Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 92: The Halloween Special

Summary

My Favorite Murder: Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 92: The Halloween Special

Date: April 15, 2026
Hosts: Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark, Steven Ray Morris
Theme: Revisiting the beloved Halloween special (Episode 92), the trio shares updates, reflections, and lively commentary on the original spooky listener stories, while tackling topics like friendship, cats on Prozac, the ethics of true crime storytelling, and, of course, the Loch Ness Monster.

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Episode Overview

This “Rewind” episode returns to one of My Favorite Murder’s most playful listener specials: the original Halloween-themed Episode 92. Karen, Georgia, and Steven dig back into the episode that featured chilling, funny, and heartfelt ghost and true crime stories submitted by their community. Alongside newfound updates and personal reflections, the group explores how their perspective on true crime and podcasting has evolved—blending their iconic humor with empathy and sincerity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Warm-Up Banter and Podcast Milestones

• Recapping the special: The hosts joke about their “amazingly creative” title ("The Halloween Special") and how the show’s premise always lends itself to the spooky and creepy, but this time leans even more into ghost stories.
• Personal touches:
  • Karen tries to step up her fashion game: “This is my one of two blouses.” (02:43)
  • Georgia’s cat Mimi is put on Prozac, further cementing her LA credentials:

    “My cat and I are on pharmaceutical for depression and anxiety.” — Georgia (03:07)

  • They reminisce about how their partnership began two Halloweens ago, blending wry humor with affection.

Show Origins & Friendship

• Reflect on the podcast’s growing years (even as a “baby” in podcast time, two years in is “a million years in podcast years” – 05:48).
• Reveal the show’s true “inception”—a spontaneous decision fueled by their chemistry and a willingness to “just do a podcast” if it felt easy and fun (10:09).

True Crime & Pop Culture Sidebar: Mindhunter

• Both hosts discuss their relationship to the Netflix show “Mindhunter,” highlighting the casting of Ed Kemper and the nuances of forensic psychology in pop culture (06:10–09:45).
• Karen is a Mindhunter super-fan, Georgia is slightly skeptical about some character drama.

“The guy who played Ed Kemper needs all the awards.” — Georgia (07:13) “How did you cast this role?...I bet you they found this guy in, like, the Canadian outback.” — Karen (07:31)

Halloween, Cats, and Mental Health

• Georgia updates on Mimi the cat’s temperament:

  “We’ve just gotten comfortable with her anger…Mimi’s biggest problem…is that she’s supposed to be an only cat.” (12:19)

• Karen and Georgia riff on how spite and grouchiness can actually fuel longevity—“bitterness and spite actually are great engines and really move you along really nicely.” — Steven (12:53)

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Listener Stories & Classic MFM Digressions

[16:25] Ghosts, Monsters, and Skepticism: Standout Listener Tales

Story 1: The Ghostly Aunt in the Red Robe

Summary: A woman and her 2-year-old niece both spot a deceased great-aunt in her signature red robe; chilling, mysterious, and deeply memorable.

• Both hosts believe ghost stories involving children are especially unsettling:

  “Baby. A baby watching a ghost is the scare. Is that you’re seeing too. That’s your proof.” — Georgia (21:16)

• They digress into a debate on the Loch Ness Monster—Karen a believer, Georgia firmly skeptical, both teasing each other for punk rock attitudes (18:33–21:14).

Story 2: The Big Hairy Man

Summary: Multiple unrelated people across years in a Canadian town share identical childhood memories of a “big hairy man with red eyes” haunting their bedrooms.

• This launches a discussion on the primal nature of hidden fears and the universal courage (and adrenaline) required in kidhood (26:57–28:15).
• Hosts also riff on “Clan of the Cave Bear” as the “original caveman smut.” (30:11–31:07)

Story 3: The Haunted Wedding Dress

Summary: A family experiences unsettling phenomena after mom wears a dead woman’s attic wedding dress.

• “Isn’t that the scariest idea in the world? Dying alone? Happy Halloween.” — Karen (34:15)
• The dog’s refusal to go upstairs is, for Karen, “the creepiest part.”

Story 4: Exploding Shower Glass – Ghost Uncle Gets His Way

Summary: On the day of his funeral, a disliked shower door explodes, fulfilling the deceased’s wishes (“That sarcastic, hilarious dude got his way from beyond the grave.” — Georgia, 38:27)

Story 5: A Sappy Ghost Story — Grandpa’s Juicy Fruit Gum

Summary: In the aftermath of loss and depression, a listener senses her deceased grandpa and dog comforting her at college with familiar smells and phantom touches, turning grief into closure. (43:23–45:36)

Story 6: Stabbed by a Ghost at a Bed & Breakfast

Summary: A skeptic is “stabbed” by a knife hidden in an oven mitt while working night shift alone—a practical joke or poltergeist? Upon apologizing to the ghost, the incidents stop. (58:16–61:21)

Story 7: Giggling Ghosts and Basement Footsteps

Summary: In a New Jersey house with tragic connections, a young girl’s first night alone is upended by disembodied footsteps, giggles, and banging—inspiring a lifetime of “man in the crawlspace” jokes (63:23–67:20).

“The house is just screaming and you’re just freaking out.” — Georgia (65:02)

Story 8: Grandpa the Protective Ghost

Summary: After a childhood of mysterious experiences, a listener concludes her grandpa is haunting her—scaring off disliked boyfriends by scratching photos and causing minor disturbances. (70:06–73:12)

Story 9: Haunted Cafe & Real-World Scares

Summary: A new LA transplant takes a job at a haunted Silver Lake cafe (revealed to be the Lyric Hyperion). Encounters include invisible audiences, moving objects, and a truly frightening late-night encounter with a man outside. The story ends with the lesson: never close up alone again. (73:19–82:21)

• Karen: “That idea that you have to race the guy to the back door, dude, is…”
• Georgia: “Salt and pepper shaker thing is the scariest thing to me. That's nuts…”

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Reflections on Podcasting & Ethics in True Crime

[47:14] The Weight of Storytelling: A Listener’s Harrowing Account

• The episode pauses to revisit a story once told thirdhand on the podcast. The original survivor writes in to set the record straight about her violent assault while working as a forensic autopsy tech, expressing the distress of hearing her trauma retold by strangers (47:14–54:57).
• Karen and Georgia discuss the gravity of responsible storytelling, apologizing for prior insensitivity and announcing a $10,000 donation to RAINN [Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network] (55:46).

  “It was really, I remember emailing with this person and they were incredibly fair….what they asked to do, which is essentially replace the incorrect one with the correct one, which is their own story.” — Steven (57:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “When a ghost cuts, you move. Leave.” — Georgia (61:41)
• “There’s a lot of writing taking place. You guys really, you laid it all out for us. So thank you so much.” — Karen (84:43)
• “Send in your hometowns. If you have spooky, scary stuff like that, we want to hear it. Okay. I feel like not even just spooky scary, but like, thrilling, weird. …Near misses. Come on.” — Georgia (82:49)

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Timestamps for Significant Segments

• Podcast nostalgia & Mindhunter chat: 05:07–09:45
• First ghost story & Loch Ness Monster debate: 16:25–21:14
• Big Hairy Man & primal fear/digressions: 24:09–31:07
• Grandpa’s Juicy Fruit ghost (emotional moment): 43:23–45:36
• Listener’s direct experience of survivor trauma & hosts’ ethical reckoning: 47:14–56:05
• Haunted Cafe Silver Lake Lyric story (culminating scary tale): 73:19–82:21
• Closing reflections, calls for more listener stories: 82:49–84:43

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Tone & Language Highlights

• Conversational, supportive, playful, peppered with in-jokes and Southern California references.
• Encouraging a culture of community storytelling and addressing the audience as friends.
• Willingness to pivot to vulnerability, self-reflection, and apologies where necessary.

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Brief Conclusion

This Halloween Rewind underscores what sets My Favorite Murder apart: a deep care for the listener community, a willingness to poke fun at themselves, and an openness to both joy and sorrow. From silly debates about the Loch Ness Monster to moving apologies for past missteps, Karen, Georgia, and Steven continue to balance humor, empathy, and sharp observational wit—while always inviting spooky stories (and lessons) from their ever-growing network of Murderinos.

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Stay sexy—and don’t get murdered.

Transcript

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Steven Ray Morris]

Hello, hello and welcome to To Rewind

[Georgia Hardstark]

with Karen and Georgia.

[Steven Ray Morris]

That's right, it's Wednesday. And that means it's time for us to recap our old episodes with all new commentary, updates and insights.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Today we're Gonna recap episode 92, which we named the Halloween special. That's so creative of us.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why, but why, you ask? Well, you'll see.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Let's listen to the intro of episode 90.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hi.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, hi, Georgia. Hi. So nice to see you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Nice to see you, Karen. Love your green top.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you. This is my one of two blouses.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's color. I like the color.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just decided to go with some color.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's bright, it shocks people, it brings things out of you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It brings. About four minutes ago, I had fake eyelashes on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And yet then the rest of me is dressed like I've been in bed for four days. It's a great combination.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, I have something to tell you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I mean, it's not a Big deal. But as of today, Mimi is on Prozac. What? My cat? Yeah. Am I the most Los Angeles person you've ever met in your fucking life? My cat and I are on pharmaceutical for depression and anxiety.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wait, why is Mimi on Pros? Like, she's so chill.

