen. Cause there was people standing everywhere, even.

[B]

Throwing a bottle at you.

[A]

We're surrounded.

[B]

How about next tour is called the Sticky Floors tour and we only do dive bars.

[A]

Yes. With free popcorn mach and like pre vetted hecklers.

[B]

Yeah. And like the drink coasters are all like wet. Like reused mats that are like falling apart.

[A]

And drunk couples having separate conversations the entire time. Like, look, look at this video.

[B]

Perfect. And then Baltimore itself is like the most scary. Like you know, in terms of like true crime stories. There's just. It's scary. So it was kind of exciting to be like, oh, like these are the cool kids. Like they're, they're not. These are not the faint of heart. This isn't like, you know, the suburbs.

[A]

No, no. They've seen some. Also remember that hotel we stayed in? It was all old fashioned and crazy.

[B]

I don't remember any hotel. You remember them always. So tell me.

[A]

I love a hotel.

[B]

I can't remember like hotel to hotel. What?

[A]

Like this was so different. It was almost like an old Victorian hotel or something. So I had this crazy window view and Then this. It looked like a side room. It felt attached, but it was. And it was almost like triangular as a room.

[B]

A. That's interesting.

[A]

It was real interesting. And there was, like, I think a wedding there. There was a big staircase. Remember?

[B]

That sounds beautiful.

[A]

It was crazy. Really nice.

[B]

2017. I don't remember this, like, the hotels we stayed in this last tour.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So there's just no. I mean, I. I love hotels, but, like, my brain is, like, can only hold so much information. And hotel cities are the I hold on to.

[A]

And the I do not is pretty. It's pretty disturbing. Anyway.

[B]

Anyway, let's see.

[A]

Anyhow, we had. Oh, we had some Arby's on this one. We were trying to get White Castle. We were trying to really, really test out the deliciousness, and we couldn't get our hands on it.

[B]

I missed that this time around touring, because this tour and every other tour, we drove from city to city, so we got to go to a lot of, like, local eateries, let's say, like, Cracker Barrel. And we did a lot of. Of. There's nothing but fast food. I guess we have to eat it, you know, I guess we have to have Taco Bell to have Arby's. But, yeah, this time we stayed in cities, so it's kind of like there's. You could have one. Like, I get. We do, like, one night of fast food.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then that.

[A]

But you're trying to stay in places where you're like, oh, you could have a nice juice if you wanted to. You can't say it wasn't available. You can make any choice you want.

[B]

Totally. And look at you. Look what you did.

[A]

And look what you did. Look at you.

[B]

I remember this was the Arby's where they had the, like, meat tacular sandwich that was just like, 18 layers of different kinds of meat. Remember, like the meat tornado. Yes.

[A]

We walked in, we were in there standing there looking at that thing and being like, we gotta get it.

[B]

I was so constipated already. I was like, I cannot eat any of this.

[A]

I can't suffer through a meat NATO at this point in time.

[B]

I can't do this.

[A]

All right, should we get into this? Yeah.

[B]

Ugh.

[A]

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Hi. You guys all right? Baltimore. Jesus.

[A]

Body More.

[B]

I know it's Body more. And then I was like, that's so clumsy. And then I saw Body More Murderland today. And I was like, yes, that is better. Murderland.

[A]

Yeah. I, like, all came together for you.

[B]

Yeah, it was like when you got the Murderland part. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. This is the killing spree of Joe Peloszinski.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You never know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How everyone's gonna. You know this one. Did you see this one?

[A]

I saw it a little bit. Never go into it. Don't be disappointed. I'm gonna be an active listener.

[B]

Okay, so Joe Palazzinski, born. What? Why are you laughing at me? 11-11-68.

[A]

I have an eye patch now.

[B]

Ow. I literally pluck your eyebrow. Eyeball or your eyebrow Out My eyebrow?

[A]

You can take the eyeball, not the eyebrow.

[B]

You'll look weird without an eyebrow.

[A]

So I can always get an eyeball.

[B]

Back to the murder. Oh, the Eyeball Killer guy was at our show last night.

[A]

Sorry, what'd you say?

[B]

The Eyeball Killer.

[A]

The policeman that solved the Eyeball Killer murder was at our show in D.C. last night.

[B]

And he hated us.

[A]

No, he was there to yell at us.

[B]

I was so scared that Like, I was like, what did I say in that episode about the cops and the Eyeball Killer? And I was like, shit, why is he here? And then I was scared. And then his, like, stepdaughter came, and I'm like, is he mad at me? She was like, no, he loves you guys. And I was like, oh, we have.

[A]

To go city by city and find out if people are mad at us. That's part of what the tour is.

[B]

Yeah. Is he here because he's angry, or is he here because he's just standing.

[A]

In the lobby with his arms crossed? We, you know, there's nothing we can do.

[B]

All right, so Joe Palzinski, total dick. Over a span of 13 years, he lured at least seven very young women. Teens. Into a fantasy relationship.

[A]

I hate those.

[B]

It's not like a fantasy suite like in Bachelor. It's a really. It's like a fantasy. He's sweet, but over a span of eight months, which is like, oh, can we just go get coffee? Each discovered the truth of him and his dangerously controlling personality. His mom, of course Pam, doted on him, treated him like royalty.

[A]

What? The way you said, of course Pam was like, you. You work with Pam and you're sick of her shit.

[B]

Of course Pam.

[A]

You know Pam, how she is with the files. Well, she's the same way with her son.

[B]

Dotes on him. He's like a man child. His dad commits suicide when he's younger, and his sister dies in a car accident. And he says at that point, he's just stopped caring about life. Done.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Amy was 15 when she met. His nickname was Joby. I know. So I'm gonna call him Joe now.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. Because I don't want to say that word anymore. And I don't have to. I don't fucking want it. It's my fucking podcast and yours. Sorry. There's caffeine in here.

[A]

She's drinking liquid cocaine, everybody. It's fun.

[B]

Okay. She's 15, he's 18. He told her he has two personalities, Joe. Number one is calm and rational. Number two is angry and strange. You know, when someone. It's like, so goth to say, I'm.

[A]

Strange, as he's putting on black lip liner.

[B]

Yeah. We're like, we get it.

[A]

Also, it's just a. It's a red flag if your boyfriend is like, there's two of me, and be like, you know what? I have to go home. I'm so sorry.

[B]

That's what 47 year olds say. 18 year olds are like, oh, my.

[A]

God, is there More I'm gonna fix you.

[B]

We're making fun of it, but it's fucking true.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So he kept guns under his bed and. And in his car.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And once he held a knife to Amy's throat, beat her multiple times, including when instances when the police and other witnesses were like, hey, what the going on here? And he'd be like, no, we're fine, we're good. And he. And they would let him walk away with this woman. He was beating the. Out of child. He. She suffered a lot of fucking contusions and lacerations. Couldn't hear from months because out of one ear. He was very abusive. She didn't want to press charges. And cuz she's 15 and that's your thing. But her mom was like, oh, hell no. You know what I mean? Cuz she was probably 47. You know what I mean?

[A]

She's the opposite of Pam. Doesn't stand for.

[B]

She works in human resources and she does not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Her mother later recalls. Amy's mother later recalls getting a phone call from Pam who's like. And this is a pattern she comes up with, is begging not to press charges against her son.

[A]

I'm so sorry.

[B]

He's going to get help. He just needs. And he's had a hard childhood. And Amy's mom is like, go fuck yourself again. And she said, you're going to. He's going to kill somebody someday. Yeah. He plays Knox called foreshadowing, by the way, if anybody.

[A]

But he never did.

[B]

No, he never killed anyone. What? Yeah.

[A]

This is a story about somebody else.

[B]

Oh, shit. Oh. This is from my other podcast. He pleads not guilty by reason of insanity. A psychiatrist founds him competent to stand trial and he's sentenced to four years in prison in Hagerstown. Hagerstown, Houston. Hagerstown.

[A]

It doesn't sound like anything when you do that.

[B]

I know. Yeah. Oh, okay.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

We're a little hurt from last night in D.C. we got a. We had a lot of those names.

[A]

Are hard and we just like every name was different than how it was spelled.

[B]

And it was like three times as many as you. And they all were yelling the same thing. But this is intimate. Okay. He serves two years, including time for an attempted escape. He's getting counseling. He's described as having deliberately dangerous situations, fantasies consistent with his identity that he thinks as like a Rambo hero. He thinks he is. And when he would like have girls page him, he'd say like. Or he'd page girls. He'd be like, you know it's me when I page you, 007. You know what I mean?

[A]

I hope he gets sued for that. Sorry, that's copyright infringement.

[B]

You're not allowed to.

[A]

What year was this?

[B]

So this is all around the early 90s.

[A]

I wanted it to be now. He's such a loser. He has a pager. Look, you can page me. Yeah, just do a 007.

[B]

So when he's 22, he's released from jail in April 91. He no longer faces prosecution for beating another ex years before because the judge just dismissed the trial because he couldn't. It wasn't fair because he couldn't get a speedy trial because he was in prison that whole time. So they were like, well, you don't get a. You're not. You've been gone too long, so we're not gonna charge you. You know what I mean? I'm not saying it right.

