Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 96: Live at the Hard Rock in Orlando

Summary

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Podcast Summary: My Favorite Murder – "Rewind with Karen & Georgia: 96: Live at the Hard Rock in Orlando"

Podcast: My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Episode: Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 96: Live at the Hard Rock in Orlando
Release Date: May 13, 2026
Episode Theme:
Karen and Georgia revisit their 2017 live show at the Hard Rock in Orlando, sharing updates, behind-the-scenes stories, and their signature blend of true crime tales and irreverent humor. The episode features in-depth recaps of the "Black Widow Killer" Judy Buenoano and the infamous Eileen Wuornos, plus a memorable hometown murder story from an audience member.

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Main Episode Highlights

1. Revisiting the Orlando Live Show Experience

• Opening reflections: Karen and Georgia reminisce about performing at the Hard Rock in Orlando, recalling the venue’s amphitheater feel, supportive staff, backstage antics, and their nervousness at "faking it" in such a big space.
  • “I just kept thinking, they’re gonna kick us out when they find out who we are.” – Georgia (25:35)
• Pre-show adventures:
  • They describe hitting up Waffle House (Karen’s first time – “Unbelievably regular... those biscuits!” - 06:49) and antiquing in Plant City.
  • The quest for a haunted or creepy gift for the "hometown murder" participant (which leads to the infamous "Lady Buxton" jewelry box).
  • The Lady Buxton saga: Buying a vintage jewelry box, ultimately giving it away to a teary local mom who reminisces about her own childhood jewelry box (13:03–14:23).
  • “We were all like, we’re the best people in the fucking world. It was the best.” – Karen (14:07)

2. Classic MFM Banter & Florida-isms

• Jokes about screaming fans versus Orlando’s roller coaster noise.
• Local color: Drunken horse DUI headline, elevator mishaps, family arguments in hotel lobbies, and the discovery of Land O’Lakes being a real place.
• Running bits about weird gifts, haunted antiques, and the quest for positivity boards (15:12, 90:19).
  • "Edward, get in here now. Stop using the positivity board!" – Karen (90:39)
• Mention of Florida’s penchant for true crime legends: “Florida was not the state I didn’t want to go to. I wanted to come here because you guys just have so many murders.” – Georgia (101:12)

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True Crime Stories Covered

Judy Buenoano: "The Black Widow Killer"

Main Segment: 32:14–58:49

Summary:

Karen takes the audience through the chilling case of Judy Buenoano, an Orlando-area woman who murdered multiple husbands, a boyfriend, and her own son for insurance money.
Key Points:

• Background: Judy’s early life was marked by abuse and trauma (33:41).
• Murder Spree:
  • Husband James Goodyear poisoned after Vietnam (34:33)
  • House fire, insurance payout, relationship with Bobby Jo Morris (35:18)
  • Morris dies by arsenic; Judy cashes multiple insurance checks (36:53)
  • Son Michael debilitated by arsenic, then drowned in a staged canoe “accident” (39:44–42:43)
  • Opening of the beauty salon “Fingers and Faces” with insurance money (43:21)
  • Boyfriend John Gentry: attempted poisoning and car bomb, survives (44:26–47:07)
• Investigation & Conviction:
  • Police uncover arsenic poisonings and insurance motives (51:00)
  • Physical evidence ties teenage son to car bomb, but he’s acquitted
  • Judy convicted of murder and sentenced to death (52:55)
• Notable Quote:
  • “Remember the fact that you just cheered for Judy? Because you’re going to regret that later.” – Karen (34:15)
• Memorable Detail:
  • Judy’s cold final meal: “A salad of broccoli, tomato, and asparagus. Go fuck yourself. Fuck you, Judy.”* – Karen (55:39)
  • Recitation of Judy’s own poem “Masks” (57:04)

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Eileen Wuornos: The Highway Serial Killer

Main Segment: 64:01–92:47

Summary:

Georgia recounts the tragic and notorious case of Eileen Wuornos, Florida’s infamous female serial killer, giving depth to her upbringing, crimes, and media legacy. Key Points:

• Early Life:
  • Born to a 14-year-old mother, abandoned as a child, abused by grandfather, resorted to sex work by age 16 (65:43–71:22).
• Spike in Violence:
  • Marries 69-year-old at 22 (“May-December romance? They don’t like love.” - 71:56).
  • Relationship with Tyra Moore: her stabilizing partner, but Eileen becomes controlling, supports them via sex work (74:47)
• Murder Spree, 1989–90:
  • 7 men murdered along Florida highways: shot at close range, often left in remote areas. (77:25–81:29)
  • Increasing carelessness: witnesses, car accidents, fingerprints left behind, leading to arrest at Port Orange’s Last Resort biker bar.
• Investigation, Motive, and Aftermath:
  • Tyra Moore testifies after striking a deal (82:09)
  • Eileen claims self-defense, later admits robberies as motive
  • Public spectacle of her trial and the stranger-than-fiction "adoption" by Arlene Prale (83:45)
  • Diagnosed as a psychopath (score: 32/40) and with borderline personality disorder (85:18)
  • Executed by lethal injection in 2002 (“I’d kill again. I have hate crawling through my system.” – Wuornos)
• Discussion of empathy, systemic failures, and why her story draws so much attention.
  • “She had it real bad. But there’s lots of people that have it real bad. That’s the thing.” – Karen (92:50)
• Recent Update:
  • 2025 Netflix docu “Eileen: Queen of the Serial Killers” recommended for further detail (93:17–93:36)
  • Owner of the Last Resort bar claims Eileen’s ghost haunts the establishment (93:42)

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Audience Hometown Murder Story – "The Lazy Pig"

Segment: 95:51–99:11

Retold by: Kristen (Orlando local, live at the show)

• Kristen recounts her mother’s best friend Catherine’s unsolved 1970s murder:
  • Catherine’s fiancé’s best friend Danny hated her and was secretly in love with the fiancé.
  • Catherine is found murdered and stuffed in a car trunk, which Danny leaves behind a restaurant called "The Lazy Pig"—a cruel reference to his nickname for her.
  • The case remained cold until “CSI-like” advances led to Danny's arrest over 15 years later.
• “The Lazy Pig is the fucking worst.” – Karen (98:57)
• Group reflection on trusting one’s instincts about "friends of the boyfriend" (99:24).

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Notable Quotes & Characteristic Moments

• On Florida’s true crime legacy:
  • “So excited... It was an embarrassment of riches.” – Karen (101:21)
• On kindness and murder podcast culture:
  • “We really appreciate you guys all being here, mostly because you are enabling us to have this be our only job, which is nuts and a dream come true.” – Karen (101:34)
• Bantery wisdom:
  • “Don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys.” – Karen (99:38)
• Recurrent in-jokes: The haunted jewelry box, positivity boards, “Fingers and Faces” as the world’s worst beauty salon name.

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Episode Timeline & Timestamps

| Time | Segment/Event Description | |----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:25–03:48 | Hosts introduce the rewind format and reflect on the live show | | 03:48–14:23 | Backstage stories, Waffle House, Plant City, Lady Buxton saga | | 16:21–18:36 | Orlando anecdotes: hotel drama, elevator stories, local color | | 32:14–58:49 | Karen’s detailed retelling of the Judy Buenoano case | | 59:01–62:18 | Georgia’s introduction and deep dive into Eileen Wuornos | | 93:14–94:05 | Case updates: Netflix documentary, Last Resort bar hauntings | | 95:51–99:11 | Kristen’s audience hometown murder: “The Lazy Pig” tragedy | | 99:54–101:34 | Wrap up, episode reflections, gratitude to listeners |

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Summary & Tone

The episode exemplifies what makes My Favorite Murder beloved: the ability to blend harrowing true crime tales with compassion, curiosity, and irreverent wit. Karen and Georgia are authentic and hilarious, alternating empathy for trauma with deadpan reactions to criminal absurdity. The live format sparks crowd engagement, creating communal moments of shared horror—and laughter.

For True Crime Fans:
This rewind episode offers juicy updates, the color and chaos of Florida true crime, and just enough personal narrative to connect listeners to both the hosts’ lives and the heart of the stories.

For New Listeners:
You’ll find this episode both entertaining and informative—a strong demonstration of MFM’s signature style. Expect dark humor, empathy, random tangents (eggs as taco shells, hotel elevator paranoia), and deep dives into headline-making women murderers.

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Stay sexy—and don’t get murdered.

Transcript

[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Hello, hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

[Georgia Hardstark]

This is the show where we recap our early episodes with case updates and hot take revisions and all the unlocked memories we can muster Today.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

We're rewinding to episode 96, which we named Live at the Hard Rock in Orlando. Because we are at our live show in Orlando, Florida at the Hard Rock. That was great. Yeah, Amazing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Absolutely. Memory. Hold this one. This episode came out on November 23rd, 2017. So let's listen to the intro of episode 96.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

What's up, orlando? Oh, my God. Vince is so fired. He left his sunglasses up here.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, I thought. I honestly thought you, like, secretly brought them on stage. Like, here's my hilarious joke.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

This is for Orlando. No, Vince straight up left his sunglasses.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You're fired. We have a smaller meeting after this show.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Fired, divorced, everything.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I have to just tell you guys right now. The second wave of screaming that hit a new high. I've never. I don't think we've heard that before. Yeah. Fucking rock and roll at the Hard Rock Cafe, everybody.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, they're screaming outside because there's a roller coaster. But it's really weird if you, like,

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

don't think about that.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

There's just screaming outside.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm going to admit something to you.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Go ahead.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We got out of the car to go into the back, you know, artist entrance, and I heard some distant screaming. And I was like, guys, guys, guys, we'll see you in a second. And then it was like a roller coaster. Go. Just like, oh, no, I've lost my mind already.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Getting too big.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm such an a. Already.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You guys got us screaming, which is cool because Tampa got us an active serial killer.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. That was nice.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You made up for it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What a gift. I mean, what an amazing on brand gift for us.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We were honored. Karen made a good point. Vince was like, if you guys. If you solve this and find the guy, you're gonna be huge.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. Imagine.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And then Karen was like, well, we haven't seen Ste and the active serial killer in the same room at the same time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's just set him up for it and get the glory. I believe he's an active serial killer. Fucking mustaching around. He's not here. So we can say anything we want about this.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yes, say anything you want. He's just with my cats, so don't be too harsh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, they wanted him to be under here so bad. Sorry,

