Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 88: Live at the Comedy Theatre

Summary

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My Favorite Murder: Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 88: Live at the Comedy Theatre

Podcast Network: Exactly Right and iHeartPodcasts
Episode Date: March 18, 2026
Original Episode Date: September 28, 2017
Recording Location: Baha Mar Resort, Nassau, Bahamas
Hosts: Karen Kilgariff & Georgia Hardstark
Key Theme: Revisiting the iconic live show in Melbourne, Australia (Episode 88), with new commentary, updates, and their signature comedic spin on dark true crime tales.

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Episode Overview

Karen and Georgia “rewind” to a 2017 favorite: their live show at the Comedy Theatre in Melbourne, Australia. From their current sunny setting in the Bahamas, they dive into the stories and memories that made Episode 88 unforgettable: travel misadventures, audience chaos, a notorious Australian serial killer, a WWII-era American murderer, and a chilling hometown story from a listener. The episode blends personal anecdotes, horror and humor, audience interaction, and true crime insight.

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Location and Mood Setting

• Recording from the beachside studio at Baha Mar Resort, Nassau, Bahamas.
• Karen: “We are literally in the freaking Bahamas right now.” (03:38)
• Both hosts bask in the joy and disbelief of their global podcasting lifestyle.

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Reliving the 2017 Melbourne Show

Anecdotes from the Live Tour

• Karen and Georgia reminisce about their first international tour jitters and the imposter syndrome of "being women of the world".
• Humor centers on their travel clumsiness:
  • Karen’s backstage chair collapse:
    “Right as I was about to turn to Georgia to say, hey, are you tilting to the right as I am?—the chair I was sitting in folded underneath me... I fell butt first with my hands toward Georgia.” (05:39)
  • Georgia’s sidewalk stumble in front of unimpressed Australian valet staff.
• Bonding over shopping adventures, gifts exchanged (like a shirt with a “cat in a babushka” for Georgia), and the peculiarities of Australian sizing and fashion. Dangerfield—"the best store”—is repeatedly mentioned.

First-Class Flight Hijinks

• Jokes abound about their first time flying internationally in first class, including the looting of “Sydney Opera House” salt and pepper shakers.
  • Georgia: “It was a little like, fuck the man. Yoink. You know, punk rock. Always.” (10:40)
• Karen confesses to plotting online purchases for the shakers, undeterred by mid-flight wifi shortages.

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Audience Interaction & Live Show Energy

• Steven, audience favorite, is called on stage and teased lovingly.
• Gifts from fans, including someone’s accidental donation of a makeup bag, become part of the onstage chaos.
• In-store mockery about Australian and New Zealand rivalries, crime-centric souvenirs, and the universal awkwardness of “falling in public.”

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True Crime Case #1: The Backpacker Murders (Ivan Milat)

[Karen's Main Story]
Timestamps: 31:27–69:00

Summary

• Karen introduces Australia’s infamous serial killer: Ivan Milat, known for the “Backpacker Murders” carried out in the Belanglo State Forest in the 1990s.
• Context: The rise of backpacking culture in Australia—how it became a billion-dollar industry and why young travelers became targets.

Victims & Discovery

• Begins with the 1992 discovery by joggers of Carolyn Clark and Joanne Walters’ bodies.
• Slow, grizzly revelations as police and a dedicated local uncover bodies of other young travelers (James Gibson, Deborah Everest, Simone Schmidtl, etc.).
  • “There was so little of them left that they just had to count the stab wounds on the bones.” (40:00)

The Paul Onions Escape

• The critical witness: British backpacker Paul Onions, who escaped a close call with Milat in 1990.
  • “Paul’s like, I sure fucking do know what that is [a gun], and jumps out of the truck. Bill starts shooting at him as he runs up the highway away.” (47:27)
• The hotline confusion and avalanche of tips delay the investigation, while more bodies are found in the forest.

Profiling and Milat’s Family

• Profiler narrows the suspect to a local with violent tendencies, strong family ties, and firearm experience.
• Milat’s background: Road worker, large close-knit family, prior violent offenses, past escape and faked death.
  • “He spent most of the 60s in jail. He loved guns. He had a four-wheel drive truck. He had 13 brothers and sisters.” (51:35)

Evidence and Arrest

• The breakthrough: Milat’s brother’s wife hands police a victim’s backpack, linking him to the murders.
• Paul Onions IDs Milat in a lineup; police arrest Milat, find trophies and weapons at his home.
  • “When the ballistics expert... test fires it, it matches the bullets used to kill Carolyn Clark.” (59:31)
• 1996: Milat convicted—seven life sentences, plus six years for the attack on Onions.

Lingering Mysteries & Sadism

• Milat’s possible involvement in many more disappearances—up to fifty-eight cases are similar; he never confesses.
• In prison, he self-mutilates (cuts off pinky, swallows razor blades), goes on hunger strike for a PlayStation.

Notable Quotes

• “If you hit the ground, it’s over. You’re the person that fell. If on top of that, you’re the girl who broke two legs of a chair—goodnight nurse.” (23:32, Karen)
• “So in the late 80s and early 90s… I hardly broke any chairs and I was doing all kinds of drugs and drinks.” (35:10, Karen)
• “How am I here right now? It doesn’t make sense.” (24:06, Karen, wrapping up the chair incident)
• On Paul Onions: “My favorite name in the world, Paul Onions… I need… how to make him mine. Paul, you don’t know me and I certainly don’t know you.” (41:31, Karen)

Updates

• “In 2019, Ivan Milat died in prison. He was 74 and it was five months after he was diagnosed with terminal esophageal and stomach cancer.” (71:02, Georgia)
• “His nephew… maintains that Ivan was framed for these murders and that his uncle’s arrest happened so Sydney would have a clear run to securing the 2000 Olympics.” (71:16, Georgia) (both hosts express skeptical amusement)
• Documentary “Ivan Milat Backpacker Murderer” explores claims of even more victims.

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True Crime Case #2: The Brownout Strangler (Edward Joseph Leonski)

[Georgia's Story]
Timestamps: 76:51–98:26

Summary

• The only American ever executed on Australian soil—Edward Joseph Leonski, the “Brownout Strangler.”
• WWII context: US soldiers stationed in Melbourne during the brownout (reduced lights for air raid safety), a city suddenly filled with foreign troops and tension.

Victims & Crimes

• 1942: Three women murdered in Melbourne within two weeks—attacked late at night, all with evidence pointing to an American soldier.
• Police create a mannequin of one victim dressed in her clothes with her photo as a face, hoping someone will recognize her (81:24).
  • “That’s like crazy awful… creepy, creepy hands.” (81:37, Karen)

Leonski’s Capture and Motive

• Known for aggression while drunk, a history of violence against women, and being transferred instead of prosecuted by the US Army.
• Arrested after being seen near the crime scene, yellow mud from the park matching evidence on his tent and shoes.
• He confesses, giving a bizarre motive: he “killed women to get at their voices.”
  • “He said about his second victim, Pauline Thompson, ‘She was singing in my ear. It sounded as if she was singing for me. She had a nice voice. I grabbed her. I don’t understand why she stopped singing.’” (90:30–90:39, Georgia quoting Leonski)

Trial and Execution

• Leonski is tried under American military law, confesses, convicted, and hanged at Pentridge Prison, Melbourne.
• Local legend claims locals provided the rope and gallows for his execution in collective outrage.

Notable Quotes

• “It was a brownout, and he strangles people. I didn’t need to explain that part. Stephen, cut that out.” (86:36, Georgia)
• “That guy’s fucking stupid.” (90:21, Karen, on Leonski’s rationale)

Psychology & Background

• History of family abuse, alcoholic overprotective mother, possible “symbolic matricide” (channeling Ed Gein vibes).
• Georgian psychoanalysis and comedic riffing on Leonski and his possible dual personalities.

Updates

• No significant updates to the case, but the infamy of Leonski remains a “unique” stain in Australian criminal history.

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Listener Hometown Story: Rebecca from Yarra Valley

[Timestamps: 99:03–109:51]

Summary

• Karen and Georgia invite Rebecca, an audience member, to share her wild hometown murder story.
• Rebecca recounts growing up in Coldstream next to a neighbor with a “creepy” tree—after it’s cut down, her family’s new house experiences hauntings (strange noises, musical instruments playing themselves, objects flying off shelves).
• The ghostly occurrences foreshadow a grisly truth:
  • Police discover a body (and other bones) buried next door (the neighbor’s yard).
  • Years later, the neighbor’s daughter is implicated in a separate murder, using dynamite in attempts to destroy evidence and break her boyfriend out of jail.
• The woman returns to live next to Rebecca’s mother after being released, now a born-again Christian.
• The story is met with shock, laughter, and genuine chills by Karen and Georgia.

Notable Quotes:

• “Wait, this is bearded guy’s backyard?” (105:15, Karen)
• “You guys need to just not have string instruments in your fucking house anymore.” (103:34, Karen)
• “In the end—yeah, my mom still lives next door to them.” (109:26, Rebecca)

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Notable Moments and Quotes

• “If you fly us first class, we’ll go straight to fucking hell. We’ll be like, first class! We’d love to go to hell and do a couple shows.” (10:05, Karen)
• On audience gifts: “That’s also the show where someone gave us, like, they left us presents after the show. And I think someone accidentally gave us their makeup bag.” (26:31, Karen)

Classic MFM Banter

• Karen and Georgia riff on cultural differences (Australian vs American food, Vegemite vs Nutella), audience heckling, and retail nightmares.
• Karen’s “Gap sweater folding story” adds more self-deprecating humor and retail trauma.

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Segment Timestamps

• Beachside setting & episode start: 03:18–04:18
• Melbourne live show banter, travel mishaps: 04:18–14:20
• First-class flight, salt and pepper shakers heist: 10:40–13:34
• Cultural exploration, retail anecdotes: 14:20–17:26
• Chair collapse, audience interaction: 17:26–24:06
• Start of Ivan Milat story: 31:27
• Paul Onions escapes, Milat’s arrest: 41:31–59:31
• Milat’s trial, list of possible additional victims: 59:31–66:43
• Milat’s death, nephew’s conspiracy theory, docuseries update: 71:02–72:14
• Start of Brownout Strangler story: 76:51
• Mannequin ID photo, Leonski’s “voice” motive, trial: 81:24–94:05
• Rebecca’s hometown haunting/murder-dynamite story: 99:03–109:51
• Wrap-up, alternative show titles, the legend of Paul Onions: 110:19–111:08

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Title Debates & Final Thoughts

• Karen and Georgia discuss that if they could rename the episode, it would be called “Paul Onions” after their favorite, most legendary witness.
  • “He really became a legend... and also one of the first... Nick Terry videos featured on Paul Onions.” (110:33, Georgia)

Memorable Takeaways

• The signature blend of relatability and irreverence MFM fans love:
  • Personal fails soften grim content,
  • Listener participation enhances the community vibe,
  • Unfiltered, empathetic, and absolutely hilarious.

