Is Shannon Sharpe Hiding a Nasty Little Secret (with Langston Kerman and David) RE-RELEASE

Summary

My Momma Told Me: Is Shannon Sharpe Hiding a Nasty Little Secret (Re-Released) – July 31, 2025

In this compelling and thought-provoking episode of My Momma Told Me, hosted by Langston Kerman and David Borey from the Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts, the duo delves deep into a captivating mix of cultural conspiracies, personal anecdotes, and societal critiques centered around the recent controversies involving sports personality Shannon Sharpe.

1. The Dallas Shag vs. The Mullet Conspiracy

The episode kicks off with an intriguing discussion about the origins of popular hairstyles, specifically the Dallas Shag and the Mullet. David Borey introduces a conspiracy theory suggesting that the Dallas Shag, a distinctive Black haircut, predates the more widely adopted Mullet, which he claims was introduced to the white community by "known government conspirator Billy Ray Cyrus" to undermine Black cultural strength.

• David Borey ([04:48]): "We finally work to prove that the Dallas shag predates the mullet."

• Langston Kerman ([05:23]): "That had like JFK shooting level twists and turns in it."

This playful yet analytical exploration sets the tone for the episode, blending humor with cultural analysis.

2. Personal Anecdotes and Cultural Identity

The hosts share personal stories that highlight the complexities of cultural identity and expression within the Black community. David recounts an experience at a local Walmart, where he observes mixed reactions to a Dallas Shag hairstyle, reflecting broader societal perceptions and internal community debates about identity and self-expression.

• David Borey ([06:52]): "You know where that came from? Me and my girl went to one of the more ratchet Walmarts in our area and we saw a Dallas Shag and very conflicting opinions on it."

Langston adds depth to the conversation by emphasizing the importance of authenticity in cultural expression and the challenges of maintaining cultural identity in diverse settings.

• Langston Kerman ([08:55]): "I do think it needs to look elevated. And I think oftentimes, at least to me, it's treated just as like an additional piece of hair."

3. Shannon Sharpe Controversy: Staged or Genuine?

The heart of the episode revolves around the controversy surrounding Shannon Sharpe's alleged behavior during an Instagram Live session, where he was seen engaging in intimate activities with a woman he referred to as "Michelle." Langston and David examine theories suggesting that the event may have been staged to quell rumors or manipulate public perception.

• Langston Kerman ([32:15]): "Shannon Sharpe obviously has been acting a goddamn fool all across the Internet as of late, largely connected to his sort of like, constant defense and advocacy for Caitlin Clark."

• David Borey ([37:05]): "So, like, I think it has to be sh. Staged."

They debate the plausibility of the incident being an unintended live stream mishap versus a deliberate act orchestrated for personal or public image reasons. The discussion touches on the potential motivations behind such actions, including the desire to maintain a specific persona within the public eye.

4. Masculinity, Sexuality, and Repression in the Black Community

Transitioning from the Shannon Sharpe discussion, the hosts delve into a broader analysis of masculinity and sexuality within the Black community. They discuss the societal pressures that enforce hyper-masculine stereotypes, leading to repression of genuine self-expression and the internal conflict faced by Black men in reconciling societal expectations with personal identity.

• David Borey ([49:24]): "The shame is in a lot of this."

• Langston Kerman ([53:15]): "But living under that, even as a joke, is a burden that it feels heavy to carry to me, bro."

The conversation highlights the detrimental effects of these pressures, including the suppression of authenticity and the mental health challenges that arise from living under such constraints. The hosts advocate for a more open and accepting environment where Black men can express themselves freely without fear of judgment or repercussion.

5. Societal Impacts and Path Forward

Langston and David conclude by discussing the societal implications of these cultural and personal struggles. They emphasize the need for community support and understanding to foster an environment where individuals feel safe to explore and express their true selves.

• Langston Kerman ([62:27]): "And only a few of us are brave enough to actually do it. And that's on us."

• David Borey ([53:24]): "And that's the burden that I feel. Like we're. And that's one thing that is truly racial. And I don't think it's like classist or. I think it cuts through everything through to this thing at your core where you're like, you can be silly in certain places and venues, but overall the stakes to my behavior are very high."

They call for a collective effort to dismantle the oppressive norms that enforce these damaging stereotypes, stressing the importance of self-acceptance and community-led change.

Conclusion

This episode of My Momma Told Me offers a nuanced exploration of cultural identity, societal expectations, and personal authenticity within the Black community. Through engaging dialogue and insightful analysis, Langston Kerman and David Borey encourage listeners to reflect on the pressures that shape their identities and advocate for a more inclusive and understanding society. The inclusion of notable quotes throughout the episode underscores the depth and sincerity of the hosts' discussions, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of culture, identity, and societal norms.

Notable Quotes:

• David Borey ([04:48]): "We finally work to prove that the Dallas shag predates the mullet."
• Langston Kerman ([05:23]): "That had like JFK shooting level twists and turns in it."
• David Borey ([37:05]): "So, like, I think it has to be sh. Staged."
• Langston Kerman ([53:15]): "But living under that, even as a joke, is a burden that it feels heavy to carry to me, bro."

This episode not only entertains but also educates, prompting listeners to question and reassess their perceptions and the societal constructs that influence them.

Transcript

[David Borey]

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[David Borey]

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[David Borey]

Also, follow me on this. Hood rats don't abortion your womb. We need more warriors soon. Sent from the stars, sun and the moon. But in who was shooting at him? It means he was shooting at a black guy. So we need more war. We need more warriors in the war on black. On black guys. He didn't kill any white guys in that video. Which is really my only issue.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You're saying that this is NAS more spreading self hatred than.

