Delivert: We Solved Barbershop Homophobia (with Dewayne Perkins)

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Delivert: We Solved Barbershop Homophobia"

My Momma Told Me
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie
Guest: Dewayne Perkins
Release Date: October 28, 2025

Episode Overview

In this lively and insightful episode of "My Momma Told Me," comedians Langston Kerman and David Gborie are joined by the hilarious and sharp Dewayne Perkins (comedian, writer, actor known for "The Blackening" and more) for a deep dive into the Black barbershop: why homophobia persists in that space, whether it’s solvable, and how the hyper-masculine rituals of the barbershop shape Black male identity and intimacy. The group explores personal stories, Black “conspiracy theories,” masculinity, economic realities, and, of course, some wild banter about haircuts, childhood traumas, and being “fresh.” Dewayne proposes both a social critique and a path to evolution for the barbershop.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Black Barbershop and Homophobia

(18:10 – 22:38)

• Dewayne’s Theory: "Barbers have to be homophobic." He describes barbershop homophobia as both a norm and survival tactic within an intimate, masculine space.
  • Quote: “Barbershops, like football teams and churches, are the most homoerotic spaces…so you have to have homophobia as a counter. If it’s not there, I think then they will all turn gay.” —Dewayne Perkins (20:26)
• Observation: The barbershop involves unique intimacy—facial touching, proximity—which straight men rarely experience from other men, leading to both camaraderie and awkward, defensive banter.
• Comedy ensues as the trio discuss “fitting in” by pretending interest in stereotypically straight topics or activities, and feigning homophobia to maintain social status in the shop.

2. Hypermasculinity, Role Play, and Rituals

(20:43 – 23:48; 55:22 – 56:16)

• The hosts note barbershops demand ritual performances of masculinity, ironically rendering them “very gay” in terms of intimacy and grooming obsession.
  • Quote: “If the homophobia wasn’t there, it would be a bathhouse.” —Dewayne Perkins (22:33)
• Dewayne points out the double standards: the real “gayest thing” Black men do is their near-religious devotion to hair care and aesthetics.
  • Quote: “We kind of mask [lack of bravery] in this constant need to have an aesthetic—not knowing that’s actually the gayest thing you could do.” (55:41)

3. Can Barbershop Homophobia Be Solved?

(35:38 – 44:43)

• Dewayne floats a bold solution: letting more men “experiment sexually, so they know if they like it or not,” reducing homophobic anxiety.
  • Quote: “If you just try some gay shit and really don’t like it, then you can kind of just sit in that…. It’s not that deep.” (36:18)
• The “Kissing Booth” Proposal: David jokes about a barbershop certification requiring kissing a man (37:15).
• The group debates whether barbershops can lead such social evolution; Langston is skeptical, David sees it as a conversation equalizer.
• Dewayne shares hope from a recent barbershop exchange that shut down classist comments but acknowledges anti-vax and other conspiracies proliferate, showing both growth and limits.

4. The Economic Reality & Power Structures of the Barbershop

(50:00 – 53:03)

• The escalating cost of haircuts and lack of industrial regulation is a hot topic.
  • Quote: “Appointments at Black barbershops are general guidelines… The prices are getting out of control.” —Langston (48:31, 49:59)
• All share frustration at “time bandit” barbers—phone distractions, excessive conversation, lateness—and the rising complexity of services and add-ons.
• Langston fantasizes about a “Starbucks of barbershops”: standardized, affordable, and less chaos.

5. The Psychology of Freshness and Repetition

(53:28 – 56:16)

• Black men’s high frequency of cuts may fuel barber power and shop dynamics.
  • Quote: “If they know you are coming back—supply and demand—the demand is too high so they don’t have to change the prices… That’s why there’s so much pressure on starting a new [barber] relationship.” —Langston (53:50)
• Dewayne suggests real bravery would be being okay with “being a little ugly for a little bit,” subverting the endless drive for grooming.

6. Simulation Conspiracies, True Power, and Society

(68:01 – 78:52)

• Listener voicemail introduces a “real life simulation” theory—an elite few tweak social/programmatic “dominoes”—sparking a Matrix-themed tangent.
• The hosts riff on politicians as “bad guy Neos and Morpheuses,” discuss whether the “simulation overlords” are obsessed with the next human evolution, and connect this mindset to unchecked capitalism and AI development.
  • Quote, Dewayne: “They are trying to get to the point of—what is the limit of human nature? Because they’re at the pinnacle and they get to decide…what else is there?” (77:27)
• Brief, thoughtful digression on survival, immortality, and compassion (“I used to try to stop killing bugs, thinking about the human experience…at what point do you start to dictate what life is important and what isn’t?” —Dewayne, 79:48)

7. Playful, Personal & Comic Moments

• Stories of Childhood Hair Trauma: David recalls his mother copying his haircut, only for disaster to strike at Supercuts. (26:03–31:01)
• Accutane & Dermatologists: An extended and funny aside about skin struggles, toxic medication, and the status symbol of a good dermatologist. (12:05–16:40)
• Light-Skinned Men & Acne: Langston posits (jokingly) that acne is a uniquely “light-skinned man’s burden,” leading to a very tongue-in-cheek, mock-medical debate about melanin and skin problems. (14:33–15:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Ritual Homophobia:
  • “You have to have homophobia as a counter. If it’s not there…I think they will all turn gay.” —Dewayne Perkins (20:51)
• On Intimacy:
  • “There’s not many environments where a man is touching your face whose dick is kind of, like, rubbing against you…” —Dewayne Perkins (21:10)
• On Class Solidarity:
  • “One guy made a joke about poor people…and the barbershop was like, that’s not funny. This isn’t…shut your ass up that way. Moments later, they were talking about how vaccines aren’t real. And I was like, we’re so close.” —Dewayne (39:56)
• On Self-Awareness and Freshness:
  • “If you was brave, you could handle being a little ugly for a little bit…We kind of mask that in this constant need to have an aesthetic; that’s actually the gayest thing you could do.” —Dewayne (55:22)
• Meta-Joke About Scheming for Barber Appointments:
  • “You’re just trying to get an appointment. You’re trying to go every five days. That’s what this all is…devil work.” —Langston (59:48, 60:06)
• On Standardizing the Barbershop:
  • “We need Starbucks…of barbershops. A Black barbershop. Set price everywhere.” —Langston (52:29)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction, banter, and health care in Black communities — 02:10–12:03
• Accutane, dermatology, skin color and acne jokes — 12:03–17:00
• Dewayne’s barbershop homophobia conspiracy introduced — 18:10
• Barbershop rituals, intimacy, and masculinity — 20:26–23:48
• Childhood haircut stories — 26:03–31:01
• Can barbershops lead social change? — 35:38–44:43
• Economic and social realities of the barbershop ("time bandits," rising prices) — 47:46–53:03
• Frequency of Black men’s haircuts, power dynamics — 53:28–56:16
• Meta-analysis: Why are we so obsessed with staying “fresh”? — 55:22+
• Listener voicemail: Simulation conspiracy and Matrix discussion — 68:01–78:52
• Closing, “villain energy,” and Dewayne’s alpha manipulations — 82:52–83:44

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Conclusion

This episode is a fast-moving, hilarious, and honest analysis of barbershop culture as a microcosm of Black masculinity, stigma, and community. Dewayne Perkins brings both humor and sharp critique, playfully exposing the contradictions of Black male spaces and pushing the hosts toward genuine, sometimes uncomfortable, self-reflection.

The episode’s tone is irreverent, conspiratorial, and intimate—perfect for fans who love their “conspiracy theories” served with a side of real talk and wild laughter.

“If you just try some gay shit and really don’t like it, then you can kind of just sit in that…it’s not that deep.” — Dewayne Perkins (36:18)

“The barbershop is very gay. And so that goes back to being like, this is a, like, typically gay experience we are trying to pretend is something else.” — Dewayne Perkins (55:52)

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Transcript

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Dwayne Perkins]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Dwayne Perkins]

It's gonna.

[Langston Kerman]

Or it's gonna be disappointing. That's really the worry.

[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And the results would be the same.

[Langston Kerman]

People die.

[Dwayne Perkins]

People gonna die.

[Langston Kerman]

People gonna die.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

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[Dwayne Perkins]

That's.

[Langston Kerman]

Fuck, yeah.

[David Bore]

Because all they're both just being like, man, we should all just be eating good fruits and vegetables.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's how they draw you in.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

But then they're also like, potatoes cure cancer. And you're like, hold on. I don't know, big dog. Cause, like, I trust Western medicine. That sounds crazy to say. I don't trust doctors, but the medicine they got.

[David Bore]

But see, what I think turns into this dangerous thing with them is that they introduce the premise of, like, this pure lifestyle in which you can turn potatoes into a disease curing element. Whereas, like, we have so many impurities already in our system that we. The potato just ain't gonna do potato shit for us until we get fully alkaline and, like. And step into the Sebi sphere. And I think RFK is doing the shit. He's just doing it with, like, on a grander scale. He's like, the color inside of Froot Loops is killing y'. All. And if we could just make Froot Loops fucking tan, then. Then we can heal all disease. You don't need that vaccine, brother. You don't need to take that medication.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Which doesn't make the most sense. Cause he's talking about like the capabilities but not access to execution.

[Langston Kerman]

Right?

[Dwayne Perkins]

So where it's like, this is a thing that can happen. It will not happen in your lifetime. No, no, no, it won't.

[David Bore]

And in fact, I'm a really big fan of a dude who's planning to make them more colorful. Like, if he had it, he would be like, nah, make them shits glow. Yeah, I don't give a fuck what happens in Fruit Loops.

[Dwayne Perkins]

It's like, potatoes can cure cancer, but you will not have money to buy potatoes.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. N. And the potatoes the government gonna give you. They ain't gonna care shit. That's not the ones that's gonna help you.