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

sorry, sorry, sorry,

[Karen Kilgariff]

guys. Welcome. This is my favorite part. We're a podcast. Thank you.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's Karen Kilgari.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's Georgia Hardstar. Thank you.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Thank you. Remember what we did this afternoon?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, dude.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So we had a drive here from Tampa, and we had like, a couple hours between when your hotel room kicks you out and then lets you into the next one. So we're like, what the do we do a Waffle House?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Waffle House. All.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

All laying in a place.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was. It was My first time.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Like it was unbelievably regular.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Which is good. Cuz most people, like, don't go there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't go there.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You're going to regret it. I don't regret it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Here's the thing. Those biscuits. I had a biscuit without gravy on it. And it was. I was like, is this fried? Because it was really thin and it was filled with butter or Crisco or some butter flavored Crisco. But it was really good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So then we ate and then we went to. There's this town called Plant.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Plant City.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Plant City.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. You love Plant City. So do we.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We do too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was nuts.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

There were. So I went to all these, like my dream. Just a town full of antique malls.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You know?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So much vintage Tupperware.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Georgia kept picking up bowls and going, should I get this? It's like, yes, it's perfect for flying. A nice big bowl from 1964.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

But it has the classic pattern.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'll never find it in Los Angeles.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And then Karen had the great idea while we were wandering around. She was like, let's get a weird creepy present for whoever does the hometown murder tonight.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So then it didn't happen. So then, yeah, let it go.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let it go. Don't get connected to material things in this life that you have. But Georgia is immediately like, let's get a haunted picture. You know what I mean?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Like something haunted.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's get something awful and be like, there you go. Now you have to keep it. Sorry.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So we were like searching for a thing and. What about this? And just kept holding up weird shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I found salt and pepper shakers of two little children on the back because I couldn't figure out what it was. It was like they had big blue eyes, but then green heads and they were holding their knees like this. And on the back it just said melon children.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So we found. Karen found this gorgeous jewelry box.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. So if you are from the 70s like myself, they had those jewelry boxes that like, you open them up and then the ballerina flicks up on a spring and then it's like, talk about fucking haunted. It's like the scariest thing as a child where you're like, this is absolutely a murder soundtrack.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's like a ghost is absolutely making this happen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, for sure. Put on your rings, little girl.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And forever. And then wasn't it like a movie where, like, if you're bad, you get trapped forever as the. As the fucking ballerina there is now. And then she Gets close to the thing every night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Keep going, tick, tick, tick. Someone take dictation. That's amazing.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It was this, like, gorgeous version of it. Perfect condition ballerina. Everything was, like, gorgeous about it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was. It was like. It was way bigger than a normal one. And you opened it and then things went out like that. And then there was a banana. Bottom drawer.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Everything was happy. It was, like, from the 50s, probably

[Karen Kilgariff]

cream on the outside, salmon. Salmon pink on the inside.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Salmon on the inside.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Like velvet. Untouched. It looked like some old lady bought it for someone and was like, fuck them, and put it up in the closet and never gave it to anybody and then died. Right?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So it's just filled with hate, which attracted me immediately. And I picked. And also, it was way back. It was on the bottom shelf way back. This is my fucking favorite experience in one of those kind of stores where I'm like, but what's this? So I open it to Georgia, and then she. To get it. We're looking at it, and on the back, in embossed in gold, it said Lady Buxton.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's from a company called Lady Buxton. Lady Buxton, which we're naming our company.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're stealing that.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We're changing the name of our company.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There's no way that company's still in business.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or are they? Someone started crying in the front row just now.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Sorry.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Saw what happened.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

There was, like, probably left over from, like, who played here last night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let's guess, just Jay Giles Band.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Jay Giles Band. A piece of glitter. One piece left. Fell from the guy over Katy Perry.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Her lap.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How big is it? Holy shit. Can I have that? Thank you.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I feel like if we had.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's not glitter, baby.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's a razor blade. If we had that jewelry box, she would get it. 100. Oh. Oh, one for me.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Ma', am, please don't come toward the stage unless you're called up. Can you believe that shit? You did it exactly right. Right. She's rushing the stage like a lunatic. I can't believe you, Karen. Oh, yes. Did you lick it?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

No. I thought about it, but I can't imagine what it's made of. Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

There.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Now we are. We just get beamed the fuck up in his face to be with Heaven's Gate.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We don't have to record this episode. It's going to go straight into Steven's brain.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yes. This looks good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

This is not to be TV Insider, but when I worked on Ellen this. You do one giveaway where, like, it's like, we're gonna Send this soldier and his wife on a cruise. And then they have confetti cannons that explode in the audience and out onto the stage. And this for the next, like 17 shows. Every once in a while this happens. And I swear to God, one time they got Oprah to come on that show, which was a very big get because they both shows still existed on regular T. And at the very end, Oprah was just like taking this huge Christ like, bow of like, you're welcome from my presence, everyone. And this piece of confetti just went like this and landed on her head. Everyone was like, no. Or she was like, yeah, so awesome.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Anyways, anyhow, Lady Buxton, Lady Buxton Refocus. Standing in line. It was really cheap. We're standing there like, we got our thing for the person, we have the

[Karen Kilgariff]

best ideas, and then this woman comes

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

up behind us, this real sweet, like, you know, really normal person. Like, so not so not from la. Like, a really nice, normal woman.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She's like, oh, is that a lady box? Like, what did she say?

[Karen Kilgariff]

She said, oh, I see. I have that one back there. That's. It's very similar. It's from my daughter and I've two other daughters. I'm trying to get. Where did you find it? And I was like, it was on the bottom shelf. I was doing a full body block of like, bottom shelf. Don't worry about where I fucking found it, lady.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She was like, I still have mine from when I was in second grade. I'm not fucking kidding. She still has her. And I'm trying to get a couple from mine. I found one over there. Did you see any others? Like, she was very.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So Georgia looks at me and goes, let's give it to her. And I was like, what the fuck?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She ignored me. She just ignored. Vince was like, yeah, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And I was like, look at me. Anyway, could you guys finish up so we can get the lady boxed in? Georgia turns around and goes, you should have it. And the woman goes, oh, no, no, no. Like, she's giving her the fucking holy Grail.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, no.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And you just put it into her hands.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Cause you gave me a nod. I didn't.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I did, I did, I did.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I don't want to seem like I'm fucking amazing, but I mean, it was my idea.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I broke. I did break at the end.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And she goes, oh, no. We just immediately started walking away. And she goes. She started crying, wipes her eyes. And then we were all like, we're the best people in the fucking world. It was the best so no one gets a prize tonight except for that lady. That lady gets a prize because we are good people.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And then we were running scenarios of how she's a con woman and that thing is worth, like, $700 on eBay. And she does that to everybody where she's like, they got the fucking Buckston. Let's see. I have daughters. That's it. I. Daughters.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And the woman who works there is like, judy, we told you, you can't bother the other customers anymore.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Judy's a pirate.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Judy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Judy, you nut.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Judy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I just want to mention someone was good enough. Edward, you made us cookies tonight.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Thank you, Edward.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They were delicious. We got some cookies sent backstage. Yeah, you could have done it, too, but this is my favorite thing. He wrote a really nice card, and then he wrote psycho. I almost got fired for writing stay sexy, don't get murdered on our positivity board at work.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Maybe they need to be more specific about what being positive means. It's not the same thing for everyone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, we're all different special snowflakes in this world, and everyone has a positivity angle.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's positive. Listen, did you not get murdered? I'm positive I did not want to get murdered.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, for sure. And then, like, now I'm obsessed with Edward. Where do you work?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

He works at the police station.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Let him sit.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where is it?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Diagon Alley at Universal. Oh, my God. That's awesome. You're a wizard, Harry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You are so lucky they didn't fucking put a bag over your head and pull you out and, like, dump you out over the county line. Oh, my God.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

They're gonna. Now you're like, he tried to SSDGM Harry Potter. You can't do that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's not for them.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Everyone knows. Oh, I wrote down the word head wound right here.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, Jesus.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Talk about a head wound.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Talking about.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Talking about walking into our hotel lobby to fucking check in after our little drive. And the fucking kid has a straight up head wound in the lobby. He's fine.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

He's fine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, he was talking and walking. Everything's okay, but bleeding. Fully bleeding down his face.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We were just, like, walking past him and his mom screaming at the father. Yeah, I've never heard. I didn't know this was a real thing that people actually said to each other. She yelled to the dad who was just hanging out at the fucking front desk watching the mom freak out. Don't just stand there. Do something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She actually said those words out loud,

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

and the dad was like, they're getting ice it was just like the most

[Karen Kilgariff]

unhappy family, perfect for a vacation here in Orlando.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

They're fine. We were following them to get into the elevator, and Karen goes, let's not get on the elevator with the rage family. And I was so bummed because I

[Karen Kilgariff]

really wanted to get on the elevator

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

with the rage family, just hear what they have to say to each other.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I am such a, like, denial based Irish Catholic where I'm like, you and your family could be strangling each other in front of me. And I'd be like, anyway, so what are your Thanksgiving plans?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

None of my.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The wall.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