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Summary: “Stay Sexy and Don’t Get Murdered”

This episode stands out for the juxtaposition of personal vulnerability and gruesome history, as Karen and Georgia revisit a milestone live show. Through soaring highs (first class, spontaneous shopping, fan adoration) and deep true crime dives (Ivan Milat and Edward Leonski), the dynamic duo make even the darkest tales feel lighter—or at least easier to bear—with humor, candor, and the joyful weirdness of the MFM community.

Closing note:
Karen: “It was a real journey for all of us. I believe in ghosts now. I didn’t believe in ghosts before. No guitar playing ghosts. We’re so scared right now.” (111:29)

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Stay sexy and don’t get murdered!

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

That's right, it's Wednesday, which means it's time for us to recap our old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights. And we are recording this one today from the studio at Baja Mar.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's a beachside podcast space at the Baha Mar Resort in Nassau, Bahamas.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We are literally in the freaking Bahamas right now.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We came here for work. It's the greatest thing that's ever happened to us.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is our job.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's amazing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, today we're going to recap episode 88, which we named Live at the Comedy Theater, from our live show in Melbourne, Australia.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, so we're talking about Australia. We're in the Bahamas.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We are women of the world.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And this episode came out on September 28, 2017. So now let's listen to the intro of episode 88.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hi.

What's up, melba? Hi. We put on hand lotion, like, right as we were walking out.

A little bit greasy for you.

I'm not wringing my hands because I'm nervous. It's because we've been waiting so long to see you.

Melvin, thank you so much for being here.

This is you all right?

No,

yeah, but we're really. Yeah, we're excited to be here. We bought a lot of stuff already today. You guys have cute things.

Yes. Some quality. Well, can we just start?

Yeah.

Can we start where I need to go? Yeah.

I didn't want to bring it up myself.

No, it was mine to bring up. It's mine to bring up. We were just. George and I were just sitting in the back in the dressing room, you know, in one of them light up mirrors like they have backstage at theaters like this. And we're just. We're just putting on pounds and pounds of makeup and.

Yep.

Talking about stuff and whatever.

And like, we do just slowly as

we're chatting, I. I just started to tilt a little bit to the right. And right as I was about to Turn to Georgia to say, hey, are you tilting to the right as I am? The chair I was sitting in folded underneath me. The legs of it broke and I fell all the way down to the ground. But I fell butt first with my hands toward Georgia.

Like, eye contact the whole way down.

Help me. And it was so slow and so sad.

And I have that problem of laughing when people felt have unfortunate events. But I know, like, oh, no, isn't this suck for you? Like, it's very thoughtful.

This was your way of, like, helping me. Georgia was like this. Your arm was barely extended.

No. A, I was laughing way harder than that. B, I think I just went to you and hugged you because I was like, this isn't gonna go well.

I kept thinking that I was gonna be able to recover. Cause so much time was passing. It was like fucking January, February, March.

You were just, this is going to end soon.

This is going to end. But instead it just kept, just kept

going, laying there, laughing. Don't even get me up a little bit.

Folded up. And then Vince had to come in and pick me up off the ground. It was that major.

And well, today, earlier.

Hold on, I'm not done. No, because I was going to share

a thing that happened to me. I know.

I just need to fully process mine though.

It's yours, it's yours. It's your moment.

I'm positive mine's worse. The waves of shame, honey, are still hitting me.

No shame, no.

So much.

It was like the chair had been broken before, clearly, and was now duct taped together. And that was like the story we're going with.

No, I swear, when you bend metal with your ass. Okay, what happened to you? Did you fall down?

No, I did something dumb though. In front of a lot of people. Well, it wasn't. Whatever. I was like, first day in Melbourne, I'm gonna go shopping. All kinds of vintage stuff. And I was like, I'm gonna go sit at a cafe by myself and have breakfast. And like, a pot. Yeah, I was wearing a scarf. So I got all dressed up and I put makeup on and I was like leaving the hotel with my headphones in and like all these like, dudes who park cars valet. And I was just like, da, da. It was very like Sex and the City. And then there was a step I didn'. And then when I, you know, like when I do anything, I make a lot of like, very like I can just step off a step and not know it's there. And I fucking tweaked my back a little and I did And I turned and looked at one of the guys just to be like. Can you believe? You know, just to be like, I'm okay. And he was just staring at me like he was disgusted at me.

We're gonna get him fired.

Yep.

Yeah.

So it's been a clumsy day. Yep.

And then just one more. Just hit me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no.

It's just gonna keep happening.

No.

Do, do, do. Until I eat Pringles in my hotel room tonight alone.

Do it.

I will. You guys, what an amazing trip. We're in Australia, for Christ's sake. I have to tell you, when they first suggested this idea that we come down and do this tour, both of us were like, oh, we can't do that.

Yeah.

We can't travel.

I get anxiety.

We can't go far away.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It seemed impossible.

Yeah. It seemed like a joke. Yeah.

We'll go.

Okay.

Sure. Tell them we'll be there. Totally. Mm. But then it actually worked out.

Yeah.

I think a big part of that was that somebody, and I'm not sure who it was, flew us first class.

Ooh. That'll do it.

Don't be jealous. I feel there's definitely some anger.

We'll go anywhere. If you fly us first class, we'll go straight to fucking hell.

We'll be like, first class. We'd love to go to hell and do a couple shows.

Yeah. Do they have a.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Do they have a menu?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I can take a look. Do they have a lounge that I can go to? The course.

All the people we talk about are there. It might actually be very dangerous for us to go there.

Yeah, that's true. But to make things fair and, like, to make myself not get a big head, I stole something from first class.

That's right. Georgia kept it super real in first class.

It was a little like, fuck the man. Yoink.

You know, punk rock Always.

Yes.

With us.

Yeah. But can I get another champagne, please?

Yes. And I need a better pillow.

So you got really excited because they served us food.

You know, I love that.

That's not the part. I got really excited because they served us food.

Everyone gets excited about food.

Then Karen turned around in her seat

[Georgia Hardstark]

and said to me, did you see

[Karen Kilgariff]

the salt and pepper shakers? Because they were a little pepper and a big salt in the shape of the Sydney Opera House.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah. It was, like, pretty adorable. I said, so then I had four wine with. Dinner

or breakfast? We're not sure. We don't know what time it was. We still don't.

They closed the shades. They Turned the lights down. There was like, you know, they put like fake twinkly lights up. So we're like, dinner, great. Wine.

Yeah, I believe it.

Dinner, dinner, wine. And then after dinner, I go backstage to get to go to the bathroom. And backstage.

You called it that twice. Is that because of the curtain?

Yeah, I know. These people are, like, bustling around, working. It reminds me of, like, you know, what you think life's really like, which is like this. Everything's fake. We're not really on a plane in the air. It's like it's stimulation in your brain. So we go backstage where the action happens.

That's where all the clockwork gets four hamsters in a thing making the plane go.

Exactly. Everyone's working and bustling around. And I'm waiting for the bathroom and the lavatory and, excuse me, the laboratory. Yeah, I'm first class now. And I'm like scrunched into a corner. And I look to my left and there's like a big tray full of salt and pepper shakers. And everyone suddenly is like, turning with their back to me. So again, four whines. And so I fucking into my scarf, took Karen and then I walked by Karen. Yeah. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Oh, no, the police.

And as I walked by Karen, I was like, giddy while I was like, even peeing. I was like, oh, she's gonna love this. I was so excited. I was like, I should save it for when we're like, in Brisbane for our first show. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I have to do it now. Sonia walked by to put. Threw them at her.

And I had already was trying to figure out how to look them up online to buy them. I was like, would that be in SkyMall or does Virgin have their own version? I'm like, all like this. Of course, there's no WI fi to check anything. So it's just all up here. And then Squirrely Scarfy walks by and goes like that and puts him in my hand. I almost started crying. I went. I tried to grab her face. I was like, oh, my God. But quietly, because everyone else is asleep.

Uh huh. Except for the baby that was screaming in first class. Wow.

First class baby. Rare. A rare bird. Screaming first class baby.

Screaming first class baby.

You can hear the other. The people who are used to being at first class who live there, and that's their normal life, they're just like, is the baby leaving before we take out? Where's the who's taking the baby away. Is there a night nurse or a wet nurse somewhere to take the noise making baby away?

Maybe a white wet night nurse.

A white newt nurse.

No, too many words that I just tried to say at once. What was the other thing? Oh, how about the shirt you got me?

Oh, just today, you mean? So then I went walking out in Melbourne. Do do, boo. I do have to admit we were in Auckland for 48 hours and I saw the inside of my hotel room and then the inside of the theater that I was in. I know it's not funny because it's like the most beautiful country on the planet.

Perhaps they don't want to hear that. No, it's here.

Oh, are they like. Is this like the Dodgers versus the Giants style? Total vicious.

Yeah. Or the. The coast versus the middle of our country.

Oh, right. Red state, blue state.

Uh huh.

Is this some intense political shit I just stumbled into? Anyway, it's so ugly. I stayed inside.

Wow.

Stephen cut it. Oh, Stephen's here.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

You want to see?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, Steven's here. Come on, Steven. Wave to the people. Yeah,

look at him.

Say hi. Oh, hi. Hi.

Yeah, hi.

Say hi. Hello. There we go.

Okay, wait. Now can we have that spotlight? Stephen's gonna sing a song really quick.

No Mike. Okay, bye.

Bye. Somebody that.

We're making him sleep in someone else's car while he's here. No, we're not. It's his own car.

You're late. That was the most hilar older sister move. We were like, come out here. Get away.

And I'm not even anyone's older sister, but I'm good at it.

Pretty fun, right? We have good training.

She got me a shirt. There's a store that you guys have, it's like the best called Dangerfield.

Dangerfield?

Yeah. It's so cute. I got like a. I had. I got a scarf that's like flower print. And then there's just flying squirrels, little ones all over it. And then one that's the same thing, but flying bats all over it. It's like the best.

So you come close to ground bats.

Shit, I meant, sorry. Bats and flying squirrels. Is that what it is?

No, you got it. You gotta get it.

Bats.

Bats.

And then you came back from the hotel?

Well, I was in the store, I went. She showed me all these things. I'm like, now I have to go. So I. Because at every point somebody either Georgia or I to be laying in their bed. So she took the first shift and went out into the world. And then I stayed there eating Bonbons. And then she came back. And then when I went out to Dangerfields and I was just like, I Wish I was 30 years younger so I could wear some of these wonderful pigeon prints or whatever the fuck is happening here. But I'm like, looking through. There's so many cute things, tiny things.

Also, like, what size is a small or a medium? What size is a medium here? I don't know.