[Georgia Hardstark]

She's a grumpy bitch, and she's unhappy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Listen, where did you get the pros?

[Georgia Hardstark]

At my therapist.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're not.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, we took her to the vet, and I was like, look, she's just hiding in a box of my favorite murder merch all day.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, people love that. We should make them pay extra for.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. For Mimi fur. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So I'd be so pissed if I ordered some. A new shirt and be like, I have all my own animal hair. I don't need this.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So, as you can tell, this is the spooky episode of my favorite murder.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We start out with the creepiest thing of all. A cat on Prozac.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Everyone who's not from Los Angeles is like, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's hilarious. Oh, yeah. So this is our special Halloween episode.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where because our normal show is not scary at all or creepy or a huge bummer. So we figured we'd go a little ghosty for you on this one, and we asked you guys to write us your personal real. We begged you to make them true.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. And we. We. We. We read for truth. Authenticity. Is that what it's. We read for authenticity to make sure you guys weren't lying liars who lied.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right. And Steven. Steven, a lot of people don't know this, but in his mustache, there is a lie detector. So he will sniff that shit out. The second literally sniff it out flicks that email open, he'll be like, no way.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Steven's mustache keeping my mustache is tingling.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's lies in this email since 1985.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know when he was born. I'm guessing it's 1985.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I bet it was in the late 80s.

[Georgia Hardstark]

87.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. I wasn't specific. I can't. I'm pretending to be that I won that somehow, and I didn't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You did. And I just try too hard sometimes by guessing. You're bombed out. I'm gonna go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't. Hey, take a Prozac real quick. Take one. Take one of Mimi's Prozacs. We're fine. Last night, George and I had dinner.

[Producer/Editor]

Steven, this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You'll think this is funn. And one of the people at dinner was like, how long have you been doing this podcast. I was like, almost a year. George is like, almost two years. I was like, what? That blew my mind.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know. Mine too. I think I asked you as a question. I wasn't like, two years, Karen. No, it was like, almost two years.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wait, it must be two years.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That can't be right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, man. Crazy. It's gone so fast. It's been so fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's a million years in podcast years, I think.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, two years for real.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You know what I mean? Like, this is the infancy of podcasting, and so that means two years is a long time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So this is a dog year situation. Is that what you're saying? Got it. So this is like her 17th year. Coming up on.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes. Do you know what we need to talk about?

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Georgia Hardstark]

The thing that I. And everyone wants to talk about. This Mindhunter. Did I say it right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that's how you pronounce it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's how you pronounce it. Great. So let's talk about it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So you're a.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, I'm not an. I am on, like, episode five, and I must. I'm a sometimes, Okay? I don't. I don't. I'm a sometimes. I don't wanna talk shit on it because I fucking like it. It's really cool and exciting. But the. And I. But it's. But I'm a sometimes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, there's so much buildup, and I'm sure I had a lot to do with that because there's no way I wasn't gonna love this series. I just. I permanently loved it before I ever laid my eyes on it.

[Producer/Editor]

And there were.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It did, of course, because all pilots start slow and are difficult. But I loved it. And I love his directing and I love whoever Art directs for David Fincher.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's, like, things like that I love. It's just like scene by scene that it's the interpersonal relationships of certain characters that I don't give a shit about. I love when they're actually interacting, interviewing the criminals. Then there's other. Like, the guy who played Ed Kemper needs all the awards.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In my mind, I start going, like, how did you cast this role? Because you have to get a guy that's like, we need people that they have to be over six' six. Like, they have to be really giant. But they also then have to be great actors. How many? It's not like, you know, LA is full of those people. So I'm like, this guy. I bet you they found this guy in, like, the Canadian Outback.

[Georgia Hardstark]

He's probably Really? A serial killer. That's his jail he's actually in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, they were like this. He's just good. We have to hire him.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Listen, I know it's weird, but worse

[Karen Kilgariff]

things happen in Hollywood.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wait, like what?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Every day. Oh, you've read the articles. But I. Yes, Ed Kemper. Like, for me, I was like, I'm in whatever is happening here and whatever

[Producer/Editor]

they're trying to develop.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because I could feel that thing of their.

[Steven Ray Morris]

It was.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's, you know, a period piece. Basically. It's like starts in the late 70s, all that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Those old cars, man, I was thinking the same thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

When they would kind of come around a corner and there would just be streets lined with old cars and all different, you know, they looked so real. I just. I don't know, I go way into the detail. But then I also love that actor. So the lead actor I love, he's like a. I mean, he's from a million things, but he's also like a Broadway star. He's a little sweet baby angel and beautiful and. Yeah. And kind of had the perfect.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's not how you picture an FBI. Like some hard nosed cigarette smoke. So.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Reminds me of Dennis from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia so much that I keep thinking it's a joke.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That it's gonna be like a sketch. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That like he actually is a horrible person. Yeah. I don't know. Yes, it's very. It's jarring to me. I mean, I'm gonna keep watching. Of course.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Keep watching. I binged it.

[Producer/Editor]

When.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think it was when we were going. We were leaving for the Anaheim leg of the tour. I like to call our weekends legs of tours because that's how, you know, rock stars talk about it. But I bit. My friend Molly was like, oh, it's on right now because they put it up at midnight on Netflix. And I was like, what? So I started watching it at 1am the night before we left for that weekend. Because I was like. And I got. I think I got through the first five and then, you know, we had to leave. And then I came back at the end, which was so satisfying.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, Halloween is when we started hanging out two years ago.

[Producer/Editor]

That's.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Holy shit, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Nice one. Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Halloween two years ago is when the podcast was born. It was in utero.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's when we planted the seed.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's when we did it with our personalities.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. That's when we actually boned. And then, you know, you don't get pregnant for like two or three Days. Right. So it could take a while.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And that's when you were like, the inception moment was Georgia texting.

[Producer/Editor]

I can't remember.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or calling me and then being like, let's just do a pod. Let's just do it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's just do a podcast.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And I was like, well, okay, if you make it really easy for me, then I will. And you're like, I will.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's have a baby together. We'll name a podcast. We'll love her and caretake her. What are you gonna be for Halloween this year?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, me? I'm gonna be on my couch. What? I am every year on my couch.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I actually. Our friend has a party that everybody goes to. That's a ridiculous, humongous.

[Producer/Editor]

Our friend Scotty.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And he said I promised him that if we were in town on the day he has it, that I will go. I always say I will remember the year that I was supposed to go. I dropped my phone in the pool. And then I couldn't tell you that

[Georgia Hardstark]

I wasn't going, but it was so boozy. I think you would have lost your mind anyways. Yeah, it's just like grown up alcohol, like grown up drunk kid party, but fun.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So, I mean, just kind of legendary. But also, I think I should do the thing of the old people going early. Who cares about this topic? For real. But I also.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's go early. I'll go early with you because I want to go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's go early. And then also because the parking is so crazy in that neighborhood.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Look how old we are.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, and these kids are so loud and they take marijuana.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, they're so loud and they take marijuana.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They will take marijuana right next to you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And then how could you even see what anyone's dressed as?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's too dark and your vision's gone because you're high on marijuana.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Okay, we're back.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Karen, how many blouses. Now that you're a full time podcaster with sponsorship deals left and right, how many blouses do you have?

[Steven Ray Morris]

I don't want to fuel the haters, but I think I have upwards of

[Karen Kilgariff]

six blouses at this point. So.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I mean, and jewel tones, too. What if you had told Karen 2017 Karen, that she would be wearing jewel tones on the regular.

[Steven Ray Morris]

She'd spit in your eye, and then

[Georgia Hardstark]

she and Mimi would take their Prozac and fucking leave.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Prozac, Cher. I love the announcement of that where it's like, so, you know, do you feel like now 10 years later has Mimi's Mental health journey improved since those days?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, we've just gotten comfortable with her anger. You know, Like, I realize it's not. It's not about what's around her or what's, you know, it's just her. She's mad. And now she's old and mad and has to live with a dog and little cat who, like, she's just not fond of. So I think that Mimi's biggest problem and Prozac isn't going to take care of this is that she's supposed to be an only cat, so.

[Steven Ray Morris]

And she's the opposite.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're just like.

[Steven Ray Morris]

And I guarantee that will never happen to you, Mimi.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But she's going on strong. 2017 was a long time ago, and Mimi's still kicking it.

[Steven Ray Morris]

So I think we know a lot of people who are great examples of how bitterness and spite actually are great engines and really move you along really nicely.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fuels the fire of life.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, so this is an episode where we just read Halloween hometowns, which I love for us. Like, what a great way to fucking not have to do our homework for an episode.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Themed it out. This is back when I had two jobs. So we're just like, how about we

[Karen Kilgariff]

have other people do the work for us?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes. Right. And Steven's mustache can figure it all out for us.

[Steven Ray Morris]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right, let's get into some spooky hometowns.