[David Borey]

I'm saying I don't know what the fuck happened. I say I don't know what the fuck happened in that video. I'm old enough that I can finally admit it. I didn't get it.

[Langston Kerman]

Nobody got it, man. And that's. That's what made it so beautiful. Nas was like, put a goat in it.

[David Borey]

Listen, I'm just gonna put a T shirt on my head, say some numbers about guns. They'll get it.

[Langston Kerman]

Let me just see what happens if I put a goat in. No. Okay. Loser goat. Loser goat.

[David Borey]

The government growing babies.

[Langston Kerman]

Microchips in your anus.

[David Borey]

All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money. Marshes invented turkey stuffing. Y' all can't tell me nothing But I gotta be strong. But I gotta be strong. Girl, you did me wrong When I thought we were really down. There it is. There it is. Welcome, little mamas and gentiles alike, to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told.

[Langston Kerman]

Me the podcast, where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy.

[David Borey]

Theories and we finally work to prove that the Dallas shag predates the mullet. A haircut that was introduced to the white community by known government conspirator Billy Ray Cyrus. To add the popularity of the other one. Because the government knew that the work life balance struck between the business in the front, party in the back lifestyle would render the black man too strong. My name is David Boy.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh. My name is Langston Kerman. And I'm stunned.

[David Borey]

Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

That had like JFK shooting level twists and turns in it, you know what I mean? Like, you really built a narrative. There were more than one shooter in that story. And I got to really unpack this. So what you're saying is that the black man shag. The Dallas. How did you refer to it?

[David Borey]

The Dallas shag.

[Langston Kerman]

The Dallas shag is in Fact, the predecessor, it is the original Shaggy and the white man usurped this, much like.

[David Borey]

Rock and roll.

[Langston Kerman]

Demanded it become their own to keep us from growing stronger as a people.

[David Borey]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

Wow.

[David Borey]

Because the core of it is the work life balance.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And that type of balance would make us too powerful.

[David Borey]

Too powerful.

[Langston Kerman]

We would loose ourselves from sort of the restraints of the white man and his order, as it were.

[David Borey]

They either want you working or not.

[Langston Kerman]

Fuck you.

[David Borey]

Walk that line.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just at home drinking a Heineken that you can afford. Nah, we don't like that.

[David Borey]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They want you to kill yourself for that Cristal or drink that eight ball and not go anywhere.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm here for it. There we go. I'm bought in.

[David Borey]

You know where that came from? Me and my girl went to one of the more ratchet Walmarts in our area and we saw a Dallas Swag and very conflicting opinions on it. My girl was like, did you see that? And I was like. At kind of at the same time, I was like, it was amazing. And she was like, that's gross.

[Langston Kerman]

But okay, let's unpack amazing for you because I tend to agree with her. I think it's a huge mistake that any man should be deeply, deeply ashamed of. That said, what is the amazing for you? Are you, like, physically, I am attracted to that look, or you're like, no, that's amazing that he's being himself.

[David Borey]

I appreciate.

[Langston Kerman]

When.

[David Borey]

Black men's. It's an all natural haircut that's inventive, and I think that's pretty cool. I think it's. Do I. Would I do it if my girl had reacted differently? Yes. The issue. My issue with the shag is that it has two components that I've never been able to lock down in my life. That's why I couldn't do it.

[Langston Kerman]

What are the two components?

[David Borey]

Afro and waves. I've never really successfully completed either.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you're saying that just to have the shag but not. But not be wavy as fuck would be a disservice. It wouldn't do it. Okay. Okay. I can meet you somewhere near in the middle then. I do think it needs to look. It needs to look elevated. And I think oftentimes, at least to me, it's treated just as like an additional piece of hair. And I don't like when it just looks like, oh, you just said, hey, leave that. I'm gonna keep that.

[David Borey]

Yeah. This one, My man, he was shining. It was like, man, it was like a neat puff in the back. It was. It was well done.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, I need you to be in a shirt with like, three buttons open. You know what I mean? Like, I want you to fully be bought into the character, and then I can fuck with that. But I'm saying that, like, that ain't no grocery store look. Do you know what I mean? Like, you can't just be a guy in your sweats doing that and that.

[David Borey]

He was clean as hell, though.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I'm saying. I support that.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I think if you're gonna do that, you have to get a lineup every week.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta be a lineup every week. You gotta really buy into the character. You gotta. You gotta. You gotta start, like, you gotta start calling girls Ms. Ma'. Am. You know what I mean?

[David Borey]

Like, you gotta really non Prescription Cartiers.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you gotta really be a fucking dude after a while.

[David Borey]

Which is fine. She also noted there were a lot of Africans in the store. Didn't care for that either.

[Langston Kerman]

Same energy at the shed.

[David Borey]

No, no, no, no. She's just like. But I was just. I'm just so sensitive. I realized this about myself. I'm so sensitive. She's like, there's a lot of Africans in there. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? But the problem is, I did notice. I was like, this is all.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn, man, these culture wars gotta end. This is crazy.

[David Borey]

I'm a living contradiction. I feel like I'm mixed.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, I get you.

[David Borey]

I got you African and American. That might be the second one to black and white. That might be the second most difficult one.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa, you think so that, like, just the challenges of connecting are that deep?

[David Borey]

I think at times you very much will butt up against it. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, let me ask you this. This is maybe a fascinating question for the African American sort of like, transition of it for the mixed kids. We always talk about how the mom is such a big determinant in whether a mixed kid turn out decent or not. That, like, if white mom, black dad, you get a Patrick Mahomes.