It's all small.

And the tiny shop girl was like, well, I'm an eight. And I'm like, well, then I'm a fucking 40, because my God, you fucking bitch.

Oh. Anyhow, no, but I'm going through these shirts and everything I pull out has, like a different, wonderful. Like a koala with a gun or whatever. It's just like. Just great ideas everywhere at that store. Fun stuff.

Your mascot with a gun, what you love.

Flip, flip, flip. Pull out, and there's a shirt, and it has a gray cat sticking out of the pocket, wearing a babushka, looking mad. And I was just like. So I text, I took a picture. I sent it to George. I'm like, why didn't you buy this?

As if, like, I had been like, fuck you, and, like, put it back. Well, clearly I didn't see it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So then she came back, knocked on

my door, and I brought. I brought it to her. But Georgia, I don't know if you know this about her, but Georgia loves to be nude.

Oh, yeah, it's nude. Or house dress is my, like, preferred form of being. Yeah. Preferred state of being.

It's fun. My preferred state of being is slowly falling off of a chair I've broken for the rest of my life.

I do like to be nude. It sounds so, like, perverty, but it's not in a perverty way.

No, it's natural. Yeah.

So I answered the door naked. I like to use it as a joke, too.

She's like, what's up? It's just like, here's your shirt. I wish I didn't get you now.

It was basically like, put your clothes on.

Put this on with pants.

It's fun to be. It's fun to, like, people don't expect you just to be what? You know, naked is funny.

It was funny.

Thank you.

It was very funny. We know each other very well.

Yeah.

Here's what I was gonna say. So when we got here, when we were in Brisbane, the first day, one of. The first. So another part of. We're just gonna keep talking about first class.

That's how new it is. To us, like you guys would too. Whoever hasn't been in.

And perhaps you do, if you ever go to the fucking first class lounge, they have all the stuff sitting out. That's like the nicest stuff to eat.

Like before you even get on the plane, they're like, don't worry, you don't have to hang out with plebes. Go downstairs, get out in the airport,

don't eat Burger King, come up here. And so they have all these little jars.

It's Hungry Jacks.

Oh, Hungry Jacks. Hungry Jack. Wow, good stuff. So they had all these little jars of yogurt with muesli mixed in, which is very foreign. And we don't have really that in America. You have it, but it's like at Whole Foods and it's for hippies. Whatever.

She's talking about muesli, not yogurt. You guys have yogurt with granola?

Yeah.

You guys have yogurt with muesli and

dried fruit, goat's milk yogurt served by the goat who gave you the milk. It's so charming, dude. Fruit stewed fruits tied in a ribbon stuffed into your muesli. So I was like, this is my new lifestyle. I'm just gonna do muesli and yogurt for the rest of my life. And then we were joking around, we were like, oh, no. Because then somebody gave us Tim Tams and we were like, oh, shit, here's the dream. Because Tim Tams are clearly the perfect food, second only to muesli and yogurt. We were like, what if there was a Tim Tam murder? That would be so amazing. Either that's the weapon or it's, you

know, they fight over it.

Yeah, Two people as the last box or whatever. Well, I'm looking on the Internet, as we like to do. There has been a muesli murder.

What?

Did you hear about that?

She's springing this on me.

Yeah. Oh, you did not. I told you.

When?

Okay, listen to this. Can you give us a second? The fucking owner of Famous. You're gonna tell me. I swear to you. The owner of a famous muesli company, a 75 year old man, stabbed his business partner to death. You know about this?

There's a murmur very recently, a murmur from the muesli community.

They had to shut their. Their specific muesli company down. I think it's called the Muesli Company.

Wow.

Something like, that's so weird.

And then the murder I did in Brisbane.

Sorry.

The chick. The chick confessed because they gave her Tim Tams.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Remember?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

That might have not been correct, but I saw it in one article and I was like, I'm going with that.

Yeah. Who cares? It doesn't matter.

This, by the way, is my favorite murderer. Oh, yeah, clearly.

This is Georgia Hardstock. I'm Georgia Hardstark.

That's Karen Kilgariff.

I'm Karen.

Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Sweet. Is it sit down time?

It's sit down time.

I think that's it. We've done everything we can.

We've done everything we can.

I'm scared to sit down.

Do you want to switch chairs, just in case?

I mean, will it help?

They do. Look. Okay, just.

If I start to slide to the right, just you there. Just stick your hand up. Just do one of these, Karen, because I can't do it again. Take it again.

You just put a lot on that. That poor girl's not gonna enjoy the show now.

It was like this.

It was like that. I thought you were, like, aghast at something I said. I don't remember what I said.

It was almost like a Michael Jackson kind of like. But then I ended up on my ass.

I just wanna make it clear that I did not just laugh at you and not try to help. I came for you, to save you. I just happened to be laughing the whole time.

It was just so slow. Also. I just knew you couldn't help me at that point. I was beyond help. Here's the thing, and we all know this. Once you fall in public, like, you can start to fall and you'll be like. And if you catch yourself, you can just walk away. Maybe you have some hot cheeks, but that's all right. You hit the ground, it's over. You're fucking done. You're done for. You're the person that fell. If on top of that, you're the girl that broke two legs of a chair. Good night, nurse. How am I here right now? It doesn't make sense.

How we doing? Okay. How's your half eaten mint?

Yeah. I shouldn't have put that in right before we walked out on stage.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And we are back.

I have a really important question for you.

Yes?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do you still have that salt and pepper shakers that I stole?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Absolutely.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You do?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I brought them up to my dad's house because I was like, I will knock them off folks, like, counter and have the. Have them drop.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So they're in my dad's kitchen. I literally see them every time I go to my dad's house.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God.

Because he's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

For some weird reason. I can't remember if we talked about this when we were there. He loves Australia. My parents went to Australia for a big trip.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And he was gonna go again. And so I just. I brought them up and showed them to him. And then was like, what if we just put these right there? Because they're like sculptures.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know. They're like, it looks like the Opera House. I mean, in salt and pepper.

Like, so good.

They don't want those to get stolen. They shouldn't. Them look so fucking cool.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, that's kind of on. They must have stolen them all the time, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

All the time. And I bet they knew that I did. I probably wasn't, like, chill. I'd had four glasses of wine with dinner.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I will say this. When you handed them off to me, you. It was the kind of thing of, like, you were acting out the thing. I was like, just steal them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just steal them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, they'll know it was you. You have to act like the kind of person that's been in first class before.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Stop. Blah, blah, blah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then when you did it, you just. It was such a secret handoff. Hilarious.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Proud of it. Georgia from 2018, she did some great stuff. Then she had some great moments also.

[Georgia Hardstark]

One of your greatest moments is how the way you helped me and. Or didn't help me as my chair

[Karen Kilgariff]

fell apart in slow motion.

I remember that exact moment. You were so slowly collapsing.

It was the weirdest because you weren't

getting hurt, and I could tell. No, but it was so funny.

We didn't know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was almost like we didn't know

[Karen Kilgariff]

what was going on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But then it was like, once I

[Karen Kilgariff]

tipped past the point at the center

point that we can't, like, ignore it anymore.

It was just, like, really reaching. And your reach was a classic.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like when your sister's like, hand me that thing. And you're like, here.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like the chair was melting.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Slowly.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I didn't understand what was happening.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why would someone duct tape a chair leg back on and expect it? That doesn't. It's on them. That's not even your embarrassment.

But also, it became.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It might as well have been the

[Karen Kilgariff]

theme of the entire tour. It was just, like, the funniest, weirdest experience.

Steven was there. That's also the show where someone gave us. Us, like, they left us presents after the show. And I think someone accidentally gave us their makeup bag. Because they have, like, a. Like a murder makeup bag. Yeah. And I think they accidentally, like. Because I got their sunglasses out of it. Think I have a photo of myself in the sunglasses.

Yep.

Yeah. Free shit. What a free shit.

We love free shit.

Okay, now let's do your story, which is such a crazy story, and I had never heard this one before. I still can't believe that this is the first time I ever heard about this story.

[Georgia Hardstark]

One of the worst.

And that you did it live.

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And that it's a very special episode because it's got our very first introduction to Paul Onions.

[Georgia Hardstark]

To Mr. Paul Onions.

[Karen Kilgariff]

All right, let's get into Karen's story about Ivan Milotte and the Backpacker murders.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

so you're first, right?

It's me, right?

All right.

Okay, I'm gonna settle in guys. I decided to just go for it and pick one of the most famous serial killers in Australian Ha. Mystery Ivan Milat Wow.

God Damn it. We just put lotion on. Okay, I spit a little. Oh, is he here? Something like this is going to be embarrassing.

Titter, titter, titter, titter, titter, titter, titter, titter. I went to school with Ivan Milat's grandson. I worked with his nephew. My mom used to be in the office where this wife of the secretary turned out to be.

We want all those people to email us, by the way.

Yeah, that's right.

Making fun of us.

You had best that cheer. We always feel like we need to say for the people who are here for the first time with people who forced them to come.

The Asher Never.

Yeah. The people that work here. People have never listened to this podcast. We're not cheering for murder.

No, we're not.

I mean, it seems like we are, but I swear to God we're not. That's not what's happening.

Remember in Auckland when we were meeting people afterwards and these two girls came up and we hugged them, and then I looked at the girl's face and I'm like, this is the first time you've heard the podcast, huh? She's like, yeah. Like, I could tell by your face because you were not happy. Happy to see us. You were a little nervous, but your friend was like, hi. And you were like, hey, hey, hey. You guys are scary.

We're an acquired taste.

Yeah. Like, cool people.

Like. What's it called?

Marmite.

Yep.

Vegemite. Vegemite, Sorry, sorry. Vegemite, Sorry, sorry.

Some girls tend to. They gave us Vegemite and then they go, don't put it on like, Nutella.

Yeah, Because I think that's the mistake every. It's disgusting. And it's like, well, you ate a fucking spoonful of it. You're not supposed to like eating a spoonful of mayonnaise and being like, ew, it's gross. Like, well, you fucking did it wrong.

But I love the idea that, like, you put on everything like a Nutella. You're just like, we're all going through life like, I bet this is super delicious. Exactly like Nutella. No matter what. Even though. So it smells like fucking nickels. I mean, what's up, Australia? Okay. I would like to say that my sources for learning all about Ivan Milat and the backpacker murders are a British show called Crimes that Shook the World. Congratulations, you shook the world. A show called Crime Scene Investigation Australia, which is. Yeah, it's really good. Except for on YouTube, it's ripped and so it's backwards. It only takes up like a quarter of the bottom of the screen and the audio is sped up. So as I watched it, I began to go insane. So I took the hit for you on that one. Oh, wow. And then also a website just called

news.comau Karen, your computer is on fire right now. Back at the hotel, it's all just

Russian people in my computer. Whoa, look at this.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She's weird.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wow. She likes violence. So in the late 80s and early 90s, Georgia, I don't know if you

know this, let me know it.

