Black People Don't Need Sunblock (with Zainab Johnson)

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Black People Don't Need Sunblock (with Zainab Johnson)"

Episode Information

• Title: Black People Don't Need Sunblock
• Host: Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts
• Hosts: Langston Kerman and David Borey
• Guest: Zainab Johnson
• Release Date: February 11, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of My Mama Told Me, comedians Langston Kerman and David Borey delve into the controversial statement, "Black People Don't Need Sunblock," featuring guest comedian and actress Zainab Johnson. The trio navigates through scientific misconceptions, representation in media studies, and the broader implications of such conspiracy theories on the Black community.

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Discussion on The Black Bachelor

Before diving into the main topic, the hosts engage in a spirited conversation about The Bachelor, particularly focusing on the portrayal of Black contestants. They express frustration over perceived stereotypes and the lack of authentic representation.

• Langston Kerman [05:01]: "We certainly weren't the [Black contestants]"

• Zainab Johnson [07:25]: "She was like, if he would have just... Nah."

The hosts criticize the show for creating unrealistic and homogenized portrayals of Black individuals, suggesting that it undermines Black identity by pushing contestants into AI-generated stereotypes.

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Main Topic: Do Black People Need Sunblock?

The core of the episode revolves around the debate on whether Black individuals require sunblock, challenging common misconceptions and exploring scientific studies' limitations.

1. AI and Public Perception

• Langston Kerman [35:37]: "The AI response is absolutely, we do. Every single black person, they say you."

The hosts highlight how AI-generated responses, like those from Google, assert that Black people should wear sunscreen, relying on studies that may lack adequate representation of darker skin tones.

2. Flaws in Scientific Studies

• Langston Kerman [36:52]: "The New York Times article basically explains that most of the studies around the danger of skin cancer do not actually use black participants or prioritize black participants."

• Zainab Johnson [37:25]: "That doesn't surprise me. That the research would not include because it never does."

They discuss a New York Times article revealing that many studies on sun exposure and skin cancer predominantly feature lighter-skinned individuals. This exclusion skews AI responses and public health recommendations, potentially leading to misinformation within the Black community.

3. Sunscreen vs. Sunblock: Understanding the Difference

The hosts dissect the often-confused terms "sunscreen" and "sunblock," clarifying their distinct functions and implications.

• David Borey [19:01]: "Sunblock actually blocks the UV rays. But sunscreen allows the UV rays to penetrate, but then they get dispersed as some healthy sort of light in your body."

• Langston Kerman [28:53]: "Chemical sunscreens do rub in, but even those still kind of leave a little bit of a film."

They emphasize that while sunscreen allows some UV penetration, sunblock provides a physical barrier against the sun, which is crucial for skin protection regardless of melanin levels.

4. Ingredients and Health Implications

• Langston Kerman [46:36]: "There is evidence that certain sunscreens are actually more harmful to users regardless of race... benzophenone and oxybenzone."

Langston and David explore concerns regarding specific chemicals in sunscreens, such as benzophenone and oxybenzone, which the FDA has flagged for potential toxicity with prolonged use. They debate the balance between sun protection and chemical exposure, especially in products marketed to Black consumers.

5. Societal and Cultural Impacts

The conversation extends to how societal standards and product marketing affect Black individuals' skincare practices.

• Zainab Johnson [25:26]: "They're not worried about me looking crazy out here because they don't give a fuck."

They critique the beauty industry's neglect in formulating sun protection products that cater effectively to darker skin tones without leaving a white residue, which can deter usage despite the health benefits.

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Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the complexities surrounding skincare for Black individuals, emphasizing the need for more inclusive research and better-formulated products. They encourage listeners to critically assess the information presented by AI and advocate for representation in scientific studies to dispel harmful misconceptions.

• Langston Kerman [55:57]: "We're going to take a break and then we're going to come back with more znab. More My Mama."

The episode concludes with lighthearted banter and promotional segments, maintaining the show's signature humorous tone while underscoring the importance of informed health practices.

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Notable Quotes

• Langston Kerman [35:37]: "The AI response is absolutely, we do. Every single black person, they say you."

• Zainab Johnson [37:25]: "That doesn't surprise me. That the research would not include because it never does."

• David Borey [19:01]: "Sunblock actually blocks the UV rays. But sunscreen allows the UV rays to penetrate, but then they get dispersed as some healthy sort of light in your body."

• Langston Kerman [46:36]: "There is evidence that certain sunscreens are actually more harmful to users regardless of race... benzophenone and oxybenzone."

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Final Thoughts

Black People Don't Need Sunblock (with Zainab Johnson) challenges listeners to reconsider prevalent beliefs about sun protection within the Black community. Through a blend of humor and critical analysis, Langston Kerman, David Borey, and Zainab Johnson shed light on the intersection of race, science, and media representation, advocating for more inclusive and accurate information dissemination.

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Connect with the Hosts and Guest

• Langston Kerman: Follow on social media and attend live shows scheduled through 2025.
• David Borey: Watch his comedy special Hijab on Prime and follow his tours.
• Zainab Johnson: Visit ZainabJohnson.com and follow on social media platforms (excluding TikTok).

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Disclaimer

The views expressed in this podcast episode are for entertainment and informational purposes only. Consult medical professionals for personal health advice.

Transcript

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Also I feel like if you musty in school but you like your breath smell good and you got like a nice smile, people would be like remember, remember remember Langston. Like he was mad musty but remember he had that cute ass. If he just. If he would have just got the right deodorant, I'd have been making out with but it don't work the opposite way.

[Langston Kerman]

If he would have just is not.

[Zainab Johnson]

Pussy Brother put it on my tombstone.

[Langston Kerman]

Listen, you had me, and then you tried to take it too far. If he would have just. Don't get you no pussy. I've had my share of pussy in my day, and it never happened because she was like, if he would have just. Nah.

[David Borey]

If he would've just.

[Zainab Johnson]

If he would have just. You wouldn't have had that conversation.

[Langston Kerman]

You never would have came up.

[Zainab Johnson]

It would have been like, I fucked Langston.

[Langston Kerman]

The government, growing babies, microchips in your anus. All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money. Marshall's invented turkey stuffing.

[Zainab Johnson]

Y'all can't tell me nothing.

[Langston Kerman]

She's a ghetto type broad, and her life is hard. Catching me with the dope and she'll take the charge. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Gentiles and little mamas alike, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where.

[Zainab Johnson]

We dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories, and we work hard.

[Langston Kerman]

To prove whatever the fuck you want to be proven.

[Zainab Johnson]

Come on. It's for you.

[Langston Kerman]

We'll make it up.

[Zainab Johnson]

I don't want to do this.

[Langston Kerman]

Give a shit. Here's something I've been struggling with. I think this. This new bachelor is a hate crime.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Zainab Johnson]

Oh, shit.

[Langston Kerman]

I think this new black bachelor specifically feels like a hate crime against our community.

[David Borey]

Why?

[Zainab Johnson]

I don't know anything about this, but I did tell you about my man who was on the last Bachelor and got kicked off.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh.

[Zainab Johnson]

As a black person.

[Langston Kerman]

And. And he had a hard time.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah. He said they were coming at him on TikTok and stuff.

[Langston Kerman]

Holy shit.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. He got kicked off, like, the day before it started.

[Langston Kerman]

The producers came in and were like, nah, they don't.

[Zainab Johnson]

You know, you gotta go back.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta go, big dog.

[Zainab Johnson]

Fuck. I don't know about this new. Tell me about this new guy.