[A]

It's one of our rights. Speedy trials.

[B]

Yeah, but I don't know if that's the right how we use it. Okay, I know, I know, I know. He goes to date other teenagers, charms all of them. He's like. He's hot in the, like, you know that type, 007 way. Yeah, he's hot in a. Well, we have a photo of him, but. Okay, we have a photo. Can we put up the. I think it's Noodles is the guy who's doing our. So that's him.

[A]

Oh, can you see it? Is he on Knox Landing? That filter is amazing.

[B]

Let's do. Can we do the next one?

[A]

That's the kind of filter I want to start using.

[B]

Can we do the next one? One, yeah. All right, so this is him. Oh, wait, check that down. Don't look at that.

[A]

Is that Joby?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

[B]

It says what he did. And. No, we haven't gotten there yet.

[A]

Got it, Got it. I like him in a hat, though.

[B]

So like, that guy, you know that guy drives a Mustang, has muscle, has a pager. Has a pager.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

Probably wears like, you know, the denim washed, light washed jeans.

[A]

Careful.

[B]

Oh. But in the 90s, so it's not ironic. Charms the shit out of them. And then he goes. And then he goes on to physically and sexually attack them for various infractions. He gave one girl a black eye and threatened her with a razor blade because he found birth control pills in her bedroom and was like, you can't fucking take these. Like, super controlling, abusive, typical.

[A]

And he's trying to get her pregnant.

[B]

I don't yeah, he's like, you can't, you know, he's just controlling in a way. Wow. Yeah, it's, it's really like classic abusive, classic joby. So he attacks her at school and threatens to blow her brains out. But he also threatens multiple girls that he's going to kill their family and leave them alive to suffer. So he thinks that he can make a girlfriend come back to him or drop charges if she's terrified what would happen if he didn't. So just fucking intimidating these girls and their families. Assault and battery, let's see, standoff in 92 that lasted 16 hours with the cops. And then what? Like he's just, you know, going around.

[A]

He'S just doing his thing now. Do you know what the standoff was for?

[B]

He got out of like jail again and then went and like assaulted a 16 year old, 13 year old girl. And I think they like came after him and then extradited him back here.

[A]

Well, so.

[B]

Oh, let's see here. He had a rifle and a Magnum handgun and he played Russian roulette, which everyone knows is the tough guy move. That's the toughest thing you can do. And he'd just constantly go to court after he would beat up a girl and he got more and more afraid of returning to jail and he started thinking that he would do whatever it took to force his victims to drop their charges. So he's getting desperate because he's getting close to having to spend a long time in jail. And so he's 27 when he starts dating Michella Michaela, who's 17.

[A]

It looks.

[B]

Like Michelle Michella who was 7, she's 17, he's 27. He chokes her and slams her head against shower tiles on Christmas Day in 95. And let's see, he threatened to throw her off the balcony. So merry fucking Christmas. Yeah, he sent one of his girlfriend's father to the hospital because he was like, stop dating my 14 year old daughter, you're 30. And he was like, I won't. And she was like, like I won't stop dating him. He get, he goes to the hospital with four broken ribs and a split lip requiring stitches when the father tried to intervene with the relationship. Then he's diagnosed with schizophrenia, paranoid type, and concluded that he met the criteria of legal insanity at that point. So he's found not guilty on federal weapons charges after this whole ordeal because he pled insanity. Yeah, I don't think he was schizophrenic at all. Like from everything you read about, he Sounds like he was, like, tricking the system, being like, I'm crazy, and like. Like, years and years of it.

[A]

Although he did think he was James Bond.

[B]

All right, so soon he has a new sports car, he's out of prison, a Mazda RX7, and he's romancing a young woman he meets at where every good relationship starts, at the checkout line at a Super Fresh. Oh, my God. Sometimes when people ask me how Vince and I met, I lie and tell them that's because I really want it to be that.

[A]

We were in line at Super Fresh, and I saw his pager, and I was like, I have to talk to this guy.

[B]

And then when went out and I saw his car, he was driving, I was like, absolutely. Yes, we're dating.

[A]

RX7, what is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Mazda jail 19 times. Hello.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. But then he'd say to the girls, like, you know, yes, I was in prison, and yes, these things happened, but my ex girlfriend, she manipulated me. She lied about me beating her up. She lied. She. I cheated on her. And so she got pissed at me and made all these. You know, none of it was real. And the girls were all like, oh, my God, I'm gonna help him. He's right. And, like, they fucking did everything for him. But they were all under 18, except Tracy Whitehead is 20, so that's who he meets in line. So Tracy is still fighting an addiction to heroin when she meets Joe. And she's also working to get her kid back, who she had at 15 and is staying with her parents while she's kicking heroin. But before long, with Joe's charming help, she'd been drug free for a year. And he would take them on outings and, you know, just seemed like a good guy who, like, wanted to marry her. And they moved in together, but sometimes he would split. He would spit on her, doused her.

[A]

I'm sorry, could we pause for a second? What occasion? Like, would he wait till Christmas came around again, or.

[B]

I mean, I gleek on Vince sometimes on accident, not on purpose.

[A]

I get excited when I tell stories and stuff.

[B]

Yeah. Spittle.

[A]

Yeah, but not like that.

[B]

No, no, no. Spit on her. Douse her soda. Gave her a black eye and a split lip. And once, when she had slipped back into drugs, he knocked her unconscious a few times. He threatened that if she left him, he would kill her whole family. Leave her alive to suffer. So she had just been promoted. Like, she's getting her life back together. She just promoted to assistant manager at her job, and she'd been drug free. For a year and a half, which Joe took all the credit for sure. And she could finally afford to live on her own. And she knew she had to leave this abusive relationship. So she saved up some money, found an apartment, was ready to move in and leave him. But the apartment wouldn't be ready for a week. Jesus. It's like this is exactly what they littleize. This is like the plotter of it. Oh, is it kind of. No. I mean, there's one. There's one. Yes, yes. So he. She has him arrested for beating her at one point. And another assault conviction would violate his probation and send him to jail for 20, 10 years. And he felt he had nothing left to lose at that point. Yeah, that's never a good feeling. She secretly. So she found her new place and she couldn't move in. So her really sweet manager, 50 year old Gloria Schenck, who had also been in a bad relationship in the past, was like, come stay with myself and my husband. We'll take care of you. You shouldn't stay there. So her husband George, they are in the community of Boley's Quarter near Middle River.

[A]

Oh, she said it, right?

[B]

Yeah. Three people live there. Here.

[A]

It's a gorgeous little place.

[B]

When he went to then. Okay. So she's staying with them and it's George and Gloria, which actually I was almost named Gloria or George was gonna be my. Which is so creepy, right?

[A]

Yeah. That's insane.

[B]

I guess. So they're all at home, the three of them. They're watching.

[A]

No.

[B]

Texas Walker, Texas Ranger. Why is that the saddest part of the story?

[A]

I know.

[B]

I was editing this and I was like, leave that in for Karen. Like, I knew you'd want to hear it. Joe breaks into the house. There's an unlocked back door. Lock your door. He. He gets in the house and he has his gun and he has two guns and he says that. Demands Tracy to come with him. And she panics and freezes and like drops to the ground and then hears a shot and looks up and he had shot Gloria.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Then he shoots George. He killed them both.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Yeah. And then he begins his killing spree. He drags her barefoot by the hair into the night. She's screaming. Their Neighbor, David Myers, 42, tries to stop them and he's shot and killed too. He shoves her into his mother's van and drives off. Takes her to the woods, holds a gun to the back of her head and threatens to kill her. She begs him to let her live long enough to Tell her son she loved him. But instead he describes what he's going to do to her, including blow away her arms and legs and keep her alive. Like, make her live in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. Like, what the man, he's up, abusive. He continues to beat her until they find a camper. They go to sleep. In the morning, when they wake up, his anger's gone. It was like he was one of those people that like the next minute he could be like, can I make you dinner? You know what I mean? I didn't make that up. That was really in it. And so he's not mad anymore. He wakes up, he makes a little bed under a tree. And she's like, let's pray. Ask God to forgive you for what you've done. And he promises, he prays and. And he starts crying. And he said, I brought a ring. I want to propose to you.

[A]

Joby, not now. I mean, I know it's a nerve wracking time.

[B]

That's a scary thing.

[A]

Oh, that's fucked.

[B]

Oh. I mean, to propose to someone. Maybe he just, you know, he's nervous.

[A]

She's just staring at him like, are you. Are you fucking. I told you I wanted to do this at the pier.

[B]

We were going to do it at line in the. At the Super Fresh or whatever it's called. Shit.

[A]

That's okay. Wow. So I'm sorry, that means that the ring was like in his pocket the whole fucking time.

[B]

Like that was his plan.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And he was like, I know this is a bad time, really. And then he gave her a necklace with a golden baby ring on it. And then he said it was intended for their first child.

[A]

Oh, dude.