This was really my time when I. When I was really at my prime. I hardly broke any chairs and I was doing all kinds of drugs and drinks. Well, people who weren't total losers like me were backpacking all through Australia. It became such a huge thing because you could come to Australia cheaply and then you could on a shoestring budget. You could backpack all throughout the gorgeous country. You could go to the gorgeous world famous beaches. And actually they started building youth hostels so that people could do this. And it turned into a billion dollar industry of backpacking around Australia. In this time, that all changed. Oh, no. Yeah. On September 19, 1992, two joggers who were running on a trail in Bellangelo State Forest.

Never run on a trail.

Oh, Belanglo. Oh, I added an e in there. Sorry. Belangelo. I'm homesick. Belangalo State Forest. So they're. Imagine this. They're jogging on a trail and they smell something so strongly that they know it could only be a dead body. So they go off the trail up about 10 meters. I don't know how far that is in America.

Listen, we were busy shopping all day. We didn't have time to do conversations.

I've been shopping and falling.

Me too.

So in the brush, buried under some sticks and leaves, they find the body of Carolyn Clark. The police are called, they set up a search area. And the next day, in doing one of those walking searches, where it's like 30 police officers arm to arm, they find the body of Joanne Walters. She's found about, oh, 30 yards away. Okay, I'm gonna go metric and American all throughout this.

Throw them in there.

What's up, Yards? Okay. So these two women had been missing for five months. They were both young British students who had come separately to Australia. They both had always dreamed of coming here and backpacking here. They both loved travel, met at one of these youth hostels, and they had decided that they were gonna spend the summer picking fruit to make money and then, like, finance their backpacking around Australia. So in April, after they had kind of done all that, they had decided to hitchhike. Hitchhike back to Melbourne. And that was the last time anyone saw them alive. The police determined that Carolyn had a sweater tied around her head. She'd been raped and shot in the head ten times.

Holy shit.

Joanne had been rap, and she had been stabbed 14 times. What? Both of the women were bound, and they had found Winchester cartridge cases near the bodies. So, yeah, it's real quiet. Okay. But other than what I just named, there was almost no evidence that they could find. And so, essentially, the case went cold. And so a man who lived nearby and who knew that forest really well, his name was Bruce Pryor. And he had kept checking the newspaper to see if any other stories would come up about these two bodies that had been found there. And he didn't see any. And so he decided since he knew the forest so well, he was just gonna start going out and looking to see if there was anything else to be found. So for the next nine months.

Holy shit.

He searched around a thousand meters of forest, and then one day, he spots a human skull. It's upside down in the dark. He picks it up. He didn't know it was the 90s. He brings it to the police. And so he had good intentions. He meant well.

At least he didn't use it as an ashtray. Yeah, that's true for a couple months.

Or he didn't go, like, I was right, and throw it back down.

Shows that this will show them.

Okay. So basically, the police were like, holy fuck. And they come out and they set up a perimeter and they start searching the area, and then a second body is found. Well, that would. This is actually a fourth body is found 22 meters away from where that skull had been in the ground. So these are the remains of James Gibson and Deborah Everest. They were two students who grew up in Melbourne. They decided that they were going to hitchhike together to a music festival in Albury. And they had both been missing for four. Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

James.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Bones had been marked with multiple stab wounds. Deborah had been bound. She was savagely beaten. She had a lot of broken bones in her face, and she had been stabbed. Their bodies were 600 meters from where Carolyn and Joanne had been found. So now the police set up a task force of 300 police officers, and they start combing the entire forest. So. So relatively soon after that, they find the remains of German tourist Simone Schmidtl. She disappeared while she was hiking from Sydney to Melbourne on January 20, 1991. And they determined that she, based on the marks. And this is how it happened with a lot of these remains because there was so little of them left that they just had to count the stab wounds on the bones. So they knew she had been stabbed minimum eight times. After her body was found, the police made an official statement that they had a serial killer on their hands. And that statement, of course, makes international news because Simone Schmidtle was German. The first two women were British. It just goes everywhere that now hitchhikers are going missing and then bodies are being discovered. Well, up in Birmingham, England, a man with my favorite name in the world, Paul Onions.

Oh my God. Come on, dude, dude, go find him.

I need how to make him mine. Paul, you don't know me and I certainly don't know you.

Karen Onions.

Mrs. Paul Onions.

Wow.

So Paul Onions, right, he gets the paper and he sees the story and he fucking freaks out. Because four years earlier he had a very interesting experience very near the Belangolo National Forest. Belangalo.

It's really scary in this podcast saying whenever you say a place, you get this like scared feeling. Cause you just are waiting for a scream at you. Imagine that.

That's why we have started our new program. Spell it like you say it.

Yep. Fuck yeah.

We just. It would help. Help us so much if people would just fucking start spelling things phonetically and stop being assholes. Okay, so here's the thing. There's a hotline number in the article that he's reading. So he calls up and he's like, hey, I'd like to give an official statement. Cause here's what's happened to me. Four years ago, he's hitchhiking. He was hitchhiking. He was in Liverpool, but in Australia. And he's trying to hitchhike a thousand kilometers back to Melbourne. And he meets. He's like trying all day. He finally meets a guy named Bill who's super nice and cool. And Bill's like, oh, hey, are you trying to hitchhike? Where are you going? And Paul Onions is like, I'm trying to get to Melbourne. And he's like, so am I. Jump in my big old truck.

Listen, Onions, we call them Onions. He was like, hey, Bloomin Onion, get in. We're back in the car.

And that's how the Outback Steakhouse was born.

Sorry about that, by the way. So sorry. We don't go there.

No. Okay, so they're in this truck. This story is so fucked up, do you know that?

I don't know it at all. And I'm so Curious.

You don't know this at all. They're in Bill's truck.

Okay.

And they're driving for a while. And then Bill's like, oh, hey, I can't do it. I want to do it so bad and I can't do it.

By tomorrow night, we'll have learned.

Yeah, I had to watch more tv. I tried to make a joke about how people here say the word snicks instead of snacks. And I tweeted it. And then all these people are like, that's a Kiwi accent. And I was like, well, here's an American accent. Go fuck yourself. Seriously, I can't take. Sounds like snicks to me also. So it's just fun if someone goes, would you like any snicks? Yes, I would like 1,000 snicks.

I mean, I'd want them even if they were snacks, but now I want them for sure.

I want them more because they're snicks. Yeah. Okay.

SNCC snack.

Let's focus. Yeah, Guys, there's so many pages left. Okay, here's the thing. They're sitting in the truck. He's like, we're about to. There's gonna be no more radio signal. So I'm gonna pull over here and I'm gonna go in the back and get some T tapes. Because it's the late 80s, early 90s. And Paul onions is like, that's cool, man. Because he's so chill.

He's so chill.

And so he goes to open his door to stretch his legs, and Bill suddenly gets real rude and is like, stay where you are. Put your seatbelt on. And Paul Onions is like, hey, man, I just wanted to stretch my legs. And he's like, stay there. So then he shuts the door and he's sitting there and he looks down. There's a whole bunch of tapes right there in the console in between. And he's like, uh, oh, this isn't good.

Maybe he just wanted a Thousand Maniacs in the back or whatever.

10,000.

Thank you. Well, back then, they were only a thousand.

That's when you liked them. They were only a thousand.

Oh, no, that's scary. Okay.

Yes. So he's like that just when I was watching whatever one of those backwards fucked up shows were that I was watching, that idea that you'd be sitting there. I'd be like, okay. That thing where the first thing a person does. That's weird. But you're like, oh, okay, I guess I'm still going to sit here because I don't want to Be rude to the super weirdo who's yelling at me

out of the blue for doing a super normal thing like opening a car door.

Opening a car door is a bad sign. And then it's like, all right, well, Bill's pretty cool. I. And just, like the stomach drop right as all that's happening, the driver's side door flies open. Bill comes in and goes, you know what this is? And he's holding a gun.

Just your two fingers. No, it's a gun.

It's. Yeah, it's a pretend gun. No, it was a real gun. He's holding a real gun. On my blessed and beloved Paul Onions.

What a stupid thing to say, too. Do you know what this is? Yeah. Like, just say, I have a gun. Like, yes. What if he was just like, no.

Yeah, I don't recognize that. I have a strange brain disease. Right? I have to recognize things.

I'm a pastor and I don't recognize your weapons.

Those don't exist to me.

Yeah, I don't see weapons. Yeah. And then he fixes his beautiful hair.

He has really long hair.

He's just gorgeous.

Kind of blonde hair.

Onion hair.

Yeah.

What a dick. He's turning into an asshole.

Okay. But the ironic part is Paul Onions does not have body odor. And that's why I love him the most.

God, he got teased so much for that. You know it. Okay.

No, he smells like delicious flowers.

Do we have a picture of Onions?

Of Paul Onions? No, I only had a picture of the reenactor.

Oh.

And that's not the man I want.

He's too beautiful for eyes.

He's too beautiful to have his picture taken. So. Right. Bill's like, do you know what this is? Paul's like, I sure fucking do know what that is. And jumps out of the truck, girl. Bill starts shooting at him as he. He runs up the highway away from the truck. And luckily, a driver pulls over and lets beautiful Paul Onions into his car and drives away.

Thank fucking God.

Thank God. Thank God. So this all was a phone call on the hotline. It took him two hours to tell that story.

I forgot that part.

So. So that statement is taken. He hangs up and doesn't hear back. Because when they set this hotline up, what they didn't realize is that in the first 24 hours of this hotline, they got 1,000 pieces of evidence. People were calling in all over the place with all kinds of stories, and the police were completely inundated and were not prepared to process that much information. So meanwhile, while they're trying to set up hotlines and get the word out and do all of that. They're still searching the Belangolo National Forest.

You're mad at them for that name.

Now we're in a fight. It'll be fine by the time this is over. But this is the drama of the story. Okay? So as they are searching, they find the remains of German students Anya Haapschnied and Gaboje Nockebauer. They. They had left for a winter holiday. They'd gone to Bali in 1991. And they had decided that, like, in around December, she had finished up her school, they'd gone, she was on winter break. They decided to go to Bali. And then when they were done with their time in Bali, they were like, let's hop on over to Australia and go to Bondi Beach. So they spent Christmas on Bondi.

It's Bondi now.

Okay, what is it? Bandy?

Bondi. Bondi.

It's Snicks.

Can we.

Snick's Beach. Okay. Sncc's Beach.

Got it.

The world famous SNCC snack Beach. They're due home in January of 1992. They never make it home. So when they process the bodies, they find that Gaboya had been shot in the. The head six times. Anya had been decapitated and her head was not found. But the Police did find 47 cartridge cases at the scene. And they were able to match those cartridge cases to the ones found near Carolyn Clark's body. So now seven bodies have been found in the Bulangalo National Forest. So the police get a forensic psychiatrist to make a profile of this killer.