[David Borey]

I've heard that.

[Langston Kerman]

I've heard that every time. Whereas, like, black mom, white dad, you get much closer to the. The sort of, like, ideal concoction of mixed behavior. You know what I mean?

[David Borey]

You hit the sweet spot.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you hit a sweet spot where you're like, ah, that motherfucker. He gets it because he had a black lady yelling at him. Vers. A white appeaser. You know what I mean? Like, it's not. It's a very different vibe, I think. And so I wonder if there's any calculation inside of the African to African American that you're speaking to.

[David Borey]

I don't know, because I had an African mom and a not present father.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh.

[David Borey]

So it's like when my mom got here young. So I think even within her, it's like. Cause she got here when she was 18. So I think even within her, the give and take is pretty big. You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

Yes. She's also struggling to make peace with this other element. And then you are struggling subsequently because that's a stacking of struggling, not a.

[David Borey]

And then if you want to get deep into it because of the war. I didn't really know a lot of my family like that. So I grew up. When I was younger, it was more Africans, but probably by the time I got to elementary school, it was far more Americans in my life than African people.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn.

[David Borey]

So then it's like, might as well do some standup comedy about it. Birth of a Nation, available at patreon.com DavidBory is very funny.

[Langston Kerman]

I just picture you after a while, just staring in the mirror, being like, what am I?

[David Borey]

I have like a grape soda and a glass banter in one hand. Oh, God, I smashed them both on the mirror. I should have rapped, bro. I could have had videos that visual. That's enough for a BET Award, at least.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know. It depends what era you rap in. Because right now they would shoot you in the streets for that goofy shit. But, man, we had a good run where hip hop could be, like, real, just, like metaphorical and corny. And it was beautiful, man.

[David Borey]

You remember the one mic video?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Come on. As far as pseudo deep, that's the peak of that.

[Langston Kerman]

It was so cool and. And we would laugh so hard at it. You know what I mean? If it came out right now, it was so.

[David Borey]

It felt important at the time. Why was he in Africa?

[Langston Kerman]

I was like, honestly, I think he might get an Oscar for this shit. I think, bro, I think they're going to open up the categories. I really think what Nas just did is transforming the film industry. And we have to all acknowledge it.

[David Borey]

Marty Scorsese takes some notes. You want to construct a narrative?

[Langston Kerman]

Come on.

[David Borey]

Check out what my man nas did in 2 minutes and 48 seconds. A song that truly, I am not sure I know what it's about.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't think he knew. He started doing weird.

[David Borey]

He starts yelling, and that's all it takes for me, dawg.

[Langston Kerman]

He did that. I have listened to him talk about the dying at 33 Jesus math shit so many times. I don't know what he's adding. I don't know what he's subtracting. No point was proven to me in any way. And when he said Jesus died at 33, that was the end of it. Like the. All the shit. I was like, Man, 16.

[David Borey]

One of my guns was holding 17. What's crazy? And I don't even know if the math adds up to what he says, let alone the gun math, bro. I don't know gun math.

[Langston Kerman]

I know the 16 plus 11 in the chamber, sure.

[David Borey]

Oh, okay, that makes sense.

[Langston Kerman]

But what the fuck did it add up to?

[David Borey]

I don't know. It added up to a fiend dropping his Heineken.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, all right, man, I don't know what this is, but fuck, you're a genius.

[David Borey]

He did love talking about Jesus. Remember he had the video that was another Nas video that I thought was important was the Hate me now, hate me now because he was on the cross for. In hindsight, I don't know what reason.

[Langston Kerman]

You know, a Nas, and it's not even really a Nas video, but a video that featured Nas, that. That always comes to mind for him is that that Missy Elliott song, the Hot Boys. Hot Boys. He was in the video because they only did the video for the remix, I think.

[David Borey]

And.

[Langston Kerman]

And, man, that his verse in that with all the fire going off, and I was like, man, this is cool. This is. This, brother is. He got it.

[David Borey]

Oh, man, that shit was so good that we forgot about Q Tips first.

[Langston Kerman]

I couldn't tell you what Q Tip was talking about. Forgot he was there.

[David Borey]

That's what we need, I think. Can I say, and this is. Maybe this is going to make us sound bad. Yeah, I think we're kind of scratching the same itch for people.

[Langston Kerman]

Say more.

[David Borey]

I think that we scratch that. Like, this is really smart, but is it really?

[Langston Kerman]

No. Ah, yeah. You're saying we are offering them the one mic video twice a week. And yeah, they're like. They're like, man, this shit is deep, huh? And then you listen to a hundred episodes and you're like, I think these. I think these niggas are dumb. I don't think they talking about nothing.

[David Borey]

How many episodes do you think it takes for them to find out we're kind of dumb?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, I think. I think four.

[David Borey]

Come on, brother, we gotta sell tickets for this tour. It's gotta be more than four.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you think they're you think they're going longer than four? I think I just don't believe in myself so much that I'm like, you're gonna figure it out pretty fast that I'm a fucking idiot.

[David Borey]

I think you get through 10 before you find out we don't read.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa. 10's pretty good.

[David Borey]

I think 10. But you are not, in a condescending way, very articulate. Sometimes you talk, and I'm like, damn.

[Langston Kerman]

I must be stupid.

[David Borey]

We just did a podcast for some whites as about 10 words the whole time, and you had reasonings for everything. All your thoughts were grouped. I was like, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Look, but that is admittedly my trick. That's the game that I figured out when I was younger was like, oh, I gotta. If I learn to talk to people and if I learn to sound smart, when I do, it will. Will fold in. In ways that I could not control otherwise. I've done it like, yeah, I'm gonna get real fancy. I'm gonna learn words that I can apply at odd times. I'm gonna make motherfuckers feel like I'm on some brilliant shit, when in fact, I'm just making this up as a go, baby.

