Michael Jackson’s Plastic Surgeries (with Rob Haze)

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Momma Told Me – Episode on Michael Jackson’s Plastic Surgeries (with Rob Haze)

Introduction In this compelling episode of My Momma Told Me, hosted by comedians Langston Kerman and David Borey from the Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts, the discussion centers around one of the most enduring and controversial figures in pop culture: Michael Jackson. Featuring guest Rob Haze, the episode delves deep into the myriad plastic surgeries Jackson underwent, exploring the motivations behind these transformations and addressing prevalent conspiracy theories surrounding his iconic changes.

Michael Jackson’s Surgery History The conversation kicks off with Rob Haze introducing a unique perspective on Michael Jackson's plastic surgeries. At [23:35], Haze asserts, “My mama told me Michael Jackson never got unnecessary surgery.” This statement sets the stage for a nuanced exploration of Jackson's medical history. Langston Kerman challenges this notion at [30:27], emphasizing the complexity of Jackson's surgical journey: “I do think there may be a more complicated reasoning behind the surgeries than just self-hatred.”

Debating the Number and Purpose of Surgeries A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting the extent and purpose of Jackson's cosmetic procedures. Both Langston and David engage with Rob's assertions, questioning whether Jackson’s transformations were purely for artistic enhancement or influenced by deeper psychological factors. At [25:56], Kerman notes, “Michael Jackson is a production of multiple plastic surgeries throughout his life,” highlighting the timeline of these changes. David Borey contributes by discussing Jackson's vitiligo and its impact on his appearance, countering myths about excessive skin bleaching.

The Role of Public Perception and Conspiracy Theories The hosts and guest navigate through various conspiracy theories that have surrounded Jackson's image changes. Langston Kerman articulates the tension between Jackson's public persona and private struggles, stating at [28:15], “He could have been transparent and that could have been the next, you know, like, instead of, you know, he could have been vulnerable.” This sentiment underscores the broader theme of how celebrity culture often distorts personal narratives, feeding into speculative theories.

Personal Struggles and Their Impact on Appearance Delving deeper, the discussion touches on Jackson's personal traumas and how they may have influenced his decision to alter his appearance. At [49:32], Kerman reflects, “He grew up in an era where there are gods and there are men and he was a God and he could not show that vulnerability as a God.” This highlights the immense pressure Jackson faced as a global icon, potentially driving him to seek physical changes as a coping mechanism.

Rob Haze introduces a metaphor at [36:57], comparing Jackson’s relentless spin to the myth of Icarus: “You can only go so close to the sun before your wings start melting.” This analogy encapsulates the precarious balance Jackson maintained between his towering fame and personal well-being, suggesting that his transformations were a way to manage this dichotomy.

Concluding Thoughts As the episode progresses towards its conclusion, the hosts and guest reflect on the legacy of Michael Jackson's transformations. Langston Kerman poses a thought-provoking question at [78:15], challenging the simplistic narratives often associated with Jackson: “It's more complicated than that, for sure.” The trio acknowledges the multifaceted nature of Jackson's life, recognizing that while his surgeries are a significant aspect of his legacy, they are intertwined with a myriad of personal and societal factors.

Notable Quotes

• Rob Haze [23:35]: “My mama told me Michael Jackson never got unnecessary surgery.”
• Langston Kerman [30:27]: “I do think there may be a more complicated reasoning behind the surgeries than just self-hatred.”
• Langston Kerman [36:57]: “You can only go so close to the sun before your wings start melting.”
• David Borey [49:32]: “He grew up in an era where there are gods and there are men and he was a God and he could not show that vulnerability as a God.”
• Langston Kerman [78:15]: “It's more complicated than that, for sure.”

Conclusion This episode of My Momma Told Me offers a thorough and engaging examination of Michael Jackson's plastic surgeries, blending humor with insightful analysis. By featuring Rob Haze, Langston Kerman and David Borey provide listeners with a fresh perspective on the intricate interplay between celebrity image-making and personal identity. The hosts skillfully navigate through factual history and speculative theories, encouraging a more empathetic and comprehensive understanding of Jackson's multifaceted legacy.

Whether you're a long-time fan or new to these discussions, this episode provides valuable insights into one of pop music's most enigmatic figures, challenging listeners to look beyond the surface and consider the deeper narratives at play.

Transcript

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[Rob Hayes]

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[Langston Kerman]

Use as directed. Yellowstone is just a massive super volcano that if it explodes, will literally wipe out like our entire country. And on average it explodes every like 6,000 years. And we are past the window of that happening and it could just happen at any time. And that makes me terrified.

[Rob Hayes]

No sweet release.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the thing. If it was gonna like just wipe us out, I'd be chilling. But I think what it's gonna do is like blow up and just spread like the type of ash that like kills you very slowly.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh right. Cause I've heard people talk about like even like when Mount St. Helens blew, how it was crazy. But if it's like a super volcano. Cause that's what you die. You suffocate from the ash in the air. Ultimately, yeah.

[David Borey]

Maggie Zelensky knows when it's gonna blow. So it's like. You'll see. Yeah, you'll see. You have this big ocean, but you also.

[Rob Hayes]

Super Vol.

[David Borey]

You'll feel this soon. You don't tell us what we're gonna feel. You'll feel it when we wanna be talking loud. Say thank you. Say thank you to me.

[Langston Kerman]

The government growing babies. Microchips in your anus. All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes. She's a bit Internet turtle stuff.

[Rob Hayes]

Y'all can't tell me nothing. At night I dream of you. I want to be your lady baby. Welcome, little mamas and gentiles alike, to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told.

[Langston Kerman]

Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy.

[Rob Hayes]

Theory and finally work to prove the conspiracies. We gotta figure that last part out.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I guess.

[Rob Hayes]

Is it? Cause it's not of them. This is Rob's.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's of everybody. Rob, we're so happy you're here. We've already broken the.

[Rob Hayes]

That was a terrible introduction.

[Langston Kerman]

It wasn't really an introduction. We didn't even finish our joke. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

Plural man. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think we are here to prove all of the possibilities of the world. I think that is. That is objectively what's true. Is it the best way to say it? I don't know yet. But I do think that that's what we're here hoping to prove.

[Rob Hayes]

I like that. Yeah, I'm into that. You know what I've been thinking? I'm just. You know what I've been thinking?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You always set it up so poorly.

[Rob Hayes]

I want them to know what we're doing.

[Langston Kerman]

I want them to see how the little game happens.

[Rob Hayes]

I want them to see how much work goes into making that delicious treat.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on, baby.

[Rob Hayes]

They like to eat once a week. On Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[Langston Kerman]

Ye.

[Rob Hayes]

Twice a week.

[Langston Kerman]

Twice a week. Once a week, Twice a week.

[Rob Hayes]

Once a week, twice a week. Whenever you listen to it. You know what I've been thinking?

[Langston Kerman]

Yes, please.

[Rob Hayes]

I think Dr. Umar's doing a press run because he's finally getting ready to open that school.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[Rob Hayes]

That's what I think.

[David Borey]

Did you see him speak in, like he was at a school?

[Langston Kerman]

University of Michigan.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

My alma mater.

[Rob Hayes]

You should have gone.

[Langston Kerman]

I wish. I wish I'd have known. I would have bought a plane ticket.

[David Borey]

And he was like. What was he like? Black queens forever. And the whole crowd was like, snow buddies. Never. He, like, found his audience. Pwi. It was crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

It was so crazy. Cause I did not know Niggas were like, that tapped into him, like, in catchphrase form at 18. Yeah.

[David Borey]

I thought it was, like, our joke. I didn't know, like, younger kids are, like, joking about this now.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, that's my question is, do you think were joking?

[David Borey]

I think there's winks between them, yes. I think some people there probably were finding truth. Like, we're laughing, but the niggas got his point. There's other people that are like, that was hilarious. I have a test to study for.

[Rob Hayes]

You know, that would be a great college experience. I feel like Dr. Umar spoke. I'm.

[Langston Kerman]

I remember so many people that they had come perform at our concert at our school.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I would have replaced any one of them with Dr. Umar.

[Rob Hayes]

You have any good ones?

[Langston Kerman]

No, I had amazing ones. Janelle Monae back during, like, the Robot Games.

[Rob Hayes]

That was big. That's a good time to get.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, we.

[Rob Hayes]

That's a good Janelle Monae.

[Langston Kerman]

Sean before Big Sean became Big Sean. So, like, on some real, like, hungry. Selling it. But we also knew he had already been tapped by Kanye. He just wasn't.

[Rob Hayes]

That's an exciting guy to have at your school.

[David Borey]

That's when Big Sean was doing individual merch for every school he went to and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

Damn.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I remember his website. And he had a thing. He was like, I am finally famous, and you write in, and then maybe he'd put you up on the blog. And I'm like, one in ear in a comedy. And I wrote, like, opening for Ronnie Jordan and how, like, I am finally. It's so embarrassing.