[David Borey]

Yeah. And also, full disclosure, I have never watched an episode of Bachelor.

[Langston Kerman]

I have not either. I had accepted that they were a white show that dealt with white things, that eventually white black people participated, but we certainly weren't the.

[Zainab Johnson]

But, like, black people are gonna win it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, well, apparently we have.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

Won the whole.

[David Borey]

I mean, enough for them to start doing first black Female Bachelorettes and black.

[Langston Kerman]

And, you know, this is the second black bachelor.

[David Borey]

Oh, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They had one before this. Who.

[David Borey]

And he chose the white racist lady. Right.

[Langston Kerman]

That everybody preferred a racist lady. Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah. And this is just by way of TikTok.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

God damn.

[Langston Kerman]

No. So. So. So the. This new black bachelor specifically feels like an AI Generated, nigga. Like, truly, like, it is so swaggy that it's to the point that it is swag less. You what? I mean, it is as if Skeeter Valentine became a person and started to, like, go date women. And that, to me, feels like an intentional undermining of what the black identity is meant to be. That, like, we had built some sense of, like, our strength in the world is our cool, is our sort of, like, offering of culture to everyone else. And now they're being like, you are nothing. You are a shell.

[Zainab Johnson]

I gotta see a picture.

[David Borey]

I feel like I was gonna say, give us some examples so that we can.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm gonna show you this.

[David Borey]

Like, what was the commercial? Yeah, give it to me. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I thought we were all more bought in on who the black bachelor is.

[Zainab Johnson]

No, I didn't even know it was the black bachelor. Come on, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on. Yo, music is a very integral part to be able to express myself. Yo, look how they see us. So I'm ready to get married.

[Zainab Johnson]

I'm ready to find my wife.

[David Borey]

I'm ready to have kids.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm ready for everything.

[Zainab Johnson]

The bad part?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's making out of park got bad part.

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[Langston Kerman]

I'm just gonna take this shit.

[David Borey]

So your. So your issue is. Your issue is that he's just too corny. Like, he's so. Like, they made him so acceptable that they kind of removed. They made him kind of like a.

[Langston Kerman]

Shell of a person that's not a black man anymore.

[Zainab Johnson]

I mean, who are they gonna. They're gonna put Cameron on the Bachelor? Like, who is it gonna.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes, David, I would like that.

[Zainab Johnson]

I would watch it with Cam. I would watch you with camouflage.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm not going to limit our potential. Y. I would like cam'ron to be on the Bachelor.

[Zainab Johnson]

But they're not gonna. It's abc.

[Langston Kerman]

They're cowards if they won't show what we really are. I think cam'ron is less harmful than this person is. Cam'ron is gonna. Is giving us the raw. Unreal, baby. It is what it is. You know what I mean? It's just. It's perfect.

[David Borey]

I imagine that that's probably a very, very hard for him. Cause I'm gonna be very honest, as a woman, I could see. I could just see, like, the innate fuckboy in him.

[Langston Kerman]

Sure.

[David Borey]

And so for him to have to contain everything that you're saying they erased, for him to have to contain that for however long it takes for them to shoot. Must have been a really, really difficult task.

[Langston Kerman]

That's.

[Zainab Johnson]

I don't know if it was contained, though. I feel like he had to let it out at some point.

[David Borey]

Right. But maybe not on camera.

[Zainab Johnson]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I'm saying. They're breaking him in front of us. That he's literally being a beep, boop, beep, boop robot because he can't be what he actually is because they won't accept that, which fundamentally is a part of this show anyway. Fuckboys have existed for 20 years on the Bachelor, but we don't get to be that. We gotta turn into a fucking robot. That's my issue. It's not that, you know, he can't be corny. He can be corny, but come on, man, be a human being.

[David Borey]

Yeah, well, you know.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know.

[Zainab Johnson]

No, this got you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I'm upset.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, I can feel it.

[Langston Kerman]

Clearly it hasn't moved the needle for y'all yet. I mean, I hate him, but we'll get there.

[David Borey]

You want it also, too. It's like I've, like. I don't know. I experience guys like that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, right.

[David Borey]

And so they do exist, you know? Like, they do exist. And so they just found, you know, like, what would you have give us? Who you want us, who you want him to be?

[Zainab Johnson]

That's my question.

[Langston Kerman]

Because Delroy Lindo.

[Zainab Johnson]

Put Delroy Lindo on the Golden Bachelor.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Let us see a man be a man the way a man's supposed to be. He can wear swishy pants, but you don't talk bad to Delroy Lindo. You show him respect. If he pulls out a jazz flute, you expect him to know how to play it. He ain't just ripping and rapping.

[David Borey]

Well, I wonder, what does this Bachelor do?

[Zainab Johnson]

I think he raps.

[Langston Kerman]

He's rapping.

[David Borey]

Oh, he raps.

[Langston Kerman]

They had gave him a whole stage. It felt like that's his. Like.

[David Borey]

Like that's his. Like he's an entertainer.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Oh, no.

[Langston Kerman]

He was singing, playing piano.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Like a boutique. That boutique didn't even seem like it. Get business like that.

[Zainab Johnson]

No, no, no.

[David Borey]

That's what I noticed. That boutique. That was a really subpar boutique.

[Zainab Johnson]

That's why they got time for him to play the piano in there.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Now he can come in.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that seem. They set that up that day.

[Langston Kerman]

Y'all trying to do this today.

[David Borey]

Have y'all watched that? I just. Because I was trying to, like, develop a show about a TV show and my Managers had me watch. I forget what it's called, but they made a scripted show a couple of years ago about. Basically about the Bachelor.

[Zainab Johnson]

I did. I seen that shit during Pandemic.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I forget what. Unscripted.

[Zainab Johnson]

Un. Something.

[David Borey]

Yeah, something. An old girl, like, she went crazy. Unreal. Unreal.

[Zainab Johnson]

She went crazy and then she came back.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

They look like, like, monsters. It's really hard to watch because it really focuses on the producing of that show. And this is. And so they really lean into how awful the producers have to be to make the television that they make. And they had, like, a white bachelor at first, and it was like, they brought in this girl and she was like. It was like a perfect moment, but she was a black woman. And then they cut and was like, america's not gonna. It was all about appealing to America's demographics. And, like, what the people who. Like. You see how we're sitting here ready to tear this apart, but we're actually not even the consumers, Right?

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[David Borey]

We're not.

[Zainab Johnson]

We didn't even know it was happening.

[David Borey]

Yeah. And I remember, like, venting to somebody about, like, I saw, like, a Coke commercial, right? And I was like, I don't care who you put in a Coca Cola commercial. I'm never gonna drink Coca Cola. So why even waste the money on a Coca Cola commercial? And if somebody in advertising was like, we're not even talking to you.

[Langston Kerman]

You were not even a part of the.

[David Borey]

Yeah, we're talking to people who drink Coca Cola.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes.

[David Borey]

Cola products. And we just wanna make sure that the people who drink cola products, when they go to purchase it, we want them to purchase ours. But you don't drink soda. We ain't even talking to you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And I forget that, you know, not that that's okay, but, like, they not even speaking to you.

[Langston Kerman]

But that was. And I 100% agree. And that, I think, was the mistake that, like, Bud Light made when they, like, put the trans person in their ass. Because they were like, yo, this is a part of, like, a cultural movement that we're recognizing and people. We want to acknowledge all the people that might be consumers of our shit. And then immediately they realized their biggest consumer. Fuck, yeah. Biggest consumer don't like that.

