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Langston Kerman
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Bora
What kind of man would let this.
Morgan
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Morgan
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Bora
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Morgan
Hi, I'm Morgan. I have three kids. I have an IQ of 160. I work with the cops.
Langston Kerman
You're a cop?
Morgan
No, but they do sign my paychecks. Kaitlin Olsen returns in High Potential, the number one drama.
Langston Kerman
She was abducted. You knew that already, didn't you?
Morgan
Yeah, I thought it'd be nice to let you have this one. And one of the best new crime procedurals.
Langston Kerman
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Scott Hansen
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Morgan
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Bora
Motherfucking mini episode. Mini episode. Motherfucking mini episode.
Langston Kerman
There it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the.
Bora
Podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of blackness. Beers.
Langston Kerman
And we finally work to prove the theories that you motherfuckers have at home. It's a motherfucking mini episode. We have an email. We got an email from a person named Alex. Alex sent us a very long, very hefty email.
Bora
I skimmed it.
Langston Kerman
You skimmed it. But the subject line reads, USA army using video games to recruit black youth Question mark, exclamation point. So a very. A very damning, if true subject line right from the start.
Bora
Right.
Langston Kerman
And Alex says, greeting the most to the most handsome and talented guys to ever host a podcast. Oh, that's very nice.
Bora
I know what I like.
Langston Kerman
Thank you. And they go on to say, I needed to draw your attention to something that piqued my interest when I encountered video game ads that included digital avatars of very famous rappers holding some big ass guns. Turns out that right now you can fire up Call of Duty and become the 3D embodiment of Snoop Doggy Dog, Nicki Minaj, or 21 Savage. Down to their voices and everything. I think these goddamn video game makers are in cahoots with the US Army. They're using the likeness of popular black rappers to convince kids that it is cool and fun to be a part of the armed forces. The entertainment industry has definitely been glamorizing the military industrial complex for a long time, but these recent developments have shown. But the man is really giving his all to Yassify Western imperialism.
Bora
First of all, Yasser Lester has nothing to do with this. He's a good. He's a good man. So I don't understand. Have you seen these commercial? I never see. Is it just like. It's like two chains playing Call of Duty?
Langston Kerman
I guess what he's saying is that it's not about just the commercial. He's saying that in the game itself, you have the option to play as Snoop Dogg with all the weaponry that a military person would have.
Bora
Oh, but they don't give you the option to be Garth Brooks. There we go. Yeah, I was gonna say Taylor Swift.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, no, that's. That's not an option. It's. It's.
Bora
I like where your head's. I mean, what do you think? What do you go first? What do you think?
Langston Kerman
So to the question of whether or not I believe that this is meant to be recruitment. I do. I do think that, like, there's a. There's a fair amount of evidence in every facet of our society that military, and certainly like the US Government supports military propaganda. That they're trying to constantly get poor people and young people and whoever they can aim for to sign up for this shit. And that's underwritten in everything we do. The fact that we stand for the national anthem during fucking basketball games and shit is crazy.
Bora
Did you ever not stand, though?
Langston Kerman
So I grew up in a house where we didn't stand.
Bora
Damn militant. For real, bro.
Langston Kerman
And it gets real wild.
Bora
I bet it goes fucked up. I bet it goes crazy.
Langston Kerman
Cause my dad, he meant that shit. And we would go to basketball games, and it'd just be me and that white man sitting next to me.
Bora
And everybody even wonders what you guys are doing there together.
Langston Kerman
They're already confused about what's happening here. They're like, that white man and his foster child are not standing for the flag.
Bora
That's good on your dad, though. I like that. That he stuck to his guns like that.
Langston Kerman
Nah. And he never will. He's not gonna stand for this shit. He's not gonna play around in it. None of that.
Bora
I love that I met your dad. Nice guy.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, I love him. But. Yeah, it gets fucking embarrassing.
Bora
That's hard, though. That's a hard stance in public. That's like. That's how, you know he was with the shit.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, it was really. Nah, he's like, I'm not playing y' all game. I'm not gonna stand for this shit. We had a. And then I would. You know, it was like, how I sort of grew to understand the thing. And so I would do it at school, and I had multiple teachers, like, pull me aside and be like, you know, try to tell me how I'm better than this. I'm smarter than this. You know, like.
Bora
Which. That's where it gets scary, though, because that is indoctrination.
