Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Podcast Summary: My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Episode: Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up
Release Date: January 8, 2025

My Favorite Murder, hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, is renowned for blending true crime with comedy, creating an engaging space where compelling crime stories are dissected with humor and empathy. In Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up, the duo takes a nostalgic journey back to one of their earlier episodes, diving deep into listener-submitted hometown murder stories. This episode not only revisits past narratives but also updates them with fresh commentary, providing listeners both new and old with a comprehensive and enriching experience.

Introduction to the Rewind Episode

Karen and Georgia open the episode by introducing the concept of their "Rewind" series, where they revisit previous episodes, offering updates and reflections from years past. They express excitement about revisiting Episode 27, titled "Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up," which marked the beginning of their mini-episode format where listeners continuously submitted their chilling stories.

[01:31] Karen Kilgariff: "This, if you don't know, is our Wednesday episode. It's new and we recap our old shows. We give you updates on them, new commentary from ten years later."

Revisiting Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up

The heart of this episode revolves around delving into numerous hometown murder emails that Karen and Georgia received over the years. They highlight the overwhelming response they've maintained for nine continuous years, emphasizing the depth and variety of stories shared by their audience.

Listener Story 1: Charlotte's Experience

Karen begins by reading a poignant story from a listener named Charlotte. Charlotte recounts a terrifying night from her teenage years when she was babysitting and became inadvertently involved in a murder investigation.

[15:17] Karen Kilgariff: "My first hometown murder is from someone named Charlotte... I was 13 or 14 years old."

Charlotte describes how she perceived noises outside, mistaking them for the couple she was babysitting for, only to later discover that the neighbor, Lyle Norman, had been brutally murdered. The harrowing account underscores the vulnerability and fear experienced by young individuals in unexpected and dangerous circumstances.

[17:20] Georgia Hardstark: "Now that's creepy."

Listener Story 2: Samantha M's Tragic Quadruple Murder

Georgia presents a heartbreaking story from Samantha M., detailing a quadruple murder that shattered her perception of normalcy in her affluent hometown of San Clemente, Orange County.

Samantha narrates the chilling details of how two identical twins, who were isolated and meticulously matched in appearance, along with their grandparents, were found deceased from a prescription drug overdose. The lack of a struggle and the presence of raw chicken on the kitchen counter add layers of mystery and sadness to the narrative.

[25:20] Karen Kilgariff: "That's so sad, Samantha. That's intense."

The discussion reflects on the facade of privilege and the hidden struggles that individuals may face behind closed doors.

[28:07] Georgia Hardstark: "It really sucks because it's a thing they're already suffering by."

Listener Story 3: Charissa's Investigation into Megan Huntsman

Karen shares a disturbing account from Charissa, who emails from Australia about Megan Huntsman, a woman charged with murdering and hiding six newborn babies over a decade. The story delves into Megan's heinous acts, including strangulation and suffocation of infants, and the shocking revelation of how one of her children discovered the gruesome secret.

[31:31] Georgia Hardstark: "What in the shit?"

She highlights the systemic failings that allowed Megan to continue her murders undetected, raising questions about oversight and the lengths individuals might go to conceal such atrocities.

[32:37] Georgia Hardstark: "Isn't it funny how many, like, fucking together people are trying so hard to have a goddamn baby, and then these fucking people who have meth and kill the babies."

Karen also provides an update on Megan Huntsman's parole hearing, slated for April 2064, emphasizing the long-term implications of such crimes.

[33:03] Karen Kilgariff: "Megan Huntsman's first parole hearing is slated for April of 2064."

Listener Story 4: Leonard's Encounter with the "Killer Dentist"

Georgia recounts a harrowing story from Leonard, whose father brutally murdered his mother and sister before fleeing and ultimately committing suicide. Leonard’s account uncovers the complexities of recognizing predatory behavior in seemingly benign individuals.

[34:44] Karen Kilgariff: "Leonard sat at Chili's with a fucking."

The narrative sheds light on the unpredictability of violent behavior and the misconceptions surrounding individuals who commit such acts.

Listener Story 5: Cody's Tale of Derek Percy in Australia

Karen reads an email from Cody, sharing the sinister acts of Derek Percy, a notorious Australian serial killer linked to multiple child murders. Cody narrates Percy's ability to hide his crimes for years and the eventual discovery that led to his life sentence.

[37:22] Georgia Hardstark: "Why did he have a hatchet?"

The story emphasizes the global nature of true crime and the universal fear of encountering such evil individuals in everyday life.

[38:31] Karen Kilgariff: "Google search Derek Percy. He is linked to so many child murders."

Listener Story 6: Molly’s Account of David Brum's Ax Murders

Karen shares a tragic story from Molly about David Brum, a 16-year-old who murdered his entire family in Rochester, Minnesota. The account highlights the devastating impact of familial conflict and mental health issues, culminating in David's participation in the crime before being apprehended.

[48:35] Karen Kilgariff: "In Rochester, Minnesota, this 16 year old named David Brum killed his mom, dad, little sister, and little brother."

Molly reflects on the societal and familial pressures that may lead to such extreme actions, prompting listeners to consider the root causes of familial violence.

[50:32] Georgia Hardstark: "Violence against children to teach them not to do something."

Listener Story 7: Kyleen's Mother's Brush with Thor Nil Christiansen

Georgia presents Kyleen's story about her mother’s deadly encounter with Thor Nil Christiansen, a serial killer who targeted several women in California. The narrative details the moment her mother escaped from a potentially fatal situation by using her wit and courage.

[52:02] Georgia Hardstark: "She picked up a lamp, smashed it over his head and screamed, get the fuck out of my house."

This story underscores the theme of survival and the strength individuals can muster in life-threatening situations.

[56:56] Georgia Hardstark: "I know, right? Fuck, man."

Case Updates and Host Reflections

Throughout the episode, Karen and Georgia intersperse their narrative with reflections and updates on the cases discussed. They delve into the psychology behind the crimes, societal implications, and their personal connections to the stories.

[09:50] Georgia Hardstark: "Things don't disappear from the Internet."

The hosts also touch upon the challenges of maintaining accuracy and the importance of listener engagement in uncovering forgotten or obscure cases.

[09:32] Garyail Kilgariff: "They cannot find it. They're like, we don't understand. But it's not online."

Conclusion and Final Remarks

As the episode draws to a close, Karen and Georgia express gratitude to their listeners for sharing their stories, reinforcing the podcast’s community-driven nature. They reiterate the importance of hearing these accounts, not just for the sake of crime-solving but also for understanding the human experiences behind them.

[63:12] Georgia Hardstark: "Thank you for listening to this episode of Rewind. We'll keep doing them if you keep listening."

The hosts conclude with their trademark humor, reminding listeners to stay safe and engaged with the podcast.

[63:18] Georgia Hardstark: "And don't get murdered. Bye."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

Karen Kilgariff [01:31]: "This, if you don't know, is our Wednesday episode. It's new and we recap our old shows. We give you updates on them, new commentary from ten years later."
Georgia Hardstark [17:20]: "Now that's creepy."
Karen Kilgariff [25:20]: "That's so sad, Samantha. That's intense."
Georgia Hardstark [28:07]: "It really sucks because it's a thing they're already suffering by."
Georgia Hardstark [44:57]: "The murder stayed with me a while."
Karen Kilgariff [33:03]: "Megan Huntsman's first parole hearing is slated for April of 2064."
Karen Kilgariff [37:22]: "Why did he have a hatchet?"
Georgia Hardstark [50:32]: "Violence against children to teach them not to do something."
Georgia Hardstark [56:56]: "I know, right? Fuck, man."

Final Thoughts

Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 27 serves as a testament to the enduring bond between the hosts and their audience. By revisiting and updating hometown murder stories, Karen and Georgia not only honor their listeners' experiences but also enrich the podcast's narrative tapestry. This episode exemplifies the show's unique blend of true crime exploration and comedic relief, making it a compelling listen for both newcomers and long-time fans.

Note: For those interested in exploring the cases discussed, references such as "Lyle Norman, Butler, Missouri," "Derek Percy," and "Thor Christensen" are mentioned for further research. Additionally, Karen and Georgia encourage listeners to engage with the podcast through their social media platforms, fostering a community of shared stories and mutual support.