[Reshaan McDonald]

They don't like that shit.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa.

[Langston Kerman]

We're sorry. We're sorry. Call Dana White. Get him on the phone. We work with them again. Like, they truly did not like.

[David Borey]

So ABC is like, we're going to consider our biggest consumer as we give y'all this Black guy. And we know he can't be too. You know, they ain't never. Has the bachelor ever been dark skinned. The black bachelor, has he ever been dark?

[Langston Kerman]

That's your papacci. I think the last one was biracial.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And I think that dude don't. He could be.

[David Borey]

He could be, but he do. He don't. He look like. He look like real. He looks standard black.

[Langston Kerman]

He's very.

[David Borey]

You know what I'm saying? He looked like he could be from anywhere in America.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. He's the Honda Civic of color.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean?

[David Borey]

Yeah. And then he gave like the generic answer, you know what I'm saying? His father got the ti. He just wants you to have everything that. You know what I'm saying? So it's like his daddy is the.

[Langston Kerman]

Same color as him. There's no misinterpretation.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah. So it seemed like they were like, nah, we know who we package these things for 100% and.

[Zainab Johnson]

Cause they don't need it to be nuanced, right?

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Zainab Johnson]

In that case, they need it to be whatever caricature they could put in there that seems believable enough for the people who watch the Bachelor.

[David Borey]

And the thing about it is, you know, it's still gonna be people online like, nigger, Yep. It's still. You offended on this side, but there's still gonna be a lot of people. These two black girls out there, nobody rapping, you know?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Get your hands off our woman.

[Zainab Johnson]

Money rapping, touching our women.

[David Borey]

Fucking singing.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, they all. They love to sing.

[Langston Kerman]

Basketball again, huh?

[David Borey]

At least they tried to switch it up. They show women playing basketball. Like, I don't know what this. I don't really know what that trailer is.

[Langston Kerman]

They were like, look, we know you don't know any other sports, but we won't force you to play. We'll let you be the announcer. And that's like, God damn. You still think so low of us. But fine. Yeah. You acknowledge he doesn't have to be.

[David Borey]

Good at it or maybe does abc. Did they get the rights to like the WNBA or something like that? It's like sometimes you just gotta follow the money.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Zainab Johnson]

I mean, his abc, I guess. My Wife and Kids was an ABC show. What black shows have been on abc?

[Langston Kerman]

When the Hughley show. Was that abc?

[Zainab Johnson]

Was that abc?

[David Borey]

I mean, y'all thinking about comedies, But, I mean, abc, for a minute, they secured like, probably like the strongest black talent, which was Shonda Rhimes at one time.

[Langston Kerman]

That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Borey]

As much as her shows don't seem like black shows, but they were led. Scandal was led by a black woman. As much as Grey's Anatomy was a ensemble cast. The head doctor, the head surgeons of the hospital, they were the black woman, black man. Then he had how to Get Away with Murder, led by Viola Davis.

[Langston Kerman]

Scandal.

[David Borey]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

50'S show was on there, right?

[Langston Kerman]

50 Cent had a show on ABC.

[Zainab Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you're talking about the one with the dude in prison.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, that monkey.

[David Borey]

Oh, they tried. They tried the British dude who was supposed to be playing the American.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[David Borey]

Yeah. But it ended. They showed they people that, and they was like, nigga, leave them in there.

[Zainab Johnson]

Leave them in there. They're always in prison.

[Langston Kerman]

Leave Deon Cole in there.

[David Borey]

They try.

[Langston Kerman]

Our guest today, we haven't even introduced you yet. What a chaotic episode it's gonna be. I'm so happy you're here. Our guest today is one of my favorite comedians in the world. She's so funny. You know her from hbo. You her from Prime. You know her from our own special. He jobs off, she does it all. Comedian, actress, writer, all the great shit. And we're so happy she's here. Giving up for Zainab Johnson.

[David Borey]

What up, though? I am not from Detroit. Oh, my God. Hey, you guys. That was me trying to put it on extra thick for you.

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[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that trick. Trick came out of you. I like that.

[David Borey]

Let me go back to myself. Hello, everyone.

[Langston Kerman]

There we go. We're happy you're here. You came to us with a conspiracy that I'll be honest, I don't like where it's gonna start us off.

[Zainab Johnson]

He knows where it's gonna start.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't like.

[Zainab Johnson]

Cause one of us does it and one of us doesn't.

[Langston Kerman]

It's going to feel like an attack right from the start. And I've never cared for that energy. I've only been a person of positivity.

[Zainab Johnson]

Everybody who has dark shit, slander, like, on the low.

[David Borey]

I know, but it's the way he says it. He puts up his finger.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And Langston is able have those never ending sentences.

[Zainab Johnson]

But, like, you're okay with it 100%.

[David Borey]

It's like, oh, no, this sentence is still going, but it feels fine.

[Zainab Johnson]

And it's like he's presenting a unified front.

[Langston Kerman]

People say about my comedy, still going, but it feels fine.

[Zainab Johnson]

When he's gonna do it today, he'll present a unified front and he'll be like, but that's not what y'all do. Right? And then it's like, well, come on, man. Are we on the same page or not?

[Langston Kerman]

All right, well, it's already started. Now I feel how you're behaving. My mama told me you said, zaynab, black people don't need to wear sunblock and sunscreen.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

Absolutely not.

[David Borey]

They don't.

[Zainab Johnson]

They don't.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Zainab Johnson]

Oh, no. Yeah. I'm not on his side.

[David Borey]

Oh, yeah. I don't think I'm on your side. Oh, plot twist.

[Zainab Johnson]

Whoa. Oh, no.

[Langston Kerman]

Scream 2.

[David Borey]

Stab stamps.

[Zainab Johnson]

I stand on it.

[David Borey]

So, first of all. So let's get into the difference. Cause I don't even know if. Well, you probably don't know this because you are. You don't care about it, but the difference between sunscreen and sunblock, that felt nasty. I'm so sorry.

[Zainab Johnson]

That felt like a sentence that went on too long.

[David Borey]

Too long, and it was not fine.

[Langston Kerman]

You probably don't know this. Cause you sleep outside, you can't read gorilla. But for us indoor people.

[David Borey]

Booga, booga, booga, booga.

[Zainab Johnson]

See what happens? See what happens? He went on too long. He went on too long.

[David Borey]

I say this humbly because I did not know that there was a difference between sunscreen and sunblock.

[Langston Kerman]

Tell us the difference.

[Zainab Johnson]

I don't know that. I didn't know that either. I did not know that. You got me.

[David Borey]

Yeah. So one it is in the marketing of it, all right? They're kind of interchangeable, but the literal difference is that the ingredients. Sunblock. Actually blocks the UV rays. But sunscreen allows the uv. UV rays to penetrate, but then they get dispersed as some healthy sort of light in your body versus damaging. Yeah. So you can basically receive it. Right. But it doesn't do the damage. Whereas sunblock. Basically, sunscreen allows your skin to absorb the UV rays without the damage. But sunblock is like we not even letting you in.

[Langston Kerman]

We can't even.

[Zainab Johnson]

Are you advocating for screener block right now?

[David Borey]

I don't think that it really. I don't think that it matters.

[Langston Kerman]

The general use.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the general use. And I know most black people feel how you feel, and I definitely were one. I'm. I'm newly on the other side.

[Zainab Johnson]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go. I love that y'all see I'm newly.

[David Borey]

On the other side that I'm.