The wall. You're interviewing the wall?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm asking the wall. Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And then when they were getting on the elevator, we heard them say, well, this has been a disaster.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was the mother. It had been a disaster. Now let's go to Diagon Alley, for Christ's sake.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Well, they're all positive there, but everyone's positive.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We'll get some positivity over there.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Fucking lives. Finally.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, shit, guys. Also, when we got up, when I got upstairs, I immediately went back downstairs to buy a Diet Coke. And right as I press the button for the elevator, this lady comes out of the stairwell and she was kind of rad. She had a huge eagle tattoo on her bicep where I was like, who are you? And she looks at me, waiting for the elevator, and she goes, I wouldn't get in there. We just got stuck. I swear to God, I'm like, we have been here 15 fucking minutes and everything has happened.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Trouble follows us. Yes, it does. All the way to Orlando. Hey, get it, girl.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you. Oh, that's nice. Thank you so much.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's what we do.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh. Should I make my excuse about my outfit? I really did want to. I have a new black dress that I wanted to wear. I guess subconsciously I didn't want to wear it because I forgot my tights in my car at the airport. I don't know how I did it. I didn't want to wear it.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You did it because you didn't want.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I didn't want to wear that dress. Yes. I didn't.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's not true. You love it. I offered you my tights last night. I was like, I didn't shave my legs, but you can have them. I'll take them off for you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You've done it for me, taking them the team. I was just like, nah, nah, I'll just wear my pajamas. Then I remembered I had diamond hoop earrings, and I was like, they'll do all the Work. They draw the eye away.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Nails. All right, listen. We work hard for you guys.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Listen, look, it's so hard doing a live podcast. It's really traveling. That's not true.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's not true.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Or lying to your face.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

This is so easy. And lucky. Listen, I can't believe. I just want to know what he's thinking right now. This is my husband. He's the guy. He's our tour manager. He sets everything up. He gets shit done and taken care of, and we know it. And he does stuff so perfectly. We would be a fucking mess without him. And I just love that he left his sunglasses on.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He made us this rug.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

He made us this rug. He works really hard.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, he really does. He does.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I think he got these at his dispensary, too. Anyway, do you have those here?

[Karen Kilgariff]

You don't get to. No, you do.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

There's yeses and no. Someone knows something that you guys don't know they're not telling you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Some people are like, they have one.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

They have one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They have just the one dispenser.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Just the one. Well, you guys gotta get there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And get some sunglasses.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Come out to California. Those sunglasses are made of pot.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Don't tell the tsa. Yeah, I couldn't remember that for a second. Also, speaking of pot, you guys have a horse here that got a DUI or something?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Am I getting that wrong?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I actually looked the story up so I could see the lady. It's the best mug shot. If you look it up. It was in Lakeland and she rode her horse. You know it. This is your. We're gonna tell you your news seven days later. It's fun. She's riding down. People call the cops because she's obviously drunk on a horse.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Well, she's not steering the horse. The horse isn't gonna be like, no, I'm not gonna fucking walk off the road.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The horse is just like, lady, it's your call. I'm going where you tell me to go. She's like. She was double over the limit, so it was a 0.161.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Ooh, what's that? Two hours?

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's nothing. I could do that in fucking two hours. If you care. If you care, you can do it. That's the wrong message, but you've got to see her headshot. She.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Headshot.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, mugshot.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, we've been in LA for too long.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She is my favorite actress. It was Blythe Danner. Isn't that crazy? No.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

What does she look like?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's one of Those things. And you guys are familiar with this, where the hair is young and the face is old?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, that is the saddest description. Hair is young faces. That's the saddest four words I've ever heard together.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, because she had kind of, like, I think, an accidental ombre, you know what I mean? So, like, this part of her hair was one color, and then down here was a different one.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Like, right here. Her life got hard. Like, she was doing great six months ago when this part was here. And then some shit went down.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. And dyeing her hair was no longer a priority.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I've been there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I hope to God that woman isn't sitting in this audience with a single tear rolling down her cheek right now.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Well, if she is, I hope her hair looks great. She deserves it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She went to the. After that, she was like, look, I'm gonna get it together. I put my horse at risk. I'm going to the salon. We're gonna get these roots strip, bleached, and have everything look the same.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

The secret to not looking like that is just to always have brown hair, because then no one knows how bad your fucking month is going. Yeah, you know that's true. What were you gonna say?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, that seemed judgmental. Sorry, everybody. Bye.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

This is a true crime podcast.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes, that's right. It's a.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Tell you that ahead of time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

True crime with a touch of comedy.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, but they're not. You know what I mean? They're like, we take them apart, you can put them back together. We're not doing that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Some people don't like it.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So say you're one of those people tonight.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Keep it to yourself.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We know. Don't worry. We know. Everyone's let us know online. Tell us.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We meet lots of people who are like, she brought me.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. I never heard you guys before. You're pretty funny. That's what happens. No, everyone's the best. Should we sit down?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. The best part. Truly the best part. These are nice seats.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Hard Rock Cafe. My sweat towels here. My.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm gonna do this. Like my mom at Thanksgiving.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

My mom at Thanksgiving would get dressed in, like, a really nice outfit and then go downstairs to cook. So then she always had this on her shoulder, and she'd be like, could you girls make one appetizer, please? Could you girls.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

The most disgusting rag. Oh, then there's this Wolf Van Halen

[Karen Kilgariff]

used this rag very recently. That's the sun. It's a deep cut.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

All right, let's put everything in order.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The Glitter goes here, cut goes there. I left mine there.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay, great. Here we go. That's yours. That's yours.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's from Edward.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

This is my Kleenex. That is actually a napkin. All right, Who.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's me.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's me.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay. Karen goes first.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right. Thank you. Okay,

[Georgia Hardstark]

We're back. Georgia, what do you remember about the Hard Rock Cafe in Orlando, Florida?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

I don't think it was a cafe. It was like a fucking big old amphitheater, wasn't it?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Arena.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But what do you remember about that experience?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

I remember. Yeah, I remember it.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I remember the lights being low and,

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

like, moody in the green room.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

They gave us a lot of food

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

and stuff, and I just kept thinking,

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

they're gonna kick us out when they

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

find out who we are. Like, they are gonna realize they made a mistake. And we're not supposed to be like, there are a couple of venues like that. Like, we did Las Vegas at a fucking casino. And I was like, they're gonna kick us out.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

But it was incredible, and it was a really lovely venue, and I just. Yeah, it was a trip.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's weird because some of the things that we talk about in this episode, I connected to a different, like, venue and a different storyline.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

So I'm just like, that's weird. I thought that happened at the Blank happened. And it's just weird. Like, this. It makes me go, this is why people keep scrapbooks, as corny as it is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

You want to be able to look back and just be like, oh, I get it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

The whole thing. We were doing it. I guess you could probably, if you searched back on Instagram far enough, Right?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, I guess.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

That is a scrapbook, really, Right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. Kind of good. Teach it all scrapbook.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

I do wish. Yeah, I was like that, or, you know, someone who loved me was like that, but nope.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Or someone loved me.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Or my mom would fucking get her scrapbooking shit together.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

But no, I totally forgot about the fucking jewelry box.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Like, oh, that is hilarious.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

And I think this is when I bought something for the hometown person that night and ended up keeping it for myself.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Right.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

I could tell you exactly what. I still have it. It's a fuck. It was a beautiful, like, perfume bottle shaped like a ostrich and. But it was, like, like, my color, the green. And it was an Avon perfume bottle from, like, probably the 60s or 70s. But it's, like, one of my favorite things that I own, so it's worth it. It's okay.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Totally worth it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It really was for you. Because you thought to yourself, what's the best thing to give as a gift? And then picked the thing you like the best? And then like, well, I'll give it to myself. Yeah, that's completely understandable. That's shopping. I think deep down. That's every year when I Christmas shop for sure. Where I'm like, look at me with this sweater.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, I probably need belt.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

I bet my sister would love this. So I'm going to keep it.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Nora loves Sephora. That's what I'm always trying to act like.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Right.

[Georgia Hardstark]

That's what I connected us being at that. Because I can remember the antique store.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

But I connected it with when you came out of the bathroom and we thought we lost you. I thought that was the same, right?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

No, that was the night before I did look up the jewelry box, and they are. They're not like super expensive. You can find ones for like $50. But they also. I saw ones that go up to hundreds of dol. So, you know, you could have made out real good.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I could have been in that jewelry box business that I've always dreamed of being a part of. The funny thing is that I had one of those. I think.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did I have it or.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It was like my cousin had that. Where. That was a very 70s set piece. That set piece of like the ballerina going around as you go through your cousin's jewelry box.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Totally. I have the grandma one that like opens up to a bunch of different things.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

That's my favorite.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Is that what we had or did we have a ballerina one girl.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

I do not remember at all. We talk about the ballerina one, so it must be that. But I think they. I don't think that the jewelry company makes that kind.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I think I was just trying to put any kind of a Silence of the Lambs reference in any time I could.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That was.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Is my hacky crutch that I love to rely on at live streams.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

You must. You must.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, horse dui.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

The horse DUI lady.

[Georgia Hardstark]

One of our original local crime bits that just destroyed.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah. That's when we learned that to show the city that we're in, what they're like and what they have done, who they're represented by.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah. This mug shot. You didn't lie. This mug shot is really something.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It is.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's a horse related crime type of mug shot.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Totally.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Like, it fits the crime, right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, it does. It's a look and it's an aesthetic.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And I'm about to do one of my favorite stories ever.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Oh, really?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, let's get into Karen's story about Judy Buenoano, the Black Widow Killer. This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye. It's hard when we are Home from these shows. And people don't cheer us constantly for every single thing we do all day long. I have a hard time.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

How do we know if we're doing well or not?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'll look around and be like, excuse me, I just sat down. Why is.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

How do I know if I'm supposed to sit down or not?

