Did Sony Kill Michael Jackson (with Shapel Lacey)

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Did Sony Kill Michael Jackson?"

My Momma Told Me – January 6, 2026
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie
Guest: Chappelle Lacey

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Overview

In this episode of My Momma Told Me, comedians Langston Kerman and David Gborie are joined by fellow comic Chappelle Lacey to explore the layered conspiracy theory: “Did Sony kill Michael Jackson?” The trio dives into the history of Michael Jackson’s music industry battles, Black celebrity, and the machinery driving scandal and downfall — all with a comedic, irreverent tone. Along the way, they reflect on the nature of fame, the psychological toll of industry pressure, the dynamics of Black excellence, and how power moves behind the scenes of entertainment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter and Setting the Stage

• The group jokes about being misunderstood (“you can’t tell if we’re good guys or bad guys”).
• Playful riffs on music shoutouts and being referenced in songs.
• Brief tangent on the size of Africa and colonial legacies in cartography.
  • Notable Quote:
    “I don’t think Africa’s gonna get its due until we re-release these maps… Not one new map. You go to every school, everywhere, it’s still the same.” — Langston, [04:41]

The Arizona Connection & Black Men, Sex, and Geography

• Chappelle, from Arizona, discusses strange sexual dynamics and stereotypes he encountered, especially regarding Black men and white women in the Southwest ([10:00-13:00]).
• Humor-infused analysis of regional culture and “MILF bars” in Phoenix.

On Marriage, Comedy, and Personal Growth

• Chappelle recently got married (“Congrats, man...It feels like it’s not supposed to happen.” — Langston, [13:44]), prompting talk about balancing careers and personal life.

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Diving Into the Conspiracy: Did Sony Kill Michael Jackson?

Introduction of the Theory

• Chappelle nominates the theory: "My mama told me Sony killed Michael Jackson."
  • He clarifies that his mom didn’t literally say this, but believes the theory has cultural traction ([15:00]).
• The group acknowledges the broader trope of Black celebrities’ deaths being shrouded in suspicion: “My mom would always say, Tupac’s still alive…” ([15:06-15:14])

Michael vs. The Music Industry

• Jackson’s battle with Sony — especially his fight to own his masters and his share of the Sony/ATV catalog — forms the backbone of the theory.
  • Chappelle: “Michael was trying to do his thing...He had a percentage of Sony that I think Sony was like, Damn, bro, he got us. We need this shit back.” [19:43]
• Discussion of Michael’s “Sony Kills” protest sign ([19:26]).
• The trio explores how Jackson’s “Invincible” album (2001) never received proper rollout: “Sony did not help him on the rollout...They didn’t do anything for him.” — Chappelle, [20:16]
  • Contrast drawn with earlier epic rollouts for MJ, e.g., “Remember the Time” premiere ([20:50-21:08]).

Reputation Management & Media Manipulation

• David wonders if the abuse allegations against Michael were industry tactics to tarnish his public image after he became “too powerful” and unwilling to comply ([21:41-22:04]).
• The group unpacks how reputation is shaped as much by media as by actual behavior.
  • “I do think...if I represent a corporation, a giant organization that cannot control the way that my music is consumed and could be threatened by a dude who hates my guts, maybe I want you to...get accused of crimes.” — Co-host, [56:33]
• Parallels drawn to how scandals break only when an artist no longer serves corporate interests (Diddy, R. Kelly, Drake — [56:32-58:06]).

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Breaking Down Michael’s Unprecedented Fame — and Its Cost

• Deep dive on Michael’s psychological journey from the trauma under Joe Jackson to the heights and isolation of superstardom.
  • “He lost his childhood to a man who aspired to the dream he was beating into them.” — Co-host, [26:57]
  • “Had he come out normal, we wouldn’t have had what we had.” — David, [24:54]
• Comparisons to other child stars and the mental cost of unparalleled fame ([23:50-25:04], [47:33-48:54]).
• They touch on how the structure of the music industry now ensures no single artist can accumulate as much power as Michael or Prince did in their primes:
  • “Entertainment is so fractured now. The industry will never have to deal with another person as powerful as a Michael Jackson or a Prince.” — Langston, [35:32]

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Dynamics of the Jackson Family, Black Excellence, and Industry Sabotage

• Humorous, but empathetic, look at Joe Jackson’s “tough love” and the family’s legacy ([27:03-34:11]).
• Examination of sibling rivalry, especially between Michael and Jermaine.
  • “Michael would then, like, turn it into bits because of how far he had ascended past Jermaine...People would laugh in the room because they knew Jermaine couldn’t do a fuck thing about it.” — Co-host, [30:44-32:04]
  • The pattern of Jermaine’s albums releasing just after Michael’s, potentially by label design to keep him behind ([43:31-44:41]).

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The Economics & Power Behind the Scenes

• Explaining how artists are exploited financially, kept in debt or dependent, and how advances mask the real money in the industry ([45:07-45:54]).
• When MJ’s estate finally sold the ATV catalog rights to Sony, it netted $1.2B — but the hosts argue Sony got it “for cheap”:
  • “Why do I feel like $1.2B is light?” — David, [54:39]
• Connecting with contemporary issues: Taylor Swift’s re-recordings as a power move against her label ([55:20-56:20]).

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Systems of Power and "The Illuminati"

• Refuting Illuminati as caricature, but affirming that “protected interests” and industry conglomerates work together quietly (“Why wouldn’t they?” — Co-host, [63:43])
• “At some point, the number just equals to power...” — Langston, [64:08]
• Reflections on how easy it is for these groups to “make someone disappear” or “roll out a new artist over them” ([63:10-63:14]).

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Reflections on Fame, Success, and Personal Values

• The hosts and Chappelle share their anxieties and aspirations around celebrity, agreeing they wouldn’t want MJ-level stardom ([80:25-81:25]).
  • “I just want to be good. I’m really lucky.” — Langston, [75:02]
  • “I’d be feeling like the luckiest guy in the world already.” — David, [72:37]
• Appreciation for lower-profile, controlled celebrity models (e.g. Kendrick Lamar, Daniel Tosh) ([81:52-83:59]).
  • “Sony’s not gonna kill us. I don’t even think they’re looking at us.” — Langston, [84:01]
• Sense of awe at how consumed and vulnerable the mega-famous are: “Imagine Michael in an intimate room...I don’t think it ever happened.” ([76:35-77:08])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I don’t think Africa’s gonna get its due until we re-release these maps...” — Langston, [04:41]
• “Michael was trying to do his thing...He had a percentage of Sony that I think Sony was like, Damn, bro, he got us. We need this shit back.” — Chappelle, [19:43]
• “Even though Michael is very talented, a lot of his success has been due to timing and a little bit of luck. It could have been him or it could have just as easily been me.” — Jermaine Jackson quote, read by co-host, [41:35]
• “Quincy Jones called him Machiavellian...He was a business savage.” — Langston, [48:07]
• “The only way to become a billionaire is to diversify your portfolio to such an extent that you can be a mega millionaire in, like, eight different spaces...a Voltron of nasty shit.” — Co-host, [64:22]
• “You gotta want to go out there... Like, we talk about just having to leave the house sometimes. Like, we should really...We should really just be going out a little bit.” — Langston, [69:20]
• “I still got a roommate. You think I can...You think I’m?” — David, [65:25] (on why he’s not a power player)
• “Sony’s not gonna kill us...They’re looking at us like, I don’t even think they’re looking...” — Langston, [84:01]
• “I just want to be good. I’m really lucky.” — Langston, [75:02]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:41] – Africa and the size of maps, colonial narratives
• [10:00–13:00] – Sexual and cultural dynamics in Arizona
• [13:44] – Chappelle announces his recent marriage
• [15:00] – The "Sony killed Michael Jackson?" conspiracy introduced
• [19:25–21:09] – Michael’s beefs with Sony and lack of album support
• [21:41–22:04] – How allegations and image control come into play
• [23:50–25:04] – Psychological cost of Michael Jackson’s rise
• [27:03–34:11] – Joe Jackson, trauma, Jackson family dynamics
• [35:32] – How the industry ensures no new “Michael Jacksons”
• [43:31–44:41] – Solo careers, label sabotage of Jermaine
• [45:07–45:54] – Financial structures that control artists
• [54:09–54:55] – The true worth of MJ’s catalog; Sony's big win
• [55:20–56:20] – Parallels to Taylor Swift’s masters
• [63:10–63:14] – How conglomerates can erase or overshadow any individual
• [75:02] – Personal philosophies around fame and fortune
• [81:52–83:59] – Models of unobtrusive, low-key celebrity

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Conclusion

This episode offers a freewheeling, highly entertaining—but deeply thoughtful—discussion of how race, power, money, and myth intersect in the Black celebrity experience. The hosts use the Michael Jackson conspiracy as a jumping-off point to probe who really holds power in the entertainment world, what it takes (and costs) to reach the zenith, and the value, as Black men and as artists, of setting your own boundaries. Their answer to whether Sony killed Michael Jackson? Maybe not literally, but the machine is built to destroy whoever it can’t control.

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Final Thoughts

• Fame at the level of Michael Jackson both empowers and endangers; protection against the “machine” is almost impossible at those heights.
• For all the jokes, the group recognizes the trauma and sacrifice behind Black excellence—and the callousness of the industries that profit from it.
• Ultimately, their ideal: modest success, self-determination, joy, and the ability to leave the stage and just go home.

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For more, visit the hosts and guest on social media, check out Chappelle’s tour dates, and send thoughts to mymamapodmail.com or call 844-LIL-MOMS.

[Podcast produced by Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts.]

Transcript

[Announcer]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[David Bore]

Guaranteed Human.

[Langston Kearney]

The problem with this podcast is you can't tell if we're good guys or bad guys.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah. Nah.

[David Bore]

Which I think that's great.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And we don't leave people guessing. They don't need to know everything.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, we don't. You know what I mean? We don't need to know everything. Yeah. Right.

[David Bore]

Exactly. I don't need to know everything.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We don't unpack it on the car ride home.

[Langston Kearney]

No, no, no. I find myself saying things on here sometimes where I'm like, maybe. Maybe I do feel that way. And that's fine and that's good. That's the government growing babies. Microchips in your Annies. All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money. Marshy defended turkey stuffing. Y' all can't tell me nothing. Don't say my shit is whack. Cause you sound crazy. Got the beat doing flips like Chappelle Lacey. Welcome, little mamas and gentiles alike, to another phenomenon. On an episode of My Mama Told Me, Let's Go.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

The podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories.

[Langston Kearney]

And we don't prove shit.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Nothing.

[Langston Kearney]

Not a goddamn thing. I seen that. I seen. That's a real song.

[David Bore]

It is a real song.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's crazy.

[David Bore]

That's crazy. You knew that.

[Langston Kearney]

Come on.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's fire.

[David Bore]

I actually haven't heard that song in a long time.

[Langston Kearney]

I'm a weirdo. Whoa.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah. How's that feel?

[David Bore]

That means you don't give a fuck.

[Langston Kearney]

All right, all right. Cool, cool, cool.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Man, I ain't never been name dropped in a song, no.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, I once I think. I think somebody said my name and I'm on one album. I'm on Michael Christmas album. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Shout out. Michael Christmas.

[David Bore]

It wasn't like a diss track, though, right?

[Langston Kearney]

No, no, no, no. It did. I was being funny. And it did feel like when Dave Chappelle was like. Yeah. They always want me to be like, you stepping some doo doo splat. Yeah, but he wasn't like that. He wasn't, like, playing me, but it was. I was the joke.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

You know what I mean?

[David Bore]

But not like you weren'?

[Langston Kearney]

No, but. No, no, no, no. It was a happy medium. Because it's like, you know.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, no, that's a flex, fellas.

[Langston Kearney]

That's pretty cool.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It's pretty cool. I think everybody should celebrate anytime they end up on music.