Love this shit.

And based on the location, based on the violence, based on the weapons, based on everything, he basically says this killer would have grown up or worked in the area of this forest. He would have had past criminal behavior. He would have shot guns with his family. He would have a big family that would have insulated him and separated him from the rest of society. And he would have had major control issues and been a real macho type. And as they're talking about all of that, the police are like, we know a guy like that and we know family like that. Oh, fuck. It's Ivan Milot.

Well, they, like, they were just like, oh, we know this dude.

Yeah. So they had been a kind of a. Kind of a family that was well known in the area. Maybe we say it like that. They were. They had made a name for themselves where they live. So Ivan Milat was a road worker. He spent most of the 60s in jail. He loved guns. He had a four wheel drive truck. He had 13 brothers and sisters.

Holy shit.

When they interviewed his neighbors, they said that he was friendly, outgoing. He was always washing his truck or tending to his garden. And

like as this some guy in the audience or some chicks, I do the same thing. And I'm not a murderer.

I heard somebody just go,

murderer immediately,

you know, fucking murderer. Loves to garden. We know your type. So all of his neighbors are like, we really like him. He's friendly. But they go to interview his ex wife and she's like, yeah, yeah. You wanna talk about Ivan Milat? Well, he was married to a woman named Karen Duck, who he married when she was a teenager. Karen Doug. She described Iva Milat as a brutal, controlling husband who was gun crazy.

Aren't you bummed that you laughed at her now?

Yeah. She says that he often took her to a pine plantation, to the Blangolo National Forest, and to the Jenolan Castle, which are, I guess, a tourist attraction. Thank you so much. Mom. My mom's here, everybody.

What?

That sounded like an American accent. Typical. So they start then, with all of these things kind of lining up. They start looking into Ivan's early police record. And they find that he was convicted of an eerily similar case in 1971. In April, Good Friday, 1971, he picked up two hitchhikers near Liverpool train station. He pulled a knife on them, bound them, gagged them, told them if they screamed, he would kill them. He took them into the forest and raped them both and put them back into the car. And one of them convinces him to pull over so they can get a drink at a gas station. And he lets them.

Them.

And she gets out of the car. They both get out of the car and go into the gas station and get in there like, you fucking guys help us. And everybody gets them. And then they go after. They go after him. He got away, but eventually he was arrested. He was facing. Don't clap yet. He was facing two counts of rape and robbery. And what he does was he faked his own death. What by. Yes. He left his shoes at a renowned Sydney suic suicide spot called the Gap, which I used to work at. The Gap?

You worked at a suicide spot?

It's not that bad.

Oh, sorry I stepped on your.

No, no, it's okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think it worked.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think you built it.

Okay.

So anyway, he escapes to the place we all hate so much, much New Zealand. But he returns in 1974 because his mother had a heart attack and she was Hospitalized. And so they rearrest him then? Yeah, they had arrested him the first time. But then he of course faked it. His own death at the Gap. He bought. He bought a sweater, Faked his death.

Yeah. Left him, left his shoes in the changing room. Yeah, like oh shit.

They were just like, oh no. I guess he's gone forever. Go back to folding these sweaters. Have I ever told you my sweater folding story?

I don't think so.

This one is a little bit classic and it's worth me stopping this horrible tale. I used to work at the Gap for real in San Francisco. It was my first real job. And it was also when I was really also working very hard at being a. Just a dedicated alcoholic. And so the day after Halloween where my friend and I went dressed up as two people who worked at the Lancome counter.

What? Is that what we're dressed as right now?

Yes, exactly. We just went out in our black clothes and my friend got two Lancome name tags for us. That's cool. It was pretty rad. And then we just got beyond shit faced. The next day was a fold down day. If you've ever worked retail or worked at the Gap, you know the fold downs. You have to go into work like four hours early and literally refold the entire store. Every single item in the store is refolded with a board. So it all looks perfect.

Just to break your soul.

Just to. Cause they're like, hey, we're paying you $6 an hour, why don't you earn it?

Yeah. Oh God.

Yeah. So we went in, we woke up, we were supposed to be there at 7 in the morning. We woke up at 8:15 to the call of our manager being like, you fucking assholes, get down here. But luckily one block away. And so we like in our Lancome outfits, we walk down at the Gap, we go in, we start folding. I have the back wall. And I'll never forget. Cause every time I see these sweaters like at a thrift store, I'm like, here it is. It's one of these sweaters. It's a gap sweater from 1991. I'm folding down this wall of sweaters and so hungover, like just still a little drunk.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's funny.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cause she doesn't drink anymore.

That's right. So you can just. I've never killed anyone with or gone to jail. So let's celebrate my alcoholism. I fold down a line of this whole wall of sweaters. I get to the bottom of the first row and then I just lay down and fall asleep on the ground.

That is amazing.

And my manager, Colleen, came up, and she's like, go home.

Oh, my Colleen.

Colleen. She ate it and abetted my alcoholism. All right,

[Georgia Hardstark]

where are we?

[Karen Kilgariff]

He never. He's rearrested. But he is acquitted of both the rape and robbery charges because there was not enough evidence.

I'm sorry.

So I know. How about this Evidence?

Hi, I'm Evidence. My name's Evidence one and Evidence two.

So the police go to speak to the rest of the Milott family, and they interview his brother Alex and his brother Alex's wife. And they talk to them for over an hour. It's just. They're not getting much. The police get up to leave, and Alex's wife goes, oh, hold on. And she goes and gets a backpack and hands it to them and goes, he gave us this as a gift.

Could you have lead with that, honey?

I guess there were some issues. She was having some problems. The police take. Take it and find out that the backpack that she gave them, that Ivan gave to them, belonged to Simone Schmidtl, the German backpacker. So then simultaneously, or at least that's how it seemed on these shows that I was watching, they go through. They're going through all the statements that they had gotten in the first month of the hotline, and they find beautiful Paul Onion statement.

Oh, my God.

From all the way up in Birmingham. And so they call him back and they find out that his story is real. They actually have the Birmingham police interview him to make sure that he's not some nutcase. They end up flying him down to Australia. And Paul Onions identifies Ivan Milat in a lineup. And so the police can now arrest Ivan Milat for the attack of Paul onions. So on May 22, 1994, at 6am, the police surrounded Milat's home. It's really funny. In the reenactment, they called him on the phone and were like, hey, can you come outside for a second? And then he did. And then he was down on his perfectly manicured lawn.

Wow.

Face first.

Because he likes gardening.

That's right. He likes things just so. When the police enter his home, they immediately start finding trophies from all of these murders. There's all this camping equipment. There are all kinds of personal belongings just everywhere. The police are identifying them as. They look around the house, and they also find rifles, ammunition, hunting knives, and a sword. And then hidden inside a wall in a plastic bag, they find pieces of a Ruger.22 rifle. And when the ballistics expert reassembles those pieces Test fires it. It matches the bullets used to kill Carolyn Clark. So Ivan Millett is charged with the murders of all seven victims. And on July 27, 1996, following a 15 week trial, the jury returned after three days and found him guilty on all charges. He was sentenced to six years imprisonment for the attack on the most beautiful man in the world, Paul Onions. And seven consecutive life sentences for each of the murders of the backpackers.

Yay.

When asked if he had any comments, he protested his innocence. He said he didn't do anything for sure. But his younger brother Richard told the police that there were, quote, heaps more bodies out there to be found. And there are. There are 11 other unsolved missing persons cases that are extremely similar to the backpacker murders, going all the way back to February of 1971.

Holy shit.

So I'm just gonna go through these real quick. Karen Rowland was driving behind her sister. They were driving up to a hotel in Canberra when. Shut up.

No, I'm kidding.

What is it?

She's asking her friend who's.

Canberra Cambra. Canberra. Okay, really quick. Just a suggestion. How about you spell it? C, A, N, B, R, A. Okay. I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you at all. Okay. This is so creepy. The two sisters take two separate cars. Why? It's not as fun. They must have had work or something. It makes me so mad when I read that. I was like, what? They're driving. Her sister loses sight of Karen in the rear view mirror. Her car just isn't there anymore. She continues on to the hotel. And then when she gets there, Karen isn't there. And she. She thinks maybe she went back home. She doesn't understand what happened. So they search. They find the car with an empty gas tank on the side of the road.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Oh, she ran out of gas.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, and she ran out of gas. And then 15 meters off of the trail in the Fairburn Pine Plantation, they find her body. She was lying on her back, legs straight out, her arms encircling her head. Clothing pulled down indicating sexual assault. A beer bottle was found nearby. So In June of 1972, Robin Hoyneville Bartram and Anita Cunningham, 19 and 20, respectively. They were student nurses, they were roommates, and they were going to spend the summer hitchhiking around Northern Queensland. They set off from Melbourne on their way to Bowen.

It really is scary.

They were never seen again. In November, Robyn's body is found under a bridge in Sensible Creek. She was shot in the head with a.22. Anita's body was never found a wound. A woman told police that she and her mother had chatted with those girls at a hotel that July. And the girls told her they had gotten a ride with a man named Cowboy Steven. Do you have that one picture of Ivan Milat?

Oh no. Oh no.

It's actually very in fashion now what he's wearing. Okay. Friday, October 5, 1972. Gabrielle Janke and Michelle Riley decide to hitchhike from Brisbane to check out a party on the Gold Coast. A week later, Gabrielle's body is found at the bottom of a steep embankment on the side of Pacific highway at Ormio. Ten days later at 6pm on October 23, Michelle's body is found 12 meters from the road in the bushland off of the Mount Tambourine Highway. They both had massive head injuries from fractured skulls and both of their clothes were pulled up and branches had been covering their bodies. On October 30, 1978, 20 year old Leanne Goodall was dropped off by her brother Warren at the Musselwellbrook train station. Warren thought she was taking the train back to Sydney, but in fact she decided to go to Swansea. Swansea near Newcastle to see her parents. She got off the train in Broadmeadow in central Newcastle. Someone spotted her at 3:30 that afternoon at the Star Hotel. She was never seen alive again. Her remains were never found. Robin Hickey Four months after Leanne Goodall's disappearance, 18 year old Robin Hickey leaves her family home in Swansea to meet friends at the Belmont Hotel south of Newcastle. She's never seen again. Amanda Robinson is a 14 year old girl who vanishes on her way home to Swansea from a school dance. Ivan Milat was named as a person of interest in all three of those disappearance cases because he was working a road crew at the time. But there was not enough evidence to arrest him. And then there's, I mean look at this. There's three more pages of people who had the exact, it's the exact same MO he's, it's always 15 meters off of a trail back in the bush.

