Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 93: Live at The Grove in Anaheim

Summary

PODCAST SUMMARY

Podcast: My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Episode: Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 93: Live at The Grove in Anaheim
Release Date: April 22, 2026
Episode Theme:
A signature “Rewind” episode, where Karen and Georgia revisit their live Anaheim show (originally aired Nov 2, 2017), providing updated takes, case follow-ups, and flagrant nostalgia. They recap two infamous topics: the Daniel Wozniak double murder case and the notorious deaths at Disneyland, blending comedy and darkness in classic MFM fashion. Plus, listeners get a chilling hometown murder story from the audience, with heartfelt reflection, characteristic humor, and some irreverent detours.

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Main Themes and Purpose

• Revisiting Iconic Live Episodes: Karen and Georgia relive the Anaheim live show, reflecting on its energy, their nerves, and local crowd resonance.
• Case Re-examinations and Updates: New developments and lingering questions about the Daniel Wozniak case and Disneyland’s morbid history.
• Hometown Murders and Listener Connection: Sharing a wild, real audience-member story, reinforcing the show’s mix of true crime, community, and comedy.
• Unique MFM Tone: Friendship, banter, occasional oversharing, and a playfully dark sense of humor amid tragedy.

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Episode Breakdown & Key Discussions

1. Opening Banter & Setting the Scene

Timestamp: 03:01 – 22:25

• Karen and Georgia riff on being “local girls” and joking about their Anaheim/Irvine roots (“Even my high school was fucking tan. And stucco. Everything’s stucco.” – Georgia, 07:55).
• They muse on family dynamics, childhood Disneyland memories, and the misery of family vacations:

  “You don’t deserve Disneyland.” – Karen (09:20)

• Playful audience engagement, references to vodka-in-cups and the “family fight inn” hotel energy.
• Notable detour: Karen recounts getting lost at Disneyland as a kid and the family fallout that ensued (10:00-11:30).
• Jokes about donuts, fan gifts, and touring mishaps (donut dropped on bathroom floor, “five-second rule if it drops on the bathroom floor, you have to eat it”—Georgia, 14:42).
• Steven Ray Morris, the beloved audio producer, gets a local shoutout; his dad’s in the audience, leading to jokes about parental disappointment (“Look what you did to him!”—Karen, 19:31).

2. Rewind Reflections

22:26 – 23:33

• Georgia shares the show was her first “hometown” gig; Karen had previously done the Bay Area.
• They recall the lively, receptive Anaheim crowd and why that night stood out.

  “It was so loud and active… that audience was so into every second.” —Producer/Ad Voice, 23:06

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3. Story #1: The Daniel Wozniak Double Murder

Karen’s Story — 27:02 – 47:27

Case Summary

• 26-year-old Sam Hare, Army vet home from Afghanistan, murdered by neighbor Daniel Wozniak for $62,000 in savings.
• Sam’s friend and anthropology tutor, Julie Kibuishi, lured and killed to stage a “snap” narrative and misdirect police.
• A community theater dimension: Wozniak was a fellow performer, played in a musical the night of the murders.

Case Breakdown

• Wozniak’s convoluted scheme to steal Hare’s cash: fake ATM withdrawals, using a teen go-between.
• The murder weapon and bloody clothes found after police recorded a call from jail (47:11).
• Karen emphasizes the degree of manipulation and theatrical sociopathy of Wozniak, including his brazen stage performance hours after the first murder.

Memorable Quotes

• “Mostly because it involves community theater. You know there’s a problem.” – Karen (27:29)
• “He took all that being a sociopath and he brought it to the people.” – Karen (44:28)
• “Yes, I saw the goddamn body, is that what you want to hear?” – Daniel Wozniak’s taped police confession, quoted by Karen (41:04).

Case Updates

• Wozniak moved to a lower-security prison as part of a death row pilot program.

  “If I could, I would kill him myself. But that isn’t going to happen. So I want the harshest possible penalty.” – Sam Hare’s father, Steve, (48:16)

• Accomplice Rachel Buffett served a short sentence as accessory after the fact; released in 2019.

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4. Story #2: Disneyland Deaths

Georgia’s Story — 49:42 – 81:12

Theme

A comprehensive, morbidly fascinating list of deaths at Disneyland—bluntly delivered, irreverently contextualized with banter and local color.

Key Incidents Discussed

• Classic deaths from ride mishaps (Matterhorn, People Mover, Rivers of America), almost always involving safety violations, but sometimes corporate negligence.
• Grad Night emerges as a recurring fatal theme (“Post traumatic grad night” – Georgia, 68:26).
• Corporate stinginess: The 1998 Columbia Ship accident was due to the use of cheaper rope (74:17, “Nightmare about that…could have spent that money on hemp rope”).
• Audience audibly processes the grim stories, with comic asides on barf (Disneyland barf anecdotes peppered throughout, including Karen’s Judy Garland barf story, 77:20).
• Lighter moments: historic 1970s “hippies and yippies” took over Tom Sawyer Island, distributing reefers (79:14).
• 2013: A rider hit by a seagull on California Screamin’, but with “no injuries were reported” (80:36).

Notable Quotes

• “Apparently this child defeated the safety mechanism. Very strong upper body and a will to d—what are you talking about?” – Karen on Disneyland lawyers, 57:33
• “Don’t take your seatbelt off. Ever.” – Georgia, 79:05
• “Let’s not rely on the company that was started by an anti-Semitic to police themselves.” – Georgia, 75:07

Updates

• In late 2025, a woman in her 60s died after a medical episode following the Haunted Mansion ride (81:26).
• “Thousands and thousands of people…interacting, like, living their life in a concentrated way.” – Producer, on the sheer odds of medical issues at Disneyland, 82:15

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5. Hometown Murder Story: Audience Member “Catherine”

83:00 – 93:43

Story Highlights

• Catherine shares a secondhand murder story from her cousins, growing up near Phoenix, AZ in the '90s.
• The Bach family: guns everywhere, red stains on the walls. Jeremy Bach, 14, murders friend Brad Hanson during a “playing with guns” incident; body disappears in trash pickup.
• Police initially believe Jeremy’s accidental story, but grim evidence (blood, lack of aid) points to intentional murder.
• Wild aftermath: Jeremy asks Catherine’s cousin out on a bowling date while out on bail for murder (!), sends her love letters from prison.
• Junior high rumor: Brad’s body fed to the Bach family’s dogs.

Quotes

• “You can do it like seventh hand. I don’t give a shit.” – Georgia, on story provenance, 84:08
• “He would always call her my baby.” – Catherine, on Jeremy’s prison letters, 92:27
• “How does he look though? Just kidding.” – Karen, breaking the tension, 93:43

Update

• Jeremy Bach released on Oct 2, 2018, after ~20 years in prison (94:12).

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Noteworthy Quotes & Moments

• “I made it work for everybody. It was like I cared about others…Also, being drunk, you described me. I slur and I tell secrets to real. That’s all I do.” — The hosts riffing on their drinking personas (13:13)
• “Georgia’s vinyl rave pants”—running joke, potential alternate episode title (94:47)
• “Post traumatic grad night”—joking about repeated Disneyland grad night deaths (95:25)

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Structural Timestamps

• 03:00 | Entrance to Anaheim memories/banter
• 27:02 | Karen’s Daniel Wozniak story
• 47:47 | Wozniak case updates
• 49:42 | Georgia’s Disneyland Deaths
• 81:26 | Disneyland updates (recent death)
• 83:00 | Audience member Catherine’s hometown murder
• 94:12 | Hometown murder update
• 95:00 – END | Outro, audience thank-yous, and emotional close

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Tone & Language

Karen and Georgia’s signature blend:

• Morbid humor (“You don’t deserve Disneyland.”)
• Vulnerability (Karen’s childhood stories, Georgia’s hometown anxieties)
• Pop culture and audience engagement—shout-outs, playful heckling, deeply local references.

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For New Listeners

• You’ll get a mix of dark true crime, cathartic laughter, and relatable neuroses.
• The episode is packed with updates, interactive crowd moments, and classic MFM storytelling. Even grim stories include comic relief, and the dynamic between hosts and audience shines.
• The podcast embodies the community spirit of Murderinos—listeners participating and the hosts celebrating their quirks.

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Alternate Episode Titles (per hosts):

• “Remember Those Pants”
• “Huge Mice Are Coming For Us”
• “Local Girl Extraordinaire”
• “Post Traumatic Grad Night”

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Final Words

Stay sexy, and don’t get murdered!
Classic MFM—supportively sinister, always hilarious, and never boring.

Transcript

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[Audience Member/Guest]

My favor.

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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to Rewind

[Georgia Hardstark]

with Karen and Georgia.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

This is the show where we recap our early episodes with case updates, hot take revisions, and all the unlocked memories we can muster.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Today, we're rewinding to episode 93, which we named L at the Grove in Anaheim for obvious reasons.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

This episode came out on November 2, 2017. Let's listen to the intro of episode 93.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that's right.

[Audience Member/Guest]

That was scary.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We should have done it in the dark. We should do the whole thing in the dark.

[Audience Member/Guest]

What's up, Anna? That was scary.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

If it was Friday the 13th still, it would make sense. I know it's not.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's just Saturday the 14th. No big deal. Everything's super chill. How's it going, you guys?

