Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 83: The MFM + Unqualified with Anna Faris Crossover Pt 2

Summary

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Podcast Summary: My Favorite Murder – Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 83: The MFM + Unqualified with Anna Faris Crossover Pt 2

Release Date: February 11, 2026
Hosts: Karen Kilgariff & Georgia Hardstark
Special Guests: Anna Faris, Sim

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Episode Overview

This episode of My Favorite Murder: Rewind is a dynamic crossover revisiting a classic two-part collaboration between My Favorite Murder and Anna Faris’ podcast Unqualified. Karen and Georgia reflect on their 2017 meeting with Anna Faris, sharing commentary, updates, and behind-the-scenes anecdotes. The episode delves into two compelling true crime cases—Rebecca Schaeffer and Charlie Brandt—and wraps up with the signature Unqualified advice call segment, blending MFM’s dark humor and empathy with Anna’s candid insights.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Recap of the Unqualified Crossover & Meeting Anna Faris

[01:51–03:30]

• Karen and Georgia reminisce about collaborating with Anna and adjusting to the energy of another podcast team.
• Discuss the surreal experience of being in the home of “an A-list celebrity” who was already a fan of their show.
  • “Oh, hey, you’re a fucking A-list celebrity and we’re in your house right now and we just found out that you somehow know who we are.” — Georgia [03:50]
  • Anna is praised as “incredibly wonderful—now and forever.”

2. Ana Faris Presents the Story of Rebecca Schaeffer

[06:23–23:35]

• Context: Rebecca Schaeffer, a promising young actress in LA, was stalked and murdered by Robert John Bardo in 1989.
• Karen provides detailed background, emphasizing Rebecca’s “warmth” and relatable public persona.
  • “She had the Sandra Bullock feel to her where you’re like, oh, I’m friends with her already.” — Anna [09:17]
• The stalker’s trajectory is described—his troubled upbringing, previous obsessions, unsuccessful attempts to reach Rebecca, and escalation to violence.
• The case’s grim turning point: Bardo hires a detective to locate Rebecca via DMV records, culminating in her murder at age 21.
• Impact on law & society:
  • Enactment of the Driver’s Privacy Protection Act (1994)
  • First anti-stalking teams and laws in the U.S.
  • “It was a catalyst in getting California’s first anti stalking laws passed.” — Karen, reading a listener hometown email [25:12]
• Memorable moment: Anna and the hosts dissect the dangers of parasocial relationships and fame.

3. Listener Hometown Story: Rebecca Schaeffer Connection

[24:00–26:38]

• A listener shares their mother’s experience babysitting a young Rebecca Schaeffer, highlighting the randomness of true crime impacts.
  • “I can’t imagine how horrifying and surreal that moment of realization must have been for my mother.” — Karen [25:12]
• Emphasis on how victims’ families and communities cope and, sometimes, work toward change.

4. Georgia’s Case: Serial Killer Charlie Brandt

[28:28–45:36]

• Case overview: Charlie Brandt, a seemingly mild-mannered husband, secretly harbored a history of violence, culminating in a 2004 murder-suicide that revealed his connection to multiple cold cases.
• Georgia details Brandt’s early trauma and violence (killing his pregnant mother at 13), an adulthood full of secrets, and grotesque murders displaying anatomical precision.
  • “He gets up from his homework, grabs a 9mm from his father’s nightstand, goes into the bathroom and shoots his father in the back. Then he walks to his mother, she says ‘No, Charlie, no,” but he fires at her until there’s no more bullets left.” — Georgia [33:07]
• Investigation into his background uncovers his methodical approach, obsession with human anatomy, and disturbing collections.
• Police and media link him to at least six other murders, with a possible total of 26.
  • “If somebody just gets up as a 13-year-old and shoots a bunch of people in their family, you can pretty much assume that’s not going to end there.” — Anna [44:32]
• Georgia and Anna note the chilling normalcy Brandt projected and failures of mental health and criminal justice systems.

5. Listener Hometown Story: Close Ties to Charlie Brandt

[46:35–48:50]

• A listener recounts that their uncle was Charlie Brandt’s roommate, noting Brandt’s “charming” exterior and only one off comment about “cutting out and eating someone’s heart.”
• "My uncle said he didn't sleep for a month when he heard the details." — Georgia [48:49]

6. Unqualified Advice Segment: Should I Hook Up with My Friend’s Cheating Ex?

[49:23–58:39]

• Caller Leah asks if it’s okay to hook up with her former friend’s ex-husband, given the friend cheated on him repeatedly.
• The hosts unanimously validate Leah’s choices, emphasizing self-compassion and rejecting toxic friendships.
  • “A dude would never be asking these questions. No fucking way. And women, we beat ourselves up so fucking much.” — Karen [53:20]
  • “Enjoy yourself. I don’t know. Life is short. ... Get your nut.” — Karen [57:45–58:20]
  • "The fact that you even question if you’re a bad person or not based on this, I think proves to us that you’re not.” — Georgia [57:37]
• Anna reframes the friendship as one-sided and encourages Leah to focus on happiness.

7. Episode Reflections & Possible Retitling

[59:08–59:44]

• Karen and Georgia discuss what the episode might be titled today:
  • “My Favorite Unqualified”
  • “Tim Timesheet” (an in-joke from Anna misreading a script)
  • “Scary Movie 1, 2, 3, 4 Actress” (a joking riff on Anna’s filmography)
• Anna is thanked fondly for her warmth and humor.

8. Humorous Sign-Offs & Banter

[59:44–60:34]

• Hosts and guests joke about personality types, serial killer zodiac signs, and the classic “Stay Sexy, Don’t Get Murdered” MFM sign-off, alongside Anna’s new twist: “Fuck you, Sim.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Parasocial Fame:
  “It was interesting to meet a person that we already knew. And have them know us. ... It’s like, oh, hey, you’re a fucking A-list celebrity.” — Georgia [03:39–03:50]
• On Rebecca Schaeffer’s Impact:
  “It was a catalyst in getting California’s first anti stalking laws passed.” — Karen, reading listener email [25:12]
• On Charlie Brandt’s Dual Life:
  "He seemed totally normal. Save for the one instance he told my uncle that the best way to get revenge on someone was to cut out and eat their heart. ... You had to think it was a joke, right?" — Listener’s hometown, read by Georgia [48:04]
• On True Crime & Personal Boundaries: "You’re not a bad person. Just like, you know, we’ve been telling you, but we have been talking about bad people, but you are not one of them." — Karen [57:28]
• On Women & Guilt:
  “A dude would never be asking these questions. No fucking way. And women, we beat ourselves up so fucking much.” — Karen [53:20]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:51] Show kicks off: Welcome, episode concept, Anna Faris crossover reminiscence
• [06:23] Ana presents Rebecca Schaeffer story
• [24:00] Listener hometown story about Rebecca Schaeffer
• [28:28] Georgia tells the story of Charlie Brandt
• [46:35] Listener hometown: family connection to Charlie Brandt
• [49:23] Unqualified advice segment with caller Leah
• [59:08] Reflection on episode titling and Anna Faris jokes
• [60:21] Classic MFM sign-off with Anna Faris twist

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Tone and Style

True to My Favorite Murder tradition, the discussion is a blend of darkly comic banter, empathy for victims, self-awareness about the fascination with dark stories, and a supportive attitude toward listeners. Anna Faris’ warmth and ease bring a little extra brightness and playfulness, balancing hard subject matter with humor and heart.