[Langston Kerman]

That I'm pro sunscreen.

[David Borey]

I hope that you are. Your lack of melanin dictates that you should be.

[Zainab Johnson]

Tell me we're wrong again.

[Langston Kerman]

You're speaking to me, nasty. You are speaking to me, nasty.

[David Borey]

We're speaking to you like medical professionals. I hope. Hope.

[Langston Kerman]

Tell me you don't wear sunscreen. If you have a doctor tell me.

[Zainab Johnson]

You don't wear sunscreen right now.

[Langston Kerman]

I wear what I have to to survive, which is sunblock, which is spf. I do put on sunscreen, I will say that I don't put it on nearly as diligently or as, like, often as white people. And I certainly don't think I'm exempt. Like, I get it, but it takes a minute for me to sunburn. It's not like, oh, like, I get it every time I go out type shit.

[Zainab Johnson]

Like, if you're at. You're cooking out all afternoon, you gotta put on sunblock.

[Langston Kerman]

I should, but there are plenty of days where I will not get a sunburn.

[David Borey]

But I think that that is the actual misconception, the fact that the sunburn is the immediate damage. Right. And so if you are not feeling the immediate damage, you feel like you are exempt from the actual damage. And so I don't get sunburn. I never, like. I mean, I had sunburn once in my life, and as a kid, up until a few years ago, I never wore sunscreen, sunblock, anything. But it's still, you know, you notice that you start getting moles. You notice that you start getting actual sun damage. And you think that's just a part of aging.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

You know, and you do, you know, sit in a very privileged place right now, being the darkest person in the room.

[Zainab Johnson]

Keep going.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You beat the fuck out of the sun. I'm a cute.

[Carissa Thompson]

You know.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Square up, n you square up, nigga.

[Zainab Johnson]

He gets one ally. And then it's like, now we don't. Now we don't talk anymore.

[Langston Kerman]

Right. You know, Wonder Woman, Like, I'll tell.

[David Borey]

You when I started using it diligently. I don't leave the house without it. So I feel like I use it more than you.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[David Borey]

Even sometimes, an esthetician told me, even when you're sitting in your house, if you don't go out for the day, you got your windows open. She said, if you don't do one thing, I want you to put sunscreen on.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[Zainab Johnson]

That's wild.

[David Borey]

Yeah. White lady.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. That made it complicated. I thought you were gonna bring in more proof. Here's a crazy little bit of information.

[David Borey]

White lady, Eccentric white lady. And she said, you know, and I am very mindful of, you know, when they don't know what word to Actually say so. She started just gesturing.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah. Can I ask where this was at? Was this like at a spa that she said this or like at the grocery store?

[David Borey]

No, no, no. This was. I always tell this was at her office. And the reason why she was telling me is because during the pandemic, I had an outbreak.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, no.

[David Borey]

And she said the thing that people don't know is the reason why people scarce is because the sun is what darkens your pigment.

[Langston Kerman]

Wow.

[David Borey]

And so if you want. She said, a lot of people think that you can reverse. She said, all I need you to do to not have scarring is wear.

[Zainab Johnson]

A sunblock in the house.

[David Borey]

Well, if your house gets a lot of light, then wear something. Windows.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, go ahead and put that sunblock on some curtains.

[David Borey]

You know, if you. Yeah, put that sunblock on. And I'm telling you, it's also like anti aging. Right. These are things that the more melanated we are, we have natural. God put it in us. Come on, forgive me.

[Zainab Johnson]

I'm 20.

[David Borey]

Put it in us.

[Langston Kerman]

All right, that's all right.

[David Borey]

God gave us nature carefully.

[Zainab Johnson]

He gave us everything we deserve.

[David Borey]

God gave us. Nature is repellent.

[Langston Kerman]

All right. You love the Lord better, I guess.

[Zainab Johnson]

But.

[Langston Kerman]

But yeah, we still. You're saying black people still need some of it, even if the nature's repellent is there?

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

[Langston Kerman]

Now, growing up, was there anybody in your house who was encouraging you to put on sunscreen?

[David Borey]

No.

[Zainab Johnson]

Never.

[David Borey]

Well, first of all, that is a luxury. We are. You try. Oh, you. You know, I grew up in a house. Are you trying to protect your skin?

[Zainab Johnson]

More grease.

[David Borey]

Exactly.

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[David Borey]

We was wearing Vaseline. Vaseline in school. Vaseline out in the 100 degree weather, which is now we fried chicken. You know, that's why I look as.

[Zainab Johnson]

Old as I do as Vaseline. I got vaseline face.

[David Borey]

Yeah. No, I never even heard of. I've never even heard of it until I started playing. And I would spend my summers with this white family.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh.

[David Borey]

And they would, you know, you know, they always got the white stuff. It just sit on their face. And you just supposed to accept that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

It's not sunscreen. That's the same thing.

[David Borey]

That's sunblock.

[Zainab Johnson]

That's block.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They don't ever bring it up.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean? Like, they never go like, oh, by the way, I know I look crazy. I put this on my face to not look crazy.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Cause I think they nose is closer to the sun.

[Zainab Johnson]

Right. And that. No, I'm with.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's what we call bigotry, folks. That's that pure bigotry.

[David Borey]

Nowhere else. It just be right on the nose.

[Langston Kerman]

I never understood.

[Zainab Johnson]

It's crazy. Yeah, it does look crazy. It looks like they always look like they're having a bad time outside. Like, you gotta have a special hat. You gotta have it on your.

[David Borey]

It seems like I get the. Is this the proper term? Gingers.

[Langston Kerman]

I think they still.

[David Borey]

I get the red. The red hat, the plant. I get them. They will. Conan O'Brien can't burst into flank. The sun is his energy.

[Langston Kerman]

No, he shouldn't go outside. Yeah, it's not meant for that.

[David Borey]

He don't got no protection.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know, that's really crazy to not be able to go outside.

[David Borey]

And when you around people like that, you feel bad because it's real for them. It's real. It's like.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Have you ever met a woman?

[Zainab Johnson]

I wish. I don't feel bad, but I should feel bad. It is funny when I encounter it in person.

[Langston Kerman]

Have you ever met her?

[Zainab Johnson]

You gotta go inside. Maybe go into the umbrella a little bit.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I'm just gonna chill here, but go ahead, big man. I respect you.

[Zainab Johnson]

Cause it hurts. Cause it hurts to go outside.

[Langston Kerman]

Have you ever met a white albino?

[Zainab Johnson]

No, I've only ever. We talked about this. I only ever seen black ones.

[David Borey]

I never seen one.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I know a few white albinos. A few. Yeah, I know.

[Zainab Johnson]

What are the odds on that?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know. I thought they were more common, but apparently they're rare.

[David Borey]

Are they. Can I. Can they not see?

[Langston Kerman]

They can't see.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I can imagine.

[Langston Kerman]

They're just like void of pigment and like red eyes and can't see and shit. And. Yeah, they got a fucking. It's like putting on a Hazmat suit to go.

[David Borey]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. There was a very funny dude who. I know who out of Boston that was. Is a white albino. And he truly has to cover himself.

[Zainab Johnson]

Like, it's like a disability at that point.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, the sun is radiation and he can't. Him. They can expose himself to it.

[Zainab Johnson]

Do they get. Do they get stickers? They get. They get special parking. They should.

[David Borey]

They should need to. They do got to park real close. You know, people get out and they. In that wheelchair, it's like. No, you could. You could roll that distance, but yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

You could get a 10 in the wheels.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you need your swing cardio.