[Audience Member/Guest]

Us too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Us too. That's true. For real.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Samesies.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're glad to see all your faces and that you're safe and sane

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

in this crazy world.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In this world. The Dodgers, we could be talking about. What'd you say?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

The Dodgers.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Audience Member/Guest]

I don't know. We're right By a baseball thing, you guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Am I right about the Dodgers or am I right?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That was pandering. You're welcome.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What does somebody. Is that you have to back it up somehow?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No. They've gone nine for 17 this year.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I don't know what that is. We were just standing in the back in the green room and there's a big screen TV with the game on. And we were both staring at it, trying to figure out if the game was over yet.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was trying to tell George that everything we were watching were automatic replays. I was like, this. No, this is a replay. And this is also a replay.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I don't think so. I think it's still happening.

[Karen Kilgariff]

George is like, it looks live. It looks really live to me. I'm like, that's how they do it. Why would they do that? They just use replays all the time.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And then Vince was yelling at the tv, telling it. Telling it what? Sports.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We fucking love sports, don't we, Murderinos?

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yeah. There's a tiny baby.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What's that tiny baby with headphones.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Take those headphones. A baby?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Let's teach them some swear words.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What you doing? We have terrible stories to tell you. Get ready for the world. Hi, baby.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Hi, friend. Hi.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Nope, can't see this far yet.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What if we did this for, like, we did this for nine full minutes.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Hi. Go, go, go, go. Hi.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cool.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Nope. Doesn't care.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Doesn't give a single shit.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Fair enough.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We got the rest of you guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Georgia's kind of a local girl. I hope you know that.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I forgot about that. And now I'm nervous. My sister wanted me to ask if anyone went to school with me or got high with me. Who's here tonight? I don't think so.

[Audience Member/Guest]

We can't remember

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

someone over there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They're liars.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

There is the wife of someone that I used to go to raves with here supposedly. So that's kind of cool.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, is it though?

[Audience Member/Guest]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Remember those pants? Come on, you guys. We don't have to pretend it's cool. Just the past. We saw the apartment Georgia grew up in. We drove. She. She was gonna knock on the door.

[Audience Member/Guest]

I had to pee.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hi. What's up? How's your day going? Can we look through your house?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Can I cry and walk through your house at the same time?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I've been a work through some serious issues in your living room. Do you have time?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

My therapist told me just to lay down in a fetal position in the place I grew up in. And I'll be better. So do you mind if I come in? Is the carpet still shag carpet from the 70s even though it's 20 years later?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No. Fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What color?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Brown.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Brown.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like all the rest of the city, dude.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Right?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Irvine is the biggest fucking city I've ever seen in my life.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No wonder I'm, like, fucking crazy and like, got everything pierced and tattooed like ran to LA immediately.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Beige.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Not beige.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Not beige.

[Audience Member/Guest]

I can't.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, it was nice. It was nice.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I have to say there's something very soothing about it, though, because you're just like, oh, we're at that same apartment complex. No, it's a 7 11. Nope, nope. Sorry. It's a grammar school. I see.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Even my high school was fucking tan. And stucco. Everything's stucco.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's really nice. This is not insulting to you at all.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I don't mean Anaheim. We're talking specific. Yeah, Anaheim's chill as fuck. You got that big Disneyland thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just name shit that's around the city. You have a really good Burger King. It's fast. They're friendly, delicious. Somehow cheaper than the other Burger Kings. There's the good Burger King by the freeway and then there's that gross Burger King that's out by that field. Don't go there.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Ew. Ew. We are staying at a hotel close by. And it's one of those hotels where I think the families go to Disneyland for like a week. So they have to stay in the place that has a kitchen, but it's like a tiny hotel room. And they all fucking are so sick of each other and hate each other. It was.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like the Family Fight Inn over there.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's just. I go, is that lady going out into the hallway to fight with her child? Because it was like a Doppler effect of, like, What? There was one lady that was just standing there going, lucy. Lucy.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

But angrier Lucy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She did it like 12 times.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. We were sitting in the room, like, working on our stories, and then we would just start laughing because it was like, in the other room. It's pretty great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You don't deserve Disneyland.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And then it just makes you think of all those family vacations. And then the reality of them is everyone fucking hated each other.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They hate each other.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, I'll tell you, when I. My first trip to Disneyland, age 5, 5th birthday. Thank you. That's not why we went. It's just. It was just a coincidence. They actually played it down.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Families are the worst.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love it because it was also Mother's Day weekend. So it was our family and the Mazzone family and then my Grandma Grace. And one of the first rides we went on was Pirates of the Caribbean. And I can remember this like it was yesterday. I was sitting in front of my dad the second we went through the restaurant lagoon, where everything is chill. And you go down that very small hill to go into the rest of the very chill ride for something. I didn't like how dark it was.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Well, there's also a skeleton talking to you about shit, man.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's not for five year olds on their birthday.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And so I just started screaming, of course. And I wouldn't stop screaming. And my dad. I remember my dad being in my ear and he kept pointing. There's like a little girl that was sitting. I can't. Next to us in the boat or ahead, or she was in a different. I can't remember. But he just kept pointing at her going, she's not screaming. Look at her. She's not screaming at all. She's shaming you so when we got out of Pirates of the Caribbean, we got into the line for the Jungle Cruise. But I thought my parents were taking me back onto Pirates of the Caribbean, so I got the fuck out of there and I failed. And I was lost for three hours in Disneyland.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Shut up.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Were they like, let her go?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I walked around by myself until I found a guy dressed like an old fashioned cop. And then I said, my family is lost. And they brought me to a tiny house that was child size. And that's when I knew things were bad. Things were about to start happening. I was like, oh, no, here's. This is the end of the thing where now adults come into play.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Or here's where you live forever. You live here now. Oh, my God, little girl, sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You have to eat this whole gingerbread house for the rest of your life. I just remember my dad coming in the door of the lost child's house like this. Like, get over here. Like a true monster. So pissed. And apparently while I was gone, my grandmother. All my grandmother would say to my mother is, I knew you'd lose her.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Ouch. Ouch.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So just fun, healthy times at Disneyland.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

When I was a kid, we would. Every Christmas, all the Jews and all the Muslims would go to Disneyland because there was nobody there. It was like awesome. And we were all, like. We were all friends and we were high fiving each other. Like, it was like we came together on Christmas.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Nice.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It was so great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's. That's actually Walt Disney's dream. Yeah, he was very low key about how much he wanted Jews and Muslims to come together, but it was his real fantasy.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

We were all like, fuck Christmas. Let's go to Disneyland.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Get some Chinese food together, right?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah, dude.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, it was pretty fun. And then the last. I've tried to take Vince twice to Disneyland. He's never been. Cause he's from. You know.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

yeah, we've walked in. Walked. And you keep accidentally going on like a day, you know, like a. Like a someone's day or a something day. And then it's like so crowded that I have a panic attack. And so then we just go and get drunk at the tiki bar.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yes.

[Audience Member/Guest]

And it's amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You fog it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's what those bars are for.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Their seats go up and down. You're like, what's happening? It's so fun. It's pretty great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I miss getting drunk at Disneyland.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You need a minute?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, can I just go back real quick to 1997? He was so good at it. I'm just saying, as a blackout drunk, you wouldn't have known until I fell down onto your shoes that I was a blackout drunk. Cause I just fucking. I didn't slur and I didn't try to tell you a fucking secret the whole time. I handled my shit. You know what I mean? I made it work for everybody. It was like I cared about others. Also, being drunk, you described me.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I slur and I tell secrets to real. That's all I do. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I stand on difference.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And then you. I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm sorry.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I'm not that drunk. Stop it. Stop it. Come here.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Also, when you're in drunk, time takes so much fucking longer. That's the problem. Most problem I have with being sober is just waiting for drunk people to get around to it or just like, let's pick up the pace. We don't have forever. Tell your secret now. Georgia, we have two rugs in Anaheim.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my. We each have our own rug.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, shit.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Don't touch mine. Karen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Plush.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Get off.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Stop it.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

My grandma made this one and Karen's grandma made that one. And they come with us on tour. It's pretty special. You guys, there's a sesame seed on yours.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, I'll get it. Oh, my God. What was the thing? You walked into the bathroom and dropped food on the bathroom floor. And then Georgia goes, five second rule. If it drops on the bathroom bathroom floor, you have to eat it.

[Audience Member/Guest]

What if that was.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And then I did it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that's the new rule.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You know what it was?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

So someone voodoo. Someone brought us donuts. Oh, zombie donuts.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Zombie donuts.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Thank you.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Thank you.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Thank you for. Is that you? Thank you. Oh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

A real zombie. You guys get out of here at your own pace. It's not a rush because they're very slow.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That was amazing. Thank you. I ate two and a half donuts. And then there was the one people keep bringing in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know, I just. I'm gonna turn into fucking Violet Beauregard pretty soon. It's not good.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Someone yesterday at the San Diego show brought us this, like, gorgeous coffin box. It was so beautiful.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And inside, the most gorgeous coffin. It was.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I know, it's weird. And inside were these little truffles that she had handmade of those peanut butter balls. Peanut butter balls with the Rice Krispies inside of them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Classic grandma Christmas dessert that you eat 70 of. And then you're like, what happened to me?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And each one had a little. A little frosting hatchet on it. Like a Doot. It was so cute.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Like a doot, little doot.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was like, is this the hatchet killing the brown head of the peanut butter? But, like, what is this violence? And George was like, it's just a hatchet.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, you're overthinking the hatchet.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I need a reason to put a hatchet on a peanut butter ball.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I feel like at this point in this podcast, how are you surprised that there's a hatchet on the ball?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm like, what's the storyline of his hatchet? Get the.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. And then we were gonna eat them all in the hotel. For sure.