[B]

That they were going to have.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he. He kind of knew he was gonna die at the end of this whole thing. So he was like, I was gonna do this, but fuck it. Here you go. Tell my mom I love her. Seriously. So she convinced, she plays along. She convinces, convinces him to leave the woods. Let's go find some food. They're drinking from a hose behind a house in Chase when the owner drove up. Joe pulls out his gun and the man fucking takes off to the street, waving down cars. So he survives. She pushes Tracy. He pushes Tracy into the homeowner's car. And then at the evening of March 8th, he kills his fourth victim, Jennifer McDonald. She's 36. He later carjacks an 81 year old woman. She's not injured. And then they go to the Elrich Motel on Pulaski Highway.

[A]

Someone's just nervously laughing in the back.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I don't know what to do with any of this.

[B]

Yeah, it's the bartender. It's his first day, and he's like, this is not what I thought this was.

[A]

I thought the Pixies were playing tonight. God damn it.

[B]

So they're in the motel, and on the news, they're showing pictures of the people that he had already killed. Tracy's crying. He's freaking out. He says, we got to get out of here. I left the guns in the car. He realizes. So they go into the parking lot, and there's a police cruiser in the parking lot. Tracy fucking breaks away, runs over to the police car, and starts banging on the windows, and Heath and Joe takes off.

[A]

Wait, was there a cop inside?

[B]

I think. I hope so. Okay, I do, too, I assume.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[B]

She's banging on windows.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

She somehow goes to the cop.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

And so he's, like, freaking out, Takes off, and there's some woods behind him, and he bolts into the woods. Tracy makes it out alive.

[A]

Good, good.

[B]

Yay.

[A]

Wait, but there's still another page.

[B]

No, we're not. There's. Yeah, there's one more page, But, I.

[A]

Mean, is she allowed alive?

[B]

Tracy? Yeah.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay.

[B]

Yeah, she's alive. Okay. I think we talked about this last episode. This. What happened next. Okay, wait. I don't think anyone else dies. Yay. Okay, so because he, like, randomly left certain people alive, like, he'd carjack them. He carjacks a guy. Let me read it. So there's hundreds of law enforcement officers, bloodhounds, which I really want a bloodhound.

[A]

No, you don't.

[B]

And a robot. They, like, search the woods and the storm drains.

[A]

Do you have a.

[B]

Is George Part one?

[A]

She's a half hound.

[B]

She is hound.

[A]

And she's out of her mind.

[B]

I love. How are they crazy?

[A]

They're insane. They can smell everything. And they're, like. They're really sensitive. You have to walk them twice a day. Or they just stare at you like you're killing them.

[B]

And they want to. Like, they just want to go snuffle and. Right, yeah.

[A]

And also those ones are, like, floppy. Like, if you know. Unless you love spit. I don't know. Whatever your deal is.

[B]

Well, that's my deal. So it becomes Baltimore County's most extensive manhunt. People are buying baseball bats and ammunition for their guns and, like, freaking out.

[A]

Because he's just loose in the city and everyone knows there's someone just killing people.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Loose and then. And two days later, he goes to Virginia, kidnaps William Lewis Terrell and orders him to transport him back to eastern Baltimore county and then releases him unharmed. So it's this really weird, like, depending on what mood he's in that day or it sounds. Yeah. On Friday, March 17th. So a fucking week later, you got some man like running around your county. Can you imagine? He goes to Dundalk. Dundalk, it's pronounced. Sorry, I got that wrong.

[A]

I'm from Maryland.

[B]

He goes to the home of Tracy's mom. Now we're with Tracy's mom.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

White. Mrs. Whitehead.

[A]

Wait, I thought they. Who, who were the people who got shot?

[B]

Those were the. That was. That was her. Her manager at her job, who. Okay, okay, right. And her husband, who had been in a bad relationship, like, stay with us for a week. So those weren't her parents.

[A]

Okay, sorry. For some reason, people named George, I just assume that's the dad. I don't know why.

[B]

Fair enough.

[A]

It's a dad name.

[B]

Yeah, it is a dad name. So her. So Tracy's mother, she's like. Because remember, he was like, I'm gonna kill your family. Gets to the. Gets to their house. You'd think the cops. Nope. I'm not gonna say it. Lynn and her boyfriend Andrew are there and their 12 year old son Bradley are all there. Bradley, like, hears a knock at the door. He's 12. He opens the door and is like, oh, I know Joe. And they hadn't warned him. He comes in the fucking house.

[A]

Okay, can I just say this? This is what happens when anytime there's a little kid around and there's bad shit happening, and the kid goes, hey, what's going on? You go, I'll tell you later. I'll tell you when you're older. And then that used to happen to me all the time. Cause I was the youngest. So like one time my cousin Cheryl's husband was in the kitchen. I was like, hi, what's going on? Where's Cheryl? And then he was like, oh, we're getting a divorce. And I was like. And it apparently had been going on for months and. And just they forgot to tell me. So I'm on his side right now. I'm really mad.

[B]

You gotta tell 12 year old kids you've gotta the worst thing. And that's. Everyone here was told like. I feel like all Murderinos were told the thing at 12.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

So they wouldn't have answered the door. Every single person in this room would have been like, no, Joe killed all these people.

[A]

That weird guy with the pager, I never liked him.

[B]

No. Okay, so 97 hours, he's holding them hostage.

[A]

That's over three days.

[B]

Did they get a pee? Did they eat? I want to know everything. What did they do? Did they say yes?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Occasionally firing shots at law enforcement who are out front watching. Visual guard.

[A]

They got the visual on them.

[B]

They got the visual. They're visual. They're visual. They're individuals.

[A]

They're just being themselves out there.

[B]

Yeah. This podcast for me is Yahtzee. I'm just making up words. Isn't that Yahtzee?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, which one's the one where you make up words with all your words? Oh, that's Scrabble.

[A]

No, that's gravel. I thought you meant just like Yahtzee.

[B]

Whatever comes up. I should have fucking gone with that.

[A]

Yeah, always go with it. Always pretend like you meant the. You just said no.

[B]

What's the one where you press the thing down and it pops and you have to. That's trouble.

[A]

It's trouble.

[B]

It's hungry. Hungry Hugs.

[A]

Trouble is a hard case. The popping one is trouble.

[B]

Oh, I'll give you trouble. That was the. If you pop around the back, that feels like you get back. Oh, I know every fucking song.

[A]

Diarrhea. Were you singing the diarrhea song?

[B]

This is not the time of place. I might have been singing the travel song in the key of diarrhea.

[A]

When you're sliding in a home.

[B]

Again Bartenders are quitting en masse. They're just clocking the fuck out.

[A]

It was garbage.

[B]

They're going straight to therapy. Emergency therapy. Me too. Okay, let's all go. Okay. 97 hours, they're firing shots at each other. And then on the Evening of Tuesday, March 21, Lynn and Andrew fucking in the most badass move in fucking hostage situation history. History. Fuck. Give him a glass of iced tea laced with fucking Xanax. What? Yes.

[A]

Joby. I made it you some special high C. So how do you like. I took Xanax one time. I. You taking it right?

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

You've taken it right?

[B]

All of a sudden? I thought you said you've done heroin, right?

[A]

I was like, yeah, Wait, just tell me right now. Tell me in Baltimore. No.

[B]

The answer is no. Everyone.

[A]

I took Xanax one time with my friend. We took Xanax and we watched the Food Network and drank red wine.

[B]

Amaz. Amazing. It was, sorry, don't do drugs.

[A]

It was amazing because I had absolutely no feeling about anything. At all. Which was simultaneously I realized how insane I was where I was like, oh, I'm worried about many things all the time.

[B]

Yeah, this is usually your brain.

[A]

Yes. But then also that, like, calm waters. That's not for me either. No, thank you. I need a little. I need a little fretting.

[B]

Everyone needs a little crazy. Yeah.

[A]

When you don't care about anything. I mean. Yeah.

[B]

When you become Pam in hr.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

Oh, well, I'll get it later. It doesn't matter. Oh, Xanax. Yeah. The first time I took it, I was like, on a way to a thing, and I was really nervous, and my friend who was driving was like, can you shut up? And, like, gave me one. And then. And you know how I am in a car. I'm a fucking lunatic, stressed out asshole. I scream at everyone, not out. Like, they don't hear me. I just scream in the car. And I was in the car driving with her, and then I was like, traffic's cool. Because you could just like, see everyone and see what they're doing. And then I was like, oh, my God, I have bad anxiety this whole time. And then I knew. And then I got a prescription.

[A]

Like, goodbye, caring.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. Okay, so Xanax, it fucking knocks him out. Which I'm like, how much did you give him?

[A]

I bet you they were like, get the other bottle.

[B]

How much do you think he was mad at her? I'm being sexist. When she was like, I got a Xanax prescription. He's like, you don't need that shit. And then she's like, aren't you fucking glad I got a Xanax, Andrew? So then Andrew's like, I'm gonna peace out and get the cops. But he makes a lot of noise tumbling out the window in a panic. And yet it didn't wake Palczynski.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Because he was drugged like a horse. Okay. They leave. They both leave. The parents both leave, and they leave the kid in the kitchen asleep next to Joe.