[Langston Kearney]

I worried that my first rap bar was gonna be like, a derogatory thing, and I would be. Have to be mad at it. That was. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't know. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna kick myself apart for your entertainment.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Sure, sure, sure.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

But, like, there's some similes and metaphors that could be made at my expense pretty easily.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I got you.

[Langston Kearney]

And that was what the worry was. But it didn't go like that.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Okay. Okay. So you've both landed very nicely in your careers. Congratulations.

[Langston Kearney]

You're gonna get one. I'm surprised you haven't got one yet.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We all pray differently. You know what I mean?

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

The results come in differently. Yeah.

[David Bore]

Yeah. That is fair. I like that. I like that we pray differently. We do. We do. Why can't we just accept that we pray differently?

[Langston Kearney]

You're right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We operate differently.

[Langston Kearney]

I like that.

[David Bore]

No one ever says that.

[Langston Kearney]

Nobody.

[David Bore]

No one says that.

[Langston Kearney]

No. It could end a lot of wars.

[David Bore]

It could end a lot of wars.

[Langston Kearney]

Hey, I just think it's different than you.

[David Bore]

Yeah. We just pray different.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

No, I do consider myself a hero of this story. Yeah.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I said the thing that nobody else was brave enough to say.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I pray differently.

[Langston Kearney]

Wow.

[David Bore]

What if that ended wars right now?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

If they listen to this and just.

[David Bore]

Heard, like, different, they're like, oh, we're.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Gonna need a lot more people to find it.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't think we have a huge other country following.

[David Bore]

Hey, sometimes you never know when something goes viral, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's true.

[Langston Kearney]

That's true.

[David Bore]

You never know. Sometimes something. It'd just be something that was just crossover. And all of a sudden you're like, oh, damn. All right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

And I was just in Japan, and somebody was like, I'm a big Mandel fan. And I was like, anything can happen.

[David Bore]

Anything.

[Langston Kearney]

I was like, you got fans of Japan. Text me back four days later. That's hard, bro.

[David Bore]

Hell, yeah, man. Yeah. Four days later. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Thanks for keeping in touch, man.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's cool.

[David Bore]

Love it. Sounds like a very modest man there. Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have fans at the show.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

But it took him four days to text your number to other people to.

[Langston Kearney]

Find out if that was so fake. He was like, oh, shit. He had me under the wrong name. I know that because I had him under the wrong name for a while.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Oh, did you?

[Langston Kearney]

To be fair.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Okay.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, I had him under this other guy's name, and the other guy texted me and was like, hey, do you want to Come do the show tonight. And I was like, why is Mandel in Denver?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And it wasn't like, no, the math ain't checking out.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, Yeah. I have one to start.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, kick it off.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't think Africa is gonna get its due until we re. Release these maps. Everybody always talks about how big it is. I ain't seen not one new map ever.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

You know what I'm saying? Everybody's like, oh, no, the maps are wrong. We all know it. You could fit three Canadas inside Africa. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Not one new map. You go to every school, everywhere. It's still the. Like, we're all just, like, acknowledging it and then refusing to do anything about it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

They won't show us. Show me the real version then, bro. I'm so sick of the old version.

[Langston Kearney]

That is the thing.

[David Bore]

Think about it. Wait, so the thing is, Africa is bigger than what it is.

[Langston Kearney]

Way bigger.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It's Africa.

[Langston Kearney]

Way bigger.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Apparently is twice the size of, I think, South America or some shit. It's, like, crazy.

[David Bore]

How does this. In Arizona so.

[Langston Kearney]

Well, I didn't even go there yet.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Brother, Brother, when y' all get running.

[Langston Kearney]

Water.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You gotta stay focused. Maps ain't your issue.

[David Bore]

Y' all got sand coming out the pipes.

[Langston Kearney]

But seriously, I've been. People been telling me since I was a kid. Yeah, right. And. But not one. That's, like, a thing. That. If that's understood, shouldn't that be immediately a reissue? That should I demand a recount.

[David Bore]

Especially because you say we all from Africa.

[Langston Kearney]

We are. I don't even.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I think that is maybe some.

[Langston Kearney]

Of us more than others. I was just kidding. I just never get somebody as dark as.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

If I were strong enough, I'd flip the table. If I had the strength, this would be.

[David Bore]

This would be toppled. This would be up in that, like, northeast area. That's true. This would be fucking toppled.

[Langston Kearney]

Where hookah comes from. Now you guys are debating my freedom in front of me?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Now you're deciding my future? Maybe you're not better than the whites.

[Langston Kearney]

Okay?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Maybe you're just the same as they are.

[Langston Kearney]

He said it. He said it. He said the quiet part out loud. You heard him.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

What a good time. But I do think that that's crazy. That it's like, it's no knowledge, everybody knows it, and then there's been no steps to change it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I agree. I think there's almost like this. This. This undermining of our intelligence in a way that feels like an attack on our person.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Do you want to mean, like, Africa. They don't want us to know.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

But also, now you're even willing.

[Langston Kearney]

Okay, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You're even willing to show me that. That. That these things are true and you're still not going to do anything about it. That is the psychological warfare.

[David Bore]

Yeah. That's the crazy thing.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

They're just like, yep, yeah, we know.

[Langston Kearney]

What are you going to do about it?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I like the map the way it is.

[Langston Kearney]

Exactly.

[David Bore]

We like Europe the way it is.

[Langston Kearney]

We look way bigger than it's supposed to, I think.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Europe.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think we made it as big as we like it.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

That's how it feels. That's how it feels. And, like, I'll be honest, I got this because I watched the Whiz Kid doc last night. Whatever. It doesn't matter where I got it from, Right?

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Because they said that. Yeah. And I was thinking about it, I was like, damn, that is true. Because then they also. This guy also said in the Wizkid doc, he was like, colonization means my people don't. We don't dream in our own language. And it hurt my heart.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

He was like, I dream in English. And I was like, listen, I love that.

[David Bore]

Because when I found out we were all from Africa, was from Boyz N the Hood in the opening scene when he. Well, but some people would say. The young Trey Styles, when he was teaching the class, he said, we all from Africa.

[Langston Kearney]

But then some people would claim, I ain't from Africa.

[David Bore]

I'm from Crenshaw Mafia.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, you African booty scratcher. Which is crazy. Everybody scratches booty.

[David Bore]

Everybody scratches booty. Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Why did he. You see how silent he is? That's why I don't feel bad about that.

[David Bore]

Why does it have to be African?

[Langston Kearney]

Because it flows so nicely.

[David Bore]

It does flow.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It feels like music. And if you've never used it, if you've never had the pleasure. What a beautiful song it was. I understand we don't get to sing it anymore, but when I sang it. Oh, did it sing? Yeah, you know what I mean?

[David Bore]

It sang really well. It did. It did.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Our guest today hails from Arizona.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I do.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Defined state of Arizona.

[David Bore]

Defined state of Arizona.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We're so pleased.

[David Bore]

I haven't had anyone say that to me before.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I stand on it. I've had times there.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, I've had times there, too, man. I've had weird times, but I've had some fun times there. Are you from Phoenix or. Phoenix.

[David Bore]

Well, yeah, like, outside of Phoenix.

[Langston Kearney]

Okay.

[David Bore]

Area called Mesa.

[Langston Kearney]

Can I actually ask you an interesting question now that we're talking about area.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Hell, yeah. Chappelle Lazy every time.

[Langston Kearney]

Sorry. I'm sorry.

[David Bore]

No, it's all good. They don't need that extraordinary comedian podcaster.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

All this shit. Chebelle lazy.

[Langston Kearney]

I have a boy who is. Oh, shout out to Aaron. He opened for you. Shout out to Aaron. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Arizona. We were. Do you know Aaron Edwards?

[David Bore]

Black Aaron. Yeah, Black Aaron.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yes, of course.

[Langston Kearney]

Okay.

[David Bore]

Suffragan Aaron.

[Langston Kearney]

Brother African Aaron. We're all from Arizona.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

There's a portal in Arizona, take you directly to where we from.

[Langston Kearney]

It's the closest to our native climates. I remember I was talking to him, and he was telling me, maybe I'm not framing this in a way that he would appreciate.

[David Bore]

Now throw it out.

[Langston Kearney]

He was saying it's a very common thing for black dudes in Arizona to have fucked some white guy's wife. Mm. Like, he said, it really happens a lot. And I was like, that's crazy.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Thoughts?

[Langston Kearney]

Thoughts.

[David Bore]

No comment. I'm just kidding. I mean, I think that's kind of, like, anywhere, you know? Yeah. Cause, like, I don't know, like, there's times I've been at, like, I'm a fly nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, I look good, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And you can flip, and I can flip.

[Langston Kearney]

My little brother's a flipper. He gets it done.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That changes a lot.

[David Bore]

No, the thing is, it's like, like. And I think Aries Spears talked about it in an interview, too. There's something weird, like, at a meet and greet, when, like, a dude and his wife.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, yeah.

[David Bore]

You know, specifically a white couple, when they walk up and they're like, no, no, just get a picture with her. And then they're like, I want to take the picture. And then they're like, yo, fucking put your arm around her. I'm like, yeah. Nah, like, bro, this is your wife. But they want me to, like, fucking. And then she'll put her hand on my chest.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Or when she's so into it and she's, like, cucking him in front of you.

[David Bore]

It's like, she's like, he doesn't need.

[Langston Kearney]

To be in the picture.

[David Bore]

He'll take it. And you're like, that's just, like, weird. And, like, the way they pose with me is like.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

There are also those ones that they don't keep the husband out. But she, like, squeezes you too tight in the photo. Like, there's like. She's, like, trying to touch you in a way that isn't what we all agree is normal for everybody in a room.

[David Bore]

Now, in Aaron's standpoint, I don't know if it's like a. The cucking way or whatever, but also, like, I didn't grow up hooking up a lot, so, like.

[Langston Kearney]

Right, right. Okay. So you missed out.

[David Bore]

Yeah, so I missed out.

[Langston Kearney]

Like, me either. I was not having as much sex. Yeah.

[David Bore]

Yeah. So he was. He was probably, you know.

[Langston Kearney]

I didn't say he did it. I didn't say it was him.

[David Bore]

Yeah, we didn't say it was him.

[Langston Kearney]

Yes, he said it was like.

[David Bore]

But also. I wouldn't be shocked. Arizona's mad weird, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

It seemed weird.

[David Bore]

It's a weird. It's a weird place for, like, I think just anybody to grow up in.

[Langston Kearney]

It seems. It also seems like I was talking to you about this when you were asking me about Desert Ridge Improv, where it's like the sexuality in the desert. There's something about it that's weird. Like, everybody's brain gets scrambled or something. It feels like there's so many couples where it's just like, well, you're in.

[David Bore]

The Desert Ridge area if you're in that area.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah. And that's where it's.

[David Bore]

Cause there's, like a. There's like a MILF bar where like. Like, young guys go and older women go and they meet up to, like, fucking. Fuck that place. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's not like, a common theme for a bar.

[Langston Kearney]

It's not.

[David Bore]

It should be. I can't remember.

[Langston Kearney]

We should get into it.

[David Bore]

It might be like, Blue Martini or something like that.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah. Oh, that's right. In that strip.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah. Where the House of Comedy is. Yeah, yeah. It's right over there.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

I don't know if Blue Martini was like, hey, this is what we're doing.

[Langston Kearney]

Right.

[David Bore]

But I think it just happened.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't think it's going to be.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

One proud lady showed up and knew she could keep.

[David Bore]

She could move around here, you know? And I fucks with older women.

[Langston Kearney]

Who hasn't?

[David Bore]

Yeah, right.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[David Bore]

Older women, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

It's like.

[David Bore]

Because it was a schedule, and they're just like, yo, I need you here, then if not.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, no, it's very clear.