[Karen Kilgariff]

For sure. Well, they were in my bag, so I was, like, being very. You know, people bring us lovely, lovely presents, and then we tried to divide them up just so we can carry. Everyone has to carry their own shit. And I was like, oh, the coffin's in my bag. Looks like I'm gonna be eating 50 peanut butter balls tonight. Oh, well, I guess that's fate. And then as we're standing to walk out of the theater, the bag just rips. I wasn't even moving. It was like God himself came down and was like, don, come on.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

We couldn't save them. We couldn't. We tried, but we got a picture of it. That's all that matters.

[Audience Member/Guest]

The baby is laughing. Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No, that was a fart.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yeah, you're laughing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He loves pee. Butterballs. Get up here.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Is he laughing at me?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That means we're pretty. When babies laugh, they think you're pretty. I'm serious.

[Audience Member/Guest]

You don't know that. You didn't know that rule. I'm so sad.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Why am I so desperate?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ooh, shit.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Peanut butter.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So we have actual information.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, this is my favorite murder of the book.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, yeah. Do you like?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's the information.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We have to. We might need to move that up to the top.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No, I like when I say it. When I say something terrible and then we introduce it. That's Karen Kilgariff, by the way.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, yes. Thank you. This is Georgia Hart Stark, by the way. Thank you, local girl extraordinaire.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Thank you. What did you call me? Extraordinaire.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Local girl extraordinaire.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. I called you dirty slut extraordinaire.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, my God. Thank you. Don't use that word. Don't use that word.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's gotta be something.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I know something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

His name is Steven.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, that's right. He worked. Look at him.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Wow. Steven. Local boy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Local boys. Stephen ray morris.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Where are you from. I'm from anaheim.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, my God. Get in your right now.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh, my God. So we're here. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited. I'm here. Oh, my God. The last time I was here, I saw michelle branch, so.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Her. That one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Steven's crying in the back row. No. This is my story.

[Audience Member/Guest]

I have to ask.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Did anyone go to high school do drugs with Steven? No. No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did you do drugs? Asking the audience questions they can't answer.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You're right.

[Audience Member/Guest]

I went for two years and then I moved away.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Say hi to all your friends.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, you know who is here? Steven's dad.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hi, dad. Somewhere. Hi.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Are you proud of your son?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Are you proud of your.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Are you happy? No. He disappoints me. Look what you did to him.

[Karen Kilgariff]

All right.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Go away.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Go away.

[Audience Member/Guest]

That guy. That guy.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What a guy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He makes it happen.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What? I can't hear you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Really?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

He makes it happen.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Is this a professional show? Is when the other person keeps going. What?

[Georgia Hardstark]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry. What was your joke?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I want to laugh, too. Listen, these shoes, I can wear them for an hour and 20 minutes, so we better get this show fucking. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How about you do just a quick walk? Yeah. Oh, my.

[Audience Member/Guest]

It gets weirder every time.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Cause I'm so uncomfortable doing it. Why don't you go, Karen?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, thank you. Why? I. I don't like high heels.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Look at those sleeves.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you. Thanks so much. Oh, that side really liked my. It's kind of upsetting.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Let's play the game of where. How high do our Spanx go tonight?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, okay. Whoever goes the highest wins.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Da, da, da.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They should make Spanx that color coordinate with your skin tone and hair color. And you just fucking pull that thing all the way up. Just get in like a sleeping bag, but really tight and just be like, how do you like me now?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

They got fake eyelashes on them so you look like a person.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Then you just start stabbing strangers. Yeah, that's the only thing people would use that for.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. I think we just got into the topic of the podcast, which is murder, because that doesn't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's a little too close.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Are we there? Are you saying you want to sit down? Sure, let's do it. Oh, I like you. Oh, that's a nice wide seat. Thank God. With some spinning action on the chair. Hello.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's gonna be distracting

[Karen Kilgariff]

just all the way around.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Hi.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Bye, Karen.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Hey.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's good action. That's good. English can you go all the way around on yours? Can you.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Hey.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can you go all the way around on yours?

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Or me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You. What if everyone had this chair? That'd be the best show ever.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It would not be distracting.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It would not. Everyone would have the best time.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It looks like we're. This is the perfect height to read each other's palms or like, have a.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're like. Wash your hands.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Wash your hands.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why don't you wash your hands?

[Georgia Hardstark]

You need lotion.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Your cuticles are horrifying.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

And we're back.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is a show we talk about a lot because it was my first hometown show.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We had done San Francisco and Oakland, so you had had your family and friends there. And so we did my hometown. And so I had nobody I knew there except for Steven.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Oh, but your family didn't. That wasn't a show they chose to come to.

[Georgia Hardstark]

No, it was LA is the family show.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Well, I love that because then you got to do it and you got to have your hometown experience without being worried about all the other people and their feedback and all the.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right, right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

All that.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

It was just like you got to have a very singular experience for yourself.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was fun. And Anaheim's cool, Irvine's not. So it did feel like, you know, it was good.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

I mean, it was, for me, more than good and more than fun. I remember that show, literally. I remember the room rocking back and forth. It was so loud and active and that audience was so into every second of every. Every moment. It was crazy.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. And I think the two stories we

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

did were like, pretty epic for that city.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like we just. It was. It was too good.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Like so good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Really fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Should we get right into it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sure.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right, let's get into Karen's story about Daniel Wozniak.

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

I know, I love simply say because I know that they won't trap you. But I know that the minute you sign up with them, you're going to want to stay with them forever. So it's kind of a win win.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye. All right, I'm gonna go first tonight, okay? And this story is super fucked, as they always are, right? And you probably know it. This is the murders of Sam Hare and Julie Kubiishi.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh yeah, this fucked up shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is fucked up shit. Mostly because it involves community theater. You know, there's a problem, okay. 26 year old Sam Hare and his family were very close. He had recently returned from serving in Afghanistan in the army. His family is thrilled to have him home. He started a new life for himself. He enrolled in Orange Coast College and. Right. An amazing, amazing learning facility out on the coast.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

My sister went there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, really?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

For a bit, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What were the. Do you know their mascot?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Orange County. I don't know. Oranges.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just the shape of the county on a shirt. Go fight in counties.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I don't know if they even had a sports program. Did they? I'm wrong. Whatever. All right, okay, go on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What about. Is it just the beiges? The fighting Beige? Okay, okay. He also moved into the Camden Martinique apartment complex in Costa Mesa. And it was totally from the, you know, 2000s. And the murder shows that I've watched, it was one of those apartment complexes where it's just a bunch of young people fucking hanging out by the pool, drinking Miller Lights.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Someone just realized that they live in that apartment building.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, really?

[Audience Member/Guest]

I heard her go oh shit or something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So they're just having a really public and loud response to that.

[Audience Member/Guest]

The fucking Martinique. I left my bike there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. So Sam makes plans to visit his parents for the weekend. And when he doesn't show up, his dad Steve immediately knows something's wrong. Cause the family's super close and he's a super responsible person that doesn't just flake out on things. So he calls Sam's phone over and over and Sam's phone seems to be off. Which Steve knew that there was a problem. With that, because he never ever turned his phone off. So finally, around 9 o' clock at night, he decides to drive over to Costa Mesa to check on his son. So when he gets to the apartment, he lets him. He had a key to the apartment as well. He lets himself in, it's silent. He's calling Sam's name, there's no one there. He's walking around the house and checking every room. And he finally comes, goes into Sam's bedroom and he finds the dead body of a woman who's kneeling on the floor, leaning over the bed with blood all around her upper body. And he immediately calls the police and Sam is not there. And so the police question him and ask him what's going on. And he was like, there's no way my son has anything to do with this. This is not who he is or what he does. And they eventually find out when they go in to investigate and look at the body. Her pants have been cut from the waistband down through the butt, through the seat, so that her butt was exposed. And on the back of her shirt someone wrote, all yours. Fuck you. There were no signs of a struggle in the apartment. It was just that body and that horrible scene. They found her purse there and they make the ID. She's 23 year old junior Julie Kibu Ishii. She had been Sam's tutor in anthropology. That's how they met. And they'd become really good friends and they were not romantically involved, they were just close friends. So Detective Jose Morales and Lt. Ed Everett with the Costa Mesa police are looking at the scene and they're worried that what's happening is that Sam, from his military background, has PTSD and he snapped and killed Julie and now he's on the run. That's what they're putting together. And of course Steve Hare was assuring them that he did not. And he was really happy and he was doing really well. But that's when they, when they find out that Sam's passport is missing, they are like, he's on the run, right? So as they're processing his apartment as a crime scene, they come upon a wedding invitation. And it's From Sam's neighbors, 32 year old Daniel Wozniak and his fiance, Michelle Buffett, sorry, Rachel Buffett. So they go to interview them and Dan and Rachel tell the police whatever every other interview eventually tells them, which is that Sam was kind, he was caring, he was really energetic, everyone liked him, he made friends really quickly and you know, he was like a popular guy in the apartment complex. So two days later, the autopsy comes back on Julie's body, and there's a couple surprises. She had not been sexually assaulted, which made them believe this probably was a stage scene in some way. That, along with the fact that there was no. There didn't seem to be a struggle. There was nothing knocked over. There was. It wasn't like that. On top of that, they had only seen one bullet wound in her head, so they assumed she was just shot once in the head. But the autopsy came back, she'd actually been shot twice in the head, and they just couldn't see the second wound because they were so close to each other.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Other.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So meanwhile, Sam's dad, Steve, is doing his own detective work because they shared a bank account that they had set up before Sam went to Afghanistan so that his checks from the army could just get direct deposited or whatever. I don't know if they were direct deposited, but, you know, some way conveniently