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[00:02]
Karen Kilgariff
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[00:17]
Georgia Hardstark
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[00:19]
Karen Kilgariff
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[01:09]
Georgia Hardstark
Done.
[01:18]
Karen Kilgariff
My favorite.
[01:27]
Georgia Hardstark
Hello and welcome to REW with Karen and Georgia.
[01:31]
Karen Kilgariff
This, if you don't know, is our Wednesday episode. It's new and we recap our old shows. We give you updates on them, new commentary from ten years later. I mean, you know, the whole thing. It's like a recap show, but you're doing it to yourself.
[01:46]
Georgia Hardstark
You just keep doing it to yourself.
[01:48]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[01:48]
Georgia Hardstark
Today we're revisiting episode 27, which is a really fun one. It's titled you, Hometown Murder email roundup.
[01:55]
Karen Kilgariff
Who thought of that? What a great title.
[01:57]
Georgia Hardstark
And this was the episode that paved the way for our minisodes, where we tell you. Cause guess what? They never stopped coming in.
[02:05]
Karen Kilgariff
I mean, nine years.
[02:06]
Georgia Hardstark
Nine years. We love it. If you have one, send it to my favorite murdermail, not my personal email account that I gave out in the beginning of this show.
[02:13]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, that's right. What's your new email?
[02:15]
Georgia Hardstark
My favorite murdermail.
[02:18]
Karen Kilgariff
This episode was originally released on Thursday, July 28th, 2016.
[02:23]
Georgia Hardstark
So push your earbuds in a little deeper because now we can all be day one listeners.
[02:28]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay, here's the intro of episode 27. Uh, hi, welcome to My favorite Murderer.
[02:37]
Georgia Hardstark
That's Karen. No, let's start over. I hate that, but we're leaving it in. But let's say let's start over. Okay, let's start over.
[02:45]
Karen Kilgariff
Welcome to My favorite.
[02:47]
Georgia Hardstark
Welcome.
[02:48]
Karen Kilgariff
Welcome to My favorite.
[02:50]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, this is so bad.
[02:52]
Karen Kilgariff
It's it's just uncomfortable to start a podcast. I think anyone listening understands that.
[02:58]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[02:59]
Karen Kilgariff
It's uncomfortable to pretend while you're sitting in your friend's apartment that you suddenly have some kind of official, like, it's as if we're on the radio.
[03:09]
Georgia Hardstark
Well, you and I have been talking pretty mellowly in a mellow manner. Fifteen minutes, and then we suddenly break in face to face into, like, newscaster voice is weird.
[03:19]
Karen Kilgariff
Hey, Georgia.
[03:20]
Georgia Hardstark
Here it is.
[03:21]
Karen Kilgariff
What's up, girl?
[03:23]
Georgia Hardstark
Are you.
[03:25]
Karen Kilgariff
What's your murdery day been like?
[03:27]
Georgia Hardstark
My day has been murderlicious. And then I just throw myself off a balcony. Let's start over.
[03:34]
Karen Kilgariff
That's. Welcome to my favorite Murder, the podcast that answers the question, should you talk about murders?
[03:43]
Georgia Hardstark
The answer is no. We already know the answer.
[03:47]
Karen Kilgariff
Goodbye.
[03:48]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, I just murdered my toes.
[03:50]
Karen Kilgariff
What were you going to say?
[03:51]
Georgia Hardstark
I was going to say that I watched two episodes of Marcella. You know when it's like, I know one of them is wrong and I don't know which one?
[03:59]
Karen Kilgariff
No, no, no. I'm laughing because the people on the show say Marcella.
[04:02]
Georgia Hardstark
Right. That's one of the things about it is it's like she keeps correcting them. Yeah, I wasn't into it.
[04:07]
Karen Kilgariff
You did not like it.
[04:08]
Georgia Hardstark
I need you to talk me through it.
[04:11]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, if you didn't like it, you didn't like it.
[04:13]
Georgia Hardstark
I just really didn't. I thought she wasn't. It wasn't believable to me that she was so crazy. I'm not gonna give anything away. It's this British procedural crime drama.
[04:27]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, we've talked about it.
[04:28]
Georgia Hardstark
I know, but maybe someone's new here.
[04:30]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, true, true. Are you. True, true, true. Are you new?
[04:32]
Georgia Hardstark
Are you new?
[04:33]
Karen Kilgariff
Are you new? I mean, I don't know. I just liked it. But also, I really do like. As long as it's new and British. Yeah.
[04:41]
Georgia Hardstark
You specifically like those.
[04:43]
Karen Kilgariff
I really do. I think they do crime procedurals. Great.
[04:46]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. I think that I am less interested.
[04:51]
Karen Kilgariff
You don't like drama, per se.
[04:54]
Georgia Hardstark
Slow.
[04:55]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, they're very slow.
[04:56]
Georgia Hardstark
I don't like slow. And then I don't like. I can't understand your accent half the time, so I'm not following. And also, you're driving on the wrong side of the road.
[05:03]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, my God. And why are you drinking tea, like, seven times a day?
[05:07]
Georgia Hardstark
In addition. What the fuck?
[05:11]
Karen Kilgariff
Let's vow to never do those voices again.
[05:13]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, my God, never.
[05:14]
Karen Kilgariff
Except for our real voices, which sound.
[05:16]
Georgia Hardstark
A lot like that, which we don't want to Admit actually sound exactly like that.
[05:20]
Karen Kilgariff
Sound kind of exact. I will recommend this, although it is off topic of the direct murder topic. I've been watching Stranger Things, which is.
[05:29]
Georgia Hardstark
I was gonna bring it up.
[05:30]
Karen Kilgariff
Really love it.
[05:31]
Georgia Hardstark
Two episodes in love. It's so good.
[05:34]
Karen Kilgariff
Love it. And as a person who grew up in the 80s like those houses, it's a new Netflix series, if you haven't seen it called Stranger Things. It's very popular. People are loving it. Winona Ryder is a star. Very proud to see her there. Hometown girl, Winona R. And it's so good. She's great. It's really fun. But that like the friend Barb. The first time the main girl's friend Barb from school. Oh my God, Barb is showed up. Barb is the best. And Barb's hair, glasses and clothes to a person today you're like, what the fuck? That's exactly what everybody looked like.
[06:08]
Georgia Hardstark
She could not be more on point. The on pointiest point person in the 80s.
[06:12]
Karen Kilgariff
Young girls dressed like they were doing a middle aged secretary cosplay. And I don't know why we didn't have a choice.
[06:21]
Georgia Hardstark
Had divorced mother of three cosplay.
[06:25]
Karen Kilgariff
My friend Heidi Lilly, God rest her soul, had a pair of glasses that were tinted pink on the bottom and blue on the top in seventh grade, so it looked like she was wearing blush and eyeshadow. And I was obsessed with them.
[06:37]
Georgia Hardstark
You know what's so weird is you can tell, you can tell how they got hot.
[06:42]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
[06:42]
Georgia Hardstark
You know what I mean?
[06:43]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
[06:43]
Georgia Hardstark
Like you can tell how then later in the 80s, early 90s, maybe in their early 40s, they suddenly got super hot. Yeah, but they, but then they show the dude that they're dating or the lady they're dating their photo from high school and you're all like, what the fuck? Yeah, but I did, I do want her clothes. Like that's my style. Yes, that's right.
[07:04]
Karen Kilgariff
A nice high neck, like a ruffle neck collar blouse made of polyester. There were a lot of like matching vests.
[07:11]
Georgia Hardstark
They all look in the early 80s. They all look like they have too many layers on.
[07:14]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes. Anyways, there were tons of layers.
[07:16]
Georgia Hardstark
That show is great.
[07:17]
Karen Kilgariff
It's a great show. Watch that. And I'm sure there's somebody out there that's watched the whole thing and gone, yeah, you're a day late and a dollar short. Good. Fair. Fair play.
[07:26]
Georgia Hardstark
I don't think it's fair. I think it's unfair that we can talk. We can talk about it. And I'm like, super excited about it. And other people are like, I finished it. And I have so many questions about, like, you know, like, who's this? Who's that? What happened here? What happened there?
[07:38]
Karen Kilgariff
Because you haven't finished it.
[07:39]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, yeah. The kid without teeth.
[07:42]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, yeah.
[07:43]
Georgia Hardstark
Love him.
[07:43]
Karen Kilgariff
He's. He's a spin off in and of himself.
[07:45]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, my God.
[07:46]
Karen Kilgariff
He's a great actor.
[07:48]
Georgia Hardstark
You know what I love about that is the opening credits.
[07:50]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
[07:51]
Georgia Hardstark
They could not be more 80s.
[07:52]
Karen Kilgariff
They're so dead on.
[07:54]
Georgia Hardstark
They're so not unsolved mysteries. But what was the other one? The, like, imaginary stories or someone's yelling at home. And I know they are.
[08:03]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[08:04]
Georgia Hardstark
What? It's not. It was like, creepy stories.
[08:09]
Karen Kilgariff
Knock. Tales from the Crypt.
[08:11]
Georgia Hardstark
No, but it was like that.
[08:13]
Karen Kilgariff
Creepy stories.
[08:14]
Georgia Hardstark
Creepy stories. I don't know.
[08:17]
Karen Kilgariff
Anyway, it's great.
[08:21]
Georgia Hardstark
I love how dated this is that we're talking about. The first season of Stranger Things.
[08:27]
Karen Kilgariff
The first season.
[08:28]
Georgia Hardstark
That was an epic season. First season.
[08:30]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, I mean, like, it's the reason it got so big. And it is. What it is, is. Cause, like, man, it was just like, what are we looking at? This is such a good idea.
[08:38]
Georgia Hardstark
It felt good. It was good. The sweaters were great.
[08:41]
Karen Kilgariff
And Winona Ryder coming. Winona, hometown hero.
[08:46]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, yeah, that's right. She's your hometown girl.
[08:48]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, she is.
[08:48]
Georgia Hardstark
Love her.
[08:49]
Karen Kilgariff
This is really funny. We talk about a Rolling Stone article that ran about us.
[08:55]
Georgia Hardstark
Isn't it crazy that 26 episodes in we had a rolling. We were in Rolling Stone. Like, I remember feeling elated, like, I read Rolling Stone as a kid.
[09:03]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, yeah.
[09:04]
Georgia Hardstark
I was obsessed. And that was such a moment for me.
[09:07]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, I bet. You know, I'm sure I was like, ooh, this seems like a bad idea. But what's crazy is Aaron Brown, who helps us produce these rewind episodes and works on them a lot. And of course, Allison, they tried to find this article. They cannot find it. They're like, we don't understand. But it's not online. Like, we need someone to search it.
[09:32]
Georgia Hardstark
Things don't disappear from the Internet.
[09:34]
Karen Kilgariff