[Langston Kerman]

Hoping Big Sean was gonna repost that permanent. Make that permanent.

[Rob Hayes]

He ain't handpick you, though.

[David Borey]

Nah. He didn't pick me up. I went to the University of Georgia. We had Conflict Free Chrisette Michelle.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa, whoa.

[David Borey]

We had Trey Songz. We had T Pain.

[Rob Hayes]

Damn.

[David Borey]

We had Godfrey. He didn't tell us James Avery was gay. He just kept that in the tuck in 07, you know.

[Langston Kerman]

He really got in trouble, huh? People were really mad at Godfrey.

[David Borey]

People were really mad at him.

[Langston Kerman]

They're furious at Godfrey for that. I thought that I had always treated that as relatively common knowledge.

[David Borey]

I thought that was the cat that was out of the bag and, like, just a rumor that people had been saying. And. Yeah, I don't know what point of an interview gets to that. Like, I've been interviewed several times, and I've never gotten to the point where it's like, but tell us about Uncle Phil. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

To the point of, like, you know, who's Gay.

[David Borey]

What was he promoted when he, like, got to the point where they're like, all right, man, come on, you gotta come clean, Uncle Phil. What was he into?

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, you're the one to come clean, Godfrey.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you didn't necessarily. We didn't ask you. Did they ever meet?

[David Borey]

I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

I can't imagine.

[David Borey]

The story was weird. That was the other thing. The story wasn't like I walked in on James Avery having sex. It wasn't like, hey, I was doing voice work for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and I was like, whoa, Shredder. Like, it wasn't like that. It was just like, I went to the Gospel Awards and he was using his hands a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I don't think that's it, man.

[Rob Hayes]

I think he might just be kind.

[David Borey]

I think he's the theater locomotive.

[Langston Kerman]

I think he's, like, a talented actor.

[David Borey]

He just seen someone he hadn't seen in a long time.

[Rob Hayes]

Also, I've seen Godfrey use his hands a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

Uh oh.

[David Borey]

Uh oh.

[Langston Kerman]

The rumor mill has started, folks. We don't run from it here at My Mama Told Me.

[Rob Hayes]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[David Borey]

Cool running. Oh, yeah. Shout out. Dougie does.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, people don't shout him out enough.

[Rob Hayes]

Cool Runnings. That darn cat.

[David Borey]

Mm.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Cosby.

[Rob Hayes]

Cosby. Yeah, he was on the, like, when it was just the show without show.

[David Borey]

Yeah, it was just.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, he was the number two on that, I believe.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, I didn't even know.

[David Borey]

Above Phylicia Rashad.

[Langston Kerman]

No. Was she in the second run of Cosby?

[David Borey]

It's Bill Cosby, Phylicia Rashad, and Dougie Doug.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, okay. But they're not the Huxtables.

[David Borey]

It's like they're Huxtable. Yeah, they're just Brooklyn people.

[Rob Hayes]

Are they still in Brooklyn?

[David Borey]

I don't know where they are. I know Busta Rhymes is In an episode.

[Langston Kerman]

I want to say they were in Philly.

[David Borey]

They might have been in Philly. It was on CBS at a time where I didn't go over there.

[Rob Hayes]

No, I. Man. Cause all there was was, like, Becker, like jag.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

CBS did not have anything.

[David Borey]

I remember maybe Walker, Texas Ranger, Nash Bridges, maybe I watched that shit on pax. Okay.

[Rob Hayes]

Remember pax?

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Rob Hayes]

If you didn't have cable, it was like. It was like a pseudo Christian channel.

[David Borey]

Like PAX in Atlanta. They played Hawks games. That's how bad the Hawks were.

[Langston Kerman]

They were basically Christian basketball.

[David Borey]

You can watch the HARVL in this.

[Rob Hayes]

Basketball movie and then watch Touched by an Angel. Yeah, PAX was trash.

[California Psychics]

Damn.

[David Borey]

I like, when PAX first dropped, they had like, Knight Rider and, like, some.

[Rob Hayes]

Cool stuff and then transferred to being inspirational. Like a little later, early pax, they.

[David Borey]

Got highway to Heaven. They was like, yo, man, we found our niche.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know what our. I guess we. I never had to go through the Christian channel enough.

[David Borey]

Y'all had wgn. Y'all didn't need pack.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Because UPN was a regular ass channel. And in that way, you avoid a lot of, like, the heartbreak that would have come from.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Rob Hayes]

We had upn, too. UPN was the go to, I feel like, for years. And then the WB secondary.

[Langston Kerman]

I was the abc, then upn and then, like, abc.

[Rob Hayes]

Like TGI Friday.

[Langston Kerman]

TGI Friday.

[Rob Hayes]

Man, that was good.

[Langston Kerman]

And that, you know, there were enough. This was back when they would, like, replay episodes throughout the week.

[David Borey]

Right. A lot of those shows were syndicated.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You got to watch a little bit of Urkel on Friday. But you could watch Urkel a few more other days. Yeah, it was nice. Yeah.

[David Borey]

But Friday got a new Urkel.

[Langston Kerman]

Got that new Urkel.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, He's a robot in front. He's a Bruce Lee. I remember that Bruce Lee. That was like, the most excited, I think I was for an Urkelezer. Like, I remember thinking about it, like, the week up.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Rob Hayes]

You know, because it'd be like on an all new Family Matters, Urkels go in Chinese or whatever they said.

[Langston Kerman]

I was waiting to see how they pitched it. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

I wasn't sure how I was gonna handle it. I realized I had dug a hole for myself.

[David Borey]

I forgot about that. Cause like, yeah, no, Malcolm and Eddie, when they announced that, like, Eddie Griffith was gonna do Prince, it was like a whole buildup. And I remember like, oh, man, I can't wait to see how he end.

[Langston Kerman]

Being Prince is so crazy.

[Rob Hayes]

And how Malcolm's gonna hate.

[David Borey]

Right, right.

[Rob Hayes]

We're not supposed to have Prince in a tow truck. Wasn't that the premise of that show?

[Langston Kerman]

They had a restaurant.

[David Borey]

Yeah, it was like a restaurant, club, bar, slash.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, it was Malcolm and Eddie had a tow truck. Cause he was always making jokes about stuff he had in a truck.

[Langston Kerman]

It was a restaurant slash mechanic's office, one stop shop. Like they really were like, yeah, that's literally what the episodes would be. Remember, is that somebody would drop their car off to Eddie, yeah, I need you to fix my car. And he'd be like, I can't fix that car. You gotta go chill in the restaurant.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And then.

[Langston Kerman]

And then Mary J. Blige would walk in the restaurant like, what's wrong with that guy? He's not a good mechanic. Why the fuck are you here?

[Rob Hayes]

That would be how they got you in the week two, though, was like on an all new Malcolm and Eddie Kazu stopping by and then she's just like doing real love with their eyes closed. Because I remember thinking that, like, I remember always thinking. I was like, musicians have music videos. They're obviously incredible actors. Like, I would want to see them in more, right? Yeah, I saw Fast and Furious cuz of Ja Rule.

[David Borey]

I was disappointed.

[Rob Hayes]

They fucked us.

[Langston Kerman]

So he was the big pull for.

[David Borey]

You, prominent in the trailer. The trailer makes it seem like it's his movie.

[Rob Hayes]

The trailer does all the things that he does.

[David Borey]

You would think it's his family. You think it's the Rule family. And then it's Rule family. The first scene is like, oh, no. And it's like you don't see him anymore. It's like, yo, who are these beige people?

[Rob Hayes]

He says three things in that movie. He says three things in that movie. He says. And you're like, this is about to be an Oscar worthy performance.

[Langston Kerman]

Ja Rule's lock in.

[Rob Hayes]

He's there for some time. He's such a good actor. And then he says, monica.

[Langston Kerman]

Isn'T it that he races Vin Diesel and loses?

[David Borey]

Is that a girl walks up in the first race, right?

[Rob Hayes]

Yes. A girl walks up though. She says, you know, you. She's. I remember this so well. She's like, you know, if you win, you could have all of this or if you lose, you could have this anyways. But if you win, you get her too. And then she takes his hand and puts it on her titty.

[Langston Kerman]

Holy shit.

[Rob Hayes]

And that's why when he kicks on the nos, he says, menage.

[Langston Kerman]

Because they had to be clear. Yeah, I bet they Got a note where they were like, it's not clear if he gets a fucker at the same time.

[David Borey]

I like the world where they added that scene to make him say a menage makes sense. And then they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we gotta fix this.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, man, we've studied car races. That's not like a traditional yell. Can you do it again? He's like, no, no, no.

[Rob Hayes]

I like to think he said like five other things that didn't make sense to menage was what they had to build in Cowabunga.

[Langston Kerman]

You can't say that. Ja bro three way.

[David Borey]

Not the same girl. Girl guy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I, I, I did not remember Ja Rule's heavily featured appearance in the trailer. But you're right, he, he does. He, they kill him off from the entire fucking. Because they didn't bring him back in the day.