[Producer/Ad Voice]

put into the bank.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Does army have direct deposit?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm not sure. And those are the kind of things I add in just because I think. Think it sounds right. And then later on, people are like, excuse me, the army stands against direct deposit. And then I'm like, sorry. We'll make an announcement on the next show,

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

so let us know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, right. Please. But only through a handwritten letter.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Or direct deposit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or direct deposit. Right into our brains.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's fine, too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So it turned out that Sam had saved $62,000 while he. He was overseas. And Steve is monitoring the bank account. He sees that someone starts to use the ATM card in Long beach and taking cash out of the bank. And also ordering pizza.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You know, what you do with an ATM card. So he brings all that information, the record and all that, to the police. And when they check the security camera footage at the bank where the activity took place, the picture of the guy using the ATM card is not Sam. Cause they think Sam's on the run. He's just trying to, like, go to a different city and get money. But it's not him. It's a teenager. A teenager wearing a hoodie and big sunglasses. So they trace the pizza order to this house in Long beach, and then they stake out the house when they know that a second pizza order is someone screaming. Is it.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Don't ask.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is it barfing? Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I mean, we've had that more times than screaming.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're allowed to barf in the aisles and then crawl out. Yeah, it's happened before.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

But no screaming.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just don't scream. Listen, okay, so they go and they stake out this house in Long beach. And because they heard that another pizza order was coming. So then the pizza guy's walking up and the. The cops pull him into a van, grab his outfit.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yoink.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh my God. It's like fucking naked gun situation.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a little nuts, but they're like, we're going in undercover pizza style. And they put on his gross shirt and walk up to deliver the pizza. And when the door opens, the SWAT team just fucking goes into this house. And it turns out 16 year old Wesley Freilich and his friends are there playing video games and wanting to eat pizza and I'm sure smoking a ton of weed. So immediately he spills it to the police because it was like his mom was in her room. Oh my God, he was in so much trouble, you guys. But it turned out he says a guy had hired him to go extract money from the ATM every day. And the guy told him he was a bail bondsman and the account belonged to a criminal that he had just arrested. And he was just getting his money back from the bond. But he needed. Right, he needed Wesley to take it out. Since he was a minor, he couldn't be charged for that. And the police are like, who the fuck is this guy? And Wesley says, oh, it's someone my mom met at community theater. Daniel Wozniak, the guy who had invited Sam to his wedding. So on May 26, the police pick up Daniel at his bachelor party.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They bust, right?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

They waited on purpose for that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then they waited while they were in the bachelor party. They're like, we're about to totally fucking arrest you. What's that? Can I get two of those or what?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

If they came in and listen, they came in and cop out outfits. It writes itself.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're all under arrest for being too sexy. Do you know that happened to me once?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What? You got arrested for being too sexy?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Y. I didn't want to tell you because I had my record expunged, but no. On my 35th birthday at work, my friends. My friends who I worked with hired a stripper. And so in our morning meeting at the Ellen DeGeneres show, we're sitting in her office, really sexy, setting the sexiest of settings. We're in the office and an insanely hot guy wearing a police uniform that's open. The button is open down to there.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It's a telltale sign.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And he comes in, he's like. He had this insane accent. He was just like, does somebody have A Lexus. And I was like, what'd that guy say? And they're like, it's hers.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It's her Lexus. Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was like, what? And it was like, he was dressed like a cop, but he was kind of pretending to be a meter maid. Like, it didn't make. He didn't think the story through of what the trick was. And then he came in and just started freaking me. And it was 11am everybody. So inappropriate. It went on and on. I was like, I can't fight this. I want to fight it. I can't. I just have to kind of relax into it. And basically, he. At one point, near the end, he picked me up and then he laid me down on the couch and then began to simulate that he was going to go down on me. And I was like, this is my job. Like, ew, we can't do this here. And so I just leaned down and I grabbed his head and. And I go, that's enough. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. So for your best friend's next birthday, I highly recommend hiring a secret stripper.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay. Oh,

[Karen Kilgariff]

Why were we talking about that?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh, yeah. Back to the Murder She. Jesus.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Cause we're monsters. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I will take any fucking random noun and be like, oh, wait, can I tell you one thing? Okay. So they bring Daniel into the station to question him, and they show him the picture of Wesley in front of the ATM machine. And he goes pale. And so he goes, all right, I'll tell you everything. So he says that he and Sam had this idea that they were going to take the money out of his checking account or his account, which it could have been savings, out of his bank account. Bank. They were going to take all that 62 grand, I believe it was, out of the account. And then Sam was going to claim fraud, and then. Oh, it was the baby. I get it. We're not mad at your baby. Then they were gonna claim fraud, and then the bank would have to return the money.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

So he's saying that the dude who's supposedly on the run is in on it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, exactly. That they basically, they had this plan together that they were gonna steal this money and ultimately make, like, $120,000 or whatever. But then he said that Sam called him the night of the 22nd and said, I did something bad, and then told him that he murdered Julie.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Jesus.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And. And so the police were like, okay. They're kind of trying to put it together and see if it syncs up with, you know, the evidence that they have. And at one point they ask Daniel for DNA, and he kind of, like, his face changes a little bit. And then he's like, well, I was in the apartment. And then they're like, oh, do tell. And he says, quote, yes, I saw the goddamn body. Is that what you want? Is that what you want to hear? Community theater? Oh, I don't think in the real world ever, anyone has ever asked someone a question or told somebody something and yelled, is that what you want to hear? Like, you just are saying it. You don't give a shit if they want to hear it or not. If you're trying to tell them.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That has like a Cagney accent to it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, that's. See, hey, yeah, yeah, it's fakey. Fakers.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is that what. Okay, okay. Yes, I saw the goddamn body. Is that what you want to hear?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Coppers Line.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, no line. Then he says, I saw the two gunshots to the head. And the police are like, donuts, you're under arrest. Because there's no way anybody in the world. They're experiencing. Experienced police who were on the scene didn't know it was two gunshots until the autopsy came back. So they're like, he was there. He knows what happened. So when they tell him that, he just blurts out, I'm crazy, and I did it.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

I killed them both.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So here's what the truth of all of it was. And this is just. I mean, so he's broke, of course. He hasn't paid his rent in months. And he didn't have a job of any kind except for taking roles in community theater.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's not a job. It's not, officer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a passion. Sure, it's definitely an art. It's an art form for some, but that don't pay. So he basically was going further and further into debt. And they said he was from a relatively well to do family. So it could have been that thing where he's so spoiled that he's like, it'll work out. He kept it'll work outing it. That's based on my own experience. We were just kind of like, something will come and catch me on the way. Uh, oh. But the other thing was he had proposed to his girlfriend. So they had a wedding and a honeymoon coming up. He had zero dollars. And at some point, he found out from Sam that Sam had 62 grand. And then he was like, well, I want that money. And so he fucking makes this plan where he lures Sam his light. Fuck. Daniel Wozniak's light opera Company had played at. I respect it. I do. Opera singers are the most talented people on the planet. Light operators. Opera not as good. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. They had done a show in the Los Alamitos Joint Forces Training Base. Right. Such good light opera there. Right. And he asked Sam if he would come and help him move some boxes that were up in the attic. They go up into the attic? That's right. They go up into the attic. He leans down and Daniel shot. Shoots Sam in the back. And then Daniel shot him again and killed him. Hours later at the Hunger Artists Theater Company. He played the lead in the musical nine. What the fuck?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

He went from that to a lead

[Karen Kilgariff]

just right on stage. He took all that being a sociopath, and he brought it to the people.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hours later. And he was in that play with his fiance.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, Stephen.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We have pictures of this. Do you have pictures of that? Yes, that's them in that play.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What a douche.

[Georgia Hardstark]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know nine that well. Is that the one with that song nine.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You're asking someone who can't sing or

[Karen Kilgariff]

sit through a musical, but what's the answer?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Was his. Okay, go on. Sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Nothing. Was his fiance in on it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

What? That's.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I think that's why I said, never mind.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's what everybody wants to know.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You're telling the story.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, I get it. It's cool. It's fun to jump ahead, but here, because this is the most horrible part. He. After he was in that play, then he went back the next day to the attic where he had left the body and dismembered it. And then left Sam's body parts in Long Beach Park.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So then shortly after midnight the next night, he texts Julie Kibuishi with Sam Hare's phone and says, I'm having problems with my family. I need to see you now. Please come over. Now. He lures Julie to Sam's apartment, murders her there, and stages it to look like Sam snapped and murdered her. And then ran and then got this boy to start taking money out of the bank account. Like $800 at a time.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What the fuck?

