Is Dr. Umar in the C.I.A?: Motherf*ckin Mini Episode

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Momma Told Me – "Is Dr. Umar in the C.I.A?: Motherf*ckin Mini Episode"

Release Date: February 27, 2025
Host/Authors: Langston Kerman and David Gborie
Network: Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts

In the "Is Dr. Umar in the C.I.A?: Motherf*ckin Mini Episode" of My Momma Told Me, comedians Langston Kerman and David Gborie delve into one of the most intriguing and controversial Black conspiracy theories surrounding Dr. Umar Johnson. This mini-episode, true to its title, packs a punch in a shorter format, maintaining the show’s signature blend of humor, insightful debate, and candid conversation.

Introduction and Episode Setup ([02:01] – [04:00])

The episode kicks off with a lively exchange between Langston and David, setting the tone for an unfiltered and spirited discussion. Langston energetically welcomes listeners, “Ladies and gentlemen, little mamas and gentiles alike, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me” ([02:11]). David humorously emphasizes the mini nature of the episode, repeating “Motherfuckin mini episode” ([02:01]) to underline the episode's concise format.

Engagement with Listener Voicemail ([05:50] – [23:11])

The heart of this mini-episode revolves around a listener-submitted voicemail questioning whether Dr. Umar Johnson is a CIA operative orchestrating a covert agenda against Black America. The voicemail asserts that Dr. Umar has not genuinely built the Pan African School and is merely engaging in personal exploits, such as seeking women on Instagram Live ([18:43]).

Debate on Dr. Umar’s Alleged CIA Ties ([05:50] – [23:11])

Examining the CIA Allegation

David begins by challenging the necessity of the CIA involvement hypothesis, stating, “it doesn't have to be some reverse Reagan scheme for him to just be running around looking for women on IG Live” ([19:08]). Langston concurs, asserting that even without CIA ties, Dr. Umar can still be problematic: “I think he can be a scoundrel without being a CIA operative” ([19:22]).

Humanizing Dr. Umar

Both hosts agree that Dr. Umar is a flawed individual. Langston points out that “there's plenty to critique in Umar, but he does love Black people” ([20:24]). He emphasizes that Dr. Umar is not actively working against the community but is more self-serving: “he Loves himself and money, obviously, a lot more than anything” ([20:24]).

Critique of Media and Conspiracy Narratives

Langston challenges the conspiracy narrative by highlighting the lack of credible evidence linking Dr. Umar to the CIA: “the CIA has never spoken to Dr. Umar once” ([21:00]). He suggests that Dr. Umar's influence stems from his genuine efforts to build a community rather than orchestrated manipulation: “he built a groundswell of people who believed in his school or thought he was really, really funny” ([21:00]).

Comparison with Other Figures

David draws parallels between Dr. Umar and other controversial figures like Candace Owens, noting that unlike them, Dr. Umar feels “built it all on his own” ([21:00]). Langston adds that figures like Dr. Umar reflect the community's own struggles rather than being external agents: “he's a reflection of our own sickness more than he is a bad dude who was planted on us” ([21:00]).

Concluding Thoughts and Future Possibilities ([23:07] – [25:37])

Open Invitation for Dr. Umar

The hosts express their openness to inviting Dr. Umar on the podcast, albeit humorously noting financial constraints: “We've attempted to have him on the podcast, and it would have cost us more money than we care to discuss online” ([23:11]). They joke about budgeting and future episodes, maintaining a lighthearted tone despite the serious nature of the discussion.

Personal Reflections and Broader Insights

Langston and David reflect on the broader implications of conspiracy theories within the Black community. They acknowledge the importance of scrutinizing influential figures while also recognizing that not every controversial action necessitates a covert agenda. Langston underscores the need to balance critique with understanding: “These are adult men who got attention too early in their lives and are really dealing with an odd type of arrested development” ([25:05]).

Key Takeaways

• Skepticism of Conspiracies: Langston and David approach the conspiracy theory with healthy skepticism, emphasizing the lack of concrete evidence linking Dr. Umar to the CIA.

• Humanizing Influential Figures: They highlight that influential individuals like Dr. Umar can have both positive and negative traits without being part of a larger covert operation.

• Reflection of Community Challenges: The hosts suggest that Dr. Umar's actions and the community's response to him reflect broader societal issues rather than external manipulations.

• Open Dialogue: By engaging directly with listener submissions, Langston and David foster an open and honest dialogue about sensitive and complex topics.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Langston Kerman ([19:22]): “I think he can be a scoundrel without being a CIA operative.”

• David Gborie ([21:00]): “I think he's just a guy, but to your credit, I think he truly loves.”