[David Borey]

They never brought him back. He's in the world. He exists in the world. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

His name is Edwin.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, Edwin.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, that really hurt you.

[Rob Hayes]

That's why I saw the movie.

[Langston Kerman]

You have such a feeling it's so permanent for you.

[David Borey]

Paul Walker, Vin Diesel got me through and driving under trucks for DVD players. Like I got through it, but.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but I miss when they were just.

[Rob Hayes]

But I wanted.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it was better.

[David Borey]

Imagine going to space and it starts with you stealing the DVD player.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

That's really the American dream. That's what they sold us. That can happen in America.

[Langston Kerman]

That's not what happened with Buzz Aldrin.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

He wasn't stealing, he wasn't stealing eight tracks.

[David Borey]

Hey, that man need to go to space.

[Langston Kerman]

You think you can hold your breath?

[Rob Hayes]

Also the DVD thing, stealing DVDs didn't make sense because even when that movie came out, they already had like DVD players at Walmart.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Rob Hayes]

Like he was already like a commodity that had been.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That movie had me looking under cars for the longest to see like, when is it I'm gonna see a truck that doesn't have a tire under it?

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Cause Most big ass 18 wheel trucks have at least one tire underneath.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know, and you're saying somehow they've only. They found trucks.

[David Borey]

They found trucks that you could drive a whole car underneath.

[Langston Kerman]

No doubt.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah. Also a lot of Nas. I had never heard about nos.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't know about nos. That became a street drink.

[David Borey]

It became an energy drink.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it did become an energy drink.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah. For poorer people. Do you want the effects of Nas? Do you want the effects of Nas? But you ain't got a driver's license.

[David Borey]

Do you think they're separate energy drinks for rich people? I feel like we all got the same energy drinks.

[Rob Hayes]

No, I think they're separate everything for rich people.

[David Borey]

You think so? I think rich energy drinks is like an example espresso. But like, I feel like we don't.

[Rob Hayes]

Feel like there's juice here.

[David Borey]

Crunk juice. It's for everybody.

[Langston Kerman]

I think Celsius for a while was in much more privatized spaces.

[David Borey]

Oh, yeah, that's real.

[Langston Kerman]

And I think you and your friends were drinking crunk juice for some time.

[Rob Hayes]

See how he does that sometimes?

[David Borey]

He said that cuz I'm from Atlanta though, right? Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And because you weren't drinking Celsius.

[David Borey]

Okay. All right.

[Langston Kerman]

I think the remaining. I think both are true.

[David Borey]

Every, like, little waiting room in Atlanta had a crunk juice fridge, man.

[Rob Hayes]

So they really tried to get behind it in a real wedding.

[Langston Kerman]

I think I've seen crunch juice three times in my life. Yeah.

[David Borey]

I don't think. I know. It was like, readily available. It was like, you know, you go other places and there's like, like cucumbers and water. It'd be a little crunk juice fridge.

[Rob Hayes]

That's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't know he's got crunk juice on tap and sparkling.

[Rob Hayes]

A room temp.

[Langston Kerman]

Like a hot crunch juice.

[David Borey]

It was just like Red Bull or any other thing, you know, except for like endorsed by Lil Jon.

[Rob Hayes]

Damn.

[David Borey]

I would.

[Langston Kerman]

I think, and this is my own negative judgment, I would have expected it to be sweet, like much sweet.

[David Borey]

It's probably a little like. They did have flavors, I think, and they were like. It was probably worse for you for some reason.

[Langston Kerman]

Sure.

[Rob Hayes]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's all that crumbs.

[David Borey]

Probably got some poison in there. So, you know, I was supposed to.

[Langston Kerman]

Drink all that crumb.

[Rob Hayes]

That's too much crumb.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Is this hat racist yours? Yeah. I want a hat of the Sun's mascot, which is a gorilla for some reason.

[Langston Kerman]

Duncan.

[David Borey]

A basketball.

[Langston Kerman]

And you're a black man proudly wearing a gorilla on your hat.

[David Borey]

I can't believe they made it. I can't believe, like, it passed like.

[Rob Hayes]

A lot of people.

[David Borey]

Unfortunately, the Trump administration put a lot on the docket that we haven't gotten around to.

[Langston Kerman]

I think we don't care about that no more, this hat.

[David Borey]

But I think in the right window of time, this hat would have been out of the paint, dog.

[Rob Hayes]

I think it is crazy.

[David Borey]

It's nuts.

[Langston Kerman]

I think in a fucking. In a truly egalitarian world, the gorilla would have been eliminated by now.

[David Borey]

It's Crazy.

[Rob Hayes]

It doesn't make any sense.

[David Borey]

It's been around so long. It's really crazy.

[Rob Hayes]

There's no gorillas in Phoenix.

[Langston Kerman]

There's no gorillas related to the sa.

[Rob Hayes]

They just wanted to make a monkey.

[Langston Kerman]

They were like, no black people playing basketball.

[Rob Hayes]

Monkey. Damn. Phoenix.

[Langston Kerman]

A monkey in a Jersey. Let's see if they'll let that. Let us do that.

[Rob Hayes]

That's the place that it would go through, though.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Where it's like, all right, who's gonna vote against it? We don't live there.

[David Borey]

It's gotta be awkward when the gorilla guy, like, takes his stuff off and, like, you know, might make eye contact with, like, KD or something and just look like, hey, dude, I gotta make money somehow, man. I know what it is. You know, like, don't judge me.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

They should have just got. They could have got anything.

[David Borey]

They could have got anything.

[Rob Hayes]

They could have really been anything that.

[David Borey]

Lives in the desert.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You can do cats now.

[David Borey]

You can do a gecko.

[Langston Kerman]

Just do a sun head. Just do a thing.

[Rob Hayes]

Here's the thing. Mascots are. I think they gritty is one thing, but I think for the most part, the better mascots are, like, sexier now. Like, a son is too. Is too cumbersome. You mean just the head and then a regular body?

[Langston Kerman]

You can do whatever you want with the body. The premise is sun.

[Rob Hayes]

Right, Right.

[Langston Kerman]

All you have to do is have a head. That's interesting.

[David Borey]

You do what you can do with a gritty body.

[Rob Hayes]

You know what I would do? I would make it a cool guy named Ray Ray. Yeah. Cause the sun rays. And he's got sunglasses on.

[Langston Kerman]

I got you. He's dressed like Rafael Saadiq.

[David Borey]

Wow.

[Rob Hayes]

No, that's not at all.

[David Borey]

That's Ray Ray Ye. This guy love just a cool nigga.

[Langston Kerman]

He smoke a long cigarette and then dunk a basketball. Rob you. You came to us today with a conspiracy, and we eventually have to talk conspiracy theory at some point. At some point. But you came to us with a conspiracy. I personally have never heard anybody say before.

[Rob Hayes]

Me either. This is exciting, though.

[Langston Kerman]

This feels very personal in a way that I'm excited to hear you unpack. You said, my mama told me Michael Jackson never got unnecessary surgery.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Tell us everything you know and believe I am.

[David Borey]

Okay. So, as you guys know, I keep a lot of knowledge about music and stuff to the point where the algorithm just speeds me. Stuff. If there's ever a new resurface video of Michael Jackson, it will hit my feed first.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Rob Hayes]

Wow. Okay. That's a lot of work.

[Langston Kerman]

You're a first responder for Michael Jackson videos.

[Rob Hayes]

I'm like that with cartoon ass.

[David Borey]

There's never been a time where, like, somebody sent me a Michael Jackson video and then I've been like, oh, I never seen this one before. It's normally like, oh, yeah, I've seen that. Look at this part. Let's go. You know, so I've been starting to get truther. Michael Jackson content coming to me.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[David Borey]

Now I will. I will tell you that I found out earlier today, some of the pictures that I've been getting have been doctored. Have been doctored by AI.

[Rob Hayes]

How did you find. How did you find out?

[David Borey]

Because I was, like, making sure I didn't just make this up.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

But then I was just like, oh, man, there are people that are out here debunking some of the stuff.

[Langston Kerman]

You know how I pictured it when you said it? I pictured your wife whispering it in your ear like that man did for George Bush when he found out about 9 11.

[Rob Hayes]

About 9 11, she gave him a. We lost the towers.

[Langston Kerman]

The second photo isn't real. The second photo isn't real.

[David Borey]

So the thing is, sometimes I'll get the. Like, I would believe him if they had separated them, but all the videos I get are like, nah, it's one thing. It's like he didn't bleach his skin and he didn't have any unnecessary surgery. And it's like, that's a lot to tackle in one video.

[Rob Hayes]

What's the Instagram limit?

[David Borey]

Like, three minutes?

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, come on. I need at least 10.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

To really cover that in a more substantive way. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

It does not.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

So there's people that believe that. Okay, Michael Jackson, the fire, the Pepsi commercial. Right.