[Karen Kilgariff]

All right, so my murder tonight and my story I'm about to tell you is about a little lady named Judy Bueno Anno. The Black Widow Killer.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Love a good black widow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Buenoano.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Probably

[Karen Kilgariff]

still.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Still.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Still.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I said it the way I said it. You pick those up and throw them away.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, let's make it look nice.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I got most of my information. You know, when you go on YouTube to look up a serial killer, you need to know information about. And there's somebody that has posted a TV show as if it's their TV show. So I think it was a guy. It was something like. It was some kind of a play on words where it looked like his name was. Was like. It was like kicker in the ass or something. But it was broken up, so it looked like a guy's name. It was great anyway, but he didn't make the show. And I'm pretty sure it's a show called Women on Death Row. And the little thing up in the corner said CI, But I've never heard of that channel before, so I don't know what was happening. But if you go on YouTube, that was where I got most of this information. Plus there's a website called crimemuseum.org that's really good. That had a bunch of information about her, too. Okay, so Judy Bueno Ano was born Judeus ann loyalty on April 4, 1943, in Quanah, Texas. And it's the shortest sentence with all the names I can't pronounce in it.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So get those out of the way.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, we started off strong. Okay, so her mother died when she was 2. She and her brother Robert get sent to live with the grandma. A year later, the father remarries, brings them back. They now live in New Mexico. And she then has a whole childhood of abuse by the new stepmother. And I guess there were five stepbrothers that were all dicks. So she has it bad. And then when she's 14, she snaps, throws hot grease on the stepbrothers and attacks the father and stepmothers.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

What the fuck? She fucking lost it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Remember the fact that you just cheered for Judy? Because you're gonna regret that later.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Do you think she had a Thing like this. And she was just like, ya, dicks. And just threw a thing in it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, she was like. They were like, this bacon isn't crispy enough. And she's like, oh, yeah, let me put my towel down really quick. Okay. So she is sentenced to 60 days in a detention center. And then she decides, well, I'm not going back home. So she goes to. To a girls reform school. She graduates from there, and then she studies to become a nursing assistant. In 1961, when she's 18, she gives birth to her son Michael out of wedlock. She never says who the father is. Then the following year, she marries a guy named James Goodyear. He's an Air Force officer. They have two more kids, and then they all move to Orlando. Hey. Yeah, she, in 1968, opened a place called the Conway Acres Childcare Center. Uh oh, you guys went there? Was it fun? Did you ever. Did everything taste like almonds? Because there's a poisoning aspect to this story. So her husband, James Goodyear, is sent to Vietnam in 1979. He comes back from Vietnam, and in September of the same year, he starts to get really sick. He's vomiting, he's really weak. He can't get out of bed. He ends up being hospitalized. She goes and visits him in the hospital, sits by his bed every day. He ends up dying. Yeah. So she gets his life insurance money as a widow will. Then later on that year, her house catches on fire, Burns all the way down. She gets little insurance money for that too. Then she begins dating a man named Bobby Jo Morris. And in 1977, he moves to Colorado. So she packs up all her kids and she moves to Colorado and moves in with him. Within a year, Bobby Jo is in the hospital dying of a mysterious illness that includes vomiting and being very weak.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You know that mystery?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's just a weird mystery. This was back when they didn't know what caused anything. So when she would go visit him in the hospital, she would bring him Hawaiian Punch from home in like, a Tupperware container.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

He just loves Hawaiian Punch. Tupperware.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He loves Tupperware.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Tupperware.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I bet it was corn maze yellow. Yeah. She's like to the nurses, like, he just has to have his Hawaiian Punch from out of this specific container poured by me only.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Don't drink any. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So In January of 1978, he dies of this illness. And none of the doctors have no idea what it is. When they do the autopsy, nothing shows up. Five days after he dies, she cashes three life insurance checks from all the policies she'd taken out on him a couple of months before he died. But everyone's like, wow. Wow, what a lucky coincidence. Congratulations, Judy. So she ends up buying a house in Whisper Bay. No, it's near Pensacola. And are you from Pensacola? Because you didn't know what Whisper Bay was. So I think you might be fucking lying.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Everyone from Whisper Bay is really quiet because Pensacola just won't stop screaming all the time. So they're like.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We're a little. We specifically moved here because we don't like loud things. Of course, you don't know who's from Whisper Bay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

They're snapping in their seats. Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Whisper Bay. We love it here. Okay, Now Judy changes her name legally to Judy Bueno Ano, which is Spanish for Good year, which you might remember was her dead first husband's last name.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Creepy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Pretty creepy. Okay, so In June of 1979, her son Michael drops out of high school. He's like 17. He joins the army. And before he leaves to go to Fort Bennington, he stops by her house. Oh, sorry. Fort Benning, Georgia. He stops by her house to visit her, to say goodbye. And she gives him some sort of. Some item that he eats or drinks. Perhaps a delicious cup of Hawaiian punch. I'm not sure. When he gets to Fort Benning, he becomes gravely ill. Vomiting, weakness, whatnot. He is found to have high levels of arsenic in his system. So his limbs begin to atrophy. This is one of the side effects. And he becomes paralyzed in his legs. And then he can't use his hands, so he has to wear braces on his legs. And he basically can't use his hands. So he's discharged from the army and he moves back in with his mother, you know, so his mother can take care of him in his illness.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I got a bad feeling about her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Do you?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Who? Judy. Judy. So in May of 1980, the day he comes back from being discharged from the army with his paralysis and his illness, she plans a fishing trip.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Same day, think it through.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

No, I'm not. If she's not gonna, I'm not gonna.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Could you imagine? You're like. Even if it was just like you were at college and you came home cause you got the flu. And then you walk in the front door and your mom's like, here we go. Car trip. Let's go. You'd be like, what the fuck?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She gets a canoe. They get a folding chair and strap him into the chair in the canoe.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And Michael, the younger brother, James and Judy all go on A canoe fishing trip in the East River.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That sounds like a bummer. Even if you're at fucking tomorrow, top of your health game.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. You're feeling great.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You took tons of vitamins and you're like, I don't want to get in that canoe. Yeah, we went on. I just remembered. We went on a canoe trip in the Russian river when I was like, 10 years old. And it was our family and our next door neighbor, the hospitals, who are like our family. And my dad, who is 6 foot 4, probably 280 pounds, and my cousin Cheryl's husband at the time, Mike, who was even bigger than my dad. They were, like, best friends. And, like, we're gonna get in our own canoe and bring beer, you know, like our time. They flipped over in that canoe. I'm not kidding. Like, probably 30 times as we were going. It was supposed to be like this lazy canoe trip down the river. Just every five minutes it was like. And all their shit would go everywhere and they'd laugh and they'd stand up and drink a beer or whatever.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That sounds kind of awesome.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It was fucking hilarious. Well, we get. Finally get to the end of the trip to turn the canoes back in and. And they turn the canoe to the side and it says, like, max weight, 300 pounds.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Those idiots.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just a little family fun Sidebar before we go back into the horror show that is this family. Okay, so at one point, the canoe tips over, and some fishermen find James and Judy treading water and, like, trying to hold onto the canoe. And Judy tells them, my son Michael has braces on his legs and he went down and we can't find him. Right. So they find Michael's body a quarter of a mile down the river because he had braces on his arms and legs, so he basically sunk right to the bottom. So Judy tells the cops, she tells them one story was the fishing line got caught in trees. One story was they hit a lot. A lot. Log bumped them and knocked the canoe over. A floating log. And then one story was there was a snake in the canoe.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

This, like, could have been all three at the same time.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, could you imagine a snake filled log hits your fishing line?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

All right. The younger son, James, says he has no memory of the incident because he was not knocked out when the thing happened and unconscious. So it turns out Michael, having been in the army, has a $20,000 life insurance policy purely from just being in the army. There wasn't just the army life insurance policy. There were several other. On her son. So she Collects all of that money, and she goes and opens a beauty salon called Fingers and Faces.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, I'm pretty.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Make me pretty.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Make my fingers and faces pretty, please.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I have 10 fingers and four faces.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Can someone help me?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Fingers and Face. That's the kind of place, if I saw it, I would take a picture of it and try to think of a good tweet about it. Fingers and Faces. Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Like, concentrate on one of those things.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. Anyways, yeah, they're not a nail salon and a facial place. Never the twain shall meet. Like, can you imagine? You're there trying to get a facial with, like, cucumbers on your eyes and then that, like, nail polish smell wafts in. Or it's like, relax, relax. We're peeling off the top three layers of your facial skin.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

In the meantime, there's some people out there that are like, I like fingers and Faces.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, do you have photos, by the way? We can show photos?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay, good.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, not yet.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, okay. Great.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Sorry.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She starts dating a local businessman named John Gentry. So in October of 1982, I mean, they said she had a really magnetic personality. Of course. Clearly she can get any man and poison any man. She was wants Was his.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

He was a local businessman. Was it called Toes and Toes and Decolletage?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Chose an elbow, Toes and Neck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

He. His business was shaving men's neck beards

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

off in the 70s and pedicure and picing your feet and just being like,

[Karen Kilgariff]

if you're going to wear those Bergenstocks, you got to get rid of that heel. Gross. So they were up. Match made in heaven. None of this is true. He probably did taxes. Okay, so In October of 1982, Judy, as you do when you start dating, someone convinces John that they should take out life insurance policies on each other.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You know that next step, that romantic next step.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yep. You date, you. You take out life insurance policies on each other.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Boom.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, come on.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, that's how it is. Let's get real.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Then she tries to start. She gives him special vitamins that she said are gonna be very good for him. They're citrus based, as most things are here in Florida.

[Audience Member or Guest]

And,

[Karen Kilgariff]

you know, there's nothing wrong with him, but she's like, it looks like you need some vitamins. So of course he starts taking them, Starts vomiting, feeling weak, the whole thing. So he stops taking them. And this infuriates her.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

These are all good signs that you're getting poisoned.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, you're just like. So you're Mad about the vitamins or is it something else? No, it's the vitamins. So on June 25, 1983, she tells John that she's pregnant. And she insists that they get married, which I think has something to do with the life insurance policy.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's fun to insist that you get married to someone.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. Yeah. It's so romantic.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I know. That insistence.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I demand that you love me forever. Okay. So the same night, she's hosting a party for an employee at Fingers and Faces. I think it was someone that specialized in faces.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It was the face side of the business.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And all the fingers people sat on one side of the room and the face people sat on the other. They fight. They're really catty. But she tells John that he should drive his own car to the party and park in a very specific parking spot.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And he's like, sounds good. I don't question you in any way. And thanks for those vitamins, Judy.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So at the end of the night, she says, on the way home, will you stop by the liquor store and get some champagne and bring it home for. And he's like, sure, no problem. And on his drive to the liquor store, his car explodes. But he survives. I don't have a picture of this car. I should.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

But explain it to us. Let's picture it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'll paint you a picture.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's what I meant.