[David Bore]

I got to pick up my kids, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

When you're younger and you do it, too, you feel like. You're like. You feel like you found a cheat code almost.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

I'm married now.

[David Bore]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Congrats.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I forgot that we haven't Addressed this at all on the podcast.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Congratulations, man. Yeah, it's weird, but. Yeah. Yeah. It's not weird. Like, she's the love of my life. I love her. But, like, we're still having a big wedding.

[David Bore]

Oh, that's nice.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

But they did, like, they did a small courthouse wedding.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. It's my favorite when comedians get married, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Cause it feels like it's not supposed to happen.

[David Bore]

Yes.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. It feels like it's not.

[David Bore]

It feels like it's not supposed to be that.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

So I applaud that.

[Langston Kearney]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hell, yeah. Hopefully it lasts a long time.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Nah, we gonna find you love through this podcast.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

We're gonna get you back to the Blue Martini.

[David Bore]

All right. Taking a flight. It's only an hour.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Chappelle, you came with a conspiracy theory that I think is a little more layered than we are going to lay it out for.

[David Bore]

A lot of layers to it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

There's a lot of layers.

[David Bore]

There's a lot of layers to it. Cause it's like. It's not just. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

But for the simplicity of getting the conversation started. You said, my mama told me Sony killed Michael Jackson.

[David Bore]

And my mom did say that.

[Langston Kearney]

She said it for real.

[David Bore]

No, she didn't say that. She probably think it, though.

[Langston Kearney]

My mom would say the two. No, my mom would always say, tupac's still alive. She was a big heartbreak.

[David Bore]

I hated that one. Cause I knew he wasn't.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

But there was something in my soul. But I get why people would think that.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Bore]

Because he was like, almost like a. What do you call it? Martyr? Would that be the word I'm looking for?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think there was a.

[David Bore]

There was something. There was something martyrish.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Quality.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Quality that he had that, like, it was hard for people.

[Langston Kearney]

We did see the footage of the fight before.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

No, no, no, no, no. I don't mean simply because of, like, his. His choices day to day.

[David Bore]

I think just like. I mean, Brenda's got a baby bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Bore]

I remember that made everybody go, damn.

[Langston Kearney]

I remember listening to that song, really.

[David Bore]

Feeling like, am Brenda. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm not Brenda.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

I keep mine.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think that's why we're all here together. Because none of us are Brenda.

[Langston Kearney]

We're not Brenda. Yeah. And he did make it sound so cool. In love with the molester. That sex and her crazy is just like a good line.

[David Bore]

Yeah. You know Brenda.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

I don't know if he had 112 or Jodeci. Whoever.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't know who sang it. I think Jode.

[David Bore]

I want to say it was jodeci.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

112.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

No, it might have been.

[David Bore]

Not Jodeci.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't think he was.

[David Bore]

It kind of sounds like them, though.

[Langston Kearney]

But I don't think it was. I don't think that was. That was. How do you want it?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, that was.

[Langston Kearney]

How do you want it? Yeah.

[David Bore]

When Jodeci was like, we're gonna go to Death Row or. No, it was Casey and Jojo.

[Langston Kearney]

Casey and Jojo, I think, bro.

[David Bore]

Do you realize they were with Bad Boy and Death Row?

[Langston Kearney]

I. I didn't realize that till you said it, but they could do anything. I do feel that about.

[David Bore]

Isn't that crazy?

[Langston Kearney]

Specifically KC and JoJo.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

I think they. They can do with them, all things are possible. Yeah. Like.

[David Bore]

But the driving force was devonte. Devontae.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Bore]

Whoa.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It was Dave Hollister.

[Langston Kearney]

No baby mama drama.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

No. Brenda's got a baby.

[Langston Kearney]

No, but he's singing that hood.

[David Bore]

He's singing that hood.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. It's Dave Hollister. That's crazy. Cam stopped fronting on that Dave Hollister tip.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, man.

[Langston Kearney]

He from Chicago, right?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Is Dave Hollister? I think so.

[Langston Kearney]

Also a fat guy, right?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, Definitely that.

[Langston Kearney]

You got a real fee, man. It be like. It'd be like.

[David Bore]

You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's just what I knew most about him.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You were listing other traits that I wasn't immediately associating with Dave Hollister, but absolutely fat was the one that I was.

[Langston Kearney]

Didn't know he was from his hometown, though.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yep.

[David Bore]

Oh, damn.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's not great.

[David Bore]

That's not great. That's not great. I'm not proud of him.

[Langston Kearney]

I know.

[David Bore]

Jimmy Eat World is from Mesa.

[Langston Kearney]

Come on.

[David Bore]

I know where they are. I know where they're located. I know everything I need to know. We are all growing every day.

[Langston Kearney]

I like the way that you said Jimmy Eat World. You said Jimmy. Jimmy Eat World.

[David Bore]

Yes.

[Langston Kearney]

Which is how I read it. I like that.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

With a little accent. Exactly. You rise up on the E. Rise up on the eat. You drop back, and that's just a.

[Langston Kearney]

More sophisticated way to do it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

So.

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[David Bore]

The reason why the. You know, the conspiracy on this, like, there's just something with the music industry that just seems so devilish to me. So it's not just. It's not just Michael, but, like, obviously, like, that's like, one of the bigger things. And just the way you hear an artist talk about, like, the music industry and, like, I mean, Michael was very outspoken about things with Sony. There's that one video where he was somewhere. I don't know if it was like, award show or something, and he was speaking at it, and there's a. He's holding up a sign that says, Sony kills.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Or whatever.

[Langston Kearney]

Is that real?

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, real video.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, I thought that was photoshopped.

[David Bore]

No, no, no, no. And then I've seen, like, stills of it. Yeah, but there's this thing about it because, you know, Michael was like. I mean, Michael was trying to do his thing. He was trying to own shit, you know, I think Michael looked at things like, well, why can't I own that, too?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He bought the fucking Beatles, the Beatles catalog.

[David Bore]

But, like, I'm from under Paul McCartney. But it wasn't just like, the Beatles that he had. Like, he had Sony ATV or whatever the term is or whatever. But he had, like, you know, a percentage of Sony that I think Sony was like, damn, bro. He got us like, we need this shit back. You know what I mean? And, like, I think, you know, I think there's things that were pushed out to, like, kind of like, come at Michael. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

Interesting. All right.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I think. I think also, like, the album he recorded in 2001, Invincible. That album. Yeah. Great album, which is a great album. And everyone's like, this is such an underrated album. Because Sony did not help him on the rollout with it. They weren't like. They didn't do anything for him on it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I will say that by that point in his career, Michael Jackson releasing felt uneventful in a way that it had never existed before that, like, everything before that, you were like, God damn, Michael Jackson came out, you remember? And suddenly this album, it was like.

[David Bore]

When Michael Jackson dropped anything, it was like everybody rushed home. We're gonna, like, look at this. On the tv, they premiered.

[Langston Kearney]

Remember the time on Fox, bro? Yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

Come on.

[Langston Kearney]

I remember. I Remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember.

[David Bore]

Who was doing that, bro, it was huge.

[Langston Kearney]

And then it started and you were like Magic Johnson and Eddie Murphy. My head's gonna explode.

[David Bore]

Yes.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Now, now, if I'm playing devil's advocate, play it the. There is an argument.

[David Bore]

I just go crazy. I'm throwing my head.

[Langston Kearney]

You better not bring up them kids. The lion kids.

[David Bore]

Liars. Where are they now?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Oh, they're still pretty sad.

[Langston Kearney]

All right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Let's give them a couple more years because I think they're going to start smiling soon.

[David Bore]

Oh, man.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think the kids may have soured a public sort of like, taste on him. But I also think if again, I'm playing conspiracy games.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I mean, that's what I love about this conversation.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That is also a strategy that I, a conspiracy theorist might argue Sony activated.

[Langston Kearney]

Do we think. And this is truly like a question for everyone. His reputation was already changing before the kid accusations. The Wacko Jacko and the change in his hair or his skin and all.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Holding babies outside of windows.

[Langston Kearney]

That was way later.

[David Bore]

I do that. Yeah. Come on, man. I do that.

[Langston Kearney]

Now I'm a bad guy. I don't want a scary baby.

[David Bore]

You gotta take em.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Oh, fuck his mom.

[David Bore]

He's gotta learn.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Just the very thought of you being out there scares me.

[Langston Kearney]

But you gotta do this. This is how you become strong. But like, I think that two things. He's a weird guy, man. He was a weird, weird, weird. Listen.

[David Bore]

Which is fair to say. I think it's very fair to say. Like. And I think that's why it was easy to like, pinpoint, like, to do these certain things to him. Like, it's. I mean, the Wacko Jacko and like the change of the skin tone, all that stuff. But like, obviously we know, like, we all know where he comes from, right?

[Langston Kearney]

Gary, Indiana.

[David Bore]

He comes from Gary, Indiana.

[Langston Kearney]

Joe Jackson's house.

[David Bore]

But like, not even just Gary, Indiana. Like, he didn't, like, he didn't even have to deal with the hood. He had to deal with Joseph.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

That's the biggest guy.

[Langston Kearney]

Maybe the hood incarnate, Bro. Like, think about it, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He had every version of the experience. He was. He was. He had no hope.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And then he had the most hope.

[David Bore]

The most hope in a.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

In a. In a fucking boy's lifetime.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Just eight years. That's all it took for him to go from absolutely nothing to. To heaven, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. The scale of that, when you say it like that, I never thought about it. Because the scale of that is like, where do you. Where do you continue to go with the life that's on that trajectory?

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

I mean, by the time he was in his mid-20s, he probably truly did not remember being poor like that.

[David Bore]

I mean, he was never poor. He was rich longer than he was poor, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's why he had to make himself look like a kitty cat. Do you know what I mean?

[David Bore]

That's why I'm a kitty cat, bro. You could have just said cat.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

No, no, no.

[David Bore]

You had to add the kitty in.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's why he had to make himself look like a leathery kitty cat is because he couldn't. He's like, I look in the mirror and that is not me anymore.

[Langston Kearney]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I have ascended beyond the life that I once had. I can't look at this working class as face.

[Langston Kearney]

That ain't it.

[David Bore]

I mean, there's so much mental that, like, he dealt with. Like, there's. There's so much questioning and things that are running in his head.

[Langston Kearney]

Had he come out normal, it would have been. It would have been. I mean, there's just no.

[David Bore]

There's just no way he could have, like. And also, if he came out normal, I don't think we would have had what we had, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

No, no, no.

[David Bore]

Like. Like, there's. Because there's a level of your brain where, like, you're so, like, mentally, like, you know, there's just like, these things that you just hear or whatever, tell your demons.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

No, but to your point, Heal the World is a psychopath song. In anybody else's hands, they're all psychopath songs. Yeah, it's just.

[Langston Kearney]

Haney, Are you okay? What the fuck is he talking about? He grew past words. Yeah, he grew past words. He was just saying stuff. Cause he could.

[David Bore]

And we all were like, that shit tight, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Cause it is. Cause it is.

[David Bore]

It was. You know what I mean? Like, it was. It was. I mean, just to get where, like. I mean, yeah, I kind of understand his brain in, like, the. Like. Were you, like, careful mentally? My porn search is mature, bro. Okay, give me the mature.

[Langston Kearney]

I swing the other way.

[David Bore]

Give me that. Give me that. Give me that regal.

[Langston Kearney]

My problem is they're too old physically for what I'm trying to do.

[David Bore]

No, I'm talking about in a sense of, like. Cause I grew up with an abusive stepfather, right? He wasn't no Joe Jackson. I'm like, damn, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Right?

[David Bore]

No, if you don't do this.

[Langston Kearney]

I had a bad one too, and.

[David Bore]

You did make me moonwalk.

[Langston Kearney]

You do wish. Yeah, you're like, maybe you should have gone, turned it up a little bit.