Langston Kerman
But that's what I'm saying. I think they. They all. We all get raised to believe that shit. That somehow we are besmirching the honor of this country by not, like. You know what I mean, serving at its fucking flapping, flappity flaps.
Bora
I don't call the flag pussies.
Langston Kerman
See, look how you caught up there.
Bora
Yeah, I didn't love it. I mean, I never. I always stood, but I remember. Cause, you know. Yeah. We were both in high school during 9 11. I remember, like, right after, when all the bush shit was popping. A bunch of the. Like. I don't know if they were goth or punks. I couldn't tell. I was too busy playing football. Bunch of kids wearing black didn't stand up. And I remember. Cause I didn't give a shit. But I remember being surprised how mad some other kids at school got at them.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Bora
Like, there was this girl who was, like, damn near crying, like, screaming at them, like, during the national anthem. I remember.
Langston Kerman
Wow. Yeah.
Bora
Yeah. She still DMs me sometimes.
Langston Kerman
She's like, do you remember when those devils didn't stand for our flag?
Bora
Yeah, it was like. But it was like Cause I remember being in high school, like, thinking, like, I didn't know everybody believed in stuff. I thought everybody felt, like, the same way I did, that I was like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
Langston Kerman
That'S. I think, in part why I felt comfortable not standing. It originally was like, I just presumed none of us really gave a shit, but we were just sort of acting in tradition and then come to find out a bunch of people I knew really gave a shit, and it felt so crazy.
Bora
Yeah. Yeah, that's how I felt. I was like, wait, what?
Langston Kerman
Like, 911 was sad because people died, not because I, like, the besmirching of our honorable. You know what I mean?
Bora
I never even thought about it from that angle.
Langston Kerman
No. And instead, there's a lot of people who I thought were just saying this for political manipulation, not. You know what I mean? Like, I always presumed that the Republicans were just manipulating us with those stances. But then it became, like, people who fervently, like, yelled at me and wanted to, like, have real important conversations with me. It's like, oh, this is. Oh, y' all are nuts. All right.
Bora
Right, right, right. Oh, okay. I think it's also, though. But to be fair, my mom's not from here, and your dad is gangster about his.
Langston Kerman
Maybe we were.
Bora
Maybe we were not even raised to, like, we were never gonna be those people. You know what I mean? Like, we already were gonna be disillusioned by it. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Langston Kerman
No, I never had a chance to believe in this country in a way that maybe would, you know what I mean? My mom was black and also, like, fucking around with, like, socialist ideas, although not like, nearly as practicing as my father was. And it's like, my dad's. You know, he believes in this more than anybody I've ever met. What am I gonna do, become a fucking sergeant?
Bora
That would be. Do you think there was any situation where you ever would have turned and done that? Like, where you could have gone to the army or been, like, a police officer or something like that?
Langston Kerman
I think that would have been my father's greatest disappointment. I don't. And I don't think that he's that type of dude who like, actively, like, you know, even in the way that he frames his thinking about us is not like, my son shamed me. My kid's embarrassed. You know what I mean? Like, I think he just sort of is like, nah, this is what my kids are. It is what it is. I'm. I'm at peace type approach, at least. But I do think if I joined the military, he would have actively felt shame and probably expressed it every chance he got.
Bora
Damn. Letting your father down to serve your country. Yeah, that's backwards.
Langston Kerman
And that. You know What? Not enough 20. 20 specials about that.
Bora
Nobody ever talks about it. For real?
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Bora
Never comes up. Never comes up.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. He joined the military and we fucking hate it.
Bora
Yeah. I don't think my parents would have been. They would have got it less than they got stand up comedy, which was not much. You know what I mean? Like, you might have been like. What the fuck are you talking about?
Langston Kerman
Okay. Hey, big man with the gun. All right.
Bora
Yeah. Don't tell them about our taxes. I'm just kidding. My whole family pays taxes. Uncle Sam.
Langston Kerman
You know how Uncle Sam's always listening?
Bora
He's not not listening.
Langston Kerman
That's fair.
Bora
Come on. You're a communist.
Langston Kerman
You know it.
Bora
What kind of man would let this.
Morgan
Happen to his family?
Bora
Inspired by shocking actual events I'm working.
Morgan
On, story about the Murdochs. Their abuses of power are playing out in real time.