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Goodbye.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We asked you guys to send us in scary stories and you guys interpreted that how you will. Steven's must lying mustache of justice yeah, sorted those out and here they are.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Go Karen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, I'm going to read this one first. The subject line is I'm glad she didn't look us in the eye. Hi hey all Sociopath My story is from a couple years ago. My niece, 2 years old at the time, was standing on top of my desk pulling books out from the attached bookshelf. One by one I stood behind her, ensuring she didn't fall to her death should she trip on a Nancy Drew and Stumble. I spent so much of my life standing behind Nora, letting her do what she wanted and just being there. And then it just. It's such a weird feeling of like. Oh, I wonder how many people did this for me. When I thought I was out by myself, like doing stuff. And then there's just an adult there waiting to catch you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Or. Or not. Or that should have been there. Yes. And then wasn't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So many options. Everything okay? So I stood behind her, said that to our left is a bedroom door which goes into a hallway that leads to the kitchen to the right and the garage to the left. Kind of like a three way intersection. We were in there for a little while. Her pulling books me estimating how long it would take to clean up up when it happened. From my peripheral vision, I saw my great aunt slowly start to pass by the door frame. I could see the red robe she wore all the time, her short curly dark hair and her ever present bright red Taylor Swift lipstick.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

My great aunt died four years before that day. When she vanished from the door frame, I scooped up my niece who had stared unblinkingly at her the whole time. So the baby saw it too.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And followed. But when I turned into the hallway, nothing was there. She was 100% real. We both saw her.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What the fuck?

[Karen Kilgariff]

But no matter how many times I've told this story, absolutely no one believes me. I'm into weird stuff. I believe the Loch Ness monster is real. Me too, girl.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes. How?

[Producer/Editor]

Because.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because first of all. Okay, don't make me get mad at you, Georgia.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, I think aliens are real. Let's go. Ready? Go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I don't like those. I think the lock. Steven, are you with me on this?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally, you guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because listen, and this might be your theory too. We don't know what's in the ocean at all.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's not the ocean, it's a lake.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But lakes are connected to the ocean in a subterranean underground tunnels. And they could be living down in caves and places that we have, we don't know are down there. Because no one's ever fucking explored 99% of the ocean.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I agree with all of the. All of that. The ocean is fucking amazing. And monsters are among them. The Loch Ness monster specifically was made up by a. Dude, you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, but that's a cynical punk rock thing. That's not true.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's not punk rock. It has nothing to do with the dead Kennedys right now.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're trying to be punk rock about the Loch Ness Monster. And I resent it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Why am I being. Why is my musical taste being brought into this argument?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because you're just.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Just.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You have to believe. You have to. It is the best idea. That's. That something that's a holdover from 50 million years ago is like, oh, but I was hiding around the corner. Nobody killed me off that.

[Georgia Hardstark]

When that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

When that meteor hit. I was just chilling and I saved all this algae. I don't know. I just want to believe in it really bad.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Same. Well, they. They found a supposedly extinct coelacant like that had been dead for millions of years. And they found it like 20 years ago. And it's just been hiding out under Madagascar for millions of years. I believe in cedar carfish or whatever, but the Loch Ness monster, specifically, I believe in dinosaurs.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Listen, I don't think he wears that

[Producer/Editor]

little Tam O Shanter.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay? So that I agree with you is ridiculous.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, he doesn't have. He doesn't wear a kilt.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No. That would be crazy. He's a fish. He can't wear a skirt.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, let's put a pin in this. This.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I have a.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And say you're wrong and come back

[Karen Kilgariff]

to it when that Loch Ness monster corpse washes up. Finally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I will. 100%. I'll go on record right now. I'll tell you you're wrong. No, I will not admit that I ever said any of this. 100%. Karen, we have the recording. No, never. That never happened. How do you believe the recording? That's.

[Producer/Editor]

I double recorded this.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Aliens.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm taking a picture of this recording.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We've totally lost our place.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The ant. Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was scared. I was scared.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I forgot.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Guys, we're super scared. Remember the old lady with the lipstick that passed by?

[Georgia Hardstark]

We believe her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I believe baby saw it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Baby. A baby watching a ghost is the scare. Is that you're seeing too.

[Producer/Editor]

That's your proof.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Down and down. Because like humans have all these things that are like get in the way of them able to see these spiritual things. And baby's just like, what A ghost? Okay, whatever.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why would that baby look away from the greatest game in the world? Pull books off a shelf. It wouldn't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You still play that game? I love it. I love it. We're gonna get through one story on this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love these ones. We just. It's all digressions. Okay? She says it was the most surreal thing that has ever happened to me. And I remember the moment clearer than anything else I've ever experienced.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Looking back on it, though. I remember she walked with her head down, staring at the floor ahead of her, and never turned to make eye contact with either of us. Almost like she didn't see us at the time. This confused me, but now that I've had time to think about it, she looked miserable. And I'm really grateful she didn't make eye contact with me. I have no reason to think this, but it can't be a good omen to make eye contact with a dead person.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's good logic.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't want to ever make eye contact with a dead person. I'm gonna say that on this podcast. I know it's controversial. Stan.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep. Again. Punk rock.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Punk rock again.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, Ravey, kind of.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All my bad musical taste is getting thrown.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're in your big pants.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Have you ever posted that picture of you with those big pants and the choker on?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Which one?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's the one that looks like it's. The camera's on the ground. Like, it's almost all pants. You look like a pants model. You know that one?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think so.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You have to post it that you're so, like, 1994 in it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know, I know. I will.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm still not done with this email.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Go on, pants model.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Pants model. I don't know what it was or what it meant, but I hope she found peace, even if she hasn't. If she hasn't already. Anyway, that's my ghost story. Love you guys. Even Steven. F. Even. Oh, even Steven. I thought they were saying it like,

[Georgia Hardstark]

the saying, like, now we're even Steven.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Love you. Even Steven. That's a given. People always love Steven. Yeah, that was genuine and legit creepy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love the idea of, like, seeing a being walk by. It's not like I saw this thing out of the corner of my. Or like, I would come into the kitchen and all the drawers were open. Cause that's the fucking scariest thing in the world. Right? Like, nothing is scarier than all the. Whatever that's being open.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Or like, all the things taken out of this thing and placed on top of this thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In those, like, conjuring movies, when they do that, when it's like someone steps out of the kitchen, when they go back, all the chairs are in a pipe.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Sixth Sense, in that scene when the mom comes back into the kitchen and everything's just piled up. Murder the best. Run, running, Goodbye.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You wish you could run but you have to stay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right, let's do the big hairy man.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We love Those this is a love story, not a ghost story about how

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love hairy men.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hi Karen, Georgia, Steven, and all our favorite furry babies. I finally decided to write to you after seeing your request for scary spooky stories. Till this day, my mother still thinks I'm crazy. When I was around the age of five, I had a bunk bed. I'm a side sleeper and if I laid on my right side I could see my doorway. Being five, I had the worst. Being five, the worst thing in the world would be sleeping in a room with a closed door. I had to have my door open. Ditto for about six months. Often I would wake up in the middle of the night. I'm not sure what time, but all the lights would be out and everyone would be sleeping. In my doorway I would see a figure. It was large enough to fill the entire space. You could see the outline of what I would describe as hair and red eyes. There would be heavy rhythmic breathing. What I would sometimes wonder if was the sound of my father sleeping across the hall. When I would think about this later in life, I would be terrified. I didn't want him to know I was awake. So I'd pretend to be sleeping and casually roll over. Well, little me thought it was casual. I would eventually fall asleep. I would tell my mother about him and she would dismiss him as a figment of my imagination. Finally, after one night, I said to myself, when he comes back, I'm going to jump off the bed, kick him between the legs and run across the hall to my parents room. He never came back. Years later, in grade nine, what's up Canada? I was asleep with some friends of mine. We were all telling stories and I began to talk about the big hairy man. One of the girls finished describing him. I was floored. She told me to speak to our friend Blake. I saw him in the hall at school the following Monday. All I said to him was big hairy man with glowing red eyes. His eyes started to tear up. How do you know that? He said. I said I saw him too. He proceeded to tell me the the big hairy man would sit at the end of his bed watching him. He says they spoke, but he doesn't remember what they said. Two years later, summer school, I'm talking to this chick. He would stand at the end of her bed and watch her. About a year after that, at a party at my friend's house where I was crashing for the night, I was sharing a bed with my friend. Laying in the dark, I was telling him the story. He said, if you could See me right now. I have tears in my eyes. He used to stand outside my window at night. Finally, about five years ago, talking to a girl I worked with. He would stand at the end of her bed too. None of us have any childhood connections. None of us went to the same elementary school and only met in high school or after. None of us could find a connection. Now when my husband goes away for the weekend with the kids, all doors are fucking closed, including close, just in case. After telling my mother all the sightings, the woman still thinks I'm crazy. Stay sexy and close your bedroom door before you sleep tonight. Kelly.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Now that's super creepy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Did I ever tell you my story about seeing something weird?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark]

When I was a kid, like 5, 5 years old, and I was sleeping in a bunk bed at night and we had like. At the end of the bunk bed was a mirrored closet, like the closet, the moving doors kind. And I was laying there late at night, everyone was sleeping. And I saw the closet door open on its own. Like a foot just like pushed open on its own. And I freaked the fuck out and ran into my parents room. And that's it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And you don't know what?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, I remember it happening. I don't think that was a figment of my imagination because it actually fucking opened.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And you were awake.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was awake and it opened.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's super creepy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I had to like get all of my fucking courage to run because I had to run past the closet door.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean that those moments of like when you are really young, you running,

[Steven Ray Morris]

Kelly. Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Kelly. Turning over, turning your back to like basically a monster in the doorway. Like, even those moments of like being brave as a little kid are so huge.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Your adrenaline's just pumping.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so. I mean, that's so scary. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Steven Ray Morris]

We are back revisiting our most legendary disagreement about the Loch Ness Monster.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How do you feel about it today? In today's money, what's your opinion?