[Karen Kilgariff]

One of those early 80s cars that looks like it's a rectangle with two things cut out, Right?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's how a child would draw a car.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, exactly. There's no curve in any way. This is before the Ford Taurus, when everything was still real boxy. And I think it's like, kind of a creamy yellow color.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Absolutely bugging.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What are they? Bucket seats?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Sunflower. It's sunflower color.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Bucket seats.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Sunflower bench seats. Thank you. Yeah, that's the confetti lady. She knows everything. Okay, so. And the entire back. So it turned out there were five sticks of dynamite in the trunk.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Holy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That were connected with copper wire to the rear lights. So the first time he fucking put on those brakes, the back of the car exploded. Five pieces of dynamite worth.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Where do you even buy dynamite?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Acme, I think. Right.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Everyone knows.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Align.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

The idiot.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She also got a couple anvils, but that was for later when he actually got home. And then, of course, just a big black spot she was gonna put down on the ground and fall into. I could keep making Roadrunner references forever, everybody. That's right. Do it.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Do it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Abandoned child. I was Raised by tv. Okay, okay. So of course. Of course the cops, since he survives, are like, hey, do you know anyone

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

who wants to kill you?

[Karen Kilgariff]

And he's like, no, this is nuts. Although we did have a vitamin incident at our house a couple months ago. So they start looking into it, and they get the vitamins that she had been giving him. And it turns out there's paraformaldehyde in the vitamins, which is the chemical that you use at nail salons to clean the instruments.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Ooh, that blue shit. Fingers, faces, the blue, like, barber saw stuff. Probably.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, I don't know.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Whatever.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Whatever pair of formaldehyde is.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I should have looked it up.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I'm sorry. You shouldn't have. I said, yeah, listen, look,

[Karen Kilgariff]

thank you so much. Okay. Then they find out that when Judy and John had their romantic life insurance policy takeout session, she had secretly, behind his back, raised his limit to $500,000.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

What? Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So then he was like, huh, maybe things aren't as they seem. So the cops then have, like, probable cause, I guess, to get a warrant and search the house. And they find there is copper wire in the teenage son's room, James, that match the copper wiring that hooked the TNT up to the rear view light. I'm sorry, but that is just the. I mean, not. Car bombs are bad, but that is fucking hilarious. Or you're just like, gassing it. Gassing it. Oh, oh, maybe I'll break. No, I don't have to. It's like, I just wish I could have seen it in the cartoon way, not in a real person way. Okay. So they also find out that Judy had made plans to go on a world cruise and John was not invited. No ticket for John.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, man. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So they're like, this doesn't seem great. So In July of 1983, Judy is arrested for attempted murder, as is her teenage son. But he is later acquitted at trial. And because this is so fucking nuts, it raises Suspicions about the 1,000 other dead people in her life. So they start exhuming bodies. And it turns out her son Michael had also had arsenic in his system. And James Goodyear had arsenic in his system, and Bobby Jo Morris had arsenic in his system. Heavy doses, it was described as. So then she's charged with their murders also. So the first trial was for her son Michael. And in court, the prosecutors actually show how, based on the things that got dumped out of the canoe, where basically all the stuff in the canoe was dumped out where James and Judy were treading water and holding onto the canoe. But where Michael's body was, there was nothing, so it couldn't have tipped where he was found. So basically, they dumped him out of the canoe and then rode away and then staged the accident.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Wow. You can tell all that?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, yeah. By floating bags filled with, like, fucking Cheetos and stuff. Cause they kept all the stuff around them. Yeah, yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Weird.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. So she's convicted of the murder of her son Michael on March 31, 1984. And then in October, she goes to trial for the attempted murder of her boyfriend, John Gentry. She's convicted of that murder. Her third trial begins a year later, and for this, she's facing the death penalty for the 1971 murder of her first husband, case James Goodyear, by arsenic poisoning. On November 26, 1985, she's found guilty of that murder, and she's sentenced to die in the electric chair.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Shit.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So of course she denies ever having anything to do with any of these deaths. It's just a series of terrible coincidences. Fingers, Faces.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Fingers. Faces crossed.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. Cross your fingers across your face that everything turns out good. So she never says anything when she's on death row. But 12 years into her sentence, she decides to grant an interview to a local newswoman named Sue Straw. You know sue, she's good because sue was a customer at Judy's Nail Salon. Figures. And things.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Sue.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And sue says in this show that I'm watching, she was like, even then, I could not see her as a murderer.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Because she said she was just so soft. And then I was like, God damn it, Sue. She's a sociopath. That's the whole game, is they're gonna act like the thing that you wouldn't

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

suspect, you know who kill people, Soft people. Yeah, they kill people, too.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's right.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. It's better to act soft than everyone's like her. She's such a lady, with her beautiful fingers and her gorgeous face. But then they have this clip of that interview, and when sue brings up the charge that Judy had dumped her own paralyzed son out of a fucking canoe and drowned him, she goes from talking like this, of, this has been very hard for me. And she's kind of like one of these ladies. And then Sue's like, yeah, but how about that canoe thing? And she's like, and who said that? What witness said that? No witness said that. The prosecution. And she, like, turns into the fucking Wicked Witch of the east so quickly. It's scary. It's like one of those teachers where, like, they're nice to the class. And then you do some weird thing, and they're like, get over there. And you're just like, holy shit. Oh, it's. You can watch it. It's real good. And. And then the reaction shot of Sue Straw. She's. My face and my fingers. Okay, so then on March 30, 1988, Judy Buenoano is put to death in the electric chair. She's the second woman in Florida State history to have been put to death in the electric chair. Her last meal. Oh, dear. This is gonna. For me, not to minimize the insane human loss in this store, but for me, this is one of the most upsetting parts of the story. Her last meal was a salad of broccoli, tomato, and asparagus. Go fuck yourself. Fuck you, Judy.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's not a fucking salad to begin with. Yeah, that's an array of fucking gross things that nobody wants to eat.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Asparagus. Like, what, are you just gonna chew on a bunch of asparagus for an hour? Oh, and she had hot tea. Fuck off.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just my natural enemy, this woman. Yeah, and she also told a reporter she was looking forward to seeing the face of Jesus. Uh oh, Judy, bad news. It don't work like that, baby.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She was actually saying, the fingers of the devil in reality, not the face of Jesus.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Jesus is like, I'm not gonna be there for you. She told. And I don't know if it was Sustraw or another reporter, but she did tell a reporter before it happened. Obviously before that happened. But like a while before, when she was asked, she said her final words are gonna be via con Dios. But on the actual day, when she got walked to the chair and they asked her if she had any final words, she said, no, sir. Now here's a poem written by Judy Buenoano. Ready?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Everyone close your eyes. Everyone, close your eyes. I just want to soak this in.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Masks by Judy Buonoano.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Are you closing your eyes?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Close your eyes don't be fooled by me don't be fooled by the face I wear For I wear a thousand masks Masks I'm afraid to take off and none of them are me Pretending is an art that's second nature to me but don't be fooled For God's sake Don't be fooled.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. That's Judy Buenoano, everybody. Oh, shit. Shit.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's okay. Do it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Shit.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Do it. Not there. There. There. Is that her? Oh, my God, she's a bitch.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Please look at her. She's like, seriously, go fuck yourself. If you think I'm guilty.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She's like hot tea and vegetables. Motherfucker.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love tomatoes so much.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Tomatoes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Wait, I think there might be one more. There's also really good footage of her glaring. When witnesses would come and testify against her, she would be glaring at them. She's got. She has very small eyebrows and in kind of beady eyes. Oh, that's what she looked like when Sue Straw interviewed her.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Much later on, I see her snapping, bye, Judy. Bye, Judy. Good one.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I love this.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

These are fun. We're firing Steven and hiring these little clickers. We're not really gonna do that. That was great.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Thank you for that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Thank you for that.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's all, Judy, Judy, Judy, Judy. All right.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

And we're back. Karen, what is it about this story that makes it one of your favorites? Favorites? Do you think?

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's interesting because it's so extreme, but, like, when women do stuff like this, oftentimes either it's an organic issue in the brain or they have been wronged horribly.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Which is a little bit like your story that's coming up. So it is that kind of thing where sometimes there's that vigilante of, like, I've had enough and I'm not taking it. I'm going to act like a man.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And so that part is very compelling to me. But then also, it's just. Just, she killed it seemingly every man in her life at, like, any time she could, which is just outrageous that she kept getting away with it.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

And she's just fascinating. So she has a grandson named Alex Hawkins, and he right now is working on a documentary about his grandmother's case. And he's asking people to keep an open mind about her life and her crimes, which I think is really interesting. He's basically saying, yes, she did these horrible things. But then there was this other side of her, and she was philanthropic and she was a nice woman. And, like, there's, like. That's part of the story as well, that she was, like, maybe like a Jekyll and Hyde, which I think is really interesting. And then to me, to lay under. And she was a woman of the early 80s where, like, you couldn't be thin enough, you couldn't be pretty enough, you couldn't be blonde enough, you couldn't

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

get a credit card in your own fucking name. You had to have your husband or father sign up for you.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah. She owned her own beauty salon, but I'm sure that the bank didn't care. Would she want to get a loan or wanted to develop her business. Like it's all those things where she was probably partially ahead of her time, definitely abused as a child. There's all those terrible perfect storm things. I don't know. She's fascinating.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Well, it's so funny that you picked that story and then I picked this one, this next one, which I get a lot of comments on. Still it like it comes up up a lot.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Really?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah. I mean it's a heavy hitter, so