So what we're thinking is, hey, if you listener can find this article we're talking about in this episode and you write in and show it to us, you will win a free sweatshirt of your choosing.
[09:47]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, I love that from us, though. Not like Land's End or whatever.
[09:51]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, no, it's going to be one of my old sweatshirts.
[09:54]
Georgia Hardstark
I'm going to choose one of Karen's old sweatshirts.
[09:56]
Karen Kilgariff
I have one that says Sardines on the front of it. That's pretty cool. I cut the bottom off.
[10:00]
Georgia Hardstark
That's so Gen Z of you.
[10:02]
Karen Kilgariff
Right? I'm trying to get in there with the 20 year olds. I think it'll work.
[10:06]
Georgia Hardstark
It's gonna happen. All right, let's get into the episode. This is really cool because we had the idea to read Hometowns, which is now fucking legendary. Monday episode.
[10:17]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, my God.
[10:18]
Georgia Hardstark
Where we just read you your hometowns. If you guys, like, skip those. Somehow you are missing out on some of those beautiful stories. Beautiful, terrifying, heartwarming, hilarious, weird fucking stories. It's become its own monster.
[10:31]
Karen Kilgariff
The minisodes are a joy. And I think sometimes people are like, oh, no, I'm just a hardcore true crime listener. And it's like, yeah, but this adjacent in the perfect way where it starts out as people telling their hometowns, but then we got people to kind of tell us stories about their grandma and about this and about that, and now it is just good stories.
[10:51]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. And I think it's also I hear from people saying, I don't like true crime, so I only listen to the minisode. So it's kind of great for like your mom on a road trip or something like that.
[10:59]
Karen Kilgariff
Right. You know, or like my sister, who has never listened to one episode of this podcast.
[11:04]
Georgia Hardstark
Perfect. Okay, so let's kick this off in this hometown. Karen reads a story from a listener named Charlotte.
[11:17]
Karen Kilgariff
At New Balance, we believe if you run, you're a runner, however you choose to do it. Because when you're not worried about doing.
[11:26]
Georgia Hardstark
Things the right way, you're free to discover your way. Come and be a winner.
[11:36]
Karen Kilgariff
And that's what running's all about.
[11:38]
Georgia Hardstark
Run your way. @newbalance.com Running. Let's start.
[11:46]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay.
[11:47]
Georgia Hardstark
Start the podcast.
[11:48]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, you know what we're gonna do this week, everybody? Skippers, come back.
[11:52]
Georgia Hardstark
Very special episode.
[11:53]
Karen Kilgariff
Today's a very special episode because we have a Gmail inbox filled with hundreds of hometown murders. Hundreds.
[12:03]
Georgia Hardstark
Hundreds.
[12:03]
Karen Kilgariff
Hundreds. So we've. We decided we're gonna dig in, as we have been promising to do for a long time, and just start reading some of them.
[12:10]
Georgia Hardstark
So this is a long form hometown murder episode.
[12:14]
Karen Kilgariff
And it's good because there's a lot of good murders in there. We're just gonna. You're just gonna get a bunch of minis at once for your buck.
[12:23]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. And we absolutely didn't text each other this morning and say, I can't. I don't have time to find a murder.
[12:30]
Karen Kilgariff
I can't do this homework.
[12:31]
Georgia Hardstark
I Have a job today for one day of my life.
[12:35]
Karen Kilgariff
It's 100 degrees outside. I can't be expected to look on Wikipedia for 10 minutes.
[12:41]
Georgia Hardstark
Find our murder. Oh, no. What about all the people who are finding us? And this is their first episode they listened to.
[12:47]
Karen Kilgariff
Guys, hang in there. Don't give up.
[12:48]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, start from the beginning.
[12:50]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, start from the beginning. And then let the love build a little bit before you get to this kind of. What is this episode? 27.
[12:58]
Georgia Hardstark
27.
[12:59]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[12:59]
Georgia Hardstark
Last was 26. 66.
[13:01]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, that's right. 27. That's weird.
[13:03]
Georgia Hardstark
It's just weird. I like that we always know what episode, how many episodes we've done based on, just because that's what we call them.
[13:10]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, that's right.
[13:11]
Georgia Hardstark
So I got a bunch. So people who start the podcast from the beginning don't know that. And we didn't have a My Favorite Murder Gmail then.
[13:20]
Karen Kilgariff
Right.
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Georgia Hardstark
So there's. They send them to my email address so you don't see them.
[13:24]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, okay. These are your private hometown murders.
[13:27]
Georgia Hardstark
So I know that they are not deep into the podcast when they send that. Send them to my account, but I also hide them from you, so we're good.
[13:34]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay. I like. I like to have secrets. You know that about me.
[13:37]
Georgia Hardstark
We love secrets.
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Karen Kilgariff
We love them. Do you?
[13:39]
Georgia Hardstark
Why don't you start? Someone said someone on the Facebook page was like, I love the way you guys don't know who's supposed to go first. You're so off every week.
[13:49]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
[13:50]
Georgia Hardstark
When I'm like, it's your laundry. Really?
[13:52]
Karen Kilgariff
We're never right.
[13:52]
Georgia Hardstark
You're never right.
[13:53]
Karen Kilgariff
Guys, as much as we love doing this podcast, it's not like we're that interested in it.
[13:58]
Georgia Hardstark
There was a great. There was a Rolling Stone article. Thank you very much, rollingstone.
[14:02]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, that's right.
[14:03]
Georgia Hardstark
That said, like, they're not big on facts. They say themselves. There's a reason they're in the comedy category.
[14:09]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. But, hey, guess what, Rolling Stone. You can. You can throw stones at glass houses all you want, but you spelled my name right at the top of the article and misspelled it in the middle. So guess what? You can go fuck yourself.
[14:21]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, go fuck you. We. We were way off when we started this podcast by two people who are very complicated for some reason. Last names.
[14:29]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Very compound words that everyone uses on.
[14:34]
Georgia Hardstark
A regular goddamn basis, and yet they just don't go next to each other, according to everyone in the fucking world.
[14:39]
Karen Kilgariff
And I understand mine are the combinations of ours.
[14:43]
Georgia Hardstark
Y.
[14:44]
Karen Kilgariff
There's. It's A question that no one's ever gotten. Ever.
[14:46]
Georgia Hardstark
Did you see it once and you read it and you're like, that's. That's how you read it?
[14:50]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, if you're a copy editor and you check it once, you better get the second one.
[14:54]
Georgia Hardstark
Check. They never got covered by Rolling Stones. Bye.
[14:59]
Karen Kilgariff
That's called biting the hand that feeds you. That's how. This is how we do.
[15:07]
Georgia Hardstark
All right.
[15:07]
Karen Kilgariff
My first hometown murder is from someone named Charlotte. And she says, hi, George and Karen. I absolutely love the show. I have told my sister about your podcast, and she is now a huge fan also.
[15:18]
Georgia Hardstark
Thank you.
[15:18]
Karen Kilgariff
Thank you. If you have a sister and you haven't told her yet. Oh, come on.
[15:22]
Georgia Hardstark
It'll bring you guys together. Instead of being mad at her for throwing a Barbie at your head when you were six. Leigh Leigh Hardstark.
[15:29]
Karen Kilgariff
Leigh Hardstark. That's going out to you.
[15:31]
Georgia Hardstark
Then everything's fine.
[15:33]
Karen Kilgariff
Instead of being mad at her for chasing you down the hallway and beating you with a brush, Laura killed Gareth. All my life.
[15:42]
Georgia Hardstark
Our sisters do an episode one. One week.
[15:44]
Karen Kilgariff
My sister does not listen to this. And every time she's like, people keep telling me, like, she went to her high school reunion, she's like, oh, my God. People were telling me they like your podcast, but I don't even understand what you're doing. Like, she brings a level of disdain to everything.
[15:59]
Georgia Hardstark
If they can't. If your family can't watch it on TV and see your name on television, they don't think you're succeeding.
[16:05]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't count. No, all we have are you guys who listen and love, hopefully.
[16:10]
Georgia Hardstark
Thanks, guys.
[16:11]
Karen Kilgariff
Or listen and judge. I'll take anything.
[16:13]
Georgia Hardstark
Love and judge. Same thing.
[16:14]
Karen Kilgariff
Whatever. All right. So she said, many of the things you say are thoughts I have, but nobody. But nobody to really tell them to. Yeah, that would understand. In parentheses. So when I first listened to your podcast, I was like, oh, my God, there are others out there. That's exactly right, Charlotte. I grew up in a small town of about 4200 south of Kansas City, Missouri. My sister babysat for a wonderful family, and when went to college, I then filled in for her. So this would have been in 1979 or 1980. I was 13 or 14 years old. Oh, she'd like Stranger Things. That's her jam. Sometimes my mom would come over and visit while I was babysitting. Just swing by and say hi, chat for a bit. This particular night, my mom came over, and by the time she left to go Home. It was dark, around 10:30 or so. I thought I heard a car door and thinking it was the couple I was babysitting for, I went and turned the front porch light on for them. They didn't come in and so I thought, okay, I guess that was just another car in the neighborhood. It was around 11:30 or 12 when they got home and the husband of the couple took me home. Around 2am, my dad.
[17:20]
Georgia Hardstark
Now that's creepy.
[17:21]
Karen Kilgariff
Now that's creepy. Around 2am, my dad comes in my room and wakes me up and says that there are two highway patrol officers downstairs and they want to talk to me. What the fuck? George's eyes are as wide as they possibly could be and she looks legitimately scared.
[17:38]
Georgia Hardstark
So excited.
[17:39]
Karen Kilgariff
My first thought was, oh my God, something happened to one of the kids in their sleep. Or something like that. They told us that the next door neighbor, Lyle Norman. And then in parentheses. Is it okay to give names? Yes, but. Yes, because. Yes, because this is now a case. The next door neighbor, Lyle Norman, of the house I was babysitting at. She means next door to the house she was babysitting at had just been murdered in his house the same time I was babysitting next door that wasn't a car door. And asked if I heard or saw anything strange. Come to find out the man Lyle had just been on a CRU and stopped by a bar or casino or something and picked up a guy and brought him home. Sorry, trying to type this with two cats prancing back and forth on my computer.
[18:25]
Georgia Hardstark
I get it.
[18:26]
Karen Kilgariff