• Langston Kerman ([21:00]): “He built a groundswell of people who believed in his school or thought he was really, really funny.”

Conclusion

In this mini-episode, Langston Kerman and David Gborie skillfully navigate the controversial claim that Dr. Umar Johnson is a CIA agent. Through rigorous debate, humor, and insightful analysis, they dissect the layers of the conspiracy theory, ultimately advocating for a more nuanced understanding of influential figures within the Black community. Their respectful yet candid approach encourages listeners to critically evaluate claims while acknowledging the complexities of leadership and influence.

For listeners who haven't tuned in, this episode provides a compelling exploration of how conspiracy theories emerge and persist, especially in communities striving for representation and empowerment. Langston and David's balanced discussion offers both entertainment and thoughtful commentary, staying true to the essence of "My Momma Told Me."

Transcript

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[David Borey]

Motherfuckin mini episode. Mini episode Motherfuckin mini episode.

[Langston Kerman]

Feel the rain on your skin no one else can feel it for you Only you can let it in no one else I'm not gonna keep going. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, little mamas and gentiles alike, welcome to another phenomenal episode of.

[David Borey]

My Mama Told Me, the podcast, where we dive deep into the pockets of.

[Langston Kerman]

Black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove the theories that you, the listeners, have at home. It's a motherfucking mini episode.

[David Borey]

It's a mini episode, baby. That's a good song, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Little Natasha Bedingfield.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. She's thicker than you remember.

[David Borey]

Really?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Big old ass.

[David Borey]

No, I didn't even know.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep, it was memed quite a bit. I think in the past, like, year or two, people started pointing out that Natasha Bedingfield is. Is very thick.

[David Borey]

Oh, God bless her.

[Langston Kerman]

Mm. You know who else thick, huh? Nelly Furtado. You lying Nellie Furtado. Got a dumper on her. Yeah.

[David Borey]

Really?

[Langston Kerman]

That's right.

[David Borey]

Is that I'm like a bird.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep.

[David Borey]

Had no idea. More like a hawk.

[Langston Kerman]

That you built like a ostrich. Look at that big old butt.

[David Borey]

Goddamn.

[Langston Kerman]

You can't fly away with that thing.

[David Borey]

Stuck to the ground. We got another email.

[Langston Kerman]

We got email and.

[David Borey]

No, we got a voicemail.

[Langston Kerman]

We got a voicemail. We got a lot of emails. We get a lot of voicemails. We appreciate all that you guys are sending. We're doing our best to, frankly, juggle all of them. So, please, it's worth saying, I think sometimes we don't get to cover every email and conversation on every episode, and that doesn't mean that we won't eventually get to it. But more importantly, it doesn't mean that we're not appreciative of you taking the time to communicate with us. We read them all, we listen to them all, and we. We sometimes are very uncomfortable with some of the things you guys say to us.

[David Borey]

You're very forward. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

A lot of you are calling drunk.

[David Borey]

That's the funniest. That is the craziest shit.

[Langston Kerman]

A lot of you are getting, like, for real drunk and then calling us, and it's like, all right, man, that's cool. I guess. I don't know.

[David Borey]

Yeah, it's like. I guess it's a fun thing to do when you're drunk.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I think the worry is that it feels like a lot of you are getting drunk alone, calling us.

[Langston Kerman]

Which I guess that's the only way you would call us if you were drunk with friends and you called us. That's weird as fuck.

[David Borey]

It just feels like some of you sounds like maybe you're drunk alone in a car. It's just. Let's. We gotta be careful.

[Langston Kerman]

And just because that car is also your bedroom doesn't mean you can call us in it. You gotta. You gotta chill.

[David Borey]

Yeah. But keep calling, though. Keep calling. Even if you get drunk and you're lonely and you want to talk to your two best Internet friends you never met.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's all welcome over here. We got a voicemail that we were excited about it's it's fascinating shit. Let's just play it.

[David Borey]

Yeah, let's get into it.

[Listener]

Yo, what's up, y'all? Love the show. I got a two parter. So the first one is just a question. I'm a Black dude. I'm 27. I grew up in the suburbs. And I just want to know, what was the Dipset era like?

[Langston Kerman]

Where were you?

[Listener]

Outside? What were you doing? What does this music mean?

[Langston Kerman]

What.

[Listener]

What does it feel like? I just got into it recently. Cause, you know, fuck it. Getting the new music and shit. And I just need to know the impact of this on our culture.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, let's pause right there.

[David Borey]

Huge.

[Langston Kerman]

It was huge for you.