[David Borey]

That's good, because my. I think this is why we work good together. My thing that people think that I'm smart about is I can take something that's very complicated and simplify it down, but it's just because I don't get it. So it's like. I'm like, you're throwing all these science terms at me. I have to equate it to, like, drinking a bottle of liquor at a party. Like, that's the only way that I can understand the science of global warming.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta shave that ice down to make a picture.

[David Borey]

We gotta talk flat. Because, like, in where you dove deep into it, I went the other way. Cause then I'm like, if I just peek plainly and very directly, then they'll have to think I understand what's going on.

[Langston Kerman]

Right? Brother, you ain't gotta use autumn words with me. You're talking to. You're talking to a man who's already here. That's why I equate it to something local, to my personal. In my personal past. How about that?

[David Borey]

But I think it's gonna work. I really think we're gonna become rich off of this or at least not have to go back to working at the gas station.

[Langston Kerman]

I sure hope so. I really do think that it's a wonderful trick that we're pulling, and I pray that we continue to pull it off.

[David Borey]

And I would love to say, by the way, listeners out there, if you have a trick to make you seem smarter than you actually are, email us. We're always looking to build.

[Langston Kerman]

We need a strong team of liars and rascals. And if you can prove that your trickery is that much of an asset, there might be a position for you here at My Mama Told Me.

[David Borey]

Truly, truly. Because let me tell you, I was like 32 years old before I understood what people meant by fast talking. And that is a trick I wish I had. I love it when people get to going fast. Oh, I love that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, listen, some of the best are motherfuckers that can just finesse a conversation.

[David Borey]

You're like, man, that's what comedy is. That's every stand up comedian you like. That's all the skill is.

[Langston Kerman]

And I think that's, that's why when our listeners, and we're going to go to a break in a second. But that's why for our listeners who ever wonder about our cynicism as it relates to comedy, your heroes we sometimes make, we make light of, of maybe some of the choices that our peers are making at times. And, and you wonder why, why are they like that? Are they just two haters? Well, yes, that's one thing. That's a big part of it. But the other part of it is we know that we're all fucking idiots. So when you call our friends and people we work with brilliant and you say how they are the true philosophers in the world. No, the fuck they're not. We're idiots.

[David Borey]

These things is addicted to Adderall.

[Langston Kerman]

They're so, so dumb. And, and I like their comedy. I enjoy the art form we've chosen because we all know how stupid we are and how fundamentally insane it is that you even pay attention.

[David Borey]

That's the best part. People. There are smart people who research things. Listen to them for your life advice or whatever. You want to hear some goofy shit that's not quite accurate, then come over to, come over here.

[Langston Kerman]

You would do better doing TEDx. Not even the TED talks. TEDx talks are certainly more likely researched and grounded than anything we're talking about.

[David Borey]

Are the TEDx talks for dumb people? Is that what it is?

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's like it's the less than ted, if that makes sense. It like it was TED opening it up to like a broader spectrum of local voices and shit where you could still be an expert, quote unquote. But it's not the same tier as a TED talk.

[David Borey]

Okay. Would you do a TedX?

[Langston Kerman]

I hope not to.

[David Borey]

I think some of our, I think comedians have done them.

[Langston Kerman]

I think a lot of comedians have done them. But I don't think that anybody is like blown away when you're like, yeah, I did a TedX. I think I don't want to. I probably don't deserve in any way to be doing a ted, but certainly if I do it, I got to go TED all the way.

[David Borey]

Okay. Olivia says TED conferences are run By Ted While TedX events are locally organized by volunteers. Oh, okay. In that case, Denver, Colorado, I'll be doing a TedX.

[Langston Kerman]

Ain't no pay off top. Okay, Denver. We are TedXing.

[David Borey]

We gotta take a break and then we'll come back and we'll get into a conspiracy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, let's talk a conspiracy.

[David Borey]

All right. We'll be back.

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[David Borey]

Here'S what I say and let's bring, let's bring it back. On this hilarious con, we just cut out a comment that I made that was hilarious.

[Langston Kerman]

It was one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life. It's like top 10 for me right now of things, funny things that somebody said. You know the scale changes every day.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah. It's always changing.

[Langston Kerman]

It's high. It is high on the list. That was the Wilt Chamberlain of funny things. You can't deny it.

[David Borey]

No, you just, you gotta go to the fire. You gotta go through the fire. That's weird. You guys didn't hear it, but just know we're here and we're having the important conversations so that you can take these and you can go back to your Thanksgivings and your holidays and you can be armed to talk to your bigot family members because two known smart men have already discussed these things for you. Men that you think are genius, men.

[Langston Kerman]

You already know have done the work.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that's exit. That's it. That's why this works, is because we work.

[Langston Kerman]

Because we work. We. Before the episode got into, I think an exciting discussion about a conspiracy theory that obviously has been circling for a few weeks now, we were prompted by some of Shannon Sharp, your hero, I.

[David Borey]

Would say, don't do that to me.

[Langston Kerman]

Your king.

[David Borey]

My hero's not a tight end.

[Langston Kerman]

Shannon Sharpe obviously has been acting a goddamn fool all across the Internet as of late, largely connected to his sort of like, constant defense and advocacy for Caitlin Clark. He is constantly sort of raging about how mistreated and underappreciated Caitlin Clark is. And a lot of black women in particular have been very unhappy with Shannon. Sort of like making this constant effort to rage for a white woman, all the while ignoring the hundreds of black women also in that league.