[Rob Hayes]

Which is, like, triggered his.

[David Borey]

His lupus. Yeah, yeah. This is like 84, early 84 triggered his lupus. And then basically that's what causes, like, some of the, like, red discoloration that you see in his skin. And then after that, he also has villa ligo, which my father told me he made up. My father didn't believe vitiligo was a thing.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, he didn't believe.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, your father thought he was my dad.

[Langston Kerman]

He didn't believe in the premise of vitiligo.

[Rob Hayes]

He said that's not a real disease.

[David Borey]

He was like, michael Jackson. Like. Cause when you're a kid, you're like, you're looking at Michael Jackson. Yeah. And then your parents are either like, he's black, or you're like, oh, man, he's white. And then your parents are cracking up or whatever. So, yeah, my parents. We had that discussion. I'm like, well, what happened? How did he end up like this? And my dad's like, he made up some disease. Villa Lago or something. I don't know. And then. So I always, like, remember that in my head, like, oh, man, Michael Jackson's so powerful. He made up a disease.

[Rob Hayes]

That's how you thought about it, was like, he's so powerful.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You're a psychopath.

[David Borey]

Michael Jackson. The man didn't move for 13 seconds, bro. You don't think he can make up a disease? Come on. He walked backwards. Glitter socks. They don't sell them at Walmart.

[Rob Hayes]

That's true. That was a crazy thing to come out with, like, glitter sock technology is pretty cool.

[David Borey]

Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

Just the high socks alone was such a dangerous decision.

[Rob Hayes]

Also, he's wearing those, like, captain's tassels on his shoulders.

[David Borey]

And he's walking with an army of people with. Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

Everything about his style. Everything about his style would have gotten him literally murdered in Gary, Indiana. Yeah, he found a way to.

[Rob Hayes]

He's just like an S M Motorcycle. Motorcycle. Motorcycler.

[Langston Kerman]

Like the motorcycle itself.

[Rob Hayes]

No, no, he just had, like, bondage gear on. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

He looked insane bad. That's a crazy outfit.

[David Borey]

Right? Yeah. A lot of weights.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah. Straps everywhere.

[Langston Kerman]

No, he did the impossible. And so you believe the disease could have been more proof of his amazing power.

[David Borey]

Right, right. But then later, people were saying he bleached his skin. And then I find these videos saying he didn't bleach his skin.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, there was a pretty big window of time in between you finding these videos and everything else you knew.

[David Borey]

Right, right, right.

[Langston Kerman]

You really rushed that middle part. And I would say that was all of your adult years.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I would say the big chunk that you skipped. All the years of just common sense building over time.

[David Borey]

I wanted to believe it. I think that's it. I think they knew that deep down there's some people that wanted to be like, Michael Jackson woke up one day and was like, what happened to me? Oh, my God. Oh, man. I gotta call Liz Taylor and tell her, like, I'm different.

[Langston Kerman]

Those people scare me. Anybody else? Because, look, I love Michael Jackson. I recognize that at the very least, what he was doing was completely unhealthy and inappropriate with those children. What scale it went to is not anything I'll ever know. And I think, frankly, any of us will ever know. Right. I think objectively, he did bad things with those kids. Just by spending the type of time he was spending with them.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah. You don't want any grown man hanging out with your kids for sleepovers.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's nasty. It's a nasty, weird thing to do. Chill out. Right?

[Rob Hayes]

Like, regardless of what their childhood was, or it's just like. That's like a line.

[Langston Kerman]

I cannot undo my relationship with the music, with the sort of joy that he represented for me. So Michael Jackson remains. I'm sorry. That said, the idea that you are so wanting him to be a God that you pretend he didn't fuck up, his nose fell off.

[Rob Hayes]

I think he's just Some people's Trump.

[Langston Kerman]

We've seen it.

[Rob Hayes]

I think he was like.

[Langston Kerman]

I think that's true.

[Rob Hayes]

I think the same way some people just. Trump can't do anything wrong. I think he can't.

[David Borey]

He's trying to hit notes. One surgery. That's all I give you. One surgery.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's it.

[David Borey]

That's it.

[Rob Hayes]

What about late Michael, though?

[David Borey]

What you mean, like, they don't care about it? Maybe they didn't do it right, and.

[Rob Hayes]

Then it just got lighter and lighter and light.

[David Borey]

One surgery. That's all I give you.

[Rob Hayes]

That's. Man, that's tough.

[Langston Kerman]

That's all you believe in is one surgery.

[David Borey]

One surgery.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, let's talk about that.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

What was the one surgery?

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no. Let's take a break.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, that's it.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's leave this on. A cliffhanger. I believe that there was one surgery that changed everything for Michael Jackson and everything else is just God, I suppose, doing what he does to the King of pop. Is that our argument?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, when we come back from this break, we are gonna find out what that supposed surgery is. This is very exciting. A beautiful cliffhanger. We'll be back. More Rob Hayes. More. My mama told me.

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[Langston Kerman]

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena.

[David Borey]

And we are here with the I.

[Langston Kerman]

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[Langston Kerman]

Thank you. Thank you for finishing my sentence. And we are here with our favorites, Daughton and Charity.

[Jenny Garth]

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[Langston Kerman]

Isn't it cold? No, it was we.

[Jenny Garth]

Well, yeah. Bikinis in the snow.

[Langston Kerman]

We risk getting hypothermia.

[David Borey]

You for those photos.

[Rob Hayes]

Wow.

[Jenny Garth]

They were sick, though.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't get bikinis in the snow. Just like an aesthetic. I don't know if him and I did that. If we did like speedos in the snow, you guys would be like, douchebags. I would be like, let's see it. Come on.

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Langston Kerman]

We're not gonna let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut America's meat.

[David Borey]

That's that on.

[Langston Kerman]

It's almost like this guy is something.

[Rob Hayes]

I swear Back.

[Langston Kerman]

We're back.

[Rob Hayes]

That's it.

[Langston Kerman]

Rob is still here. Rob is still trying to convince us.

[Rob Hayes]

One surgery.

[Langston Kerman]

That Michael Jackson only had one surgery. Please, Rob, if you will tell us what that one surgery was.

[David Borey]

He told us he had the one surgery so he could hit higher notes on his nose. He told Martin Bashir that when Martin Bashir went in his house unannounced and, you know, caused all these problems for my man Mike.

[Langston Kerman]

Martin Bashir really acted up on that interview.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we didn't even ask for that. We just chilling and then out of nowhere, it's like, I spent this time with Michael Jackson. Now we see him holding hands with some kid and stuff, climbing trees. We didn't need to see none of that.

[Langston Kerman]

We're all Michael Jackson.

[David Borey]

Yeah, come on, man. The British media, man, they know what they did.

[Langston Kerman]

So.

[David Borey]

You know, like, basically, okay. Michael Jackson. Y'all know Icarus, right?

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

You can only go so close to the sun before you. You know what I'm saying? Your wings start melting. Michael Jackson seen heights we ain't never seen. He spun more than probably anybody's ever spun.

[Rob Hayes]

Just like, physically, right?

[David Borey]

So he probably. Some of that nose, some of that color got went off in the spin, I bet.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, it's in the atmosphere.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you think he spun so fast that it literally just like, spun?

[David Borey]

Come on, man.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Have we ever seen anybody else spin like that? Why did Barry Sanders quit early?

[Langston Kerman]

He was getting too late, right?

[Rob Hayes]

It's getting too light for us.

[David Borey]

Am I looking lighter? Barry, you gotta stop.

[Rob Hayes]

He said, I wanna live in Detroit.

[David Borey]

That life.

[Langston Kerman]

You're not the man I married.

[Rob Hayes]

This game is ruining our.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't even look like your son anymore.

[Rob Hayes]

Barry, he said, you know me. I spit.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what Barry does.

[David Borey]

What you want me to do?

[Langston Kerman]

Run straight bitch?

[Rob Hayes]

You married a spinner.

[David Borey]

I just. I mean, come on, man. That's what I'm hoping.

[Langston Kerman]

Here's what I'm thinking. And I. I don't. I'm not loving what you're saying so far, but it did introduce a. At least a challenge that I. I've never faced before. What was the first day that Mike came back? That color?

[Rob Hayes]

It had to be.

[David Borey]

Wait.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah. Because you are a great timeline for this.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

What's the album timeline?

[David Borey]

Okay. It's.

[Rob Hayes]

Cause Dangerous, he was all the way. Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Dangerous, he's all the way white.

[Rob Hayes]

He's all the way white.

[David Borey]

Right, right, right.

[Rob Hayes]

And then what's the.

[David Borey]

Is Bad, the album before that Bad? Yeah. So it's between Thriller and Bad. Thriller comes out late 82. They shoot the videos in 83. The awards is 84.

[Langston Kerman]

And by thriller, he's already got a new nose, Right?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Now, you don't have to acknowledge where that nose came from, but you do acknowledge that nose was not the nose we started with.