[David Borey]

It was huge, period. I think I will say, though, that I was late because, as we've discussed before, I was trying to Talib Kweli my way to heaven, and I was like. I was kind of like a little bit. You know what I mean? A little like, I wear academics, clothing. And then, yeah, it was just such a beautiful wave that you couldn't. I mean, they're just so charming. They were just so charming.

[Langston Kerman]

I couldn't agree with you more. I. I, too, was late to the Dipset train. I guess I remember very distinctly almost getting into a fight at school because there was like, a lunch table I was sitting at where everybody was arguing about who the best rapper alive was. And at the time, everybody was like, Cam's like, is Jay and Cam it. Cam might be number one. It depends. Like, whatever. I was like, nigga, y'all are all wrong. It's Andre 3000. And the way that these wanted to.

[David Borey]

Fight me.

[Langston Kerman]

I like legit upset people where they were like, shut the up, Langston. You don't know what the you talking about. He's so much better. Come on, y'all. Listen. This.

[David Borey]

Yeah. You know you played them. What a job.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's like, yeah, they ain't trying to hear that shit.

[David Borey]

I will also argue that I think at the time, they were probably more right than you were.

[Langston Kerman]

I. I will. I will never concede that I think that anybody is a better rapper than Andre. But what I will concede is that I. It took Andre solo. Yeah.

[David Borey]

I think just the catalog is not big enough, though.

[Langston Kerman]

I just don't know that anybody could do what he does, man. He really is so distinct in the way that he even approaches the art form. I love it so much.

[David Borey]

I could tell.

[Langston Kerman]

I could tell. But I'll say that more importantly, it took years for me to recognize that rap isn't just Limited to lyricism and sort of an aesthetic and that there's a depth and an importance in hip hop to, like, being able to create energy and a vibe and, like, truly build these waves like Dipset and Cameron were able to do. And so, like, I recognize that, like, a rapper's influence and sort of, like, the lore that they're able to build around themselves is also their value as an artist.

[David Borey]

Right. And I mean, there was just. Andre doesn't have his version of, like, Let me Know, like, you know, there's no anthems.

[Langston Kerman]

There's no, like, forever quotables that he's sort of like, kicking around.

[David Borey]

No, and it's also like. It also feels like with Andre and maybe this is a testament to his art, you're like, no, you have to listen to the whole song. You know what I mean? It's always like, no, no, no. Happy Valentine's Day Day.

[Langston Kerman]

February 14th.

[David Borey]

Groove crowds best, though.

[Langston Kerman]

It's just.

[David Borey]

It's fun.

[Langston Kerman]

Life changing. For me, the love Below was. Still is in some ways, but I fully understand that, like, I was maybe living in a. In a little bubble at the time of, like. No, it's true artistry instead of recognizing that, like. Yeah, but that's not what the. That's not what the culture is asking for. The culture is asking for, like, a way to. For us all to see ourselves. And Cameron and Dipset were, I think, closer to that than what he was putting out.

[David Borey]

Yeah, it was. It was. I mean, I assume that. I hear that there are still rappers like this now, but it was like those. They were People were willing. People who had no affiliation to New York City or Harlem.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Were willing to die for that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

You know, just dudes who just dress like Jewel Santana at the Aurora Mall.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, and then the. The. The way that it influenced how we speak, like, literally, like, Dipset, like, Pause is the product of. Of some, you know, I mean, a Dipset era ass, like, movement that continues to this day. It's not like Cameron and Mace will chill out about it. Like, they really.

[David Borey]

No, they do it.

[Langston Kerman]

They're still in it, baby.

[David Borey]

And it was like, at that time, Cam, I mean, Peyton Full had just come out, like, he could really do anything. He was.

[Langston Kerman]

And he was a good actor in that movie.

[David Borey]

He was a great actor.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I don't think he can do anything else because he was just playing Cameron, but he was fucking great.

[David Borey]

He was. He went crazy. It was just like, at the. It was. It was a hopeful movement. It was exciting. Everybody was a part of it.

[Langston Kerman]

It was a fun time.

[David Borey]

Which is weird because you hear. I've heard that, like, what's his name? Who's the vampire?

[Langston Kerman]

Playboi Carti.

[David Borey]

I heard his fans are like that. I mean, I think there's always these rabid fan bases in hip hop that, like, young men will die for.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I think Cardi has a truly, like, fucking sycophant, like, ass fan base, but I don't. I don't. I can't do it.

[David Borey]

No. I can't be a fan of anything like that anymore.

[Langston Kerman]

I've, like, overly tried with Cardi specifically, and I do not get it. And I know that that's just me being old and washed, and I just can't figure it out, man.