All right. It doesn't. Anyway, this guy stabbed Lyle, killing him and probably robbed him. And they think he left around the 10:30 ish time when I heard the car door, thinking it was the couple I was babysitting for. When I turned the front.
[18:41]
Georgia Hardstark
Lord, liar.
[18:42]
Karen Kilgariff
I'm really glad I didn't go outside and see if it was the couple or not. And I was just so thankful my mom had run into the crazy guy when she went out to her car and that the kids were okay. That was so sad to hear. Lyle been murdered. I think they ended up catching the guy. But if you search Lyle Norman, Butler, Missouri, the story should pop up.
[19:01]
Georgia Hardstark
That's a murderer's name. No, wait.
[19:04]
Karen Kilgariff
No, he's. He's the victim.
[19:05]
Georgia Hardstark
Anyways, that's what I meant.
[19:07]
Karen Kilgariff
It sounds like a victim and then she's got a second one. You want me to read it?
[19:12]
Georgia Hardstark
I don't. Yes.
[19:13]
Karen Kilgariff
One other quick story. My husband at the time and I and my daughter lived out in the country, in an old house in an area where a battle occurred during the Civil War time. And my husband worked night. So I let my daughter sleep with me. In the middle of the night, I hear one of her music boxes fucking playing. That's what she wrote, fucking playing. It had been played long enough that it woke me up. And I was pretty heavy sleeper back then. I'm flipping out, but laid really still in case it was someone robbing us or something. But then I thought, why would somebody wind up music box? A minute or two later, I hear something fall on the ground in the other room. I lay awake forever. Didn't want to leave my daughter alone in bed and had my hand on this heavy lamp in case I needed it to protect me. And she with it. The next morning, I slowly walk into the next room where there's a sturdy coat rack that had a shelf above it that had books and heavy flower pot on it. The books were on the ground, the flower pot was still on the shelf. No, there wasn't any way the cat could have gotten on this shelf. Then I go to my daughter's bedroom and see where her music boxes were. They were all on a shelf that went along one wall. And the shelf was up near the ceiling. And an adult could reach it with a chair, but she couldn't have reached it and hadn't played with them in forever. Then we find a piece of raw chicken on a paper plate on the kitchen counter and none of us put it there.
[20:33]
Georgia Hardstark
What?
[20:33]
Karen Kilgariff
No, I'm going to say ghost. A friend built a house down the road years later and said they walked in their living room one evening and an old woman who was sitting in a rocky chair.
[20:43]
Georgia Hardstark
Bye, Karen. It was nice knowing you.
[20:46]
Karen Kilgariff
No doubt the area is haunte raw chicken, though.
[20:49]
Georgia Hardstark
That's like. That suddenly took a turn for the.
[20:51]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, raw chicken is. Yeah, I'm not. Maybe it was a cat. Maybe it was a really, really, really smart cat that loved music.
[20:59]
Georgia Hardstark
Do you know what? Go on. Sorry.
[21:00]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, she just ends it by saying last crazy thing. If you Google people in the 1800s posing with dead bodies. Holy shit. That's fucked up. Anyway, take care. Stay safe. Thanks for letting me share, Charlotte.
[21:13]
Georgia Hardstark
She's good.
[21:14]
Karen Kilgariff
Good job, Charlotte.
[21:15]
Georgia Hardstark
Did I ever tell you So I totally don't believe in ghosts, if they exist. Fine. I'm not gonna argue it, but when I was a little kid, I was in bed. I had insomnia. It was like I woke up like three in the morning. I was lying there in bed and I Saw. And we had, like a. We had, like a closet that. Like, on roller doors.
[21:32]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
[21:33]
Georgia Hardstark
And one just opened. One of the closets just opened while.
[21:36]
Karen Kilgariff
You were lying there looking at it.
[21:37]
Georgia Hardstark
And we didn't have cats yet. Cause my parents were still married, and that wasn't a thing yet. So, like, I just got all the courage in my life and ran to my parents. But I totally saw the. I saw it open.
[21:48]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, my God.
[21:53]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay, we're back.
[21:55]
Karen Kilgariff
No updates on Charlotte's story. Charlotte, if you're listening, that's on you. You should have dropped us a line. Keep us posted. Now, if you have anything else to.
[22:04]
Georgia Hardstark
Tell us about your story, we need updates.
[22:06]
Karen Kilgariff
But thank you, Charlotte, because you are one of the early people that were like, oh, you want a story out? Take some time and send it in.
[22:12]
Georgia Hardstark
This is exactly what you want. You heard a sound. It meant nothing at the time, and then it turned out it meant fucking everything. And here's the story behind it. Like, that is exactly what we want.
[22:22]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Any sound stories?
[22:25]
Georgia Hardstark
What does the sound mean?
[22:27]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay, now here's Georgia's first hometown from Samantha M. Okay, now you go.
[22:35]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna. Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna start mellow to keep you to stay around. Because sometimes I'll read. I'll, like, tune into these podcasts. It's like a listener shit. And I'm like, oh, it's gonna be boring. I came here to listen to you guys talk.
[22:48]
Karen Kilgariff
Right?
[22:49]
Georgia Hardstark
So, no, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go slow.
[22:51]
Karen Kilgariff
So wait, so you're starting. You're in fear that people will think it's boring. You're starting mellow.
[22:57]
Georgia Hardstark
Is that just. You wanna. You wanna catch them? And they're all good? Okay, all right, I'm gonna. I'm gonna start. Good.
[23:03]
Karen Kilgariff
I'm not questioning you. I'm just clarify.
[23:05]
Georgia Hardstark
You are, but you are correct.
[23:07]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay, okay, okay.
[23:08]
Georgia Hardstark
I just want to say that it's correct. So Samantha M. Says. So I have one of the creepiest hometown murder stories. At first, it never occurred to me. Then I remembered this horrible quadruple murder that happened while growing up. I went to elementary, elementary, junior and high school with these identical twins. They were a grade older than me, so I never had a class with them, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway. They didn't associate with anyone from school, didn't go to parties, weren't allowed to go to dances, and didn't even speak to anyone besides each other. Ew. They ate Lunch alone at a table to themselves.
[23:44]
Karen Kilgariff
Identical twins.
[23:45]
Georgia Hardstark
Identical twins. They were of Middle Eastern descent, so I assumed their parents were simply strict. The odd thing about them, however, is that they dressed. And this is in all caps. Identical every single day, the entire time I knew them. This beginning from kindergarten to graduation. And when I say identical, I mean everything from their hair barrettes to their watches, socks and shoes match. Never missed a day. We know where this is going. It was a golden retriever. They were both golden retrievers.
[24:15]
Karen Kilgariff
You know, golden retrievers love to match.
[24:19]
Georgia Hardstark
It was two golden retrievers on each other's shoulders with a trench coat. Anyways, we all graduated and never saw them again. Their parents were very wealthy. They lived in this gated community of. In the mansions of San Clemente. That's Orange county, where I'm from. Very rich people. Where their mom's best friend lives. I actually. Where my mom's best friend lives. I actually did my pictures for my wedding and got ready at her house, the mom's house, because it's so beautiful and overlooks the ocean. The girls were still living at home and attending college when this happened. Family members approached police saying that they hadn't heard from the girls and their parents for a while and it was unusual. The police did a perimeter search and stated that maybe they had gone on vacation. Yeah, wrong. Per protocol, they were not allowed to break in yet. The next week, the family pestered the police again, stating that this was highly unusual for them not to let anyone know they had left. I believe it was two or more perimeter checks before police finally broke in, at which time the smell was so bad they had to have people come in with scuba masks.
[25:21]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, no.
[25:22]
Georgia Hardstark
The bodies were so badly decomposed, it took a while to find the cause of death. But they were able to determine that the entire family was wearing black. No evidence of a struggle was present. The girls were lying next to each other in bed. The grandmother was on a lounge chair, and the parents were in their closet. Eventually, they determined the girls and grandmother died of a prescription drug overdose. And the parents went in the closet where their mother shot the husband. Where the mother shot the husband and then killed herself.
[25:49]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, my.
[25:50]
Georgia Hardstark
The whole thing was super creepy and made me realize how you never really know what goes on in a person's life behind closed doors. I feel bad for what kind of lives these girls must have had in spite of their outward facade of money and privilege. Hope to hear more of you guys. Thank you, Samantha.
[26:06]
Karen Kilgariff
That's so sad, Samantha. That's intense. Although I Have to say, I understand what she means by saying you never know what goes on behind closed doors. But I think you had a slight indication with people who dressed exactly like each other from kindergarten to through high school.
[26:24]
Georgia Hardstark
And if I had twins, one of their heads would be shaved their entire life.
[26:28]
Karen Kilgariff
That's a good idea.
[26:29]
Georgia Hardstark
Never cut their hair.
[26:30]
Karen Kilgariff
That's a good idea.
[26:31]
Georgia Hardstark
Right. Maybe she's the girl. Yeah. And then they psychologically be fine from then on out.
[26:36]
Karen Kilgariff
If you scar them early, nothing else can hurt them.
[26:39]
Georgia Hardstark
Right. Because they don't know any different. All you get scarred.
[26:42]
Karen Kilgariff
It was like a mini Heaven's gate.
[26:44]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[26:45]
Karen Kilgariff
That's so intense.
[26:47]
Georgia Hardstark
It is weird, you know, and you think, I. I do this a lot or. I think back to kids I went to elementary school with, and I'm like, oh, man, I bet you had some fucked up. Like your shit was real fucked up.
[26:56]
Karen Kilgariff
And you. I just thank God that I was so ignorant.
[27:00]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[27:01]
Karen Kilgariff
And just I thought. Well, back then I thought everyone had the life I had. I remember asking my teacher, our Ellen Lesher, who is my grammar school teacher and family friend.
[27:12]
Georgia Hardstark
So sad.
[27:14]
Karen Kilgariff
She put me to bed one night when she was over having dinner with my parents, and I wanted her to come and tuck me in. And so she said, do you, like. She asked me if I had any question I could ask. She told me I could ask her anything. She did an AMA with me. She did an analog ama. Oh, my God. And I asked her, I said, there's a little girl in my class. Let's just say her name was Sarah Jane. And I said, why is Sarah Jane's face always dirty? And I was saying it like. Cause I thought she was going to give me some answer. And she said, because she doesn't have anybody to clean it for her. And as a fourth grader, I just started crying in my bed. I had no idea. I had no idea that anybody would live that way.