Same area generally like the same age.

It's, they, he, it's girls that he meets at hotels. There's always a witness but in the

same like general area kind of too.

Yeah, it's, it's along the Gold coast right.

They're not sure either. You guys fucking flunked that coast too.

But it's basically this eastern coastal side and all up because basically this I did look up on Google maps it takes like 7 hours and 37 minutes or something to drive from Melbourne to the Belangolo National Forest. And so that. Thanks. So that's like the. That's basically the. That he was working in. And he was a road worker. He also delivered tires, truck tires. So he was always. He was always on the road and he was always leaving work and coming back and, like, having people cover for him and stuff.

Jesus.

Now, really quick. Sorry. I mean, those are just like. There's six more people who have the exact same MO in their death. There's 58 total of missing people.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my gosh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Who.

There's pieces of their murder details or their murder that can be related to Ivan Lapp, but because he will not admit to anything and never has, they can't get him on anything or prove anything. And their families have no satisfaction. They just don't get to know. So he's in jail, right? And he decides to cut off. He's 73 now. He's still in jail. He's in his supermax. He's going to be there for the rest of his life. In 2009, he cuts off his little finger with a plastic knife.

Ow.

And the people in the jail decide they're not going to reattach it.

I mean, he doesn't need it.

I don't. I interpreted. I'm sure there was, like a medical reason and a whole decision, but in. In my mind, I was just like. They're like, no, you did that to yourself. He had previously injured himself by swallowing razor blades, staples and other metal objects. He went on a hunger strike because he wanted a PlayStation.

Oh, no.

That was in 2011. And now in 2012, his great nephew Matthew Milotte, and his friend Cohen Klein, who were 19 when they were sentenced, they were arrested for murdering David

on

his 17th birthday with an axe in the Bulangalo State National Forest. And he. Matthew, killed him. And his friend taped it on the phone, recorded it on the phone. That's how they got caught.

Oh, my God.

They were sentenced. Matthew was sentenced to 43 years in prison. And Cohen was sentenced to 32 years in prison. And now I'm seeing this thing, too. On May 15, his older brother Boris told Dr. Steve Apern that Milat was responsible for another shooting in 1962. He shot a cab driver in the back because he wanted to rob him, and he ended up paralyzing him. And that's a. They were just doing a special about that on TV recently. And that, my friends, is the story of Ivan Milat, the backpacker murder.

That is. Sorry that's so long, Raincy.

Ah. Ah.

That's what he looked like while he was cutting his pinky off.

He's like, come on, I want a PlayStation. I'm only the worst fucking person in the world.

Oh, my God. How did I not know that one? Yeah.

It's so nuts.

I mean, you just can't help it. I don't want to police shame. But like, why didn't this my Bye. Oh, I didn't know they fell.

I'm not sure why. I didn't even get. Give you a look. I didn't even. I didn't even give you an old. I'm going to pick up my glasses.

She was like, she's police shaming again. I'm giving up.

I'm sick of it. This is a walkout.

It's just the thing of, like, why didn't they figure. Oh, put it together?

But they were. The bodies weren't even found. Nobody knew it was just missing and no details whatsoever.

Yeah. Plus there's the whole thing of, you know, the old school, like. Like mindset of like, well, if we start saying all these backpackers are missing, the tourist trade's gonna fucking die. You know?

Exactly.

So maybe it's that these new cops came in and we're like, yeah, but we can't let people disappear.

Well, I think the second they started finding bodies that that was all over that they shut it down.

Yeah, hopefully.

Yeah, well, no, that's what happened.

Yeah, but, yeah, hopefully. Yeah, it's literally what happened.

I just fucking told you. I watched three specials about it. I'm an expert.

That was such an in your face. Mint put in your mouth. I've never seen anyone.

The final word. Mint.

Oh, no, she put the mint in her mouth. Can't tell you the mint in. Okay, we are back from a very heavy story. Do you have updates?

I do, actually.

[Georgia Hardstark]

In 2019, Ivan Milott died in prison. He was 74. And it was five months after he was diagnosed with terminal esophageal and stomach cancer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wow. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

His nephew, Alastair Shipsee, maintains that Ivan Molot was framed for these murders and that his uncle's arrest happened so Sydney would have a clear run to securing the 2000 Olympics.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can you describe my face right now?

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're pensive. A lot of doubt, a lot of

[Karen Kilgariff]

skepticism, some Botox so you can't see it.

So not the full expression exactly, but

[Georgia Hardstark]

what an amazing forehead you have.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you.

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, we will say this. He spent 10 years, this nephew, researching the murders, and he published a book, Secrets of Balanglo, claiming this is the only true story of Ivan Milott. But also, as we started this episode when we were talking about it, it's like this is one of those true crime stories that's so awful. Like I remember so many details totally telling this story.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, like to get past those details and think that yeah, it was a setup doesn't seem not super likely.

[Georgia Hardstark]

At the same time, in 2021, a four part docu series called Ivan Milott Backpacker Murderer was released and that explored the idea that Milott could have had 20 additional victims.

Wow. I want to watch that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye. All right every everyone you guys have so when we went to Auckland we were just like well we have two murders to choose from so I guess I'll take this one and you take that one.

Yeah. You know, not here.

No.

Not the case whatsoever.

You guys, there's a reason we're gonna be here for three nights in a row. Not because people want to see us, but because we just couldn't pick one.

The government's making us tell all the murders.

Yeah, yeah, we're doing it. So social service. You're welcome.

Yep.

All right, well, this one, this is the story of the only American man ever executed on Australian soil. It's the blackout strangler.

Oh,

right, right, right, right, right, right, right. That's the correct. All right. Height of World War II while Melbourne was sending soldiers overseas to fight. They're like heroes and shit. And there's a brown out in order. So a brown out just means that, like, there's a reduced availability of electrical power. So like in. At night, street lamps and car lights, they're all like lowered so the Japanese. The Japanese fighters can't bomb the shit out of you guys. They're like, I don't see anything. Let's get out of here. Instead of being like, look at all those beautiful lights of Melbourne. Which is like a thing, you know.

Yeah, they're known for their lights.

They're known for their lights. Like they call you guys the City of Lights.

Oh, I've heard of that.

Yeah. Okay. So also, a lot of employers were letting young women leave in daylight so they could get home safely before dark. Because, you know, dark. But. So a lot of US soldiers were stationed in Melbourne after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. So all these makeshift camps for American soldiers were popping up and. Excuse me, I forgot my tissue. I shouldn't have told you guys that.

Here.

Really realize that now. Just.

Thank you.

I don't know what to do with that.

Wipe your nose with that bottle cap.

Scrape my nose across it.

Just dip it in and release.

Okay. They're housed in military establishments called Camp Pell. Today it's known as Royal Park. May 3, 1942.

You get ones like rail. Royal Park.

Royal Park. Oh, sorry, I just audienced you.

Essentially, Royal.

May 3, 1942. 40 year old Ivy Violet McLeod was waiting for her tram. Can you see? I copied and pasted this from Australia articles. Waiting for her tram on Victoria Avenue in Albert park around 2am when she's attacked. You wooed it and she's attacked. You gotta do it right away if you're gonna do it. Okay. Her body was found by a hotel cleaner who was hosing down the footpath outside a hotel. He saw an American soldier get up from a stooping position in a nearby shop doorway. He was gonna run after him, but decided to try to help the woman. But it was. Ivy was dead. She was partially naked, badly beaten and strangled. Her purse was still in the area, so it was obvious that robbery wasn't the motive. And witnesses said that they had seen her in the company of a US soldier late the previous night. We have a photo of her. And while that's up, I'm gonna subtly wipe my nose on my dress.

Oh, how nice.

Oh, my God, you're an angel. There's tissues happening at me.

Oh, no, she has a knife.

What if she didn't give these to me? What if she just took the tissues

and she was just like, you should buy some of these.

Thank you so much. This has happened before.

Security. That's every shirt that was at Dangerfields today.

It's so true.

That's the first thing I think of. And I'm just like, Karen, for real.

So that's Ivy McLeod. So she is cast killed.

Sorry.

Sorry, honey.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She looks like my grandma.

[Karen Kilgariff]

A week later. Let me bum you guys out more. A week later, 31 year old Pauline Thompson. She's a stenographer, she's married to a policeman. She's a mother of two. She strikes up a conversation with American soldier at a restaurant. They go to a bar after dinner to talk, and they spend several hours talking and drinking. The next morning, she's found lying on the steps of her Spring street home. Her clothes are in tatters and. Okay, so let's. There's a photo of her. This is Pauline Thompson. Okay, ready for this creepy thing? In a Victorian first, police created a photograph. Police created a mannequin dressed in her clothes and put a photograph over her face, hoping that a witness would come forward. Stephen, put that nightmare up.

What? That's what that is?

Yep. Look at her hands. It's mannequin hands.

Holy fuck.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's what we're in it for, right?

That's like crazy awful. Yeah, yeah. Creepy, creepy hands. Look at the hands.

Did it. Did I ever tell you the story about when I was little and I was at the store with my dad and he's like, just don't touch anything.

Yeah, right.

Which I could never do. I was like five.

No, you're. You're a child.

Child. And he would always take me to like hardware stores and stuff that didn't have candy or toys or anything good. And I remember he went to get something and I just walked up. There was a mannequin wearing like a Like a mechanic's jumpsuit coveralls.

Yeah.

And I was just. I just went like. Just like my finger et style touched the mannequin's hand and the whole arm came off of my hand. And then I was just alone, holding a mannequin arm, like, shhh. Shit. Do I shove it back up or like. And my dad came around the corner. He's like, jesus Christ,

Karen. You shouldn't be allowed in retail shops anymore. You're real proud of yourself. And then you laid on the floor and fell asleep.

That's right. I was so drunk. The drunkest five year old ever.

Okay, so they did that horribleness.

Yes. I don't want to turn back around.

Poor mannequin.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Good night, everyone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Have sweet dreams tonight.

Wait, did it work, though?

No, but, you know, people were like, well, we saw her with an American soldier the night before, so. But I don't know if any of it came directly from that. It just gave a lot of people nice nightmares. So shortly after this, an American soldier admits to another soldier that he had killed two women. This dude's name is Edward Joseph Flanowski. Yeah. And he's 24 years old. He's a former New York grocery store clerk. He had broad shoulders and strong hands. And they had said, by the looks of the way the guy had strangled women, that he had large hands. That was like, one of the things that they said about him. He was well liked by most who knew him. Although other American soldiers reported that he liked to drink heavily and that when he did, he became particularly aggressive, especially towards women. A file described him as the soldier from hell, and he earned that notation after he attempted to strangle a young woman in San Antonio, Texas. He was caught, charged with assault, but never prosecuted. Instead, the US army was like, send him to Melbourne. Sorry, guys. Sorry about that. So he arrived on February 2, 1942, and that first murder happened on May 3 of that year. Wow. Yeah. So, okay, so he told his bro that I killed two women. His bro was like, turn yourself in. Say your claim insanity. Edward's like, nope. And the soldier's like, okay. And like, didn't turn him in. So again, apologies, Melvin.