[Langston Kerman]

It was just crazy because you don't think about like, quacks really scare me, man.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like quack doctor, like Dr. Oz and that shit. That's like, that's almost more harmful than politicians. Cause a lot of people don't believe politicians. Off the rip. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Most people believe doctors.

[David Bore]

Yeah, doctors.

[Langston Kerman]

Oprah brings them in.

[David Bore]

Doctors had a good run.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I've had.

[David Bore]

I think we're out of the doctor era.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Once a doctor gets on tv, that's an actor, don't trust him. Why you on tv? Go be in an office.

[David Bore]

You should not be here.

[Langston Kerman]

You had a good job.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You had to be forward facing. You're trying to be talent. No.

[David Bore]

You have a lot of patients in your waiting room. What are you doing here?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

Also, if your doctor. Your first name. No, no, no. Dr. Drew.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's branding. You are a product, Dr. Esther.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

You're trying to be that substitute teacher who turns his chair around and it's like, nope, no, no, no. You're not a friend of mine.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You got your knee. That's what you're doing.

[Langston Kerman]

I need you to be doctor. Indian last name. Yeah. Or whoever you go to.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I just came from my doctor and he is of that ilk. Ok? And I said shout out. Trust you.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey.

[David Bore]

Shout out to Indian doctors. We've all experienced it and we've all, I think, for the most part, enjoyed them.

[Langston Kerman]

I got two going crazy. I told. I've been talking about it.

[David Bore]

Yeah. No, you're bragging. You've been bragging.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I gave you his number. I don't even be doing That I don't know if he has, like, a black quota.

[David Bore]

You're just trying to be a referral for a good guy.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's nice and wholesome.

[Langston Kerman]

It is. It's really sweet.

[David Bore]

He was like, when was the last time you got a checkup? I was like, I don't know. He was like, come on, guy.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I got a guy.

[Langston Kerman]

And it was mostly vanity for me having a doctor.

[David Bore]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

And because for many years, I was quite the opposite.

[David Bore]

I'll be real. And it felt like a flex because I've lived in Los Angeles much longer than you now, and I have a lot of responsibilities. You do. And I do not have a consistent relationship with. I have a. A primary care physician, but it's not a man I care about or necessarily trust. It is just a dude I found and was like, yeah, I guess.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It upset me when you said. Because I was. I thought you probably had a good doctor.

[Dwayne Perkins]

No, same because of insurance and, like, job. Like, I don't.

[David Bore]

It's. It's not a question of money. It's not an issue of access. It is purely a issue of me not investing enough in me. And that's where the embarrassment lives. Just lazy.

[Langston Kerman]

A little bit. Slow. Slow, though.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Slowly, slowly.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Justify some of these choices.

[Langston Kerman]

It's like smoking cigarettes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

Some people smoke cigarettes. I myself just sort of find the first guy on ZOCDOC and go, my boy.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's like a thing, though, with, like, black men, Right? That's like a stereotype that black men don't like doctors.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I don't think it's hysteria. It's true, right?

[David Bore]

It's not even that I don't like them. I have a lot of them in my family, weirdly. But I just don't think they're gonna do nothing.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. That's how I'd be feeling, too.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think that's like, the general thing.

[David Bore]

Yeah. And that's not a healthy approach.

[Dwayne Perkins]

What that doctor gonna do? Probably something you can't.

[Langston Kerman]

That's how I feel. My shit'll be hurting, and my girl tell me to go to the doctor. I'm like, okay. So he could what? Yeah, so he could what? Yeah. And then you go in there and he's like, oh, you have a hernia.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Something you could not have diagnosed.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

All right, all right.

[David Bore]

That's not gonna suck back in Playboy. You gotta figure this out.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think I talked to my doctor too much. He actually told me, like, you have to stop talking to me. Whoa. Every ailment I'm just like, hey, no.

[Langston Kerman]

Good for you.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I got checked for breast cancer not too long ago. Cause there was a little lump in my. No, we could do that. I get checked for everything. Oh, my goodness. And he was like, I just think that's his problem.

[David Bore]

I'll check myself before I wreck myself.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Exactly. And he was like, no, you don't have it. And I said, give me the test. If I have insurance, I'm going to just use it. I go to the dentist too much. I'm going to use it. Oh, good for you.

[Langston Kerman]

See, that's where I gotta get.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You have to find everything that your insurance can get you. A nutritionist, like, all kinds of things. I'm just like, can I have it? Yeah, yeah, just get it. And it made my life better.

[David Bore]

Nutritionists are covered under SAG and or wga. Yes. Whoa, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

No, our health. It goes far.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yes, it goes far.

[Langston Kerman]

It does go far.

[David Bore]

You could get.

[Langston Kerman]

You need surgery.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

Got you.

[David Bore]

I'm about to get a nutrition.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I got sunglasses.

[David Bore]

Sunglasses.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I get free sunglasses every year.

[David Bore]

Press a button, city boss.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I went to my javatris and I said, jake the eyes. And they said, you get free sunglasses. I got some razor bands. They were cute.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn.

[Dwayne Perkins]

There's so many things.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn.

[David Bore]

Hey, let's talk off microphone. Dwayne, I think. I think we got a few things.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's get a doctor co op going. We.

[David Bore]

And by co op, you are the leader of this operation because he got some things. I think you're really on to something here. Our guest today.

[Langston Kerman]

I want a skin doctor.

[David Bore]

Oh, a dermatologist.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't even think we could do that.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Are you joking? I literally, I. They are the best.

[David Bore]

That one I do know. And I. I needed it bad, so.

[Langston Kerman]

I. Oh, because you had acne though, right?

[David Bore]

I had pretty severe, like, cystic acne. And then the Accutane, which.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Shout out to Accutane on Accutane right now.

[David Bore]

Are you on Accutane?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Terrible medicine. Beautiful for the skin. Fantastic.

[David Bore]

Brother. I always call Accutane brother.

[Langston Kerman]

It is.

[David Bore]

It is poison. It is the rawest poison they can serve to the human body before you turn into dust. It is absolute poison. Oh, no. But it is godsend.

[Langston Kerman]

Are you serious? Like, it's like that.

[David Bore]

What is this?

[Dwayne Perkins]

One of my friends who's a nurse, she was like, like, you. We use this for, like, cancer. Like, this is, like, really strong. You. You have to get monthly blood tests because every pill has, like a pregnant lady on it. Being like, don't get Pregnant. It will deform your baby.

[David Bore]

Please don't fucking intake this shit. Please.

[Dwayne Perkins]

It's like proven like your child, like 100% will be disabled. Like, it has pictures of like a baby with like the head. Like, it's. And it's a lot worse for women.

[David Bore]

So it actually doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt us that much.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't usually like to double up, but.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Shout out to big man.

[Langston Kerman]

It's nuts.

[David Bore]

It's really crazy, but man, it does it. It's like the only. Until. Until. Until all like the. The recent. What's the shit that everybody's on?

[Langston Kerman]

Tylenol?

[David Bore]

No.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Ozempic.

[David Bore]

Ozempic. Until the Ozempic craze, Accutane was like the only drug that I knew of where everybody was just in agreement. It is a cure for the ailment you have.

[Langston Kerman]

Do you still take. You have to take it forever.

[David Bore]

No, you can't take it past like six months or it will kill you.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I would say this is my second time doing it because I did it the first time and. Great. And then like years later, I just got acne when I was in New York not too long ago. And it was because I was like doing 75 hard, and I accidentally did like a keto diet and was like in like ketosis in a way that I wasn't supposed to. So my skin like flared up. So I went to my dermatologist and they were like, we could give you like topical stuff or you can just take Accutane again. And then your chances of getting acne ever again is like 98% or something. That's just like. It changes the DNA, like in your body.

[David Bore]

No, it's truly changed.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's why it's so bad.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. And you're a little darker than most acne sufferers. Cause it's the light man's burden.

[David Bore]

Whoa.

[Langston Kerman]

This is.

[David Bore]

This is a nasty revelation. I don't know that to be true.

[Langston Kerman]

That more light skinned guys have acne than dark skinned guys.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Is that why your skin's so nice?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Cause I was looking, I was like, damn, this skin. Nice.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't.

[David Bore]

You're not gonna stand up?

[Dwayne Perkins]

I mean, I wanna hear more. Huh. This theory seems like it may have legs.

[David Bore]

Wait a minute.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, it's only a light skinned ailment. No, no, but it's mostly.

[Dwayne Perkins]

It's just. It's.

[David Bore]

It's.

[Langston Kerman]

There's more than.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah, because there's like a lot of like melanin and stuff.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no, no, no.

[David Bore]

Let's go. That was some fake ass doctors. That was some doctor.

[Dwayne Perkins]

No, no.

[David Bore]

You're over here trying to be RFK on me and. No, I'm not doing that.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't know nothing about this.

[David Bore]

Melanin ain't got shit to do with acne. It does.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's because hyperpigmentation.

[David Bore]

Yes, but that's what you're talking about, is it showing up. That's not the actual, like, acne itself.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm just saying you boys can't hurt me, okay?

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

I'm not.

[David Bore]

You can't hurt me.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't have acne now.

[David Bore]

Because of a medication that I'm fairly certain made it so I'll never touch my toes again.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think it changes your bone.

[David Bore]

It's really. I think I'm.

[Dwayne Perkins]

It's pretty bad.

[David Bore]

I think there's gonna be more diarrhea than there was supposed to be. Moving forward because of the medication I took. But that is the way of my life.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I would say, like Accutane gave me one of the most horrifying experiences. Cause it makes you very dry. And this one time I forgot to moisturize before going to sleep. And I woke up the next morning and I yawned. And because I opened my mouth, the corners of my mouth just like all cracked.