[Karen Kilgariff]

What a fucking bad plan all around. Obviously. But insane.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Jesus.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So after his interrogation, he asked if he can use the phone to call his fiance.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And the thing that I learned in this, I believe it was. It was an ID channel show. I think it was called the Perfect Crime. And they taught me that when you make a phone call, not to your lawyer, but to Anybody else in the police station, they can record it.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I mean, yeah, like, I've never been arrested and I would expect that to be a thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, poor, poor Daniel didn't know. So he was like, hey, you. You can't tell Tim. You can't. That backpack Tim has, you can't give it to the police. And she's like, I'm going to give it to the police. And he's like, well, if you do, I'm doomed. And then she did. And inside the backpack was the murder weapon and Sam Hare's bloody clothes.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

His trial lasted five days. He was convicted by a jury in December of first degree murder for killing both Sam Hare and Julie Kibishi. And he was given the death penalty, and he is now in San Quentin.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

The death penalty.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. I mean, that was rough. It's awful.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. Let's think about it for a minute.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And we're back.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Karen, do you have any updates?

[Producer/Ad Voice]

There are a couple updates. In 2021, it was reported Daniel Wozniak was moved from San Quentin to a lower security California prison because he was in a pilot program for death row inmates, including rehabilitation and restitution minded work programs. As you can imagine, victim Sam Hare's father, Steve, was furious when he heard this saying, quote, it was a kick in the gate gut. It would have been nice for them to at least notify me. And then he said, here's the rest of the quote, but it's pretty awful, but it's so real for, like a victim's family member. He ends that quote by saying, if I could, I would kill him myself. But that isn't going to happen. So I want the harshest possible penalty, end quote.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I can't.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's so hard like that. I don't even think about it too much because it'll drive me crazy when, you know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Because a lot of times it feels like, you know, there's the individual cases. Right. There's people who are like, I was in a bank robbery and I accidentally killed the security guard and I didn't want to, but I shouldn't have been there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Blah.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

There's all these different types of murder, but that kind of like first degree.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Someone plotted.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Yep. And then it really feels like that should be off in another area with another kind of like, is there rehabilitation possible? And sometimes the answer is yes. It's just the constant thing I think we talk about where, like, the benefit of the doubt is always being given to these usually men who have just committed atrocities. And meanwhile, the victim's family isn't even getting a phone call.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fucking insane.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Yeah. Also, Rachel Buffett, who was convicted as an accessory after the fact to this murder in late 2018. That was six years after she was initially charged. She then served a short sentence and was released in 2019. Although she continues to maintain her innocence, she claims that she was fooled by Wozniak and that's why she was involved.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Hmm.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Interesting.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right, let's get into a topic that's been just one of my favorite topics since I was a child and I got to talk about it on stage for this podcast.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

got a pocket in the side like

[Producer/Ad Voice]

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[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Eyes on me. All right, well, I cheated. You know, when. Just let me get that right off the.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What if you just start reading your own poetry? You're like, look, here's the thing that

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I want to get to first, is that I'm pretty sure there wasn't paper in the printer when they printed this basket. Because I'm missing a paper, Vince.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Cause what?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You're missing a paper.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Stephen, can you get us page number three, stat? In the meantime, we just got a very official wave.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ooh. The backstage is all abuzz right now.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Someone's getting fired. Steven, it's you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're gonna have a staff meeting at the end of this show. Pacing back and forth.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

But I can start.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, well, you know what? Really quick. Can I ask you a couple questions about Anaheim?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, Irvine?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. Do you want to sit in silence?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No, I can start. Okay. So you know how we're all into true crime, but we all have these weird, like, sidebar things that we're into that have the same thing to do with true crime, but, like, are adjacent? Like, you and I, our first friend conversation was about a car accident. And I was like, tell me everything, because I'm fascinated by horrible things happening. In case they happen to me, I'll be ready. So one of those things for me is this. And so I found out we were in Anheim. I was like, oh, good. I can finally share this weird passion with everyone. Not passion. Fascination. Because when I worked at it, I just used to read this all the time. And when Snopes came along, I was like, thanks. Thank God, because this is the deaths that have happened at Disneyland.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yes. Really? Yes. So scared. Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Fucking tear those walls down. Tell us everything those motherfuckers are doing. We want to know.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I come get pulled off stage by Mickey and Minnie.

[Karen Kilgariff]

These huge mice are coming forward under the.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, I was really. As I came out here, I was like, wait a second. What if they all have good childhood memories of Disneyland and they're mad at me?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Look who's here, everybody. Yeah.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yeah, That's Vince.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Say hi to Vince. That's him.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Do you know what he just said to me?

[Karen Kilgariff]

What? Something dirty?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No. He said, you gotta check that shit, like, backstage.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Like, it's my fault.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I'm sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He's keeping you real. He's keeping your feet on the ground.

[Audience Member/Guest]

I'm busy.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Busy with a podcast.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh. And never mind.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I'm just not gonna. Let's be friends. Let's all be friends.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Let's Same.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

First. It's Just two of the first pages.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You know what? This is on ex.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

We are a classy podcast.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You know, it's hilarious. This is our actual job.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh, my God, you guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's how we're paid for a living.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Can you do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's very. We appreciate that.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This about. This is about as thorough as we

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

need to be on this.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Your fault. This is our job.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're enabling us, all right? And thank you for that.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I'm so excited because this is like, I fucking love this shit. And I'm accompanying it with some vintage Disneyland photos, which is my other. Nice.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And after that, we all get on

[Audience Member/Guest]

a bus to Disneyland.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

They're corn dogs, you guys. Okay, so, you know. So nine guests have been killed on Disneyland attraction actions since the parked open in 1955. All the deaths, except for two, were the result of guests who apparently ignored safety instructions and or defeated ride's safety. Like, it's like they defeated them. Like they were superheroes and they're like, you know, like maybe get better fucking safety mechanisms.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, that sounds like some Disney lawyer bullshit right there. It sounds like apparently this child defeated the safety mechanism. Very strong upper body and a will to d. What are you talking about?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's exactly it. It's called. What do they call it? Spin.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sure.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

All right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wagging the dog.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You know. You know. Okay, so here's the first one. May 1964. Mark Maples. He's a 15 year old long beach resident. But wait, he's killed. Told you. When he tried to stand up on the Matterhorn. Bobsleds. Don't do that. See, this is why 15 year olds shouldn't be allowed out of house. The house they fucking do. Shit. And it's boys especially. And it's really stupid. I mean, I love him. Marcos.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You should run for congress.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I'm sorry. I don't want to. Okay. It sucks. Maples unbuckled a seatbelt and attempted to stand up as the bobsled near the peak of the mountain. You know, he was like the joker of the class, probably.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What year was it?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

1964.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, yeah. They just didn't get how bad it was.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Probably.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, nothing had happened yet. So they're like, I can. I'm free at Disneyland.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, he lost his balance because. Probably because he was standing up on the bobsled on a fucking roller coaster. Thrown from the sled to the track below. Fractured his skull and ribs, caused internal injuries. He died three days later. So we're off to the races.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They're all Gonna die, you guys. Just so you know.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. And none of them are gonna be like, night, night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's not gonna be night. Sleeping Beauty has nothing to do with this story.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I went like this as if I didn't have the rest of the page to read.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're done with that.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I'm just thrown by Vince is shaming me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, he'll hear about it later and I will tell him I took my

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

ring off and threw it in there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No, I love that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Now that's a show.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay. June 1966. Thomas Guy, Cleveland, a 19 year old Northridge resident, is killed when he's attempted. Okay, so this dude attempts to sneak into Disneyland along the monorail track.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I know. It was grad night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The worst.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I still think about grad night and it hurts my feet. I hated grad night so much and I hated everyone in that park.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was so mad that I had to stay there and stay awake.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Is it a lock in kind of thing?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a fucking, like, you just. They act like you want to stay awake all night. That dumb. Oh, God, I'm so mad.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

This is really triggering for Karen. And I'm in to be respectful.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Grad night damage.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Post traumatic grad night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like the thing where it's like anything where like the first three hours, you're like, oh, my God, this is gonna be amazing. And then the second the fourth hour hits, you're like, let's stop this now. It sucks. It's not working out. Like, everyone thought they were gonna fall in love. No one's falling in love. Love. We all hate each other. Let's go home.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And then someone climbs over the monorail track. And actually when I was like a senior in high school, everyone had the Disneyland pass. You know, it was like $20 back then. It was a long time ago.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Really? How old were you?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

18. Oh, 17. So people, would you do this thing where you get a stamp and then when you get into the park, you'd come back out and you'd lick the stamp and put it on someone else's. On the back of someone else's hand on how you snuck in back then, Right? And then some kids would just fucking scale the fuck fence. Because this is before Disneyland was like, no, it was still like that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Anyways.