[Georgia Hardstark]

maybe that's why Heavy hitter, a Florida classic. Let's get into George's story right now about Eileen Wuornos. Do you like breathing in propylene glycol? How about formaldehyde?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Visit pur.com that's p r a.com to learn more.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Goodbye.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Like yeah, they're just perfect.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Head over to bombas.com and use code MFM for 20 off your first purchase.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Goodbye. This is ladies night.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh,

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Florida. Y' all ready for your girl, Eileen Wuornos?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I feel like it's. I feel like it's very important to say right now for the employees of the Hard Rock Cafe and any. Any partners or loved ones that are here that have never listened. We are not cheering for a serial killer. No, that's not what's happening.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

This screaming. Except for Whisper County. This is not. This is not for murder.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, it's about knowing about her.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's about staying up at night and scaring the living shit out of yourself reading about what you did. And finally, you're not alone while you're going to be hearing about it.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, this is one of those. Oh, this was from January 2, 1992, when I stayed up all fucking night after watching Dateline. Cause of this murder.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I saw her picture and I stopped plucking my eyebrows. There's just a lot of emotional connection.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Okay. All right. This is a rough run because on one hand, you have, as a female, you have so much empathy for her until she starts really murdering people and then it's gone. So it's a tricky. It's a tricky situation as life is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It is.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So between November 1989 and November 1990, Eileen Wuornos killed seven men along the highways of Central Florida. Let's. But let's. Let's start in Rochester, Michigan, though. Okay, so she's born. Eileen Wuornos was born in Rochester, Michigan, February 1956. Her mom, Diane, was 14 years old when she gets married. Married to the dad. They have a son named Keith when she's 15. Eileen when she's 16. Can you fucking imagine?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Think of yourself when you are 14 years old having a fucking baby.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Nope.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I could barely handle Doritos I couldn't manage them alone. I had to have them taken out of my hand.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I still have to say, take these away from me to Vince when I'm eating something, something. And at 14. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so that's where we're starting. It's hard. Okay, we're starting there. Let's do it. Oh, do you want to see a photo of her when she's a little girl? I know. Is she pretty?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so dark.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Thank you, lighting person. I know someone's on it, like, paying attention.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, we are at the Hard Rock Cafe. I mean, they're like, yeah, we do this every night.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, this isn't the Last Resort bar. We'll get to that later.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh,

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

no offense, because I want to go party at the Last Resort Bar so bad. Okay. Okay. Eileen's father. Let's hear about him. Two months before Eileen is born, he's incarcerated. He's diagnosed as schizophrenic, later convicted of raping and kidnapping a seven year old girl. Don't worry. He hangs himself in prison when she's 12 years old. She's never. She never meets him.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I know. It's weird. Again, they're not clapping about, you know, January 1960, when Eileen's almost four years old, the mom, Diane, abandons them, the kids leaves them with their grandparents. They legally adopt her. And I think it's one of those situations where she didn't know that until she was older. Eileen. So a lot of this stuff is everyone in her past is dead. All the men that she killed can't say exactly what happened. So it's all based on her own story. So we don't know completely what's true, but there is a lot of cooperation based on the kids she grew up with. So she says that her alcoholic grandfather sexually assaulted her, beat her when she was a child, and by age 11, she starts engaging in sexual activities in exchange for cigarettes and drugs and food. She also engages in sexual activities with her brother. Yeah. And then. So they would hang out. All the burnouts would hang out. And I'm sure you had a place like this in Sacramento, because I fucking had a place like this in Irvine, California, so the pits. And it was like in the forest. The fucking. Like just the gross area where, like, the burnouts would hang out. You know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Did you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Can I tell you? Well, it's Petaluma, and we called it the Rock. And it was this. There was a hill behind, like a convalescent hospital. You'd pull into the parking lot and then you'd walk up this hill for like a half a mile. And then there was just a rock that we'd all go sit on and drive, drink like fucking Keystone Light or whatever. Well, it turned out, and I never put it together, the rock was in. I could see my house from the rock. I could see like my parents watching TV from there. But it was like, it was like, I would say, half a mile away. Finally, one time my sister goes, yeah, we can hear you guys, every word you guys say out there. Because there's nothing between the rock and my parents house. So we'd be out there just like hugging the. And they're just like. They heard. They knew exactly what we were doing and they knew exactly what we were talking about the entire time.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's so smart.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's kind of genius. I mean, not on our part. No, stupid.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You get home and your mom's like, I know you were eating Doritos. Yeah. And you had to have them taken away from you. Karen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's actually when I got caught smoking cloves.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, because I was so goth.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Because you smelled like a fucking spice cabinet.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. She's like, hey, hey, Christmas ham, what's up? She. But she came in, she did the classic, you know, psychiatric nurse move on me. She held up the clothes that she found in my pocket when she was doing the laundry. And she goes, you can smoke these if you want, but they put glass in them and they cut your lungs. Which is a fucking straight up lie. But I never smoked a clove again after that.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's not fun when your mom's like, go ahead, I'm shit what you fucking do? Yeah, like, oh, well, I was lying.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She cared. She cared.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She wanted you to quit. Okay. So she'd hang out with them. She said that she, you know, there was a lot of sexual activity going on. She was raped. And later people from the town in this documentary watching said that she was treated very badly.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, here's a photo of her at like 14 years old, which is like, oh, she kind of looks like me when I was that age. Like this skinny, kind of awkward nerd. I know. Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did she have her own boat?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

What?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Life really sucked. But she did have her own boat. Luckily,

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

1970, at age 14, she gets pregnant, possibly by a friend of the family, an older man. She gives birth to a boy in a home for unwed mothers and the child's place for adoption. A few months later, she drops out of school. Her grandmother dies. Her grandfather kicks her out of the house. So she's supporting herself as a sex worker. Lives in the woods for a while, then hits the fucking road at 16. Hitchhikes around the country for five years.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Where's that baby?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Adopted.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, oh, good, good.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And I don't. Yeah. She ends up eventually in 1976 in Daytona Beach, Florida. Here she is. Okay. She meets a 69 year old yacht club president, uh.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Named Lewis Grantz Fell. She marries him. I think she's 22 at this time. She's 22 he, 69. That's fine. No, they're just grossed out by this. What is it? Something December romance.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, May, December.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. They don't like love.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Turns out apparently not

[Karen Kilgariff]

so.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

But she's still getting in confrontation. She's kind of a brawler. She's a little.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She's had it totally shit all her

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

life and all she knows is hitchhiking and staying alive.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So they get, they are fighting all the time. She kind of loses it all the time. She has these like bursts of anger and she eventually hits him with his own cane and he gets a restraining order against her. Their marriage is annulled after only nine weeks.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm just picturing Anna Nicole Smith's wedding picture. But slightly different look.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yes, that's exactly what it's like. Picture Anna Nicole Smith a little methyl.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

He's a little bit younger, kind of like snazzy. You know, he's got his yachting cap on, he's kind of rich.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay, so it's Thurston Howell iii.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yes, yes. And meth. Anna Nicole Smith. Horrifying.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Nice.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's not funny at all.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay, so then her brother Keith dies of throat cancer. Devastating to her. They're actually really close. He was kind of. Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird relationship, obviously.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, probably same brother.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Then her grandfather dies from apparent suicide, so she's on her fucking own. Yeah. After her divorce, she has tons of run ins with the law. She's arrested for drunk driving. Florida prison for armed robbery. She robs a liquor store in a bikini.

[Karen Kilgariff]

The inspiration for the film Spring Breakers.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

There you go. She does it in a bikini. She gets the fuck out. Drives away. Her car breaks down down the road, she gets caught.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She. I know that she ends up being a very bad person, but she also has the worst fucking luck of all time.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It sounds like she is not mentally stable.

[Audience Member or Guest]

Right.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Clearly bikini. Paroled in 1983, returns to sex work. Around 1986. She meets what would become really the love of her life, 24 year old Tyra Moore. They meet at a Daytona beach gay bar. She's a hotel maid in the movie Monster. She's played by Christina Ricci. She does not look like Christina Ricci. That was a stretch. Even when they cut all of Christina Ricci's hair off, she does not look like Christina Ricci. But she's like a cute young thing, you know what I mean? Youth gives everyone good looks. They meet and Tyra's a lesbian. And weirdly, Eileen's not really a lesbian. She just finally has someone who loves her for who she is.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She wants to be loved.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. She has someone who wants to stick by her. She has someone she can take care of. It almost seems like that's what she always needed because she had had relationship relationships with men in the past were all disastrous, et cetera, et cetera. They go home that night together and they move in together. And Eileen is really controlling over her, so she makes her quit her job and she says she's going to earn money with sex work to take care of her. And Tyra didn't approve of it, but

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

you know what I mean.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay, so there's a book called Dear Wuornos in her own Words. So this chick Dawn Bottom was her like best friend from when she was a teenager. And when Eileen ends up in prison, she just sends her like four letters a day of like, it's crazy stuff. But they published a book about it. So she says to dawn that when she was in a gay relationship, she starts getting triggered by all these awful things that are happening to them because it's Florida in the mid-80s. Lesbian, you know, not allowed. Not allowed. So they say like one of the neighbors kills their pets because they're lesbians living together. And she said it fueled the fire within. They couldn't find a place to live. No one would let them live there together. And if they did, they'd like raise their rent really high because they were lesbians. So Eileen feels like she has to hustle. She carries a gun with her and she's just really unstable. She starts hitchhiking and she starts stealing from people. Okay, so this is when her first murder takes place. November 30, 1989 in Clearwater. Richard Mallory, he's a 51 year old electronics repairman. He picks Eileen up outside of Tampa. She's just hitchhiking. Then she propositions him. He agrees. They pull off the road and they drink and talk until dawn, which is so weird. And again, this is all this Is all based on her telling what happened? Obviously we don't know. Eventually she shoots him four times in the chest, in the back. She takes his money, hides him in the woods under a carpet and takes his car back to Tyra. She tells Tyra that she killed this dude and took his car. Tyra's like, I didn't believe her, so. So she says, I mean no. Tells her she doesn't believe her. Then two weeks later, Richard's body is found in a wooded area in and I wrote this phonetically, Volusia County. Thanks.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Now, isn't Fallujah in the Middle east somewhere?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