[David Bore]

Oh.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And I was still bleeding. And I said, damn. Beauty is pain.

[David Bore]

But the skin.

[Langston Kerman]

Glowing, Glowing.

[David Bore]

That was great.

[Langston Kerman]

You moisturize before you go to sl.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Before. Like, I have to moisturize a lot.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

Really?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I only. I moisturize after I get out the shower.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I'm a. I'm a morning moisturizer.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I do it in the morning and at night.

[Langston Kerman]

And then I got a little pad. I do like every other day.

[David Bore]

Our guest today is glowing.

[Langston Kerman]

You want to get off that big acne top?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Light skinned man's burden.

[David Bore]

I hate. But I still have to do business with you today.

[Langston Kerman]

How about that?

[David Bore]

I'll complete the job today and then we'll figure something else out because you're being nasty. That said, our guest today.

[Langston Kerman]

Watch me slip the word gorilla later in this interview. It's about to happen.

[David Bore]

You monkeys acting an absolute fool. Ooga booga, ooga booga.

[Langston Kerman]

Ee ah ah.

[David Bore]

I guess the day is great. Hilarious comedian. A talent of all kinds. Acting, writing, telling the jokes, all that shit. You know him from the blackening. His own film. You know him from. From the studio. The goddamn hit the studio. Dwayne Perkins, everybody.

[Langston Kerman]

How did you get here? I took the bus. Nobody supposed to be here. Well, bitch, I can't Go.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Nice. Yeah. Thank you. Beautiful intro. Thanks for having me.

[Langston Kerman]

Thanks for being here. Thanks for coming.

[David Bore]

We've talked a lot of shit already, but you came with a conspiracy theory that I think is only going to open this shit talking world up even more. You said, my mama told me.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Barbers.

[David Bore]

Have to be homophobic. You only get a taste. We don't have no actual pussy pop in here.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Bring it down. Cause I was about my ass cheek went, ooh.

[David Bore]

I really guess that song is longer. It is.

[Langston Kerman]

I've heard it.

[Dwayne Perkins]

But yes, that is true. And I think it's true. Tell us all the years that I've been to barbershops. I think barbers have to be homophobic.

[David Bore]

You.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, ours are, but we still want to hear.

[David Bore]

Yeah. You. You have had about how many barbers do you think in your life?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Oh, boy. Probably upwards of like 20, 30.

[David Bore]

Whoa.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Cause I like, lived. Like, I've moved around.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

So it's just been like a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

You get your hair braided in a barbershop or a salon?

[Dwayne Perkins]

No, usually a woman does my braiding.

[Langston Kerman]

Thank God. Like how they have the woman in the barbershop who's braiding?

[Dwayne Perkins]

No, I usually, like. It's usually in a salon.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And then I go get like a lineup.

[David Bore]

Oh, you go to separate businesses.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah. I can only have so much homophobia in my life.

[Langston Kerman]

This guy's living. He got dermatologists, he got two people who do his hair.

[David Bore]

He do two stops in the day just to get that all done.

[Dwayne Perkins]

It's about vibes.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta love it.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Have the right vibe. But yeah, I think barbershops are like, historically 30 barbers.

[David Bore]

20 to 30 barbers you've had in your life. And you would say almost all of them, if not all of them home, homophobic.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Absolutely.

[David Bore]

Holy shit.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Or at least feigning.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, right, right. Which we've all done in the barbershop.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah. Oh, I fit in same. I just like those heads.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I love pregnant pussy. It's best.

[David Bore]

Yeah, man. I can't wait to try it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I saw the fight.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I be pretending to understand football. I don't know a goddamn thing, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, damn, the l.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I would say barbershops are similar. Cause I played football in high school, and I think they're similar. And why homophobia is so random. I think that barbershops, like football teams and churches, are the most homoerotic spaces.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I'd say that's very fair. Yeah, I'd say that's very fair.

[Dwayne Perkins]

So you have to have homophobia as, like, a counter.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

If it's not there, I think then they will all turn gay.

[David Bore]

Oh, you're saying that the intimacy of the barbershop would make it such that without, like, the buffer of a dude being like, I fucking hate gay people, I might enjoy his touch too much and find myself.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Absolutely. Cause there's not many environments where a man is touching your face whose dick is kind of, like, rubbing against you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

In your eyes. It is very.

[David Bore]

It's the closest I've ever let a man.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I told you. I took a white. White guy to my barbershop one time.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And afterwards, he was like, I never had. He was like. He was like, I never. I know a man has never, like, touched me. And I don't even think. You know what I mean? He was, like, surprised. You know what I mean?

[David Bore]

And yesterday, the way you tell that story, I always picture him turning down the radio. You know what I mean? Like, y' all are driving together and. And he's like, hey, can we talk? And then he, like, turns his shit down.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think that's what the experience would be all the time.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

So they have to be like, I hate gays.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, he's just massaging your hair.

[David Bore]

And the more you.

[Langston Kerman]

You.

[David Bore]

The more you spend with time you spend with these people, the more you start to care about them, the more you sort of become invested in their life, in their relationships and who they see themselves as. And if that don't make you start to feel gay, when that man is touching.

[Dwayne Perkins]

When he lifts your chin like this.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa. That's the side of your head to, like, get the razor. Come on.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah, he's delicate.

[David Bore]

Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

Nobody touches my face that much. Nobody that I'm not having sex with.

[Dwayne Perkins]

No, Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn.

[Dwayne Perkins]

If the homophobia wasn't there, it would be a bathhouse. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn, that Atlanta. Get on it. That's what I think is gay ass barbershop. Gay ass barbershop.

[Dwayne Perkins]

There's porn, like, gay porn that's, like, in that realm.

[Langston Kerman]

Wow.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Okay. This is new to me because, like.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no.

[David Bore]

Before you tell us about the porn itself, tell us how you got there.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. What was the clique before the barbershop click?

[David Bore]

Tell us the exact steps that got us to gas barbershop porn.

[Langston Kerman]

Also, is it a parody of the movie Barbershop? Ooh.

[David Bore]

Good question. Is there a Cedric in this scenario?

[Langston Kerman]

He's just watching.

[David Bore]

That's not how we to do it.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And then there's an eve Character drinking apple juice.

[David Bore]

Just watching Michael Ealy. He busy?

[Langston Kerman]

No, he's the star. He's at that point. He's the star. He's so handsome.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think there's not a far jump from general nigadom. And when you have black men, black gay men, they get a lot of haircuts. That's true. And like I said, that intimacy is very well known. It's just not talked about among straight men. Because you can't talk about it. Cause then you might be about to and start to.

[Langston Kerman]

And we all have to shout out to Alex English, who has a bit about it. But it's like, then we all have to admit we got dick on our shoulder regular.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's tough.

[David Bore]

I don't think I've heard people talk about this a lot, but I'm curious to know if you've been privy to it. Are you privy to how barbers speak about gay men when they are either coming or going from the barbershop? What do you mean? Like, I have always heard barbers talking shit for their gay clients who then sit politely through all their homophobia in a way that I don't think often gets addressed.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, like they're talking about gay guys while cutting gay.

[David Bore]

No, I'm saying that, like, they'll see their gay client coming up and they'll be like, this gay ass nigga. And then he walks in and they're like, ah, yeah. Hey, what's up, man?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And it's. It's this almost like nasty dance that happens where it is. Everybody is sort of like serving at. We are homophobic politely with each other when it's a much more like, deep. Nah, I feel this shit. Homophobia. Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I don't think I've experienced that personally. Cause I'd be like, nigga, who the fuck you talking to?

[David Bore]

No, they don't say it to them.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh.

[David Bore]

It's always when the doors. The shop is not yet open. Oh.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think, like, that's what they like, they're making an announcement to their peers of, like, I won't be tainted.

[David Bore]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Just so y' all know, he's gay. We all know.

[Langston Kerman]

I just love money.

[David Bore]

Just so y' all know, I don't like this shit.

[Dwayne Perkins]

This is. This is not the beginning of my journey.

[David Bore]

Hey, I'm gonna touch his chin.

[Langston Kerman]

Nobody say nothing.

[Dwayne Perkins]

But in my head, if I heard that, I'd be like, that nigga's gay. You're really thinking about, like, how can I not be affected by this?

[David Bore]

Right?

[Dwayne Perkins]

I just don't think about things that, like, I don't go into a salon to get my hair braided and be like, I'm gonna leave out just craving puss. Like, yes.

[Langston Kerman]

See? And that's the difference between you and I. Mm.

[David Bore]

I do think.

[Langston Kerman]

I do.

[David Bore]

I do think if I were leaving the salon, I would be more hungry for pussy than.

[Langston Kerman]

Did you ever, like, go get.

[David Bore]

Going in.

[Langston Kerman]

Did you ever go with your mom to get her hair braided or anything like that?

[David Bore]

Yeah, quite a bit.

[Langston Kerman]

And you be in there for like six hours.

[David Bore]

It's a bummer. Terrible time. It's a real bummer.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a specific smell.

[David Bore]

One time. This is maybe one of my most traumatic childhood memories, but one time I came home from Detroit and my cousin was a barber and he cut my hair. Cool. For the first time. My mom had been cutting my hair up to this point, and she was not nailing it.

[Langston Kerman]

I had to run like that too.

[David Bore]

Yeah. It was just what she could do and she didn't. She didn't study nothing. It was a lot of bowl cut ass energy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Yeah. Nothing on the side.

[David Bore]

So on the side did it get better. She wasn't working on it as a skill at all. This was purely a choice of function and not a man in the household. So here we go.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Bore]

I'm not about to sit down in a barbershop, so you. This what you gonna get till you figure out this is a mistake. That was the energy. But my cousin cut my hair one summer, and I came back with a fly ass haircut, and my mom liked it so much that she wanted the same haircut. So my mom.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I did not think that was gonna happen.