[David Borey]

And it's, I mean, listen, you know the game better than me. Is she underrated?

[Langston Kerman]

She, she kind of was at a point, but not in a way that needed what he was doing. Do you know what I mean? Where, like, she came from college. And she's nasty. Just objectively, nobody argues otherwise. She is very, very good at basketball, but she also was on a team that was shitty in the beginning and was building, and so they were losing a lot. And she wasn't yet sort of in the swing the way that she's now in the swing. So his from the beginning was like, this is a, you know, like a rookie showing, like, upper tier leadership protection potential. We should be celebrating and going crazy also. She's the most famous player in the league, so we should follow that. And then now her shit, her expectations have, like, grown, and so it kind of matches. You know what I mean?

[David Borey]

Do you feel like Angel Reese is underrated? This is actually not what we were talking about. I'm sorry.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's okay. I, I, I don't think Angel Reese is underrated now, but I think that she was also underrated in the beginning. And I think it took her literally breaking the rebound record for people to start treating her more seriously than I think they would have been treating her if it was just like a rookie in the league who was dominating a lot of games.

[David Borey]

Okay. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about him fucking on camera.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Well, yeah. So Shannon's been getting in trouble, but you asked the question. And the conspiracy we sort of got into is the question of whether or not the, the VideoTape, the alleged IG live that circulated of him fucking on that lady, saying that's my Michelle, was in fact staged. Whether or not this whole thing was a big ruse.

[David Borey]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

Where do you fall in this theory?

[David Borey]

Well, I will say I thought his cardio was better. Sounds like me fucking and.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, wait a minute. I've always thought of Shannon as a showman. I'll be honest with you. I thought that.

[David Borey]

Oh, you think he was putting on a show for It.

[Langston Kerman]

I think he put on a little show for it. I think Shannon. Shannon is very much a man who likes to give them ladies what. What he thinks they believe they need.

[David Borey]

Spreading apart, like a quarter to three. Old joke.

[Langston Kerman]

Because he's got to, like, put on these. You know what I mean? Like, I think he does that every single time, even if he's not in the mood for spreading a part. And.

[David Borey]

Oh, it wasn't. Oh, yeah, me too. I think here's the thing about going live. At some point, it's because you touched that button. It would have gone live from when you touched that button. Your phone wouldn't be across the room when you were fucking, and it just starts going live.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That's why I don't believe it.

[Langston Kerman]

I've only gone on to other people's lives. I've never, like, gone live myself.

[David Borey]

Because it's embarrassing.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, yeah, I'd feel a certain type of low that I don't know that I could undo just sitting there doing that weight thing that people be doing. Yeah. What's up? What's up, Nick? Hey.

[David Borey]

Every. Every time I just. Every time I accidentally click on somebody's Live and it says, you can request to join this person's Live, I'm like, I would rather kill myself. It is like I'm talking about my friends.

[Langston Kerman]

Truly, that. That fucking weight is so brutal for me that I could not even imagine getting to enough people that I would feel satisfied with starting to talk.

[David Borey]

Yes. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's my worst nightmare.

[David Borey]

It seems terrible.

[Langston Kerman]

Just waiting for a few more people to hop in, then we gonna get started.

[David Borey]

Like, whoa, man, that's a tough sentence. Whoa, tough sentence. That's a tough set. But when they call out, looks like we got about 85 people on here.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's good. That's good.

[David Borey]

And this is because I'm sensitive. My ego can't take that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, it's not. Look, man, if that is part of the game, you do the game that. This is not us telling you not to survive however you feel it best suits you to survive. But truly, the idea of personally doing that is one of my greatest nightmares.

[David Borey]

There's a reason I don't have a lot of Instagram followers. It's because, I don't know, I'm not willing to do the things.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, well, yeah, and that's.

[David Borey]

That's my problem, buddy.

[Langston Kerman]

You and me both. But, yes, the live is, number one, not a thing that ends up across the room, and number two is not something that is easy to do. It's like, actually like, multiple steps before you can go live. It's not just like, oh, my butt tapped a button and suddenly we're live type shit.

[David Borey]

I understand accidentally sending, like, a dirty picture because you're in the frenzy of text messaging. Who hasn't? Who amongst us? Right. But to go live on accident and for the phone to not be anywhere near your hand, like, it wasn't like he accidentally went live and then, like, set the phone down and started fucking. Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[David Borey]

So, like, I. I think it has to be sh. Staged.

[Langston Kerman]

Now, some people have been claiming that there's some sort of scam. Like, people are hacking into these phones and making them go live.

[David Borey]

But how'd they know when he was fucking?

[Langston Kerman]

That's my issue, is that it's.

[David Borey]

It's true, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And it's not like, oh, well, we do this all the time with him. And so, like, we. We just so happen to this time get him fucking. It's the only time it's ever happened and he happens to be fucking across the room on his phone. That feels a little convenient, personally.

[David Borey]

Yeah. And I think. And all this is to. What we were talking about before is that it feels like people were coming at him, claiming for him to be whatever the term you would like to call it, queer, whatever you want to use. And it feels like this was to sort of dispel those rumors.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Which is sad, I think, was what we were saying.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the conspiracy, is that. Is that he is not pretending to be having sex with this woman for no reason. He's pretending to have sex with this woman and saying, that's my Michelle, repeatedly naming her as a sort of red herring, an illusion for what he actually is, which is a gay man who has gay sex.