[Steven Ray Morris]

In today's money, I think I'm three times more passionate. I've invested, I've doubled down, I've tripled down on the Loch Ness monster. I believe now more than ever.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Even the guy saying I faked the Loch Ness monster. Photo, photo. Karen cannot. She thinks that the Loch Ness Monster threatened his life and said, if you

[Steven Ray Morris]

don't tell him the proof, that man was clearly in distress. And clearly he would have never said those words had there not been a real Loch Ness monster at his neck.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Loch Ness Monster was like, snitches get stitches, bro.

[Steven Ray Morris]

And there's your proof. I rest my case, your honor. Well, how do you feel about the Loch Ness monster these days?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was against it then. Not against it. I'm okay with him being real if he is real, but I. I don't.

[Steven Ray Morris]

I can't imagine I was accusing you of being laissez faire about the Loch Ness monsters.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think I still am, but I

[Steven Ray Morris]

just love the idea.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love the anger. Or nothing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or nothing at all.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I do believe there's probably some crazy ass creatures out there we don't know about. So why can't one of them be in the nest in the Loch Ness?

[Steven Ray Morris]

Right. Why can't they be underwater?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Hairy men are giant men.

[Steven Ray Morris]

What's better for me? Giant.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Giant.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Although I'm not against Harry in the least.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, it's like the Harry part is really. It's. It's like. What is the word?

[Steven Ray Morris]

It's really primal. It's really sexy and smutty and musty

[Georgia Hardstark]

until it tips over this, like, invisible line of too much. And it's a fine line of too much and in too many places.

[Steven Ray Morris]

I wonder, now that we're on the topic, if there's such thing as caveman smut. Cause, you know, we know there's hockey smut now, and we know there's like, cowboys. Gay cowboys smut, whatever is there? Do you think anyone's ever written an erotic book about? Well, there's Clan of the Cave Bear.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How many times have we talked about Clan of the Cave Bear on this podcast? Like, literally at least five.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just seeded my own conversation and

[Steven Ray Morris]

brought myself back around.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was waiting for you to stop so I could yell Clan of the Cave Bear at you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So sorry.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, if anyone doesn't know what that is, it's what all of our moms read in the fucking 70s and 80s. And then we didn't realize it was bas. Shades of gray, but in a cave. With cave.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Steven Ray Morris]

A lot of loincloth action.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. A lot of thrusting. Like, a lot of loud, hairy thrusting. I remember stealing it, being like, oh, my God, Yes.

[Steven Ray Morris]

I used to love stealing my mom's books and pretending I was reading, like, Judy Blume or something.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Definitely. Definitely. I know my mom took away the Outsiders from my brother when we were little, which made me want to read it. And we went through her closet and found it and read it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Then you love it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Okay, let's get back into more spooky listener stories.

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

We were just talking about this.

[Steven Ray Morris]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Producer/Editor]

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[Steven Ray Morris]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Steven Ray Morris]

And mine is the pink the 160, which is the pink color correcting so it like brightens up your under eyes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm immediately using it. Find your shade of Instant Eraser concealer at your local retailer. Goodbye.

[Producer/Editor]

Okay, let's see.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry I fucked up these pages. Wedding dress Ghost Hi Karen, Georgia. Stephen. Elvis. Mimi. I grew up in an old coal house House off the railroad in old Minneapolis.

[Producer/Editor]

Perfect start.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I Was in a rundown area of the city. It was in a rundown area of the city. As though. As though a designer had just said rust was their vision. Anyway, the house was haunted. The trouble began when my parents bought the house before I was born. My mother found a wedding dress in the attic, originally belonging to the old woman who died in the house. Apparently her husband had left her years before. And she died alone. Oh, no. And then I just start crying. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And that's it. Thanks for listening.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Isn't that the scariest idea in the world? Dying alone? Happy Halloween. Mom liked the dress, and since she was going to get married, she decided to use this dress to save money.

[Producer/Editor]

Lady.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Lady. You don't like it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

The dead lady's attic dress?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Well, if she didn't want someone else to use it, she should have burned it in the backyard like a normal person, you know? Oh, you know how you do right after you get married.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This dress is actually. When she goes to put it on, it's just all made of moths. Interconnected moths touching each other.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They go fly away the moment it's on. And she disappears too. Into moths. Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But then they're in a mo. A moth pod up in the ceiling.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. And. And the daughter comes in. Mom. And she goes. Help me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

From far away in a few fan. Okay.

[Producer/Editor]

To my.

[Karen Kilgariff]

To say my parents marriage was rough would be an understatement. Because of the dress, they fought a

[Producer/Editor]

lot, but the energy of the house

[Karen Kilgariff]

was a darker variety. When I was young, I would hear someone calling my name when I'd investigate. No one had called for me. I'd see slithering shadows out of the corner of my eyes. I get that all the time. I always.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You might be having a seizure, honey.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I have floaters. There's all kinds of real. Get your eyes checked, everybody. But when I turned to look, the shadows were gone. My mom noticed this and she was disturbed, but my dad dismissed it as nothing a la the shining, which is spelled the shinning. Even my dog would not go upstairs at night, cowering whenever anyone tried to bring him near the room and preferring to stay outside.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's the creepiest part.

[Karen Kilgariff]

To me, that's so not dogs. Yeah, dogs are like. I'm good out here.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, I'm gonna go shiver in the yard or you should have burned that fucking wedding Dr. Bro. I'm gonna go shiver in what should have been the wedding dress pit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, it's way safer out in the burning area. Things came to a head when I was taking a bath.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, you mean the skeleton hand that came up through the bubble? No, no, no, wait. I'll read. This is what it actually says.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was alone in the bathroom and I felt someone touch my back.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was too scared to turn around.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And soon my mother came in and I rushed to her crying. My parents marriage fell apart and eventually they divorced. And since then they've become best friends. Oh no. I never felt that dark presence again. And though I've waned in my belief in the supernatural, I still get chills as an adult when thinking back. The dress was lost in a move. Oh God. It's in a box in someone else's fucking attic.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Now it's in Goodwill.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is part two. It's the scariest Goodwill in town. The dress was lost in a move. But seeing so many B movies in my life, I'm sure it'll come around for a sequel sooner or later. I swear I didn't read that ahead. Stay sexy.

[Producer/Editor]

Don't get murdered.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Gratefully and sincerely, Alan. Oh my God, that's awesome.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Scary.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean you. He had me at a wedding dress in the attic.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God. Totally. That's terrifying. Okay, that, this, that. The other. This one we did. Okay, you ready for Ghost uncle gets his way? Oh, all right. My great uncle Jack died when I was really young. He was always really kind, but also deviously sarcastic kind of guy. He was diagnosed with lung cancer and lived for several years with it, thanks to chemo. As he grew older and weaker, my great aunt Roxanne had a stand up shower installed in their bathroom so he wouldn't have to step over the tub with the traditional bath. He hated that shower. He was in complete denial about being weak. And he thought the glass see through door was ugly and tacky. Hey. Fucking men. He constantly asked her if they could go back to the traditional bath. On the day of his funeral, Roxanne was in the bathroom at the sink taking a breather from the reception. And out of the corner of her eye she saw a figure moving towards the shower. Just in time. She turned to look at the shower and the glass door freaking exploded. The glass out of nowhere, shattered.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Needless to say, she went back to a normal tub after that. That sarcastic, hilarious dude got his way from beyond the grave. Ssdgm. Pass. Patrick.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh my God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love when like physical things happen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's. Yes. That's amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Patrick.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That really. That just makes me think. After my mom died, I think I told you the story, but our good friend Ellen, Ellen Slater, her Father was sick. And this was say like a couple months after my mom died. And she went to. She. She. Like he had been sick for a while or whatever. She went to bed one night and she dreamed that my mom came to her and was like, you need to get your shit together. You need to get ready. Cause your dad's gonna die. And she woke up the next day and he had died. Oh, my.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The same night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, I get. Yeah, what the fuck? I totally believe in that stuff.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I do too. I mean, the night my mom's dad died, so my mom, like a couple years before I was born. His name was George. That's why I'm Georgia. She was in New York visiting her sister. And they were all out. My family's from la. And out of the window, like third story window, my mom hears her dad yell her name, Janet. She rushes to the window, opens it up. Nobody's out there. That night, at that moment, he died in bed, asleep at home in El la.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I totally believe in those.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, those two.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Those are real.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, she. The way she tells it to me, you know, I 100 believe her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love it. Well, yeah, I mean, that's. It was a real experience. Yeah. And also, I think, like, when you're on this planet and you have connections with people and you're. And you leave, like there's whatever it is, a burst event or whatever it is. There's some, you know, electric.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There's electricity in the air.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like radio waves, but radio waves, but ghost waves. It's people. People.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Radio People Radio Plus AM on that AM frequency coming at you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ready for Victorian Ghost woman?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Always.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hey there, Karen, Georgia, Stephen and Katz. My mom and I moved into a new apartment that was built in the late 1800s. So it has a lot, lots of history to it. Well, after long days of moving, my mom fell asleep on the chaise.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, well. Well, the chaise. You mean Blue Bloods.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Emails from Blue Bloods.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The chaise lounge.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She woke up to fingernails scratching on