[Georgia Hardstark]

All right.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Grad night. 16 foot high outer fence and climbed onto the monorail track, intending to jump or climb down once inside the park. Which is like. It's like a monorail. It's like. Yeah, it's a monorail.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's up high.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So that's all you need to know about a monorail.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's what I meant. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

He ignored a security guard shouting warnings of approaching monorail. Train failed to leave clear of the track. He finally climbed down onto a fiberglass canopy beneath the track, but the clearance wasn't enough. The oncoming train struck and killed him.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's horrible.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You guys were excited a minute ago.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's let them process. They need to process.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. Okay. I've been reading this since I was 26. So since the Internet started. And I was like, Disney deaths was the first thing I ever.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Disney deaths, Deaths. Wait, can I, can I do an addendum to that story? Always my favorite story of somebody bumming out at Disneyland is my sister's friend Christine Tomasini was at Disneyland with her family and they were all standing kind of at something that. Near a monorail track or. No, sorry, those. The ones that are the open people movers that go. Yeah, the people mover. Where you're kind of like looking down over. So they were kind of near a people mover and she was just kind of looking around at the crowd and there was a girl that had really big curly hair that she kind of like noticed, like, whoa, that girl's hair is really big. And then all of a sudden, in one second the girl's hair went flat and she was like, what? And she couldn't. And then she realized someone from the people mover barfed onto that girl's head.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Just.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It's. It's the idea of a hair like a hair product commercial for a hair straightening, like hair straightener, like go from frizzy to flat. But it's like barf.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And I think she said it's totally be me lying because it would be better for the story. But. But I feel like she said then the girl barfed, which would make perfect sense, right?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's never happened.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I would barf if someone barfed on me.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, it's your duty. Listen, make it interesting for everyone around you, okay?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's called embellishment.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Try it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'll ask Christine.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Would you?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yes, I'll text her now. August 1967. Ricky Liyama, he's a 17 year old. Hawthorne Red, was killed when he disregarded safety instructions and exited his people mover car as the ride was passing through a tunnel. And like these were. Oh, are we putting. Okay, here's the people mover. Look at Stephen on his shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh yeah, great. Isn't it cute?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Look at how you can just step over the thing and get the fuck off of it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So do you think he was. He was thinking like, I'm gonna see what's in that cave?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No, I think he was just like goofing around with his friends and he was gonna go to the. Like his friend's car in the back, you know, goofing around like 17 and 15 year olds do. He slipped as he was jumping from car to car. Crushed to death beneath the wheels of the oncoming car. I know. Okay. June 1973. Bogdan Delaureate. Yep.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

An 18 year old Brooklyn resident drowned while trying to swim across the rivers of America. You know the. I think it's Tom Sawyer's island now or something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, is it?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, I haven't been there in a while, so it could be like. It's not. It could be like a modern day thing. I don't know. It's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's just a Del Taco now. Oh, we filled up those rivers with ground beef.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

You're going to love it.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Queso is the new thing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We filled up with Queso. Rivers of Queso. It's an integration.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay, well, anyways, he drowned.

[Karen Kilgariff]

See this show right when you start having fun.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

We were supposed to warn the newbies. But you've been warned clearly for the past 45 minutes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, they know. They're feeling it.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

So he and his 10 year old brother managed to stay on Tonsor island past its dusk closing time by climbing the fence separating the island from the settler's cabin. They like hid and they're like, we're

[Karen Kilgariff]

gonna stay like, you know they were gonna spend the night in Disney.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. And you know like how you want to do at the zoo all the time? Me? Is that just me?

[Karen Kilgariff]

What?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh my God. I want to stay at the zoo house. Closing time so bad because I bet there's so much fun at night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, the nocturnal animals would be right. But I think everyone else is asleep, aren't they?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I know, it's so cute though. Okay.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Do, do, do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I would like remember that book where there's like the teens that. They're like homeless teens that hide in the mall and then they come out at night. I think it's the.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I think that's called. What's. What's it called? Well, nope. It was going to be real funny.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Was it?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. How like Snow, Zombie movie,

[Audience Member/Guest]

Dawn of the Net.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Thank you. See? Would not have been great if I knew things. Say it more. Say more things. 100% sober, by the way.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Now I am 100%.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Say more things.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Say more things out of your mouth.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I'm not sure. I think I was done.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, I mean, it's just a child's book. I won't be able to remember the name of. And who gives a shit? I've already told 95 stories.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay. Duh, duh, duh. They decided. Okay. Then they were like, let's not do this. This is a stupid idea. Let's swim back. That's a better idea. So, because the younger brother didn't know how to swim. I know. Bogdan tried to carry. Carrying him across as he swam. He And Bogdan goes down about halfway across the river. And his brother remained afloat by dog paddling. Excuse me. Jesus. Until that was a burp. Until a ride operator hauled him aboard a boat. But Bogdan was nowhere to be found. They found it the next morning, his body. He said, I know there's another one. It's coming. I ended with, don't worry. I ended with two kind of fun.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It'll be fine.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Not death.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No, they're not deaths. They're like two funny things that happen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You don't owe them anything. Just fucking tell your story. Deliver it.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay. The day before I was born, June 7, 1980, Gerardo Gonzalez, a recent San Diego high school graduate, was killed on the people mover in an incident just like the one that Ricky Lee Gate had gone through 13 years earlier. Gerardo, in the early morning hours of Grad Night. Cancel Grad nights.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's just too dangerous for all of us.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Never let that baby go to Grad Night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Never.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

So he's again climbing from car to car as the people mover goes into the super speed tunnel, which is. That sounds like a mistake.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, they were like, oh, someone died on the people mover. I think we need to put super speed in it. Yeah, that's probably what would be better, right? Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And adjacent. Okay. The former America Sings building. I don't know why that's in there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's why the America's rivers thing, right? Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

He stumbles and falls into the track. Oncoming train of cars crush him beneath its wheels. June 4, 1983. Philip Strogham, an 18 year old Albuquerque, New Mexico resident, also drowned in the rivers of America. In yet another. Say it with me. Grad night incident.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Third Grad night incident.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yep.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm fucking right to the. Oh, I almost said president.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

We don't have one of those right now.

[Audience Member/Guest]

We're on our own.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, you know what? I'LL ride to the Rock. That's what I'll do.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's what I'll do. He'll fucking take care of grad night. Wouldn't that be amazing if the next grad night the Rock came in and just started fucking beating the shit out of everybody.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It's like Santa, he went around when like a reindeer is like Santa Claus. But grad night and beating people up, it's nothing like. It's nothing like Christmas. Never mind. I love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's Christmas for me.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What if I just love the idea that that's your new cause is ending

[Karen Kilgariff]

grad night for everybody and any other fun activities for seniors? We're shutting that shit down. They can't handle it. They have to keep standing up all the time. Oh, I need to be out here where I'm not supposed to be, says the 17 year old boy. Stop it.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, agreed. So he and a friend and they've been drinking quite heavily and they snuck onto cast members only area along the river and the cast members killed them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry, that was highly inappropriate and I apologize to everybody. I'm really sorry. That was wrong, but I just pictured Tigger killing them.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Have you seen the video where the, like, I think it's Pluto loses his shit. This kid keeps fucking yanking on his tail and he just turns around and starts chasing the kid. The kid's like. The kid's like, clearly a class bully until Pluto turns around and turns on him and the kid just loses his shit. It's funny because the kid's clearly a brat before and I in no way want children to be harmed.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't be upset, baby.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Don't be upset, baby. Anyway, okay, so they untie an inflatable rubber maintenance rotor. Nope. Untied an inflatable rubber maintenance motorboat. Thank you.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Yeah, you got it.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Deciding to take it for a joyride around the river. They're shockingly not trained in this. And they're unable to adequately control the boat. And they struck a rock near Tom Sawyer Island. Philip's thrown into the water, his friend goes back to shore to seek help, and Philip drowns long before his body was located an hour later.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, that would make sense.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't really get the word. They locate his body and then they

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

let him drown after that. Yeah, I didn't. This is Snopes writing. You know, journalists.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Get it together.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Snows journalists. January 3, 1984. Dolly Reagan Young. What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Pardon? Yes, sorry.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You are loving this. I mean, is this vodka in here?

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I've gone off the wagon.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

She's a 48 year old Fremont resident, California. She's killed on the Matterhorn. Stop clapping. I didn't pause for clapping. She's killed on the Matterhorn again. So here's the thing. Similar to the first Matterhorn.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What you just said she's killed on the Matterhorn. Again.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I meant like again, like the guy, like this guy who got it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep, we know. But it's still funny.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh, I get it. I don't need to explain it. You can just laugh. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She john snowed that shit came back. And then the Matterhorn killed her again. Okay.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

About 2/3 the way down the mountain, Dolly's thrown from her seat into the path of an oncoming bobsled. She comes pinned beneath its wheels. So they examine her sled because here's the thing, no one was in the seat with her. You know how usually it's like two people per seat? So she was alone in the seat. So they were like. Well, we don't know if she unfastened the seatbelt or if it malfunctions. Functioned. So she probably. It probably wasn't. It's probably her fault. You know what I mean? Yeah. Where it's like. But how many 48 year old women do we know that are on a bobsledder? Like it's yoink.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Nobody. That's why you don't let 17 year old boys on. Not 48 year old women.