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For New Listeners

This episode features a rich blend of chilling true crime storytelling, personal anecdotes, and practical advice on life’s weird situations. Highlights include a haunting celebrity tragedy (Rebecca Schaeffer), a lesser-known but deeply unsettling serial killer case (Charlie Brandt), and an empathetic, no-nonsense advice segment. If you enjoy irreverent humor and honest discussion about justice, women’s experiences, and life’s moral quagmires, this crossover delivers.

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Stay Sexy. Don’t Get Murdered. And, in Anna Faris’ words: “Fuck you, Sim.”

Transcript

[Anna Faris]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

You know, every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all new commentary and updates and insights.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We truly do, Karen.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

We really do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And today we're recapping episode 83, which is the second half of our two part unqualified crossover, which we succinctly titled Unqualified with Anna faris crossover part 2.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

This episode came out on August 22, 2017.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Now let's listen to the intro of episode 83.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sim. This is when you're supposed to talk.

[Sim]

Well, this is part two. I'm excited that we're all back here. Thank you for showing up again.

[Anna Faris]

No problem. It was a long drive, but worth it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so crazy. You're wearing the same.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, I love it though.

[Anna Faris]

This is my Thursday shirt.

[Sim]

All right, so we're gonna start with Ana first. She's gonna do her favorite murder. After that, we'll go to Georgia. You'll do yours. We have one more advice call and then we're done with the show.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Are we calling this my favorite unqualified.

[Sim]

My favorite Unqualified. I love it.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Did we already.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can I. I didn't mean to cut you off, Georgia.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

There was nothing else to say.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I feel that way all the time.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I wish you would.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And we're back. We had to learn what other people's podcast, like engineers are like.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Because Sim was the Steven of Anna Faris is unqualified.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. And he was great.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

He was.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We were like, stephen, step it up, Stephen.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

You're no Sim. Could you imagine we said that? No, but it was like a different energy. And then we're just kind of like we are combining podcasts right now.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So weird.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Very strange.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. We said last episode about how incredibly wonderful Ana is and was and will be and always will be and always.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Will be forever and ever. I mean, it was interesting to meet a person that we already knew.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And have them know us.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Separately from us directly knowing them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. It's not like, oh, this is a fellow podcaster. What's up? It's like, oh, hey, you're a fucking A list celebrity and we're in your house right now and we just found.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Out that you somehow know who we are.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

So now we're all acting chill about it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Why are you so pretty? It's like not fair and tiny. I have so many questions. Questions for you, Ana.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right. Well, she delivers. Yes, she does in her story. Let's get into Ana's story about Rebecca Schaeffer.

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, so I have to tell you, though, I have to qualify this with. This is actually like a story that I remember very vividly and kind of has sort of haunted me throughout Hollywood and, like, and the idea of sort of becoming well known, shall we say, famous.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God.

[Anna Faris]

I think I. I think I might.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do you maybe.

[Anna Faris]

I have two ideas of what it could be.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like, as all these stories are horribly tragic.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, I know it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You do?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I bet I do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

No, I'm excited.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, no, no, It's. It's terrifying because, you know, I live here, like, whatever, like in a weird.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Home.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And anytime there's a ding dong in the back of my mind, this story a little bit, which is Rebecca Schaeffer.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is that what you were gonna guess? You were Karen, you were gonna guess it.

[Anna Faris]

It was either Rebecca Schaeffer or Theresa Saldana is the other one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I was gonna guess Sharon Tate. So I was wondering.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I couldn't go quite there, but I.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Can never do that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is one of the most. Well, they're all tragic stories, aren't they? Okay, so Rebecca was born November 6, 1967 and raised in Portland, Oregon. And she wanted to grow up being a RAB. 14 years old. Her good looks caught the attention of a cattle call, which my good looks never caught the attention of a cattle call.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

The attention of a temple of a rabbi.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hey, at A local modeling agency. Less than two years later, in 1984, after appearing in a number of Portland area publications, she went to New York to pursue her modeling career. Her modeling career didn't take off due to being only 5 foot 7, which.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, poor thing, gross.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So she decided to focus on acting quickly, appearing in television commercials, Seventeen magazine, Woody Allen's film, Radio Days, and One Life to Live. So she became very successful. She was a stunningly.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Who was she on Radio Days?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was cut.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, son of a bitch. That movie's so good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In 1986, at the age of 18, her work caught the attention of Los Angeles casting directors and she was cast in the CBS sitcom My Sister Sam, playing the character of Patty. Sam's. Sam's next door. Sam's girl next door sister. What the fuck?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Who wrote this?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, okay. Anyway, now she's living in la. Rebecca was on the fast track to stardom.

[Anna Faris]

Can I just say that my sister and I loved my sister Sam from the second it came out. We loved her so much. She was just one. She looks like one of those classic all American girls. Curly hair, great face, beautiful, but also like, sweet.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You could feel her positive because I watched it too. And you could feel like her. I don't know, I hate to say, positive energy. That sounds like a very LA thing to say, but. But a warmth.

[Anna Faris]

She had the Sandra Bullock feel to her where you're like, oh, I'm friends with her already.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So now we have the stalker. The stalker comes into play.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

She's always a fucking stalker.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep. Robert John Bardo. So he was a 19 year old Tucson resident. Bardo repeatedly had a troubled childhood. An alcoholic mom and mentally ill father, he was abused by one of his siblings and placed in foster care. After he threatened to commit suicide, he was diagnosed with manic depression and at one time institutionalized for a month for emotional problems.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Don't put your fucking kid in foster care if he wants to kill himself.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No kidding. So beyond that timeline. Beyond that, says here on my info sheet. Beyond that, Tim time he received professional help.

[Anna Faris]

Steven, God damn it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Beyond that, Tim time he received professional help. But okay, back to my sweet Rebecca. At age 16, before stalking Rebecca, he stalked a child peace activist, which I always thought was an interesting detail.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Is that her choice?

[Karen Kilgariff]

How do you find the child peace activist? But anyway, saw TV or something. Wonderful woman named Samantha Smith, who tragically died in a 1985 plane crash, which weirdly was a year of a lot of plane crashes. 85. Yeah, 1985.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Is that John Denver I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know. Probably don't ask me too many questions. I've just got to read the Tim timesheet. Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Karen usually knows these weird, obscure facts.