Bora
Starring Academy Award winner Patricia Arquette and Jason Clark.
Langston Kerman
It's only cheating if you get caught.
Bora
Hulu Original series Murdoch Death in The Family premieres October 15th on Hulu and Hulu on Disney. For bundle subscribers, terms apply.
Morgan
Hi, I'm Morgan. I have three kids. I have an IQ of 160. I work with the cops.
Langston Kerman
You're a cop?
Morgan
No, but they do sign my paychecks. Kaitlin Olsen returns in High Potential, the number one drama.
Langston Kerman
She was abducted. You knew that already, didn't you?
Morgan
Yeah, I thought it'd be nice to let you have this one. And one of the best new crime procedurals.
Langston Kerman
You're waiting on me to leave so.
Scott Hansen
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Morgan
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Langston Kerman
I guess I do believe in it. Alex goes on to say, I've done a bit of light research. I'll leave the heavy lifting to the experts. Well, that's a bad idea because we ain't research. This.
Bora
This is our research.
Langston Kerman
You're doing it. And there seems to be a pretty concentrated effort for U.S. army recruiters to target gamers to become drone operators who will use their gaming skills to bomb poor black and brown people on the other side of the world. Now granted that the image of pink haired Nicki Minaj wielding AK47 implanting explosives on a helicopter is hilarious, I can't help feeling that having these black icons portrayed in this way is great for the army but ultimately detrimental for the black community. Also, their selection of rappers feels like some old white guys had an executive meeting and they said we need a rapper for the older crowd. Snoop Dogg one for the ladies and LGBT. Nicki Minaj won for the Gen Z kids 21 savage. And now they have assembled the perfect digitized hip hop posse to get the kids on their way to becoming real life soldiers.
Bora
I mean, I wish I had like a good counterpoint, but I'm with you.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, yeah. I think it feels fairly pretty obvious, obvious that this is like a very intentional sort of like recruitment strategy. At the very least it is meant to soften your discomfort with the idea of militarized violence.
Bora
What I get annoyed with within this whole thing is like, nigga, how easy rappers give it up, bro. You ever notice, you ever watch, I watch a lot of documentaries about scams and shit like that. It's always, it's always Rick Ross. And so it's like we knew it was a scam, then so and so threw a party and Rick Ross was there. So we thought it was legit.
Langston Kerman
Here's my other issue. And I think that for years rappers sort of got away with like these weird fucked up endorsements under the premise of like they are of the streets, they are surviving, they are making it out of the the sort of like bad shit that they grew up in. Snoop Dogg has been famous for 79.
Bora
Years now, longer than he hasn't he? He got on when he was 19.
Langston Kerman
He's been rich, he has been famous. He has been educated in every facet of this industry. Nigga, you know you not supposed to sell your to the fucking military.
Bora
Come on.
Langston Kerman
That's what.
Bora
Come on.
Langston Kerman
That. Bro, you just do it. You just wanted to do that. So come on, man.
Bora
Yeah, rappers are shills. They're like the Ronald Reagan of musicians.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. No, y' all will y' all pop that pussy for any motherfucker that got a dollar.
Bora
And that's crazy. It's every time they make a scam and rappers. That's why you can't listen to, like, DJ Envy. Of course I wouldn't listen to DJ Envy. What the fuck are you talking about? Why would I listen to DJ Envy about investing in real estate? What are you talking about?
Langston Kerman
You know what's so funny is that I just this morning was watching a super cut of people going onto the Breakfast Club and calling him a scam artist.
Bora
And, oh, there's a bunch of.
Langston Kerman
There's a bunch of people being like, nigga, you selling houses, but you don't know nothing about houses. He's like, nah, but I'm trying to educate my community. They're like, yeah, but you're taking the money, right? Like, these are your houses. They your rent. It's like every. There's just a massive, massive list of people being like, nigga, what are you doing?
Bora
I'm gonna be honest. I don't believe famous people when they say the words real estate.
Langston Kerman
That's fair.
Bora
I tune out immediately.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Bora
I'm like, nope, that's not true.
Langston Kerman
In that supercut, there was a video where Envy says that when he first got in touch with this Caesar dude to potentially sell these houses and shit, the first three people he called were dj, Clue, Fabulous. Oh, Joe Budden, and Joe Budden. And he said. Joe Budden said, you're going to jail. And he said, fabulous said, huh? What? I'll call you back. And then DJ Clues said, it's not for me. And the fact that he didn't hear that and go, damn, Maybe I gotta chill.