[Karen Kilgariff]

48 year old women are like, I've finally got to be me.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Fucking leave the Matterhorn. Halfway through. No.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I'm gonna make my kids laugh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, bro, dude. Bro. Dude.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. Isn't this funny? I'm gonna high five that. What's the monster that's there? Yeti. Thanks, guys. All right. December 20th.

[Karen Kilgariff]

High five that monster.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You know that yeti that's in there?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sure.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

All right. December 24, 1998. In a tragic Christmas Eve accident, one Disneyland cast member and two guests were injured. Okay. This is the one I have nightmares about. Okay. A rope that's used to secure the sailing ship Columbia as it's docked at the rivers of America. You know the one that goes around? It was an inelastic hemp rope designed to break easily. It was improperly replaced for financial reasons by an elastic nylon rope which stretched toward the cleat from the ship's wooden hull. Fuck, I hate this. The cleat sails through the air and strikes the heads of two guests who were waiting to board the ship. Luan phi Dawson, who's 33 of Duval, Washington and his wife Liu Thai Viong, 43. And Dawson. No, Dawson's declared brain dead two days later and dies when his life support system is disconnected. Can you fucking. I have nightmares about that. And now you all will too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, also, here's what I have nightmares about. It's 1998, you said, and Disney is using cheaper race because they have to scrimp and save at Disneyland. Are you fucking kidding me?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, at this point, the accident results in the first guest death in Disneyland's history that was not attributed to any negligence on the part of the guest that they're telling us about and prompted a movement for greater government oversight of theme park operations and safety procedures. Because there was like. They were just like, there you go.

[Audience Member/Guest]

And.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And then at one point they were like, no, wait, they're like airplanes and all these things that we need to regulate, like airplanes. There were other things and I can't remember what they. Airplane. Trains.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like trains, trains, airplanes.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What else is there?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Automobiles.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Right.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's the natural progression.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You know what? Let's not rely on the company that was started by a anti Semitic to police themselves.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How about. I mean, it seems like if he's going to buy cheap rope, he's not going to give that much of a shit about anybody else.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

They got the victim's survivors brought in a lawsuit and settled for. They settled for $25 million. Yeah. Could have been more, you know, they could have spent that money on hemp rope.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, seriously, you cheap bastards.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. On June 25, 2000, a 23 year old woman from Spain exited the Indiana Jones ride. I don't know why I'm pointing at you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You know, I love that shit. That big boulder comes, you're like, what?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

So she exits the Indiana Jones ride and I put this in there, even though it's not really listed. She's complaining of a severe headache. She's hospitalized a day later, and later that day she's hospitalized. And later that day it was discovered that she had a brain hemorrhage and said it was because of the jostling of the ride. She died on September 1, 2000 of cerebral aneurysms. And the victim's medical costs were estimated at more than $1 million.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Wow.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

On September 5, 2003, a 22 year old man, Marcelo Torres of Gardenia, California, died and several other guests were injured when a locomotive separated from its train along the tunnel section of Big Thunder Mountain.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And here's the. Yeah, I got barfed on that ride. I didn't want to tell you guys.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Why not?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I don't know. It's gross.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We love hearing all that shit.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. Yeah. Someone in the. We were going around. It was my ex and I, and it was like our first ride there and it was so fun. Like, we were going around the corner and someone in the front barfed and all of us. Yeah. And then we had to stay on the ride for the rest of the time. And everyone on the ride was just like, oh, my God.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because Disneyland's like, it will cost too much money to end the ride now.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We have to for efficiencies and financial gain.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. He and I broke up pretty quickly. Atlanta.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No relationship can withstand being barfed out like that.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

You can't look at each other again.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know there's a comic, and I wish I could remember her name because she's so funny. She's a New York comic. And she tells this fucking amazing story of being at a New York county fair when she was like 8 years old. And it was in the late 60s or whenever, before Judy Garland died. And Judy Garland was there with Liza Minnelli and her other daughter. Sor Me. And they went onto one of those rides, that spinning thing that then turns and starts spinning like that. And so this guy. I wish I could remember her name. She basically got in line with the Garlands, the Garland Minnelli's, just so she could get on the ride faster. Just. She looked like she blended in. And they got onto the ride and then as it started, Judy Garland started barfing. And they all got splashed with Judy Garland's barf on that ride.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It's kind of special.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, it's collector's item for sure, but.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Anyways, so Locomoto.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is the new podcast. Barf stories.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Sorry.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Locomotive separated from its train along a tunnel section of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. He bled to death after suffering blunt force trauma. And the cause of the accident was determined to be improper maintenance. So this is the other. Not his fault. One investigation reports and discovery by the victim's attorney confirmed that the fatal injuries occurred when the first passenger car collided with the underside of the locomotive.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, it's from here.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so those are the ones that have happened so far. Let's hope they're the only ones that ever happen. Don't take your seatbelt off. Ever. What is happening? I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It sounds like there's a giant pounding on the outside of the building.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It's Walt Disney.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is it him?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're sorry.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Reanimated.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're sorry. You cheap bastard.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

All right, so there's the two that aren't murders. Death. So we all feel better. August 6th, 1970. And my dad told me this when I was a kid, and it made me so happy. 750, quote, and this is how it's written. Hippies. And quote, radical yippies, they used to call them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Worse than hippies.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. Infiltrated the. And took over the Wilderness fort, which I think is. Which is now the Tom Sawyer situation. They raised the Vietcong flag. Whoa. And passed reefers out to passerbys.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Shit, girl.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

They were like. They took it over. What's wrong?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Nothing.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Is he shaming me still backstage?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No. You paranoid lunatic. My head turned to the side.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I know.

[Audience Member/Guest]

I got scared.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Listen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That makes sense.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Look, Listen to me. A platoon of Anaheim officers in full Reich, you're poured into the park from the backstage areas to get them the fuck out of there. 750. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's a shit ton.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then so much pot in Disneyland.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. You're like, what is that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It smells like a skunk.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Mommy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's happening?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

All right. And finally, on New Year's Day of 2013, a writer in the front row of the thing called California Screamin'.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, yeah. That's a big roller coaster.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Front roll of the roller coaster. Here he goes. He's hit in the face by a seagull. No injuries were reported.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh. Oh. He didn't die.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Yay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I was like, that's the saddest one of all. I know to go out by seagull. I know.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Seagull to the base.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Poor seagull is like, what the fuck?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I'm just trying to go down this roller coaster.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm just trying to fly over this park. Oh, my God.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

That's awesome.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, that's. That's Disneyland X.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That is Disneyland X.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Thank you.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Okay, we're back. Are there any updates to Disneyland?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Actually, yes, there are updates to Disneyland beside all the snacks that they have every season that are new that I'm obsessed with, even though I'm not going to Disneyland. Disneyland. There's no fucking way. So there has been at least one additional death linked Disneyland since this episode aired. In late 2025, a woman in her 60s suffered, quote, an unfortunate medical episode, end quote, per the Anaheim police, shortly after finishing the Haunted Mansion ride. She was pronounced dead later that evening at the hospital.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

I feel like I remember, but this is that kind of thing where it's like that idea that someone, like, their blood pressure would Go up or they would suddenly, it's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

It's surprising it doesn't happen more.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

I was literally just thinking that it is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And so of course it's going to happen at Disneyland, because it could happen anywhere. And you do get.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

You know, it's thousands and thousands of people all day long interacting, like, living their life in a concentrated way.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It's like right then, little Karen wanders

[Georgia Hardstark]

away in the middle of it and

[Producer/Ad Voice]

lives on Peter Pan island forever for hours.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

I love it. Okay, now let's head back into the episode and we'll listen to the hometown from Anaheim.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Well, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is it time to do a hometown murder?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

It's time to do a hometown.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think there's an open mic somewhere. Hold on. Let's be reasonable. Somebody didn't stand up with a piece of paper in their hand, point at themselves and then go to the bathroom when they got picked. That's fucking. There she is.

[Audience Member/Guest]

There she is. Hi.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I told you.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Shaming you.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Hi.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's your name?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Catherine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Hi, Catherine.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

She doesn't have a panic attack.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's a lot of people right here. You can bring the house lights down, sir. Thanks. Or ma', am, but probably not.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

What was your. Tell me your name again.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Catherine.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Oh, you have one of those.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Catherine.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Catherine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Hi, Catherine.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Where are you from?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Originally from Montana, but I live in Costa Mesa now. Yeah, I live like a mile from Camden, Martinique, and there's several times.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is that pretty great?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

No, but that story really freaked me out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, it's crazy, right?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But you can't read.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah, we need you to.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Well, I didn't know how many drinks

[Karen Kilgariff]

I would have before this,

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

so I typed it up just in case.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, but can you do it off the top of your head?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

I think so.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then I'll check your work.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay, great. Can I just say that this is why I stopped drinking before the show? So I didn't have to. I don't know what I'm saying.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I guess.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Get it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I respect your control.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

I don't have a great hometown murder, but my best friends are my cousins and they have an amazing hometown murder. And they told me if I had the opportunity to get up on stage, I had to tell their story.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We love a Jason second hand.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That's cool.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You can do it like seventh hand. I don't give a shit.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

So my cousins. In 1995, my cousins were 13 and 10, and they lived in Ahwatukee, Arizona, which is right outside of Phoenix.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Shit.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

And their mom worked As a maid for a family called the Bach family. And they were really wealthy and they had a huge house and she just worked there every day as a maid. So they became really close to the family and Mr. Bach, the dad asked them to move into the house and be like a full time housekeeper. But the mom had some weird feelings about him and about the family. So it never happened. But that was kind of always happening. They were always asking to move in. Julia, my Cousin, who was 13, became really good friends with the son Jeremy. They went to the middle school together. He was a year older than her. And they would walk home from school every day to Jeremy's house and hang out there while her mom was cleaning. And then she would just go home with her mom at the end of the day. And she said Jeremy was kind of a weird guy. He would always tell like dirty jokes around and just do like weird 14 year old kind of things. But she said he was kind of hot. He looked like a young Matt Dillon.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh my fucking God.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Give Karen a minute picture.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Here's. Do one dumb joke and I'll tell you what I would have acted like around this person.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Okay?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just do a bad joke.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Karen, your hair.