[David Borey]

It does seem like, I will say this to the Dipset era versus, like, a Playboi Carti situation. It does feel like at that point the culture was broader, where it was, like, more for all ages. It wasn't such a select. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I feel like Jay, like, blueprint. Like, let's say blueprint, because that's like, that dropped 9, 11. We were in high school. Blueprint was like. I was listening to Jay z. I was 14. He was what, probably like, 30?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Jay Z started old.

[David Borey]

Yeah. So it was like, to that credit, those movements were like. And even. Even Cam and Jay. Maybe Cam's a little. But those movements, it seemed like they were a lot broader in scope than they are now. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I can't think of another person who dropped like that where it felt like everybody. I don't know, Kendrick, kind of good kid, Mad City, felt like everybody was on board with it, but it doesn't seem like it was that big. So what it felt like to be outside, all encompassing.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, it was really. I think all encompassing is a good word. Even as the contrarian that I was. And it sounds like you were at the time, unfortunately. Yeah. You could not avoid it. You could not sort of, like, wrestle with whatever was in front of us. So, yeah, 100% all encompassing is a great answer.

[David Borey]

And at some point you get sick of that guy at the party being like, no, no. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Let's play the fucking anthem again.

[Langston Kerman]

It sucks because, like, it's not like my favorite rapper. Your favorite rapper was Talib at the time. It's not like.

[David Borey]

Here's the issue. Well, I was just gonna say I don't think it was Talib. I wanted it. I wanted that to be what it.

[Langston Kerman]

Was you wanted a knit cap with a brim.

[David Borey]

But I. To be your for a second or just like trying to be like. No, I really love like Water for Chocolate and not like, it's a terrible album, but did I play that more than Get Rich or Die Trying? Hell no.

[Langston Kerman]

But that's the thing is like, even if you did, when you go to a party and there's baddies around, nobody wants to hear ticket that could at that.

[David Borey]

Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

I see you. Peace.

[David Borey]

Come on. Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

That's not it. Go ahead and play hey Ma. And let's get. Let's get to business. You know what I mean?

[David Borey]

And it's a great song. I'm 18 and live a crazy life. That's what you thought?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

No way.

[David Borey]

It's interesting to hear what the idea that somebody's getting on it now, though, and being. You know what I mean? Being like.

[Langston Kerman]

I can't imagine discovering Dipset right now. But maybe that's cool. Maybe it's just like a perfect type of nostalgia that you can just live in and celebrate.

[David Borey]

Yeah. And it's exciting. And they got a Christmas album. They were doing a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Damn.

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[Langston Kerman]

Well, should we finish this voicemail?

[David Borey]

Yeah, let's finish it for me.

[Listener]

She said that Dr. Umar is a CIA agent running a reverse Ronald Reagan Cobb on black America and pretty much that he's not who he says he is. He has not built the Pan African school and the niggas just running around doing whatever he wants finding women on IG Live. And that's a little bit of his true purpose.

[David Borey]

So it cut off within that. I say it doesn't have to be some reverse Reagan scheme for him to just be running around looking for women on IG Live.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I agree. That's.

[David Borey]

You know what I mean? I think it could, I think it could truly just be that and some decent points being made.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think, I think he can be a scoundrel without being a CIA operative. And, and I think the CIA has never spoken to Dr. Umar once. That's, that's my feeling is, is they, they know frankly that they can't control whatever that is well enough to, to empower it to, to like do their bidding. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not, that's not how that works.

[David Borey]

And I think that a lot of times with someone who is. Position themselves as like a teacher or whatever, their humanity will take them out more than any government operation. You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

These people will be found to be flawed because they're people.

[Langston Kerman]

I also think not for nothing, there's plenty to critique in Umar, but he does love black people. It's not like that dude is like actively working against us. I just think he Loves himself and money, obviously, a lot more than anything. And that's a different conversation. But I think at its core this is a dude who deeply, deeply does care about the things that he claims to represent. He just doesn't care enough to solve problems.

[David Borey]

Agreed. Agreed.

[Langston Kerman]

Completely.

[David Borey]

I think, I think a lot of times we try to do it, make it like a this or that situation, you know what I mean? Like. Like a, like. Oh, he's. He's either for the system or he's against it or whatever. And it's like. I don't know, man. It's just. I think he's just a guy, but I do, I do. To your credit. Yeah. Your point? Yeah. I think he. I think he truly loves. I think he deeply cares and all that. I think, you know.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Just fuck with these holes on IG Live.