[A]

Wait, were they also on Xanax? They're like, it'll be fine.

[B]

They also put the kids asleep. Didn't we talk about that in last episode? About parents leaving their kids behind? When they like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, okay. Sleeping on the kitchen floor. They get the fuck out. They. Their reasoning, which I'm sure the cops were like, yeah, right. Is that they were like, well, we thought if he'd wake him up, he'd be like, what? Where am I? What's going on? And wake up Joe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because little kids can't fucking wake up silently.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

Which is like, I don't believe that. And then they kill them all. And it's like, well, let's just kill your kid now, so. What are you doing? They thought it was best. So they got out, got the cops. The cops were like, what the fuck? There's a kid alone in there. So they like, just were like, fuck it, and burst into the house. Because they're like, we're not fucking waiting for this. Which is awesome. And they say that when Joe. When they did that, Joe sat up and reached for his weapon. So they shot him 27 times.

[A]

Oh, my. And seven of those shots were straight into the beeper. I'm sorry.

[B]

I hate.

[A]

I hate beeper so much. I don't know why.

[B]

Oh, and he died. He died. Oh, he died.

[A]

He did die of 27 wounds.

[B]

Okay, okay. So here's how I'm gonna end it on a positive note, because my. So a year later, on Tracy's 23rd birthday. So Tracy sends in, okay, Howard Stern is like, everyone, send me. Listeners, send me your hardship stories. I'm gonna pick one, and you're gonna get an all expense paid trip to Vegas. And you're gonna get one hand of blackjack to win it all. Like, you're gonna. I'm gonna give you this much money to put on blackjack, and here's how much you can win. I don't remember how much it was. And so she sends like, well, here's my fucking story.

[A]

I win.

[B]

Yeah. And Howard Stern was like, huh?

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah, you fucking win.

[A]

She got picked.

[B]

She got picked. He fucking flies her out to Vegas. And I remember this happening because my brother was obsessed with Howard Stern back then. And we would just. That's all we would listen to. Yeah. He picks her. She goes there, single handed Blackjack. She wins $100,000. No. Oh, my God. And that.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

That's that.

[A]

And then turns to the first scumbag she sees.

[B]

Hey, let's get married. Oh, you just ruined it.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

Sorry. No, that's amazing.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you have a picture of her?

[B]

Oh, we have picture.

[A]

Is there a picture?

[B]

I mean, there's a standoff picture. That's him. He's a dick.

[A]

There he is.

[B]

And then that's the standoff. Oh, and then the one. The first photo is, is Tracy and Joe.

[A]

Oh, yeah. When they were hugging.

[B]

Yeah. If you can go to the front. First photo.

[A]

He can't go back.

[B]

I know.

[A]

He's like he can't go back, get pictures.

[B]

It's fine. I don't need them. I don't need them.

[A]

You can tell we're not used to the visual component of this podcast. It's rusty, new and different.

[B]

So that's Joe Palzinski, a killer.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah, that's that all right. I just hit my teeth with the microphone.

[A]

You did well.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

Let's hear it. Thank you. Yeah, that was big. That was a lot. Now I want to get Xanax.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on this case?

[B]

There are no updates on this case, but we got a ton of emails from murderinos before and after we covered this, whose hometown this was. And so I found a good one. Let's see. So this person has a couple different contact points with this case. I'm gonna read you one. And she says, let's backtrack. Summer 1994, maybe 95. My cousin is six months younger than I am, about 100 pounds lighter. She meets this guy at a McDonald's where all the teenage meet cutes happen, and they start, quote, talking. Remember when you were just talking with someone? He's very braggy, a real shit talker. He's a bodybuilder. He drives nice cars, yada, yada, yada. You know, the of type, type. In the process of this, two crazy things happen. My aunt does a handwriting analysis on this guy and senses he's kind of off. My cousin, being the super slick blood relative of mine that she is, rifles through his wallet while he's doing the handwriting sample. In doing so, she finds multiple identifications with different names in the same photo and figures out he's about 10 years older than he's claiming to be. She asks him, who are you, really? And his super slick, manipulative asshole reply is, who do you want me to be? She's 16. She told him to kick rocks. She stayed sexy and didn't get murdered. Went on to have six babies and four stepchildren. She's really happy in life. I can't tell if that's sarcastic. And then during the manhunt, she says, I'm at work. My dad calls me to tell me if I'm watching the news, not to be worried. My aunt Dolly had been taken hostage by that psychopath, and he took her teapot and stole her car. That's the woman in the story.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

He apparently walked into her house, and she said, who the hell are you? And he said, don't you Know who I am? I'm on tv. Like, this had been a massive news story. And then they write, y', all, you have no idea how mean this lady was. He told her to lay face down on the bed. And she told him, no, if you're going to kill me, I'm going to see it coming. He told her he was hungry and asked her if he could have something to eat. And she told him, you can have two cookies. I mean, she's tied up and still calling out portion control. Seriously, brass balls on this broad. When I was a kid, she would make me take two gingerbread cookies and I would sneak away to shove them in the trash because I hated gingerbread. Her information isn't captured in the reports because, quote, she didn't have time to deal with that nonsense. Oh, she stayed sexy and mean as fuck. She died of natural causes in her old age. So that is an email from Amy about a couple connections to the story that I just. That's.

[A]

I mean, to have two for one, like, yeah, lunatic. Like, this man is insane.

[B]

Yeah. And Amy's a fraud investigator. So I'm like, can you be my best friend, please? That's the coolest.

[A]

Very cool. How does Amy figure it out? How does she know?

[B]

Right?

[A]

Oh, that's cool. That's like a. Yeah.

[B]

So no updates, but I thought that would be interesting.

[A]

Yeah, we love that.

[B]

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That's O D O o dot com. Well, my guy, I mean, it's just as fucked up in so many ways. My guy is Joseph Callandra, the shoemaker.

[B]

Do you know that guy?

[A]

All right, let me tell you a little bit about him. He was born on December 11, 1935, and he was almost immediately given up for adoption. The father abandoned the family. The mother couldn't handle raising a child by herself. So he gets put into a foster family. And unluckily for him, he was placed in the worst foster family possible. It was two Austrian immigrants, immigrants Steven and Anna Callinger. And they were both insanely abusive. So they did stuff like lock him in a closet, forcing him to kneel on rocks. They starved him. They whipped him. He was beaten so severely that when he was six years old, he got a hernia and he had to go get hernia surgery.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Which is insanity for a child. And while he was in the hospital or when he came home to recover from this surgery, they told him no. It must have been before he left. They told him the doctor was gonna cut off his little bird and that basically when he came home, he wasn't gonna have a penis. So fun times in the Callinger household.

[B]

Oh no.

[A]

So he was not on the weekends, he wasn't allowed to play. He wasn't allowed to have friends. He wasn't allowed to. He had to work in the Family shoe shop. This was in Philly, where the shoe shop was. So when he was eight years old, his mother. He told his mother that he wanted to go to the zoo on a class trip. So his mother hit him in the head with a hammer.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[A]

On the way home that same year, on the way home from school, he is held at knifepoint by three boys in the neighborhood and molested. But he is so afraid that he's gonna get in trouble for not coming straight home after school that he doesn't tell anybody.

[B]

No, of course not. Right, baby?

[A]

But that's. Can you imagine, like, you're. That's how horrible this family is. Is that a horrible thing happens? And he's like, oh, no, A way worse thing will happen if I tell my parents.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So super dark from jump for this guy. When he was 10 years old, he stole money from his parents to bribe neighborhood kids to go to the movies with him.

[B]

I know I. I keep saying, ah, but I have a feeling he ends up killing a lot of people one day.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, so I don't want to just.

[A]

We're painting a picture. There's a context behind it, okay. There's reasons for things. Sometimes when his parents caught him stealing money, they burned his fingers on the stove so they would burn the demon thief out of the fingers that steal. Okay. So as a teenager, he starts rebelling, of course, because he's living in hell. He decides at one point that he wants to be a playwright, and somehow he convinces his parents that he should get to be in a play and get to. To go do theater. So they actually let him do it. And while he's in a play, he ends up meeting a woman, a girl named Hilda bergman. And he's 15 years old, but he immediately. They start dating. They immediately start having a sexual relationship, and two years later, they get married.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So I think he was 17, and she was a little bit younger than him, so they end up having two children.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

Yeah. But Hilda leaves him because, of course, he viciously beat her, so she leaves him. In 1956, he has a breakdown. He ends up going to a mental hospital. When he gets out in 1958, he almost immediately gets remarried to his second wife, Elizabeth. This was back before Tinder, so he must have been insanely charming with Elizabeth. He has five more children.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Dude. And he has taken over the family shoe shop. So the shoe shop is downstairs. They live in a tiny and squalid apart, like, apartment space above the shoe shop. And he abuses his Wife, of course, and his kids in a lot of the same ways that his foster parents abused him.

[B]

Can we break the cycle?