Bora
Have you seen the clip where he's like, yeah, Cesar went to prison. That's where he learned about real estate.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. You're like, okay.
Bora
Like, you heard. Yeah.
Langston Kerman
No, that's not where you learn about real estate. You don't own anything.
Bora
No, you. What are you talking about?
Langston Kerman
This is the one time where you literally don't own anything.
Bora
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, that shit was like, I Don't think I would have fallen for that. I like, I get scammed on low levels. Cause I like it. But like, I'm not just giving my millions to some dude now, do you?
Langston Kerman
Maybe this isn't a fair line of questioning. It probably doesn't matter. Do you believe DJ Envy when he says he didn't know that this was happening?
Bora
No.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, me neither.
Bora
No, I think he was. You were making too much of it off of it to not understand the inner workings. If he was getting paid little 2,000, $5,000 here or there. If you're getting hundreds of thousands of dollars, you know where and how that money comes in.
Langston Kerman
It's just.
Bora
It's too much money to not. You know what I'm saying?
Langston Kerman
Yeah. His cut was too big for his knowledge to be that. That small.
Bora
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah. It just is not.
Langston Kerman
I don't think maybe he did a lot of the dirty work. Right. Like, I think that he probably was just a consenting party to whatever, like the. However the money was made. But I don't buy that he truly was like the. He's arrested.
Bora
What? No, we were enlightening our community, but.
Langston Kerman
We were business partners. Yeah.
Bora
But hey, you know, good on him. You work for a while. Enjoy.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, I worked for a while and, you know, the Breakfast Club had its run. Maybe Charlamagne will call you collect every once in a while and. Or you'll call him collect.
Bora
I think that's what's going to happen.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, I know.
Bora
You have a collect call from Blank County Correctional Facility. DJ Envy.
Langston Kerman
And Angela Yee, Charlamagne. God, we are the Breakfast Club.
Bora
I always, never understood how you got that job. Angela Yee made sense and Charlamagne made sense. I never understood how DJ Envy is.
Langston Kerman
You think Yee made sense?
Bora
Yeah. Cause she was on. I had known of her before the Breakfast Club and I knew about Charlamagne th. God, because of Wendy Williams. And then he was just like, always online saying wild shit. I had never heard of Envy before that, though.
Langston Kerman
I think for me, both Angela Yee and DJ Envy felt like the choice the radio station planned for. And then Charlamagne just ended up being what made them.
Bora
He was like the Breakfast Club. Okay, that's fair.
Langston Kerman
I think the other two are real useless dum dums that offer very little to anything. And I think that had he not been this provocateur and fucking antagonist, the Breakfast Club would have just died off and that's that.
Bora
Yeah, I think so. It wouldn't have been and it wouldn't have had anything.
Langston Kerman
There's never been a single clip featuring just DJ Envy or just Ye.
Bora
Ah, there was.
Langston Kerman
That isn't them getting cussed out by another person. You're right.
Bora
You're all right.
Langston Kerman
That's the only time that it ever goes popping is if they're either trying to cuss somebody out or getting cussed out by somebody else that people give a fuck about that.
Bora
That's true. That's true. Well, what do you think, Langston? I think we've done it. I just. I don't know.
Langston Kerman
No, I think. I think, Alex. It feels fairly obvious. Obviously, drone technology is becoming more and more rooted in what the military's sort of like, focus is. And a person that is good with the video games and also comfortable with blood splatter from, you know, some. Some fucking foreign civilian is probably a perfect recruit for the military. So, yes, that makes perfect sense to me.
Bora
Yeah. The only issue is these nerds aren't going to make it through basic training. I don't think.
Langston Kerman
I don't even know that they're going to give a fuck about basic training at that point. Yeah. I think we're moving into a way, a world where like, basic training doesn't matter the same way it used to. You know what I mean?
Bora
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
Like, they're probably gonna, like, have sections of the shit where it's just like, all right, yeah, he didn't run. He didn't run his mile in under six minutes or whatever the fuck it is. But we're good. He can. He can come.
Bora
All right, yeah, I'm with that.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, they're gonna figure it out. Well, shit, that's that. Alex, I hope this was satiating for you. I hope all of it felt good. Bora, you want to tell the people where they can find you and what cool shit you have going on.