[Langston Kerman]

That's a nightmare.

[David Bore]

I swear to God. I'm boiling as I'm telling you.

[Langston Kerman]

Right?

[David Bore]

It's so traumatic for me. My mom wanted the same haircut, and then she went to, like, fucking supercuts to get the same haircut because she just didn't know where else to go for the shit and went to, like, a local ass whatever and asked them to do this haircut on a black woman's hair. And then they did bad.

[Langston Kerman]

Of course they did.

[David Bore]

They fucked it up bad. And then she called me over because she's already yelling at them. She's already cussing them out. And then she called me over to be like, how does it look? No, how does it. Tell me what you think of this.

[Langston Kerman]

How old are you?

[David Bore]

I'm like eight.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that's. This is a hard memory, bro.

[David Bore]

I didn't know That I could say anything bad in front of an adult who tried.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

So I went, it's fine.

[Langston Kerman]

And what'd she say to you?

[David Bore]

She cussed me the fuck out in front of the man because the man needed to know that he did a bad job.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yes. And you did not support her.

[David Bore]

I didn't hold.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You're on the side of the man.

[David Bore]

I got a friend in this village. I think about it so much.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, this is.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Dang. Y' all set each other up.

[David Bore]

And shame on you for shaming me. History will remain. Remember your choice. You're a nasty person. History will remember you this way. I was a. I was a victim. There was no other version of this. I had been getting ass haircut after ass haircut after ass haircut. So much so that my cousin, who's not a barber for real, he just knows how to cut hair. Made me look like a halfway decent person.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And then she wanted to replicate that and then got mad at me only.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Cause you lied to her face.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't.

[David Bore]

I was. I was a victim.

[Dwayne Perkins]

She said, how does look? You already saw she was mad. She cursed. You saw it. It looked like your haircut, but it.

[David Bore]

Looked like all the haircuts I had up to that point.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, so you were like, that's a good.

[David Bore]

It was.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You said, this is what you deserve.

[Langston Kerman]

This is karma, yo. You are making him the villain a little bit. That's crazy.

[David Bore]

You're a bad person. I regret inviting you here.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I'm just saying I understand. Your mother's partner.

[David Bore]

I thought I could open up and share something truly true about myself. And Dwayne said, how about we reinterpret this history?

[Dwayne Perkins]

He said, maybe you should free yourself from the narrative that you've created.

[David Bore]

Whoa.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And adopt this other one to really re. So that it's not as traumatizing.

[David Bore]

You're saying that my Holocaust didn't have 6 million hair follicles the way I claim?

[Langston Kerman]

No. I'm gonna step in. I think you're both playing a dirty game.

[David Bore]

This feels wild to me. I'm in so much pain.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Did you learn something from that moment? Did you keep lying to people's faces about their appearances?

[David Bore]

I will say that I certainly did grow from that moment. And I don't think that that growth was intentional, But I do think that I found growth inside of that moment. And I imagine the hurt that you're causing me now I'll similarly grow from. But I don't think that that makes what you're doing okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I definitely think you were a victim.

[David Bore]

Go on.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think victims can also victimize hurt people.

[Langston Kerman]

Hurt people.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Mm. Bad haircuts create bad haircuts.

[Langston Kerman]

But you were a child and she was an adult.

[David Bore]

Let's take a break. Let's take a break. I think everybody just needs a cool down moment. I think everybody could use a laugh. We're gonna take a break. We're gonna be back.

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[David Bore]

I turned off news altogether.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I hate to say it, but I.

[Langston Kerman]

Don'T trust much of anything. It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Dwayne Perkins]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

Nigga, I created you, nigga. Well, God created you.

[Langston Kerman]

But I helped and I helped us bring back this show that really felt.

[David Bore]

Like something my mom would say.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I feel like my mother also done that.

[Langston Kerman]

Do white kids get that I made you speech? I don't think they do.

[David Bore]

What do you mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Like the, like, I brought you in this world, I could take you out. I never heard of a white person talk about anything like that.

[David Bore]

Oh, you're saying that the way he was speaking to his child is not the way that white people do it?

[Langston Kerman]

No, I mean, he wasn't speaking to a child, but like, I mean, in general.

[David Bore]

But you're saying. Are you talking about Thug specifically or are you talking about like the Cosby version of this?

[Langston Kerman]

The Cosby version of it.

[David Bore]

I got you. He was speaking to Theo.

[Langston Kerman]

No, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think that. I don't think white parents say that. Oh, I don't know.

[David Bore]

My dad never said it to me. No, No. A white parent you got secretly tucked away.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Your daddy white?

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Oh, I just thought you was light skinned. Yeah.

[David Bore]

No. Yeah. Yep.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I have to leave.

[David Bore]

Damn, my car.

[Langston Kerman]

You do feel like you have like a Caribbean flavor to you.

[David Bore]

And I've really been riding that for some time. I really. I ain't rushing to expose all my secrets, you know, when I sit down with people.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, you passed the paper bag test. It's good enough for me.

[David Bore]

Hey, hey. We all got Shane. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Not me. You got two doctors. He's fine.

[David Bore]

Yeah, this man worked it out via his insurance. Dwayne, do you think there is anything we can do about the homophobia in a black barbershop? Is this in any way a solvable problem? Yes. Whoa.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think that we have to let more men experiment sexually so then they can know if they actually really like it or not. So they don't have to fight so hard to guess. Cause I think there's a lot of men who are like, adamant about, like fighting homophobia because of the fear that they might be gay.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Dwayne Perkins]

But if you just try some gay shit and really don't like it, then you can kind of just sit in that. Sit in that. Then you have some assuredness of just like, oh, I don't like that, but you experienced it, so you know that, like, oh, it's not that deep. So then you can just like, move on like a normal human. Similar. If you ate, like, some kind of food you don't like, you're just like, oh, I don't like that food. I'm not gonna eat that again.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, I think it's not as similar as we're talking.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Why not?

[Langston Kerman]

I think you have to be a lot braver to try to experiment sexually than you do to, like, just like we're talking about right now. Just in the world is how it is. I think that's what it is, is like. Like, people don't have the bravery to experiment sexually.

[David Bore]

But to this point, what if, as part of your barbershop certification, they just set up a nigga kissing booth right at the end and that certificate's right on the other side of it? Go ahead, kiss that man real quick. See if you feel that. And then now you can go to the world. Now you can be a barber.

[Langston Kerman]

Just make out with this dude.

[David Bore]

You just gotta kiss this man and see if that's something.

[Langston Kerman]

And then all your dreams will come true.

[David Bore]

And you can feel, however you feel about it, like, we will make space for you to say all the F bombs, all the nastiness that you feel.

[Langston Kerman]

Afterwards if you're really that mad, if.

[David Bore]

That'S really who you are. Yeah, but I bet to your point, more people would just sort of be like, oh, that's not for me. I'm good.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I watched a video. I forgot what YouTube channel it was on, but it was just like straight man kissing. Just be like, oh, we got like a group of straight men. Just be like, hey, kiss each other and see how that feels. And they were like, yeah, I've never kissed a man. And then they did and they were like, like, oh, yeah, okay. Like, man, it's really not that deep. Yeah, no, if you don't like it, you just kind of not going to do it again.

[David Bore]

Yeah, okay. He didn't get my soul. Oh, I thought. I thought it would be like kissing a dementor. Never mind.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Oh, it's kind of like kissing a girl. I just feel less. And me being like, yes.

[Langston Kerman]

That'S reasonable. That's reasonable.

[David Bore]

That's.

[Langston Kerman]

That's. That's.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

So, yeah, I think it's like exposure therapy.

[David Bore]

Okay. And do you think that that exposure therapy is something that we are going to have to resolve on a larger societal level before we can get to the barbershop? Or is the barbershop the source of this transformation.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh. Like, I don't know if I feel like the barbershop is ahead in anything. So shock.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think it can be.

[David Bore]

I disagree.

[Langston Kerman]

Really, I do.

[David Bore]

I think it's so.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, it is like a free flow.

[David Bore]

Of ideas, and it's so equalizing in terms of status. Right. Like, that's the whole game. Is that, like, the richest dude and the poorest dude still gotta get the cut. Yeah. All gotta get cut. And they gotta wait their turn in, you know, some regard.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I just had an experience at a barbershop maybe a couple weeks ago.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Where they were all talking about. A guy was talking about, like, washing clothes. And he lived in an apartment building where he said that he, like, washes the washing machine before he puts his clothes in. Like, he, like, wipes it out.

[David Bore]

Oh, okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And people were like, why would you do that?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, it's a community laundry.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And he was like. Cause I don't know. People. Like, who else is doing laundry? Like, I don't know, like, what's in their clothes? Like, kind of gross. And they were like, well, the washing machine is a washing machine. It should wash itself. Which seemed like a very regular conversation. Just me being like, okay, yeah, I was not participating. Cause I did not care.

[David Bore]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And then one guy made a joke about poor people.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Cause a guy made a comment like, oh, I would just get my laundry cleaned or folded. I would just go to a wash and fold. And then another guy made a comment about, like, oh, you hate poor. Something about poor people. And the guy was like, that's the most ignorant shit I've ever heard. And then the barbershop was like, that's not funny. This isn't like.

[David Bore]

This is.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Why would you try to dog people who don't have stuff? And I was like, oh, wow, that's beautiful. And they all kind of told this one guy, like, oh, no, that's not. Shut your ass up that way. And then moments later, they were talking about how vaccines aren't real. And I was like, we're so close.

[David Bore]

We're so close.