[Producer/Editor]

the arm of the chair.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She woke up and saw a woman in white looking at her. The woman then slowly walked down the hallway and disappeared. For as long as we lived there, I felt strange about that house, as if somebody was always watching. The lady never bothered us or was seen again. However, the people who lived there after us have told stories that there was a ghost that would not leave them alone. I found out this story years later, and that creepy feeling now makes sense. Thanks for the awesome podcast. Stay sexy. Don't get murdered.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Britney, what if Bomber to move into a place and just be like, you can't even yell at your neighbors for having fucking, you know, whatever TV show they're watching on too loud, the Americans. Like, can you please turn that lower, please? Or like, fucking. What is it? Lord of the. What's the one?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, the Lord of the Rings.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, yeah, turn that lower. And then it's like, stop haunting me. You can't do that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know in all those ghost haunting stories that I love that are on tv, the people move into a house that they just spent all their money, and then they're stuck in this house where crazy shit's happening. But they're all like, no, we have to be in denial because we don't have the money to leave.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Do you remember a couple years ago, there was that story about a family who moved into some house? It might have been upstate New York or something. I don't fucking know that details. And they started receiving letters from someone, threatening them, threatening their children by name. And saying specifically things about their children and their family that they did like their routine. They knew everything about them, and they were sending them these threatening letters, like, move the fuck out or I will kill you all. And they moved the fuck out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They didn't find out who it was?

[Georgia Hardstark]

No. I mean, maybe they have at this point, someone let us know, but like, oh, my God, it was. I was just like, I'd rather have a ghost. 100%.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was just some creepazoid who, like, probably grew up there or whatever or

[Karen Kilgariff]

lived in the walls or just some

[Georgia Hardstark]

fucking neighbor who was like, God, they listen to the Americans so loud.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, exactly. That's that weird thing of, like, if some crazy person that lives near you and there's the slightest. You know, they're like, we brought you a pie. And you're like, I'm sorry, I don't eat pie. And then the letter writing campaign starts.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Luckily, the Murderina, who lives two doors down, is really fucking cool. And she's. She has the cutest dog I've ever seen in my life.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank God. Thank God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's very lucky.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Cause if she had just been cool, it would have been fine. But one thing. But the dog is cute, so that's cool. It's my turn. Ready for a sappy ghost story, Karen?

[Producer/Editor]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Because this is called. Hey, y'.

[Producer/Editor]

All.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How about a sappy ghost story? I was born into a family of funeral directors who operate three funeral homes in rural Tennessee. Fuck, yes. So death has always been part of my life. We had at Least three Christmases and my eighth birthday party at the funeral home because they were too busy to leave. My dad and brother have talked about times they felt a spirit with them or was in the funeral home, but I never experienced it myself until 2007. In early 2007, my grandpa and my Yorkie dog passed away that August. I moved to Knoxville for college and was having a rough time emotionally losing my grandpa and dog, moving away, starting college clusterfuck of a month. My then boyfriend, let's call him Jack, lived in an off campus apartment and his sister lived nearby with her little dog, Peyton. One day I was napping in Jack's room while he was in the shower. I was so tired and in that half sleep, half awake state. I was laying on my left side with my back to the door and I felt a little dog jump on the bed. I figured his sister had stopped by with Peyton. The dog walked around on the bed, it put its paws on my right side just for a bit, then laid down at the foot of the bed bed. Seconds later, I felt someone sit down on the other side of the bed. Figuring it was Jack out of a shower, I didn't even bother opening my eyes or rolling over. He patted my right shoulder twice, just gave it just a slight squeeze. And then the weight of him and the dog on the bed was gone. A few minutes later, Jack came in and woke me up. I asked him why his sister had left Peyton here and he said no one had been in the apartment and the dog wasn't there. I didn't believe him, so I got up and went to the living room. No dog and and the inside deadbolt chain lock was still locked, so no one had been in the apartment. Walking back to the bedroom, I smelled Juicy Fruit gum. Jack didn't chew that gum and neither did I, but my grandpa had. He had kept an open pack in his overalls, so you always smelled it when he was around. After realizing this, I immediately started sobbing. I knew it had to have been my grandpa with my dog letting me know they were okay and I would be too thankful. Thanks so much for this amazing podcast and I can't wait to see y' all on Nashville. Ssdgm Megan oh my God, I love.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're all so fragile.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Do you ever get when, when we're away in hotels and stuff and you're like falling asleep at night, do you feel your dogs jump on the bed? I feel my cats jump on the bed all the fucking time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do you? That's hilarious.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's just like the phantom, phantom buzz. And you're like, yes, phone ring.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't get the that. But I miss it because Frank, my dog Frank, the second I get home and like, lay down to watch TV or like, whatever, he comes up and either slides all the way up and lays in front of me or goes into the bend of my legs and lays there, he's like, has to be directly pressed up against me, baby, it's the cutest. And George goes into a little weird circle, like far away, and then goes. And she's all mad. She's mad that I left, she's mad I came back. She's just always mad at me. Okay, she's glad that you came. You're here.

[Producer/Editor]

So this is from a Reddit thread. I found out about this because a Reddit thread got posted on Twitter and so a bunch of murderinos let us know that this person was writing in and they were trying to get heard.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But of course, our genius email is

[Producer/Editor]

chock full and no one had read this email. So we got the heads up and we went in and found it. And actually I began to email with

[Karen Kilgariff]

this person and had a good conversation

[Producer/Editor]

with them and so they sent this email. And before I get started, I just want to give a trigger warning. This is a very intense letter.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So, people, if you're sensitive to sexual

[Producer/Editor]

assault stories, you're not going to want to listen to to this. A few months ago, a co worker turned me towards the MFM podcast because a story was told about me. Spoiler alert. I wasn't murdered. For reference, it was episode 92 in October of 2017. I actually wrote to you once before and indicated that I didn't want anything more published, that I just wanted to set the record straight. But I've had a few months to sit on this and some time to bounce it off my therapist, and I've decided that I do want to tell my story. It was so crazy to hear my worst nightmare told on a podcast.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It felt like a violin.

[Producer/Editor]

So much of this has felt like something that happened to me and I want to control this part of the narrative. I want my real story told by me, with my consent. On January 8, 2017, I was working as a Medica legal death investigator and forensic autopsy tech. I was working a swing shift alone. The building we were in at the time was old and decrepit. The building was not connected to any hospital, though it did house the county morgue. The upstairs part of the building was primarily offices and the basement was the autopsy suite and body Cooler. That night, the region was experiencing widespread flooding due to rain melting the snowpack. Law enforcement resources were stretched thin and the old building was leaking and threatening to flood. The county had made press releases that county facilities would be closed the next day. In addition to scene investigations, part of my duties were to process cases for autopsy the next morning.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Morning.

[Producer/Editor]

Traditionally, I would do all of my writing and follow up from my cubicle upstairs and save the hands on processing until the very end of my shift. I would rather process three bodies in a row all at once versus go downstairs three times during my shift. Even after years of working with the deceased, the downstairs creeped me out. While I was upstairs writing a report, my computer keyboard malfunctioned. I spent some time fiddling with it, but ultimately decided to go downstairs to an abandoned office turned storage room to get a report. Normally, I wouldn't have gone downstairs for another 45 minutes or so, but I couldn't finish my report without a keyboard. I was in the office storage room with my back to the door. When I turned around, there was a man leaning on the door frame. He was wearing a scary clown mask. He was calm and cocky and he told me, you're early. He knew my routine. I was kind of frozen for a second. He rushed toward me and I swung the keyboard at him like a baseball bat. To this day, I can see some of the keys flying off in slow motion. He pushed me against a bookcase, hard. My vision went white. I think my bell got rung pretty good because there's a couple seconds I can't account for. He had my right hand pinned up near my head. He grabbed at my skirt and ripped it. I thought he was trying to pull off my lanyard that had a key card and physical keys to the building.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I tried to hit him, but I

