Pon de Satan (with Langston Kerman and David Gborie) RE-RELEASE

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Momma Told Me – "Pon de Satan" (with Langston Kerman and David Gborie) RE-RELEASE

Release Date: September 25, 2025
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie

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Episode Overview

This re-released episode of "My Momma Told Me" dives into one of the show's signature styles: exploring Black conspiracy theories with humor, cultural critique, and candid personal experience. Langston Kerman and David Gborie banter their way into a semi-serious (but mostly hilarious) examination of the persistent theory that high-profile cultural events—most notably, Rihanna's Super Bowl halftime performance—are rife with demonic symbolism and Illuminati connections. Along the way, the episode touches on Black nostalgia, pop culture, code-switching, and the religious imagination of Black America.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter and Black Nostalgia

Timestamps: 02:37–10:52

• Langston and Bori reminisce about figures like Kevin Hart, Terence J, AJ & Free, and Bow Wow, humorously critiquing the "talent" of various Black entertainment heavyweights.
• Conversations about high school reunions and social dynamics highlight their penchant for blending personal anecdotes and cultural analysis.
• Memorable Quote:
  • "We finally work to prove that when Kevin Hart got in that car accident with his side piece and then he ran away, it wasn't an accident. It was, in fact, an assassination attempt, because he was on his way to buy the rights to Think Like a Man 3." —Langston (04:07)

2. Setting Up the Episode’s Main Conspiracy

Timestamps: 10:52–13:57

• Introduction of the central topic: an audience-suggested theory that the Super Bowl (and similar high-profile concerts) are “demonic”—a topic inspired by conspiratorial interpretations of Rihanna’s halftime show.
• They discuss the enduring Black suspicion of mainstream spectacles and the perceived presence of “demonic” or Illuminati rituals in pop culture events.
• Quote:
  • “My mama told me that the Super Bowl was demonic.” —Langston (13:57)

3. Blackness, Sports, and the Threat of Appropriation

Timestamps: 14:13–16:17

• Veers into cultural anxiety about whiteness “taking over” Black cultural institutions like the NBA and hip-hop.
• Langston and Bori use Luka Dončić, Nikola Jokić, and Eminem as examples of white figures succeeding in traditionally Black spaces—and the unease that provokes.
• Quote:
  • “If they take basketball from us, I have a gun, and I'll go to the streets.” —Bori (14:34)

4. Examining Rihanna’s Super Bowl Performance: “Demonic” or Just Iconic?

Timestamps: 17:23–21:16

• Deep-dive into the specifics: Rihanna’s hand symbols (the “Roc”), her red outfit, and the rapid social media rumors about devil-worship and Illuminati gestures.
• The hosts analyze whether these gestures are genuinely “demonic” or simply part of pop culture’s interplay with provocative symbolism.
• Quotes:
  • “There were a lot of Illuminati suggestions. It’s a real fruit salad of crazy demon shit.” —Langston (17:23)
  • “If there was a Black pop star who I think would worship the devil...I think it would be Rihanna.” —Bori (21:17)

5. The Devil: Black, White, or Misunderstood?

Timestamps: 22:14–41:31

• Philosophical and comedic exploration of race in the imagery of good and evil: Is the devil Black? White? Does it matter?
• Langston stands firm that the devil is a big white dude; Bori argues for a more nuanced—or even “Black is beautiful”—take on the devil.
• Discussion of how Christianity, colonialism, and pop culture shape Black American perceptions of these archetypes.
• Quotes:
  • “For me, the devil is a big, old, sturdy-chested white man.” —Langston (37:56)
  • “I'm with Rihanna, where it's like, I don't even know if the devil's all bad.” —Bori (37:08)
  • “You're demonizing your own people. This is bad.” —Langston (38:29)