After I. After a six month break after killing Richard Mallory. On June 1, 1990, the body of David Spears, a 43 year old construction worker in Winter Garden is found. There's a lot of cities here.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Get ready to cheer for your city or any city you've ever heard of.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

He's found nude along Florida State Road 19 in Citrus County. He's been shot six times. Then June 6, 1990, Charles Carskadin, he's 40, part time rodeo workers. Bodies found in Pascow county. He's been shot nine times with a 22 1990, Peter Symes leaves Jupiter, Florida for Arkansas. He is 65, retired merchant seaman who devoted more much of his time to Christian outreach ministry. On July 4, 1990, his car is found in Orange Springs, Florida. And then so Tyra and Eileen are seen abandoning his car. And after they accidentally get in a car accident. She has so much car trouble, making a car accident. People are like, hey, can we help you? And they're like nope. And just run into the fucking wilderness. Cause they're like, this car, she pries the license plate out with her bare fucking hands and they book it from this car.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And the family's just standing there. Ma', am, Ma', am, are you okay?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Fuck yeah. And so they're like, well here's what she looked like. And at this point they're like, what? We don't know why all these men are turning up dead with the same gun. They, they kind of know there's a serial killer at this point going on. So they find out the car has come from this guy who went missing. So they have their photos and the drawings in the paper at this point. And they get Eileen's fingerprints off the car which were on file because she got in so much trouble before. Remember the bikini thing incident? So they're looking for her at this point. So then she kills Troy Burns, he's 50 years old, sausage salesman from Ocala Ocala.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What'd they say?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Ocala.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You were able to get ocala out of the second. Out of that.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Because I knew it was one of two things.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And I knew that I was probably gonna get it wrong.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They should put accents over these vowels that are so important.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I mean, it would be.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Be nice.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And then on July. So he. On July 31, 1990, he's reported missing. And then on August 4, 1990, his body's found in a wooded area along State Road 19 in Marion County. He's been shot twice. Charles Dick Humphrey, 56. Sept. 11, 1990. Retired U.S. air Force major, former state child abuse investigator and. And former chief of Police. On September 12, 1990, his body is found in Marion County. He's fully clothed, had been shot six times in the head and torso, and his car is later found in Suwanee County. No.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Seems like you did it, right?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Or not enough people care.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They're like, just say what you want.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We don't like that place that much anyways. WALTER Antonio, age 62. He's a trucker, security guard, police reservist. November 19, 1990. His nearly nude body is found near a remote logging road in Dixie County. He'd been shot four times. Five days later, his car is found as well. So then finally, they're, like, looking for her. They track her down to a biker bar in Port Orange called the Last Resort. Yelp it still there?

[Karen Kilgariff]

For real?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, hell yeah. And there's a picture on the wall that said, like, Eileen Wuornos had her last beer here. Like, they're into it after party. You guys in?

[Karen Kilgariff]

That's kind of nice. There's a bar somewhere that's like, us. A whole bar full of drunks. That's just like. They were like, check this shit out. Are you freaking out? I'm freaking out. Out. Let's all freak out.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's so good.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay. So they. They grab her. They find Tyra, who at this point was like, I'm getting the out of here. Hadn't gone back home.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

They find her, and they're like, listen, we don't think you did anything, so you need to get a confession, and we won't prosecute you. So she's like, all right. Calls her. They, like, have all these calls from the fucking motel. Finally, Eileen's like, I'll confess so you don't get in trouble for it. So.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But she did help, right? It was like looking at a betting. She.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I think that she said she only knew about the one that the first One. And she didn't believe Eileen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She didn't believe the other 18.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She says Eileen did them on her own. Never told her about them. She was just getting cars and money. That's all she knew about. She thought she was stealing them.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But wasn't she there when they ran into the woods after they got into the car accident?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, but she said this car is stolen. We gotta get the fuck out of here.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

You know what I mean?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay. I just. I don't buy it. Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Okay. So Eileen ends up confessing to all the murders in detail. But she, along with the help of her defense, claims they were all in self defense. That all the men had attacked her and tried to rape her and kill her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Except she shot them six to nine

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

times and a lot of them were clothed. There was no. I don't know. Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. All right. So then the fucking trial blows up. Do you remember it?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It got huge.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Right?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And people are trying to make money left and right off her books and movies. Even, like, some of the cops are, like, trying to get movie deals out of it. And then this woman named Arlene Prale, she's like, I just saw her on tv and I needed to. I knew she was innocent. I don't know if she's Southern. I know. And I needed to be friends with her.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. It's the best voice.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. I just knew in my heart that. Jesus, you know, whatever. And she's like. And I needed to know her. And I think they had money, so she was going to, like, help her with. But she's like. And I wanted to talk to her, but the only way they could get into prison to talk to her was if you were related to her. So she and her husband adopt her. What the fuck? Can I tell you how excited I was when I heard that today in the hotel?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I was just like, they're gonna love that part. Adopts her. And this woman, not surprisingly, turns out to be a fucking crazy person and ends up making like $50,000 off of, like, wants to do like an art show, to like, put up all of Eileen's drawings and stuff. Is selling all this shit to the media. And Eileen later is like, fuck that bitch. Takes her out of her fucking life.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's almost like a bad version of the Blind side.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's like if the Blind side was a fucked up super dark.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Like, it sucks. Bless her heart.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Bless her heart, though.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So Eileen is. And you see these videos of her, and there's just. She's clearly A million different people. She. She's so crazy sometimes and so sympathetic and sad sometimes. She takes the psychopathy checklist test thing, which, if you get 30 points, you're legally a psychopath or whatever. And she gets 32.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She passed.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She fucking nailed that test. She passed the test, Eileen. It's the first time that you succeeded in your life.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

They didn't like that.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They really didn't. Whose fucking side are you on?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

They turned on you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No, no, you're right. You're right.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She is diagnosed with borderline and antisocial personality disorder. And her love of her life, Tyra, ends up testifying against her. Yeah. Which she just like. I don't think she realized that she was turning on her like that.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

So.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. And then she gets sentenced to. Sentenced to death. Convicted in 92 first degree murder. Sentenced to death. Says to the jury as they're walking out, I hope you all get raped.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You can't say that. No. That's fucking horrible.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. And she says that when they convict her and then the next day they have to go back in for sentencing. And she's like, shit. Probably like, have you noticed the borderline thing? Yeah, that's what happened yesterday. Today I'm fine.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't be mad about that rape thing, okay, guys? Because I was just upset.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I take it back.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm really. I can be that way sometimes. That's like when you, like, stand up at a table and like, tell people off and walk out. And then you're like, sorry, I didn't get my purse. I left my purse on the chair. Oh, I leaned.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Come on. Stop it, stop it, stop it. That's cheap comedy and I don't want you to support me in it. Please. Horrifying.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So after almost 20 years in solitary lockdown, on July 1, 2001, at the age. Okay, when she was convicted, she was 36 years old. Hi. That's a year younger than me. If you see these photos of her, you're like, damn, that could be my adopted mother. Fuck.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Okay.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Did she do meth and stuff? No. Really?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, yeah. She was an extreme alcoholic.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Okay.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She says a lot of these things were done in blackouts. Alcoholic. Yeah. Methy meth.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I gotta say, though, as a blackout alcoholic, I didn't get any. Anything done.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's nice to hear because I always thought, like, maybe I'm just a bad blackout drunk.

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Because I don't black out often, but if I do, it's because I fell the asleep.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is that with, like, A weird taco on your chest or something. Or you're just like, oh, I wanted to have that at the time.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And now it's taco.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Just a taco from Jack in the Box, I guess, is what I'm thinking.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Weird taco or the one a good taco.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Like, not a.

[Karen Kilgariff]

You didn't go to the taco truck and get a good taco. You were just like.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Or the one that they have now with the egg as the taco. That's a weird taco.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What is it?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

It.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I just. I keep spitting.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I spit so much this whole time.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's like an. You don't want to know what. It's like an egg. Like a. Let's say a hard or a fried egg. And then they use the fried egg as the taco show.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What for?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

For breakfast. Taco. I don't understand. I've only seen photos. Is Taco Bell.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Is this like a. It's Taco Bell, yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It's like their breakfast.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Taco Bell cannot make eggs that should not be legal. That shouldn't. They can't handle that.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Whenever you see, like, an egg in, like, nor. It's not scrambled, you're like, oh, it's a real egg. I know this where this came from. Like, what did they do to that egg to make it look like it's

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

in a real thing?

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's a sawdust that's dyed white or something. How many people are gonna die because of eggs at Taco Bell? Like, thousands and thousands. They're like, oh, we forgot to put

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

those ones in the refrigerator for nine months now. They're babies.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We thought they kept.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We thought they kept. Okay, shit.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We should. I feel like from now on, at the top of the show, we should go over any new fast food that I haven't heard of, because my mind is fucking blown right now.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yesterday when we were in Tampa and I was telling Karen, you've been there. You have an active serial killer. So I was telling Karen and everyone else here, the audience, about a murder that happened in Land O Lakes, and Karen lost her fucking mind.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I didn't know that was a real place where the butter came from.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I didn't either.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I. I became legitimate, at least starstruck, by a city that produces butter.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I'm not putting you down, because I didn't know till I was doing my research, and I was like, what? That's crazy. It's just.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, God bless it. There are good things that happen in this world also. It's just nice to remember that Positivity There's a lake filled with butter somewhere in Florida. I love that. I love.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Put that on the positivity board.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Put it on the positivity board next time.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That won't get you fired. Probably.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't forget Land O Lakes, everybody. Edward, get in here now. Stop using the positivity board. It was Edward.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Good. So after almost 20 years solitary fucking lockdown, writing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Awful.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, Writing dawn crazy fucking letters for four days, four times a day. And these are bananas letters. Sometimes they're coherent, sometimes they're not. It's really fucking sad. Like, for a moment, I hadn't really read about a lot of this, and for a moment I felt really bad for her. And then I was like, oh, wait a minute. She fucking killed a bunch of people in cold blood for no fucking reason. Yeah, okay. Got it. Okay. At the age of 45, she goes a few to the state and is like, can we stop it with it? Mandated appeals and can you just kill me?