[A]

I know. And not this guy? So over the next 10 years, his mental state starts to deteriorate as well. So in 1958, he. Apparently he owned a building somewhere else in town. He sets the basement of this building on fire and then collects $15,000 in insurance payout. And he ends up doing that four more times over five years to this same building. So first he lights. First he lights the basement on five. Then he goes ahead and lights the second floor on fire, gets a payout for that. I think he got $11,000 for that. Then by the time he lights the first floor on fire, the insurance company's.

[B]

Like, I don't know.

[A]

Seems in 1959, he's committed to a mental hospital after attempting suicide. In 1972, he is arrested on child abuse charges because his.

[B]

His.

[A]

His daughter, who was a teenager, tried to run away from home, and when he caught her, he ended up branding her with an iron.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

And so that daughter, his oldest son, Joe Jr. And their other. I think it's their other daughter, they go to the cops and they're like, our father is a fucking monster and he needs to be arrested. And they see the. They take the kids, they listen to their testimony, and then they take the kids to the hospital and they see that all the kids have like a ton of crazy, you know, proof that they've been abused. Tons of scars and broken bones that have, like, reset badly. It's intense. So he is found competent to stand trial, even though he was tested and he only had an IQ of 82.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

And he was also diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. So he was sentenced to 11 months in prison for the child abuse, but he had already been held for seven months, so he was given four months probation and released. So in 1973, those three children suddenly recant the abuse charges, and they come in and they sign affidavits, the police, to say, we lied, it was never true, that he never abused us. So from then on, his. His record is cleared, the charges are dropped, and they. That's is as if it never happened.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. So in 1974, he begins hearing the voice of God speaking to him through what he described as a disembodied head named Charlie. Sure, right.

[B]

We've all had that. I mean, I see it right now.

[A]

Wait, what's he saying?

[B]

Hey, you're God. You're God. Yeah. You're God. You're God.

[A]

What are you going to do with that power?

[B]

Take a nap.

[A]

Oh really? Cuz we need a ton of help out here, so. Well, what Charlie, the disembodied head, that was the voice of God was telling Joseph Callinger was that he needed to start killing young boys and severing their penises from their bodies.

[B]

Oh no.

[A]

Which you know, in the book of John, chapter 7, verse 15.

[B]

Oh no.

[A]

Or is it Ecclesiastes that says. Yeah. So he enlists his 13 year old son Michael to help him out. He explains what the head was telling him and what the plan is and Michael's like, sounds great, I'm in. Let's get this done.

[B]

Oh my God. Can you imagine like if you saw a talking head named Charlie and you were like, that's fine, like I'm a little crazy. And then he was like, kill kids and take their penises. And you're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'm not that. Like he didn't have to go along with that part.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was horrifying.

[A]

It is. Well, it turns out I, I give it away a little bit, but it turns out that there is a, there's a chemical component to the leather treatment that they used in the shoes because he was a shoemaker. So he's down in that shoe shop just sucking up those chemicals. It's like eating away his brain essentially.

[B]

I was totally thinking that, but then I was like, no, that's the Mad Hatters because the glue the Hatters used back then.

[A]

But same day, same, same fucking diff. Same diff. Wow. It's all about ventilation. Everybody, come on, get a fan. Buy a fucking fan.

[B]

Open the door. When it's nice out, light a fire.

[A]

That's what you like to do, Joe. Okay. Okay. So it starts to get bad. Everybody their first victim. They find a 10 year old boy who's playing by himself at a playground because it's 1974. Can you imagine? Imagine how bone chilling it would be today if you drove by a playground and there was just like a little boy standing there alone. You'd call every authority that you could think of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Atf, get down here. Okay, so this boy was named Jose Collazo. And Joseph and Michael lure him into an abandoned factory and there they torture him. They sever his junk genitals and then strangle him to death.

[B]

This isn't pretty, huh?

[A]

So his next victim is his own son, Joe Jr.

[B]

The one he conned in the yes.

[A]

So Joe Jr, after they reported him, it turns out Joe Jr gets sent to. Basically gets sent to juvie. And one of the reasons is because they found out that he was gay and he was like, having an affair with an older man. So they were like, oh, yeah, you, you. You're a deviant. You're the one that has to go to, you know, kids jail or whatever. When he gets out and comes home, Joe Senior has taken out a life insurance policy on him. Yeah. Always a good sign. So they, Michael and Joe get. Get. Somehow get him to go to a demolition site with them, and they end up drowning him there in a puddle of water. And then they just leave the body. Dude. Yeah. And then Joe Senior tries to collect the insurance on his son. And the insurance company's like, no fucking way. And Joe Sr's like, I. I didn't do it. I mean, Michael's here, he's fine. And I also took out an insurance policy on him. And they were like, huh, that's an odd rationale. Two months later, Michael is found wandering the streets in a daze with multiple head wounds. He's taken to the hospital and he tells police he can't remember what happened. So he basically tries to do the exact same thing to his accomplishment who's been with him the whole time. All right, so November 22nd, Callender and his son begin to break into homes. They basically start driving around the area and they start breaking into homes. And this is apparently, he tells Michael, this is. This is part of this plan. This is what God does. So they go to Lindenwald, New Jersey, and they break into the home of a woman named Joe Joan Carty. They tired of the bed, and Joe sexually assaults her. And then two weeks later, they break into the house in Susquehanna Township, and they break into a house, and five women are having a bridge game. It is so jarring. When I read that, I was just like, no, not them. No.

[B]

Before you tell me what awful thing happened to them. What if they'd been playing trouble? What the fuck? Yeah.

[A]

Old ladies.

[B]

Yahtzee. Yahtzee. Okay, now tell me that they all got killed. I wanted to say that before I knew you were going to.

[A]

They didn't. They didn't. But they did get tied up, held hostage. They go around the house. They end up collecting $20,000 of worth of money, jewelry, whatever, from these ladies. And. And they also collect. Cut one of the women's breasts before they leave. Yeah. So then.

[B]

About.

[A]

About a week later, they go to Homeland, Maryland.

[B]

Homeland.

[A]

And they break into the home of Pamela Jaskey. And they hold her captive. They forced her to perform oral sex on Joseph. And then a couple days later they go and they break into the home of Mary Rudolph and they do the exact same thing to her. Okay? Now two days later, this is January 8th, 1975, they go, they're in Leonia, New Jersey. So what they did was they took the bus into New York City, then they went to Fort Lee, I think they said. Then they, then they went into. They just started going to different towns and they would walk around Joseph callender and his 13 year old son. They would walk around these little towns holding hands and cuddling is what witnesses said. It was super creepy, weird behavior. And they would walk up to people's doors, knock on the doors like they were casing the houses. They would knock on a door and they would say, is this where the Joneses live? And then if they thought a woman was home by herself, they would force their way in.

[B]

Well, you see a kid and I. That would totally throw me off.

[A]

Yeah, it's the perfect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But at some places Joe would say that they were salesmen, which is fucking hilarious. Where it's like, I'm a salesman and this is a junior salesman. We're here to sell you candy. Okay? So they finally end up at the home of Edwina Romaine and her daughter. Dede is there with Dee Dee's 3 year old son Robert, and her 90 year old grandma mother is Edwina's mother. So they're. So what's happened is Edwina's husband, Dede's father had just had a heart attack and he's in the hospital. So basically her two younger sisters still live in the house with Edwina, the mom. So Dede's there to help take care of the family. And she sees Robert and Michael Callinger walking down the street holding hands, being weird. She's like, that's weird. And. And then she just goes doing laundry. And then they knock on the front door and they say, is anyone else here? And as she goes to answer, he pulls Joseph pulls out a gun and they force their way in. They make her strip down and they make her 3 year old son strip down and they tie them to a bed. Now while all this has happened, Dee Dee's middle sister Randy comes home and then he does the same thing to her and puts her in a different room. And then their mother and their other sister Retta, and their sister's boyfriend, Retta's boyfriend Frank, they all come home.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

He's like one thing, just the doorbell keeps on ringing. They were at the hospital visiting the dad. So they come home and the same thing happens. They get tied up, stripped and tied up and they get tape wrapped around their head. And then Joseph and Michael start searching the house for money. Then there's another knock on the door and it's their neighbor, 21 year old Maria Fashing. And she's come over because she's the nurse that's hired to take care of the 90 year old grandmother. So she comes in, Joseph forces her, strips her and forces her and Frank the boyfriend to go down into the basement.

[B]

Basement.

[A]

So once they're down there, basically Joseph ties them up and then tells Maria that she has to bite Frank's penis off. And she's like, go fuck yourself. What are you talking about?

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

And she basically fights him, says off. And he slits her throat. Yes.

[B]

My God.

[A]

So while they're hearing, they're hearing the family upstairs is all tied up. But they're hearing of course horrible down in the basement. So the mother, Edwina, like, she basically like moves her legs around, gets the things off her or. I don't think she did actually. She was still tied up. She fucking goes out the front door, crawls out the front door door and starts screaming. And. Yeah, and the. She makes it to the neighbor's house and she's screaming going, they're killing my family. You know, going crazy. And the neighbor's like, what are you talking about? So the neighbor just. And then she's like, cut this off my legs. This whole weird thing. The neighbor, the lady just like leaves her there and goes and calls the police because she's like, whatever's happening, the police need to be involved with this because it's insane.