[David Borey]

Yeah, but he. He gotta get inside quick.

[Langston Kerman]

He can't afford to be out here.

[David Borey]

He ain't never been to the zoo.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, my God.

[David Borey]

He cannot go.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Zainab Johnson]

Kids need a baseball game. That sucks.

[Langston Kerman]

You, I assume, similarly, never told anything about sunblocks on screen whatsoever.

[Zainab Johnson]

I'm not gonna tell my family I'm having this conversation.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa. This is.

[Zainab Johnson]

No, never. Never.

[David Borey]

It never. I think it's even more than it. Because it's like. I think now that there's been, like, you know, an influx in making products specifically for people of color. But I think even if our parents did know about sunscreen, it's like, we not putting that on. You're gonna look ashy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Yes.

[David Borey]

You gonna look white.

[Langston Kerman]

It's the craziest ask of sunscreen is that it really does make that.

[Zainab Johnson]

I didn't know that.

[David Borey]

It's the zinc.

[Zainab Johnson]

It doesn't. Cause it's zinc oxide, Right?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

It doesn't rub in, though.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm gonna blow a little bit of the research, but there is what you're referring to. The difference between sunscreen and sunblock is not necessarily. It's not just that terminology. There's a difference between chemical and mineral sunscreens.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And so the chemical sunscreens are the ones that do rub in, but even those still kind of leave a little bit of a film, whereas the sun, the mineral sunscreens sit on top of the skin. That's what leaves behind that literal, like, white, pasty sort of vibe that is the one that keeps you from the sun from entering at all, whereas the other one is sort of expecting the sun to go in, but not as many of the rays as it was before.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

So you got a lotion and then sunscreen.

[Langston Kerman]

Even if you do, the white film stays behind. It's probably what you would do to not look ashy is sunscreen then lotion. But I bet that lotion fucks up the sunscreen.

[David Borey]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Entirely.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, you're ruining the point if you, like, put another product on top.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I think, you know, I think that it's like, this is. It just hit me, like, we should really be, like, congratulated. Because when I see just white stuff sitting on white people's bodies, I'm like, yeah. Cause they need that. I don't make fun of them. You know what I'm saying? But you know what? Sometimes you see people see things, it's like, okay, you see my hair braided and you making fun of me. But it's like, I'm seeing white stuff on your body, and I'm just like, that's what you gotta do, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

The empathy that black people show show constantly for the white experience is insane. Comparatively like they feel like even the.

[Zainab Johnson]

Knowledge we have to have of it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

The fact that we know that it's a thing that they have to like, you know what I'm saying? Like because they would just be. Oh, why do they all do that?

[Langston Kerman]

It's. It's literally what we were just talking about. We know that they have to put white stuff on their nose when they go outside. They won't even bother learning who the fuck Michael Ealy is.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah. What a durags for.

[David Borey]

Yeah. That's crazy. They don't know who Michael Ealy is. No, these n. They don't know Michael Ealy. Kind of look like old baggy. That's who they was going for. They was going for Michael Ealy.

[Langston Kerman]

Michael Ealy was safer. What if when nobody's scared of Michael. Elle.

[Zainab Johnson]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

We need to take a break.

[Zainab Johnson]

We.

[Langston Kerman]

We. We're going to take a break and then we're going to come back with more znab. More My Mama.

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[Zainab Johnson]

Living in America. Which is exactly what we're doing. Welcome back to My Mama's Only. I do want to say, before you get into the research.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

I have mentioned on this podcast how I feel about sunscreen. And I. I've gotten DMs being like, you need to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, I've gotten product ideas, probably should they sell at Target, because Target, he sells black shit. So people have come at me used to, oh, I know, right?

[Langston Kerman]

They don't have to no more with that dei, bro.

[Zainab Johnson]

No, we ain't got that no more. Sweet potato pancakes. And people have volleyed this at Me and I hit it back every time. This shit's like, I, I understand that what you're going to tell me is probably real research and you're going to tell me to make a life change today. This is like washing chicken though. I'm just, I'm going to keep.

[Langston Kerman]

You're not open to, to that change?

[Zainab Johnson]

Not particularly, no.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, well let me tell you some things.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I mean tell y'all both some.

[Langston Kerman]

Things and you tell me what you think of this. First of all, when you Google, do black people need to wear sunscreen? The AI response, you know, Google now feeds you sort of this AI response. The AI response is absolutely, we do. Every single black person, they say you.

[Zainab Johnson]

Let a robot tell you how to.

[Langston Kerman]

Live regardless of skin tone. They say we have to wear sunscreen. They say that melanin itself is a protection against UV rays. It does not protect against all skin damage though. They explain that studies show black people are more likely to develop skin cancer in sun exposed areas and that the tumors can be harder to identify early because of dark skin. They say we are supposed to be putting on sunscreen. Feels like this very open and shut case, right? The AI answer is in. Now here's where shit gets crazy.

[Zainab Johnson]

Your eyes are lit up right now.

[Langston Kerman]

I've been sitting on this for a minute.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, you came in.

[Langston Kerman]

You came in and started doing work. I didn't hear he don't be doing no research.

[Zainab Johnson]

That's not my job. That's not my job.

[Langston Kerman]

What's your job by the way?

[Zainab Johnson]

Don't worry about it, man. Why don't you do your job and.

[David Borey]

Quit worrying about what my shit is, btw.

[Langston Kerman]

Now that's the AI answer. But when you dig further into this, I found this New York Times article that makes things a lot more complicated. Complicated. The New York Times article basically explains that most of the studies around the danger of skin cancer do not actually use black participants or prioritize black participants. And what they found is that these experts now believe that there is no clear link between sun exposure and skin cancer for black and brown people.

[Zainab Johnson]

Let's go.

[David Borey]

And who wrote the article?

[Langston Kerman]

Article, New York Times. Who?

[David Borey]

Was it Tamika or was it Grant?

[Langston Kerman]

That's a good question. I actually didn't look at the author, which tells you how stupid I am. I was like, oh, the white man saying this, it's cool. I need to look that up. Let me tell you right now, I'm going to figure that out because that's all right.

[Zainab Johnson]

But that doesn't surprise me. That the research would not include because it never does. Yeah, exactly. That's what I just said.

[David Borey]

Some people are not going to. Because we're not about to show up for this.

[Langston Kerman]

There's no incentive.

[Zainab Johnson]

If some shit ever sounded like a trap.

[David Borey]

Yeah. And we don't trust. We don't trust the medical industry enough to even save ourselves because we don't believe that it's in service of saving us.

[Zainab Johnson]

And is it?

[Langston Kerman]

Well, that's what's fascinating, right, is that they rank. The way that they do these studies is that they basically put people's skin on this scale of 1 to 6, 6. Where they go like, if you get sunburns all the fucking time, you can't go outside. You got to put on a Hazmat suit. You are a one. If you are a person who's never had a sunburn in their life, you are a six. And if you are using these, these people on this scale for a study of skin cancer, which you have automatically associated with UV rays, you have no reason to study a 5 or a 6. Right. You eliminate those from your core group because they're not getting the skin cancer you're expecting them to get from the UV rays. And then that means that an entire subsect of black participants is eliminated from the study. So they're finding in lighter skinned people like me a connection between the sun and the skin cancer. But for anybody that has a more substantial amount of melanin, it ain't actually the correlation that they're suggesting it was. And even more so, they say that it's not even true about the tumors showing up and us not seeing them, because they say that. Or skin cancer, rather, in melanated people often shows up in spots where sun exposure doesn't happen. It's the fucking dot on Bob Marley's toe that kills him. He got skin cancer on the bottom of his foot. That ain't sun exposure. That did that. That's some other shit.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

So are you saying that black people don't need sunscreen block?