[David Borey]

That's not the nose we started with.

[Rob Hayes]

But he's also making plays with the hair.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes.

[David Borey]

Well, I mean, that's just hair at the time.

[Rob Hayes]

Right, right.

[David Borey]

The hair's just crazy to us. Cause we grew up in a hip hop high top fade era. But, like, that was hair at the time. That was 1985.

[Rob Hayes]

That's a lot of baby hairs on Bad.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it started to transition from any version of Africanized hair and started to transition into a fine Latina woman.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

Some type of a Caribbean.

[David Borey]

I'M not gonna let y'all do this. So, okay, so the Pepsi shoe earlier, the hair's burnt, of course. So now you gotta start experimenting with wigs. They probably don't make Jheri curl wigs, you know what I'm saying?

[Rob Hayes]

He would've had the money for the technology.

[David Borey]

The hair texture might be different. And also, we don't know what grew back and what didn't grow back. You know, like, these are some of the secrets. Mike might've always had a bald spot after that. We really don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

That's fair.

[David Borey]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rob Hayes]

That is reasonable.

[David Borey]

I will say, like, 85. When he gets the Grammy for We Are the World.

[Rob Hayes]

He looked different in that We Are the World documentary. He definitely looks different now.

[David Borey]

When they recorded We Are the World, that's somebody that we know. But then when he came back to get the Grammy, he looked different.

[Langston Kerman]

You know, the recording. He is clearly still black, but he's doing a lot. It's starting to separate himself. That's how he feels from it. And then to your point, by the time they accept the award, that is a brand new person. Now, my issue is why. And maybe it just speaks to how talented this man was that he could come back a different color and everybody's just like, yeah, no, we accept that as Michael Jackson.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

I mean, he still came back strong as well, dawg.

[Langston Kerman]

But look how crazy. It couldn't exist. Nowadays, we constantly. Bro, we are calling Jamie Foxx a clone. And the nigga ain't changed one bit.

[Rob Hayes]

It's a lot of freckles.

[David Borey]

I mean. No, that's true.

[Langston Kerman]

Michael could come back a whole white woman, and we'd be like, yeah, that's Michael Jackson. That's the most famous man that's ever lived.

[Rob Hayes]

Has anyone ever done a bigger change?

[Langston Kerman]

Not at that scale.

[Rob Hayes]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Sammy Sosa, I would say, made a Sammy Sosa.

[Rob Hayes]

That was after the fact.

[David Borey]

And it's the same. I don't think anybody's ever done something, you know what I'm saying? Like, where it's like, oh, man, they changed they bones. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? That was like. They probably never seen anything like that. There was probably some people. There's also been things that people have been saying, like, you know, like, they were switching up the makeup. So you see him, you'll see him, like, in rehearsal footage and stuff. Be darker than when you see him perform and stuff. And so, like, some of it, some, like, Little Richard action going on Right. You know what I'm saying? And then also. But I mean, maybe it's like years and years of all different types of makeup, all different types of foundation, all different spins. You know what I'm saying? You mix this stuff together, things started changing. Mike would.

[Langston Kerman]

Mike bend down. The paint is coming in and.

[Rob Hayes]

Right.

[David Borey]

Teddy Riley did Dangerous. You know what I'm saying? He took us to Egypt. Don't think he ain't. You know what I'm saying? Don't think Michael Jackson ashamed of who he is, where he came from.

[Rob Hayes]

Well, Magic Johnson was in that.

[David Borey]

Remember the time Magic Johnson was in there? And it was probably some people. Naomi Campbell sat on edge about it. You know what I mean? Yeah, but, like.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, they debuted that on.

[Langston Kerman]

Wait, Naomi Campbell wasn't.

[David Borey]

No, it was Imani.

[Rob Hayes]

Iman.

[David Borey]

Iman. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Naomi Campbell was in the.

[David Borey]

Keep it in the closet.

[Langston Kerman]

Keep it in the closet.

[David Borey]

That's a good song.

[Rob Hayes]

I feel like people really don't let that.

[Langston Kerman]

That's a very formative video for me.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, yeah.

[David Borey]

The beat is great. The video is great. I really don't understand what the song is saying.

[Rob Hayes]

No, that's not the point.

[Langston Kerman]

What are you doing? Yeah.

[David Borey]

What do we keep blood on the dance floor about? That's about being a Crip.

[Rob Hayes]

That Crip picture is real. You know what picture I've always wondered is real? And I feel like you're the one to ask. The one where he's got the bottle and the two little ladies. The two little. You know, the little people. Ladies.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I know what you meant.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

[David Borey]

Clearly, I'm not the person to verify if stuff is real or not, but I've seen it, and I would love to know the story. Me, too.

[Rob Hayes]

I think about that.

[David Borey]

There's also that picture. Like, it's. It's clearly somebody, like, opened the door and took a picture and he looking stressed out.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And it's like a lady right there by the bed or whatever.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

Wait, let me see. This is.

[Langston Kerman]

This is what you're talking about with this, where he's drinking with these two little people. You're familiar with this piece?

[Rob Hayes]

I tried to put it on a hoodie, but Zazzle wouldn't let me do it.

[Langston Kerman]

What does that mean?

[David Borey]

You know, he in charge of hoodies.

[Rob Hayes]

No, those websites where you could, like, make your own hoodie.

[David Borey]

Oh.

[Langston Kerman]

They were like, this image isn't allowed.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, they could. I couldn't do that. I also tried to do one with my new bowl in the swimming Pool. And they wouldn't let me do that. Damn. That's a good. That would be a cool. On a hoodie.

[Langston Kerman]

That'd be a great. Yeah, you should get it embroidered. I bet they don't have the same.

[David Borey]

So he's got like a. Like a 40. I thought you meant like a baby bottle. And I was like, that's insensitive.

[Langston Kerman]

That is just having a good time. Yeah. But, yeah, he's not my 40. He's like, these are my people.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

No, he looks comfortable.

[Langston Kerman]

That's Lil Denise and that's Lil Mariah.

[Rob Hayes]

He looks so comfortable. Let me see it again.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he looks great.

[Rob Hayes]

That's, like, happier than I feel like he looks in most pictures.

[Langston Kerman]

They look comfy. He looks happy. Yeah.

[David Borey]

We don't know the man he was in. All kind of stuff we don't know about. We don't know about him.

[Rob Hayes]

We know he likes because when he.

[David Borey]

Died, they found 36 bottles of bleaching cream. That doesn't mean that he used them on his skin.

[Langston Kerman]

So he. This is, I think, where we get into some of the. My concerns.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

And you feel free to tag in wherever. I just. I did a quick Google of just how. What surgeries Michael Jackson underwent, and they said he underwent multiple plastic surgery procedures throughout his life. Here's a timeline of the surgery.

[David Borey]

This is all Amelia Perez propaganda, man. This ain't real, dog. This ain't real.

[Langston Kerman]

Early 80s. They say that he had rhinoplasty nose surgery to reduce size of his nose. Yeah, early 80s. So it would have to be before the Pepsi. They also said that he started skin bleaching due to his vitiligo.

[David Borey]

Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

That it was because of the skin condition. And I have seen interviews with his mom where she says that his bleaching was so severe. Not his active bleaching, but, like, the bleaching of his skin from vitiligo was so severe mostly under his clothes. Right. Which is why he started wearing long sleeves everywhere. Which is why he started wearing the glove was because it was, like, starting to spread. It started in his chest and then spread throughout his body.

[Rob Hayes]

That's so sad, man. We would have took it if you'd have just been like, I'm Michael Jackson. I got Vitiligo. We would have took it.

[Langston Kerman]

He could have Winnie Harlow that shit.

[David Borey]

There was no Winnie Harlow like, Like that. You. I mean, I. I think about that all the time, but I also think that, like, he would have had to, like, really just. I don't know. I feel like the 80s was mean. And I feel like he would have had to take. You know what I'm saying? I think, like, he would have took. It would have been all kind of jokes. He would have took all kind of. He would have took a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

He took a lot.

[David Borey]

But he took salvage.

[Rob Hayes]

He took a lot. But he did take a lot. Look at all he didn't pick. Like, he wrote Just Leave Me Alone, another great song, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

Come on. It looked like the sledgehammer video from that rock and roll the man don't miss. But he did take so much from it, right?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

I don't think he would have taken more had he let it rock than had he gone to the lengths that he went to.

[David Borey]

I agree. But I do feel like, you know, that is the tricky thing about trying to alter your appearance and especially for the perception of others. You know, there's a great comedy special about that same thing called Frontin on YouTube. You guys should check it out. But it is the curse of that thing where you're like, you're doing this thing and then, you know, the goal of altering your appearance is, you know, acceptance. Acceptance. And sometimes reaching for that is what, you know, totally get you ostracized. Totally get you unaccepted, you know. But I think his experience was so bugged out already that it probably, you know, I think that's why he was able to be so drastic, because it's like, I have giraffes in my front yard. My life is already different.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, I have.