[Audience Member/Guest]

My God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sorry.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

She was willing to overlook some of the weird things.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Hell yes.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Because he was cute. Another weird thing about the family is that they had guns stashed all over the house. They would find them under the couch and in the kitchen cabinets and all over the place. So it was kind of a red flag. And their mom said one day when she was cleaning the house, there was red spots on the walls that she cleaned off. And she said they were definitely not spaghetti stains. So she wasn't sure what they were.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well then bleach them right off then.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Lots of red flags. But they were close to the family, so they still worked for them and hung out at the house. Then one day, the 14 year old Jeremy was arrested for the murder of his friend Brad Hansen. And Brad had been missing for two months at the that point. Jeremy was originally questioned when Brad went missing. And he had told investigators that they had skipped school the day that Brad went missing. And they had hung out at their house and were playing with a gun and it went off in Brad's hands and that he panicked and rode away on his bicycle. So police for two months were investigating it as a missing persons case or like a run case. Didn't think anything weird had happened. But then two months later, right before the arrest happened, some trash collector. Is that the right term? Trash collectors, Garbage men Garbage man, trash collectors,

[Karen Kilgariff]

sanitation workers.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

That's sanitation workers.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Garbage person doesn't sound right. No.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Sanitation worker.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sanitation worker.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Sanitation worker. Came by the Bach house on their weekly pickup, and they noticed that the trash can outside the Bach house was covered in blood. And it raised some red flags for him. I mean, one would hope. And he called the cops, who came and investigated, and they determined that blood belonged to Brad Hanson. So they interrogated Jeremy a second time to find out what happened. And he told them that he had lied the first time and that would actually happened was that they had skipped school and were playing with the gun in the house, and that it had gone off in his hands, and he had accidentally shot Brad in the chest and had killed him, and that Brad had bled out. And then after he had died, he put Brad's body into a trash bin, which he put on the curb. And the trash the sanitation workers took away the next day and never to be heard from him again. But the cops did not believe his story because they said that it would have taken Brad nearly an hour to die after the shot. And so he. Jeremy, never went for help. So it was pretty obvious that it was intentional shooting. So they had a few theories. They thought that maybe it was intentional and that the boys had been arguing about a girl that they both had dated. That was possible. There's also some speculation at the time that Jeremy's father had helped him dispose of the body. It's kind of an ongoing thing. And then my cousin did tell me that there was a rumor that went around the junior high that the police dogs had picked up Brad's scent and followed it to the backyard of Jeremy's house. And they believe that maybe he was fed to their German shepherds.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's junior high bullshit.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah, it's totally a junior high rumor.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Come on.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah, so that's just all speculation, But Julia and Chrissy's mom did definitely clean up the crime scene. It did happen in the kitchen.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Unknowingly.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah. She had no idea. So she said she was in there when the cops did the luminol test. And they had her point out where all the blood spots were that she had cleaned up. And she said when they turned that black light on that the whole kitchen lit up.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Oh, my God.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

So, unfortunately, Brad's body was never recovered. They think that it was probably taken to the landfill. But by the time they had all this information, it was two months later. So there's no way they could ever have found him. So eventually, Jeremy is put on trial for second Degree murder. And some funny things happened to my cousin during this time. While Jeremy was on trial, his parents were pretty wealthy, and they got him out on bail. And. And at that time, he called my cousin and asked her out for a date, and her mother allowed her to go,

[Karen Kilgariff]

Mom.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

And they went bowling.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God, I love bowling.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

He had great jokes.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

And when I asked my cousin about this this week to make sure I had all the facts right, just in case I got up here, I was like, what the hell was your mother thinking? Like, that's insane. And she's like, what the fuck?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I know.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Like, I realize that now. It's totally messed up. So he was brought up on trial for second degree murder. He was found guilty and sentenced to 22 years in prison. And at the time that he was sentenced, he was only 15 years old, so he was the youngest. I don't know if he still is, but back then, he was definitely the youngest person in Arizona history to ever be convicted as an adult.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Wow.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

And so there was a lot of media that happened around it of media frenzy that happened around this trial. And one of the things that happened to my cousin was that she was driving with her mom. I don't know if it was past the courthouse or past the box house, but there's reporters outside, and they flagged down the car and knocked on the windows, and they're yelling inside like, can we ask some questions? And my cousin at the time had a really short pixie haircut, so she kind of looked like a boy. And they're like, jeremy, Jeremy, can we get some information from you? Can we ask you a question?

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

And they thought he was. She. Oh, God, high school sucks.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

And her mom got deeply offended by this, and she rolled down her windows,

[Karen Kilgariff]

and she's like, that's my daughter.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

You head away.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Oh, my God, that took me.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

And so he went to prison for 22 years. He was sentenced in, I think, January of 98. And once he got to prison.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'll check. Yep, you did it. Every single word has been perfect so far.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

I'm not very good at winging it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I think you are.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Once he got to prison, my cousin thought this was all over, and she never had to think about it again. But then she started receiving love letters from prison.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

This just gets better and better.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

And Jeremy was asking her if she'd marry him, and she said it really creeped her out because he would always call her my baby. And she said the best part about it all was that he said at one point he asked her if she had been hassled by anybody in school for being his friend. And he said, give me their names because I'll totally kick their asses. And she's like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

With a gun?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Yeah. She's like, I don't think the weight of all this trial stuff has really gotten to him yet because he's not gonna get out of prison for 22 years. Middle school will be a distant memory.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Everyone else will be. I'm like, God, that's crazy.

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

So she said, it's like a total distant memory. Like, it's not something she really ever thinks about. But I looked it up this week because I was coming here to the show, and I realized that 22 years of the sentence means he's gonna be out in two years. And so I asked Julia if she felt worried if he would get out, if he's held a candle for her for all these years or what. And she's not worried at all. But I'm like, gotta lock your doors.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah. But her mom let her go on a date with a murderer, so, like,

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

it's probably the last date he had before prison.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Right?

[Guest Speaker/Contributor]

Like, you know, just gotta follow all the murderino rules here and not get murdered.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How does he look, though? Just kidding. You did amazing. That was so good off the paper.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Great job. So good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So good. Do you want your paper back? Here, give it a scrapbook.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

That that away, I think.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you. That was so hot. Awesome.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Okay, we're back. Now, Georgia, do you know if there's any updates on this hometown?

[Georgia Hardstark]

I do, actually. So Jeremy Bach was released from prison on October 2, 2018. So a while ago now after serving approximately 20 years of a 22 year sentence.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

You had to give that update because it's your hometown. So you're responsible for all of the. The civic events and legal events that happened there.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Sorry.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Okay, so this episode was originally titled Live at the Grow in Anaheim, but

[Georgia Hardstark]

if we were naming it today based on something that happened that's fun and funny that happened in the episode, maybe

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

we would call it Remember those Pants

[Georgia Hardstark]

about my fucking vinyl rave pants.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

I will bring up Georgia's vinyl rave pants any chance I get. The more people there to witness it, the better, as you, you should. Also joking that Huge Mice are Coming for Us is a pretty great title for this podcast or a death metal band.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, yeah, that is a good one.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

It works.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Local girl extraordinaire. That's me.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

Yeah, that's the banner I would make for you.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Producer/Ad Voice]

And of course, post traumatic grad night, which Is Georgia talking about how much I hated grad night?

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is some really good choices.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Ptgn. All right, you guys, thanks for listening to Rewind. Let's go back to Anaheim at the Grove to say goodbye.

[Audience Member/Guest]

That was great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God. You guys, you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you so much,

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Anaheim. Thank you for making our first Orange county show so great. I was a little nervous, I'm not gonna lie. I peeled off all of this nail polish. Cause I was nervous, not my middle finger. So thank you for making my hometown first show fucking awesome. Love it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's a good feeling, right? That's a good feeling.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Feels great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

This.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I feel like this crowd is kind of one of the best we've ever had. Just like, honestly. So makes me happy when people like comedy. It's so much more fun. They're not mad at you.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

No. Thank you guys again.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Also. Just we joke about it, but like you, because you guys listen in, tell your friends to listen and support us so much. We get to do this for a living. And it is so fucking fun. And we really, really appreciate it. So insane. We love it. It's so exciting.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So stay sexy and don't get murdered.

[Georgia Hardstark (alternate or guest)]

Thank you.

[Audience Member/Guest]

Thank you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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