[David Bore]

But that psychological. And the way it fucks with you now, I can only imagine what it's like to not have your childhood as well. Cause I still had a childhood, right?

[Langston Kearney]

Right.

[David Bore]

Like, I was still outside skateboarding. Like, I might get socked up a time or two, but I'm like, all right, man, I got my skateboard. You know what I mean? But he was just go, go, go. Entertaining, entertaining, entertaining.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And he lost his childhood to a man who aspired to the dream that he is beating into them.

[David Bore]

Yeah, that was Joe's dream for himself.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He was a musician, which.

[Langston Kearney]

That's gotta kind of hurt too, huh?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think that's why he was. I think that's why he was hitting them.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. I mean, I don't mean to not Vil. Joe Jackson, but it does gotta be like, bro, that's gotta be a crazy head fuck, too. The idea that, like, you. You still wanted it, bro. The whole time, you still wanted it. Yes.

[David Bore]

The fact that you said that, like. Like, that's how I think about it with my stepfather. Like, me and my stepdad, we cool. You know what I mean? Like. Cause I learned a lot about him.

[Langston Kearney]

He's a better man than I. I.

[David Bore]

Learned a lot about him. I learned that, like, I was like, oh, he went through, like, kind of the same shit. He was kind of doing what? He was young when he came into my life. He's only. He was only 17. You know what I mean? So it's like. So it's like, what did he really know? He didn't know anything. You know what I mean? So he just knew what happened to him. So it's like. I think he was just like, oh, I think this is how you do it. You know what I mean.

[Langston Kearney]

Bro, that's so funny.

[David Bore]

Don't do that, boy.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Talk too much. Stop talking, boy.

[David Bore]

Yeah, stop talking, boy. What are you doing? Get out of that fridge. Go to school. Yeah, nigga.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think that to some extent, you've. It sounds like you found at least an empathy for that person.

[David Bore]

Of course, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think we. I think we could always be moving with that empathy and still be acknowledging like, bro, you were a bad guy.

[David Bore]

You were a bad guy.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, you were a fucking bad guy.

[David Bore]

Yeah, you were a bad guy.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And that sucks that you had to grow through that and find yourself there. But end of the day, Joe Jackson can be an empathetic figure and a bad dude.

[David Bore]

And I wonder if they eventually got to the point, like, his children eventually got to the point to where they had the empathy for him. You know what I mean? I don't know, you know, but, like.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It seems that way.

[David Bore]

I have, like, a very, very soft spot for, like, the Jacksons in general.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. You know, I mean, it does seem like. It's just like they're trauma cases, right?

[David Bore]

Yeah, that's a lot. And then you just had to entertain bro thing after.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And then.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, it was like dance, dance, dance.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Even Jermaine, you. You look at Jermaine and you go.

[Langston Kearney]

Why you say Jermaine like that?

[David Bore]

All right, come on, why you do Jermaine?

[Langston Kearney]

Why you say Jermaine like that? I'm just checking.

[David Bore]

Y' all do Jermaine like that.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We all have different feelings about Jermaine.

[David Bore]

Is it the hair?

[Langston Kearney]

We can all agree.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We can all agree that wasn't Joseph. Joseph ain't beat that into him.

[David Bore]

You know what?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That was Jermaine the whole time.

[Langston Kearney]

You know what's crazy is Jermaine is. I don't think he was an early standout Jackson in the way that, like, at least in our childhood, it was always Tito was the one who caught the jokes.

[David Bore]

Yeah, but Tito did always catch the jokes.

[Langston Kearney]

You know what I mean, Tito? Because Michael, you too, because that's Jermaine. Brothers Build an Empire.

[David Bore]

Jermaine would come up on them backups, you know?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, Jermaine was on half the song.

[David Bore]

She's grooving. You know what I mean? He had his shit.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Yeah. Tito was, I felt like, was the one who kind of.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Jermaine has the run and I'll be there. The fucking.

[Langston Kearney]

Is that Jermaine?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, that's Jermaine. If there was a. If there was another dude singing, it was Jermaine.

[David Bore]

Yeah, it was always Jermaine, man.

[Langston Kearney]

That would be hard, too, because you're like, what do I do? My little brother is.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And. And Jermaine sounds good.

[David Bore]

Jermaine's.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Didn't.

[David Bore]

Jermaine, like. Like, I know Michael was talented, but them motherfuckers was talented.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's what I'm saying.

[Langston Kearney]

Isn't Jermaine the one who tried to. Jermaine is the one who said that his brother tried to block his career. Right? They had some distance because of that. Right.

[David Bore]

They had some distracts.

[Langston Kearney]

They had a beat.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

But.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

But Michael could you.

[Langston Kearney]

Im beefing at Michael Jackson at the height. But Michael, you can't win.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Michael would then, like, turn it into bits because of them beefing because of how far he had ascended past Jermaine. He would, like, go on award shows and be like, I just want to thank all my brothers and Jermaine for all their love and support.

[Langston Kearney]

That's gotta be.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

People would laugh in the room because they knew Jermaine couldn't do a fuck thing about it.

[Langston Kearney]

That's gotta be. And that's your brother. That would make me a villain more than what happened to Michael.

[David Bore]

Also, I think it's cool that that's the beef you get to have with your brother. Like, those two guys, like, they get to have that level of beef. Yeah. Like, if I have a beef with my brother, it's just awesome. With the cereal, bro. You finished that cereal, bro. That was my bro. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

Quit sending Charlie Kirk Memes to the Brothers Channel, right?

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, that. They've been leaving on, like, stardom, bro. Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I also keep sending them. They're fun. I recently found out my brother's algorithm is. It's like, you find out similarities, you got some twist. My brother. Shit's the littlest one. Shit's nasty.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I like that.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Good for him.

[Langston Kearney]

It's funny.

[David Bore]

Does he listen to us?

[Langston Kearney]

I think he listens to clips sometimes in the way that, like. Yeah, I don't.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I just don't want it to bum him out if he's that cool where he's, like, on something twisted at that age and he can kind of, like.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, he's very funny in a way that I'm scared of, which is, like, the best kind of funny to me.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Like. Yeah. We. Yeah. Wild guy.

[David Bore]

That's the beef. They had the beef of, like.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think it's beautiful.

[David Bore]

I'll moonwalk on you, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, bro. You don't think that sucked? Come on.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's for Jermaine. Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying also.

[David Bore]

I guess the public is also seeing it, too.

[Langston Kearney]

That's what I mean. Like, Jermaine could have been the black joker. We kind of got lucky. Jermaine should have been the black joker. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Maybe the hair is the worst he could do.

[David Bore]

Yeah, the hair is the hair.

[Langston Kearney]

Had he taken any of that energy into weapons, any of that. Right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Because he's already. He's already making it into, like, a precise missile.

[Langston Kearney]

His hat is a spear. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Which if he were to. If he were to sharpen a piece of metal, this is the most dangerous. Yeah.

[David Bore]

It's crazy because they got beat with structure.

[Langston Kearney]

I feel like this is turned into a Joe Jackson appreciation.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We are going to end the episode with a moment for silence.

[David Bore]

Moment of silence.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Silence for Joe.

[David Bore]

Yeah. There's a difference. I know, I know that was a wild thing to say, but I felt it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You said it.

[David Bore]

I want to be clear. I know. I did say it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Neither of us said it.

[Langston Kearney]

And they're gonna. Cause they're gonna talk about it in the comments. Oh, boy. When they feel like we're wrong.

[David Bore]

I know. Right. Which is fair. I'm okay with being wrong. But like, I'm just saying, like, I was just thinking about it. Cause you said, like, he put that energy into, like, guns.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know, some kids that get beat with no structure, then it's like, I'm gonna get a gun. Since they got beat with structure. That's probably why he didn't.

[Langston Kearney]

That's true. It's almost like.

[David Bore]

So that's why. I know I threw it out there in a crazy way.

[Langston Kearney]

No, I see what you're saying, but.

[David Bore]

I was just like, it's almost like.

[Langston Kearney]

If you're gonna beat your kid, beat your kid into something.

[David Bore]

Yeah, right? Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

I got beat just running around the house loose.

[David Bore]

That's what I'm saying.

[Langston Kearney]

And now I'm out here espousing crazy opinions. Maybe you should have been making me dance.

[David Bore]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Dance can be a form of punishment.

[David Bore]

It can be.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Help me help you as a.

[David Bore]

As a. As an alumni of child abuse.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, brother. That's. That's, that's.

[David Bore]

That's.

[Langston Kearney]

I got it, I got it, I got it. I don't know. I don't even have my tools in front of me.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

What have you been doing this whole time?

[Langston Kearney]

I fucked up. I didn't know he was gonna drop a bar that hard.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

The man said something really good and now you've disrupted it.

[Langston Kearney]

That was crazy.

[David Bore]

I'm sorry. No, it's just. It's just a very interesting. Yeah, I'll take that. I'll take that. But you know, to my point, though, like, I think what everyone was able to do was to take. Cause they knew so much about them. Like, you know, like they knew, like, he was doing interviews early on. Like, I think maybe before Thriller dropped, where he was talking about, like, things that, you know, like them getting beat and shit like that, they were all kind of like. It was pretty much out there.

[Langston Kearney]

Right.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, even in the 90s when they dropped the VH1. Oh, behind the Jackson family. American Dream Movie. Oh.

[Langston Kearney]

With Jason Weaver.

[David Bore]

That three part series or Whatever. Yeah. Like, you know, like, it was obvious, like, what happened to him. We still were like, damn, that music tight, though. You know what I mean? So, like. So I think there was just things that, like, someone who's up there in the industry saw what they could use, you know, like taking, like, their life story and all this shit and messing with it and using it kind of against him. It's like, this is why he's crazy.

[Langston Kearney]

I will say.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

I will say I do wonder, right? Because I hear what you're saying. I also think that the way that entertainment was structured at that time, because it's so fractured now, it's almost like the industry will never have to deal with another person as powerful as a Michael Jackson or a Prince or whoever it could get. Cause it's just not set up that anymore.

[David Bore]

Like, it's almost better.

[Langston Kearney]

It's almost better for them that it's as fractured as it is now.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, I mean, I think, right.

[Langston Kearney]

Like, who has Michael Jackson power right now?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think in some ways, Michael Jackson became like a sacrificial lamb for a more manageable type of celebrity.

[Langston Kearney]

Damn.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You know what I mean? Like, Beyonce is able to stay a lot more sort of mentally grounded. Whatever you decide that means it's a different conversation. Because she watched what that did to a different man when she went like.

[David Bore]

Well, she's not out there. She's not out there.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It's like how there were a bunch of certain types of injuries in the 60s that now we have the technology to keep sports players from experiencing. We've just improved the technology. So now famous, it may not be as big, but it is way more functional than it is functional.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, it almost should be. It almost should be niche.

[David Bore]

Yeah, it should be. Yeah. Cause, like, Beyonce's like, mystique. Like, a lot of her information ain't just really out there like that.

[Langston Kearney]

And a lot of people, not a lot of people, but I feel like people are less aware of Beyonce than they were of Michael Jack. Like, you can live a life and not intake Beyonce. I don't think you could do that in a real. Like, I think everybody heard Thriller.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He. He.

[Langston Kearney]

Regardless of if you liked it, I mean, his.

[David Bore]

His rollouts were insane, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

His rollouts are something to be studied, bro. His rollouts.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I watched the clip.

[David Bore]

Wait till I drop an hour special, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

It's gonna premiere on Fox.

[David Bore]

Yeah, on Fox. It's gonna be in theaters.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's your problem. You ain't been asking for the right stuff.

[Langston Kearney]

That's the issue.

[David Bore]

I'm doing a promo tour. I'm being Indonesia, bitch. Y' all see this shit? Y' all like that? Y' all like that?