[David Borey]

And I don't think that's true either. But I do think that, like, this sexual pocket watching has really got us all mixed up in a way that seems to be doing a lot more harm than us. Because, like, I think it's cool if Shannon Sharpe fucks any. You know what I mean? He's an old, buff, rich guy who never committed to a family. He should be fucking everything that isn't tied down.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That's why you do that. That's why you get buff old and don't have a family.

[Langston Kerman]

He has no responsibilities to anyone but himself. He should. He should fuck whoever he wants.

[David Borey]

He should be going crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

It would make perfect sense. No one would. No one should. And this is the problem. No one should question it, even for a Second, but he. And this is what we talked about represents this such massive, important figure for sort of heterosexual black men that the very idea of Shannon Sharpe being queer is like a prison for us. It's truly is like destroying us.

[David Borey]

Just because it's like it's its own form of bondage. I think, like. I think that's its own trap, right? Like, if that's a part of yourself that you're repressing and you can't be free to explore that, which is a pretty innate need or whatever. Like, how can you ever be free?

[Langston Kerman]

Right?

[David Borey]

How can you ever feel like you're yourself?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, this is.

[David Borey]

This is.

[Langston Kerman]

It is the most. One of the more animal parts of us. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's the most animal shit that we can't. Like, even uncooked slightly. Sex is so fundamental in who we are, and we can't control it and can't stop it. The urge, it will always exist in us. And the idea that you're repressing even a portion of that is so sad.

[David Borey]

And it seems to have a lot of consequences. I think we've seen time and time again, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Like, repressing that part of yourself and that's what's sad, is like, I don't know, man. We just like. And now I feel corny because I don't do anything. I'm actually pretty vanilla. I'm not even as exciting as rappers, which. Does that hurt? Yeah, a little bit. Because we're all living under this crazy hyper masculine thing, masculinity thing, where it's like, if you don't want to do pussy all day, every day, something's wrong with you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I feel the same way.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that's crazy. I never wanted to get laid as much as rappers did. He's like, honestly, it takes more time than I'm willing to give to it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I definitely like it a lot. A lot, a lot. But it isn't all consuming for me. There are so many things that I see and am motivated by, and sometimes those things help me circle back to that sweet pussy I've been looking for. But. But it ain't. It isn't for me as fun without also the other cool shit that I get to do, like pussy for the second, pussy feels empty.

[David Borey]

Yeah. And I think that especially as a black, I don't know about. I feel like being in my early, early 20s as a black man, you felt like this is supposed to be the point of your life. And if you find that lacking for me, it does make you feel like you're like, is there something wrong with me?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

You know what I mean? Like, am I. Am I. I must not be healthy. I must not be.

[Langston Kerman]

Whatever. I ain't a real man if. If I don't feel all these real man urges for constant pussy.

[David Borey]

Yeah. And then when you get older, the guys who are still doing that, you're like, damn, I feel. It doesn't. It's not. It's not good.

[Langston Kerman]

No. It looks bad after a while where you're like, oh, oh, big man. I doubted myself early, but I'm centered now. I get that. I'm okay.

[David Borey]

What are you proving? I don't think it's like, you get to an age at some point where you're like, I don't think it's cool that you get pussy anymore.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Hey, man, chill out. You had your fill. Move down the buffet line.

[David Borey]

For the love of God. Where is your son?

[Langston Kerman]

There's only so many slices of honey baked ham that that man is going to cut off for you. And after a while, you got to move off the buffet line.

[David Borey]

I mean, it speaks to like. But I mean, like, people talk about it, right? Did you read We Real Cool?

[Langston Kerman]

Of course. Yeah.

[David Borey]

She talks about it a lot, which was the first time bell hooks talks about it, which is the first time I had ever heard anybody talk about it, specifically with the black man. And, like, what you're looking for is intimacy, but you go through sex, and you'll always find yourself wanting. So you won't ever. Because, like, it is like. It's just that hypersexualization. That shit's crushing us, man, because it doesn't give you space to explore the rest of what you could be.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's like the biggest fucking thing that holds men back. It truly is, like, number one on the call sheet. The thing that's ruining us most is our unwillingness to fucking. Just not be men all the time as we define them.

[David Borey]

And how do we beat that? Or can we beat that?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know. I don't know if it's possible, to be honest with you. It really, like, we truly watched a generation of young men put on dresses and sort of demand to be empowered and seen and fighting for sort of like, shifts in these cultures and beliefs. And, like, now niggas just wear colorful nails and call each other the F word. Like, it ain't. It didn't. It doesn't feel like. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's just like, you can be queer and homophobic now, which is good, I guess. I don't know.

[David Borey]

I know for me personally, because it's like we're having this conversation, but we're having this conversation because it's me and you. For every one of these conversations, there's 10 just regular conversations with some dudes where you try to bring some shit up like this and you are struck down like, I'm not gonna go to the barbershop and be like, me and Langston, we're talking about how you don't have to have pulley all night. I can't get a cut that day, then I get killed.

[Langston Kerman]

No. If any of y' all thought we were in our barbershops being brave, you are mistaken.

[David Borey]

I'm barely talking.

[Langston Kerman]

Those men say vile, vile things and I, I nod politely and watch the game.

[David Borey]

And I laugh, but not loud enough to hurt my soul. Uh huh. It's like when you talk to an old guy. He starts, yeah, you just give him.

[Langston Kerman]

What he, you know what he want.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta give them what they want. This man is in charge of my hair. I'm not about to to correct him.

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[David Borey]

When I think about all this too, I do think it's like, I think it's also this all speaks to this level of like aggressiveness and alertness that we're supposed to have that does not allow you to like really relax and search for yourself.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think that's what I think.