6. Entertainers, Symbolism, and Playing with the Devil

Timestamps: 41:31–58:16

• The mingling of spirituality, showmanship, and publicity: are pop stars purposefully invoking the devil for shock value (like rock stars with Satanic imagery), or is it all just marketing?
• Comparison between staging “demonic” performances and other celebrity spiritual bandwagoning (Ashton Kutcher and Kabbalah, etc.).
• Quote:
  • “Anytime you're performing your religious faith...you’re just being like, ain’t this kind of fun and silly?” —Langston (56:04)
  • "It’s done in the spirit of entertainment more than it’s done in the spirit of actual spirituality.” —Bori (57:02)

7. The Nuance of Faith, Privilege, and Cultural Imagination

Timestamps: 58:16–60:02

• There’s a direct thread drawn between class, economic stability, and the “luxury” of exploring spirituality.
• Entertainers can dabble in whichever ideology or symbology they like, but such privilege is unavailable to most.
• Quote:
  • “Being a Buddhist as a poor person—which arguably is kind of how you should do it—is a lot more difficult...than to be a Buddhist when all your needs are met.” —Bori (58:17)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Funny Moment | |-----------|-----------|--------------------| | 04:07 | Langston | “We finally work to prove that when Kevin Hart got in that car accident… it wasn’t an accident. It was, in fact, an assassination attempt…” | | 13:57 | Langston | “My mama told me that the Super Bowl was demonic…” | | 14:34 | Bori | “If they take basketball from us, I have a gun, and I’ll go to the streets.” | | 17:23 | Langston | “It’s a real fucking fruit salad of crazy demon shit…” | | 21:17 | Bori | “If there was a Black pop star who I think would worship the Devil…I think it would be Rihanna.” | | 37:56 | Langston | “For me, the devil is a big, old, sturdy-chested white man.” | | 56:04 | Langston | “Anytime you’re performing your religious faith, you’re just being like, ain’t this kind of fun and silly?” | | 58:17 | Bori | “Being a Buddhist as a poor person…is a lot more difficult…than to be a Buddhist when all your needs are met.” |

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Other Memorable Segments

• The Rihanna–ASAP Rocky Devil Romance: Fantasizing about Rihanna luring ASAP Rocky into devil worship after sex, involving “killing a goat together” (23:53).
• Code-switching by Celebrities and the Hosts: Hilarious discussion of Travis Kelce’s shifting speech patterns, SNL’s Adrien Brody’s Jamaican accent, and Tarantino on 106 & Park (41:43–46:43).
• On Entertainers and Spirituality: Comparison of pop stars’ satanic gestures to Ashton Kutcher’s Kabbalah phase (57:25).

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Engagement, Listener Takeaways & Tone

• The duo utilize a unique blend of cultural critique and Black barbershop-style humor.
• Listeners get a thorough dissection of paranoia around demonic symbolism in Black pop culture—and why such narratives endure.
• The hosts debunk simplistic readings but delight in wild theorizing; their playful arguments highlight the difference between "spirituality" and the commodification of the “demonic” by celebrities.
• Concludes with love for Rihanna and ASAP Rocky, celebrating their partnership and poking fun at the internet's wildest claims.

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Structure / Segment Timestamps

• [02:37–10:52] Black Nostalgia, pop culture roast
• [10:52–13:57] Setting up the “Super Bowl is Demonic” theory
• [14:13–16:17] Cultural fear of white “takeover” of Black domains
• [17:23–21:16] Rihanna’s allegations, Illuminati & Super Bowl breakdown
• [22:14–41:31] Devil’s race, Christian symbolism, and personal views
• [41:31–58:16] Pop stars, showmanship, and spiritual “performance”
• [58:16–60:02] Spirituality, class privilege, and Black American faith
• [60:02–end] Wrap-up and comedic sign-off

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Final Thoughts

With sharp banter, irreverent takes, and in-depth cultural references, Langston and Bori dissect how and why the sight of a pop star in red, throwing up triangles, becomes fuel for Black conspiracy theory. They ultimately argue that the so-called “demonic” is more playful spectacle—entertainment rituals for the masses—than genuine spiritual warfare. Still, the duo never misses a chance to celebrate Black culture’s imagination, suspicion, and world-building.