[Anna Faris]

I was scraping my brain. Was that the one where the. The rugby team ate each other?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

That counts for three. That one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Anyway, so this fellow Bardo, he was lonely and he spent a lot of time watching television, believe it or not. He discovered Rebecca's sitcom, My Sister Sam, and he became pretty smitten. He saw her as a beauty. He saw her as beautiful. And host. Wholesome. Wholesome. Ah, God, Can I say that again? Wholesome. That's like how you describe oatmeal. But innocent, I think, is sort of the major point that we will get to later. And he collected her magazine covers and talked about her as if they were friends. I don't know who you talked to about because I don't think he had a lot of friends. Maybe he just.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

The grocery store clerk.

[Anna Faris]

Yeah, he's like whoever he bought the magazine from.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So over the course of three years, he wrote, you know, a ton of letters to Rebecca. And one letter was answered by an employee of Shaffer's, Rebecca Schaeffer's fan club. And he was encouraged by that. He came to Los Angeles hoping to meet her on the set of her sitcom My Sister Sam. But he was turned away by Warner Brothers security. He was pissed. He returned a month later armed with a knife, but security guards once again prevented him from gaining access to the actress.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I don't know why.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You can't get.

[Anna Faris]

Onto that Warner Brothers lot.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

You can't. Not the first time. The second time, they're like, come on in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I would love it if somebody was like, I got a knife. I gotta see her.

[Anna Faris]

Oh, well, then you should have said that the last time you were here, sir.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. So he later said that he brought the knife because he thought Rebecca was becoming too arrogant. The security weirdly thought that he was just harmless and love sick. And he was never reported to the police. So once again, very upset, he returned to Tucson and lost focus on Schaeffer for just a little while. His obsession shifted towards pop singers Debbie Gibson and Tiffany.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, I mean, mine did too, but I wasn't a fucking psychopath.

[Anna Faris]

I mean, 85. What choice did we have, right? They were on their mall tours.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So during this period, he was arrested three times on charges including domestic violence and disorderly conduct. Okay, now we're getting to the actual tragic events. And I hope our listeners know and everybody knows that this I'm simply like the scary movie. 1, 2, 3, 4. Actress, not 5. Too old.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

What?

[Sim]

Wait.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Split.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Man did not understand that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, the scary movies and all the scary movies, but. So I don't have a. I don't. But fame is an odd thing, and I don't think that. I hope nobody comes over and does a ding dong.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

So we could talk about this for a half an hour.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right? But I do. Yes, but the obsession with fame is something that at times has freaked me out just a little bit. Not too much, because, you know, I'm simply that other one. Not like a beautiful 21 year old who stars on a massive. Well, honey, it's okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

You're not gonna seem arrogant.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, thank you.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

If you are scared of psychopaths.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So on June 3, 1989, our murderer turned his attention back to Rebecca after watching her in the black comedy Class Struggle in Beverly Hills.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Did you see that? Have you seen that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, it's.

[Anna Faris]

But is that the name of it? It's not Class Struggle in Beverly Hills. It's this. Is it true?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Beverly Hills.

[Sim]

No, no, no, that's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's right.

[Sim]

Class Struggle in Beverly Hills.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, do you guys want to fight?

[Anna Faris]

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That'd be amazing.

[Anna Faris]

What am I up to? I'm thinking of the one with Nick Nolte.

[Sim]

Right? No, this was like a. I'm sure it was like a B movie.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Show it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So she had a scene in bed with a man. I've seen that movie. Yep. And Bardo went into a jealous rage and decided that she should be punished for becoming another Hollywood whore.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Fucking arrogant piece of shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know. He believed that she had lost her innocence, so he paid a detective agency $250 to find Schaeffer's home address in California. DMV records?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And Bardo's brother helped him get a handgun because he was only 19. I guess maybe in Tucson you can't get a gun. I'm sure the laws have changed. You can get a gun now when you're nine, you actually get one automatically.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

When you're eight years old, an automatic automatically.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. So on July 18th, 1989, he traveled to Los Angeles a third time. I bet. Do you think he drove or did he.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I think he took a bus. Right. I remember watching. And I remember watching, like a reenactment thing. And he's like, doo dee doo off a bus, like a Greyhound, Like, I've always smelled wonderful.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. So we went to her apartment, which is in the Fairfax district around 6:30am oh, no. Can you imagine? So we rang the doorbell. The intercom was not working that day. That fucking manager.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

For real.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, my God. Manager and detective need to go on an island.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Commercial Announcer]

Stay there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So Schaeffer was. She was up preparing for an audition for the role in Godfather Part. Oh, she was up so early. So she answered the door. Bardo showed Schaeffer a letter, an autograph that she had previously sent him, probably through the agency that, like sends that stuff out. Rebecca thanked him and said she was busy and had to go. So then Bardo went to a local diner and had breakfast and he was very disappointed. An hour later, 10:15am, he returned to Schaeffer's apartment for the second time. Schaefer answered the door again. This is a weird detail. I know, it's weird. Wearing a picture black bathrobe, which maybe she looked. Of course she looked incredibly hot. And maybe that agitated him even more. She was about to get dressed for her audition. He pulled a gun from a brown paper bag and shot her in the chest at point blank range in the doorway of her apartment building. And Schaefer apparently became screaming.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Why?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why? She collapsed in her doorway. As Bardo fled, a neighbor phoned paramedics who arrived to transfer to Cedars Sinai Medical center. And she was pronounced dead 30 minutes her arrival. And she was 21 when she died. And so anyway, he was arrested a day later in Tucson, Arizona, after motorists reported a man running through traffic on the 10. And he immediately confessed to the murder. So in 1991, he was brought to trial and prosecuted by Marcia Clark.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

That's so weird.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And during the trial, Bardo claimed that the U2 song exit was an influence in the murder. The song played in the courtroom as evidence.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Which one is that? Someone sing it to me. I don't know that one. Every breath.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I swear to God, I feel like you two would know so much trivia and I'm sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I don't. Yeah. Oh, boy. It's so. This is a hard one for me to talk about a little bit. Well, they're all hard, aren't they? They're unbelievable.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So Bardo's attorneys argued that he was mentally ill, that schizophrenia had led him to commit the murder. So he was convicted of capital murder and he was sentenced to life in PR without the possibility of parole. But here's the good sort of good news after all of this is that the Driver's Privacy Protection act was enacted in 1994, which prevents the DMV from releasing private addresses. So there are now anti stalking laws in every state. And in 1989, in the wake of the murder, Louisiana police created the nation's first team specializing in stalking investigations. Also, California was the first state to criminalize stalking in the United States in 1990, following her murder in a string of other high profile assaults. But also that also came on the heels of Teresa Saldana. So that is something that just resonates with me just because the obsession, I guess, with fame and how scary sometimes it can be when people feel very familiar with you.