[Langston Kerman]

I'm saying that the New York Times is saying that we don't need sunscreen or sunblock. And it gets even crazier.

[Zainab Johnson]

Shout out to all my sixes, by the way.

[David Borey]

Well, really, you know, this might be a terrorist attack. You know, they might be like, let's print an article.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, okay.

[David Borey]

And can let them know it's okay.

[Zainab Johnson]

Keep them outside.

[David Borey]

I will say I haven't. I don't know. I personally don't know anybody. I don't know, Bob. I Didn't know Bob Marley personally. But like I don't have any. I don't have any like relatives, you know, that were like, oh. But I do the thing I think that's more concerning. It might be crazy for me that's more concerning than cancer is aging. Right. And I do see the difference between people. If you just look at cultures that exist outside, you know, like the sun, damp, what the sun does in terms of the aging process. And I think the anti aging process is to. To prevent the damage that the sun can cause. Even if it's not carcinogenic. Is that the right word?

[Langston Kerman]

I think so. I wonder if I'm playing devil's advocate here though. I wonder if that is also related to resources in totality, not just individual sunblock. Right.

[Zainab Johnson]

It's more of a life like a style of living overall.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. We just have healthier options, just better access to everything, you know. No.

[David Borey]

All the rich white people, I don't care how rich they are. They skin is suffering.

[Langston Kerman]

They look like shit.

[Zainab Johnson]

They look crazy.

[David Borey]

Put every actress next to Regina Hall. She still look like she 32 years old. And they look like the Crypt Keeper.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

If they don't have AI and Botox and every white actress, but she's still out there looking like she is a 35 year old woman. I think she 50.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

At least.

[Langston Kerman]

I think she's closer to 60.

[David Borey]

She might not be.

[Langston Kerman]

I think that's the oldest woman that ever was. No. Yeah, 100%. I think, I think the comparison is tough no matter how you spend that.

[David Borey]

And then with the biracial people. All right, the biracial people you be seeing, you know, like when Halle Berry started looking crazy, we be like, damn, that's the white part. Y'all know when she, you know.

[Langston Kerman]

And again, that's the nasty in y'all because y'all turn on us so fast. The second Halle Berry.

[David Borey]

I think we just call it what it is. Yeah, yeah, put your foot in there. There's no way Cicely Tyson's dark skinned behind out there looking just radiant. And it has.

[Zainab Johnson]

She's 200.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. So she's gone now.

[David Borey]

She's gone now but before.

[Langston Kerman]

She doesn't look good anymore.

[David Borey]

No, she died at 199 point.

[Langston Kerman]

She did die. She died real. Yeah, No, I. I agree. I look, I think the point of the study is more to say that they are creating correlations and not necessarily prioritizing black skin the way that we think they are when they're producing these studies. And for Me, the scarier part was this AI response being so different from the potential truth, right? That, like, AI is essentially giving us this amalgamation of a bunch of things that it read in a bunch of articles and goes, well, this is what everybody agreed is the answer. But if this article is true, then that's not correct because it can bring a lot of people in the wrong direction.

[Zainab Johnson]

If the majority. If the majority of those studies are not included, including fives and sixes, then of course that's what AI is going to get.

[Langston Kerman]

Right?

[Zainab Johnson]

Right. Which is why we can't trust these robots 100%.

[David Borey]

But I feel kind of different because I'm like, well, who are they going for? Who are they going to. For the studies where AI is probably checking a mix of professionally written articles, a bunch of people on social media, there are a lot of professionals. There are a lot of estheticians. For example, when I first got laser hair removal, right? It's like they couldn't tell you. They couldn't tell you anything about it on black skin, except there was a lot of. But the laser is not gonna pick up dark on dark, right? So if you got black hair on black in the same way that if you are. You have blonde hair on white skin, the laser's gonna burn you as well. Like, the laser was built for black hair on white skin. That's the easiest thing to identify. Right? And so then it's. It took somebody being interested, somebody like, wait, there's a whole market of women that we're ignoring, a whole bunch of money that we can get. We have to figure out what laser can treat darker skin like melanated skin. Right? But people aren't. What I'm saying is people aren't coming necessarily to all of the professionals out there that are specifically concerned with melanated skin, they're not seeking them as a resource where AI has more access because women are talking about it on their platforms. Women have their own websites. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Zainab Johnson]

Right, right. It's like a bigger. It's a bigger pool to draw from.

[Langston Kerman]

Here's the other little drop, bomb, drop I'll throw your way before we conclude whether or not we should be wearing sunscreen.

[David Borey]

Okay. I'm gonna keep wearing it.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited to share this with you.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

And we'll find out what happens.

[David Borey]

Okay?

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. Okay. The other part of this article that they talk about is that there is a fair amount of evidence that suggests that certain sunscreens are actually more harmful to users regardless of race and color, that putting them on is actually more dangerous than leaving them off with the chemical ones specifically that we were talking about earlier are basically meant to be able to go into the skin. But the FDA and a number of scientists fully acknowledge that two of the chemicals in particular inside of those sunscreens are not officially cleared for healthy consumption by human beings.

[David Borey]

Now, is this the FDA before or after rfk?

[Zainab Johnson]

This the new fda.

[David Borey]

I gotta know which fda, Nelly.

[Langston Kerman]

This is old fda. This that old FDA you trusted?

[Zainab Johnson]

Sorry.

[David Borey]

Oh, I ain't never trusted. Let me tell you something.

[Langston Kerman]

This the FDA you pray to every night. Lord, please protect the fda. Put your hands on the fda.

[Zainab Johnson]

That's the American manufacturing I know and love. That makes sense to me. I believe that.

[David Borey]

What are the two.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, benzophenone and oxybenzone, which they say even if you use sunscreen at the recommended amount, you are putting far too many of those chemicals like they absorb into your skin at a level that the FDA basically recognizes as toxic, that it's too much of that shit to use it consistently the way that they would suggest for sunscreen. And in particular what they say is for women, that the sunscreen. Consistent use of sunscreen leads to reduced estrogen levels and. And higher cases of endometriosis. So it's fucking people up because of the chemicals rather than the protection of the sun.

[Zainab Johnson]

Those chemicals. Is that the majority of products contain those or are those like outliers? I think it's specific like that standard. Like it's usually gonna have that.

[Langston Kerman]

I think they're in the chemical ones. I think it's a standard ingredient in all the chemical sunscreens. But sunblock, you could put that on all day because that's just. It's sink. It's like some other shit, but it's all stuff that comes from the earth.

[David Borey]

But you're not about to put that on because you're gonna be out here looking crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

You look like.

[David Borey]

Either way, you gonna look crazy. You look nice. But you can't have no kids, so. Or you. Or you look crazy. So don't nobody want to give you no kids. It's like, what is.

[Zainab Johnson]

Either way, we're not having babies. That's a real issue we need to talk about.

[Langston Kerman]

And I do think that it does speak to sort of the danger of excluding us from these studies.

[Zainab Johnson]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Is that at the end of the day, what you're also asking is that these people who make products don't have any incentive for making a sunscreen that will rub in at your skin tone. You know what I mean? Or will sit on your skin and not make you look like a nutcase.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, they're not worried about me looking crazy out here because they don't give a fuck.