[David Borey]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I've been taking care of this whole family since I was like, you know, my life is just different. So then it's just also like, okay, if I. You know, it might be a physical manifestation of that. Of like, hey, when you see me. No, I'm not the same. Because I'm not the same.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I mean, there is something crazy in keeping your name the same. Having gone from the brokest human being alive in Gary, Indiana, you know what I mean? With, like, nothing. Literally no opportunity, no dream, no way of accessing anything. Right. And then suddenly becoming an ascended human to the point that you are. Got like. People pass out when you walk into a room. Like, no. And you kept the name the same, right? No, I have to change something to be able to demonstrate the transformation of.

[Rob Hayes]

That into the timeline on that. Right. The eighties would have seemed. When it was the most. He was the most affected by that. Right. Like, that's the biggest transition in his, like. Cause that's when he Goes from, like, that's when he becomes icon, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

The 80s is king of pop.

[Langston Kerman]

I think the Jackson 5 were massive, but I don't think that they were like. I don't imagine that they were permanent in the people's minds of, like, oh, this group will be with us forever and always type shit.

[Rob Hayes]

And they weren't like, were they international? Like, Thriller to Bad is like, that's like, that's.

[Langston Kerman]

I think that's.

[Rob Hayes]

Now you become. Now you're a legend. You're a living legend.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I mean, I think that, like, the Jackson 5 are in, you know, are popular, but they're thought of as a novelty when they're put in a box for other kids groups. I think the stuff he did with the Jacksons when they went to Philly and Gamble and Huff and stuff, like, some of that stuff kind of solidified that as in the mix in an R and B context.

[Rob Hayes]

Right?

[David Borey]

And then when, you know, when basically off the Wall gets shunned from major category Grammys, kind of the same fight Beyonce, you know, is fighting. And so many black artists fight as far as, like, acceptance overall, the entire music industry, that's when it's like, let's go pop. Let's put gold on the jacket. It. Let's go for it. And then they did it. And they did it so well. It was like the biggest album ever. And now it's like, yeah, it gets nuts.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. So he had to. Your point, he had to make some changes. He had to. At least.

[David Borey]

I'm not saying he had to. I'm just saying that, like, I feel for Michael Jackson, and I feel like, you know, I feel like, yeah, now with the 2025 lens, we can be like, yes, he could have done so much for other people who had Villa Ligo and, like, could have been transparent and that could have been the next, you know, like, you know, instead of, you know, he could have been vulnerable. He could have showed us, blah, blah, blah. But also, I think, like, that's a lot to ask somebody who, you know, probably.

[Rob Hayes]

It also wasn't a wave like it is now, right? To do good, to be vulnerable, to be vulnerable, to go to therapy.

[David Borey]

It was still, like, to be a good person. Like, none of that was cool back then. You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's not until recently, and then it's also now died. But it wasn't until recently that we actually wanted our heroes to be human. You know what I mean?

[Rob Hayes]

Like, I don't even know if we actually do.

[Langston Kerman]

No, that's what I mean. I think we killed it off immediately because we saw a bunch of, like, human qualities in all of these people and we were like, oh, no, no, no, no. This is fucking awful. Go back to being completely separate from us. And now we can't figure out a way to put that back in.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

We want it desperately to go away and we can't fix it anymore. But no, I think Michael Jackson, yeah, he was. He grew up in an era where there are gods and there are men and he was a God and he could not show that vulnerability as a God. That said, there are many other surgeries I'd love to cover with you.

[David Borey]

All right. Rumors. That's why you want to spread rumors on your platform.

[Langston Kerman]

You my guest in the mid-80s, he apparently had additional rhinoplasty and cheek augmentation. Late-80s, he had eyeballs, eyelid surgery and lip augmentation.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, that's when they got thin.

[Langston Kerman]

That's when they got real thin.

[Rob Hayes]

Is that when the ad libs came? When it got real thin? Because that inspired.

[Langston Kerman]

There's nothing to block the noise of.

[Rob Hayes]

When they put this back. That's how you show off. Like, look what they just did.

[Langston Kerman]

He was probably saying it the whole time, but then big old juicy lips was catching.

[Rob Hayes]

It was getting in the way. Now, I like to think he wrote man in the Mirror before and he tried to sing it and he was like, no, he's not ready yet. But it was.

[Langston Kerman]

Those are blues lips, baby.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Razor, you want to sing.

[David Borey]

You going to need them boys.

[Langston Kerman]

You going to need them boys. Thin as a razor.

[Rob Hayes]

We don't realize it was for the art. That's like Rocky being like, cut me, Mick.

[Langston Kerman]

I can't do it right.

[David Borey]

I need.

[Rob Hayes]

You got to take some juice out. I got it.

[Langston Kerman]

I love that. That this was all just a beautiful effort towards making better music.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah. In the early because I do like those. That was so good.

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[Langston Kerman]

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe. And I'm Serena.

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Langston Kerman]

Thank you. Thank you for finishing my sentence. And we are here with our favorites, Dot and Charity.

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Where were you in bikinis in the the snow? Montana. Okay. She flew out and joined you guys.

[Langston Kerman]

Isn't it cold? No, it was we.

[Jenny Garth]

Well, yeah. Bikinis in the snow.

[Langston Kerman]

We risk getting hypothermia for those photos. Wow.

[Jenny Garth]

They were sick, though.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't get bikinis in the snow. Just like an aesthetic. Yeah. If him and I did that, if we did like speedos in the snow.

[Lifelock]

You guys would be like douchebags in the snow.

[Langston Kerman]

Would be. I would be like, let's see it. Come on. I would not complain. I beg him to do stuff like that. He's like, no.

[Jenny Garth]

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

If you're listening.

[Rob Hayes]

Branding a little bit.

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[Langston Kerman]

In the early 90s, he got multiple rhinoplasties, chin augmentation again, and breast implants, which he later removed. I think. I think they say breast. I imagine it was more chest implants.

[Rob Hayes]

Okay. Michael Jackson with huge titties.

[David Borey]

I don't think just a couple days, just a week, you know? See what it was hitting on blanket ain't like it. He got rid of him.

[Langston Kerman]

I thought I could breastfeed you. I thought. I thought. What do you think of the bob.

[Rob Hayes]

Haircut with the big titties?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that would be huge.

[Rob Hayes]

That would be crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

That would be crazy.

[Rob Hayes]

Was that the. You are not alone.

[David Borey]

You are not alone.

[Langston Kerman]

He really abandoned that bob vest.

[Rob Hayes]

It's not good. I think we've talked about it on here before. That was not.

[Langston Kerman]

We started to talk about it. Tiny nipples, and then you distracted us with tiny. Have you ever seen Michael Jackson's nipples?

[Rob Hayes]

That's right.

[Langston Kerman]

Have you? You?

[Rob Hayes]

Yes, you have.

[David Borey]

I feel like he. I've seen him.

[Rob Hayes]

Olivia, that's smut. I'm sorry. Olivia's showing us pictures of Michael Jackson with titties showing smut that ain't.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't see it, but I'm excited.

[Rob Hayes]

It sucks.

[David Borey]

It's Mike in a bra, man. Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Hitting like it's supposed to hit. Nah, nah, I got you.

[Rob Hayes]

I'm sorry. Continue. The. We're talking about the Bob.

[Langston Kerman]

He got his Bob, but in the meantime, he also, in the mid-90s, got a face lift and Botox injections.

[David Borey]

Y'all believe that? I don't believe it.

[Langston Kerman]

In the 90s, he all. Late 90s, he got more rhinoplasties and a skin graft to repair damage from lupus.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Rob Hayes]

See, it's real.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, I am seeing that picture now, and it does suck. You're right.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Langston Kerman]

And then in the 2000s, he got additional skin grafts and laser treatments. And then, of course, in 2009, he died from cardiac arrest from taking all that propo.

[Rob Hayes]

I feel like in the 2000s, we weren't really seeing him as much visually.

[David Borey]

See him at court. Yeah. On top of a blanket Suburban and stuff, you know?

[Rob Hayes]

Right.

[David Borey]

The blanket thing. That was the 2000s.

[Langston Kerman]

A lot of umbrellas, a lot of. A lot of face masks. He was early in.

[David Borey]

Early in the face mask. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

But the. But compared to how exposed he was before, like, we watched him kind of our lifetime is watching him go further and further inside.

[Langston Kerman]

I think he went through so many sort of, like, heartbreaks just with, like, the accusations around, obviously, him being, you know, a sex criminal, but then additionally, like, the shit with his kids and, like, getting sort of exposed for whatever those weird relationships were. All the civil trials he was facing down, all the weird. Like, then, remember, there was a period where he had started, like, suing his company, his record label, for racial injustice, and he had, like, linked up with Johnnie Cochran, trying to, like, recoup funds off of what he claimed was them trying to tank his career. Like, I think he was so disillusioned with the world that you had to put an umbrella up and go inside.