[Anna Faris]

Yeah, yeah. They know you, so it's not weird to them that they're coming to talk to you and they don't ever flip it and see that. It's like something out of the blue. Also, it just kills me because that idea of like, you move to la, you get a job, you get like a good apartment and you're in that mode. I'm sure she didn't think I'm famous because she was like, it was like, you know, she's on that show, maybe she's in. She's in one movie or whatever, but.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And I feel like in la, you get. People talk to you a lot less like they know that, you know, And.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think that people maybe think that like, like, I imagine now, like at the time, she probably was making a nice chunk of change, but probably not enough. She was still living in an apartment, unsecured apartment.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And. Because why wouldn't she necessarily be? And I just want you two to know that I feel a ton of cameras around here. That's right, yeah. Either of you try to take me.

[Anna Faris]

Out, I've already spray painted over half of them. I'm gonna finish before this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, listen, like, I, I want to reiterate, I'm 40, you know, it's not the sexiest of murders. If somebody comes, like, gosh, I'll just.

[Anna Faris]

Say to make you feel better, it took me fucking forever to find this out. So I think you're oak. Even if they could break into it.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Give them the address and be like, I bet you can't find it.

[Anna Faris]

Go ahead, challenge it is. I mean, it's just super sad sometimes. Those are the only highlights of when we tell our stories is stuff like that where, you know, it's such a tragedy that Rebecca Schaefer had to die. But then they finally were like, oh, that's right, you shouldn't be able to know anyone's address and you shouldn't be able to walk up to anybody's house. And you Shouldn't. If you tell eight people that you're obsessed with somebody, that should count against you. You know, stalking is a very serious thing.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

That wasn't. And it's probably still not taken seriously by a lot of law enforcement officials. No offense.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It is.

[Anna Faris]

No, it is the point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like you were saying that it hasn't been taken seriously because there's so much ego involved. Like, there's a dismissal of that, especially as a woman. Having said that, if anyone out there would like to stalk me.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Please subm.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Submit your application.

[Anna Faris]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let us know.

[Anna Faris]

Cancel history of violence.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Edit that out. Edit that out. Wow, that's. I'm so sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know, I know.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

So sad.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But like you were saying, Karen, that thankfully, it's changed some things.

[Anna Faris]

Well, and also, the Teresa Saldana story is so insane. I saw that as a kid on tv.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

The sister from Poltergeist.

[Anna Faris]

That's Dominique. Dominic Dunn's daughter. Dominique.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

No, it's.

[Anna Faris]

It was the woman who was the wife in Raging Bull, so she was just starting her acting career and getting kind of amazing parts, and she also had a stalker, and he did the exact same thing. He walked up to her apartment door and stabbed her. And actually, the Culligan man was walking up, delivering water to somebody else's apartment, and he got. I think he saved her. He either pulled the guy off of her or, like, got her. Like, the Culligan man saved her life, and she went to advocate for all those laws, too.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

That's, like, the end of. So many of our stories are like, you know, the. The victim's family then went on to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do great things, amazing things.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

That's, like, the only way I feel like you can personally survive these horrific things happening is if you try to make it worth. Like, make their.

[Anna Faris]

Make their.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The tragedy worth, like, hopefully prevention of.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Like, we've done the Amber Law. Amber Alert, girl. We Amber and we did Megan's Law, you know, that's why I keep the.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Guillotine, though, outside the house.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Warning.

[Anna Faris]

Just as a kind of like a simple.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Warning.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Come with me, I'll with you dicks.

[Commercial Announcer]

Here's what.

[Anna Faris]

I like that ex guy standing there like, I just have some packages for you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You with me? Oh, you're. You're bringing me my clothes?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, okay.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I'll take those.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

But don't fuck with me, but give me my fucking boots.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We are back, Karen. Do we have any updates?

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

The only update is that Robert John Bardo remains in prison, but we did look through the Gmail about this case and we found a hometown. So I'm gonna read it to you now. It says, hello to my beloved MFM crew. This is not so much my hometown story as it is my mom's. But I thought I would share anyway since it relates to a story that's mentioned on the show every now and then. And that was cover in the crossover episode with Anna faris in the mid-1970s. A couple years before I was born, my mom was a graduate student in Oregon studying child psychology. One of her professors had a preschool age daughter named Rebecca who he asked my mom to babysit.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh no.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

She babysat this child regularly for a couple of years until she had me. And I probably never would have heard the rather unremarkable story of my mom babysitting her professor's daughter. But just before I began sixth grade, we were watching a television interview with the parents of a young woman who was murdered by a stalker. And then, oh My God, that's Dr. Shaffer. My mom said when she had initially heard the news she had not yet put two and two together to realize that the Rebecca Schaefer who was murdered was the very same that she babysat about 15 years earlier.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I can't imagine how horrifying and surreal that moment of realization must have been for my mother. While there truly is no silver lining to the murder of Rebecca Schaeffer, it was a catalyst in getting California's first anti stalking laws passed past. Also, a few years later, my mom went on to run a crisis center and domestic violence shelter where she helped victims of stalkers, abusers, and human traffickers escape.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

It's still infuriating that so often it takes someone being hurt or killed to get police and lawmakers to pay attention to the situation. So stay sexy and pass preventative legislation before it escalates.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Miriam, that's incredible.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, yeah, hearing that story and how little could have even been done had anyone known to protect Rebecca, it was just. Is so horrifying. And I'm, I mean also I think.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

That is one of those. And we talk about this, but that idea that you're watching a person, you've interpreted their life this one way. Cause they're a TV star that's been brought into your world because it's like, oh, it's a TV star. And then the ending of that person's life is so horrific and tragic and it's like a reality bending in a way because it's like, oh no, wait, I just Knew her in this ideal.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Situation or as a human being with.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah. And you think it's ideal. This idea of fame, this idea of, like, this is what she's made it to the big time. And horrible.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

It's so sad.

[Anna Faris]

It really is.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Okay, so we're gonna get back into the unqualified crossover. Here's George's story about Charlie.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Brr.

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Sim]

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[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

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[Sim]

Georgie, what do you have for us?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Well, I have a serial killer I'd never ever heard of in one of those, like there's this buzzfeed or some website that I found that like the craziest murderer in every state. And this guy was Florida. So, you know, he's fucking top notch.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love it that we have like, like Washington crazy serial killers. And then Flo, like, it's like, yeah, I love it.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And we're doing three shows in Florida and Florida was like, when are you gonna come to to do a live show here? And we're like, oh, you have the best murders. We're coming there for three shows. Like there's no other state that we're doing three shows in. All right, September 15th, 2004. So friends of Michelle Jones, she's a pretty vivacious 37 year old executive at the Golf Champ in Orlando, were worried because they couldn't reach her. Which is like the beginning of every murder story, right? Michelle's aunt and uncle Charlie Brandt and Terry Helfrich were staying with her for a few days because they had been evacuated from their home in a seafront villa near Key West. There was Hurricane Ivan was coming and they had to get the fuck out of there. Michelle is like the niece and they're very.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The least sexy name for a hurricane.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Sorry, Ivan. Ivan. Did you hear the thing about how hurricane's named after women kill more people?