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I watched a clip the other day of. He. He's on some, like, crane. He's like, singing on top of a crane. Fucking shirt blowing in the wind. And a fan literally climbs the crane and grabs onto him while he's, like, swinging on this single stair. Like, one person can fit on this.

[David Bore]

He's, like, holding the fan so he doesn't fall, and the fan's just like, the.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

This or dude, I can't remember.

[David Bore]

Asian man. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He's, like, hugging him and kissing him and. And will not let go. And Michael doesn't break character for a second. He grabs this dude by his waist and turns him around, and he. Now he's holding the man from the back.

[David Bore]

I forget what song he was singing.

[Langston Kearney]

There's no song that you got to.

[David Bore]

Be doing all that reaching out.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It's the coolest shit I've ever seen in my life.

[David Bore]

Oh, bro, his production and all, like, the way he thought about, like, this is how we're gonna execute this shit.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Like, he said something that I thought was so dope that I think any, like, you know, anyone that's a performance artist, like, whatever, like, take. He said something like, he goes, we want to take people on an adventure. Let's take people on an adventure. I'm like, damn.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, man.

[David Bore]

So he's like, what is. You know, like, this is what that looks like to take people on an adventure.

[Langston Kearney]

Will you be there? That entire song from beginning to end. Yeah, man. We listened when we were driving, when we were moving back to la. Me and Alana listened to it, like, driving through Utah. Yeah. I thought I was gonna cry.

[David Bore]

Through a scenic route.

[Langston Kearney]

It was amazing. We were next to her, right? We were next to her.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's crazy.

[David Bore]

I'm only human, I tell you. Hold me like the rain with Jordan. And when the choir comes in with me.

[Langston Kearney]

Come on.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Bro, that. That song is insanely. Like, I cried walking. Like, I was just walking down. I was walking to Silver Lake. Walking, like, not even a far walk. And I. I just started crying. I go, what the is going on, bro?

[Langston Kearney]

It's amazing.

[David Bore]

It just hits you.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Like, there are Michael Jackson songs that I would listen to more often, but I get uncomfortable with the emotional state that it launches me into.

[Langston Kearney]

Bro, I get that. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Where I'm just.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

I've never. Yeah, right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It's Breaking my brain.

[David Bore]

It's just Jam.

[Langston Kearney]

Jam is good too, though. Jam is so good.

[David Bore]

And that's where he throws a shot at Jermaine.

[Langston Kearney]

On Jam.

[David Bore]

Uh huh. On Jam.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Oh, what does he say?

[David Bore]

It's like in the first verse?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Oh, damn.

[David Bore]

Something like my brother or something like that.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't even think about words when I think about it.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I think it's in jam.

[Langston Kearney]

Okay. Cause when I think about jam, I just. I don't even think of words.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I know, right? Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Isn't Eddie Murphy in that video?

[David Bore]

No, Jordan.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, Jordan is.

[David Bore]

Yeah, Jordan is.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Remember the Times. Eddie Murphy is.

[Langston Kearney]

Remember the times.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Remember the times. Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Also, what's that video with Eddie Murphy and Michael Jackson? What's up with you?

[David Bore]

What's up? What's up? What's up? Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Very strange ending to that video.

[David Bore]

Well, you found the lyric.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I'm. I'm seeing an AI overview that I don't find satisfactory. It just says no. It's like, nah, he ain't do that. But I'm trying to find it now. Okay.

[Langston Kearney]

While you're searching, it was earth song.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Michael was singing when he saved that fan from.

[David Bore]

It was earth song. Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Thank you.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Thank you.

[Langston Kearney]

Damn, that is an earth ass song.

[David Bore]

Yeah, that's an earthy ass song, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Man, I wouldn't even. Man, I don't think there were a lot of humans who could even handle that as well as he did.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Oh, while we're here, Jermaine's comments on Michael. Even though Michael is very talented, a lot of his success has been due to timing and a little bit of luck. It could have been him or it could have just as easily been me.

[Langston Kearney]

That's.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Come on.

[David Bore]

That's wild.

[Langston Kearney]

Jermaine.

[David Bore]

Love Jermaine. Okay, Put it this way. I'll tell you what, you can say that, Jermaine, and I'm gonna throw it back at you. Even though he probably said this in.

[Langston Kearney]

The 90s, it's crazy that you're speaking.

[David Bore]

From Michael Jackson right now.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Listen, Jermaine. Listen, Jermaine.

[Langston Kearney]

Say what you want.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I forgive you, brother.

[David Bore]

The thing is, that was probably just like emotions. That was probably irrational, you know? The thing is, Michael worked in a way that I don't think most fucking people do. There's this one video on YouTube of Michael in the studio, and I think he's recording his song Jam, and I think it's the part where he goes Jam. I think he recorded it like, I don't know, like multiple fucking times. And he was sitting there with whoever's working the soundboard, and he would go, go to number 43. Go to this number. Let me hear that. Like, just because he was trying to find the perfect one.

[Langston Kearney]

Right.

[David Bore]

And he recorded it, like, 40 times, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. That's impressive.

[David Bore]

Like, who's working like that? Not me, exactly.

[Langston Kearney]

I wrote on a joke five times. If it doesn't work.

[David Bore]

That'S how we are, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. I'm outta here.

[David Bore]

Who's working like that? Crazy.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

I mean, he was. He was a product of all of it, for sure.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Okay, so I found a website that is tracking the beef that sort of has a full breakdown of some of the beef.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I wish Reddit was around when they were beefing. It would help us out.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It does get a little crazy. So part of it is a marketing strategy that they lay out against Jermaine that, like, they keep when they go solo or sort of start doing, like, their own solo record. So Michael Jackson got to be there. It's his first solo record, and it's released January of 1972. And Jermaine's album, Jermaine is released in August of the same year.

[Announcer]

Oh.

[Langston Kearney]

Cause for them, it was probably like.

[David Bore]

You know, so it was a marketing strategy.

[Langston Kearney]

So let's fight it out. Right?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think they were fucking him.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You know what I mean? Like, it might have been a marketing strategy, or it might have just been like, well, if you want, we'll give you a record deal. Fine, Jermaine. But we're not. We're not giving you a separate rollout.

[Langston Kearney]

We're not going to go.

[David Bore]

Which. Which is. You know, honestly, it's kind of a bummer because, like, I do think Jermaine is, like, fucking talented, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He was talented.

[David Bore]

Yeah. And, like, it just sucks that his brother was so massive.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

To where, like, it was like, you can't even.

[Langston Kearney]

Like, any other family, he would have won.

[David Bore]

It wasn't like, like, the Jacksons weren't like the Wu Tang Clan, where all the motherfuckers can just, like, like, put out Solar Records, and it's like, dope. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Here's where it gets even crazy. Has he been at DeBarge again in 1973? Michael Jackson's music in Me is released in April of that year. And Jermaine's Come Into My Life was released in May. They gave this nigga a month to breathe after Michael Jackson released.

[David Bore]

Now we'll bring it back to this. The music industry and the way they.

[Langston Kearney]

Fuck with people, right? Yeah.

[David Bore]

Why they fuck with artists?

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Cause they have that kind of control, bro. I think about that. I can't tell you how many. Like, I got a lot of homies that are, like, you know, musicians and shit like that. They've made records and stuff like that. And I can't tell you how many times they do this thing where they give you this advance, right? You know what I mean? They're like, okay, here's $250,000 to make a record. It don't cost no $250,000 to make a record. You get that money, you're like, oh, shit, we got $250,000. And, like, you tell some artists who's starving, artists who really is, like, trying to think, oh, here's my big break. I get to make like, they gave me $250,000. You know, they just spend that shit. Meanwhile, they probably only paid, you know, 10 to make the record, maybe, or whatever, right? And then all of a sudden, they're like, all right, man, we got to.

[Langston Kearney]

Recoup that marketing costs.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean? That's why so many artists are just, like, doing it themselves. That's why they're learning how to work these, like, these programs to where they can, you know, studying to be. They're not just, like, musicians now. Now they're like, you know, producers and all this shit as well. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

And that's my problem with the Internet is eras. I can't learn another. Now I gotta edit.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Here's where it gets even nastier, is that they say that part of it is that, like, when Jermaine got married to Hazel Gordon, he marries Hazel, he stays in the Motown family, and that is what he is promised. Michael Jackson's career is what they were working on to build through Motown. Like, he was about to premiere as, like, the new sexy, cool, amazing artist born of the Jackson fame. This is Jermaine's version of it. And then Michael beats him too it, right? Michael gets to off the wall faster. The brothers are now separated. There are quotes of Michael being like, Jermaine and I were. We were as close as any two people could be. And it feels like a loss of my own limb to, like, lose my brother to a love kind of thing. And so he's claiming. Jermaine has a literal quote where he goes, like. He's. He basically is saying, like, Michael got to it before him and made sure that Jermaine was never able to get his run at the thing that's Jermaine's thing.

[Langston Kearney]

Hey, Michael, known for doing some cold shit like that. That does seem in character to me.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That was supposed to be.

[Langston Kearney]

You know what I'm saying? That does feel like that's why I stayed at Motown.

[David Bore]

I don't believe it. Michael would never do that to his brother.

[Langston Kearney]

It's like the Paul McCartney shit. Paul McCartney was like, you should look at the publishing.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

But once Michael beat me to it, he made sure it was. Would only be him. Jermaine Jackson.

[Langston Kearney]

Listen, all he knew how to be was a dog.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

That's all he had.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He got the same beat.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Like, I mean, the guy was a dog.

[Langston Kearney]

That's. That's. I mean, what's it called?

[David Bore]

I'm talking about, like, dog in a way. Like. Like, he was just like, I'm gonna be that guy.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Quincy Jones called him Machiavellian.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Like. Like, yeah, he was. He was. Cause he was a. Like a business savage.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Imagine how crazy you have to be to walk into a room and then open your arms. Do you want to mean. That's not natural. You walk into a room and you open your arms and then people swarm you.

[David Bore]

That's.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's not how human beings behave.

[David Bore]

No. Yeah, that.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He was a God. Yeah. Now we can talk about what God means. It. It isn't. I'm not saying he is above of the Lord himself, but, my God, I can't do this.

[Langston Kearney]

No. That's heavy.

[David Bore]

I mean, like, he created that, bro. Yeah, he created that. He created that energy.

[Langston Kearney]

Is he the biggest star that the world had ever seen to that point?

[David Bore]

I think so.

[Langston Kearney]

Over the Beatles.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I mean, I think. I think the previous.

[Langston Kearney]

I mean, he did hoe him out a little bit.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I mean, but, like, I think if.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Ever there was a celebrity bigger, they were not famous because we love.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Like, I think.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Genghis Khan was a celebrity.

[David Bore]

Yeah, right, right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

But I think he really bummed people out.

[David Bore]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think they were like, fuck, I heard Genghis might be coming, y'.

[David Bore]

All. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think they knew there was a bad thing on its way and they couldn't do nothing about it.

[Langston Kearney]

Golly.

[David Bore]

I mean, the fact that, like that. That video. I think. I can't. I think it's 19. Michael Jackson, 1992. And. How do you say? Bucharest?

[Langston Kearney]

Bucharest.

[David Bore]

Yeah, something like that. Yeah. And where. It's like, the most famous video ever, this concert where he jumps out from the stage. Stands there five minutes, the crowd is screaming, screaming. He's just looking. You almost don't even know if it's actually him because he's standing so still. Right. He's got his shades on. And then all of a sudden, like, three minutes later, he turns his head and another uproar happens.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah. Super Bowl.

[David Bore]

Like, what the hell?

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. What are you gonna do with that?

[David Bore]

Like, how do you even. And people are fainting, passing out.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, people died because of Michael Jackson, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

And then he just, like, went to bed that night.

[David Bore]

Yeah, he's, like, reaching. I'm.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

God.

[David Bore]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Like, people die because of God.