[B]

Maybe she's making it up. I'm going to leave her out here.

[A]

I mean, who knows what she's doing this for. Attention, her arms are tied behind her back. All right? So the cops come and they find everybody, you know, everybody all tied up and everything. They go all around the house and then they realize that the people who have done this are no longer there, that they've run. So when Edwina got outside and started screaming, Michael heard her and ran down the basement and said, somebody there's people are going to be coming, we have to go. So they run out the back door and they ran to the bus. And as they run to the bus stop, Joseph takes off his bloody shirt and throws it in the garbage. And then they throw their weapons into the bushes. Then they get on a city bus. Like, sit down topless. Topless and sweaty and weird and. And there's still blood on you. Yeah, there's definitely blood. And they're just like, okay, all right.

[B]

Just killed three people.

[A]

Just an hour and a half, and we'll be home. We'll make a new plan. So, of course, it's a tiny town. So everybody in town's like, yes, I saw them.

[B]

Yes, I saw them.

[A]

Everybody. There's a woman who watched them as they stood near the garbage can, take off the shirt, watch Joseph take his shirt off and throw it away. So she was like, the shirt's right here. Like, everybody in town's like, the gun's over here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. And they all saw them together being super fucking weird, walking up and down the street all day. So there was tons of witnesses. And basically what happened is there was a laundry tag in that shirt, which is hilarious. There was a laundry tag with the first three letters of his last name.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So when the cops find that, they basically. They see the make, they see the laundry tag, they put it together. They end up going to the dry cleaners, and the dry cleaners are like, oh, yeah, that's Joe Callinger shirt. He's got the shoe shop down the street. Yeah. So Joseph and Michael are arrested, and once they're in custody, Joe. Now this is another one where this. I'm pretty sure this guy was schizophrenic, and I'm sure he was insanely fucked up. But once he's in police custody, he just turns it up to 25. So he starts telling the police that he's been alive for a thousand years and mostly as a butterfly and.

[B]

Sure, dude. Like, pick something else. That sounds crazy.

[A]

It also sounds sad, like, I'm a beautiful butterfly. You're not actually. Do we have a picture of Joe Callinger? I think there's.

[B]

I want to see. I'm a butterfly.

[A]

No, I'm a beautiful butterfly.

[B]

Oh, that's not what I was pict. I was picturing, like, almost like Popeye. I don't know why, but it's Bluto instead.

[A]

It's totally Bluto.

[B]

It's Bluto.

[A]

It really is. Oh. Ew, Joe.

[B]

Ew, ew.

[A]

Do you. Can you go to the next picture? Because it's. I think, both of their. Yeah. And that's his little son Michael, 13 years old. That's Joe without a beard. I think the beard is better for him.

[B]

Yeah, I agree.

[A]

For the face.

[B]

I just want to look at that kid I had that haircut for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Mop top.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, it's very 80s.

[A]

If he had hoop earrings. That's me in college.

[B]

He looks so sinister. He looks like a little brat, you know?

[A]

Well, he was. I guess this. I mean, with the size. Bad thing is too, is like it's all these kids who are just getting like, severely abused every single day. So then, you know, the monster dad is like, oh, you're my special best friend. And so even though it's to go torture and rape and kill people, he's just like, well, I got picked. Like it's something good.

[B]

And it's like, oh, I know what happens when you say no to dad.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's not fun.

[A]

You get straight up killed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So he also told the cops he was on a mission to help people whose brains were malfunctioning because they were wearing badly designed shoes.

[B]

Look at. These are fucking aerosol.

[A]

Check this shit out. I should not be wearing flats with this dress at all.

[B]

It.

[A]

I definitely need Joe Callinger's help. Okay, so he's found guilty. He's sentenced for the lesser crimes of burglary, robbery, kidnapping. He's sentenced to 30 to 80 years. And the judge who sentenced him for those crimes called him an evil man who's utterly vile and depraved. But then. Then he is trying to tried for Jose Colazo's murder. The little boy. And on October 14, 1976, he's found guilty and sentenced to life in prison.

[B]

Yay.

[A]

So it gets. It's pretty interesting when he goes to prison, he attempts suicide one time by trying to light himself on fire. Not the best way to get it.

[B]

No, that's not. Number one. Number one, my book.

[A]

No, he. But as he lit himself on fire and his. Also his cell on fire, he also cracked an egg on his head to see if he could make it cook.

[B]

What? The.

[A]

Beautiful butterfly. What are you doing?

[B]

Yeah. And did it.

[A]

Yeah, he made it. It was Denny's home run special. Some hash browns were in there.

[B]

Now I'm like. He was a psycho. That's the fucking. The butterfly thing. Fine. Fair.

[A]

That's just words. Yeah, but now you're getting into cooking. Now you're getting into fucking culinary self. Culinary shit. Get out of here.

[B]

This isn't chopped.

[A]

And he also was fighting the jail guards who are trying to save his life as he burned alive. Once they got into his cell, he's like, get away with me. I like eggs. Some people theorize that that was an attempt to get transferred because that Was. He was in the state prison to get transferred into Pennsylvania's Fairview Hospital for the Mentally Insane.

[B]

The egg was a nice touch. That's what he was doing.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Yeah, he got.

[A]

He got there. He's like, eggs are fucking crazy and you know it.

[B]

This is insane.

[A]

Transfer me.

[B]

Yeah, we eat the. We eat the embryos of another animal. What? And like, yeah, you're right. Eggs are. Nevermind, go ahead.

[A]

He's just a really irritating vegan. It turns out they have feelings. Get out of here, Joe. So when he's in Fairview, he slashes the throat of a fellow inmate. But that inmate survives. So then they transfer him back to state prison. He chilled out for a little while while he was there, but yeah, he couldn't. He couldn't handle it. Ten years later in a TV interview. Oh, sorry, wait. He's transferred back to state prison and on March. Oh, no, sorry. That's the death part. So I'll say this. Ten years after he's in prison, he's in a TV interview. And these are on YouTube. I didn't watch it because he's so fucking creepy. I think that last picture where he's old in jail. Oh, that's. Sorry, that's Michael. That's Michael when he got arrested.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

But then the next one is Old Joe. If you could go to the next one. Look at him. Knock, knock, knock. Hello. Oh, my God. I'm here to sell you this knife.

[B]

So settle, settle. You're good.

[A]

Ow.

[B]

Why am I getting pinched?

[A]

Stay with me. I always do that if I have something. Like, I'm excited about to tell Georgia. I'm like.

[B]

And now it was like, across the room. You'll just do this at me. Like, she's got something to tell me. I can tell because she come over here.

[A]

Sorry, that was personal.

[B]

That's personal.

[A]

Podcasting some insight. In this TV interview, he told the interviewer that he wanted to slaughter every single person on earth, after which he hoped to commit suicide and then become God.

[B]

What about a butterfly again?

[A]

Is that what God Does Joe? Kill everybody on earth?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So he gets transferred back to state prison, and on March 26, 1996, he had a seizure and choked to death on his own vomit in the prison infirmary.

[B]

Yeah, that is the proper way for that guy to die.

[A]

Well, here's what I like about that. If you think about it a little bit, he's in the prison infirmary, which means there are doctors and nurses near at least within 10ft of him. And he starts choking on his vomit. While he has a seizure. And they're like, let's just see how this plays out. We could tip him onto his side, but he's in. Huge piece of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Here's what's kind of interesting as a, as a, as an epilogue to this. Michael was placed on probation until his 25th birthday because once he was in the system, they realized that this monster father was just using and manipulating him in every possible way. So they actually changed his name and put him into the, into foster care. And, and his foster family that he went to protected him when they tried to call him for one of these. Like, there was a bunch of the, what do you call them after the trial? Like the, when they try to, like a parole thing or when he's fighting an appeal. Thank you very much, but please don't heckle on the appeals. They call the foster family, and they were like, he's not going to talk to you. He's not going to talk to anybody. Don't call us anymore.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Like, just don't. He's, he's not going back there. And the defense had. Oh, that was the, that was my big. I, I, I did the ending in the middle, which was the.

[B]

Say it again at the end.

[A]

Oh, the, the substance was called Too Lean. Too lean. And they were like, they, they pretty much think that he was just insane, like Dread Zane.

[B]

He's fine now.

[A]

Oh, no, not Michael. Sorry. That's the, that's the Joseph thing that I said earlier.

[B]

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

[A]

We're just stumbling to an ending now.

[B]

Okay, well, you can say it again. Yeah, edit that out, Stephen. Say it again. Okay.