[Commercial Announcer]

Oh no.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Because they don't take them seriously. People don't take them seriously when they're named after women anyway. Da da da da da. She's close with her aunt and uncle. She invited him to stay with them. So Michelle's mother, who was Terry, the aunt's sister, called one of Michelle's friends and was like, can you go check on her? So the friend finds their mail overflowing. Newspapers from days earlier on the lawn. No one's answering the door when she knocks. The door's locked. She walks around to the garage, sees lights on through the windows. There's cars parked in the driveway. So she calls the cops. They arrive, they enter the home and quickly run back out and vomit in the yard, horrified by what they had found inside. So inside, reclining on the couch, is the body of Michelle's aunt Charlie's wife, Aunt Terry. She's been stabbed seven times in the chest and then her clothes had been removed, but she hadn't been sexually assaulted. In the bedroom is Michelle's body. She'd been stabbed only once. Then she had been disemboweled. Her heart and organs had been removed and she had also been decapitated. And her head was sitting next to her body.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So you didn't lead with that part.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's a lot.

[Anna Faris]

This is like she's walking us through that house. We're going room.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

We're going room.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Karen was like, should we warn people about the murders first? And I was like, don't worry, mine's way fucking worse. So we should warn this. So her head's next to her body. The weapons that have been used in the crime were the knives from her own kitchen. Then in the Garage Uncle Charlie. We find in a state of decomposition because of the heat. Uncle Charlie's body is hanging from his neck by a sheet from the rafters. He's dead. And then the investigators determined that it was a suicide. So there's no just like it, right? I mean, there's no suicide note and there's no way of knowing exactly what happened. But because of the lack of a break in or any other explanation, they conclude that Charlie was the murderer and it had been a murder suicide. So Uncle Charlie, I'm gonna call him that. Cause it's easier to remember him. He's described by all as a mild manner, loving husband, all around good guy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Aren't they all?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Aren't they always called that? But he was known as being a bit of an oddball and eccentric. But by all accounts, including Aunt Terry's best friend, Charlie loved her very deeply and the couple was inseparable. No one ever detected any problems or saw a fight in the relationship or anyone's temper. In fact, here's something annoying. They would make each other's lunches every morning because they said that lunch made by food made by someone you love tastes better than when you make at your stomach. Which can you imagine that couple? And you're like, can you guys shut the fuck up and just like, eat your lunch?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sounds like, like a great way to make someone, like make your food for you. Yeah, exactly, right?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I want a peanut butter and jelly. But I love the way it tastes.

[Anna Faris]

When you make it so much better when you do it.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

All the chores, when you unfreeze my chicken nuggets. When the investigators began to look into the murder suicide, Uncle Charlie's older sister Angela is like, hold up, I gotta tell you guys something. This has been a secret, a family secret for 30 years.

[Anna Faris]

Here we go.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yep.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

1971. Uncle Charlie is just 13. His father had recently killed his dog during a hunting trip with Charlie. The dad says he did it on accident, but he had shot the dog twice. And also, Uncle Charlie has some difficulty with school assignments, struggling to maintain his grades. But he was reportedly a really bright kid. So on the evening of January 3, 1971, while his dad. So his dad's in the bathroom shaving, his mother, who's eight months pregnant, is soaking in the bathtub. Charlie gets up from his homework, randomly grabs a 9 millimeter handgun from his father's nightstand, goes into the bathroom and shoots his father in the back. Then he walks to his mother, who's in the bathtub. She says, no, Charlie, no. But he fires at her until there's no more bullets left. This is really fucked up. I should have started with that. I'm sorry that this.

[Anna Faris]

After everything else.

[Sim]

That'S happened, is this more or less fucked up than most of your murders that you do on your shows?

[Anna Faris]

It's exactly the same.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

It's pretty, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Next he goes to his 15 year old sister Angela's room. Angela's the one telling the cops about this case. He goes to her room, points the gun at her and tries to fire. He didn't even know that the gun was empty. And she said that he looked like he was entranced, so he might not even have been. This was like going on and his gun was empty. They start to wrestle. Angela tries to talk Charlie down. She tells him that she loves him and we'll run away with him. But as soon as she gets a chance, she runs to a neighbor's house screaming for help. Charlie's mom dies, but his father survives and from the hospital bed says he has no idea why his his son would ever commit such an act. When Charlie's evaluated by psychologists, they see no signs of a diagnosable mental illness. They can't pinpoint a motive for the shooting at all. By all accounts, he's like, I loved my. They have no idea why they did this. So they said they weren't going to prosecute him because of that and his age because he's not responsible for his actions. But instead they sent him to a psychiatric clinic. His father visits him very often and after a year his dad is able to have him released to his custody and the whole family moves to Florida to get away from the town's scrutiny. And the murder of his mother is not spoken of again. To the point where his two younger sisters, who were super young when the mom was murdered, didn't even know about it. They thought their mom had died in a car accident until the murder suicide when Angela told the cops they didn't know a thing. Charlie gets excellent grades in school. He becomes a radar technician engineer. He finds the note from the BTK killer in the library.

[Anna Faris]

That's right, that was his favorite book. Referencing the old episode.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh shit, I forgot that it's a week later, Angela, his sister, marries a dude named Jim, finds out about the brother Charlie murdering their mom, still becomes good friends with him. So once Jim, his brother in law and Angela are getting a divorce on the topic of revenge, Uncle Charlie says, well, you know, the perfect revenge is you kill someone and you cut their heart out and then you eat that's the perfect revenge. But Jim, despite that, sets uncle Charlie up with a friend of his new girlfriend. This friend is aunt Terry. After six months, they get married. Can you imagine setting your fucking friend up with someone? Who said that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

No. That's the correct answer. No, absolutely not.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's see.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

We don't know if Terry knew or not about the murder of the mother.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Okay, so let's go back to 2004. Post murder suicide. The police find out about the fucked up stuff from Charlie's past. They begin to take a closer look at the murders of his wife and niece.

[Anna Faris]

So can I really quick ask a question?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Always.