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[Langston Kerman]

You seem angry, Eminem. And then. And then he stopped being angry, and it's like, hey, man, you gotta get angry again. Because.

[Bori]

Yeah, because this is.

[Langston Kerman]

Whatever. This is way worse.

[Bori]

You are bad at being on drugs.

[Langston Kerman]

Now you're. Now you're rapping at Trump. This. This feels. This feels like a mistake, Eminem.

[Bori]

And listen, we all wanted to do it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bori]

We all. We all thought about it. You know, only you and YG executed this.

[Langston Kerman]

And everybody was proud of YG for it.

[Bori]

I really wasn't mad at that song.

[Langston Kerman]

Because he could have been out wearing dress shoes and murdering people.

[Bori]

But, yeah, I'm scared of yg.

[Langston Kerman]

I. Terrified of yg. I didn't even like saying that joke.

[Bori]

No, no, no. When you put the dress shoes on, you're like, I'll let you do it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Nah, I'm not gonna.

[Bori]

The government growing babies. Microchips in your anus. All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money. Martians invented turkey stuffing. Y' all can't tell me nothing.

[Langston Kerman]

Bang, bang, bang. Skeet, skeet, skeet. There it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My My Mama Told Me.

[Bori]

The podcast, where we dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories, and.

[Langston Kerman]

We finally work to prove that when Kevin Hart got in that car accident with his side piece and then he ran away, it wasn't an accident. It was, in fact, an assassination attempt, because he was on his way to buy the rights to Think like a man 3. That's right. The man was gonna own it all. And Hollywood stepped in to try to murder.

[Bori]

They weren't ready for the trut of TM3. They didn't know what to do with TM2.

[Langston Kerman]

They were terrified.

[Bori]

They were terrified. They couldn't have that again. They'd be in an uproar.

[Langston Kerman]

They were like Kevin Hart and Michael Ealy in a single film. This is. This is crazy.

[Bori]

Turtle from Entourage. Now we have real star power.

[Langston Kerman]

Terrence J.

[Bori]

Acting. Terrence J. I don't think he was acting. I think he thought it was a documentary.

[Langston Kerman]

Terrence J. Kind of being himself.

[Bori]

Yeah. Like, what's he gonna do? What is he talking about? He's talking about fraternities and shit. What's he ever doing? Terence J really loves that fraternity that he.

[Langston Kerman]

Terence J. He loves the cues, man. He's really committed. He's. He's committed more than he is to. To any version of working harder or being talented.

[Bori]

So you don't think Terence J. Is talented?

[Langston Kerman]

I do not. I'm going to go. I'm going to be very direct and passionate about this, and I know. Listen, look, I get it. Hosting is a talent in and of itself. Like, there's a skill there that I fully acknowledge. Everybody cannot be a great host. That said, we all could do better than Terrence J. I truly believe that with all of my heart.

[Bori]

Is it that you don't find him charming?

[Langston Kerman]

I. I'm not sure anyone finds him charming.

[Bori]

Do you think Roxy was doing all the heavy lifting?

[Langston Kerman]

I think that him and Roxy were. Well, I think. And I think this is now known. Him and Roxy were fucking at one point, and I think that that. That meant that there was a complicated tethering of their. Their persons.

[Bori]

I will say that was one of my least favorite. That was one of my least favorite 106 and park duos.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, the Bow Wow era was better than that.

[Bori]

Bow wow was. You know who I liked? I liked AJ and Free.

[Langston Kerman]

Everybody loved AJ and Free.

[Bori]

Where's aj?

[Langston Kerman]

He went on to be on the E. Entertainment Network and shit.

[Bori]

Oh, is he?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he cut his dreads and he became like a very. Like, I talk about E. Shit.

[Bori]

Okay. Like, he's on a suit.

[Langston Kerman]

No, he's not that fun. He's more like. He's more like Oscar recaps type shit.

[Bori]

Okay, but he's still getting a bag.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah, he's getting a bag. AJ's. AJ's still cooking free, unfortunately. I don't know. Is necessarily. She tried rapping for a little bit.