[Producer/Editor]

couldn't get any leverage. He was so close to me. Nothing I did got any response until I tried to pull the mask off. That's when he pulled the knife. He rubbed the knife over my face. He cut my cheek and showed me my blood on the blade. He called me a whore. He told me to undress and when I refused, he put the knife under my collarbone, right at the subclavian artery and told me he would paint the walls red. He raped me. When I yelled and begged him to stop, he laughed and asked who was supposed to hear me screaming. Scream. He stopped and told me to get on my knees for the first time. He didn't have the knife to my chest or throat. I didn't think about it. I grabbed the knife by the blade and ran running up the stairs. I kept feeling something weird on the handrail. It turns out it wasn't the handrail that was weird, it was my hand. I started to run outside but realized I didn't know where he was. Our old building was like a maze. I started to go to my desk but stopped and hid under another investigator's desk. I couldn't find my cell phone and I called 911 from the desk phone. It took a couple of tries having to Remember to dial 99 before dialing out. I vividly remember hiding under the desk, trying to whisper to the dispatcher and watching the blood run down my fingers and pool on the ground. Our building was supposed to be secure and the responding police officers had no way to gain entry. I had to leave the desk and walk through two doors and a hallway to let them in. The whole time I was expecting him to pop out, but he didn't. It took law enforcement a while to clear the building. They didn't have keys, were unfamiliar with the maze like layout and had to search every body bag. The man in the clown mask wasn't found. I was released from the ER several hours later. My supervisor drove me home, but we first had to go back to the building to collect my wallet and camera keys. It was dreamlike seeing the red and blue lights illuminate the area. Officers and deputies patrolling in pairs in the pouring rain reminded me of a scene from a movie. After the scene was processed, my co workers cleaned my blood from the office stairs, desk doors and wall. An email went out to the majority of the staff telling them not to report until 0800 hours. When my coworkers, who are also my partners and best friends, went downstairs to prepare everything for autopsy, they found Evan and that he had been waiting for me in the autopsy suite. Arranged on the back of an evidence cart next to an exam table were long strips of red duct tape. Two long pieces, two shorter pieces. The red duct tape was dog eared which is never done with evidence. As it was described to me. They were ready for someone at the floor level to be able to easily grab. Ready to go. If I had been going down to process bodies in my usual routine, I would have walked backwards pulling a gurney to that exact spot. No arrest has ever been made. The only DNA that was recovered from my clothing wound up belonging to my infant son from where I had held him before going to work. The investigation of my case was transferred from one jurisdiction to another as the attack happened in a County building. This resulted in twice as many law enforcement officers being involved in various ways. The detectives investigating my case forgot to flag it as confidential, resulting in an unknown number of deputies reading details of my case. One deputy shared details of my case on a hookup app. One high ranking officer shared the details with their family. And that is how it came to you in the first place. That night turned my world upside down. I moved, changed cars, my kids, changed schools, and I ultimately resigned. The new facility that we moved into a month later is state of the art with cameras, alarms and ballistics glass. But I was never again comfortable being alone in the Morgan night. I will always have to live with the knowledge that someone very smart, collected and comfortable in a morgue is still out there. We know that he had been in the building at least twice before and likely once after. I don't know what exactly he had planned, but I'm thankful for a random faulty keyboard space bar. I'm okay. It took a while of not being okay to be where I am now. I wanted to write to you because I think sometimes the person part of your stories gets overlooked, booked. I found and reached out to the person who initially shared my story, but I think I freaked them out. Perhaps they were concerned that I was the perpetrator. Oops. If you have any questions about details or you need clarification, I'm happy to unscramble this. Thank you for your time. So.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Producer/Editor]

So we told a story that was thirdhand and not the person's story to tell. I don't think that the person who wrote in had malicious intent, but I think this is a very good lesson for all of us when we think about what we're doing and how we're talking and who we're talking about. So our apologies to you who had to hear her story on a podcast. That's the last thing that we want to happen. And that's, you know, that's just. That's not what we're trying to do and it's not what it's about. And we should have thought it through. And we're going to try our best to keep aware of this and to keep you in mind so that we avoid mistakes like this in the future.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And so George and I have decided

[Producer/Editor]

that we're going to donate $10,000 to the rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, Rainn and we thank you for your understanding and for writing in and communicating with me and letting us retell your story the way you wanted it told.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Old. Okay, we are back in 2026.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That.

[Steven Ray Morris]

That whole experience with the woman hearing her own story on our podcast with someone else telling it, sending it in and telling it incorrectly was really one of, like, I don't know, one of the most, of course, humbling, but also like really self assessing moments on this podcast for me. Cause it was like we're just reading stuff and trying to get like, quote unquote, trying to get our work done. And this as a possibility, of course, just never would have entered my mind.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And now, I mean, it felt so awful. And I think that it didn't enter our mind. And then it did and it hasn't left. You know, like, when we tour and go to the cities, we do stories based in whatever city we're in or state we're in. And you're always like, when it's a recent case, you're always like, what if that person's best friend or cousin or something is in the audience? How would I want them to react to this? Because you can't help it, but you want to make sure you're doing it in a way that doesn't feel gross.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Yeah. And it was really, I remember emailing with this person and. And they were incredibly fair and incredibly just straightforward about, like, not really being sure how they feel, not liking it, like. And I basically said, we can do any version of what you would like to do. We can take the entire thing down. We can take, you know, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And so what it ended up being. And what you hear in this episode is what they asked to do, which is essentially replaced the incorrect one with the correct one, which is their own story. And I think that was incredibly generous of them to allow us to do that and allow us to make that change on the show.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Steven Ray Morris]

I felt very, very lucky that that's what their decision was and that they shared that story with us.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Definitely.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Okay, now we're gonna go back and finish up this last batch of haunted hometowns.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is called Stabbed by a Ghost by Lacey.

[Producer/Editor]

Whoa.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Dear Karen, Georgia, Steven and respective pets. I'm a longtime listener, first time caller, as all of my hometown murders have been covered by y' all already. But I saw Steven. She probably lives somewhere fucked up, but I saw Steven was looking for some spooky, ooky, kooky. Oh, honey. Experiences for a mini. So now how to throw my hat in the ring? Oh, sweetie, I was taking a sip.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know Diet Coke when she spits. Spooky, ooky, kooky. That almost came out my nose.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I Saw. Oh. But then she goes on to say, it makes better. This summer I was stabbed by a fucking ghost.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know how ridiculous that sounds, but here, hear me out. I worked for my family's bed and breakfast this summer. My family had been divided on whether the house was haunted or not. And until I started working there, I was firmly in the not haunted camp. I had stayed there as a guest from time to time, but I had never spent more than a few days in the house. Once I started working there, I experienced little things that I would chalk up to natural phenomena, like my bedroom door swinging open or shut all. Or all the window blinds flying up mid piss. Mid piss. That's terrifying. Can you imagine? You're just. And that's horrible.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And you have to finish peeing. Yeah, yeah. That's horrifying.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's a funny ghost though.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, it's kind of good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Something sitting in the face. Okay. Being a skeptic, I totally wrote all of this off until I was the only one on duty one night. Which you can't write it off because then they're gonna be like, oh, yeah, well, let me, let me really show you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I was working on preparing some banana bread and a savory bread pudding for the next morning's breakfast. Okay. Yeah, I. I had placed the bread in the oven, assembled the pudding to soak overnight, and had thoroughly cleaned the kitchen. I went to the back laundry room to work on turning a few loads of laundry while the bread baked in the oven. About 30 minutes into baking, I went to the kitchen to check on the bread. I went to slip my hands into the oven mitt and was promptly greeted by a fucking paring knife stabbing me in between my ring finger and middle finger.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Whoa.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I removed the knife and found the first aid kit. I was went to go curse out my mother for leaving a knife in the oven mitt when my blood ran cold and I remembered that I was the only one in the house being a skeptic. I used to be. I tried to find rational explanation for why a paring knife would be blade up inside an oven mint. And then it says hint. There's no rational explanation. It was not a knife I had used in the breakfast prep and it was usually kept in a drawer along with the other parents knives. I racked my brain for hours trying to wonder if I had truly put the knife in the mitt in some sort of I'll remember why this is here later scenario. But then I finally came to the conclusion that the ghost was real and probably Mad at me for taking. For talking shit about him all summer. I apologized out loud to the ghost and went to the doctor once someone else came home. Now I've just got a fun little scar to remind me of why ghosts are real and you shouldn't call them imaginary SOBs. Lots of. Of love, Lacy.

[Steven Ray Morris]

I mean.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh. Then she said, I withheld the name of the BNB because I didn't want you to say it on air. But if you're curious, I will write back. Would love to have you guys come visit. It's got lots of. Lots of ghosts and antique furniture.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, wow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We're there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's everything I need. Yeah. Because I was thinking. I was thinking, oh, well, if you keep. Obviously if you keep your oven mitt in the same drawer as those knives.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

But she wouldn't be scared if that were the truth. She'd be like. She would have already checked. And also, you would feel it, right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She just used the oven mish.

[Georgia Hardstark]

They were out. It sounds like, man, when a ghost cuts, you move, Leave.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so crazy when ghosts can move

[Georgia Hardstark]

around, which is why I don't think it's real.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, look, listen.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, go ahead. What? Look, I think ghosts don't haunt me because I'm like, oh, cool. I'd be like, great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's funny. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I wonder. I wonder if it is locational, situational, or, like, about the people.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I just don't think it's what we think it is. Enough that any of that would be true or matter.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, I just don't think it's a old person who's dead being like, I'm gonna make this girl freak out when she's peeing. You know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm gonna stab her in between her fingers.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Um, but then I think that's also having been a person who has a ghost story, the frustration where you're like, well, I. This is the thing that happened. Maybe in and of itself, it isn't insane. Or, like, you could explain it, but that's not the explanation. And I'm telling you because I was there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And it doesn't make you feel any better about you experiencing that thing?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Someone being like, yeah, well, that didn't happen. You know, like, people, anytime I tell my ghost story, they're like, you had sleep paralysis. It's like, no, because I've had sleep paralysis. And I know the difference. I know that feels like, why do

[Georgia Hardstark]

they need to do that? Well, because I do that too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They want to solve it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. I mean, other experiences I've actually had, I've been like, well, I had an active imagination or whatever. The.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why can't I just be like?