[David Borey]

The shame is in a lot of this.

[Langston Kerman]

I think the alertness exists almost in a multitude of ways for black men where it's like you have to be on constant alert of violence and racism against you. You have to be on constant alert about sort of like your impression as this aggressive, scary figure in society. And you have to be on constant alert about the feminization of the black man that somehow that is also a weapon against us and that dangerous sort of trifecta of alertness. Then Makes it so that you never have even a second to just be like, oh, this is me. Independent of a lot of the things that are existing around me. I can just be myself. You don't get that moment.

[David Borey]

But within all that. Cause I think the pushback on that is like, we can talk all this in theory, but, like, are you safe to let that guard down? Not in all scenarios. I think, like, you and I are pretty lucky to have the freedom to do this type of thing, but I don't know if that is for everyone.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I was watching a video the other day of this gay dude at a roller skating rink where he. He, like, he'll, like, slide.

[David Borey]

I saw that he was busting it.

[Langston Kerman]

And, yeah, he be busting it wide open in front of. In front of dudes who just wanted to be heterosexual men at the roller skating ring.

[David Borey]

He got so mad.

[Langston Kerman]

And they get real mad and, like, confused and they don't know what to do. And it's funny. Like, it legitimately made me laugh that this person does that. But then a bunch of the comments were sort of like, quickest way to get yourself killed. Like, nigga, you. You buggin. Like, hey, I get it. Bit. Bit. But, like, you better chill the fuck out type shit. And it's like, whoa, Damn. Yeah, we can't even let a silly billy be a silly billy without it turning into like, hey, he might die. And. And they're not. They're not saying it as a threat. They're saying legitimately, you gotta relax. Cause that's.

[David Borey]

And that's the interesting thing about it, right? Is that it's like. So that video is kind of complicated. Cause he was, like, invading people's faces and whatever. You can't do that. But it's like the tone of those comments are like, don't be yourself. It's too much. You're too much. You're being too much. You know what I mean? Even the idea of being cool is this idea of don't show too much of anything.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And that's.

[Langston Kerman]

It's not me defending the person and the silliness of it. I do think it's a silly.

[David Borey]

No, I don't think that at all.

[Langston Kerman]

But I also don't necessarily. It's not a silly I would do because I would fear exactly what you're talking about. Of, like, invasion of space and privacy. And just the idea of standing that close to men in general is not how I would want to be busted wide open. That said, it is crazy that it can't just Be silly. Like, we don't even have the room in us to be like, well, that's just silly. Because the threat of sexuality from a man requires us to fucking like flex and hulk and defy everything silly inside of this.

[David Borey]

And that's the tragedy. I think it also speaks to the. The stakes of what it is to be a black man. It feels so high stakes sometimes.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, 100%.

[David Borey]

And that's the burden that I feel. Like we're. And that's one thing that is truly racial. And I don't think it's like classist or. I think it cuts through everything through to this thing at your core where you're like, you can be silly in certain places and venues, but overall the stakes to my behavior are very high. I could. I don't feel like when I talk to white peers and things like that, they don't seem to speak to the idea that they could lose it all as much or that they have to be careful as much as it feels like when I talk just like an average black man.

[Langston Kerman]

You made the point before we were recording that you think it's beaten our ass the most.

[David Borey]

Oh yeah. I was gonna say that too. Yeah, definitely.

[Langston Kerman]

That like, legitimately homophobia is beating the fuck out of black men more than any other race and community, bro.

[David Borey]

Like, it's all this shit, we can't eat hot dogs. Even the pause shit is. But like, for real, bro. But like, for real. That's crazy. That's crazy. Because of some perceived. And it's like, okay, hahaha, it is a joke. But then it's ultimately it's like. But living under that, even as a joke, is a burden that it feels heavy to carry to me, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

Sometimes I just don't feel like being in a bit, right? And if I want a hot dog on a day when I don't feel like being in a bit of a. Then I am in prison. Because I either don't get what I want or I get what I want. And now I'm being forced to play inside of a game that I never wanted to play in the first place. I just wanted a fucking hot dog, right?

[David Borey]

And to that point it's like the same as the cot lacking shit, where it's like, fuck, well, where do you go to? Because the homophobia and that shit I think is instilled in men and women. So then it becomes like, if I can't pull that guard down in front of my partner, it just feels like it's stunting the amount of life you're able to experience.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, true.

[David Borey]

That's kind of heartbreaking to me.

[Langston Kerman]

I remember when I was playing basketball, I like putting my hands on my hips. That's a good place for me is hands on my hips. And I realized at some point that turning your hands backwards also actually feels pretty good with your hands on your hips.

[David Borey]

And my. I. Because I know what you're going to say is so funny and I'm going to laugh. So before I laugh in your face, whatever this story is, I'm sorry that happened to you because that's not fair. You saw everything lighting up.

[Langston Kerman]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This isn't a trauma story. You don't get to do that to me. I'm saying that I discovered that that is a good feeling privately. And there was something in me that knew well enough that I can never be that guy. It is not possible for me to be at my most comfortable physically while I'm playing a sport that I played as hard as I possibly could at the time that I was playing it because of a fear that somebody will call me something I'm not even that afraid of in theory, but associated with me, I think is somehow this life destroying idea, brother.

[David Borey]

And that shit is like, how can. Cause I was thinking when you said that, I was thinking about the. Like when you put your palms on your lower back.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah.

[David Borey]

Oh, I'm doing it right now.

[Langston Kerman]

It feels so nice.