[Langston Kerman]

And I think, I think there's no world where. Where Dr. Umar goes into the CIA and lets a white man tell him what to do and how to do it. He now facts.

[David Borey]

I don't, I don't. I don't think that little of him that. You know what I mean? I don't think that, that, that's like, that's. That's a nasty thing. That's a nasty, nasty thing.

[Langston Kerman]

I also think, not for nothing, I think if he were a CIA operative, he'd be bigger. Like, Dr. Umar is sort of like locally big, but I don't actually think that he's that big of a name in the global sense. And I think that he'd be closer to like what Candace Owens is, who does feel much more like a intentional plant on the part of like media. Certainly I'm not going to call it CIA because I think that some of that branch is in a more complex way than I know how to articulate, but I certainly think that there's a lot of people who are actively attempting to destroy communities that are being uplifted in a way that feels false. Whereas like a Dr. Umar feels truly like he built it all on his own. That dude just built a groundswell of people who believed in his school or thought he was really, really funny, even as he's saying this ridiculous shit. And we just. He's a reflection of our own sickness more than he is a bad dude who was planted on us.

[David Borey]

Yeah, agreed. So, you know, give Dr. Umar some space is what I'm saying. You don't gotta do all that.

[Langston Kerman]

Go ahead. Back that thing off, Vumar, man.

[David Borey]

Come on. It ain't gotta be all that.

[Langston Kerman]

We are big fans over Here, we've said it before. Dr. Umar is always welcome on the podcast. We've attempted to have him on the podcast, and it would have cost us more money than we care to discuss online. But certainly if we ever come up with that money, Dr. Umar will be here and you'll know we are rich now.

[David Borey]

Yeah, probably one of the last five episodes.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Our use it or lose it clause is gonna kick in, and we're really gonna go crazy.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta spend the last of that budget before December 31st. But yeah, man, I don't know. I loved it. Umar dipset was crazy. Talib also just a guy.

[Langston Kerman]

Just a guy who apparently acts up on Twitter.

[David Borey]

I was a teenager. I was a teen. I was just looking for hope. My dad was 5, 8. I didn't know what to do.

[Langston Kerman]

I get it. I was with you. I thought that whole backpack era of hip hop was the ultimate salvation to everything. And I was wrong.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I now know I was wrong.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that's okay. And it's just music. No rapper's gonna save us, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah, man. And that's what you figure out, I think, as you get older, is you go, oh, these are. None of. These are saviors.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah. They work in the music industry.

[Langston Kerman]

These are adult men who got attention too early in their lives and are really dealing with an odd type of arrested development. Good beats, good beats, good beats. Killer outfits.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Nice rhymes.

[David Borey]

Shout out to the beanie with the brim.

[Langston Kerman]

Beanie with the brim, baby.

[David Borey]

Did you ever have one? I never actually had one. No, it was.

[Langston Kerman]

I knew that was a mistake.

[David Borey]

It was just. It couldn't. It just. It just. It was just not okay.

[Langston Kerman]

You know, there was a lot I didn't know. I knew that one was. Was bad.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean? Like, I knew that was a huge mistake. I stayed away from it, and this.

[David Borey]

Might be for another day. I just do want to put this out there and we could think about it. Didn't it seem like at that age smart people were wearing brown?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Isn't that crazy? What was that?

[Langston Kerman]

I think you think about, like, what Common and most deaf were doing, and it was a lot of, like, earth tones and sort of like, knits. And I think. I think when you didn't have enough money to truly replicate the, like, crocheted sweaters that Common had on, you're like, well, what is the closest thing brown?

[David Borey]

Yeah, I just wear this Padres T shirt.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I think I just put on that. You know, I'm of the earth I am of the essence.

[David Borey]

It's a tone from the ground baby.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah yeah. Smart people wear brown.

[David Borey]

Yeah. To this day you want to tell.

[Langston Kerman]

The people where they can find you. What cool.

[David Borey]

Yeah man. Cool guy jokes. 87 Instagram patreon.com davidbory March 1 I'll be at the Carco Theater in Renton, Washington. March 14 I will be at the Comedy Commonwealth in Dayton, Kentucky. And March 15 I will be at the Comedy Corner Underground in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell yeah. You can follow me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. You can see me March 27th through the 29th in Vermont at the Vermont Comedy Club. And you can send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories. You could tell us what other color smart people aware and send it all to mymamapodmail.com we would love to hear from you. You can give us a call at 844-Love-Moms. You can rate. You can like you can subscribe, you can review, you can buy some merch. You can blow us little kisses over the Internet and maybe blow us kisses in person someday. And you can go bye bitch.

[David Borey]

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