Bora
Cool guy jokes 87 on Instagram.
Langston Kerman
Fuck yeah. And as always, you can follow me, Langston Kerman. And if you want to send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories, if you want to advocate for us saying the Pledge of Allegiance before every single episode, send it all to mymamapodmail.com, we would love to hear from you. And follow the YouTube, follow the Instagram subscribe. Yeah, we gotta get that. Leave your comments on the Apple subscriptions. We read those and we laugh heartily. Those are always fun.
Bora
They make me feel good.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, it's nice. And occasionally they're mean spirited and that's also funny. I laugh at those maybe much more than the other way around.
Bora
Yeah, it is. Cause sometimes hurting it, you know, you're alive.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. Oh, I still matter. Okay.
Bora
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
All right.
Bora
I just like to feel.
Langston Kerman
But yeah, that's. That's the whole thing. Bye.
Bora
Look at your neighbor and say, he's a meat stretcher. He'll stretch your meat. Hallelujah.
Langston Kerman
Hallelujah, church man.
Bora
Mini episode Mini episode Motherfucking mini episode. Motherfucking mini episode. Mini episode Motherfucking mini episode.
Morgan
Hi, I'm Morgan. I have three kids. I have an IQ of 160. I work with the cops.
Langston Kerman
You're a cop?
Morgan
No, but they do sign my paychecks. Kaitlin Olsen returns in High Potential, the number one drama.
Langston Kerman
She was abducted. You knew that already, didn't you?
Morgan
Yeah, I thought it'd be nice to let you have this one. And one of the best new crime procedurals.
Langston Kerman
You're waiting on me to leave so.
Scott Hansen
You can poke around without a warrant, aren't you?
Morgan
Yeah. High potential. New Tuesdays, 10, 9 Central on ABC and stream on Hulu. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech@lenovo.com Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming and performance that won't quit. So you can push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel Core Ultra processors for the next era of gaming. Upgrade to smooth, high quality streaming with Intel Wi Fi 6e and maximize game performance with enhanced overclocking. Win the tech search power up@lenovo.com.
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Langston Kerman
This is an iHeart podcast.
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie (“Bora”)
Date: October 9, 2025
Podcast Theme: Comedians Langston and Bora examine Black conspiracy theories—silly, scary, and everything in between, often submitted by fans.
This mini episode dives into a conspiracy theory from listener Alex, questioning if the US Army is using video games and the digital avatars of Black rappers to recruit Black youth and glamorize the military. Langston and Bora riff on military indoctrination, video game culture, and the complicated relationship between entertainment, celebrity endorsements, and systemic propaganda—mixing insightful skepticism with signature comedy.
Timestamp: 02:29–04:10
Timestamp: 04:10–09:29
Langston’s Take:
Personal Anecdotes:
On Indoctrination:
Timestamp: 09:29–11:14
Family Background:
No Chance at Enlistment:
Timestamp: 14:06–15:45 & 22:37–23:36
Alex’s further argument: The Army targets gamers for drone operation, leveraging their gaming skills for real-world military action.
“There seems to be a pretty concentrated effort for U.S. army recruiters to target gamers to become drone operators who will use their gaming skills to bomb poor black and brown people...” (14:20)
Langston:
Bora agrees, emphasizing the intentionality—“obvious that this is like a very intentional sort of like recruitment strategy.”
Later, Langston concludes:
Bora quips that “nerds aren’t going to make it through basic training,” but Langston thinks that’s beside the point as military roles evolve. (23:05–23:20)
Timestamp: 15:45–18:43
Bora’s Frustration:
Langston’s Critique:
Timestamp: 16:58–22:29
Context:
Key Moments:
Timestamp: 21:00–22:29
Timestamp: 22:37–23:36
Langston:
Bora:
Langston and Bora agree that the digital inclusion of Black rappers in military shooters is not just commerce—it’s an intentional softening of anti-military skepticism, targeted at Black youth. They view this as part of a long history of propaganda and celebrity sell-out, cautioning listeners not to be seduced by hip-hop glamour or celebrity endorsements—military, financial, or otherwise.
Listener Call-to-Action:
“Send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories... send it all to mymamapodmail.com, we would love to hear from you.” (23:51)