[Dwayne Perkins]

But that moment did give me hope. And I was like, oh, this is nice. There is, I think, if enough people, whoever is kind of the leading dominant force in the barbershop. I think if they initiate kind of a movement that people would get on board.

[Langston Kerman]

There are alphas in the barbershop.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Right?

[Langston Kerman]

Or the head. Like, the person who drives the conversation.

[David Bore]

Yeah. There's certainly the person that, like, when they show up, everybody knows when they talk and chill.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

And if they're not talking, y' all go ahead. Y' all have your fun. But, like, let that motherfucker get his shit off. Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I definitely feel like there's, like, a capitalistic aspect to it. I feel like of the shop has a certain point of view. People are more likely to acquiesce. Cause they need a job.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

They got like.

[Dwayne Perkins]

They're like, hey, this is what we're doing in here. People will probably just, like, adopt that so they can keep that chair. So they can, like. That's a lot of jobs. It's just been like, how can I make the boss like me?

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And barbershop owners hang out. You ever been to a barbershop where, like, my last shop was like that, where the owner did not cut a lot, but he was always in there. Oh, he was hanging out. Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah. He's just like, I just wanna ste.

[David Bore]

Y' all cutting heads.

[Langston Kerman]

He would always, like, buy shit from the crackheads.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Or give him money to clean up. But he'd be like, leave the door open.

[David Bore]

He just. He. He. What he wants to be is sort of like a general manager.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's like Rocky when he owned that restaurant, coming in, shaking everybody's hand.

[Dwayne Perkins]

He's building community.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Shout out to John John.

[David Bore]

Shout out to John John. So. So. So you do believe that the barbershop can be the source? You think that this is potentially a future for us?

[Dwayne Perkins]

I do. I feel like it's like a hub of masculinity. And a lot of men kind of go there to validate their masculinity. So if the barbershop start to define what masculinity is, I think that could spread.

[David Bore]

Here's my worry. And this isn't to refute it, because I like what you're saying. But there's a part of me that worries that this is just going to push out a bunch of old niggas that ain't gonna get along. And they will form their own sort of, like, coalition, as it were, their tea party of sort of hate. Thus turning the barbershop into sort of like a liberal. You know what I mean? Representation, which makes it then corny and not. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's going to lose its power by being sort of forced against a more conservative base.

[Langston Kerman]

Sorry, that's a lot to take in. There's a lot to take in. I didn't think this was gonna get this deep, this episode, but that is.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I mean, I Would just say, like, don't be corny. Don't do that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I don't think that has to be like the greatest thing.

[David Bore]

No.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I don't even think like. Like gay men care as much. Just like, you don't have to change everything. Just don't be homophobic.

[David Bore]

It's like, pretty.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Like, you don't have to make that like, this is the non homophobic barbershop.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[David Bore]

It doesn't have to be a part of the brand in order to just.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Shut the fuck up.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah. And if you have a thought, keep it to yourself.

[David Bore]

And that's. That's the part.

[Langston Kerman]

Cause why you telling me?

[David Bore]

That's really the difference in homophobia that I think so many homophobes don't understand is like, oh, know you. You could have that. Just chill.

[Dwayne Perkins]

True. I hate a lot of stuff.

[David Bore]

Put it in your pocket. I just don't say it all.

[Langston Kerman]

That's true. That's true. Are you chatty at the barbershop, though?

[Dwayne Perkins]

In general, I don't talk. I barely talk to the barber.

[Langston Kerman]

Same, same, same, same.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I just don't. I don't really get anything from it. Like, if there's something I feel like I need to say, I will. But generally the conversation is not like, stimulating in a way to where I'm like, I gotta give my take.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I laugh. I laugh a lot at the barbershop.

[David Bore]

Duh.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I shake my head a lot. Just like.

[Langston Kerman]

That'S really all you can do. That's all the dissent you can have. Sometimes.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah, I'm More sound effects where I would just be like, oh, interesting. But like a full take. Cause like, if I'm hearing the takes, usually is a take to where I'm like, if I gave my take, you do not. You will not be able to receive it.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Dwayne Perkins]

So it doesn't. Like, there's no point in me having a side of an argument. Argue with yourself. Like, I just don't care.

[David Bore]

I treat the barbershop much like I treat improv. And I don't know how to. Yes. And them niggas. So I chill. I'll, you know, I'll run across if ever there's a moment. But like, I'm not. I don't know how to help with that.

[Langston Kerman]

It's really the smallest I ever am is in the barber chair.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Go inward.

[Langston Kerman]

You know, I really. I am not outgoing in there. Even my barber will try. Like, I got a cut yesterday and he was like, I had just caught on a trip. He was like, what was Your trip. And I was like, just off him.

[David Bore]

Bro. The anxiety I feel when a convert. When, like, my barber asks me a question, and then it becomes like a three chair convert when it bounces.

[Langston Kerman]

Because you want to keep it contained. I know what you mean. Because now I don't want you all talking about what I'm about.

[David Bore]

Talking.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Nah.

[David Bore]

And I don't want to have to keep weighing in if we're doing this and I do performance for a living. And I was like, nope. Anything past this chair is. I get stressed.

[Langston Kerman]

When he said. You hear that? He said. He said he. Blah, blah, blah. And then now it's over here.

[Dwayne Perkins]

To be honest, I would pay more for my barber to not talk.

[Langston Kerman]

It's like a lift.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Don't talk to them. Focus.

[David Bore]

I will pay more for focus. Yeah, you can talk all you want. Let's focus, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Cause now you're too deep into the conversation.

[Langston Kerman]

Now.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You didn't stop you moving your hands.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

The amount of time.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, man.

[David Bore]

My barber stops to show me something on his phone.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Boy, why is your phone out?

[Langston Kerman]

You are at work.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That shit.

[Langston Kerman]

And it's never something I want to see. It's just like a custom Jordan duffel bag.

[David Bore]

Come on.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Where?

[Langston Kerman]

He's like, no, you got to see the red one. And I'm like, yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, I can't be too mad at homophobia, because I think barbershops is where I get the most conservative as well. I'm just looking like, work boy.

[David Bore]

Yeah, do your job.

[Langston Kerman]

You ain't on time.

[David Bore]

I'm a document. You know you ain't on time, right?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Cause don't tell me be on time. And then you not on time. And then you talking. You chit chatting.

[David Bore]

Chit chatting.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I barely have hair. I get a lining and a taper, and sometimes it takes an hour. I mean, like, what you.

[Langston Kerman]

Why an hour is just the time you're gonna be in there?

[Dwayne Perkins]

This is crazy. I thought this would be shorter. Cause you don't have to cut my whole head, bro. You have to cut the edges around my head sometimes.

[David Bore]

I've been in there for two.

[Langston Kerman]

Why?

[Dwayne Perkins]

We don't have that much hair.

[David Bore]

That's crazy.

[Dwayne Perkins]

It's kind of insane. I think they would make more money if they were quicker.

[David Bore]

It's a true violence that these barbers are committing.

[Langston Kerman]

They're time bandits.

[David Bore]

They are time bandits. They are soul thiefs. They will literally take. And they know what power they hold. They know how essential their job is. And they know how fearful you are of exploring outside of wherever the fuck you are.

[Langston Kerman]

That's true. Because I am. I'm so thankful to have found him. You ever come in, like 10 minutes late and he's still cutting the other guy a hundred percent, and you're like, bro, I'm late, bro.

[David Bore]

It's my only experience. I've never had it. Not that way. There's never been once where I showed up 10 minutes late and he was like, come on, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, Never.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I got one more.

[Langston Kerman]

How? Yeah, how.

[Dwayne Perkins]

What is an appointment for?

[David Bore]

This is this. Math doesn't make sense.

[Langston Kerman]

Appointments at black barbershops are general guidelines.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah. It's just like a suggestion. And be like, be around this time.

[Langston Kerman]

Just basically come in the afternoon, come in the morning, come at night.

[David Bore]

You don't want to come when it's dark.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Not on Monday, for some reason.

[David Bore]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mondays are off for most barbers.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Why?

[David Bore]

I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know.

[David Bore]

Sunday and Monday, they don't really cut like that. Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

God.

[David Bore]

God.

[Langston Kerman]

But then what's Monday?

[David Bore]

God's friend.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Post God. Like, you really need to recover from how much holiness.

[David Bore]

You was loving on the Lord too hard. Got Lord hangover.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You got.

[Langston Kerman]

I also don't know how other barbershops work, though. Maybe that's just the hair industry.

[David Bore]

I don't know either. I wonder if it. If it almost was like, mirroring restaurants for some reason that like. Cause that's the same scheduled restaurant sometimes too.

[Langston Kerman]

Right where you come in. Yeah. You gotta wait 15 minutes or whatever.

[David Bore]

And then also Mondays are blocked off for a lot of restaurants. Like, there's a lot of places that don't even open on Mondays. And I wonder if it's that. But I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

I think what we're dealing with is an unregulated industry.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Is it like a union?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't think so. I think barbering is the wild, wild west.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's truly like, they could just be doing whatever they want. That's why there's not no uniform in prices, bro.

[David Bore]

They put up those.

[Langston Kerman]

And the prices are getting out of control.

[David Bore]

They are.

[Dwayne Perkins]

No, it is.

[David Bore]

Say more now. Let's say more about this. Cause I think you're onto something essential.

[Langston Kerman]

The prices, they're going crazy. It used to be 20 to 25 to get your haircut, and we all.

[David Bore]

Felt comfortable in that.

[Langston Kerman]

And it was okay, and I'll tip and that's cool. And then now know I'm going on booksy.

[David Bore]

You with booksy 100, man.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I'm on booksie 67.

[Langston Kerman]

67. 85.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

200 after 8pm yeah. Come to your house, kill yourself, bro. It's nuts.