[Anna Faris]

I just don't understand. As a kid, he kills his own mother, tries to kill his father and his sister, but the sister lives.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Anna Faris]

So then he just goes to a psychiatric hospital for a little while. And then they're just like business as usual.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah, less than business as usual. Like hiding stuff. And the dad is like, the way that this is speculation. That could get me sued. Can I do this?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Of course.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

If I preemptively. We have a lawyer in the room. He must have been some shit must have been going on in that household that his dad was like, nope, I want my kid out of there. Everything's fine. You know what I mean? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Molestation.

[Anna Faris]

So you think the dog thing was almost just like the straw that broke the camel's back, but really he was being molested.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Anna Faris]

And that's why the father wouldn't turn him in, because that all would come out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And then we have that thing about, like, if someone's molesting, if a. You know, like, killing the mother as well is always like a really weird thing. Because if you have an issue with your dad, why would you, you know, the mother would never step in that kind of thing. Speculate, your honor. Do you know what I mean?

[Commercial Announcer]

Mm.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Please approach the bench.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

All right. Okay. So they begin to take a closer look. They note that the amputations inflicted on Michelle the niece were not amateur, but were accomplished with skill and experience. They searched the couple's house. The couple's house is still boarded up from the hurricane. And they find a bunch of fucked up stuff. They find the bedroom door. So bedroom doors open. I never close my bedroom door when they open it. On the back of the bedroom door is a really creepy illustration poster of the female muscular and skeletal system. And she has like a bun on her head. And it's like a cartoon drawing. It's like so creepy. It's not just a skeleton. It's like a female skeleton with a face and muscles.

[Anna Faris]

So it's like one of those weird.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

You know that one anatomy. Oh, when you like a pop up book kind of thing.

[Anna Faris]

Well, no, I was thinking of. There was actually an art installation of a guy that was like, remember the thing? And I was just like, that person is a serial killer that made this. Who would want to go and like show what people look like with no skin?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Like embalming someone and then putting it.

[Anna Faris]

Up as art, but really just skinning them.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Anyway, I got nauseous at that art installation, quote, unquote, and had to leave. It was so disturbing of that one.

[Anna Faris]

Of like the human body.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

The human anatomy bodies.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. I saw it in New York and I don't have too many regrets in life. I mean, I should. I should have more. But that one is one of my regrets.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Considering how much I can read and watch and look at. I look at crime scene photos and shit. Like that was really fucking. They still had like hair.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, and there was all this, like these ethical issues of how the bodies were.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Right. Who were they?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, yeah. And apparently they were whatever.

[Anna Faris]

And like, do it.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

It's so weird. And who would go to it? Like, we don't need to know that. Well, apparently Charlie did, so. And also, despite not being in the medical profession, of course there were books on human anatomy and a bookshelf. And one of them contained a newspaper clipping of a labeled illustration of the human heart. He also subscribed. Here's what's fucking creepy. To Victoria's Secret magazine. And it was like. Or catalog. It was like in his name. It wasn't to his wife. And his nickname for his niece Michelle, who he killed was Victoria's Secret, he called her. Which is like. Don't.

[Anna Faris]

It's not a nickname. It says it's not shorter than her name.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah, it's not her name.

[Anna Faris]

Yeah, it's not even close.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

They checked out his computer. There was a bunch of erotic websites related to sacrifice, violence, necrophilia, containing photos of torture, rape and violent deaths, depicting female autopsies. They're all staged. Don't worry. Living models made to look dead. And they came to the conclusion that Charlie was obsessed with his niece Michelle and had premeditated the murders. And that he was also obsessed with human anatomy, especially the female human anatomy. Due to what they found in his house, as well as the observation that the murder of his wife and niece seemed to be the work of a skilled and practiced killer. Police began to look into previously unsolved cold cases in the area and also in the areas where he would travel for work, which he did a lot, because I guess engineers travel for work a lot.

[Anna Faris]

They train engineers.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Come on, Toot, Toot. What's the. You know. They sent out a description of the mo. Disemboweled, decapitated, clean cut, surgical precision. And they quickly got a ton of hits from other police stations. So his ties to an additional murder were uncovered by. Not investigators, but by the producers of the show 48 Hours, which is like, fuck, yeah. There's a really good episode of this on 48 hours. They passed along the information to the authorities. So in July 1989, off Big Pine Key, Florida, two fishermen found the body of Sherry Parisio. She was 38. She lived in a small boat and had been seen riding her bike earlier that day. She'd been in the water dead no longer than 12 hours. The site her body was found at was 1,000ft away from Charlie Brandt's big Pine Key house, 1,000ft away. Her head had been severed and her heart had been removed. And Charlie resembled a sketch of a man seen crossing the US one nearby on the night of the murder. And Jim, the fucking dude who set them up, who. Who had set them up, said Terry told him that Charlie came home that night wet and covered with blood around the time Sherry was killed. And she was like, what the fuck? And he was like, I was fishing and I killed some fish. And then in November 1995, along the Miami Dade county highway that Charlie would have had to use to get in and out of the Keys, the mutilated body of Darlene toller. She was 35. She was discovered in a plastic bag and her head and heart were missing as her. So since then, 26 murders going back as far what, as 1973. Which is when his dad checked him out of the insane asylum and took him to Florida. So that means he was 15 years old. They have had possible links to Charlie, but six murders have been positively identified and ascribed to Charlie. So Charlie Brandt, the fucking serial killer that I had never heard of. A possibility of 26 murders going back from when he was 15 years old, two years after he killed his pregnant mother. That's it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The Head and the Heart. Huh?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

The Head and the Heart.

[Anna Faris]

I wonder if they name that band.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, I know.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

The Head and the Heart and the Hunter. Oh, no, there's an actual.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, yeah.

[Anna Faris]

Oh, well, I've never heard of that guy.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, right. Yeah.

[Anna Faris]

That's crazy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And he was like, he looks so much like my cousin. It creeps me out. Like my cousin could play him in a movie.

[Anna Faris]

I also feel like that lesson of like, if somebody just shoot gets up as a 13 year old and shoots a bunch of people in their family, you can pretty much assume that's not going to end there.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

No. And I think the psychiatry psychologists were like, this is going to happen again. But his dad was like, nope. Taking him into custody.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's crazy, man.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And how could there not be one little thing that the psychologist found that we're like, well, here, like, everything's fine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Nope.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

He just killed his parents once, but everything else is fine. That's impossible.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. It does feel like. I think maybe now. I like to think that there's like, people are much more aware of warning signs, but it's disturbing that even as recently as back in the 90s, like the warning signs are like, well, well, you know, people get better. I suppose.

[Anna Faris]

Let's have a positive attitude about this.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Guy once he has his own apartment and he'll be fine. Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Anna Faris]

Crazy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, well, thank you for your really latest favorite murder.

[Sim]

There's no real way to transition to a call from this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No. Believe me.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Unless.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How do we.

[Sim]

Our shows are so different, our size, so different.