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was fun, right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or it's uncomfortable just to leave it with. Anything's possible.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Weird world. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is there a man in the crawl space or is it just a ghost? Hi, Georgia, Karen, Stephen, Elvis, Mimi, Dottie, Frank and George. I will be at your Fort Lauderdale show on the 5th. November 5th. I cannot wait to see you guys. So my ghost story haunting comes from my hometown of Hamilton, New Jersey. Yes, that's the same place of the Megan Konka murder. A side note, I hope I pronounced

[Georgia Hardstark]

her last name right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Side note, I went to the same elementary schools her a few years after this happened. So San. The elementary school was very big on stranger danger lessons. They tore that asshole's house down and made it into a park called Megan's Place. So the family didn't have to keep being reminded with that house. And our school used to take us there once a year to remind us of the true dangers of going with people we don't know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And that's the Megan's Law murder, where Megan's Law came into play or started. Anyways.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Um, anyway, I was about 10 years old when my dad finally moved us out of an apartment and into a house. The family that lived there before us was an older couple who built the house. When the wife died of old age, parentheses, might I add, she died in the house.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He decided it was time to sell the house and go into a home. I remember the first time I walked into this house and the weird feeling I got. I chalked it up to all the old people's furniture being in the house and the wives sewing room being untouched since she had died. Her sewing room became my bedroom once we moved in. No weird things started happening as soon as we moved. Such as things being misplaced that no one could remember moving. Weird noises that my dad would explain by saying the house is settling and you're just freaking yourself out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The house is just screaming and you're just freaking out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why don't you like screaming? You're a child.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The house is screaming in pain. It's perfectly normal. And you wouldn't know. We've always lived in park apartments.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right. You don't understand that houses have feelings. Like people and skin.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Only pain, but still a feeling.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, so fast forward a year later, my first night all alone in the house. Oh, I was using the computer in my dad's room chatting with friends on aim.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh yay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

When I heard footsteps walk by the doorway right under the staircase. I ignored it as I thought it was the quote how settling and kept chatting away. Shortly after the first pair of footsteps, I heard multiple pairs of footsteps running paired with giggling.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No giggling please.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Home alone. Giggling. Being the idiot child I was, I decided it was okay for me to go investigate. As soon as my feet hit the floor, all sounds stopped.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, that's creepy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I feared it was my imagination and went back upstairs to carry the on imming my friends. Once I got upstairs, the footsteps and the giggling started again.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This time I figured it was my dad playing a prank on me since he did this often.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I ran back downstairs yelling, this isn't funny. I looked out the window and when I saw his truck wasn't there, that's when I really started to panic.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh my God. I grabbed the landline and ran into my bedroom and locked the door. That's when I heard heavy footsteps banging up the basement stairs steps and the sound of someone banging on the basement door. No, my dad kept it locked since he was convinced someone was going to break in through the basement.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, they are.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I climbed under my bed and started calling my sisters for them to come get me. As soon as there was a break in the banging, I bolted out of my house and down the street. About five minutes later, my sister's boyfriend picked me up and he had me wait in the car as he checked the house to make sure no one was in there. No one was. He decided to take me home with him until my dad was able to come and get me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't like that either.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Since that day, my dad made a joke about having a man living in the crawl space in his room. Anything. Anytime anything weird happens, the man in the crawl space is at fault for it. Like when my dad eats all the ice cream sandwiches and doesn't remember doing it. Thank you for reading my haunting ghost story, Alison. Oh, that was. That's so, so scary.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Giggling. Yeah, nobody wants giggling.

[Producer/Editor]

You don't like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You don't think about it until like being by yourself, yourself and hearing giggling. Did I ever tell you that time that I was by myself in my house? This was before I got George, so I didn't have dogs.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And I was sitting there trying to. I was trying to finish some writing and so it was dead silent in the house and had been for like an hour straight. And I heard directly next to my ear a zipper, zipped up.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

And I. Oh, no, sorry. I had gotten George because. Because I grabbed her leash and was like, come with me. And we just walked out the door. I went to the dog park and then I called my friend Rob because I was just like, this is. You're the only person I can tell this to. It sounds so weird, but I just. Zipper heard something. It was just. It wasn't in the distance. It was like someone zipped their coat next to me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's so creepy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was very clear. It wasn't like, oh, this. It sounded like a zipper. It was a zipper.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Zip it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like one of the plastic zippers on a 70s ski jacket. Yeah, like that. Really? You know, like how serial killers wear like Ed Kemper.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, my God. You know, fucking Ted Bundy had some sweet ass 70s jackets.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He probably on his 70s ski jacket left the ski lift hat.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was what to do. Because you'd be like, yeah, I went skiing over the winter break.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. I was up at Snowbird.

[Georgia Hardstark]

How much funny would one of those tags that says Ted Bundy's name on it goes before?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, I would say in the $500,000 range. In this day and age, these people who love serial killer songs, these weirdos. Oh my God.

[Georgia Hardstark]

These people love what kind of monsters. Okay, let's see. Okay. Yeah. There's something about being home alone and I don't know how you do that. Like, I don't like having a house where there's multiple rooms. Like, I have to turn all the lights on when I alone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, well, I swear it. The dog saw solve everything because they hear everything. George hears everything.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She know. She knows when people are walking up, like up the street from half a block away and starts barking. So that's like if anything, if anything, it's just like a nice warning call.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're safe. Any zipper people come in, George is going to.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Going to regulate.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She didn't on that one, though. She was all like, what a worley Leaving.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm supposed to be scared of this. You do this all the time. Okay. Okay, here we go. Grandpa's haunting me and that's okay. Hi, Karen, Georgia, Steven, Cats and dogs. I've been listening to MFM for a while now. It's brought a change to my life I could have never expected. Thanks for helping my socially awkward self make new friends and gain some confidence in myself. Yay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's what we're talking about, Brittany. Hell yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. All right. When I was three years old, my grandpa died. He'd been in an Accident at work and lived in a vegetative state for quite some time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh no.

[Georgia Hardstark]

When I was born, that's where he was. Oh God, that family.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's tough.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was an incredibly tough time for my family, but most of us made it out okay. A couple years later, I was at my grandma's house. A split level with the rec room downstairs and the kitchen right above it. While my grandma was in the kitchen, she could hear me carrying on a conversation through through the vents.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love this.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know. When I came up for a snack, she asked me what I was doing down there. Talking to the man, I replied. My grandma asked me to describe what he looked like, but may have regretted that decision. As I described my deceased grandfather to a T. I of course thought nothing of it and went about my child business.

[Karen Kilgariff]

With your child briefcase? Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I have no memory of this, but I also don't have memories from before first grade. Fair enough. A few things happened as I was growing up, but nothing too notable. A couple of things moved or fell, but it wasn't anything I was afraid of. Fast forward to having my first live in boyfriend. He would wake up with scratches every now and then and made me nervous. I remember my aunt having a picture of her and her prom date on her dresser. And his face was scratched out on the glass and on the picture.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Whoa.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was weird. One morning I remember waking up to just one of my hanging plants swaying, but not the other. I hate that. That's the worst.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, don't worry about it. That's just a wind in here. Oh shit. It's not.

[Georgia Hardstark]

There was an air circulation there as the window was closed and the heater was off. So it didn't make any sense. So I decided to try to make some contact. I grabbed a voice recorder and started asking questions. Okay, wait. Here we go. Though these though. These questions. Through these questions, I learned I was my grandpa and he didn't like my boyfriend. He was right. We aren't together anymore. And then that was it. Those were the only two questions that were answered. Holy shit. I felt less scared afterwards and I didn't have anything of note and I didn't have anything of note happen after that. I do remember the night I went into labor with my child. I felt an overwhelming sense of love and protection. I hadn't even gone into labor, but I felt like he was there and he knew. A couple of small things have happened since then, but they're not as exciting. But that's my ghost story and I'm happy. I was Able to share with everyone. Thank you for all you do. And you don't have to fuck politeness if the ghost is your grandpa who really just wants love. SSDGM Brittany Yes. I love that he like physically scratched up her boyfriend and the aunt's photo.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's almost like. I can't really tell you anything. I can't. If I tell you I don't like your boyfriend, you're just gonna love him more because that's how it always works.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

But instead I'm going to like horror movie creep you out about your boyfriend.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm gonna make the boyfriend break up with you by scaring the ever loving shit out of him.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, it's so good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's great. Okay, give me a sign, grandpa. And just scratches up the face of your.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's just like crazy white eyes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What if he's like, I don't like your dog just scratches up your grandpa.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You don't get to choose my life, Grandpa. You have all the. You're so finicky.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ghost and scary human in Silver Lake Cafe Theater. Dear team Hard Kill and precious, sweet, kind, gentle Steven. Steven, stop. Is that why you picked it?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm hiding these.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is ridiculous.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Ridiculous.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Stephen. I want to first let Karen know that I am from Sacramento and I love every time she shits on Sacramento because it truly is the armpit of California and Bakersfield is the butthole. Come on, everybody. There was someone that just wrote on Twitter, they wrote something like, why won't you come to Sacramento? It's like I have explicitly stated how

[Georgia Hardstark]

I feel about let's go in Orange County County. Despite me having fucking panic attacks. There was a Act of God.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then. And then having that amazing show. Oh my God, the best show.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Anaheim show was incredible.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, so fun. Okay, let's go anyhow.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes. So we're not going to Sacramento anyways anyway.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We absolutely should.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know. We are definitely going.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We should play the fairgrounds. That would be so cool, dude.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like the state fair.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Or we could do a live show in the Howbout Arden shopping center and just like clear some parked cars.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I don't know what that is. I want to do the stay of hair. I want to be between the pie eating contest, then my favorite murder live and then like the pig eating contest. No. I don't know. Is there a.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's definitely a pig eating contest. It's like if you can eat a live pig, you win a ribbon, right? Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're waiting, pig. You win your. Wait. And pig, if you can eat your waiting pig. And then it's like, well, I don't really want that anymore.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, wait, this is my favorite thing. Georgia texted me at like 4 in the morning.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You up? Because you texted me. I Woke up at 4, of course. And I looked at my phone and you were. You just texted. The coffee was a mistake. Yes, at like midnight. And then I was like, you know, last time I told you I was up all night, you were like, text me. I'm up. Yes, they text you at 4:00am I

[Karen Kilgariff]

think I woke up like a half an hour later. And it was so exciting because I just am. You're never lonelier than when you're up in the middle of the night by yourself.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And it was like I had a message waiting where you're like, hey, you up?