[David Bore]

Yeah, no, it's really.

[Dwayne Perkins]

It's gonna be a good.

[Langston Kerman]

A couple hundred, bro. I had to buy a chunk. That's the only way I could get a discount.

[David Bore]

You had to buy multiple haircuts?

[Langston Kerman]

I had to buy four.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You had to buy, like, a package.

[Langston Kerman]

I just did. Oh, no. And he was like, honestly, it's the best deal. And it is. It is. I'm not tipping on those four either. He finished me up. I said, that's two, right? And then I walk out. Yeah, it's crazy.

[David Bore]

No, the prices have reached a dangerous tipping point for me because, you know.

[Langston Kerman]

I have to come back at least every 10 to 14 days.

[Dwayne Perkins]

But I feel like the industry has not evolved in a way that I think constitutes the rise in price outside of, like, you know, general, like, economy stuff. Like, oh, things cost more, but, like. Sure, but not this much.

[Langston Kerman]

No, you know what it is?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Like, dude, like. And then it would be, like, 60, but if you want me to touch your facial hair, there's an extra 30.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, the beard is included. The beard is included? What do you mean?

[David Bore]

You know. You know, it's the easiest thing to.

[Langston Kerman]

Cut on my face.

[David Bore]

And, you know, I can't be half K. Like, give me the fucking. What are you talking about?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you line me up, and now I walk out. My beard is nuts.

[David Bore]

What game is this?

[Dwayne Perkins]

It's a setup, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Somebody gotta, like, they gotta unionize or no, Because I think they're all independent contractors.

[David Bore]

No, I think the way they think. We don't want them unionized.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that shit. That's true.

[Dwayne Perkins]

All them niggas together.

[David Bore]

I think we want.

[Langston Kerman]

We.

[David Bore]

What we need with barbershops is to turn them into each little item that have no contact with the outside world. And that includes homophobia and weird YouTube videos. We just want them to live on their island. Focus on cutting hair, and we will pay enough to make your island keep being an island.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I. And this is evil. You know what we need? Yeah, we need the evil shop and barbershop.

[David Bore]

David, he was a politician. We need.

[Langston Kerman]

We need, like, a McDonald's of black barbershops where it's like, they're gonna do a good enough job. The price is set. They have all this. And then all these independent guys will fall in line.

[David Bore]

The glory green.

[Langston Kerman]

We need Starbucks. Yeah, we need Starbucks. Or barbershops.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

A black barbershop.

[David Bore]

Just make it so that we all agree that's the way it can be done.

[Langston Kerman]

Set price everywhere. If we could even just go back to 40, I. I could look at it. Once it gets 50 and up is where you're starting to be like, come on, man. Yeah, I gotta be here. Come on, man.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Unless I get a package.

[Dwayne Perkins]

The package with the guy.

[David Bore]

I'm not gonna lie. I think this nigga's promoting the package.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I mean, he said it is the best deal.

[David Bore]

He's like, guys, you gotta think about the package.

[Langston Kerman]

Here's the thing. I got the package. I'm in there every eight to nine days. It is a good deal. And I'm not tipping. Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I generally think black men get haircuts too often. Oh, I think we should be okay with being a little unmanicured.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, why?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Because I just think it enhances. It validates them. Like, if they know, like, you are coming back, like, supply and demand, the demand is too high so they don't have to change the prices. Cause, nigga, you gonna be there.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the truth. And that's. I mean, the frequency of haircuts I get is why there's so much pressure on starting a new relationship. I mean, it's not dating, but I'm going to see you more frequently than any other service. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'll see my doctor every other week. You know, like, it's like you spend.

[David Bore]

A lot of time with this person.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm gonna be there. Oh, we're gonna. This is a new relationship. This is a new relationship.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And I recognize that, like, my information may be biased. Cause I just talked to more black people. But, like, I don't know other races who get their haircut as often as black men. Like, I know a lot of my black friends. It's like weekly. They're just like, every week. I kind of have, like, a standing appointment and get my hair cut.

[David Bore]

Yeah. A week and a half is about right for me.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like a big chunk.

[Langston Kerman]

Two's a little too much.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's a lot to, like, commit to. And yet we do it without, like, a lot of question. And I think that creates an environment that allows people to continue to do. Do crazy things.

[David Bore]

Whoa. You're saying that the power is in our hands?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yes.

[David Bore]

For the change that we want to see.

[Langston Kerman]

In a perfect world, if I was the man I would want to be, I would know how to touch my own shit up. And then I would not have to. But the few times I've tried, I've failed so miserably that the experimentation isn't worth the risk. I hate fucking my shit up and then having to cut it all off. I fuck my beard up.

[David Bore]

Oh. And you really had to, like, go clean, nigga.

[Langston Kerman]

Out here looking like Harriet Tubman.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think what we're getting at, the underlying issue is that here's the most.

[David Bore]

Crazy.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Of all the people.

[Langston Kerman]

Fuck.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I just think we need generally, I think black men. We're cosplaying as being brave, but we're not actually brave. Cause if you was brave, you could handle being a little ugly for a little bit.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And we kind of mask that in this kind of constant need to, like, have an aesthetic. Not knowing that that's actually the gayest thing you could do.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah. For sure. But you need to.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's why the barbershop is very gay. And so that goes back to the thing and being like, this is a, like, typically gay experience that we are trying to pretend is something else.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Therefore it has reached it gone. It went too far to the other side. And being like, this is. This is straight land. And being like, who are you selling this to?

[David Bore]

Each other. We're jerking each other off and being like, you gay? Not me.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Exactly.

[David Bore]

It's a circle jerk.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And I'm like.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

And you make.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Because I'm saying I would enjoy it. You're doing it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Nah. You. You like this shit.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't like this shit.

[David Bore]

He got two fellas because. Because he's doing a good service. He can do two at once.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Exactly.

[David Bore]

Because he's a barber. He should be. Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

So I think the. The key is just bravery. I think we. We have to be braver and okay with being uncomfortable.

[Langston Kerman]

I hear you. But I'm still trying to get my hair cut every nine to 10 days, bro. The more unkempt my hair is, the worse my behavior gets. And that's a fact throughout life. Cause in my early 20s, I was really wild and my shit was like, long and napped out and my beard was crazy and my behavior was nuts.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And let's dig a little deeper. Why do you think that was?

[Langston Kerman]

I think that I was pushing against societal boundaries because I found this thing in stand up comedy that I felt like was the edge of the norm and that I could really exist in this in a wild place. And I think I believed in the true spirit of what Bohemia was and living like a bohemian. But I do also think that looking at myself unkempt in the Mirror makes me feel unkempt.

[David Bore]

I've long desired. Yeah, I thought.

[Langston Kerman]

I ain't thought about it.

[David Bore]

I'm with you because I've long desired to be like one of them dudes who like, you know, them dudes you see on the street who just have their shirt off eating a mango.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean? Just. They're unkempt, but they are gorgeous. They are sort of like. They are light living in front of you almost. Because they are just so one with the earth. I've always wanted to end up one of them motherfuckers. But every time I've attempted to like, for real grow my hair, I'm like, nope, that ain't you, big dog.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You gonna keep your shirt on the whole time and this don't look right on you? Go ahead and cut that shit. And so similarly, I struggle to not want that. But maybe that's the brainwashing and maybe we gotta go through that.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know, man. When I was like that, it was way more detrimental to everything I had going on than just keeping my shit cut. Like, I rocked with it for a minute. It's not good for getting shit done.

[David Bore]

Whoa.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Why not though? What changes? Just cause you got a haircut and you feel cuter, that kind of changes the vibe to that you move with.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

[David Bore]

You don't think. You don't think you.

[Langston Kerman]

You are cute right now. You got two barbers in a dangly earring. You can't come out here, be like, need to be rough. You don't think. If you didn't have this aesthetic, you would are immaculate.

[Dwayne Perkins]

But that's cuz I just had to go to a thing.

[Langston Kerman]

No, Dwayne, I known you a long time. I never, never seen you not fresh before.

[David Bore]

Yeah, you still stop what this is.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on.

[Dwayne Perkins]

But I'm gay. It's different, okay?

[Langston Kerman]

It's different.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Tried to trick us when I was straight.

[Langston Kerman]

Hold on. Listeners at home, do not listen to this man.

[David Bore]

He tried to trick you. He tried to trick us. And for a moment, he almost got us.

[Langston Kerman]

He almost got us.

[David Bore]

He almost got us.

[Langston Kerman]

I was feeling bad about my. I didn't like, maybe you got to get naps again.

[David Bore]

I was like, bro, it's all.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I'm trying to push this propaganda because even straight men are more uncapped. You know where they are less in the barbershop.

[David Bore]

Whoa.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you're just trying to get an appointment. You're trying to go every five days. That's what this all is.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Fixing the system.

[David Bore]

The best way to fix the system is to just eliminate the competition.

[Langston Kerman]

You're a devil and I like it. I like the way you play.

[David Bore]

That's true devil work.

[Langston Kerman]

I like the way you play. That was really good. You built it up from jump. And we thought we weren't progressive over here.

[Dwayne Perkins]

This is how you manipulate the master.

[David Bore]

This is Kaiser. So say he's gonna walk straight at the end. You ain't going to stop switching.

[Langston Kerman]

The beads are going to fall out.

[Dwayne Perkins]

He put on like a fitting this whole time. This is for my career. This is me to have a story. I'm going go out there. My girl's waiting for me in the car.

[David Bore]

She said, hurry up.

[Langston Kerman]

She wants to dick.

[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

I turned off news altogether.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I hate to say it, but I.

[David Bore]

Don'T trust much of anything.

[Langston Kerman]

It's the rage bait.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

And wondering how long.

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

I actually am 1.4% Nigerian. African.