[Langston Kerman]

And they don't have to give a fuck because you're not even a part of the study at large.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I'm looking at my. I'm trying to look up my sunscreen.

[Zainab Johnson]

Okay.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Zainab Johnson]

You trying to find out.

[David Borey]

I'm trying to figure out the ingredients in it. Yeah. Let's see. Do we have time?

[Zainab Johnson]

Oh, no.

[Langston Kerman]

Is this endometriosis?

[David Borey]

The active ingredient in my sunscreen is 12% micronized zinc.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Zainab Johnson]

Okay. But that's the same thing as in some. That's always gonna be the active ingredient.

[Langston Kerman]

Right. I think zinc's the main player for that.

[Zainab Johnson]

I assume those ingredients you were talking about are gonna be. I think they're minor secondary.

[David Borey]

Okay, I'm gonna read out all the other ones and tell me if. If I can't remember what you said. Certified organic. Ooh. Certified organic. Certified.

[Zainab Johnson]

Someone making a little money, got a little money.

[David Borey]

Aloe vera. That's a plant.

[Langston Kerman]

That's pretty good.

[David Borey]

Thiotic acid.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. That's not a plant. They don't grow that with grapes.

[David Borey]

Magnesium. Vitamin C. Okay. Vitamin C. Vitamin B B12. Vitamin E. Vitamin D. Grape. Grape seed extract.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Borey]

Primrose oil. Sunflower safflower. Slippery elm extract. What's that?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know.

[David Borey]

That must make it go on smooth.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

That make it go.

[David Borey]

Borage oil. I might not be saying that right. B, O, R, A, G. I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

Varahe.

[David Borey]

Chamomile.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Borey]

Plantain.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that's.

[Zainab Johnson]

Okay.

[David Borey]

That's a lot of calories. Yeah. Hyaluronic acid.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. That's not a good one.

[David Borey]

But hyaluronic acid is like. That's the thing that shrinks your pores. Yeah. And like the youth. Hyaluronic acid. You want it to the elastin in your face.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, I got you, I believe. Yeah.

[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

I mean, it seems like a pretty good sun. What is it? Screen. They don't even say. They don't even call it a sunscreen or block.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, see, you putting bullshit on your head.

[Zainab Johnson]

I knew it was you putting a.

[Langston Kerman]

Smoothie on your head.

[Zainab Johnson]

That's just more lotion.

[David Borey]

Oh, no, no, no. It's called sunscreen. They call it sunscreen.

[Langston Kerman]

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[Langston Kerman]

Well, I fully respect, I respect folks choosing to put it back on to not put it back on. At this point. I think one of the things that I took from the article was that it basically was like, look, dealer's choice. At this point you're either dealing with fallout from the sun, which may or may not be real, or you're dealing with the fallout from this sunscreen and it absorbing into your skin, which we haven't proven to be cancerous, but we haven't proven it not to be.

[David Borey]

And like what's the amount when they say you putting it on excessively, like what's excessive? Whenever people say things that are not like an action, you know, like measurable amount, like what is that? There's a what's excessive?

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, I don't know.

[David Borey]

You put it on once a day. What's excessive? You know what I'm saying? What's excessive?

[Zainab Johnson]

There's also a level of calculated risk I think when it comes to products people have been saying that about like deodorant. I'm just not, I can't stop. You know what I'm saying that's just not good for you. You absorb whatever I got. Come on, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. We know for a fact little bits of aluminum being in your arm ain't good for you. Yeah, but what you want to be out here?

[Zainab Johnson]

You tried that natural shit. Now I'm going to get on an airplane wearing toms. That's crazy.

[David Borey]

I'd rather die than stink.

[Zainab Johnson]

I'm saying if it's just. It's just like five years. If I get five less years. But they're not stinky years. I think I'm a ticket, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

The idea. We talked about this on the podcast before. The idea of being called musty in public is truly my grand.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah. One of them, definitely.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, if I have like high school ass nightmares of like, this nigga's musty and everybody laughing. Do you know what I mean?

[David Borey]

I do. What would you prefer? Being musty or having stink breath?

[Zainab Johnson]

Damn, that's tough.

[Langston Kerman]

Stinky breath. Stinky breath, I think. Oh, no, you don't have to.

[David Borey]

Oh, I much rather being musty than having stinky breath.

[Zainab Johnson]

Stinky breath is so. I mean, they're both assaulting. I feel like, like when we're in.

[Langston Kerman]

Close quarters, stinky breath gives you a chance at getting close to somebody.

[David Borey]

What?

[Langston Kerman]

You can't even get it. I can't even get it. Get the car ride home with you, baby. You musty.

[David Borey]

Stinky breath is so offensive. Stinky breath is like a medical need. Like, musty is like, okay, they sweat a lot or they don't. You know what I'm saying? They.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you're saying.

[David Borey]

I don't, I don't think I ever smell people who are musty. And I'm like, they. Hygiene is just out of order. It's like, nah, they just, you know, unfortunately, they. Maybe it's a crazy day or maybe they just have to do a little bit more. But when somebody got that, that breath, they feel stomach related.

[Zainab Johnson]

Feel like, oh, no, now this is dietary issue.

[David Borey]

This is like, this is like a health issue. Are you. Are you not brushing? Are you not? It's like very intimate. The mouth is very intimate. Intimate.

[Zainab Johnson]

I feel like you encounter stank breath less too. Like, just like in life, you know what I'm saying? So it like stays with you. Like I can remember. You remember somebody being stank breath worse than musty.

[David Borey]

I think also you go to certain countries and must. That's the thing, you know, France, Africa, they. That's. I mean, you better get used to it.

[Langston Kerman]

That's true. If I opted to Be permanently musty. There's somewhere I could move.

[David Borey]

You would leave the country.

[Langston Kerman]

Welcome, brother.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I'm not gonna live here. Here?

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm not gonna. No, no, no, no.

[David Borey]

That's hard.

[Langston Kerman]

No, that's crazy.

[David Borey]

That's hard.

[Langston Kerman]

It wouldn't work.

[David Borey]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

But I'll. I'll definitely move to, you know, I'm not gonna say which country.

[Zainab Johnson]

Don't say it.

[Langston Kerman]

But. But we all know a few places.

[David Borey]

No, it's a lot of countries. And it's like. I even said it on stage in different countries, and they be like. And they come up to me like, don't say that. And I'm like, but back up. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Take a few steps back to you.

[David Borey]

But bad breasts.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. That's not standard.

[David Borey]

And I'm not talking about like, oh, your breath smell like garlic. Cause you just had some cancer. I'm talking about.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think we're.

[David Borey]

We recognize, you know, you ain't seen it.

[Zainab Johnson]

Cause there is a. When you encounter it, it is like. It's like a worry comes over you from.

[Langston Kerman]

It is a violence where you're like, damn.

[Zainab Johnson]

Ah. Yeah.

[David Borey]

What you doing?

[Langston Kerman]

I think I changed my mind. I think I was pretty sold on my idea. But once you introduce the fact that I could move somewhere and still think I gotta go musty.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I just think Bo seems more fixable.

[Langston Kerman]

I agree with you.

[David Borey]

Than like, bad breath.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's more fixable. I think it's more socially acceptable than the alternative in a way that the nightmare doesn't justify. But that's my business to figure out. Damn. I think we did it.

[Zainab Johnson]

We really got to the bottom of some stuff today.

[David Borey]

I hope so.