[Bori]

And then they always try rapping. It's like. Nobody wants to hear you rap. Angie Martinez.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, this is. You can go ahead. Shut that off, sister.

[Bori]

We don't like it. So Free's gone, man. I want Free to be okay.

[Langston Kerman]

The only thing I know about free after 106 and park is that that ass stay fat. You always check on that. And that she was on a Whisper Song remix that Free was. Free was. And she was being nasty. No, Free was being downright disgusting on that Whisper song remix.

[Bori]

I didn't even know. I did not know, man. Dog, I just. You want to feel old? I just googled it.

[Langston Kerman]

23 years ago was when 106 and park started.

[Bori]

Yeah. Was when AJ and free were on 106 and park. That can't be right.

[Langston Kerman]

No, yeah, it's right. I was in high school. I was watching that shit. And maybe it was middle school, even high school.

[Bori]

What year did you graduate high school?

[Langston Kerman]

09. No, that's not true. 05.

[Bori]

I was like, whoa, yeah, I graduated. 05. Lex is young as hell.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no. Let me be clear. I'm old enough to forget.

[Bori]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm old enough that, like, my 20th is coming and I'm like, I gotta book, like, two more TV gigs and then I'll go.

[Langston Kerman]

Can't show up like I am right now.

[Bori]

No, no. I gotta be better than them.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

Did you go to your ten year reunion?

[Langston Kerman]

I went to my ten year. It was.

[Bori]

I didn't go.

[Langston Kerman]

It was actually really fun. There were some weird elements to it. Like, there were like, three girls that just weren't invited because the people organizing it didn't fuck with them. And it was like, hey, y', all, I don't know if this is right.

[Bori]

But did they not come? Did they crash?

[Langston Kerman]

No, they didn't crash. And I get why they don't fuck with them. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not like I'm, like, oblivious to why there's infighting happening here. But then at the same time, it was like, I don't know. Legally, this feels. This feels a little.

[Bori]

You gotta get. You gotta give everybody a shot, you know? Like, come on, man. That's. I get it. Like, were they, like, problematic girls? Like, jail time or something like that?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it wasn't as far as jail time, but it was like a lot of, like, still trying to fist fight in their 30s type shit.

[Bori]

I get it. But you gotta give everybody a shot. Cause there's probably fades. They've been wanting to run since 05.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah, let's be clear. There are people who wanted to beat me up that were still a part of that and vice versa. There were people who I wanted to give a knuckle sandwich or to that I still had to be like, oh, man, that's cool. You sell insurance now. That's crazy.

[Bori]

See? Yeah, I didn't go. I was gonna go. And then I got. This is how long ago it was. I got a show at the Comedy Store that I felt like I couldn't miss. I know. I know, man. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing as hell. And I was like, I gotta stay in LA and work on my dream.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, man, this is my first time in the belly room. I can't.

[Bori]

Yeah, it's the belly room. That's two rooms away from the big leagues. So I didn't go and then. But then I saw pictures and I was like, I've got a lot of angle.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you didn't have to.

[Bori]

I didn't like. I don't really like anybody. We're gonna take a. We're gonna take a class of 05 football picture. Like I don't give a shit.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. We should get into our conspiracy.

[Bori]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's do it.

[Bori]

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Langston Kerman]

No. What are you apologizing? This is our chaos. This is why.

[Bori]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

This is what we do best is.

[Bori]

I think there's probably somebody out there deciding whether or not they're going to go to their tent.

[Langston Kerman]

And if that's the case, I would say go and maybe be the person that causes chaos. Be the person.

[Bori]

Be the one who fucks people.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

Show up and just fuck people.

[Langston Kerman]

Show up and show up and make a married couple question everything.

[Bori]

Yeah. Get hot. Yeah. Spend this next six months just in the gym, no carbs, and then show up and just fuck on everybody.

[Langston Kerman]

They. They do now publish the crash diets that, that celebrities go on to be like sexy marvel motherfuckers.