[David Bore]

I'm a sister. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

I think you've heard everything she has to say.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Who is that?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Just the lady we found a sister.

[David Bore]

Just the lady we found on the Internet.

[Langston Kerman]

Sometimes I Wonder if this.23andMe.

[David Bore]

All right.

[Langston Kerman]

This is gonna sound crazy.

[David Bore]

Yeah, go ahead, please.

[Langston Kerman]

Sometimes I feel like some countries are paying to juice the stats.

[David Bore]

Ooh, I never thought about that.

[Langston Kerman]

There's a lot of countries in Africa. It seems to always be a part Nigerian or, like, but it's never. Nobody's ever like, oh, they trace some of my ancestry back to Chad.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Or, like, Namibia.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I'm from the Congo.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. There's never anybody drc. It's like the same three countries in that big continent. And who would pay to juice their stats?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Everything is Brandon and propaganda.

[Langston Kerman]

The Nigerians. Yeah. Go with me.

[David Bore]

Whoa.

[Dwayne Perkins]

White people that think that they're from here.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

How do we get on even more?

[David Bore]

Yes. We. We got to become the most legitimate African. And how better to do that?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Anybody can be Nigerian.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

This actually.

[David Bore]

This is a pretty cool place to be from. They're.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what they're trying to do? Trying to take over the Native American spots. Like, it used to be white people. Like, I'm 1 8th Cherokee is about to be. I'm an 8th Igbo.

[Dwayne Perkins]

They said we're the original indigenous. Whoa, we're here.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

We actually. If you check the stats, we were here first.

[Langston Kerman]

So we went back and honestly, check the pie chart.

[David Bore]

We put a chair down. They moved in on our parking spot, but we was coming right back.

[Langston Kerman]

And honestly, if they could make the flip, good on them.

[David Bore]

I'm not mad at them.

[Langston Kerman]

No. I'm not mad at that at all.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I love a good rebrand. If you have the marketing tools, go for it 100%.

[David Bore]

I don't know that I believe any of the marketing as far as history of the world. Do you know what I mean? Like, I know of. Of the country. Absolutely. We know who the original people are here for sure. But, like, in the world, in terms of, like, what all these things used to be, I don't believe most of it.

[Langston Kerman]

That's why there's so many crazy history podcasts. They're like, oh, did you know this is actually what happened? And you're like, God damn.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Cause everybody just made their story up.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And some people are like, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[David Bore]

One dude murdered and. Or raped the entire world. Do you know what I mean? Like, we ain't never gonna get the real truth of nothing.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah.

[David Bore]

That's why they keep pointing at him. Him. They're like, nah, he was crazy. The rest of us are reasonable. Yeah. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. A bunch of y' all were doing some nasty to become emperors and kings and. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on. You got a free country.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

They said, look over there.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Yes.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I have 13 wives, and I beheaded all of them.

[Langston Kerman]

Look over there. Okay. My wife is my cousin.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

We're close.

[Langston Kerman]

Clearly, I'm the most fit to rule y'. All. Y' all too scared to your cousin.

[David Bore]

Yeah. That's bravery.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the true bravery.

[David Bore]

So what if our babies are hideous creatures, hideous little mutants? We think they should still rule over you. They. They know they can't do push ups. Shut up. Let them be king.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta be nasty to get real power.

[David Bore]

You gotta be a nasty.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta be nasty to get real power.

[David Bore]

So we're not ever gonna get. Get the truth of this shit. So, yeah, if they.

[Langston Kerman]

I only want to be middle rich. If I get middle rich. You don't hear from David. No.

[Dwayne Perkins]

What do you consider middle? Rich.

[Langston Kerman]

Enough to pass on to two to three children, but not have them be set for life, but have them have a true, decent, like, head start and to be able to have a family homestead in Sierra Leone.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Mm.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, like. Cause, like. Yeah.

[David Bore]

And by homestead, like, a pretty nice house out there that, like, is actually. You could retire there if you wish.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I'm already working on it, baby.

[David Bore]

Whoa.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You're building.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

All right, let's do a voicemail.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's do a voicemail.

[David Bore]

Okay. This is gonna be fun. Let's start with this one. I think this is a good place to start. Langston, David. Love the pie. Got a conspiracy theory for you guys to chat about. Something that has been pretty mainstream now is people say that we live in a simulation. And I think that the way people are discussing or thinking about what they mean by we live in a simulation is incorrect. Oh. And that it's not that there's some aliens out there that are playing around with humans or that we're actually inside of some computer program, that this is a live simulation that's been happening for centuries and being run by people who are here living in the Simulation with us that you got a few families that are running the major things that control our world. Transportation, technology, media, health, food. And they are constantly tweaking and pushing dominoes to create storylines and to test things. And it started off small, centuries ago in different pockets of the world. And as those families grew and expanded, it became more connected globally. It's become a global simulation. I. I'm going to pause it there, but I think if I can pull something from this. It sounds like he's saying. Saying it's more practical. VFX instead of, like, the. The digital ones that we've been accusing it of.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah. Instead of a. Instead of. Instead of like, a hardware, software situation, it's like planet storylines and stuff like that to make people do.

[David Bore]

Yeah. They're, like, literally playing chess with. With our, like, bodies rather than them.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Like, it's like a board game instead of a computer game.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. They're getting a little sloppy. I think that's what's happening with this Trump shit. They're getting a little sloppy. They're letting it, like, bleed up. Like, it's like. Because I think to that point, a small group of people, there would usually have to be a sense of decorum. Like, it couldn't be ruthless in the way that Trump's, like, just, like, pillaging our country.

[David Bore]

Well, I think he's. What happens when a simulator breaks out of the rules.

[Langston Kerman]

You're saying that Trump is Neo.

[David Bore]

Sort of.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, this is kidding.

[David Bore]

I think he's nasty.

[Langston Kerman]

Neo, yo.

[David Bore]

I think he's.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go, Red Sage. How did all of this trouble begin? Living in America.

[David Bore]

I think he literally is the one for them that broke out of the rules and went, all of this is fucking icky. It's just nasty.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm with you on that.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I would say everything's for sale. Reagan was the first niece and that Trump is trying to recreate Neo. Trump is Agent Smith assimilating as Neo, like, in the third Matrix movie. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

I like that because Reagan didn't. He put it all in place, but he didn't quite get, like, we're still. He put it. I feel like he set it up.

[David Bore]

I think he's closer to Morpheus than he is to Neo. Reagan. I think so. I think he is.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't like this anymore.

[David Bore]

I'm gonna be honest with you. I think that he is so much the. He is literally handing people pills.

[Dwayne Perkins]

He's the architect.

[David Bore]

He is the person that is telling everybody there's a world outside of where we are, but he Ain't the one that can create the world outside of where we are.

[Langston Kerman]

This is the funniest thing I ever heard. Because it's bad guy. Matrix. It's bad guy.

[David Bore]

This bad guy being, like, unplugged motherfuckers. We can be assholes.

[Langston Kerman]

And that makes sense. He's like, yo, I could fly in here, yo.

[David Bore]

He's like, y' all don't see it? I'm the buffiest guy.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't have to give a fuck.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

He said, I just know karate.

[David Bore]

He's like, bro, I'm the biggest. I'm the strongest. You know, My bitches are badder. It's not up for debate.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And ain't shit you could do about it.

[Langston Kerman]

He could. He's just lying. That's his superpower. And if you want to plug that, this. It's Epstein 5.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Just dodging the bullet.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I'm saying?

[David Bore]

But look at him. He's going, if you unplug, you ain't got to do all that. Yo, just unplug with me. And you don't even have to worry about them files, baby.

[Langston Kerman]

Yo.

[David Bore]

Who cares? I know what they do out here. We all on an out island.

[Langston Kerman]

No, man, you're right.

[David Bore]

We don't need that list.

[Langston Kerman]

Unplug. Guys, this is the smartest conversation I've ever been a part of. I'm just.

[David Bore]

I like what this dude is saying.

[Langston Kerman]

That's. That's crazy.

[David Bore]

Okay, here we go. That we are really living in. But it's not some crazy technological thing or. Or some interdimensional thing, but just people who are. Are pushing things into motion and experimenting with our social connections, our food, our healthcare business, everything. So, yeah, that's what I think, that we are living in a simulation. But there's nothing too crazy. It's just people that are running it live and living in it with us. But, yeah, man, love the pod. Tell me what you think.

[Langston Kerman]

We gotta send this man a free T shirt.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah, I'm with that.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm with that. I'm with that completely.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Also, it makes sense. Like, I feel like the people are, like, just people with power and, like, government. Like, government is like. It's all an experiment. It's just people just doing shit and seeing, like, their response. That's why when I go to different countries, you can just see like, oh, the experiment is different here. When I went to Portugal, and they were just talking about, like, oh, things that happen in America don't happen here. Like, that is specifically an American thing that they're doing to see, like, oh, how does this affect the economy? When they gave all those black people syphilis, it was just to be like, what happened? Yeah, it's just. All just experimenting.

[Langston Kerman]

And we're the. I feel like we're the most. If we're talking about inversions of the Matrix, we're the most technologically, like, we're the most experimental. Wild ones. Like, those systems over there are like, the European systems are old and they've been in place for a long time. And we started some new shit over here where we're like, nah, we're going to go nuts.

[David Bore]

We're going to try everything.

[Langston Kerman]

We're going to go crazy.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's what happened in the Matrix. They made a bunch of them, and then they didn't work. So they kept deleting them and making new versions.

[David Bore]

Because the new one, they said the.

[Langston Kerman]

Perfect ones, it didn't work. Like, the people rejected it. It has to be kind of bad.

[David Bore]

You need something to rail against, to be at war with. You need that to push you forward as a human being. Otherwise you just will cease to exist.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Mm.