[27:59]
Georgia Hardstark
No.
[28:00]
Karen Kilgariff
And that, I mean, that's how intensely privileged and like. And, you know, sheltered, oblivious.
[28:08]
Georgia Hardstark
Yes. I know that. Robert. This kid in my class, like, everyone made fun of him because he smelled bad and wore the same clothes all the time. And now I'm like, oh, your mom was a hoarder and couldn't have her. Like, I clearly understand now that it wasn't your fucking choice to be like that and you got made fun of. And that's. I hope he's okay.
[28:25]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, that's. Yeah. And kids don't have a choice.
[28:27]
Georgia Hardstark
Like, that's.
[28:28]
Karen Kilgariff
That's the one good thing I always make jokes about, like, we need to bring bullying back. But I am totally joking in that way that, like, kids don't. Kids get attacked.
[28:38]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[28:38]
Karen Kilgariff
By other kids for things that they. That are not their fault.
[28:41]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[28:42]
Karen Kilgariff
And it really sucks because it's a thing they're already suffering by.
[28:45]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. I got it. I got it. And I did it to other people. Like, as much as I want to be, like, I was a nerd and made fun of a lot, like, well, I deflected my. My. By making fun of other people.
[28:55]
Karen Kilgariff
Like, yeah.
[28:56]
Georgia Hardstark
I wasn't better than the popular kids making fun of me.
[28:59]
Karen Kilgariff
Like, then you shouldn't have a podcast. Well, no, I was. I Same here. And that's because it's mob rules. You don't want to be the target. You have to make sure someone else stays the target so it's not you.
[29:11]
Georgia Hardstark
I wish I was like. Like Matilda or like those kids in movies where you're like, they stand up for kids who are underdogs and make friends with them. And it's like, no, I was kind of a dick too.
[29:20]
Karen Kilgariff
I mean, that's the majority of people.
[29:22]
Georgia Hardstark
I think all we can do now is have a great podcast.
[29:27]
Karen Kilgariff
That's the only thing we can do.
[29:28]
Georgia Hardstark
Now is podcast to the world. Oh, yeah. This one was so sad and heartbreaking and so true about not knowing what goes on behind closed doors in people's lives. No matter what facade they put up, you just never know.
[29:47]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, it's. I mean, I was just thinking it's bad. It may get worse on this next one that we go into.
[29:54]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay. This is Karen's second hometown from Charissa. Okay, Karen, you got.
[30:04]
Karen Kilgariff
Charissa sent us this. It says, hello, ladies. I started listening. I have very sibilant S's. I've noticed this lately on the podcast.
[30:12]
Georgia Hardstark
You went in the where?
[30:13]
Karen Kilgariff
This is not closer. This is me talking. My S's are very sharp.
[30:17]
Georgia Hardstark
S. Is it because mine are soft?
[30:19]
Karen Kilgariff
No, No. I think it's because my teeth are floating and moving around in my mouth.
[30:24]
Georgia Hardstark
That's a creepy.
[30:25]
Karen Kilgariff
So there's some kind of. Like, I keep. Anyway, there's.
[30:29]
Georgia Hardstark
There's a new level corner.
[30:31]
Karen Kilgariff
There's a new level of self consciousness.
[30:33]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, for sure.
[30:35]
Karen Kilgariff
That I need to get rid. Cause who gives a fuck?
[30:37]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, my God. At the end of the day, it's just you and I. I know. Nobody listen. It's just you and I and my asses.
[30:42]
Karen Kilgariff
Hello, ladies. I just started listening to your podcast this week, and I haven't gotten all the way through the episodes. Yet. So I hope this isn't a duplicate. So do I, Clarissa. Anyway, I have not one, but two hometown murders for you. The first one is just plain horrifying. It happened in a house that is almost directly across the street from me. And the killer was Megan Huntsman. She has been charged with killing and hiding six newborn babies in her garage. Oh, fuck. Somehow, and I'm still trying to figure this out, she managed to hide seven pregnancies over a decade. She never went to the hospital. No one knew what was going on. Apparently she would give birth, strangle or suffocate the baby, wrap bodies in garbage bags, store the box in her garage. She left the corpses when she moved away.
[31:32]
Georgia Hardstark
What in the shit?
[31:33]
Karen Kilgariff
The police found seven dead babies, but only six had been murdered. The last one was born stillborn. Her husband is the one who found the corpses.
[31:43]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, he didn't even know 2.
[31:45]
Karen Kilgariff
He had spent 8 years in prison for drugs. And when he got out, he went to the house to clear it out and get ready for the rent, get it ready for rental. And he said the garbage smelled, garage smelled horrible, and he had a friend help him clean out the garage to figure out where the smell was coming from. What I don't get is the fact that he was there in the house with her during the times those babies were born and subsequently. Well, it doesn't sound like he was. If he was in jail, in prison.
[32:11]
Georgia Hardstark
For eight years, whose babies were they?
[32:13]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, yeah, I mean, that might be why she had to kill them, but. Jesus Christ. He claims he had no idea she was pregnant or had babies, and the police decided not to charge him with anything. She pled guilty to six counts of murder and has been sentenced to life in prison. She has three surviving children. Oh, no. Oh, that's the scariest thing I ever read.
[32:32]
Georgia Hardstark
Intense Therapy immediately and claimed she was.
[32:35]
Karen Kilgariff
Too addicted to meth to take care of more.
[32:38]
Georgia Hardstark
Isn't it funny how many, like, fucking together people are trying so hard to have a goddamn baby, and then these fucking people who have meth and kill the babies. Oh, yeah, six in a row.
[32:50]
Karen Kilgariff
Anyway, that's my hometown murder story. Hope you enjoyed it. Thanks, Clarissa. Bye. I'm sorry. I keep saying Clarissa. It's Charissa. Charissa with an H. That was intense. That was crazy.
[33:03]
Georgia Hardstark
Do you know anyone who ever.
[33:04]
Karen Kilgariff
She didn't include two stories. It was just one. That's.
[33:07]
Georgia Hardstark
That's enough for me.
[33:08]
Karen Kilgariff
We love you, Theresa.
[33:12]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates on this case?
[33:15]
Karen Kilgariff
Um, there actually is one. Megan Huntsman's first parole hearing is slated for April of 2064.
[33:22]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, wow.
[33:23]
Karen Kilgariff
Uh huh. Wow.
[33:24]
Georgia Hardstark
So I guess keep an eye here.
[33:26]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Watch this space. Sure.
[33:28]
Georgia Hardstark
We're gonna be so old.
[33:30]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay, so now we're gonna do some back to backs. Georgia's going to tell Leonard's hometown about the killer dentist. And then I tell Kody's hometown.
[33:40]
Georgia Hardstark
All right, this is from Leonard.
[33:42]
Karen Kilgariff
Leonard.
[33:43]
Georgia Hardstark
What's up, Leonard? So my hometown murder story happened in my high school days. I was coming home from a basketball practice later than I normally would have, and as I came to the corner to walk to my block, I see half a dozen cop cars surrounding my best friend's house. Lights are flashing everywhere. And I see my friend in the back of one car, his brother in another car. I'm assuming he needs cop cars. And on the stairs leading up to the house on the opposite corner, a female body not fucking moving. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? So later I come to find out that my friend's dad eventually got, evidently got into an argument with his wife and began all caps, stabbing her over and over. My friend was home and tried to save her and fought off his father, I repeat, fought off his father after stabbing his mother and he took off in his car and escaped. Meanwhile, the mom is still fucking alive and gets out of the house and staggers to the neighbor's house, but collapses before reaching the door and all caps.
[34:44]
Karen Kilgariff
Dies, dies at the neighbor's stairs.
[34:47]
Georgia Hardstark
Jesus. So yeah, first and only time seeing a dead body, not at a funeral. So my friend and his brother eventually get cleared and released and the media picks up on the murder and calls him the killer dentist. And then he says, guess what his job was and he's a fugitive for like three to four days. So dad is fine, gone. Then news breaks that he was found in the next state over, committed suicide in a motel and left a note.
[35:12]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, no.
[35:12]
Georgia Hardstark
Memory is fuzzy. But he and his wife were separating and he had been sleeping on the couch for some time. And what I clearly remember though, was me, my friend and his dad's soon to be murdered murderer eating at fucking Chili's like a week before it went down. And to be a goddamn cliche, I honestly did not see it coming. He was the nicest guy, et cetera, et cetera. Oh, man, he wrote et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, friend and his brother moved to Florida to live with extended family, and it's nearly a decade before they move back home. That story was legit true Feel free to check it out. Late 90s, early 2000s. Leonard, I believe you. I'd love to know what you guys what you think, even if you don't read it on your show, exclamation mark. Well, guess what, Leonard. But if you do, give me a heads up. I'm weird and I'm listening to your old shows from episode one on. Again, thanks for reading and don't get murdered. Wow, thanks, Leonard.
[36:05]
Karen Kilgariff
Leonard sat at Chili's with a fucking.
[36:08]
Georgia Hardstark
We didn't know what he ate. Is that weird? Well, Bloomin Onion. Is that.
[36:11]
Karen Kilgariff
There is Bloomin Onion Outback Steakhouse. Well, because that reminds me. The. The dentist.
[36:19]
Georgia Hardstark
The killer dentist. Guess what his.
[36:21]
Karen Kilgariff
Guess what his profession was.
[36:24]
Georgia Hardstark
One of us.
[36:25]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, this is a good one. Okay. This is from Cody. And the. The title, the subject line is all the way from Australia. Hello, Governor. Sorry, sorry, sorry there, Cody. Hi, ladies. Hey, ladies. I love your podcast. In Australia during the 60s, we had a lot of child murders.
[36:46]
Georgia Hardstark
Australia is legit with murders. I said that to someone recently that was from Australia. I was like, you guys have a lot of great murders. And they were like, what?
[36:53]
Karen Kilgariff
They were like, goodbye.
[36:55]
Georgia Hardstark
Bye.
[36:56]
Karen Kilgariff
On the day Neil Armstrong took a step on the moon. Well, the TV aired. A Man walking on the moon. Could be a sound studio, could be real life. I'm not making any claims.
[37:07]
Georgia Hardstark
This is not that podcast.
[37:08]
Karen Kilgariff
Awesome. Two children, Shane Spiller and Yvonne Tuohy, went on a picnic. A man jumped out, grabbed Tuohy. Spiller was able to fight him off with a hatchet and run away to get help.