[A]

The end. Thank you. I have to tell you now. I have to tell you a secret. It's this big secret that I'm keeping from, which is that he was mostly a Philly murderer. So I apologize for that. But he did have the one in Homeland, which is close by here. But once I had it all finished, and then I was like, wait, fuck, this is all Philly. And that's why I started looking up these other fucking crazy stories, one of which. Can I just tell it really quick? Yeah, it's that one. No, I was asking her. It was that one. And I think, I think maybe you guys have heard of this, but I found it on this website, and it's basically that their row House. In 1999, there was the revitalization project where they were knocking down all the row houses. And when that happened, they started finding bodies in the basements of those row houses. And the police were assuming that it was all from the drug wars and it was. You know, they assumed it was all that, but then they start identifying those bodies and. And the one thing they all have in common is they are all sex offenders, pedophiles, child molesters, all that had served at least for at least three different crimes had served time in jail, and there were 51 in all. And.

[B]

They. They.

[A]

They end up, like in 2004, pulling over a guy. Oh. So. So when they do the, you know, the chemical analysis or whatever, they figure out that they had. They all had sodium pental in their system. So the police put together that they think that the killer ambushed them, shot them with sodium pental. Which is like a Xanax. Yes, exactly. It's also. It's a local anesthetic, and then it's also a barbiturate. And then it took them into those basements, tortured them, killed them, and then. And then cut them all up. And so they pull in 2004, they pull a guy over that's. That is a suspicious vehicle, and they find that he has two suitcases filled with surgery equipment, power drills, sodium pentathol knives, murder kit. A murder kit of the highest order. And so they arrest him and. But then they can't. They can't keep him on anything because there's no proof that he's connected to anything. And he disappears. And then he goes down to Florida, and then sex offenders in Florida. So start disappearing. So I'm like, this is the fucking greatest story I've ever heard in my life. This is amazing. But I can only find it on this one website, right? Twistedminds.com, which is cool. There's a lot of good shit on there. But it was just this one thing, and I was. And the way it's set up is the guy that wrote it said, I was told this by a freelance crime reporter. Is that a thing? And then it said his name, which was like, joaquim Kale something. And that person doesn't exist. So ultimately, I think that may have been a creepypasta of some kind, because I can't. Although they were finding bodies when they knocked down those row houses, there's no proof that any of that other stuff ever happened. So I couldn't. I had it. I was writing it out by hand, so stoked. And then I was like, well, this could probably be a lie. Like, there's no way to prove it.

[B]

Yeah, that's not true.

[A]

Unless someone in this audience wants to start. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, we're back. Karen, do you have any updates?

[A]

There are no updates on this case. So we can just go straight into our two hometowns from the live show.

[B]

Yeah, the first one is about the West Virginia co ed murders, and the second is about Michael Mali. Do we have time for.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, should we do it? It's now time for one of you to tell us your hometown. Does it hurt?

[B]

Wait, Karen, are we gonna do this one?

[A]

Oh, sorry, hold on.

[B]

Wait. Or should we pick someone? Both.

[A]

Maybe both. Maybe both.

[B]

Let's start with this one, because Karen and I got backstage, there was two envelopes, and we got invited to a wedding, someone's wedding. And she included. I can hear her freaking out. Anything. She included her hometown. And I was like, oh, fuck, let's do this one. So, Grace Douglas, are you here? There she is. Come here.

[A]

Oh, and she's accessible.

[B]

I was gonna be like, if you're up there, fuck up.

[A]

Vince is gonna walk you up. Here's the thing, though. I'm not going to that way wedding.

[B]

Oh, no, no, no.

[A]

This is a.

[B]

This is a. What's it called? You know, like. Sorry, but here's the gift.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm also. I'm not giving a gift.

[B]

This is it.

[A]

Oh, this is the gift.

[B]

Wow. Hi, Grace. Hi.

[A]

How are you?

[B]

Oh, we have a mic for you. Hi. Thank you for the invite. Let me get you a microphone. Thank you.

[A]

Oh, here, you get your microphone.

[B]

Okay, let's go. Stand over here.

[A]

Are you ready?

[B]

So you can get scared.

[A]

Get in here. Center up. Say your name and your grade.

[B]

So I was looking at your. Thanks for the wedding invitation. You're welcome. We'll take beef. And I was reading your murder, and I'm like, oh, this is good. It's good. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And you didn't know about it for a while, right? I didn't. Okay, well, I'm gonna let you go. Okay. So my mom was an X ray technician, and they did school a little differently back then. She was at West Virginia University, and they really. They threw her into practicals right away. And this was like 1970, I believe. And there were two freshmen girls that had gone missing a few weeks earlier. They didn't have, like, a transportation system at WVU into Morgantown, so hitchhiking was called Common. And the girls had gone in to see Oliver, I believe. And then they disappeared.

[A]

The musical.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. I thought we were supposed to know who he was.

[B]

Specific person.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And my mom had switched on call shifts with someone for that night. And so she was just in the on call room and she got paged to the morgue and she hadn't ever been to the morgue. First time she was like, this is weird. I don't know what I'm doing. She grabbed the portable X ray machine, went down there, and there were a bunch of cops and they told her that they had found those girls and that they needed to. The bodies were pretty decomposed, so they wanted her to X ray for bullets. So she got in there and kind of like pulled back the sheet and they had no heads.

[A]

So, I mean, we knew it was.

[B]

Going to be bad, but yeah, no one had warned her, so she was freaking out. But she finished her job and then decided she was gonna quit school. But she didn't.

[A]

She had a couple drinks after that.

[B]

Well, she had to finish her on call shift, so she was kind of stuck there. Can you imagine going back to paperwork?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So the story gets weirder because they'd been looking to figure out what had happened to the girls, and they got an anonymous. Anonymous letter that directed them to the bodies, and that's how they actually found them. And so they tried to trace back where the letter came from, and it led them to a religious cult here in Maryland who had said that they held seances, which then told them who the murderers. Well, gave them descriptions of the murderers and told them where the bodies were. Yeah. So they had sent the police another letter too, before they had talked to them that told them where to find the heads, but they never found the heads. So that's weird. Then they actually. The police looked into this cult and they cleared them all of any. Shut up. To the murders, even though they knew where the bodies were? I. I don't know. No.

[A]

She's really mad at you.

[B]

I am. I still think they had something to it. Did they never found the killer? Well, then there was a guy who was in jail for something else. I think he had raped an underage girl. And he confessed to the murders, but it was like a jailhouse confession and a lot of stuff didn't add up. And he gave like a very elaborate story about picking them up and then chopping their heads off with his brother's machete, because people just have machete.

[A]

Was his brother from the jungle?

[B]

Good question. And then he later recanted, though, but he was still convicted. He appealed, was convicted again, and then he died in jail. And then since then, though, there was like, one of the original detectives that worked on the case has never really given it up. And so they have reopened the case now and it's considered an unsolved murder. Wow.

[A]

Did that just happen recently?

[B]

It happened a few years ago, yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I looked it up because after I started listening to this, my mom had told me this just casually one day when I was in junior high, she was like, oh, yeah. When I was in the hospital, you know, there were these headless bodies. And so I. You know, I was like, I wonder whatever happened? Because as far as she knew, they never found the heads. Although. Oh, the other thing, when she was working especially, the doctors would tease her all the time. Time. They'd be like, hey, Joanne, they need you in the morgue. They found those. They found those heads. Inappropriate doctors. Yeah.

[A]

No such dicks.

[B]

Yeah. Wow, that's. Is it called something like the so and so murders or the. They call it the. The West Virginia University Co Ed murders. Looking that shit up.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you, Grace. That was awesome.

[A]

Congratulations on your wedding. Thanks for being here.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

That was good. That was good. I'll take that.

[B]

Oh, ye. Yeah.

[A]

That was nuts, right, girl?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Do you wanna.

[B]

Should we do one more? Do you wanna.

[A]

Yeah. Can we do one more really quick? Yeah. I looked at you. I looked right at you. So come up here, but do it quickly. I know. I don't either. If you go over, like, there's Vince putting his hand up in the back. Look straight back.

[B]

That's the tall guy.

[A]

There's Vince.

[B]

But back there, there's Vince.

[A]

He takes care of us.

[B]

Yeah. Turns out he gets us really good Peruvian food backstage.

[A]

I mean, here's the thing. When you're a nurse, like, or an X ray technician, that part of your job can be just one day. Someone calls, you know, it's like, go down. Go down. And X ray. People that don't have heads, they don't.

[B]

Even add, like, that part in. But they don't.

[A]

They don't have to tell you. Hi, what's your name? Hi. No, you're not.

[B]

Hi, how you doing?

[A]

Hi, I'm good. How are you?

[B]

What's your name? I'm Amanda. Hi, Amanda, everybody. Wait, are you Amanda? Is that you? Yes. Oh, is this the one? Holy shit. She's got my name. How did we know?

[A]

Yes, I'm.

[B]

You said it. I'm 30. Yeah, tell us what you tweeted at us, because it was hilarious.

[A]

Yes, that's right.

[B]

I've been obnoxiously tweeting.

[A]

I know, I know. I love it.

[B]

Forgive me. I. I don't even use To.

[A]

Don't even.

[B]

Okay, so I dated a murderer.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

But wait, you also said, I'm going to wait to get blackout drunk till after your show, so. This is a real life story. I love it. I know you want me to be.