[David Borey]

He had Johnny Cochran first, though. He had Johnny Cochran before O.J.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, he was before O.J.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Yeah. He might have gave O, say, Johnny's number in. In the 90s, Johnny Cochran was on board. And then either Johnny Cochran had to leave or they settled or whatever. Or, yeah, Johnny Cochran left, and then they settled or something. Johnny Cochran don't take no Ls, you know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

Crazy.

[David Borey]

So then. Yeah, but then. Then when O.J. got away, Johnny Cochran, it was like he got lawyer to the stars.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa. That's crazy if that's. That's who O.J. called.

[David Borey]

I don't know if that's who he called. I'm just saying.

[Langston Kerman]

Mike, I need a number.

[David Borey]

Fans.

[Rob Hayes]

There's only one man I can call.

[Langston Kerman]

Call Johnny.

[David Borey]

I. I wouldn't give you his number, but I heard you had a glove on, so, you know, gloves got to stick together, man.

[Rob Hayes]

If you believe that was his real voice.

[Langston Kerman]

I do not believe that.

[David Borey]

Nah, that wasn't his voice. No, we've heard. Yeah, we've heard his real voice.

[Rob Hayes]

Mad.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, in that. In the recordings for the video game, I think they had.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, that boxing game.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's what it was, the boxing game. They have the lost files of him Ready to rumble.

[David Borey]

I wish they had told us that was him. You know how many arguments I had in school, man? There ain't no real Michael Jackson voice he don't even know about. Ready to rumble. Yeah, man. It was really him. That's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

It's not.

[David Borey]

Cause I think they couldn't advertise it. I think Michael Jackson was in such hot water at the time. I don't think they could really advertise that it was him in the game. But, yeah, I bet that's why he changed his voice. Yeah, I bet he was like.

[Langston Kerman]

He was like, out of respect to what y'all got going and you're still gonna represent me. I'll give you my voice. I. I'll change it. I'll just give you a different Michael Jackson.

[David Borey]

He made some of the songs for Sonic.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't know that.

[David Borey]

The original one of the, like, like on the Segas. Yeah, on the Sega.

[Langston Kerman]

The video games.

[David Borey]

Yeah, the video games. Crazy Ghost produce some of Summer Sonic.

[Langston Kerman]

Like when Sonic's underwater. That's crazy, man.

[Rob Hayes]

That was good.

[Langston Kerman]

You remember, like, that's so cool.

[Rob Hayes]

Hang out to just listen to the song.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

And he starts tapping and he puts his hand on the tip.

[David Borey]

They would steal from music, though. Back in those days, they, you know, it was like the wild, wild West. Nobody was protecting IP in 16 bit form. So, like, yeah, there's some songs that's like, man, this sound familiar? And it's like, yeah, they was taking a step.

[Langston Kerman]

That sucks. I guess it's also pretty cool. I don't know some of legal. And I say this fully being a person who I. I hope doesn't get all of his propriety ideas, whatever, stolen.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

I really don't like the laws around fair use. I really feel like you made some shit. I should be able to Just I want to put your song in my thing and I don't want to have to ask for it. And I know that's not nice, right?

[David Borey]

But I guess it's to prevent people from just totally jacking your song and just, you know, and I think there should be laws on it. And then it's like, nah, it's my song.

[Langston Kerman]

I think there should be laws around that. I think that's crazy. If you made something, it should be yours and it should. You should be paid properly for that.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

I just hate that the way that artists are forced to make their money is by having to manage all existence of their song anywhere.

[David Borey]

Right?

[Langston Kerman]

Rather than. Rather than you just getting paid off of the greatness of something you made. And then anybody can throw it on their fucking DVD because it's a great song and we can all appreciate that you got paid properly for it.

[David Borey]

Right? Right.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, but that's never gonna happen.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's my problem is that fair use is just us being punished for you all being snakes with the very artists you claim to represent.

[David Borey]

That's real. That's real. But I mean, like, it sucks now. Like, I feel like this generation I see, you know, being that I received so much Michael Jackson stuff, I get into Michael Jackson versus Prince stuff all the time. But there's so many people that don't have knowledge of Prince because he was so protective of his IP online from the mid 2000s, basically until he died. And so there's so much Prince stuff that people didn't discover. There's so many people that don't have knowledge and they're like, why would you even compare these two? But part of that is because they don't even know how like crazy Prince was going in the 80s. They don't know about a lot of his music. They don't know about a lot, you know, a lot of his influence and all of that. And it's like, you know. But part of that was. Cause he was so tight. Like if you had a baby dancing in 1999, he'd pull it down. You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

Have y'all heard about the. The Prince documentary that.

[Rob Hayes]

Oh, they pulled it, right? The estate pulled it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. So Netflix basically commissions this documentary from the same dude who made the OJ documentary. The. The one that was like.

[David Borey]

So it's like Oscar winning 30 for 30.

[Rob Hayes]

So it's not like a. It's not like a puff piece. It's like a.

[Langston Kerman]

No, this was like a true deep dive. And apparently I learned all this on the day daily. But apparently he went to the vault because that's how they, they basically, you know, Netflix got the rights to what was in the vault. And so they went to him and were like, we're giving you all his shit. Go in the vault. Go ahead, make the documentary. He goes in the vault. He's like, bro, all the meaningful shit has been scrubbed that like, Prince was so on top of it in terms of keeping it private. He scrubbed anything that would have been like, like sort of casual moment or anything that was like caught off guard ass Prince. It just is all clean photos and shiny shit, right?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And so he's pissed because like, this sucks. I've been. I got access to the old the vault and it still sucks. I'm never gonna learn about this dude. And he goes on a six year mission talking to every single person who considered themselves in any way, shape, shape, form close to Prince, who will talk to him and. And truly makes what they describe in the Daily as a masterpiece of a documentary about this dude. Really exploring like most of his childhood, unpacking all of this trauma that created the character, like really like digging into relationships and his, his sort of like abuses and also like the abuse that he put out, like all kinds of shit, unpacking, packed. And then the family, the estate saw it and was like, we gave them 17 pages worth of notes being like, we don't want this in there. We don't want that in there. That can't exist. Nobody needs to know about this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the do. He was like, yo, I can give you like a taste, but I can't. I can't lie about what I've discovered, right? And then they, Netflix and them were just like, fine, then it'll never exist. And they, damn. And now it's gone.

[David Borey]

Somebody got it.

[Rob Hayes]

Somebody got it.

[David Borey]

Somebody got it. Somebody got it. That might be my new mission to get the freaking Prince doc, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

I. I have mixed feelings about it, if I'm being honest with you. Really?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Part of me is like, well, obviously I want to see the documentary.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm such a massive Prince fan. It would mean the world to me to know more about this person. But I also think he did it. He beat the fucking game, bro.

[Rob Hayes]

That's what I was thinking as you were describing it. I was like, damn, he got away clean.

[Langston Kerman]

He set out to keep his world private. Despite being arguably the most talented human being that's ever walked the face of the earth. He was like, I'm going To leave this world with you knowing nothing about me. And he did it. And if you can do that, you deserve that privacy. You deserve to go into whatever afterlife exists for you, knowing that, like, you beat the game. Instead of this other version of the game where, like, a person dies and then we dig through all their. And go, ain't this crazy?

[Rob Hayes]

He had this the whole time? Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

We need to know about that for.

[David Borey]

Oh, no. He could still have his privacy. I'm not gonna tell nobody. I just want to see it.

[Langston Kerman]

You just need it.

[David Borey]

Yeah. No, nobody's. Nobody. Everybody else gotta know. I just want to see it.

[Langston Kerman]

I think the hard part is there are 1 billion people on the planet who feel the same way. I won't tell nobody.

[David Borey]

No, I ain't gonna clip it. I ain't gonna make no content. You know what I'm saying? I'm just gonna see it, and, you know, I ain't gonna talk about it unless somebody else seen it.

[Langston Kerman]

There we go.

[David Borey]

Now you lying now. Somebody else saw it. Then we can have a conversation. Questlove had to see it. Somebody don't see Questlove.

[Rob Hayes]

I'm be like, yo, you see that Prince doc?

[David Borey]

You see that Prince doc?

[Langston Kerman]

There's no way. They call you. They go, rob, we're gonna do a private screening. Just you, no one else. We're gonna let you watch the Prince documentary. You watch the entire Prince documentary, you have tears in your eyes by the end of it. It is that meaningful to you to get this moment. And then you walk out of that documentary. You go back to your home. You go back to your wife. There's no fucking way in the world that while y'all are brushing your teeth late at night, you don't go. The documentary was pretty crazy. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

I would tell my girl that.

[Langston Kerman]

You're gonna tell somebody.

[David Borey]

They know. I'm gonna tell my wife. Come on, man. She can't even testify against me. They know that.

[Langston Kerman]

And there's no way your wife isn't going back to her very challenging job. And then being like, what were y'all up to this weekend? I didn't do much. But I'm gonna tell you, Rob, got to see that Prince.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Everything is gonna. It's gonna become public knowledge. This never stays private.