[37:22]
Georgia Hardstark
Why did he have a hatchet?
[37:24]
Karen Kilgariff
They were on an ax picnic. I don't know. He was able to describe the car and a naval sticker on the car. It was too late though, as they had found Tuohy's body. Horrifically murdered. The cops then drove to the naval base with Spiller in the car and spiller ID'd the car. The police entered the naval base and found Derek Percy literally red handed, washing his bloody clothes. This guy is linked to multiple child murders and he is considered one of Australia's worst serial killers. Holy shit. Derek Percy. Gotta look him up. D E R E C K. Anywho, Flash forward to 2002 Dateline and thousands of kilometers away, whatever that means. Thousands of kilometers away. Spiller had been living close to my home in very small, close knit community for ages. Then he then suddenly disappeared in 2002 and has not been heard of since.
[38:21]
Georgia Hardstark
And this is the witness that it's.
[38:24]
Karen Kilgariff
The survivor of those two children that's fucked up. Yeah. He probably just got discovered there and was like, see you later.
[38:30]
Georgia Hardstark
Bye.
[38:31]
Karen Kilgariff
Google search Derek Percy. He is linked to so many child murders. Most notably, he had a notebook with the beach that the three Beaumont siblings went missing at Circle.
[38:43]
Georgia Hardstark
I've always wanted to do the Beaumont siblings, but it's so. It goes nowhere.
[38:47]
Karen Kilgariff
It goes nowhere. It's three kids who walk to the beach very close to their house. Something they did all the time. And it was in the seventies. Right.
[38:56]
Georgia Hardstark
But they. They were seen talking to, like, a young surfer guy.
[39:00]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[39:00]
Georgia Hardstark
And then they dis off the face.
[39:02]
Karen Kilgariff
Of the earth and never heard from no trace.
[39:05]
Georgia Hardstark
Three of them. Like a girl and two boys. I. I don't know.
[39:08]
Karen Kilgariff
I think it was.
[39:09]
Georgia Hardstark
There was a girl and there were boys. I don't know.
[39:11]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes. Yes.
[39:11]
Georgia Hardstark
Somewhere around.
[39:13]
Karen Kilgariff
I had the same exact feeling about that case where I. I think that podcast that has a girl and two guys.
[39:20]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, not generation. I always think it's generation Y, but it's.
[39:24]
Karen Kilgariff
Shoot.
[39:24]
Georgia Hardstark
Fuck.
[39:25]
Karen Kilgariff
I think they're out of Portland. They did a really good one.
[39:28]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[39:29]
Karen Kilgariff
On this, I'm pretty sure. Anyway, sorry, guys.
[39:32]
Georgia Hardstark
I feel like we need to look this up to, like, give them a shout out.
[39:35]
Karen Kilgariff
It's like, what in the. What do you know? It's like a question phrase.
[39:39]
Georgia Hardstark
It's totally. And that's why I think it's generation Y all the time. But it's not.
[39:43]
Karen Kilgariff
I'll read the rest of this while you look that up. Also, it came out that his mother is an upstanding citizen who destroyed evidence for him. Oh, that. Mother and son bond. Cute. Parenthesis. Douchebag. Love you guys. P.S. yes, I'm a girl, even though my name sounds like a dude's name.
[40:00]
Georgia Hardstark
Thank you, dude.
[40:01]
Karen Kilgariff
Cody, that was an awesome email.
[40:04]
Georgia Hardstark
Very awesome.
[40:05]
Karen Kilgariff
Very awesome. I love that. Derek. I'm looking up. Derek Percy.
[40:09]
Georgia Hardstark
I'm looking up.
[40:10]
Karen Kilgariff
That's a really good one.
[40:11]
Georgia Hardstark
I'm looking at. I'm here I am looking at things.
[40:13]
Karen Kilgariff
Here I am. Here I am.
[40:16]
Georgia Hardstark
Son of a. What is it? Son of a cunt. That's a new one. Everyone's yelling it at home and. I'm so sorry.
[40:27]
Karen Kilgariff
You know what? We'll find it by the end.
[40:28]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay.
[40:29]
Karen Kilgariff
What if we do that way?
[40:30]
Georgia Hardstark
We'll Instagram it.
[40:31]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes. So you read yours and then I'll. I'll take a look.
[40:33]
Georgia Hardstark
It's your turn, Karen.
[40:34]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. No, no, I just read it.
[40:36]
Georgia Hardstark
I just read. No, I mean, it's your turn to look. You ignore me. You're like, no, I Was just. I'm drinking too much boujol. It's your turn. Okay, we're back. I don't know how we have not covered this murderer yet. Like, we need to do this one.
[40:53]
Karen Kilgariff
I know. There's been a couple of these where I'm like, looking back where I'm like, oh, can't we just pull things out of old episodes where we were, like, talking about it once and then putting it aside?
[41:02]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. There's two in this episode that I'm like, these need Thor Christensen. That's coming up. We need to do that one, too.
[41:07]
Karen Kilgariff
I did it.
[41:08]
Georgia Hardstark
Well, then there you go.
[41:10]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, you know what's funny is I was looking at that, and I was like, that seems familiar. I did it on my favorite weekend when we were in Santa Barbara.
[41:18]
Georgia Hardstark
That makes complete sense.
[41:19]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Cause it was a Solvang murder.
[41:21]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay.
[41:21]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[41:21]
Georgia Hardstark
If it was live, that means I don't remember a moment from that because the adrenaline was just, like, so high.
[41:26]
Karen Kilgariff
But remember how fun that my favorite weekend was? It was the coolest. Like, that was the coolest.
[41:32]
Georgia Hardstark
It felt so chill. Just like we were hanging out with friends.
[41:35]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. All our friends who agreed to come and take buses everywhere.
[41:40]
Georgia Hardstark
I know.
[41:41]
Karen Kilgariff
To get from place to place.
[41:43]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh. The podcast we were trying to think of during that episode is called Thinking Sideways. It ended in 2019, but their catalog is still up. And you can listen to their episode on the Beaumont Children, which. Yeah, like, we have to do that story. It's fascinating.
[41:56]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Okay, here's next up. Georgia's gonna tell Angie's hometown.
[42:02]
Georgia Hardstark
All right.
[42:02]
Karen Kilgariff
It really does.
[42:03]
Georgia Hardstark
I'm gonna do a long one.
[42:04]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay.
[42:06]
Georgia Hardstark
This is from Angie. She says, in my hometown, when I was 16, there was an entire family murdered by the 17 year old son. He went to my high school, rode the bus with me when he went to my neighbor's house. Neighbor is loose. Where I'm from, farm country. He lives about two miles away. And the sister he murdered used to hang out in the quote band hallway every day, which is why I knew her. My mom was a cop for the city of Grand Rapids. Grand Rapids. And on her way home that night, she camped on the murder and called me to see if I knew anyone who lived in the house. It was about four miles away from our home and on a very busy road. The murder wasn't in her jurisdiction, but she was a prominent police officer and knew county officers who were she stopped to help. Naturally, she wouldn't tell me any of the details because she fiercely protected her daughters from the Horrible things she saw that they desperately wanted to know about. Upon reflection, maybe this is why I became obsessed with true crime. Lucky for me, I lived in a small enough town that rumors spread and details leaked out about the murders from other people who knew the cops that worked the case. The story goes like this. John Ceasling, 17 years old, got into a fight with his mother and his sister Caitlin, 14. He claims he blacked out and when he woke up they were all murdered, including his eight year old sister in her bed. And he was covered in blood. He called the police and said that. Oh Jesus, here we go. He said two black guys robbed them and murdered his family, but he was able to get away. And then Angie writes those. Those pesky black guys always committing those mass murders. Yeah, I mean come the fuck on. Then he confessed to the killings once the police arrived, however, apparently he beat his mother and Caitlin with baseball bats and stabbed them with large kitchen knives. He also apparently. Oh fuck. Ready for this? He also apparently raped his 14 year old sister with. Oh no. Said baseball bat.
[44:09]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh.
[44:09]
Georgia Hardstark
Cops who worked the murder apparently vomited when they got there and say that it was the worst crime scene they had ever come upon. Blood everywhere. The worst part, and she says maybe it's all pretty horrible, is that he made his youngest sister go laying her. I don't. And then he did things. He slit her throat. Another pretty awful part is that we heard Caitlyn got away from him and ran out into the street, but he dragged her back in. They found blood streaks across the ground. The most horrible part about this is that the road they lived on was right by the highway and nearly always busy. No one saw this. Somehow he used to have a weird. He used to have weirdo fantasies about coming upon the scene and saving her. No, wait, I'm sorry. I used to have weirdo fantasies about coming upon the scene and saving.
[44:57]
Karen Kilgariff
That's not weirdo. That makes sense.
[44:58]
Georgia Hardstark
No, those are my fantasies and why I'm going to therapy. The murder stayed with me a while. Yeah. School the next day was so eerie and quiet. Everyone knew what happened and everyone had stories about John and Caitlin. John was weird. That much I knew. And in the weeks after the murder when we all talked about it, I couldn't remember if I actually ever talked to John or not in my memory now he used to say weird shit to me on the bus. But honestly, lots of dudes in my small Podak town were weirdos. We still all talk about the murder and I will still hear new rumors about what he Did. And why? He always claimed he was abused by both his mother and father and his mother and sister just made him angry. Some people thought it was because he was a Satanist when he admitted to being Wiccan. And other people talked about hearing him say he wanted to kill his family, but no one took him seriously. Just awful. I recently heard 12 years later, about the cops vomiting everywhere. The last line in that article is upsetting. He had some advice for people. Don't abuse your children or they might kill you.
[45:59]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, I mean, he's right.
[46:01]
Georgia Hardstark
But did they. But did they abuse him?
[46:04]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, yeah, I feel like if they.
[46:05]
Georgia Hardstark
Had abused him, he wouldn't have. He would have just killed them.
[46:10]
Karen Kilgariff
You mean instead of like raping the sister?
[46:12]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, I feel like the raping the sister and slitting the throat of an eight year old is. You're. Something's wrong with you for sure.
[46:20]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Because they didn't abuse him.
[46:22]
Georgia Hardstark
No. And it has nothing to do with.
[46:24]
Karen Kilgariff
It's not revenge.
[46:25]
Georgia Hardstark
It's not revenge.
[46:26]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, it's. It's.