[A]

I'm so sorry. No, no, you're fine. Wait, I need to tell something really quickly. I told. I told Georgia. There's this girl who just made the funniest joke on Twitter. And then she's like, yeah, but we just got this wedding invitation, and so. And she's like, ooh, this is a good one. So then we're. We do that. Then we're like, we have another minute. I don't know. It's you.

[B]

I just.

[A]

I'm psychic is what I'm saying. Did you see that?

[B]

So good. You're so.

[A]

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[B]

See that girl right there? That's my best friend. She just graduated college to be an rn.

[A]

Like your mom.

[B]

Oh, my God. No. Single mom.

[A]

Congratulations, sons.

[B]

This is gonna be, like, downer than an upper real fast. Her son had cancer. Kicked cancer's ass.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yes. Don't try to make me cry. I'm sorry.

[A]

Okay, tell your story.

[B]

Okay, so anyone here from New York?

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah, girl.

[B]

Okay, so you're both gonna make fun of me for this, but we bartended an Outback Steakhouse. Nice. We're not making fun of that shit.

[A]

Great. We love that place.

[B]

So I was also, like, a raging alcoholic around 18 to 21. And this guy who owned a Quiznos thought it was cool at the time, wanted to hang out with me. So we went to a waterfront bar, drove myself and my cousin home, and I was like, this guy's slightly creepy and wasn't enjoying it. And I had him drop me off at a diner because I was like, I. I don't want him know where I live. So I called my stepfather.

[A]

Smart.

[B]

I thought it was real smart.

[A]

It's very smart.

[B]

I called my stepdad. I was like, listen, my best friend didn't know this guy's first name, is gonna drop me off this diner while he picked me up.

[A]

He was all about it.

[B]

So fast forward a couple years later, a very good friend of mine, who is smoking hot, like, you know, you have those friends that are just, like, real hot.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

She's so hot, and she starts dating him. And we're like, that's not the best idea.

[A]

There's no thing. Such guy.

[B]

The Quiznos guy.

[A]

Okay. And can't she get in 21?

[B]

She's 21. And everyone's like, you know what? She's real hot. He's got a lot of money. This is a good idea. You know what? He gives me Molly on the weekends, and I really like it. And I was like, go for it, girl. And she told me. She was like, you know, he got real mad at me. We ordered pizza. He went to pick up the pizza, and I looked in the drawer for a pen, and when I came home, he was like, you open the drawer? She was like, what are you talking about? And he was like, I taped the drawers.

[A]

I know that.

[B]

You opened the drawer.

[A]

And she was like, oh, shit.

[B]

Well, that's kind of weird. This is all happening at an Outback Steakhouse. Very big news. Oh, my God. Okay.

[A]

Did she work at the steakhouse too?

[B]

Sure did.

[A]

Fuck, yeah.

[B]

Sure did. And way too hot to work at the steakhouse, I'll tell you that. And. And so she. This is about a month after that, she says to me, listen, he went to a club last night. He came home the next day, and he said, you know, there's this girl that's missing. But we hung out with her all night. I want to help the cops. And so she was like, yeah, that's great. And the cops want to talk to you because you used to hang out with him. And I was like, yeah, that's great. So we talked to the cops, and they're like, listen, this girl's missing. Her name's Laura Garrett, which was a very, very big case in New York, if anyone's heard of it. This really beautiful girl from Texas, Hispanic girl. She was beautiful. Ends up missing. And so the state troopers come to our Outback Steakhouse. She's a hostess. I'm a server at the time the state troopers come in, they say, listen, your boyfriend knew this girl. Can we have your cell phone? And she was like, okay, but I thought he was helping you. And she's like, you know, we just need your cell phone. Fine. That's great. She gives him the cell phone that night. She sleeps at his house. No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She sleeps at her boyfriend's house.

[A]

With no cell phone.

[B]

With no cell phone. Oh, shit, girl. And in the morning, he's like, my landlord's coming over, my rent is due, and my lease is up.

[A]

I gotta clean everything top to bottom.

[B]

And I spit a little bleach on this part of the carpet. So I cut a piece out of the closet, and I'm gonna put it right here. She helped him. Oh, she goes back to work, set out back. Steakhouse and we're all there. State troopers come in, and they're like, bitch, you gotta go. She's an accomplice. They think. Well, long story short, the dead girl was in the closet.

[A]

No.

[B]

While she slept, he was having sex with her. And she saw a picture of super hot, smokin hot Lindsey and said, do you have a girlfriend? And he said, he.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And she got real upset, and he strangled her.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Put her in the closet, got spooked, had the girlfriend stay over. She helped him bleach the apartment. Oh, my God.

[A]

But not knowing why.

[B]

Not knowing why. 100% not knowing why. And it took. Okay. And I live in a pretty small hamlet. It's about an hour north of Manhattan, kind of west. But they were looking in the woods. In my woods. My. My parents woods, everyone's woods. Could not find it. The mom of the girlfriend was like, listen, he came, he had dirt in his clothes, and he said he helped change her tire. I don't know if that helps you. He had dumped the body in Pennsylvania, but it took them almost a year to find it. And she. I mean, smart thinking. Ended up dating a state trooper after.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Smart thinking. Yeah, she did. She did.

[A]

Smoking hot Lindsey. Got herself a cop.

[B]

Yeah, he dumped her. But eventually she's got a nice boyfriend now.

[A]

But though he. Sorry, what's the name of your podcast? Because I'm gonna start listening to it, girl.

[B]

But she legitimately was asleep in the apartment.

[A]

That was fucking insane.

[B]

And he. In court, she had to testify against him. And he said, she saw a picture of you and pointed to her and said, saw a picture view. And. And freaked out. So I strangled and killed her. And you know how, like, real. I mean, we're kind of in a dumb town. People aren't very educated. They're like, there's careful pieces of her body in the Quiznos subs. Oh, my God. That Quiznos got shut down. Tell you that right now. But, yes, our friend Lindsey did stay sexy. She did not get murdered, thank God. But she was real upset because the family came from Texas and camped out at our Outback Steakhouse every day to ask her for what she knew. Wow. Real ox off. That's a lot.

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I feel real cool crushing this table. So the magic happens. Amanda, right?

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Yes. Karen.

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Amanda. That was the best hometown murder I.

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Think we've ever had. Thank you.

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I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah.

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Lauren.

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That's the badass nurse Mom. Grace, you're amazing, man. Thanks.

[A]

That was great. You're hilarious. Amazing. Thank you so much.

[B]

Thank You. You have dogs, and I don't want to take this from her.

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We'll see you later.

[B]

Should we just leave? Let her take this.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. She just keeps talking. Anyway, the other thing that happened at Outback Steakhouse, and a lot of crazy shit happens there, let me tell you.

[B]

She was good. She's like, I can learn something.

[A]

Here's the thing that's really irritating. Like, when I started stand up comedy in 1990, not that many people did it, and very few people were funny, and not that many people were good at it. And now everybody's hilarious and everyone's good at performing, and it's, like, the most fun thing in the world. But it took me forever to get, like, to Amanda's level, and it really pisses me off. Really pisses me off.

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I am 100% not there yet. Like, not even there's. We're gonna need.

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You'll get there. You'll get. You know what you have to do? You have to bartend at Outback Steakhouse.

[B]

Oh, fuck, yeah. Practic. I'm gonna take her class.

[A]

Okay, we're back. Georgia, do you want to give some updates on these hometowns?

[B]

Well, there's no updates for the West Virginia co ed murders. Sadly, that case remains unsolved. However, Michael Maley was sentenced to 23 years in prison.

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And that wraps it up. So this episode was originally titled Live at Rams Head Live. Oh, wait a second. Here's the thing. It's called Rams Head Live. The actual place. That's what it is. So we're just making the joke of Live at Ramshead Live.

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I love it. I did not get that. I was like, I love it.

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I know, I know. I just realized that. But if we were naming it today.

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I don't want to change it. But we could name it no Couth on a Plane about me. I have gotten better about being on planes and not looking like a total, you know, Victorian child who lives on the street. But not much. Not much.

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But I mean, why? Also, this is such an amazing line. Georgia. Georgia.

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Why did I say that? Okay.

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It's the trouble theme song. And in the key of diarrhea, it's.

[B]

Just, oh, that's so blue. I never say that kind of thing.

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It's such a live show.

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I just say I was constipated.

[A]

It's such a live show line where we're just out there.

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It is.

[A]

We used to do live shows. Like, we're just leaving it all out here, and only these people are gonna hear it.

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Totally.

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And then Of. Of course, post it right.

[B]

And then finally we could call. We could call it Ending in the Middle, which is what she did, which we like to do. So, you know, it doesn't have to be linear. These stories, sometimes they can.

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You have to end. You put the ending in the middle.

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It's almost more exciting when it's that way.

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It really is. Well, that was our live show at the Rams Head Live.

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Thanks for listening, you guys. Let's say goodbye from Baltimore.

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This was such an amazing show.

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Thank you so much. Baltimore, you are.

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What a great crowd you were. Thank you for listening. Thank you for being a part of the rhythm nation. Yeah, it's so nice that you came. Punk rock crew. You guys fucked it up the whole time. Thank you for being punk.

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Thank you.

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