[Georgia Hardstark]

What's going on? But the pig thing, I said, I'm just laying here listening to the Pig People book, which everyone needs to fucking download immediately because I fall asleep to it at night even though it's like the best book ever.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's the title?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's called no Stone Unturned. It's about necrosis. I think I talked about it way in the beginning of the podcast, but it's Necrosearch. Who is that really awesome organization that finds clandestine graves? There's all these different kinds of people in it who are sciencey and otherwise and they're called the experts and they're called the pig people because they started burying pigs to see how decomposition worked and how it made graves look and how you could see how long a body was buried based on the foliage and based on the bugs and decomposition. So. So I listened to that to fall asleep and I'm like, why isn't this working? It's so crazy. It's so relaxing. I'm not.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm dreaming of pigs.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No Stone Unturned. Listen to it. It's best. Okay, Sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, no, no. Okay, so Sacramento, Sacramento. Plenty of shitting on Sacramento then. Anyways, this is my ghost story. The day after I graduated from college, I moved from Northern California straight to Los Angeles.

[Producer/Editor]

Angeles.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Scary enough in and of itself. My boyfriend and I literally walked the graduation stage and a few hours later jumped into our U Haul truck for the six hour drive.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I love that. I love it. I did that. It took about a couple days after I graduated and we, my mom and I were like, goodbye, Orange County. Yeah, forever.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's nothing I love more than if something ended. You just get in the car and go. There's no reason Go hang out and visit and do all this. It's just kind of like. And on to the next one.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, life's short.

[Producer/Editor]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was starry eyed as I exited on vine street and thought how amazing the city looked. It does. From that weird little hill. I found a job quickly as a barista in a small theater cafe in hipster Silver Lake. I thought it was a very cool gig. The customers were semi famous comedians and people I recognized on tv. I mean there's nothing, nothing better. The cafe also hosted fun improv and comedy shows in their small black box theater.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The Lyric. It's the Lyric.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, okay. Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I'm like hell bent on guessing what place this is. Yes, it's the Lyric. Kurt Braunaller, our friend, used to go in there all the time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The Lyric. Hyperion.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, yes. Okay, sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, perfect. We figured it out. The afternoons and night shows were fun and lively. However, I felt a sense of dream dread as all the customers and audience members left one by one. And an aura of evil lurked in the cafe at night.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That place is absolutely haunted.

[Producer/Editor]

Really?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know it. I've been in there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I've been in the.

[Georgia Hardstark]

In the back room. It's terrifying. So. Well, she's gonna. Why do I even talking during this? I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, you're fine.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Adding weird.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, you're fine. Okay. Naively, I accepted to close the cafe by myself every night. Naive and says one word for it. That meant I, a 5 foot 90 pound female with severe anxiety, had to close the cafe at 11:30.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh honey, don't do it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You need this job.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You know. She said yes to. Because she then she's like, I don't have to talk to anyone while I close.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'll just sweep. It'll be nubby.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Leave me alone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, I was responsible for cleaning and locking up the cafe and theater, which would take about 45 minutes. The cafe was extremely quiet. I mopped the floors and suddenly I heard a roar of happy cheers, whistles and laughter that lasted approximately three seconds coming from the audience of the theater room.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Uh huh. I dropped the mop and peeked into the control room upstairs to see if there was still a show going on. I looked out of the window from the booth.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And saw a dim red light emitting from the back from the small black box theater and a lone chair in the middle of the stage.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I felt like a sinister being was watching up at me.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Me. Wait.

[Karen Kilgariff]

From down on the stage. And I quickly locked up without cleaning the rest of the cafe A few days later my co worker who had the morning shift texted me and confronted me that I should put the pepper shakers away properly and that I and I shouldn't put them on the floor again.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Then he sent me a picture of the three pepper shakers lined up neatly on the floor in the middle of the cafe. That was impossible since I would never have moved those items on the floor floor. That's just weird. I thought he was pranking me. One time I had to cover the same co workers morning shift even though I was scheduled to close that previous night. As I was closing for the night, I made sure the shell, the salt and pepper shakers were in the same exact spot on the kitchen table. The next day I opened the cafe at 6am and the pepper shakers were moved neatly aligned on the floor again in the front of the cafe. Even though I'd made sure to place them properly the night before, I'd freeze freaked me out so much that I just sat on the outside patio waiting for the waiting for the morning rush customers to come in. Last and scariest event that led me to quitting the job happened when I was closing the cafe again. I had taken the trash out by using the back entrance but had not locked up the locked locked up the door since it was one of the last things to do when closing. I continued to clean and clean count the till when I looked up and saw a skinny and tall homeless man press his face into the glass of the entrance door. His eyes were round and dark and his squished face on the glass had this obtuse and evil smile. He then darted away as I remembered I didn't lock the back door. I quickly rushed to close the back gate and saw a tall dark figure rushing towards me through the gate screen. I then slammed the door and locked it because of the front of the cafe had these huge glass panes as walls. I turned off all the lights in the cafe so that he could not see me and quickly hid in the

[Producer/Editor]

corner of the store.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This was already scary enough as I knew ghosts were probably haunting the theater too.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I called my boyfriend to come pick me up a 30 minute drive and I quit the job.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Holy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's been three years since I moved and I have a better job. I now have a higher standards when finding jobs in Los Angeles. One make sure it has a parking lot and two have co workers clothes with you. Oh my God your tiny murderino Tracy oh my.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I am going into Lyric Hyperion tomorrow and asking for Ghost stories immediately.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God, that's so scary. It's so scary. And that idea that you have to race the guy to the back door, dude, is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Remember when you were 20 and you thought you were fucking invincible and, like, you could close late at night alone and leave the door open and everything would be fine?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, you're just kind of like, oh, this is fine. Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Living my life. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God, Tracy, that was a really good story, Tracy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That was great. I think maybe we should end on that one. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Stephen, these were awesome.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Good job, Steven.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Those were really fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah, they were so fun to read. Oh, my God, I love getting scared. We need to have, like. Like a. A pod. Like a side podcast of this. We could just keep doing our hometowns as this for a little while.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know. Well, yeah, yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, for sure. I love them.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Listen, here's what we're gonna say. Send in your hometowns. Look and listen. Send in your hometowns. If you have spooky, scary stuff like

[Karen Kilgariff]

that, we want to hear it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay. I feel like not even just spooky scary, but, like, thrilling, weird. Yes. You know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like, racing a guy to the door is great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's great. I mean, near misses.

[Producer/Editor]

Come on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right? And also the thing of, like. And then after that, she knew, like, yeah, you have to. You can't just let somebody schedule you because they're cheap at the place and they only want to pay one person.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like, no, dude, it's two people. Or, like, I can't close at night.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The salt and pepper shaker thing is the scariest thing to me. That's nuts, because, like, if he hadn't said anything to her about it, she wouldn't have known that was going on. On. That's so scary. Shit's, like, in a weird position and moved and, like, not supposed to be where it is, and it's just, like, inconspicuously placed. That's fucking terrifying.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so scary.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And we're back.

[Steven Ray Morris]

So this episode was originally titled the

[Georgia Hardstark]

Halloween Special, but if we were naming it today based on the episode, maybe we would call it My Two Blouses.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, that would be a perfect one.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Or a cat on Prozac, which be tip of the hat to old Mimi. Or we'll name it Podcast. When Georgia talked about us coming together and having this baby that we named

[Georgia Hardstark]

Podcast, oh, my God. All right, well, thanks for listening, guys. We appreciate it. And let's go back to 2017 to say goodbye. Well, that was thrilling and scary and exciting.

[Producer/Editor]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Happy Halloween, everybody. Safe and sane.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Tina, Vince and I are going to be Simon and Garfunkel.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, you told me that, but then I thought you had a different one.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, we're gonna be Simon and Garfunkel.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love that from that 70s one. It's so good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Thanks for. Thanks, guys. We. You guys are the best. You guys. Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So fun. And thank you for everybody who sent those scary stories in. And, I mean, there's a lot of writing taking place. You guys, really, you laid it all out for us. So thank you so much.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Thank you. And stay sexy and don't get murdered. Heard by Elvis. Do you want a cookie? Elvis.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Elvis.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Steven Ray Morris]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

most, whether that's a date, a name, or a shared memory. You can make it even more meaningful with an engraving in your own handwriting.

[Steven Ray Morris]

Because the best Mother's Day gift says more than just a I love you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Find the perfect Mother's Day gift at your local Pandora store or [e-mail] Goodbye.

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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