He's like, well, I gave you the one suggestion I have.

Yeah, that's all I got for it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know what else could be done.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I guess I'll see you in the mess tent.

Yeah. All right. So the final victim. Oh, let me show you a photo of this dude. Edward. Hey, I'm gonna murder you.

That's him.

Yeah. They said that. So he was a total alcoholic. And a lot of people like he was super fun and a lot of people like he attacked. But the ones who said it was super fun, one of the things they said he would do is like get super drunk and then get up on the bar and walk across the bar in his hands like you hearman style, but on your hands.

Look at that crazy son of a bitch.

Yeah.

His forehead is so low.

It's tiny.

It's too small.

It's a small forehead.

I mean, as someone with a three head, I would like to say his is a one and a half head.

That's true.

It barely is there. Or is it just that dumb hair?

It looks like both. Okay, I'm gonna go both. Mama.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Mom.

[Karen Kilgariff]

His final victim, 40 year old Gladys Hosking. On May 18th, while walking home from work in the chemistry lab at the University of Melbourne, which is like, what a badass she is, caught in, in the rain. An American soldier offered to shelter her under an umbrella he was carrying. It's our old friend Edward. Yeah. He attacks her, he strangles her. And she's found inside the Royal park boundary not far from camp Pell, just 350 meters from her boarding house. In just over two weeks from May 3 to May 18, 1942, three women had been killed by him. So the murderer becomes known as the Brownout strangler because it's during a brownout and he strangles people. I didn't need to explain that part. Steven, cut that out.

It was actually symbolic of something else. But you wouldn't understand.

They called us soldiers brownouts. That's what they called.

Because they were total bummers.

Yeah,

I know how fucking brown out that guy was.

Oh, I just licked the microphone on X. Amen.

Does anyone have any hydrochloric acid or something?

Drink it. An Australian soldier. Oh God, that was disgusting. An Australian soldier told police. So Australia. Okay, so Gladys gets killed. Australian soldier tells police he saw a US officer slipping under the Royal park fence on the night of the murder. He shines a. He shines a torch. That's not what we call flashlights. So clearly I copied and pasted that in the guy's face. It was all muddied. He asked him why he's covered head to foot in yellow mud. He's covered head to foot in yellow mud, which is like, what's that area? No, it's mud and it's just yellow.

I don't know.

Cause it's wartime. I don't know.

Because there's A brown out. And so there's not enough brown to go into the mud. What the hell?

That's gotta be it. Yellow mud. I don't know. I didn't look that part up.

Okay.

I didn't even look out what meters means. So clearly I was shopping all day. Okay. So the dude says to him, I fell over in a pool of mud going across the park. That's like his excuse. And it's like, okay, go ahead. They were good with it, Right. The description of this soldier, though, matches the individual Pauline Thompson was seen with the night of her murder, as well as the description given by several women who had also survived recent attacks. So I guess he'd been fucking attacking women all over town.

People had been surviving.

Yeah. So after days at camp, hell, they're going from fucking soldier to soldier being like, are you a murderer? Are you a murderer? Like, interviewing people? I guess. I don't know. I'd have made that up. They could actually.

No, I bet that's how they did it.

Could have been police investigate. I think we have a photo of Gladys, actually. Did I already. Yeah. There she is. Aw, right? Look at that outfit. That's not my. Aw. But okay, okay. So they're fucking soldier to soldier. You, you, you, you, you. Police investors get to Edward Lenoski's tent, and the yellow clay matching the crime scene is found on his tent, his shoes, and his bed. So he's just flailing himself all over the fucking place, apparently. It's so yellow. I hate yellow. Okay, then. Okay, so he's arrested, charged with the murders behind bars, he confesses to fucking everything. He tells investigators that he is a doctor Jekyll and Mr. And his motives for the killings was a fascination with female voices, especially when they were singing.

What?

Yeah, creepy.

So all those women had been singing?

Well, he says. He claims that he killed women to get at their voices. Quote.

Oh, no, I know, kind of like a Little Mermaid thing.

Yeah, he was a fucking original sea witch.

He just.

Sea witch.

He. Yeah, he wanted to. He wanted to. That guy's fucking stupid.

Yeah, crazy too.

Yeah.

Yeah. So he said about his second victim, Pauline Thompson. He said, she was singing in my ear.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It sounded as if she was singing for me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She had a nice voice. I grabbed her. I don't understand know why she stopped singing.

Well, because you grabbed her. Fucking idiot.

Then the investigator was like, goodbye. I'm gonna go to. What's that? I'm go to the Gap. See you guys later. Can you imagine hearing that? Someone saying that to you? Okay, According To a psychologist who interviewed Edward during his trial. He grew up in an abusive alcoholic family, and one of his brothers had been committed to. To a mental institution for life. His mother had been overprotective and controlling. And I bet she sang a lot.

I bet.

You know what I mean? I didn't say that, but it's like, well, clearly. Yeah, that's. That's my. What's this profile of this murderer?

You've profiled it.

His mom saying a lot.

Yeah. But she was like just the most horrible sound of all time.

So essentially I could show you right now. And that sounded like by just singing.

She'd put him into bed and she'd be like, all right,

Sweet dreams.

I love you.

And here in the corner is a mannequin with my face taped on it. Night, night, Edward.

Night, night, Edward.

I'm gonna go be an alcoholic. Which is also of what she was. And she was overprotective, controlling.

I like the ideal. As you're shutting your child's bedroom door. Good night. I'm gonna go be an alcoholic. You stay in here. Okay.

And stare at my mannequin face. Woo. That's a hard childhood right there.

Yeah.

She had also been in a mental institution, but she also favored Edward more than his other fucking crazy brothers. So he got bullied by neighborhood kids and called a mama's boy. According to the psychologist. He said. And, you know, 50s, 40s and 50s psychologists were like. Well. And they were like, what? That doesn't make sense.

Oedipus complex.

No. Symbolic matricide. And I was like, that sounds familiar. Our friend Ed Gein.

Oh, yeah.

Where you kill people because they're like, it's my mom. And he was like, it's actually a woman. You don't fucking know.

They just want to kill their mom over and over again.

Exactly, exactly. So. Because it. Because of the resentment and hatred of

his mother, singing bad singing is really irritating.

This is why I don't. Well, I do sing sometimes, and it's. Yeah, okay. During the trial, evidence was presented that indicated that Edward had possible duel personalities. I just love the word duel.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Duel.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Duel personalities. The court heard that. So when the next got drunk, his voice changes. He talks more like a girl. Says stuff about. This is a quote. I wouldn't. He talks stuff about poltergeists, werewolves, demons, creepy stuff. Talks himself.

Cool stuff.

Yeah. He talks about the kind of stuff they have on the clothes at the. What's the song?

Dangerfields.

At Danger Fields. That would have been good if I could have remembered that. Talks to himself a lot other times it was like he was talking to someone else. Maybe he was talking to someone else.

Yeah, he could have been talking to someone else.

Although Edward Lasky's crimes were committed on Australian soil, the trial was conducted under American military law.

Yeah. That's Mark Harmon style.

Yeah.

Ncis, baby.

Yeah. I said yeah. I don't know who that was. I've never watched that show in my life.

They have.

I want true crime. He confesses to the. The crimes convicted and sentenced to death at a United States army general court martial in July of 1942. But it's here in Australia. He's executed at Pentridge Prison. Wow. You guys. You guys stay there sometimes.

You love it. Is it the best prison?

Yeah.

Oh, you can live in a prison. Breakfast.

You can get breakfast there tomorrow.

You know, normally heckling makes me really mad.

Yeah, me too.

Thing anyone's ever eaten.

You can live there and you can get breakfast there. You can get breakfast theatre. She'll have the muesli, I'll have the beans on toast with a fried egg.

Georgia loves a nice breakfast bean. Oh, you guys have really brought her over to the baked bean breakfast.

Thank you so much for that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What's congee?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't answer now. It's on every menu for breakfast. But it's like congee with. And I'm like, what could this. And then it's like with shrimp or soup. Oh, is it?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Or grass.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know. Just random stuff where I'm like, I can't put together what this breakfast item might be. It's not French toast. I know that.

If it ain't muesli. She don't want to bug you. Something it. Okay. The precise details of his execution were.

Wait.

Sorry.

We had to eat breakfast at that prison now, obviously.

Will you guys meet us there tomorrow? Yeah, we'll be there. They share. Time is over. Yeah. That poor girl. Is she crying? The one I just yelled at? I'm sorry. I can't do it. I can't do it.

That's a real mind fuck. Because we supported yours and we attacked you for yours.

I'm sorry. And now I feel so bad.

No, never, never look back.

Da da da. He. So for some reason the details are a secret of how he got killed. But the hangman had a fucking journal which is like. Give me that to read tonight, please. Immediately.

Yes.

And it says that he was hanged. Right, Sorry.

Why in the hangman's journal, if they publish it like a book, do you think the inside flap of the Picture of the author you'd have is. You know what I mean?

What?

You know, the hangman has to wear that thing on his face that you just don't know who he is.

Guess what?

What? What's this?

It's the hangman's journal. Are you kidding?

No.

Put your glasses on.

Hold on, everybody.

I wasn't being an. I'm serious. I didn't mean it like that.

No, no. She.

She can't see anything.

I can't see winds.

And I were at the airport, and, like, you came, and I was like, hey. And I was like, oh, wait, she can't see anything. I. I knew that you had to wait but here, before you could see me.

It's really funny because oftentimes I'll be walking toward people and I'll watch. I know that thing is like a big wave. I'll see a movement like this. And then I'll see the mouth get smaller and smaller where it looks like I'm just icing someone as I'm walking, where it's like. They're like, hey, Karen, I'm just, like, walking.

And then she goes, oh, yeah.

Then I'm this close. I'm like, oh, my God. Hi.

How are you? And they're already sad.

Sorry. This is like the hangman's dream. Like a fucking scrapbook. That looks like a picture of a pelvis.

It does. You can go read that somewhere around this town. Okay. Yeah. Probably at this prison we're having brunch at tomorrow. Let's turn into brunch, and I'll have a momo.

So. But he gave all the details of all the hangings.

I think it was like a diary, so. Okay. So they think that he was hanged, but legend. I just burped. Sorry. Legend also has it that the locals were permitted to provide the rope in gallows. Isn't that cool?

What?

Like, the people were so fucking pissed off about this guy murdering their people that they were like, here's the rope and here's the gallows. Hang that motherfucker.