[David Bore]

It's crazy, bro. It's crazy like that. I mean, I don't know any other artists that could, like, pull that off to where you're like, you know for sure. I've seen some amazing concerts where people, like, go crazy.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I'll say this. And we do have to take a break, but I will say this. The greatest artists possibly ever are the product of Jehovah's Witnesses.

[Langston Kearney]

We've talked about that on here before. We have talked about that on here before.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

They.

[Langston Kearney]

They cooked. They got it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think they got something.

[Langston Kearney]

They got it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think they got something pretty good going on.

[David Bore]

Prince. Prince and Michael.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Just statistically, I. And. And I'm not going to air out other names that I know necessarily, but there. There. There are quite a few.

[Langston Kearney]

Wait, can we go to break before we get too far into this? Sorry.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, we're. We're gonna take a break.

[Langston Kearney]

No, she tried to save us. And I appreciate that, for sure.

[David Bore]

I'm good on this meter.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

All right, we're gonna take a break. More Chappelle Lacey.

[Langston Kearney]

More.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

My Mama Told Me. Well, we're gonna do this respectfully. Otherwise, we'll end in a duel. And I mean a duel. Real life duel, where only one person walks away. We can meet with guns, bottles, knives, or books and equations, but we're gonna do this like men. So get ready.

[Langston Kearney]

I'm ready. And I'm back. We're all back. Welcome back to My Mama Told Me.

[David Bore]

Was that my man's Terrence? Oh, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Oh, yeah, Absolutely.

[Langston Kearney]

And Bottles is maybe the craziest one of all those.

[David Bore]

What movie is that?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's not.

[Langston Kearney]

No, no, no, no.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's life, brother. That's them just talking. Nobody else wrote that monologue. That was of his own creation. You would think.

[David Bore]

No, it felt like an empire, brother.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That you're confusing one genius with another genius. They are both geniuses. In very different ways.

[David Bore]

God damn. I guess I gotta just accept it.

[Langston Kearney]

I bought this bottle to this equation fight.

[David Bore]

Yeah, right.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, no. I got all these books. Niggas got guns.

[David Bore]

Damn, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I never considered that they would have.

[David Bore]

Guns at an equation fight.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

At an equation fight.

[Langston Kearney]

An equation fight.

[David Bore]

Oh, man.

[Langston Kearney]

Anyways, Langston did some research we did.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We're talking about the possibility that Michael Jackson was assassinated. And one of the things that you talked about was his ownership of Sony that, like, he had a major stock in Sony, had an active beef with Sony on multiple occasions. And that beef actually left him in a situation where I think he sold his share or his assets in Sony ATV or whatever it was called, for $1.2 billion.

[David Bore]

He sold it back to them.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It sounds like Sony buys stake in Michael Jackson catalog, valuing rights over $1.2 billion. Oh, but no, this is in 2024. That his estate sells the rights.

[David Bore]

Oh, they finally sold it back.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, that they. They. They acquire it. They bought it basically for $1.2 billion. But up to that point, he had essentially $1.2 billion worth of some shit that they wanted.

[David Bore]

Damn.

[Langston Kearney]

Whoa. And then his estate sold it. His people sold it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, the estate, finally, the deal, which is likely worth at least 600 million, includes half of the late star's publishing and recorded masters, his stuff, too. It's valued at that 1.2 billion. And they're saying it's probably going to sell for. Or at the time was probably going to sell for 600 million.

[David Bore]

Oh, got it. Got it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

So they're getting it for cheap. Basically. This thing that they know is worth more than $1.2 billion.

[David Bore]

I know. That's the. I was literally thinking that. I was like, why do I feel like 1.2 is like light? Light.

[Langston Kearney]

It feels light.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And then they cut it in half. And then they cut it in half. They only paid 600 million.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, that's why you need the dog around.

[David Bore]

You need a dog.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You need a. Joseph.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, I don't mean to go back to that.

[David Bore]

You just don't want to go. Nah.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. No, no, you weren't.

[David Bore]

No, you weren't. You need a nah, right?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, you need a.

[Langston Kearney]

Because at that point, money is just an idea and money is just power at that point.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I think that's what Michael was able to do the entire time he was alive was say no.

[David Bore]

But, you know, then to bring it to, like, the newer age or whatever, this, like, trying to make this all kind of tie a little bit together. But, like, when Taylor Swift. And I think it was like her first four or five albums or whatever it was. She wasn't getting the masters or anything to that. She just went re recorded it.

[Langston Kearney]

She had Taylor's version, right?

[David Bore]

Yeah, she went and re recorded it and told her fans not to listen to the old ones and to listen to the new ones, which I think is a very gangster move.

[Langston Kearney]

No, that's a dog too.

[David Bore]

Cause here's the thing that, like, people don't like. I think some of these people don't like. Sometimes they make us forget that we have the audience. They don't know who you are. They don't know who you are in the building. They don't know who you are behind the desk. They know who I am. And if I say do this, they like me so much and they fuck me so much, they. I've earned this audience trust. They're gonna do that.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, Yeah. I got 38,000 barbarians ready to move. Let me just. Let me just.

[David Bore]

That's a divestiture.

[Langston Kearney]

Let me IG something out.

[David Bore]

But, I mean, but like, imagine if Michael did something like that.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Oh, like to where he could just change up the game and be like, all right, I got you.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I do think they'd have killed for him.

[Langston Kearney]

People would still kill for him.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I do think that if I represent a corporation, a giant organization that cannot control the way that my music is consumed and could be all threatened by a dude who hates my guts, maybe I want you to. Yeah, maybe I want you accused of crimes that maybe you do commit. But now I'm making it public because that was a Diddy shit, right? Is like, Diddy has been on this misbehavior tour for a lifetime. But it wasn't until supposedly he got in bad blood with the owners of Ciroc and sort of refused to play ball on some shit that they wanted to do with that larger sort of umbrella company that then finally people went, all right, well, if you ain't gonna play with us now, people are gonna know how you move now. People are gonna start seeing videos and hearing your business and say, that's kind.

[Langston Kearney]

Of what happened with that Drake shit too. I. I think timing on it was like mad crazy.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I think the dangerous thing we would do is go like that. Absolves these individuals of whatever they did. That's not really.

[David Bore]

What do you mean? With Drake, it was.

[Langston Kearney]

What's, like, the specifics of it? He was about. It was like a $200 million deal, right, with Universal.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I do know that I put it out there.

[Langston Kearney]

Now, I didn't know it as well as I thought.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I.

[Langston Kearney]

But the timing of it. The timing of it, of the whole takedown was also.

[David Bore]

Yeah, so you're springboarding all the timing of things of, like, blah, blah, blah. But I think I've always heard that, like, Diddy was kind of like a.

[Langston Kearney]

No, I think it was a quiet secret, for sure.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I'm saying that there's a reason that suddenly the law is getting enforced around him in a way that it wasn't. That it wasn't the fact that you're able to be like, oh, my whole life. I heard he was kind of a wild dude. It means that, like, so did the cops. They chose when they were supposed to.

[David Bore]

Do you think the same for r. Kelly?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, 100%. The girl that he peed on went to my high school.

[David Bore]

Damn.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It wasn't. Bro, this wasn't like, a secret at all.

[David Bore]

I know, I know. Like, I remember being a kid, like, hearing about him being on. But, like, we just kind of like, my nigga.

[Langston Kearney]

There was the elite, if you wanted.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

To see out loud, dawg. Beyond that, if you wanted to see R. Kelly, go to rock and roll McDonald's on a Saturday, and you, a teen will be there where he is also trying to find teens. It was just understood.

[Langston Kearney]

Golly.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Like, Robert Kelly likes to hang out at the rock and roll McDonald's where teens be at.

[Langston Kearney]

God damn.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

In the epicenter of downtown.

[David Bore]

So what do you think it was with him as far as. Like, was there something with his music as far as where they're like, all right, R. Kelly, now we're gonna get you.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Like, what was the timing on it?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Well, yeah, I think I don't know enough about, like, the way that. That his music deals and contracts and all this stuff work. But I do know that for a long time, he represented a big, big money grab in the industry. He wrote music for Mariah Carey, a lot of people. Celine Dion, he was.

[David Bore]

Did you get your shots?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Come on.

[David Bore]

Would you like to come now?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

See, that's when I think they went.

[Langston Kearney]

America.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He's singing about sex trafficking.

[Langston Kearney]

Maybe we gotta stop, bro. That was the craziest. Oh, we have it. I can't find. Oh, you have it.

[David Bore]

You have it. It is the craziest.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It's my favorite.

[David Bore]

Oh, bro, you have your passport. You get your shots, girl. Would you like to come back with Rob to America? America.

[Langston Kearney]

At one point, he was calling himself the Pied Podcast, bro. He was in our faces wearing Zorro Masks.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I think that everybody was fine with that so long as their pockets were lined a certain way. And I think at some point, the wrong people. And now R. Kelly is especially dumb, and he was documenting himself on hard VHS's. Like, I think there is a level.

[David Bore]

These cats just be filming.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think there's a level of stupidity that Diddy even had. You know, Diddy was on some very savvy trafficking. He was on some other shit. R. Kelly was a real dirt dog about it and made it easy for people to be like, hey, man, you're an absolute monster.

[David Bore]

So these motherfuckers know what these guys are doing. And it's just like, hey, you fuck us over, I'mma.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think, 100%, yes.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

I mean, I think that's like. Especially when you reach a level of notoriety. How do you hide anything? You know what I'm saying? Like, how do you hide any. What's he doing? Where nobody can talk or see, you know?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Jay Z did two albums with him.

[Langston Kearney]

Best of Both Worlds, and one of.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Them came after where he was like, all right, cool. You good? Damn. Let's get back to work. Unfinished Business.

[David Bore]

Oh, yeah. After the. Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's why it was unfinished.

[David Bore]

Same girl.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Nobody. I don't think anybody is like, that's.

[David Bore]

Why I love that song.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. No, we discussed.

[David Bore]

Comes up.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I like this.

[David Bore]

I like this.

[Langston Kearney]

We talk about how great. We talk about how great she was.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Like, she really had it. Had it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Hero of the story, for sure.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Best summer of her life.

[David Bore]

Best summer. Well, it is. Yeah. I guess it is an interesting point that you always see. There's this thing that, like, that happens with people where it's just like, oh, we're gonna put this out.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah. Damn.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I don't think that that absolves anybody. I don't think that these are good people that we're talking about. But I do think that, like, the way that we consume media has always been under the hand of someone else.

[Langston Kearney]

Truly.

[David Bore]

And maybe that's the beauty that. The fact that we don't even know who these people are. And maybe that's what's good about them.

[Langston Kearney]

I think that's why we can't know. We can't know who they are.

[David Bore]

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, that's probably why it works in their favor so much, because it's like, they don't know who we are. But you know exactly who Michael Jackson is.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Now I Can put a button on it.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I could. Oh, the guy that changes skin tone.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. Oh, I don't trust this guy.

[David Bore]

Yeah, you trust this guy? Oh, this. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah. Don't worry about how much money I got.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And I think that also makes it a lot easier for you to roll out a new artist over them or make them disappear. You know what I mean? To our point about Michael Jackson's that album with Invincible, it's, hey, you are the most powerful man on the planet.

[David Bore]

They shoved that album down.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You walk into rooms like this.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And we still have so much money and so much influence. We can make it so that not that many people fuck with it.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, well, because you're still just one entity. They have the resources of the machine.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

They control everything.

[Langston Kearney]

It's like a conglomerate or also, like, whatever you want to call it.

[David Bore]

They have control over press.

[Langston Kearney]

That's what I mean. They have the whole. So, like, as much as you can do as one person, they still have.

[David Bore]

It's still a group. They could be like, write a bad review about this album.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. It's a group of. It's a group of protected interests.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And that's why I think it's, like, absurd that people fully deny the Illuminati. Like, it's not that the Illuminati and. Or as an organization under that title exists, but the very thought that, like, the head of Sony doesn't have the head of some oil company and the head of some other company all tied in on a. Yeah, why wouldn't they?