[David Bore]

It makes me think so much about.

[Langston Kerman]

Hold on a second. Are you wearing a bitcoin ring?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

Now, this feels like you're a op. Wait a second. That feels a little bit.

[David Bore]

Drawing us in. Yo, this is great. This evil.

[Langston Kerman]

This is a bad guy.

[David Bore]

Yo, this is crazy.

[Dwayne Perkins]

We already talked about. You can't get power unless you're being nasty. You thought a black gay man from Chicago didn't have to be nasty to get where it was.

[David Bore]

Oh, this is a ragamuffin.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell, no. Dwayne Perkins, you are a smooth operator.

[David Bore]

This cleaned up the act, you know what I mean? He slicked that hair back and he.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Said, I'mma get these motherfuckers these knees that you distress.

[Langston Kerman]

And they got me.

[David Bore]

They got me, you Medusa, you.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, man.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I couldn't beat them, so I joined them.

[David Bore]

This is wild, man.

[Langston Kerman]

And I don't even know if you're joking.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And you won't ever.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, I don't think so.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's the propaganda working.

[David Bore]

I will say that.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Is he comedian or is he not?

[David Bore]

I think a lot about what he's saying in terms of AI and the way that it's advanced so quickly. So, like, in our face, with so much active push against it, being like, this is the destruction of the planet. Like, everybody is very clear that we are heading towards something apocalyptic with this thing, that everybody keeps advancing, advancing, advancing. And that, to me, feels like some version Of a chess game Because I don't know how they could truly believe it's this apocalyptic and not fear it. The way that they move without, like, them obviously having some out for whatever this is.

[Langston Kerman]

Right. Or if you've hoarded the resources to know that you're gonna be above whatever.

[David Bore]

You know its potential and it's not actually gonna affect the upper echelon of society.

[Langston Kerman]

Right. Cause it is too many people.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And I also think that, like, human nature moves us towards that. I think the more that I've gotten, like, the more money, the more access, the more ease, the more I'm able to think of life differently and be like, oh, what can I get from life that I couldn't have thought about because of all the other things that were oppressing me? And then when you get to a certain level at the top, I think that this is the next kind of exploration of I have everything. Can I outlive an apocalypse?

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I think they're trying to get to the point of what is the limit of human nature? Because they've reached. They're at the pinnacle and they get to decide if you are. If there's nothing. If you are at the top of everything in the world, what else is there?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And in some ways, it's almost like such deep commitment to the experiment that they're not even going to see it in their lifetime. They're like, no, I just want to see if humans can survive.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that's nasty.

[David Bore]

Just in. In theory. So I'm going to help weigh. I'm going to help push us to that. And whatever happens, happens. But I want to know if that's.

[Dwayne Perkins]

The thing, because up to this point, the people at the top have successfully beat everything else.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And so it's like, what is there?

[Langston Kerman]

And so these families he's speaking of, they've had it beat for a minute. They've had it beat long enough that of course they're searching to push past the bound. Like, there's no. I think that the thing about power or whatever, greed or whatever you call it is that there's no top tier. So it's like, why would they be content just, like, having the people subject after subjugated After a while, there's like something that they want past that, and I think. Which is probably to kill us all.

[David Bore]

And I think that's also why they're seeking eternal life in some form. Right, right. That, like, they're trying to figure out a way to make brain microchips. So microchip Live on forever so that they can bear witness.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yes. Of, like, to what that creates.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Maybe that is the final evolution of man.

[David Bore]

Yeah. We're just gonna be inside of a shell, and then that shell will be our interpreter forever.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's kind of what, like, Futurama is.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

The thing.

[David Bore]

Keep me wet and I'm good.

[Langston Kerman]

Apparently.

[David Bore]

As long as my head wet, I'm straight, I'm great.

[Langston Kerman]

Not me. I don't want to lose her forever at all.

[David Bore]

No. I have no interest.

[Langston Kerman]

I think the way that it would drive me crazy would be really destructive.

[David Bore]

I need an off ramp, baby.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. If I was going to live forever with, like, infinite power and stuff like that, I think I'd get really nasty.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

Because human life will. It'll matter less and less the more you see it expire. Like. You know what I mean? Like, your time here is finite so that all these interactions can be important. But, like, if I live five lifetimes, what the fuck do I give about somebody dying?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah. And I always feel like it's relative. At some point in my life, I really tried to stop killing bugs. It made me think about the human experience. And at what point do you start to dictate what life is important and what isn't?

[Langston Kerman]

Right? And I was like, are you a vegetarian?

[Dwayne Perkins]

Hmm. Okay. But that's the thing. I feel like.

[David Bore]

I'm not killing no more bugs. I don't give a fuck about fish.

[Dwayne Perkins]

The difference is I'm not killing them fishing. I'm benefiting from those fish dying. That's different from me killing the fish myself.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't wanna be an active participant.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Yeah. And then I'm not benefiting from killing these bugs outside of being like, why are you in my face, bug? So, like, sometimes I, like, take bugs and just take them outside. And I'm like, this is so stupid in part of me, like. Well, like, why get. Like, what. Like, what is that going to do for you to just, like, simply snuff out this life?

[David Bore]

I think about how many bumblebees I've killed in my life and how be. But, you know, when you're a kid, you're like, I don't like this thing.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

It will sting me, therefore, I will kill it. And I think now about how often we're reminded that bees are, like, ceasing to exist and how much I've contributed in some even small fraction of a fraction of a fraction to the ultimate death of this creature.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Because I can barely give a hand to like, how, like how the work that they do, like, how they help pollinate. And it is this whole circle of life shit that I think, if I think too deeply about. I'm like, oh, no, we're all serving apart. If you kill enough bees, then that kills flowers. You kill flowers, that kills this. And then now we can't breathe. Now we all dead.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I shut down a few local markets of bees. You know what I mean? Some real.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You were out here. Where are the bees that have the cat?

[David Bore]

I'm no Jeff Bezos.

[Langston Kerman]

Jabizo. Yeah. Is that how you say it? No, it's a bezo.

[David Bore]

Oh, okay.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I like that. No, you guys came too late. Thank you for being nice.

[David Bore]

I apologize.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You're doing. I had earlier, so I also wouldn't want to live forever, but I would like to be able to, like, chime in every now and again. Like in a hundred years, just have like a day to be like, oh, so this. What?

[Langston Kerman]

See, that's probably the best. Turn me on every now and then. Yeah. Just like I want make sure the engine still turns over.

[David Bore]

I want that cover Coco. I want to be in the afterlife. Chill. In the afterlife. Once a year, I get to go travel back.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh. Like die lo muerto.

[David Bore]

Eat a couple cakes, listen to a little bit of gossip. That's happening. And I go back to the afterlife.

[Langston Kerman]

That's a good way to look at it. I like that. That's a really good point.

[Dwayne Perkins]

I want that cocoa like a quick little seance. And you back.

[David Bore]

Come on. Hey, y'. All. Ah, thanks for remembering me, Doc.

[Dwayne Perkins]

You're crazy.

[David Bore]

That's real cool.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Y' all get trees no more. That's crazy. Okay, bye.

[David Bore]

You still got a haircut, though.

[Langston Kerman]

That's good.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Bar still lasting.

[David Bore]

They still homophobic.

[Dwayne Perkins]

Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Bore]

It didn't work.

[Dwayne Perkins]

More ugly.

[David Bore]

I think we did it.

[Langston Kerman]

I think, yeah, we did something that was really fun. You're the best hero villain we've ever had on here.

[David Bore]

I would say so. I've never been more on someone's side and then terrified of them in sequence.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I think it is? You never raised your tone.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That is my favorite way to have an argument as well. I think that's the most effective way. I'm not gonna raise my voice. I will actually lower my voice and get really close and be like, who the fuck are you talking to?

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Dwayne Perkins]

And it really. It has a different effect. It's.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Cause, like, we're screaming all the time. We get so excessively me. I Get so excited.

[David Bore]

Well, that's because we're weak men. We don't know how to do the manipulative sort of alpha shit that he's doing. You know what I mean? Like, we are, we think, right? That's strong. He's on some different shit.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no. That's how we almost got us twice. And he might still have got us.

[David Bore]

I honestly don't know that we escaped his clutches.

[Dwayne Perkins]

That's. We won't know until later. You're gonna process it and be like.

[David Bore]

Damn, damn, he got me.

[Langston Kerman]

I tell you what, I don't listen to the show for shit. I'm gonna listen to this one. I'll leave it in the room. Baby.

[Dwayne Perkins]

My pen is working.

[David Bore]

I'mma go home, lift up my shirt and be like, damn, I got bit. And no, I'm not going to tell my wife. Just going to go crazy one day and she'll be like, oh fuck.

[Dwayne Perkins]

This is great. This is lovely.

[David Bore]

Tell the people where they can find you. What you got going on?

[Dwayne Perkins]

You can find me on the Internet. I think my social media is like Dwayne Perkins. That's D E, W A Y N E, D E. There's another Dwayne. Yeah, that's not me. D E. But yeah, I be there. I be doing stuff. I be calling somebody sometimes.

[David Bore]

Hell yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

What you got cool guy jokes87 on Instagram. Watch my special Birth of a nation with A G on YouTube on 800 pound gorilla now. That's it. You know, that's it.

[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

Created and hosted by Langston Kirman, co.

[David Bore]

Hosted by David Bore, executive produced by.

[Langston Kerman]

Will Ferrell Hansani and Olivia Aguilar co.

[David Bore]

Produced by Bay Wayne edited and engineered.

[Langston Kerman]

By Justin Cotton music by Nick Chambers artwork by Dogon Krieger.

[David Bore]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Dwayne Perkins]

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[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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