[Rob Hayes]

I mean, that being said, how many people worked on it? There's, like. A lot of people have seen it, I'm sure.

[Langston Kerman]

On the documentary. Yeah, I bet a lot of people have seen it.

[David Borey]

But I bet there's editors.

[Rob Hayes]

There's like, the whole.

[Langston Kerman]

I bet a Lot of it. A lot of what it is, we know now because John, just of word of mouth that he was both controlling and abusive and complicated is ultimately what it all shows is that, like, he was abused, was put out of his childhood home at 12 by his mom, then at 14 by his dad. He truly had to get.

[Rob Hayes]

How old was he when they found him in that park?

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I'm saying. He had to get it out the mud at, like, 17.

[David Borey]

That's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I assume he just played the album for his parents and they were like, well, you don't need to go to college.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Rob Hayes]

Honestly, you probably.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[David Borey]

Yo, that's crazy. I didn't know about this at all.

[Langston Kerman]

His mom was, like, apparently super, like, cold and, like. And they. Their relationship was toxic. But then he moved in with his dad, who he loved and admired, but his dad was hella religious.

[Rob Hayes]

Too blind.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Would, like, beat the. Out of him?

[David Borey]

Absolutely. Come on, man. He's something you can ever comprehend. You know what I mean? He told us this.

[Langston Kerman]

But that's also part of what they claim makes the. The documentary so masterful, is that all these songs that you thought were about sex and sexuality are actually, like, just hammered with this duality, where it's also about, like, a person struggling to find community, a person struggling to, like, to place their identity in a world that has rejected them from the beginning. It's like, it creates, like, all these fucking layers for who the human is. But also, he didn't want us to know, and I kind of respect that. He figured out a way to keep that so quiet.

[Rob Hayes]

It's crazy that Minnesota is the backdrop.

[Langston Kerman]

For all of this the whole time.

[David Borey]

I mean, I respect it. I do feel like the reason his estate is protecting this is not. Not for him. No, not for them. But just because it might affect the bottom line. There might be some people that are like, I don't want to play Prince music anymore, knowing certain things, and that's all they care about. You know what I'm saying? Like, Prince music was on Tidal only that's the reason that I had Tidal the minute he died. We go in the train station. It's Spotify ads for Prince all over the train station.

[Rob Hayes]

It's like.

[David Borey]

You know what I'm saying? Like, they. They just. There's some people in that camp just out to make a buck.

[Rob Hayes]

And it does feel. It is very disheartening. Like, when you go to the Minneapolis airport and there's that Prince store.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

You're like, damn, if there was Some shit he would have hated, right?

[David Borey]

It was.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. He didn't want this.

[Rob Hayes]

He didn't want that at all.

[Langston Kerman]

And the documentarian talks about it in the interview that I listened to. He talks a lot about how, like, even going to Paisley park, it's not like you're being informed on who Prince is. It truly is just a big gift shop. Like, they've turned it into, like a fucking, you know, Hard Rock Cafe for Prince more than it is like, a real testament to, like, his ever changing positions on, like, the world on responsibility. The nigga died a Jehovah's Witness, right. It's not even a knowledge like his.

[Rob Hayes]

One of the numbers.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

How many years there's supposed to be.

[Langston Kerman]

A hundred sixty thousand or something like that. It's something crazy that you the proud. Yeah. No, I mean, we're. You're not even given the chance to get to know who he is based off of the estate. Even regardless of, like, what becomes the more complicated details of his past. They won't even give you a chance to do basic knowledge on what Prince. Who Prince was. And so in that way, it is disheartening where you go. No, I think it would be really good for us as humans to know that our heroes can again be these complicated figures and still valuable. That said, I also respect that my hero really pulled a fast one on us. And I gotta say, big up, man. You did it.

[David Borey]

I can live with that. I do. You know, when you put it that way, I do feel like that is ill. And. And yeah, I was looking forward to like, nah, we going in your stuff, dog. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think that's the better way to just. Yeah. Chalk it up to the game, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn, man. He might be the last one.

[Rob Hayes]

We know somebody won because I don't think a lot of people win that 100%. I don't think that's really. I don't think a lot of people win that.

[Langston Kerman]

Daniel Day Lewis himself.

[David Borey]

He's still alive.

[Langston Kerman]

Dan Lewis? Yeah, he's still with us, but we don't know anything.

[David Borey]

He might mess up. He might mess up.

[Langston Kerman]

He might mess up.

[David Borey]

He might slap somebody.

[Rob Hayes]

We don't know. I don't know where he's at.

[Langston Kerman]

He keeps it pretty private.

[David Borey]

Yeah, we'll see. He met this. Who he playing next, you know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

Frank Ocean, kinda. But he got messy friends, so we be learning. We be learning little tidbits about him every once in a while. Yeah. I don't know, man. It's not a lot of the private slow left. So.

[Rob Hayes]

And I hate to say this on this medium, a lot of that is because podcasting.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, we're ruining it for sure.

[Rob Hayes]

It's like too much.

[Langston Kerman]

How much of this is just gossip. We just come on here and gossip about.

[Rob Hayes]

Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, I thought you knew. We just got.

[Rob Hayes]

No, stop it. Just don't say it.

[Langston Kerman]

I think we did it. I think we did it, man.

[Rob Hayes]

This is pretty good.

[David Borey]

Feels like it did.

[Langston Kerman]

I think certainly I still believe Michael Jefferson Jackson got a lot more surgeries than you do, but I do, I guess, if I may, I do think there maybe is a more complicated reasoning behind the surgeries than just self hatred. The way that it's often been right.

[David Borey]

It's often painted as the man wanted to be white man.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I don't see it like that.

[Rob Hayes]

It's more complicated than that, for sure.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's definitely more complicated than white man.

[David Borey]

You ain't never spun like he spun.

[Langston Kerman]

Never spun like that.

[Rob Hayes]

I tried. I tried a lot of spinning.

[David Borey]

I got a scar on my chair trying to do the smooth criminal lean. Not knowing that, like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Rob Hayes]

It was a different shoe technology.

[David Borey]

I just thought if you train your calves the right way, you know what I'm saying, you can get back up and then bow.

[Langston Kerman]

They stapled that man to the floor. Yeah.

[Rob Hayes]

You still gotta be strong, though, no.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's a bunch of us that even with that technology, wouldn't come close.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Certainly not for real.

[David Borey]

Right through them special shoes.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah.

[David Borey]

Expose the whole trick to the world.

[Langston Kerman]

I just zioned a hole in them shoes. There's no way in the world I.

[David Borey]

Would have pulled that off.

[Langston Kerman]

Rob, could you tell the people where they can find you? What cool shit you got going on?

[David Borey]

You can find me. I'm on the inconsistent podcast with Rob Hay. Comes out when it's ready. Yeah. You know, it's inconsistent in branding and in nature. I do the in season podcast with my boy Jamel Johnson. Also watch Lil Kev. Yeah. Also fronting out now. It's on all streaming platforms. It's a album. It's also a special you can watch on YouTube. We like watching people talk, but yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, hell yeah, go watch Rob.

[David Borey]

Go.

[Langston Kerman]

Go listen to Rob. Go watch his shit. What you got?

[Rob Hayes]

April 25th and 26th. I'm gonna be at the Dallas Comedy Club May 8th through 11th. I'm gonna be with Rob, right? Oh no. In Are you going to New Orleans?

[David Borey]

Maybe I won't be with Rob, but I'll be.

[Rob Hayes]

I'll be in New Orleans May 8th through 11th. Cool Guy Jokes 87 on Instagram patreon.com davidbori by my special Birth of a Nation. It's the best special I've ever had.

[Langston Kerman]

That's true.

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

That's objectively true.

[Rob Hayes]

I'm gonna say that every special.

[Langston Kerman]

I like that. You can follow me at Langston Carmen on all social media platforms. You can see me live April 10th I'll be in Salt Lake City. And then April 17th I will be in Vegas at Wise Guys and you can send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories. You could tell us what color Michael Jackson would have been if he were still alive today. [e-mail] we would love to hear from you. Give us a call at 844-LIL-MOMS. Buy some merch like rate, subscribe, review, do all the important things that you need to do and most importantly, bleach.

[David Borey]

Bitch, I don't give a fuck who say what bleach on crib.

[Langston Kerman]

My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and I.

[Rob Hayes]

Heart Podcast, created and hosted by Langston.

[Langston Kerman]

Kirman co hosted by David Bore executive.

[Rob Hayes]

Produced by Will Ferrell Hansani and Olivia.

[Langston Kerman]

Aguilar co produced by Bay Wayne Edited.

[Rob Hayes]

And engineered by Justin Kah Music by Nick Chambers artwork by Dogon Krieger.

[Langston Kerman]

You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube, follow YMama told Me and subscribe to our channel.

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