[Anna Faris]

I'm a Taurus.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

My sign is Stop. I'm a Gemini. I'm a Gemini.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. I'm a Sag.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I have no idea what the SIM is, nor do I want.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I don't either.

[Sim]

I have, you know, I'm a Gemini.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Are you? Oh, we're so much fun because we're. Fucking hell.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. I saw.

[Anna Faris]

I actually saw a thing and it had a list of like the most well known serial killers and most of them are Geminis. Yeah, it's Gemini or Virgo.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Virgo.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Gemini men are specifically are particularly crazy. Gemini girls are just fun drunks.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I love you.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

All right, well, because I'm the. When someone says that to you, it's because you're crazy. You're a great person.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Okay, we're back. Do you have any updates?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't have case updates, but I also have a hometown regarding the story.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

So here we go.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Greetings, pleasantries and niceties. I grew up hearing lots of stories from my father and uncle about their adventures of misspent youth growing up on military bases, stealing cars, catching venomous snakes with their bare hands, sneaking into bars, underage, and hustling bikers at prison. But I was still wholly unprepared. For a casual text from my mom a few weeks ago. That sound out? Your uncle Kevin's old roommate was a serial killer? Obviously this was not an appropriate conversation to have via text, so over the course of the subsequent phone call, my mom told me how my uncle had been watching 2020 when he heard a familiar name. The name of a man he had been close friends with while working together as radar technicians in the Bahamas and then later became roommates with when they moved back to central Florida. His old buddy, Charlie motherfucking Brandt. Yep. The Charlie Brandt whose insane story Georgia covered in episode 83. The Charlie Brandt who seemed like a totally normal guy in an incredibly loving marriage. Annoyingly so, until the day he brutally murdered his wife Terry and niece Michelle and then hung himself in the garage. My uncle said what everyone who spent time in close proximity to a serial killer, that he seemed totally normal. Save for the one instance he told my uncle that the best way to get revenge on someone was to cut out and eat their heart. This was apparently a belief he told to a handful of people, none of whom clocked it as terribly abnormal. You had to think it was a joke, right?

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I mean, it's so extreme and insane.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How do you respond to that?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He had no idea what Charlie was capable of, what he had already done. Oh, that's cause he knew him when he'd already done those things.

[Anna Faris]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And was like, this is a completely normal person. That's the scary. To me, that's the scariest.

[Georgia Hardstark]

A hundred percent. My dad and uncle are very close and early on in my parents relationship, they would all hang out together. My mom said the same thing as my uncle. He was charming and handsome and sweet. And she had no idea what kind of monster he truly was. When he left for South Florida, they all lost touch and didn't think much of him again until that episode of 2020. My uncle said he didn't sleep for a month when he heard the details. And I can't blame him. Stay sexy, don't drink and drive, and don't shack up with serial killers. Katie, she her.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

It's kind of like the other side of the first hometown. I read where it's like the victims, the experience of the victims, the loved ones of the victims. And now it's the experience of the friends and supposed loved ones of the killer. Yeah, just insane.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Takes all kinds.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Thank you for sending in your hometowns. We always love to hear them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, send them into my favorite murdermail.com if you have one.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah. And okay, so now we're gonna revisit the next part of this crossover and that's where we take an advice call with Ana.

[Sim]

Are we ready to call Leah?

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Leah?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, let's call Leah.

[Sim]

Let's call Leah. She's in OHIO and she's 28.

[Anna Faris]

Aren't we all?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Uh huh?

[Sim]

Did you say aren't we all?

[Leah (Caller)]

Hello.

[Sim]

Hey, Leah, how are you? It's Sim.

[Leah (Caller)]

Oh, hi, Sim, how are you?

[Sim]

I'm going to introduce you to Ana right now.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Hi, Leah.

[Leah (Caller)]

Hi, Anna.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you so much for, you know, being with us here tonight.

[Sim]

So, Anna, can you introduce our special guests?

[Karen Kilgariff]

We have Karen and Georgia from My Favorite Merch, which is an awesome podcast.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Hi.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Hi.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hi.

[Anna Faris]

Hi, Leah.

[Sim]

Leah, you wrote us, you wrote us asking if it's okay to hook up with your cheating friend's ex husband. Tell us your story. I mean, your story's kind of. Yeah. This is interesting.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is fun.

[Sim]

Start from the beginning.

[Leah (Caller)]

Okay. So two years ago, I was training a new girl at the place where I worked then, and her name was Janie, and she had just moved to Ohio. She had moved to be with her fiance. And we found out that her fiance was actually one of my old friends from high school. So Jamie and I, we became really close. I mean, we were doing everything together immediately. We just got along so well, and so we became friends. And it was really fun. It was so fun to hang out with her and her fiance because, you know, we had a past history too. So. So Jamie and Dustin, her fiance, they started to have some problems, and I was the first person to give them advice about them. We kind of lost touch. Janie and I did when I started a new job that was kind of farther away, but I would stop in every once in a while to my old job and just see her and see how she was doing. So one day I stopped in and she told me that her and Dustin were getting a divorce. And I told her, you know, whatever I can do to help, help. So the next time that I stopped.

[Georgia Hardstark]

In.

[Leah (Caller)]

She was there and she looked kind of nervous. And I found out why soon enough. It was because her new boyfriend was there. And it was a boyfriend that she met while she and Dustin were married. So they were together. And I found out she had told me then that she had cheated on Dustin. She had cheated with him with two different guys. And starting three months into their marriage, they got divorced about a year later. So Dustin had gotten a hold of me because I was kind of. I was going through some stuff and he was going through some stuff and we caught up and we ended up starting to hook up. And I've been so torn about it because I want to be a good friend. And I guess I've never been in a situation like this before before, so it's all kind of weird. Eventually I thought, you know, I have to at least ask her if we can be friends. And so I did. And she actually. She hasn't talked to me since. She was so mad at me for even asking.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Sorry.

[Commercial Announcer]

If you could be.

[Georgia Hardstark]

If you.

[Sim]

Friends with Dustin. Exactly. Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Leah (Caller)]

If it was okay for Dustin and.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I to be friends.

[Leah (Caller)]

Yes. Yeah. To hang out. She got. She got really mad. Yeah. And we haven't talked since. So I guess that's kind of where I'm at, is number one. I don't know. Is it okay for me, for Dustin and I to be hooking up? It's the best sex that I've ever had in my life. So nice to me. I mean, like, selfishly, that's. I. Yeah. I can't. Yeah, honey. So there's that. And then. And it's also. It's something that I would never, ever do. I would never hook up with a friend's ex in different circumstances ever. I think we do. You know.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Should I tell her?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I guess.

[Anna Faris]

We've got some answers for you.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah, we have them already. You're such a sweetheart. You're not a bad person.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, you know what? A dude would never be asking these questions. No fucking way. And women, we beat ourselves up so fucking much.