[46:27]
Georgia Hardstark
You just.
[46:28]
Karen Kilgariff
Or at least it's not revenge in the story you're telling. It's. It doesn't line up.
[46:31]
Georgia Hardstark
It doesn't.
[46:33]
Karen Kilgariff
That's intense.
[46:34]
Georgia Hardstark
Did you find it?
[46:35]
Karen Kilgariff
I did. It's thinking sideways. It's Steve, Devin and Joe's podcast, Thinking Sideways. It's a really good. If you like. Here's the thing.
[46:43]
Georgia Hardstark
Thing.
[46:44]
Karen Kilgariff
If you like facts, if you like really well researched stories and deeply researched stories, this is your podcast. Thinking Sideways.
[46:53]
Georgia Hardstark
But also opinions. Yes, they all have opinions, which is fun.
[46:57]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, it's a really good discussion because it seems like they do it the way we do it, where, like the. I listened to a couple, and it's like people, they ask each other questions as they talk through the case.
[47:08]
Georgia Hardstark
The one guy who sounds like a radio host from the 40s.
[47:11]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[47:12]
Georgia Hardstark
Is amazing.
[47:13]
Karen Kilgariff
I don't know who's who.
[47:14]
Georgia Hardstark
I don't either.
[47:15]
Karen Kilgariff
It's a really good podcast, though.
[47:16]
Georgia Hardstark
I'm Georgia and that's Karen, in case you don't know who's whom.
[47:22]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay.
[47:23]
Georgia Hardstark
You want to go? Why don't we both do one more?
[47:25]
Karen Kilgariff
Sure.
[47:25]
Georgia Hardstark
We're at 50 minutes.
[47:26]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll each do one more.
[47:28]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay.
[47:32]
Karen Kilgariff
All right, we're out of that. Do you have a case update on this one?
[47:35]
Georgia Hardstark
I definitely do. So, in 2022, the state supreme court ruled that sentencing minors to life without parole viol the state constitution. And since John was 17 when he was convicted, he became eligible for resentencing. So in 2023, he was resentenced to spend 40 to 60 years behind bars, which means the earliest he'll be eligible for release is 2043. Okay, so here are the final stories from this episode, starting with Karen sharing Molly's hometown, as well as my story telling Kyleen's hometown.
[48:09]
Karen Kilgariff
All right, ready?
[48:09]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[48:10]
Karen Kilgariff
Molly, subject line, Axe murders. Yay. Okay, so I literally started listening this morning. The show is amazing. I love true crime. I think you guys are really funny. I wanted to share my hometown murder with you too. So, in 1988, in Rochester, Minnesota. That's MN, right?
[48:28]
Georgia Hardstark
Oh, you know, I didn't say that. I didn't say the initials of the. The last. Grand Rapids, Michigan.
[48:36]
Karen Kilgariff
Michigan.
[48:37]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. Because I wasn't sure.
[48:38]
Karen Kilgariff
Because you were afraid.
[48:38]
Georgia Hardstark
That's where my husband's from. Anyway.
[48:42]
Karen Kilgariff
It'S the fear that's keeping us from it's fear.
[48:45]
Georgia Hardstark
It's all it is.
[48:45]
Karen Kilgariff
I'm pretty sure. MN is Minnesota. Yeah. In Rochester, Minnesota, this 16 year old named David Brum killed his mom, dad, little sister, and little brother. He got in a fight with his dad over the music he listened to. David was a goth kid going to Catholic school.
[49:04]
Georgia Hardstark
What was he listening? It was like something stupid. We were like. They were not even that close.
[49:06]
Karen Kilgariff
What was it? 808 State. His dad told him not to listen to whatever music he was listening to. And David got pissed. When most of his family was sleeping. His older brother Joe wasn't home that night. He took an ax from the basement and attacked his family. If I remember correctly, he killed his dad first. His mom woke up. At one point, his mom had defensive wounds on her arms from the ax. David went to school the next day, bragging to his friends about what he did when no one could find him. Later on, his friends went to school administration. They in turn called the cops who went into the home, found the dead bodies. They didn't find David until the evening. Two miles from the school, in a phone booth at the post office, less than a mile from the house I grew up in.
[49:52]
Georgia Hardstark
Was he just hanging out?
[49:55]
Karen Kilgariff
It doesn't say.
[49:56]
Georgia Hardstark
I bet he was dead.
[49:57]
Karen Kilgariff
I wasn't alive during this time, but my dad called my mom at least a couple times to make sure she was okay. During the man out, he was just.
[50:05]
Georgia Hardstark
In the phone booth. I thought he killed himself in the phone.
[50:07]
Karen Kilgariff
No, no. He was just. He was trying to make calls or something. They basically found him there. Okay, so it was a manhunt. And the last thing there was. It was terrifying. David is still in prison and is eligible for parole in 2041. His brother Joe has passed away in the past couple years, so he doesn't have any family left. I honestly don't think he'll be released from prison, but stranger things have happened. Sorry this was so long. Wanted to share. Love the show. Molly.
[50:33]
Georgia Hardstark
That wasn't on my. Molly.
[50:34]
Karen Kilgariff
It was not long. What is it with these. That's. There's a couple of these kind of stories of, like, teenage boys trying to deal with all their chemicals. Chemicals outside and in.
[50:46]
Georgia Hardstark
Hormones. Anger. Especially back in the. I feel like there was such a switch from the baby. Baby boomers to, like, the Gen Xers and that. There was.
[50:56]
Karen Kilgariff
Like.
[50:57]
Georgia Hardstark
There wasn't. Not. They didn't understand each other.
[51:00]
Karen Kilgariff
No. Not at all.
[51:01]
Georgia Hardstark
And they didn't tolerate each other.
[51:02]
Karen Kilgariff
And I will say, as a person growing up in the 80s, boys, at least at my school, got the shit beaten out of them every single day.
[51:09]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[51:10]
Karen Kilgariff
There were some bullies at my school that were downright terrifying.
[51:13]
Georgia Hardstark
And it would. And, like, hitting your spankings and belt whippings were like. You being a good parent. Yeah, I got fucking spanked with wooden spoons.
[51:23]
Karen Kilgariff
Did you really?
[51:24]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. It sucked. And now I look at my nephews and I'm like. Thought of fucking beating them up with an ob. Like, hitting them.
[51:33]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[51:34]
Georgia Hardstark
Violence against children to teach them not to do something.
[51:37]
Karen Kilgariff
But were your parents spanked? Because a lot of times that's what normalizes it.
[51:42]
Georgia Hardstark
My dad was definitely abused by his father, left the home after he. By punching his father in the face and then walked out at 16 and never came back.
[51:53]
Karen Kilgariff
Wow.
[51:53]
Georgia Hardstark
But my mom. I don't know. My mom was.
[51:56]
Karen Kilgariff
Wow.
[51:56]
Georgia Hardstark
But she was the one who spanked us. It's all coming out on my favorite. My mom and I are friends.
[52:05]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[52:06]
Georgia Hardstark
Good.
[52:06]
Karen Kilgariff
It happened to so many people, I think, because my mom had a super rotten childhood herself. She was. She was like, there's. There was never any hitting.
[52:16]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[52:16]
Karen Kilgariff
And there was always like a, you know, discourse. But, you know.
[52:21]
Georgia Hardstark
All right, let's do. Wait. Okay. Okay. This one's good.
[52:26]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay.
[52:26]
Georgia Hardstark
Kyleen writes, this story makes the hair on my arm stand up. Rarely are we confronted with the realization that we so easily could never have been born. Oh. When she was 20 years old, my mother went on a date with a serial killer. His name was Thor Nil Christiansen, and he murdered several women in Solvang and Isla vista, California, between 1976 and 79. What again? Fucking Central California, Northern California. Get the fuck out.
[52:58]
Karen Kilgariff
Solvang is up like wine country. Right.
[53:01]
Georgia Hardstark
It's like two hours from Los Angeles. Yeah, like right outside of Santa Barbara. It's. It's. It's a Dutch Disneyland, basically.
[53:09]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. It looks like it's for tourists. It's for tourists.
[53:13]
Georgia Hardstark
There's an alpaca farm. And Isla Vista is like the shitty part of Santa Barbara where all the kids go to college.
[53:19]
Karen Kilgariff
Oh, okay.
[53:20]
Georgia Hardstark
Right. All right. So the way she tells the story, and to be honest, she's only told me twice. So once as a warning as a teenager, and then just a few months ago after plowing her with several glasses of Pinot Grigio. So some details are hazy, is that she was a sorority girl at UCSB Santa Barbara, living in a studio apartment. One night at a bar, a, quote, surfer looking guy with blonde hair hit on her. And she agreed to leave with him. Nope. Her bartender friend pleaded with her not to leave, but she didn't listen. This the surfer? Hold on. The surfer at the bar drove a, quote, super creepy van and they climbed in. Oh, the 70s. After driving around and making out, he suddenly turned down a way she didn't recognize. Eventually, he pulled into a cemetery. Oh, it was there. He parked, went back, went to the back of the van and pulled out a suitcase full of women's clothes. Clothing. He told my mom to put on the clothes and get out of the van. My mother put on the clothes and developed a plan. In a stunning stroke of genius, she said, oh, this is hot. This is so turning me on and shaking. She led him back to her apartment where she lived alone. Admittedly, this was the flaw in my mother's plan, but thank God she got out of the fucking cemetery.
[54:39]
Karen Kilgariff
She says, 100%.
[54:41]
Georgia Hardstark
Once back to her studio, she had led him to her bed and started kissing him. Still wearing the creepy clothes? No idea. She picked up a lamp, smashed it over his head and screamed, get the fuck out of my house. And he ran away. Her neighbors all came out of their apartments to see if she was okay, and she said she was. Then she stayed with her sorority sister for a few nights. I don't even know if my dad knows the story, let alone the police. My mother said she never went to anyone and then moved back home to San Diego, so missed when he was captured. She didn't know his name or that he was a serial killer. So in May, when I plowed her with wine to get her to spill the details.
[55:17]
Karen Kilgariff
She means plied her with wine.
[55:19]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay, but please don't. It's not me.
[55:21]
Karen Kilgariff
Okay, okay.
[55:22]
Georgia Hardstark
I'm just Saying cloud. You're right.
[55:25]
Karen Kilgariff
You get plowed on wine. You ply people with wine.
[55:28]
Georgia Hardstark
I think Kylie and I are, like, similar people, because I swear to God, it says plowed. I believed it the whole time, and I'm. I'm fine with it. Plied her with wine to get her to spill the details because I'm a terrible dog daughter. I researched it. I'm so embarrassed now.
[55:42]
Karen Kilgariff
Karen, I'm sorry.
[55:43]
Georgia Hardstark
No, it's plied.
[55:44]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, you're just reading it.
[55:45]
Georgia Hardstark
Okay. All right. Originally, I just.
[55:48]
Karen Kilgariff