[Karen Kilgariff]

No.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. She's like, I'm sick of all the taxpayer money going to this. It's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

And they were like, hey, remember when you said you wanted us to be raped? The answer is no.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Well, she was like, people, every time that I get that, the appeals get overturned. Some fucking big wig politician gets like, his bump because he fucking keeps her in. And that's the guy who's hard on crime. And like, she's. She's kind of over it and crazy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, clearly.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So she said. She says, look, bros, the murders weren't warrant self defense. I fucking killed them because I robbed them and I didn't want any witnesses. So they're like, okay, let's do it. And so I'm paraphrasing at the. Cause you were like, what happened to our legal system?

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well, and. Because that in and of itself could be a lie. I mean, like, there's so. It's such a gray area.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And she took it back later.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But I don't know how to feel about her.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I know the age of 46 years old. October 9, 2002, she is put to death. She said on the stand, when she's doing this thing, I'd kill again. And I. I have hate crawling through my system. Oh, that's it. 2002. That's silent.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye Eileen Wuornos.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But. She had it real bad. But there's lots of people that have it real bad. That's the thing.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That is the thing.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Who wants a jewelry box?

[Karen Kilgariff]

We don't have one.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We have time for a quick home talk.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We do too do.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, we're back. Are there any updates for this case?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Nothing really new to report. In October of 2025, Netflix did just release the documentary Eileen Queen of the Serial Killers, which explores Eileen's case. It's got a lot of great information, so check that out if you're interested. And then also the owner of the Last Resort Bar, which I have a T shirt from, from that show. Someone brought me a T shirt.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, that's right.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Remember, that's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So the owner of that bar, Al

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Bulling, owns some of Eileen's belongings and believes that she haunts his bar. And I feel like it almost seems like she's wanted there, which is like a nice little button on that where she was just so, you know, such an outcast.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes. Like, that's somewhere she belonged, as opposed to haunting this strip of highway where she killed people. It's definitely a nicer idea.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Totally.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Okay, now we're gonna go back into this live show and listen to a hometown from the audience.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Tell them the rules. There's rules.

[Karen Kilgariff]

They're really quick. Let's just do some rules really quick. It would be nice if you're. If the hometown that you have is from Florida. It's just more fun, right? Because then other people can yell at whatever city you name. It's good if you're not so drunk that you lose your own place in your own story, but that's up to you. And you can't read off paper. Those are the rules. So with that in mind, it's George's night to pick.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I hate this.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't torture them.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay, you right there.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, my God. Uh.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh. Okay, go over there, Vince.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Vince is right over there.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Here, Bring him his sunglasses.

[Karen Kilgariff]

How are you gonna get out? Yeah, just come over this.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, can she climb over?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah, come over.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, my God.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah, Save some time. Yes. I love this. Yes, right down there. Thank you. Thank you for that.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I saw her face when you went. You can't be that. She was raising her hand. Then you go, you can't be that drunk. And she goes, that's me. Like, she got so excited that she wasn't that drunk.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm right on the verge.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Where'd she go? Oh, Vince is like, go get my sunglasses.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So much pressure.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Where'd she go? There she comes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

She's partying backstage.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Uh oh. Come on, honey. Get out here. Hey. Hey. Hi.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What's your name?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I'm Kristen.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Kristen. And this is Kristen. Come over here. Stand on the magical rug.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay. Yeah, here we go. Where are you from? Here. Orlando. Orlando.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Nice hometown.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yep.

[Audience Member or Guest]

Okay, so this one is about my mom's best friend. When she was like, 20, 21, she went over to her best friend Catherine's house because they were planning her wedding because she was engaged. Catherine, she was engaged to this guy named Keith. And when they went over there, Catherine was missing because she. I guess to go and get hair dye or something, but she never came back.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

She's.

[Audience Member or Guest]

Cops come and they have found her body in the trunk of the car. She's been beaten and stabbed. And it turns out I'm gonna make it pretty short. It turns out that her. Her fiance, Catherine's fiance, Keith's best friend Danny, actually really hated Catherine and was

[Karen Kilgariff]

in love with Keith. Oh, shit.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yes. This is a new one. Yeah, yeah.

[Audience Member or Guest]

And it. But it gets even better. Well, not better, worse.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Worse.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

You guys get it.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Definitely worse. Definitely worse.

[Audience Member or Guest]

Yeah, definitely worse. Well, it turns out that. That he used to, like, make. Or Danny used to make fun of Catherine all the time because apparently we find out what happens. Yeah, but he also used to call her the Lazy Pig. Like, he would call her a lazy pig all the time.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's not a fun.

[Audience Member or Guest]

They found her car behind a restaurant called the Lazy Pig.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, no. Is that here in Orlando or what? Not any longer.

[Audience Member or Guest]

But yes, it was.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Fuck.

[Karen Kilgariff]

What kind of restaurant was it?

[Audience Member or Guest]

I'm gonna go with barbecue.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Barbecue.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I don't know. Wow. Makes sense. That's good deduction. Something. Yeah. But yeah, it was my mom.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

He did that on purpose, like, to send.

[Audience Member or Guest]

No, it was a total message sent. They actually did not find out it was him until a really long time after with Jeff Ashton. He was part of the Casey Anthony.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh, yeah.

[Audience Member or Guest]

He started a whole cold case thing in Orlando and she was actually the very first cold case case that they solved. So it wasn't until a long time after.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But, like, what?

[Audience Member or Guest]

We got our guy.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah. How many years was it?

[Audience Member or Guest]

I want to say probably a good 15.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, wow.

[Audience Member or Guest]

Because this happened in the early 70s and they didn't find out until, like, more towards the late 80s.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

So can you imagine this whole time, your friends, like, Keith's like, crying and his friends helping him, and then it turned out to be him. I was. Oh, my God.

[Audience Member or Guest]

Oh, yeah, yeah, because he was like, you said he was consoling and everything, and.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

What a creep.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah, that's.

[Audience Member or Guest]

And it was like, definitely like a passion murder. Like.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

And what was her name?

[Audience Member or Guest]

Catherine.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Catherine.

[Audience Member or Guest]

Her name was Katherine, which is what really matters.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Karen Kilgariff]

So that's that was horrifying. Yeah.

[Audience Member or Guest]

The lazy pig part is what freaks me out.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Lazy pig is the fucking worst.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Oh, man. You would have loved that jewelry box. I feel bad now.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, shit.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Because I was like, what if we give it to someone and they're like, I don't want this shit? And then it's like, she would love it. This is pretty cool.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I'm good with this.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Okay. Okay. Yes.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Kristen, everybody. That was great. So good. Should we give her Vince's sunglasses as a gift? That was awesome.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Wow.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Well done. Keep your eyes peeled for the friend of the boyfriend. That's a dick to you. Just. Yes. There's always something.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Boys, don't let your. Your friends be dicks to your girlfriends and mamas.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

That's.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I would say that's more important.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

That's a better.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Don't you think?

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Georgia Hardstark]

We're back. So this episode was originally titled Live at the Hard Rock in Orlando, but

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

if we were naming it today, we would call it based on the episode

[Georgia Hardstark]

Lady Buxton for sure.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

It's gotta be,

[Georgia Hardstark]

what a name. What a perfect name.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

And then also, that's not glitter, baby. The piece of fucking confetti that just flew down into this woman's lap like she was fucking blessed.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It was amazing.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's so weird.

[Georgia Hardstark]

It's like memento. I'm getting flashes of this show because it had those big boxes. They had boxes that kind of went up into the sky. Right. Like, it looked futuristic in that theater.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Yeah. It looked like an actual amphitheater. But you.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah, that was.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Oh, also and described the interior of that jewelry box at its salmon on the inside, which Aren't we all Salmon on the inside?

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

And then also. And we called it the rock, which is your burnout hangout, which I want to go to. Take me there, please.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Wine cooler rock. I think it's all grown over now.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Oh. All right.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

Well, thanks, you guys, for listening to rewind. Let's go say goodbye from the Orlando live show.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Orlando.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, that.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Thank you.

[Karen Kilgariff]

I feel like that went so fast.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

It did.

[Karen Kilgariff]

That went really fast. What a fucking incredible show. Thank you so much for getting tickets, standing in line, doing all of this.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah. Thank you for having us. Florida was not the state that I didn't want to go to. I wanted to come here because you guys just have so many murders.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

I mean, so excited.

[Karen Kilgariff]

It's crazy, the choices. It was an embarrassment of riches.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Yeah.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Oh, now you guys have to let Kristen sit down but as she passes, tell her what a great job she did.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Great job.

[Karen Kilgariff]

We really appreciate you guys all being here, mostly because you are enabling us to have this be our only job, which is nuts and a dream come true.

[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

We're so lucky. Thank you guys for supporting us through this whole insane thing that's been happening.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Crazy. And thank you for being here with us and staying. Stay sexy and don't get

[Georgia Hardstark]

some mornings require a little assistance in the face department.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

Yes, it really is a perfect product for those concerns.

[Karen Kilgariff]

But also if you don't think you're

[Georgia Hardstark]

great at makeup right, it's like a little dabber.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye. Goodbye.

[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Karen Kilgariff]

Goodbye.

[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Georgia Hardstark]

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[Producer/Ad Voice or Guest Host]

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[Guest or Co-host (possibly a tour manager or friend)]

Goodbye.