Oh, they, like, built the gallows and were just like. They're basically like, look, we'll take care of everything. You just get your hangman up here.

Yeah. Tell him to bring his diary, because this one's gonna be good.

Write this down.

Yeah.

We built the gallows.

So that's the story of Edward Lenoski, the Brownout Strangler.

Wow. Thanks.

Thank you. It's all you.

That was good.

You did it.

Well, we did it.

We did it.

That was. That was that was an American special that we brought over to you.

You kill them, we'll grill them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, we're back. Are there updates for this case?

There are no case updates, unfortunately. But every once in a while, we

[Karen Kilgariff]

call up a person from the audience

[Georgia Hardstark]

and get a really great hometown.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And this is a good example of that. Yeah. So if you're thinking of coming up to do a hometown in the future,

[Georgia Hardstark]

if we ever do live shows again,

please compare yourself to the hometown greats that we've experienced in the past. This one is. This is Rebecca.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's hear her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Her hometown

[Karen Kilgariff]

is it.

Town.

It's time for hometown murder.

It's time for a town hometown murder. Let's see.

Is there a way we could get a little bit of light?

Yeah. Yeah.

See if there's anyone that has a story they'd like to do.

You want to do it?

Do you want to do it? Come on. Yeah.

Karen picks. All right. Come over where Steven is. I think that way, probably. Oh, he's right there.

Hi. Hi.

Hi.

Don't trip. Don't fall down.

Hello. Hello. Oh, look. Stockings are cute. Look. Look at her skirt. Hi. It's a dress.

Are they falling all the way down?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Careful you don't wear stay up stockings.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's okay. Guys, Wait. Look it.

This is.

No, you guys have the cutest. What are you doing?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Stay in the forest.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't get hurt.

Sam, stay out of the forest.

Is this from Dangerfield? This is so cute.

We're acting like the one store we've been to is the only store in Melbourne. Is this from the one place we've been to?

Yes. I heard you guys don't have any others. Hi.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

What's your name?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm Rebecca.

Hi, Rebecca.

Where are you from? Everyone will cheer for you.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The Yarra Valley.

All right. I knew it. Yes. I knew it. Yes. Yeah. What's your hometown?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Okay, so I have a few, but I'll just do one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

If it's really good, you can do more. Yeah.

Or if it's really bad. Yeah, go ahead.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

I won't use exact names because I still live next door to my mum. So weird how you can't see anyone out there. That's so creepy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know, right?

It's better just look up into the lights.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Days off. So basically my mum and dad moved to Coldstream. I don't know if you know Coldstream.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Of course we know Coldstream.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

They know it along the Maroondah Highway. So basically, high traffic area. And they start building this house. And there's an Old little barn out the back, a little bit creepy. And basically where they're gonna build the house. There's a big tree out the front, big cherry blossom, massive cherry blossom. My dad's like, I really think I need to cut this down.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Well, where the house was gonna be so they could keep the old barn.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, right.

Okay.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So the neighbour comes over and he's this big, massive guy, big beard. My dad's like a skinny, kind of Crocodile Dundee.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, we know him.

We know him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We have big knife. He can chop the tree down with this big knife. Yeah.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So you imagine this other guy that's massive, and my dad's kind of skinny. Won't go. Control problem. Anyway, so this guy tells him, don't cut down the tree. No matter what you do, do not cut down this tree.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Chill, dude. That's super chill.

Yeah.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

And so Dad's like, watch me. The next day, comes in with a backhoe, but the tree's been cut down and there's a big hole right around the tree. Oh, no, this is really sus. Dad's like, what the hell's going on? So. So anyway, pulls up the tree, talks to the guy next door. Doesn't know anything, apparently, as you do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So we build the house over the top where this tree was straight away. Which ends up being my bedroom, mind you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no, no.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

There ends up being horrific hauntings, so.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No. Yes. So this is like.

Sit down.

Sit. What happened? Everything.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So it starts off with my brother, so he's first in the room. So there's 10 years between my brother and I.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So my brother Adam wakes up, there's these horrible horrific noises in the room. Basically, this ghost likes musical instruments. Don't know if you'll believe in ghosts, but anyway, sure, it doesn't matter.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Doesn't matter.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

My relatives to learn the guitar. So you learn the recorder at primary school, basically. Then you go up to the guitar. So by grade six, he's like, mastered this guitar every night, family wakes up to the guitar strumming.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh. Oh, no, no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So 10 years on, I'm just born, basically. And my dad liked the ukulele, so he would come in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You guys need to just not have string instruments in your fucking house anymore.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So basically what keeps happening is these horrible things keep happening in our things. Like you'd be in the shower and shampoo bottles would come down on you,

[Karen Kilgariff]

like one after the other.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like creepy as fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like petrifying shit, right? Oh, my God.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Anyway, so eventually these things keep happening, and I'm about 4 or 5, and I say to my mum, I feel like there's something wrong with the neighbours. There's something really strange.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm gonna cry.

But she said it. And she was in a nightgown and her hair was wet and her eyes.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

I don't know what's wrong.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Something's wrong, Mommy.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So basically the next day we're all sitting down for dinner. And I actually sent you in this email as well about it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And we read it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We loved it.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Yeah, totally loved it. So basically the next day we're all sitting down for dinner. Police come raiding through our house. They come through our house. They're both like, if you have somewhere safe to put the kids, put the kids. So my brothers are older, we all went in the bathroom, stayed there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What the fuck?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Dad gets out his knife. Literally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's not a knife.

This is a knife.

Yeah.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

It's like. You call that a knife?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

And basically the police raid goes through our house to the next door neighbours. They go through the back paddocks, we call them paddocks. And then through the front of the house. Yay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yep.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

And basically a body is found in their backyard.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What, this is bearded guy's backyard?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Big.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Yeah, yeah. The freaky guy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

Yeah.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

And there's other bones that are found on the premises as well. They believe they were buried. There was tree roots through it. Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know, right?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

It's like, then.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Then a couple years pass, so the father's been put away at this point. His daughter is about 19, 20, and a body is found. A Coldstream tip. She's almost decapitated. She's been injected with battery acid. Yep, Battery acid in a sleeping bag, bound up with a phone cord. And we used to actually have phone cords. Yeah, yeah. Her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Horrific.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

They can't move the body because this. The daughter, which they didn't know at the time, her name's Karen. She has a thing where she always comes back to the body and every single time they've missed her. So they've moved the body and missed that chance of her coming back and trying to bury it or get rid of evidence. So they're like, we've got to leave the body. So they ring the toy and the mother and they're like, we can't move the body. I'm so sorry. So it gets quite emotional. The whole town is like this girl. Like, we don't know the body's being found. We don't know anything about it. It's all told secret.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Haven't they heard of a mannequin with a fucking picture taped on its face?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

We don't know where she was. Anyway, so basically, Karen comes back with dynamite to blow up the body.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Holy shit. And this is really quick.

You're not a compulsive liar.

I just want to check. I don't care.

It doesn't matter.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

But this is like later on she does again with dynamite. She has a thing with dynamite.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, what?

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So this girl had been. It was a drug deal gone wrong. Karen was a drug dealer and she had a daughter.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But wait, this is the daughter? Neighbor.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So Ian was a really bad guy that hid the body underneath where our house was and then had a body in the backyard. And then Karen's the daughter who's in a. Almost. She's about 19, 20 by now. So basically, drug deals gone wrong. She was living in Lilydale. She moved back in with her dad after this girl was killed. Now she gets the dynamite, comes back to blow up this body.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Please shut. It's not a solution.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So when she comes back, basically the cops jump. So she's done for. She's arrested. Her boyfriend was waiting in the car. Now when she does her statement. So basically she rats out her boyfriend. She got less time because she was making sandwiches in the kitchen while they were torturing this girl for 48 hours. Oh, it's repulsive. Like, that is just. Yeah, so she got less time because of that. So disgusting. Yeah, so, yeah, I know, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is happening next door while you're growing up.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Well, no. So this is. So the daughter, she was mostly living at Lilydale. She's doing all these drug deals and stuff like that. Whereas Ian had moved out. So just his wife was still there. Okay, okay, okay. So basically, Karen then gets out of jail. A few years later, her boyfriend's still in jail. She gets dynamite to blow out her boyfriend out of jail.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Karen.

Karen. There's other things in the world.

Stop.

Jesus Christ. Her mom's like, would you do the dishes? She's like, yeah, I've got the perfect solution.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Dynamite. Just where she does.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So she ends up going back into jail. Obviously, he does more time. Fast forward about. I think it was about three or four years ago. She ends up moving back in next door to my mum. But it's okay. She's a born again Christian, so.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right, guys? Amen. Amen.

Forgiven.

So good. Yeah.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Jesus forgives.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Like, all that shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The debt cleared.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

The thing that, like, really.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Jesus does love dynamite, though.

So loves it.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

So in the end. Yeah. My mom still lives next door of them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my. Do you guys have them over for Christmas any?

Yeah. Like, what's Fourth of July? Like, just really tense.

They don't have that here. Sorry, sorry.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Yeah, that's the story of the jewels.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was our last day, so. Oh, my God.

That was amazing.

Rebecca.

You guys.

[Rebecca (Audience Member)]

Rebecca.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Rebecca. Good job.

That was amazing.

Wow. Top that.

I mean.

Oh, no, don't fall, Spotter. She's dizzy. So are we.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, so this episode was originally titled Live at the Comedy Theater.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think we can do better than that. For sure. Okay. If we were naming it today based on the episode, maybe we would call it Marmite.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We could also name it Paul Onions.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, we must.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He really became a legend. And also one of the first Nick Terry videos featured on Paul Onions.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's got an onion head.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, that's right. And also me screaming, leave Paul Onions alone. Because I think that's when we started to realize enough people listen to us. Can you imagine if people are talk. Trying to talk to him or, like, involve him in this podcast? Like, so we just started screaming, leave Paul Onions alone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Paula.

Holes is fine. He's a public figure. He belongs to all of us.

But he enjoys it.

Right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's just pick Paul Onions now.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, because he deserves it.

He does. After everything he's been through, we've put him through. All right, well, thanks, you guys, for

[Georgia Hardstark]

listening to another episode of Rewind. From here in the Bahamas, we're going

[Karen Kilgariff]

to go back to Melbourne to say goodbye. Wow, you guys, that was very powerful. That was super. A lot.

It was a real journey for all of us.

I believe in ghosts now. I believe I didn't believe in ghosts before.

No guitar playing ghosts. We're so scared right now. I'm so scared each other.

It's also freezing up here, you guys.

This has been such an amazing show.

Thank you so much.

What a kickoff for this run tonight. Thank you so much.

This has been. We're so excited to be in Australia. You guys are so fucking nice. It's amazing. We're so happy to be here.

We're so happy to be here. And of course, we just want to you to stay sexy and don't get nervous.

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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