Cloud makes it sound like she. Her own mom. Sorry. But that's.
[55:52]
Georgia Hardstark
No, I get it.
[55:52]
Karen Kilgariff
You're right.
[55:52]
Georgia Hardstark
You're right. Okay. Originally, I thought this quote surfer dude was the original Night stalker, but the dates and story don't add up. Love this girl. That she's, like, researching.
[56:01]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes. She's like, which serial killer could it be?
[56:04]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah. When I stumbled across Christensen, I showed her his picture, and she wrote, which was a mistake, and she confirmed. I'm not sure what kind of information you need to confirm the story, but I'm happy to help in any way I can. Like, we're questioning this girl's story. Oh, I know. I saw the photo.
[56:19]
Karen Kilgariff
Did you?
[56:19]
Georgia Hardstark
Karen's showing me this photo. He looks like. He looks like he'd be a wrestle. Like a wrestler from the 70s. That's exactly like he was called the original Night Stalker wrestler. Like, so he looks.
[56:31]
Karen Kilgariff
But he also has that look on his face, like, I'm chill. Everything's chill.
[56:35]
Georgia Hardstark
Like he's German or something. Yeah, he definitely looks like Macho Man, Randy Savage.
[56:42]
Karen Kilgariff
Is she done?
[56:43]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, that's it.
[56:43]
Karen Kilgariff
Because here's the good news to the end of that story. He was stabbed to death in Folsom Prison, if anyone's worried. The man who killed four women. Wow. That's so intense.
[56:56]
Georgia Hardstark
I want to investigate the story more and know if, like, putting him in women's clothes was a thing or, like, were those the clothing of the women who he had killed before her? This bitch almost got killed.
[57:06]
Karen Kilgariff
That is. Yeah, she was in it. She. That's so crazy.
[57:10]
Georgia Hardstark
I know, right?
[57:14]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[57:15]
Georgia Hardstark
Fuck, man.
[57:16]
Karen Kilgariff
I'm trying. I'm trying to scan really quickly, but, yeah, I don't see. I don't see anything about clothes.
[57:20]
Georgia Hardstark
Whoa.
[57:20]
Karen Kilgariff
That one's good.
[57:21]
Georgia Hardstark
I'm sweating profusely. I smell kind of bad. Pretty sure.
[57:24]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah, I'm definitely sweating. I love those. I like those fast ones.
[57:29]
Georgia Hardstark
I do, too.
[57:30]
Karen Kilgariff
I mean, it's. It's very satisfying to just go. Not have to dive and pretend to Be an expert on a topic.
[57:35]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, I like that. Here's what. Here's what happened.
[57:38]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
[57:39]
Georgia Hardstark
According to me, who experienced it.
[57:41]
Karen Kilgariff
Right. Exactly.
[57:42]
Georgia Hardstark
Those are fun.
[57:43]
Karen Kilgariff
There was a couple, and we're still going to keep doing these, so.
[57:46]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[57:47]
Karen Kilgariff
If we didn't get to yours, hopefully we'll soon. But we. There's hundreds. I mean, there's so many.
[57:52]
Georgia Hardstark
So many.
[57:53]
Karen Kilgariff
But there's a couple who are like, my mom went on a date with. With Ted Bundy.
[57:57]
Georgia Hardstark
There's a ted Bundy date. 1. Like, you're not even making that up. There's a Ted Bundy date.
[58:02]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes. There's. There's more than one Ted Bundy date.
[58:04]
Georgia Hardstark
Yes.
[58:05]
Karen Kilgariff
Like, there's people who are like, I knew Ted Bundy or like, he was a friend of the family.
[58:08]
Georgia Hardstark
It's just crazy. How many. Like, my next door neighbor killed his wife. Like, there's so many of those.
[58:13]
Karen Kilgariff
Yes.
[58:14]
Georgia Hardstark
Little ones that you've never heard of and never will.
[58:16]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[58:16]
Georgia Hardstark
But people knew them and were like, no, they were nice guys. They're always normal nice guys.
[58:21]
Karen Kilgariff
Right.
[58:21]
Georgia Hardstark
And then they just snap.
[58:22]
Karen Kilgariff
They snap.
[58:23]
Georgia Hardstark
And there's a lot of. There's a lot of the son of the family ones.
[58:29]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, you know, that's the Amityville horror story.
[58:31]
Georgia Hardstark
Right.
[58:32]
Karen Kilgariff
That's the. That's the real story behind that.
[58:34]
Georgia Hardstark
Totally.
[58:35]
Karen Kilgariff
Or at least that's the original story.
[58:37]
Georgia Hardstark
Right.
[58:38]
Karen Kilgariff
I mean, it's hard to be the eldest son and whatever that. Whatever comes with that.
[58:43]
Georgia Hardstark
I think it's hard to be the eldest son when the dad is a dick.
[58:46]
Karen Kilgariff
For sure.
[58:46]
Georgia Hardstark
I feel like a lot of that. The dad has so many expectations, especially back then where it's. That's like, you know, it's so important to be popular.
[58:55]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[58:55]
Georgia Hardstark
And big time.
[58:56]
Karen Kilgariff
Yep. You have to be like the quarterback or whatever.
[58:59]
Georgia Hardstark
And the dad is trying to. Trying to. What's the word?
[59:04]
Karen Kilgariff
Live vicariously through the sun. Yeah.
[59:07]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[59:07]
Karen Kilgariff
If you have that combined with like, say, a weak mom or a mom that lets the dad do whatever he wants.
[59:12]
Georgia Hardstark
Right.
[59:12]
Karen Kilgariff
And doesn't have, you know, any. Any kind of handle on anything.
[59:15]
Georgia Hardstark
And maybe the moment the kid loves the mom so much and he's pissed at her for never having stood up for him, but he can't be pissed.
[59:23]
Karen Kilgariff
Her because she is as abused as he is. Right. I mean, and the sister's just like.
[59:28]
Georgia Hardstark
Kind of a popular cunt. What are we writing right now?
[59:32]
Karen Kilgariff
It's the. We're basically talking through the Amityville. We're literally talking origin story.
[59:37]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[59:38]
Karen Kilgariff
But I mean, we're talking through a thing that we've all seen on 20, 21 million times. Totally. It's a. It's a typical American setup, you guys.
[59:46]
Georgia Hardstark
If you're a guy guy, please don't kill your family.
[59:49]
Karen Kilgariff
Listen. You don't listen. I can't solve your problem for you. It's just a podcast.
[59:54]
Georgia Hardstark
But listen to your mothers. Listen in Georgia.
[59:57]
Karen Kilgariff
I play the guitar. Girls love shit like that.
[60:01]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, be arty.
[60:02]
Karen Kilgariff
Be arty. Grow your hair long and just be like, sorry, I'm Arty. Too bad. And then jump on the next train.
[60:08]
Georgia Hardstark
I know a woman named Artie. So I was like, what are you talking about?
[60:10]
Karen Kilgariff
Be like her. She's great.
[60:12]
Georgia Hardstark
She's a darling person. Read a book, man. Don't read Catcher in the Rye. Just stop yourself right there.
[60:18]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Is that it for us?
[60:22]
Georgia Hardstark
Elvis? Elvis, will. Elvis Will. Let us know when that's it.
[60:25]
Karen Kilgariff
What do you think, Elvis? Are we done?
[60:28]
Georgia Hardstark
Elvis?
[60:31]
Karen Kilgariff
God. One day we're going to talk to him and he's going to be like, ladies, let's wrap it up.
[60:36]
Georgia Hardstark
The gods have spoken.
[60:38]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah.
[60:39]
Georgia Hardstark
Thank you for listening. Go to my favorite murder on Instagram. There's a Twitter.
[60:47]
Karen Kilgariff
There's all kind of course, the Facebook page. There's all kinds of ways that you can participate. Thank you for listening. Yeah. Tell a friend and tell a sister.
[60:54]
Georgia Hardstark
Elvis, do you want a cookie? You want a cookie? Yeah.
[60:59]
Karen Kilgariff
Stay sexy.
[60:59]
Georgia Hardstark
Don't get murdered. Bye. Bye. All right.
[61:09]
Karen Kilgariff
Well, I mean, there was our brilliant. I feel very proud for some reason of us thinking of doing this episode of like, all the things that we didn't know and all the things that we innocent of and just kind of hanging out. I feel like this was great producing on our part.
[61:23]
Georgia Hardstark
Definitely. And really what it came down to probably was neither of us had our homework done and we were scrambling and sweating. And I'm really good at excuses. And we're like, good at figuring out, like, how to get around things.
[61:35]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. A workaround.
[61:36]
Georgia Hardstark
A workaround.
[61:37]
Karen Kilgariff
A fix. A kind of like, it's the same. It's the reason that Guy Branham came on and answered legal questions. That's right.
[61:43]
Georgia Hardstark
I forgot.
[61:44]
Karen Kilgariff
Cause it was like. I was like, it is nighttime. There's no way I'm finishing this document and I don't know what to do.
[61:50]
Georgia Hardstark
I feel like when you're the little sister of the family, you figure out, you get like, squirrely and you are in a maze your entire life, and you figure out the right turns. And if they're not the right turns, you fucking scratch through the wall and make them the right turns.
[62:05]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. Because if you don't, you'll get left.
[62:07]
Georgia Hardstark
Behind and made fun of.
[62:09]
Karen Kilgariff
And you can hear everybody on the rest of the maze having the best fucking time without you making fun of you. So you better get over there, gal.
[62:16]
Georgia Hardstark
Get your ass over there. And that's what my favorite murder is. It's a fucking scratching through the wall of the ma to get to the finish line to get to the party.
[62:24]
Karen Kilgariff
That actually isn't there. And you just imagined it. But, hey, you got out of the maze.
[62:29]
Georgia Hardstark
You sure did.
[62:29]
Karen Kilgariff
Good job.
[62:30]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah.
[62:31]
Karen Kilgariff
All right, so let's see. We're gonna rename this. If we had to rename this episode from basically just an episode that says what it is, which I. You know, why rename it? But if we had to, the suggestion was when I say listen and just.
[62:49]
Georgia Hardstark
Yep, that's it. Listen and love or listen and judge.
[62:52]
Karen Kilgariff
That's pretty good.
[62:53]
Georgia Hardstark
That sounds like us.
[62:54]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. I mean, that's.
[62:55]
Georgia Hardstark
Yeah, that's what you guys do.
[62:57]
Karen Kilgariff
All right, well, that's all we can squeeze out of that old rock. Thank you so much. You guys have been bringing the goods for us and making minisodes and hometown episodes possible for nine years. We really appreciate it.
[63:12]
Georgia Hardstark
We really do. Thank you for listening to this episode of Rewind. We'll keep doing them if you keep listening.
[63:17]
Karen Kilgariff
Yeah. And stay sexy.
[63:18]
Georgia Hardstark
And don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie? Will, talk to me.
[63:28]
Karen Kilgariff
Abc Tuesday. They took his daughter. She's coming home alive.
[63:33]
Georgia Hardstark
Will Trent, the series critics are calling powerful Must see TV continues to thrill.
[63:38]
Karen Kilgariff
Shouldn't we strategize before we go in there?
[63:40]
Georgia Hardstark
If we screw up this case, a.
[63:41]
Karen Kilgariff
Cop killer walk free with the riveting.
[63:44]
Georgia Hardstark
Conclusion to a two part season premiere will tread all new Tuesday on ABC and stream on Hulu.