[David Bore]

It's like, hey, you got a lot of money, I got a lot of money. Let's.

[Langston Kearney]

At some point, the number is just equals to power, right?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And so it's like you have.

[Langston Kearney]

You have 6.7 power, I have 7.4 power. All right, well, we gotta. What, are we not gonna hang out, bro?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And.

[Langston Kearney]

Or we hate each other.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And think about how you become a billionaire. The only way to become a billionaire is to diversify your portfolio to such an extent that you can be a mega millionaire in, like, eight different spaces.

[Langston Kearney]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Right. Like, you have to combine into fucking Voltron of, like, nasty shit to be able to make billionaire. Right.

[Langston Kearney]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Michael Jackson very much had his hands in eight different things that I bet the head of Sony can make a phone call on and go, we don't do Michael Jackson video games no more.

[David Bore]

I'm glad. I just want to be a comedian. Yeah, brother. Thinking about all this shit, I'm like, hey, man, I just want to. What's that joke? Sell out some shows.

[Langston Kearney]

You know, the thirst for power is like, that'll really take you out. That'll really get you out of here, man.

[David Bore]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, it's just one thing that just exists in our world. And I mean, what the fuck am I gonna do about it?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I don't got that dog in me.

[David Bore]

I don't got that dog either.

[Langston Kearney]

Me either. I don't.

[David Bore]

Hell no, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

I'm not even particularly savvy for what I'm doing now.

[David Bore]

Yeah, right, bro, I still got a roommate. You think I can. You think I'm.

[Langston Kearney]

We be in meetings sometimes and I have to be like, hold on. What does this mean?

[David Bore]

Yeah, right?

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, right.

[David Bore]

I know.

[Langston Kearney]

Stop.

[David Bore]

So it's always fun being an outsider.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You're scaring me.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah. So it's always fun being an outsider to this. Cause you're just like, oh, yeah. Doing that over there. All right.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, it's like.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

It's like I truly feel like I'm the type of person who would have got invited to the Diddy party and not known what happened. Yeah, I would have left like, that party was cool as shit.

[David Bore]

They probably like, if I should have rhymes or something. You know what they would have done with you? They'd be like, all right, David, we'll see you later, man.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

We got your Uber right there.

[Langston Kearney]

Got home happy as. No, I didn't go upstairs.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I wasn't adding value to the rest.

[David Bore]

Of this evening, bro. Yeah, good time. All right, man.

[Langston Kearney]

And I. I think they know I wasn't gonna go in the room. I know I wasn't gonna go in there.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I will say that I. I do think that that is. The Internet is treating it as if Diddy. Like if you showed up at the party, this. Locked the doors and you had to get in the.

[David Bore]

You think some of them weren't making it? Yes, they were leaving, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think a.

[David Bore]

A lot of people, a bunch of.

[Langston Kearney]

People that went there crazy alore was there. You know what I'm saying?

[David Bore]

Like, it wasn't.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think a lot of people were just happy to be a part of a fun evening and then.

[David Bore]

And that was a light skinned king back in the day.

[Langston Kearney]

Come on.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I'll be sure he was the lightest one.

[David Bore]

Yeah, he was.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It didn't get no lighter.

[David Bore]

It truly did. That was. That was post.

[Langston Kearney]

Post in tone and spirit.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Because Debar. Debarge. They. Yeah, they Were light skinned, but they, they'll. They'll light skin, like fight you.

[Langston Kearney]

They were like the Isley Brothers, right? They operated like a gang.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, they were. They were.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Chico. In and out of jail to this day.

[David Bore]

I know, right.

[Langston Kearney]

You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Like, they're committed to that.

[Langston Kearney]

I'll be sure he Razor blades.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I ain't no fighter, baby.

[David Bore]

That's funny. He would do that.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Get your hands off my mink coat like that. He was on a whole different way.

[David Bore]

Different. Different way, bro. Yeah, yeah. It's all, man. Yeah. It's crazy that, like, I mean, that's just a world where I'm like. Like, that's what I said. Like, you know, looking at it, I'm like, I can only tell you what I believe and what I think. Yeah. After that. Yeah, you. I mean, you gotta do for yourself with what you want, you know? Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

And like, had you wanted to be there, you would have had the instincts to get you there. That's the thing. We don't even have the instincts, you.

[David Bore]

Know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kearney]

To even get over there to like. I've been working in show business for a long time. Truly have not seen that much crazy shit has worked for me. You know what I mean? But then I know people who have seen crazier shit and I'm like, nah, I didn't even.

[David Bore]

But also, like, also like, I mean, I feel like, I mean, you know, quote me if I'm wrong, but like, you know, when I say quote me if I'm. Is that right?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Hey, man, I wouldn't quote you.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah. Not quote me or like, let me know if I'm wrong, but I might like me. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm such a guy and I feel like you guys are like this too. Where like I just be like, nah. To a lot of shit. Like I don't have. Like, there's just nothing in me that makes me want to go. Let me go do that over there. I'm just like, I enjoy the things that I do. I go to concerts, I have fun on stage, I'll go skate, whatever. I'll do like that. Like, I love having that life. Like, I feel like I still feel like a normal dude. Like, I don't feel like I'm like, like, you know people. I mean, there's people that want to say hi and take a picture. That's cool. Whatever. I'm like, yeah, yeah, you know, whatever. But like, I love doing the things that like I, I've always enjoyed Doing.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You're living your life exactly as you chose it.

[David Bore]

Yeah, because that's the thing. That's the thing. Like. Like all of us have a choice.

[Langston Kearney]

Truly.

[David Bore]

Like, they all had a choice. Michael could have been like, I'm done after the jacket, but you got to want to go.

[Langston Kearney]

You got to want to go out there. Like. Like, we talk about just having to leave the house sometimes. Like, we should really.

[David Bore]

We should.

[Langston Kearney]

We should really just be going out a little bit. Yeah, we gotta go hang.

[David Bore]

We gotta really show solutions. Like, let alone.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't have the taste for, like, what the things you gotta do to give that.

[David Bore]

Listen, when I get off stage at whatever show I'm doing around town, that momentum I'm using to walk off stage leads me right to my car, bro. Man, like, last time I saw you.

[Langston Kearney]

You were in your car leaving the Comedy Store. That's the last episode.

[David Bore]

You get off stage, I get off stage and I leave, you know? Cause there's just something I think is like, okay, this is why I like this shit. I saw in an interview, Donald Glover said something that was so dope. He goes, he says something like, when you wake up, when you first wake up in the morning, that's the most 100% you. Like, before anything else. Like, you waking up in the morning, it's like you. And I thought about that in another aspect. I'm like, yeah, I was like, when I get off stage, I get in my car, I go home to get ready for bed. I'm like, I'm not Chappelle Lacey the comedian anymore. I'm just a guy that's driving home, just getting ready for bed, you know.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Shedding everything that was on stage.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah. Like, it's like, yeah, like, this crowd was just like, oh, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But like, when I'm driving home and like, you know, it's literally just. Just exactly who I am.

[Langston Kearney]

All that stuff stays at the club. I think that's why.

[David Bore]

Stays at the club.

[Langston Kearney]

I think that's why sometimes hotel rooms are so weird.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Because it's like you'll be in the hotel room and you're just like watching Sports center or whatever. Like, I was just that shit 15 minutes ago.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Well, yeah, bro.

[David Bore]

I mean, come on now.

[Langston Kearney]

I grabbed a sandwich.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

The worst time of.

[David Bore]

On my Taco Bells.

[Langston Kearney]

I tried to be cool. That's what it was.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

The worst time of the night for me is that like two to sometimes four hour come down from the stage where, like, my adrenaline is still spiked. Like, I'M still up here like a motherfucker, like, with what's moving through my body. But my want is to sit and just be present with myself and not. I mean, I want to fucking watch anime. I want to, like, get lost, talk about it, bro. But, like, I'm still, like, kind of buzzing while I'm fucking watching Attack on Titan. And that's not. That's not, like, good energy.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, that just happened to me. That just happened to me. Saturday night, I was just in the condo in New Orleans and I was like, yeah, I gotta get a pool boy. Yeah, I gotta get a pool boy. You don't even like. And you're like. Cause like, you get older and then it's like, okay, well, you can't really get drunk like you used to. You can't like. Cause the places you would have siphoned that when you were younger, that you didn't even necessarily know that's what was happening. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Right.

[David Bore]

I think what it is for me is like, I've never had anything like this.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean? So when I think about it, I'm like, bro, how do I protect this? I get to still do the shit that I always wanted to do. I don't have to work a 9 to 5. I can live off this. I go, that's fire, bro.

[Announcer]

Bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

I'd be feeling like the luckiest guy.

[Langston Kearney]

In the world already.

[David Bore]

I feel, like, lucky as fuck. You know what I mean? And like. And even. Even you have those nights where you go through a weekend somewhere and it's like, hell. All right, man. They're like, There's. You got 15 people tonight. You know what I mean? And you just like, all right, it. 15 people here. We cool. We chilling. I'm in a different city.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know What I mean?

[Langston Kearney]

15 people in Cleveland know me. Yeah, that wasn't going to happen.

[David Bore]

That wasn't going to happen. It wasn't going to happen, bro. That wasn't gonna happen. You know what I mean? So, like, that's why we gotta throw.

[Langston Kearney]

These things out the window. That comparative shit.

[David Bore]

Okay. The comparative shit really does kill you. And that's like. And I think a lot of that. Like, you know, I think, yeah. Mike had a fucking massive ego, bro. Had to get that way, bro. You have to, like, diddy. All these guys, like, have, like, these. Even 50 Cent. I love 50 Cent, and 50 Cent would be cracking me the fuck up. But, like, he has, like, a massive ego, too. There's just a huge ego.

[Langston Kearney]

I Don't like speaking against him on this platform.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, we don't say anything nasty about 50.

[David Bore]

I'll pay. I'll pay. I'll pay you what I owe you by Monday.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

We respect you, Curtis.

[David Bore]

Curtis. Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

We love you.

[David Bore]

I mean, I would have. I would have personally taken the bullets out of Curtis myself if I could have. You know what I mean? That's how I feel. That's why I feel.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Sucked them out of your big old chest.

[David Bore]

Yeah. If they're like, hey, the only way. The only way Curtis can live is you got to suck these bullets.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You gotta suck those bullets on his titty.

[Langston Kearney]

Me.

[David Bore]

Okay. I don't want to have to own money. So, yes. I don't want him to make fun of me. I will definitely suck these.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I don't want him to troll me.

[David Bore]

So, yes. Yeah, please, please, please don't film this.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Though, because he will use it against me.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah. But no, like, there's just like. Yeah, I think, you know, and I like, we all have ego that just like, you can't, like, get away from that. But, like, I try to, like, maintain it to where I'm like, you know, it's like, hey, you're not on stage anymore, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Well, you know what?

[David Bore]

Some people don't. Some people don't think about that. It's like, bro, you know, you're not on stage right now. You know what?

[Langston Kearney]

I can't have my ego be backed by is actual money. I just have to keep it based in the quality of what I think I'm doing. Does that make sense?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Once I attach the commerce to it. And then that idea is, I'm like, okay, that's where I die. Yeah, that's where I go over there. And I. Those are the games I'm trying to play.

[David Bore]

Well, I always think there's a thing like naming your price. You know what I mean? It's all like, at what cost?

[Langston Kearney]

The prices. I just want to be good. I'm really lucky.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's all I ever want for me. I think I found some comfort in the price being joy and not joy. So as long as it's something that I'll be like, yeah, that'll be a fun ass time. I'll go do it. I'm not tripping off of whether or not this is. And thankfully, I have enough things that can pay my bills that I can protect, stand up, at least in that way where I go, like, if that will be fun, then I will do it.