[Langston Kerman]

I think we really do. You tan. You're a nasty person.

[Zainab Johnson]

That's not nasty. To say it's not nasty. We've been having an open dialogue.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm a nasty person.

[David Borey]

Do you.

[Langston Kerman]

I do tan.

[David Borey]

That's all I want. Honestly.

[Langston Kerman]

No, Not. I don't, like, go and tan myself, but if I'm in the sun, I will.

[David Borey]

You want to hear something crazy about me?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I put on the tanning lotion and oil so that I can get darker.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[David Borey]

But I make sure. Yeah. Oh, it's beautiful. Especially if you get. I think the brand is, like, banana boat or something like that.

[Reshaan McDonald]

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[David Borey]

Oh, my. Like, I just be dark red. Oh, yes.

[Zainab Johnson]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

But it's dark.

[David Borey]

Like, the darker. The cute Tupac darker the beverage. I be like, yes. I give a holla to my sisters. I mean, I'm not on welfare, but shout out to them, you know what I'm saying? Good luck, sweetheart. You know what I'm saying? Good luck.

[Zainab Johnson]

All six is welcome.

[Langston Kerman]

But isn't that antithetical to your goals of preservation?

[David Borey]

No. Because you can get the sun, you can get the tanning lotion that also has the spf, the block, and it just. It allows you to get darker. It allows your skin to get that toasty, you know, when you come on. Here's the thing. It allows you to bronze. It's like what they put on when people go on red carpets and stuff, and everybody look all bronzy on their arm and stuff like that. It's like the natural effect when we see people who naturally come from Brazil, Jamaica, the Caribbean, and we, like. They got a nice red hue to them. It's like the. The sun brings out your undertones.

[Langston Kerman]

Undertones, yeah, that's right.

[David Borey]

You know, and I just be looking like a dark red, like. Yeah, give it to me.

[Langston Kerman]

Big old cherry tomatoes.

[David Borey]

Yes, yes, yes. And I love it. But I make sure that the sun tanning. I'm not sitting there for hours.

[Zainab Johnson]

Right, right.

[David Borey]

I'm still being, you know, taking the precaution.

[Langston Kerman]

You're just not. Yeah, yeah.

[David Borey]

But when I come back from the island, I wanted to.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's fair.

[David Borey]

I want people to be like, where was you? I was away.

[Langston Kerman]

Sometimes I go to, like, an exotic place and I don't come back a brand new color. And that is disappointing.

[David Borey]

Yeah, it's like nobody was like, oh, what? You was at home?

[Zainab Johnson]

You went to Chicago this weekend.

[David Borey]

That's like a sign. That's like a sign of class. Right. You come back with tan lines. Oh, you have money for vacation.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You had money to be somewhere where we weren't. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn. All right, I'm gonna start putting on some weird greases. Let's find out. Yeah, all the weird greases. Every flavor. We'll figure out what happens.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yeah, just go out there and bake.

[Langston Kerman]

This is so much fun, Zaynab.

[David Borey]

Thanks for having me.

[Langston Kerman]

Can you tell the people where they can find you what shit you got going on?

[David Borey]

Yeah, they definitely. If they haven't watched my special yet, it's on Prime. They can watch that. It's called Hijab. I'm on a show called upload. Our fourth and final season is coming this year, 2025. I'm always touring, so they can go to my website. It's ZainabJohnson.com Z A I N A B Johnson, social media. ZaynabJohnson. Except for TikTok. It's the Zainab Johnson.

[Langston Kerman]

Somebody being nasty on TikTok, huh? They won't give it up. They won't give it up.

[David Borey]

I ain't even checked. Somebody else started my TikTok for me.

[Zainab Johnson]

There you go.

[David Borey]

Yeah, somebody else, like, one of my professional people started it for me. And. And, yeah. And I found out I was on a podcast with some girls, and it was like. I was like, instagram and Twitter and it was like, plug your TikTok. I was like, oh, I don't like TikTok.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes, you do.

[David Borey]

This is like my TikTok first name was like, the Chinese are stealing your information. And I was like. I was like, completely adamantly against having TikTok. And I was like, I do not have TikTok. I purposely don't have TikTok. And she was like, but you do. Go.

[Langston Kerman]

But you do.

[David Borey]

That's not you. And I said, let me see that.

[Langston Kerman]

Hold on.

[David Borey]

Okay. Oh, wait. It got a. Somebody put up a joke, and it got a million views.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, this doesn't feel like starting over.

[Zainab Johnson]

Yes.

[David Borey]

Tik off.

[Zainab Johnson]

China's gonna take your workers information. You'll be all right.

[David Borey]

China, you need some block. Sorry.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I had to.

[David Borey]

That was the first place I had to open up an umbrella.

[Langston Kerman]

I say they walk around with little umbrellas.

[David Borey]

I had to. I thought I was gonna burn. I said, ran back to the hotel, got an umbrella.

[Zainab Johnson]

Real.

[David Borey]

Oh, yes.

[Langston Kerman]

Because they got so much.

[Zainab Johnson]

Is that an altitude?

[Langston Kerman]

No, they have so much smog in there. Air that it like. Or like, weird chemicals in the air and shit that it, like, superpowers the sun.

[Zainab Johnson]

Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

That shit, like, refracts. Refracts and blasts at you like an ant with a magnifying glass.

[Zainab Johnson]

Damn, that's crazy. It's extra hot.

[Langston Kerman]

It's nuts out there. Yeah, yeah. When it is, you don't want to just take that sun in regular.

[David Borey]

I felt literally like it was burning. Like, when I stepped outside, I was like, I'll have to stay in. I won't be able to.

[Langston Kerman]

It's crazy because it'll be burning you, but then you look up and you don't even, like, see the sun directly. Damn, it's wild out there.

[Zainab Johnson]

Asia Bore.

[Langston Kerman]

What you got?

[Zainab Johnson]

Cool GuyJokes87 on Instagram. Patreon.com davidborri Buy my special, please. I'll buy sunscreen if you buy the special.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[Zainab Johnson]

That's the deal. We go in together.

[Langston Kerman]

Day six.

[Zainab Johnson]

Oh, yeah. March 14th I'm gonna be at the Comedy Commonwealth in Cincinnati or Kentucky, I don't quite know. March 15th comedy corner underground.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell yeah. You can follow me Langston Kerman on all the social media platforms. You can see me live at the Vancouver JFL February 22nd and then at the Vermont Comedy Club May 27th through the 29th. You can send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories. You can tell us what you rub on your skin that keeps you from getting [e-mail] we would love to hear. Call us at 844-LIL-MOMS. We are loving the voicemails you all are sending. Keep those bad boys going and buy the merch. Like subscribe, review, do all that shit. Wash your ass even if you don't put on sunscreen. Wash your ass or move. Oh like move out of. Yeah, move from where you live and start afresh cause you stink so much that people are starting rumors about it.

[Zainab Johnson]

It's not as fun when you say the whole sorry, is this because of the tanning thing?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I didn't like how you made me feel. Bye Bitch. My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and I Heart Podcast, created and hosted by Langston Kerman co hosted by David.

[Zainab Johnson]

Bore executive produced by Will Ferrell Hansani.

[Langston Kerman]

And Olivia Aguilar co produced by Bay.

[Zainab Johnson]

Win Wayne edited and engineered by Justin K. Music by Nick Chambers artwork by Dogon Krieger.

[Langston Kerman]

You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube, follow at my Mama Told Me and subscribe to our channel.

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