[David Borey]

I'm only doing it because my girl's not here. Like.

[Langston Kerman]

It feels nice.

[David Borey]

It feels great. But how do you feel? Like that repression, that constant guard is not leaked out into other areas where it becomes like if the thing. If you are limited in expression to only a few things, those few things, I think there's a possibility that they can become very, very. They could almost be too much. Like, you can't spread it all out. If people feel like they can only express themselves fully wherever, then it's like, damn, that. That just is like full on repression. And that sucks. Like, that's just. It's just. That's a. That's a. That's a tough line to have to toe.

[Langston Kerman]

I think about all the things that keep happening with Shannon Sharpe in terms of his physical appearance and how often that is equated to some sort of like, gayness, queerness. His clothes in particular are always getting. You're seeing pictures of him in the littlest outfits that ever could be for this big, giant, hulking man, no socks. Often they're capris. More often than not, it always looks insane. The outfits that he posts, and some of that is to me, that leaking out of like, oh, this is just a dude who wants to be able to explore different options for how he should look, but he can't because he. He's afraid of the possibility of that coming off as anything other than, like, hyper masculine. And so instead he's like, all I wear is suits and athleisure wear, and then nobody will ever suspect me of being anything but a man. And it don't look. You look odd, bro. They don't build it for you that way.

[David Borey]

You're too big.

[Langston Kerman]

You're too damn big. You need some big, flowy Steve Harvey pants, but you can't get there because you're too worried.

[David Borey]

What you need is a dress.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Problem with that is that he would look funny in a dress. That's just the comedian of me. That's just the comedian in me.

[Langston Kerman]

He would look funny because he'd be so self conscious in that dress. There's no way he wouldn't be pulling on it and trying to make sure his big hulking titty is put away. It'd just be too much.

[David Borey]

What you need to do is like, that's why I think the black men who can do it strong, Busta Rhymes wear a dress. And he's Jamaican.

[Langston Kerman]

Who did?

[David Borey]

Busta rhymes?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah. 100%.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Rodman.

[David Borey]

He was kind of an outlier in that.

[Langston Kerman]

And there are also a lot of private theories about him as well.

[David Borey]

Oh, really? I didn't know that.

[Langston Kerman]

Of the same nature. Yeah. That he. Busta Rhymes is very vocally homophobic in a way that is either Jamaican or a dude hiding a deep, dark secret.

[David Borey]

Man, I was really excited about this conversation. Now it just got me kind of bummed out.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think it's hard.

[David Borey]

I think it's good that we can have conversations like this and that it can go out to some people. I think that even within this conversation in my head, I'm like, I think some people in here is be like.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think it is so hard to, number one, allow people the space to recognize themselves enough that they can identify sexuality and identity and separate them from the shit that we were trained to believe. But I think even more complicated is recognizing, even as you have made some of those efforts towards undoing that bad thinking, you ain't all the way there yet. You know what I mean? That, like, I am. I am very proudly anti all of the homophobia that I think I was in many ways trained to believe as normal and see as okay. And even in that, I am not fully finished cooking as a true like advocate ally in the most pure sense of the word.

[David Borey]

Truly. Truly. I mean, at the end of the day, y', all, we just want to put our hands on our hips.

[Langston Kerman]

We all just want to put our hands on our hips.

[David Borey]

Can we just start there?

[Langston Kerman]

And only a few of us are brave enough to actually do it. And that's on us.

[David Borey]

They can dunk.

[Langston Kerman]

Their name is Dennis Rodman. And they. That's how I learned it because Dennis used to do it. I was like, fuck, Manny. I'm gonna try it. Let me see. And it was phenomenal.

[David Borey]

It just eases the pressure, man.

[Langston Kerman]

It's just nice, man. It puts your wrists in a different position than they're normal. So it gives you a nice stretch there.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah. I've got a big back. So it's stretching out.

[Langston Kerman]

But you're only doing that cause we can't see your hands and your hips.

[David Borey]

Oh yeah. No, I would not, I would not. I would not lower the laptop screen for a million dollars.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, we could talk hands on the hips all day, but the truth is we did it. I think we, we covered everything, all was said that needed to be said on this subject. And if you have issues with any of our deep rooted homophobia, I don't know, beat me up. But what are you going to do?

[David Borey]

Also, if you can't tell, so do we.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't like this.

[David Borey]

I don't want to be this way.

[Langston Kerman]

You want to tell the people where.

[David Borey]

They can find you cool guy jokes. 87 on Instagram patreon.com davidbory to purchase my special Birth of a Nation with a G. It's very funny. Everybody's raving about it. Major Hollywood press is making articles now. They've all seen it. They can't get off my chalk as always.

[Langston Kerman]

You can follow me at Langston Carmen on all social media platforms and you can watch my special, it's called Bad Poetry. It's on Netflix, you can watch English Teacher, it's on fx. And more importantly, if you want to send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories and if you want to tell us some bullshit, I don't know what you'd be talking about. Send it all to mymamapodmail.com we would love to hear from you. Like subscribe, buy merch, hit the link tree, don't hit your family. Bye bitch.

[Danielle Fishel]

White wine, white woman and hate crimes.

[Langston Kerman]

My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Big Money Players Network and iHeart podcast, created and hosted.

[David Borey]

By Langston Kerman co hosted by David Bore executive produced by Will Ferrell Hansani and Olivia Aguilar co produced by Bay Wayne Edited and engineered by Justin Kah Music by Nick Chambers artwork by Dogon Krieger.

[Langston Kerman]

You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube, follow and @ My Mama Told Me and subscribe to our channel.

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[David Borey]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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