[Anna Faris]

Look, here's the thing. She cheated on him. It didn't even matter what she did because you already had a relationship with him. You already knew him before, so she was actually the new friend. And then she got rid of him. So it's. That's like you. It doesn't matter what happens after that, because if that relationship ends, you get to do whatever you want. And her being mad at you after she cheated on him and then has someone else in her life to even want to be friends with him. That is insane. I think you're going by her rules and you're kind of like taking her framework of the situation and going, is this okay? Because she said it isn't. It's abso fucking lutely okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And it doesn't sound like someone that I would really want to be friends with anyways. So you checking. You checking in with her, and it's so sweet and generous, but not necessary. You don't owe her anything. And, you know, you guys are. You're not gonna get married. Maybe, but you're getting your fucking sexual healing, and it has nothing to do with her in any way. And cheating on someone three months into a wedding, you know, that's probably not. Or a marriage. It's not the first time she did that.

[Anna Faris]

Probably it wasn't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was Right.

[Anna Faris]

But, I mean, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Matter what she does. It doesn't matter.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so true.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because it sounds like, you know, you might not value her friendship as much as you do, like other friendships or relationships. And life is fucking short. And I don't. I don't think you owe her anything.

[Anna Faris]

I mean, in this situation, it's. I think it's interesting, the. The idea that she. They broke. I mean, that was over, right? So it's not. She wasn't. She didn't get. This girl didn't get cheated on by the guy that you're hooking up with. So the idea that she's mad at you when she is absolutely not the victim in this situation, she went and did exactly what she wanted. So why don't you get to. Because you should get to. And if you want to get together with that guy, you should get to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Dude, get to know your fucking body with a man that you dare.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Who's nice to you.

[Leah (Caller)]

And I think that I have been so far.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I think that you wouldn't have called and asked this if you didn't know somewhere in your mind that something was really off about this.

[Leah (Caller)]

And I did. Yeah, I felt like it was, but I was surprised. The few people that I kind of ran it by, I got really mixed answers, and I think that's what made me so confused about it.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Well, people are answering based on their own history, not on the situation.

[Anna Faris]

That's what everybody does.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

If any of my girlfriends who I cared about and loved wanted to hook up with my exes, who are good people, I would be so happy for them.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Me too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, exactly. I would, too.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Anna Faris]

I think that's adult reactions. So she might be having more of a high school weirdo reaction.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like when you get an awesome pair of boots and your friend is like, I really like those boots.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Would it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Would it be okay if I also bought those? And some people would be like, no, these are mine. And other people are like, yeah, I'm so glad you like these boots.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

They're so comfortable. Your feet are gonna feel amaz.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And you celebrate the idea. Like, oh.

[Anna Faris]

But it's also the thing, I think it's also that thing of. It's weird to think that you can make friends with, say, a narcissist. It's weird to think that you could have a good time and have a good relationship with a person who's actually, deep down, incredibly selfish or incredibly self serving. So I think you're having doubts because the two of you hit it off and had a good time. But maybe a lot of the reason you had such a good time with her is, is because the boyfriend was there who you really liked and maybe have liked for a long time.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

He evened it out. The fact that she fucking kind of sucked. That's hilarious.

[Commercial Announcer]

We did.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Leah (Caller)]

We had a lot of fun all together. And I did. I mean, she and I got really close in a different way, but. Yeah, I never even thought about that before.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're not a bad person. Just like, you know, we've been telling you, but we have been talking about bad people, but you are not one of them.

[Anna Faris]

You're nowhere near it. No.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And the fact that you even question if you're a bad person or not based on this, I think proves to us that you're not.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're a wonderful person.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And no. Yeah, yeah. Like, enjoy yourself. I don't know. Life is short. I don't think you have to, like. I would, like, encourage you to distance yourself. I mean, you already have already from. From the friend, the gal. But. But also, you know, I don't know how much social media has to play in all of this, but I would also encourage, like, EAs on any of that because that always gets anybody into trouble. But I would. I was just like. Yeah. Have. Have. I don't know. I don't know. You're in your 20s. Yep. Get your nut.

[Anna Faris]

Get yours.

[Leah (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Sim]

Well, Leah, I think this is pretty obvious here at this point.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Are you okay with this? Just.

[Anna Faris]

Yeah, I. I am.

[Leah (Caller)]

I mean, thank you. Yeah, I do. I feel a lot better.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Sim]

Hey, Leah. Thank you.

[Anna Faris]

Hey.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We love you.

[Leah (Caller)]

Thank you so much.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I love you too. Too.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Bye.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Bye.

[Sim]

Bye, Leah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Get late.

[Sim]

We love you. Did you say get late?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

And we're back. How fun is that?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Can we just start doing that instead of the homework podcast?

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I mean, we can, but we're not.

[Anna Faris]

That good at it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think we're great at it.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

I don't know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Break up with him. That's my advice for everything.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Seriously, walk away.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Dump him.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Who cares?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cares.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Go. No contact with your mom.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Okay, so this episode we're going to get into the retitling yeah. It was of course called the MFM and Unqualified with Anna Faris crossover Part two.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But if we were naming it today, maybe we would call it my favorite. Unqualified. Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah, that was George's quip. Or we could call it Tim Timesheet, which is what Ana kept saying because she should have read the word timeline, and she wasn't. There was a time.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What about scary movie? 1, 2, 3, 4. Actress.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

So funny.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Oh, she's so funny.

[Anna Faris]

She is so great.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Anna, we love you. Thank you for having us at your home seven or eight years ago.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What a fun memory to look back on.

[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Yeah. Well, that's it for this week's episode.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Of Rewind and we'll say goodbye from Anna Faris house.

[Sim]

All right, this is. We're coming to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I guess Sim's doing the finger.

[Anna Faris]

Wow, that's. That's the wrap it up finger.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

He's giving us the finger.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Sim]

This was amazing, guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You guys, thank you so much.

[Anna Faris]

It was so fun.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thanks for being in my creepy house, in the creepy room, talking about incredibly creepy things.

[Anna Faris]

Such a creepy thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And you give amazing advice.

[Sim]

This is a lot of fun. I mean, let's do this once a.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Year if we can.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Totally, for sure.

[Sim]

Once a week or once a year.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

We'Re going to be here.

[Sim]

All right, let's do it once a week.

[Commercial Announcer]

Perfect.

[Sim]

Sounds good. Thank you so much.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you so much.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Anna, stay sexy. Oh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's go on.

[Anna Faris]

And don't get murdered. That's how we always end Ours.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Now you go yours.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I always say, fuck you, Sim.

[Anna Faris]

Oh, fuck you, Sim.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fuck you, Sim.

[Georgia Hardstark (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Don't get murdered.

[Sim]

Goodnight, everyone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Good night. We love you, listeners.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Karen Kilgariff (co-host, possibly alternating with E)]

Nice.

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