[David Bore]

I will do it. Yeah, there's Something I like, you know, there's nothing crazy, nothing out of pocket. Yeah, I'll do that.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. I stay doing small. I say I stay doing rooms. I'll get on plane to do a room. I got some other jobs, so.

[David Bore]

Yeah, bro, like I flew to Dayton, Kentucky to do. What's that plan of the tapes. No, no, that's in Louisville. Oh, okay. Dayton, Kentucky has the Commonwealth.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, yeah.

[David Bore]

Fun though. Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, That's a fun ass room. Are you about to get in the old church?

[David Bore]

Yep.

[Langston Kearney]

Shout out to Commonwealth.

[David Bore]

That is shouts out Commonwealth.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I'm very comforted to hear you all say this.

[Langston Kearney]

No, you have a good time.

[David Bore]

You're gonna have a great time.

[Langston Kearney]

It's weird. You're like. You don't realize how close Cincinnati is to Kentucky, bro.

[David Bore]

It's so close. Also Dayton, Kentucky, I gotta. Not the most, most fun city to be in. But just, just hop across, you know, hop across that bridge over a little bit more fun.

[Langston Kearney]

It's just so small.

[David Bore]

It's just so small. But no, yeah, like, bro, I love going out there and doing those rooms. Like, Mike, why don't you go out and do a small room? Michael, come on.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think people literally would have themselves.

[Langston Kearney]

And they would have burned the building down.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Imagine Michael in an intimate room. Bro, I don't think it ever happened. It never happened.

[Langston Kearney]

I don't know if it ever happened happened.

[David Bore]

Think about that.

[Langston Kearney]

That's crazy.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think. I think it would have been irresponsible for him to go into a small room.

[Langston Kearney]

Well, yeah, I think so. I like, bro, I did some shit with Will Smith one time and they were like, the casino was like, we can't have him on the floor. We can't insure it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And this was before.

[David Bore]

Sure. Yeah. I didn't think about that.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, they were like, we can't handle the insurance.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And this was before Red Table Talk. Shit.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, it's like six, seven years ago.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. They were like, like. So we had to, like, he had to come in the back and then we shot some stuff. And then they shut down a top golf and we shot some stuff. And then we all had to go to his hotel room. No Diddy. And we shot some stuff. Could not be on the casino floor.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Wow.

[Langston Kearney]

Cause he just. That's a different.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

And that's so like with Michael, there was no opportunity.

[David Bore]

There's no opportunity for him to do it.

[Langston Kearney]

Intimate room, you can't even. It's like, it's not safe for the room.

[David Bore]

Like for Prince to do it. It Would have to be like a straight up secret.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prince did smaller rooms towards the end because I remember I wanted to go see him at Slims in San Francisco the year. The year before he died.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

And it was. But it was like tickets were expensive as fuck and Slims isn't small.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I also think Prince, by a certain point had done a lot to like, change the way that people treated his celebrity.

[David Bore]

Yes. Like, he.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

He very intentionally was like, I don't. I don't. If he's gonna be God, I don't want to compete with God in that way.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I'm gonna find a different way to play this where I am like a mysterious sort of like, shadow of a man. And so it's. There was. You could see Prince in a small room because that was part of his lore.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

But he protects it to this day.

[David Bore]

Right.

[Langston Kearney]

That documentary didn't come out.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It never is gonna come out.

[David Bore]

What documentary?

[Langston Kearney]

They were gonna make like a soup. They did make that. They did make a super in depth Prince documentary.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Like, the lore around it is, is that it's the greatest documentary ever created.

[David Bore]

That like, they won't release it.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It is, it is supposed to be like a miracle of a revelation for like, how you understand him, but then also like human relationships and like how we can all kind of like embody the greatness that is this man. It like, is supposed to be like life changing shit and legal battle, whatever, whatever. Netflix Candid. It's never going to exist.

[Langston Kearney]

This.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Wow.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Damn. See that. See that hurts me more than like, them. Like, we're not releasing Jackie onassis dress until 20. About that dress.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You can keep the dress.

[Langston Kearney]

Releasing the Prince tape.

[David Bore]

Yeah, release the Prince tank, bro.

[Langston Kearney]

Those are my Epstein files.

[David Bore]

Yeah, that's what I need. I need that, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And we do have that recorded. You saying exactly that. We caught it on that camera and in the wide.

[Langston Kearney]

I see this is. And this is why I'm never gonna get.

[David Bore]

So let me ask y' all this. Like, like, like how. I guess this is like, odd question. Cause like this, I mean, it's not too odd for us, but like based off what we do, you know, we're standups, like, and. And sometimes like, like I said, I think you don't know when it like happens, you know, like when it happens for you. Cause it's like, it's literally. I feel like it's kind of like out of nowhere. Like, I mean, we put the energy out there like just more so recently. Like, like, you know, I'm only saying this to the fucking. I hate even saying this. Just over. Recently, I got over the hump of, like, now I'm, like, selling out shows. So I just got over that hump.

[Langston Kearney]

I've heard of that.

[David Bore]

Yeah. So, like. But, like, I didn't know, like, when that was coming. Like, I was just, like, doing the things that literally all of us in this room are trying to do. You know what I mean? So, like, I guess, like, how. My question is, like, how famous would you want to be?

[Langston Kearney]

I think not much more than what I got.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think we all say that.

[David Bore]

We all say that, but a lot of times you can't control it.

[Langston Kearney]

I've been getting stressed, though. Like, you've seen it. I be getting really stressed about exposure in that way.

[David Bore]

But there might be something today or tomorrow or next week that just fucking.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

All of a sudden, David Bore is like, four nights at the wheel term.

[Langston Kearney]

You want yourself to be open to that. And I would take the opportun as it came. But, like, am I, like, freaking out about it not happening tomorrow? No, because I know that I get, like. I get a high level, like, even on this sometimes we'll do some shit and I'll talk to Langston and be like, oh, no. You know what I mean? So it's like. So it's like, if I have to be real on what I think I could handle for an ex, and you, obviously, you rise to it or whatever.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think the scary part of celebrity is that we don't get to control the stopping point.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah. That's like.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think I 100 do not envision myself in any way close to whatever these two have going on.

[Langston Kearney]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That was not ever a desire. That's beautiful.

[Langston Kearney]

That's good.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

That's gorgeous.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, that's.

[David Bore]

That's beautiful.

[Langston Kearney]

A little dash of that.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I just want to. I want people to mention my name. And everybody laughs a little bit, but.

[David Bore]

You know, you don't. Yeah, but we don't get to pick. But, like, so, like, this is. This is who, like, one of my favorites and, like, I feel like controlling their celebrity and their situation is Kendrick. I love the way that the guy will just fucking be quiet, you know, like, for. You know, because what he came out with. Damn. In 2017, and then Mr. Morale, not till 2022 or something, or it was like five years later or whatever. But, like, you didn't hear anything of him. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

It's wild.

[David Bore]

And then people still respect that. Like, oh, I can't remember who was telling me about it? Fuck, I can't remember what's coming. Oh, it was Chris Riggins was telling me.

[Langston Kearney]

Shout out to Riggins.

[David Bore]

Yeah, shout out to Riggins, bro. He was saying, like when he was on tour with Dave, Dave Chappelle or whatever, and one night they went to Kendra concert, right? And he said his green room is literally no one in there. Like, yeah, yeah. I was like, damn.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, I'm very Kendrick in that way.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I like that. And another person, another person that I like admire in the controlling of their celebrity and that is also a comedian is Daniel Tosh. I love the way he does it, bro. I don't know anything about him exactly. And like, meanwhile, Daniel just does his fucking thing. And the guy sells out theaters. Yeah, the guy sells out theaters and he also has a residency in Vegas, I believe. And meanwhile, you don't know anything about him. You can't associate him with any type of Austin, New York, Louisiana. You can't really associate him with anything other than just Daniel Tosh. I don't even know who fucking opens for him.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Pre pandemic, I opened for him.

[Langston Kearney]

I was gonna say.

[David Bore]

Oh, you did? Hell, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And it is that, like, he is real, like, quiet about his shit. He goes and does the thing. He's got a wife, he's got a family. He just kind of does. He surfs every day. He's like, really on his own. Shit, bro.

[David Bore]

I love that. That's all I want. Like, if I have a family, whatever, I get to skate every morning, blah, blah, blah. Then I go out and I go on tour, all that shit, blah, blah.

[Langston Kearney]

And I think, to put a button on it, Sony's not gonna kill us.

[David Bore]

Yeah. They're looking at us. Like, I don't even think they're looking at looking.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

I had to catch myself on that one.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I also feel like my story.

[David Bore]

Like, David Bore talking shit. What's a David Bore?

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, the Sierra Leonean fat immigrant. They're not like, ch, ch.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

You know, like, what a relatable story.

[David Bore]

I wonder what those motherfuckers, if they saw our bank accounts, what they would.

[Langston Kearney]

Think they'd be like, that's about right.

[David Bore]

That's about right.

[Langston Kearney]

That's about right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I can't see numbers that small.

[David Bore]

I've never seen numbers that small before.

[Langston Kearney]

Okay, where's the commas now?

[David Bore]

Where's the comma?

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Oh, one comma. I didn't know they only did one comma.

[Langston Kearney]

More than one account. Good for him.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Okay, Cool, cool, cool.

[David Bore]

Yeah. All right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

I think we did it. Tell the people where they can find you. What cool shit you got going on.

[David Bore]

Chappelle lacey on everything. Ticketsapelleacey.com just come to a live show. That's all I ask. That's all. I think we all ever ask.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know, but yeah, pretty much all that.

[Langston Kearney]

Boy, what you got cool guy jokes87 on Instagram. I don't really have shit right now.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Okay.

[Langston Kearney]

Yeah, I don't really have shit. I'm doing a don't tell in January. I don't think people even come to those, though, Right.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, I think they'll feel it. Whether you puppet or not.

[Langston Kearney]

I'm gonna be in San Diego.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah. Fuck, yeah.

[Langston Kearney]

Are you filming one? Yeah, I'm filming one.

[David Bore]

Hell yeah, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, it'll be fun. You're gonna kill it.

[David Bore]

Yeah. You're gonna kill it, bro.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You can follow me at Langston Carmen.

[Langston Kearney]

How weird, guys.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Oh, we're happy for you, man.

[David Bore]

You're gonna. You're gonna do great things.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Yeah, that's good.

[Langston Kearney]

Sony's gonna kill me.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

And Sony is gonna kill you. Follow me at Langston Carmen on all social media platforms. I got some new dates in 2026 for the aspiring Deadbeat Tour. You can get those [e-mail] I'm hitting some cities I wasn't able to hit because of conflicts. Cleveland, we're coming back. Dr. Greens. We're moving that date in Grand Rapids. And then there's gonna be some new cities coming up. So I'll keep you updated as that comes to be. And most importantly, you can follow [e-mail] you can send us messages to tell us what you think work good or bad. We accept it all. And you can give us a call at 844-LIL-MOMS and. And most importantly, like, subscribe rate review. Buy some merch. Bye.

[David Bore]

I feel like I just snorted cocaine or something. I'm so excited.

[Langston Kearney]

And I never did that before.

[David Bore]

For the record. For the record. For the Record.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Moment, Money Players Network and I Heart.

[Langston Kearney]

Podcast, created and hosted by Langston Kearney.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Co hosted by David Bore, executive produced.

[Langston Kearney]

By Will Ferrell, Hansani and Joel Monique.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Co produced by Bay Wayne, edited and.

[Langston Kearney]

Engineered by Justin Kahl.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

Music by Nick Chambers.

[Langston Kearney]

Artwork by Dogon Krieger.

[Co-host (possibly Langston Carmen)]

You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube, follow at my Mama Told Me and subscribe to our channel.

[Announcer]

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[David Bore]

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