[Bori]

You.

[Langston Kerman]

You can access that shit. The workouts are, are a lot, but you can handle it. Get sexy and destroy a family at your 10 year reunion.

[Bori]

I did see that from the pictures of my tenure. We had a couple snipers couple like, couple like couple snipers couple. Oh, you were quiet in health class, but I always knew you were sitting on that. And you showed up and let it be known.

[Langston Kerman]

I showed up and everybody looked like Lieutenant Dan. It was a true. It was a true who's who of survivors of vets just, just limping their way through.

[Bori]

Oh, no. We had a couple people get hot.

[Langston Kerman]

Nope.

[Bori]

Damn. I guess he said nope.

[Langston Kerman]

That didn't happen for me. Everybody I had a crush on.

[Bori]

Were you single at yours? You were single back then?

[Langston Kerman]

No, I was fully married, so maybe.

[Bori]

Oh, damn. That's not as extreme.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but my brain ain't uncalibrated to like, oh, shit. Such and such got bad. And my brain.

[Bori]

Mine is. Mine is. I've been on TV now. What's up?

[Langston Kerman]

I'm saying I can still see it. I. I don't. There's no part of me that's like questioning. You know what I mean? I'm not like married brain where I'm like. I didn't even notice there were bitches here.

[Bori]

I Thought, okay, yeah, you took it in.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm scoping. I'm. I'm trying to see what's happening this way. And. And, buddy, shut it down. We can go ahead and turn down the factory for the night.

[Bori]

Oh, five. Try to survive. Yeah, man, That's a bummer.

[Langston Kerman]

We have a conspiracy today that I would say Olivia pitched. Olivia, it's safe to say, sort of prompted this conversation and then introduced a few deep dive parts to it that we were both excited to talk about. If we can find the right phrasing for this, I would say, feel free to correct me if there's a better way of saying this. I think it would be like, my mama told me that the super bowl was demonic.

[Bori]

Yeah, I think it's like. Yeah, I think that's as close as. I think. It's just any type of, like, major concert. It feels like there's, like, an outpouring of demonic shit that happens all the time.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

Like, I'm sure people were throwing it up at All Star Weekend, which was in Utah, weirdly. And then a white guy wins dunk contest. What's that song? What's that all about?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's a white guy winning the dunk contest. And Post Malone is like, your. Your headliner. It's all. It all feels very intentionally white in a way.

[Bori]

I'm saying this right now. If they take basketball from us, I. I have a gun, and I'll go to the streets.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what? I also have a gun, and I'll join you.

[Bori]

If they find a way to take basketball. I'm not. I can't live here like that.

[Langston Kerman]

I'll join you. Yeah, I can't. You know what's going to be crazy? If they. If they do somehow find a way to become champions of basketball. You know what I mean?

[Bori]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

If, like, Luka truly becomes what a bunch of white guys have dreamt, Luka could be, because Luka's a phenomenal player.

[Bori]

Jokic plays for my team. I get it.

[Langston Kerman]

They. They want luka to be LeBron's, like, the. The man who LeBron will eventually have to hand a basketball to and say, you are the greatest scorer. Not me. You're the best.

[Bori]

He doesn't have it. He doesn't have the personality. Luca sucks.

[Langston Kerman]

They. They want that for him, and if.

[Bori]

I know. But he sucks. You see that guy? That guy sucks.

[Langston Kerman]

It feels like a very. Like, if that happens, we're then going to have to deal with all the shit with, like, oh, maybe you're not that athletic. And maybe y' all ain't like real motherfuckers. Maybe. Maybe you're just clowns. It feels like it's going to bleed into every cult part of our culture.

[Bori]

I see it coming down the pipe. I'm. I'm nervous, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

I got a friend in this village, so it's going to be for basketball.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, they're. They're going to question everything. They're going to be like, is growing up in a black neighborhood even that challenging?

[Bori]

Yeah. Start rapping more.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And when we rap, they're going to be like, he ain't even.

[Bori]

Because you know what I noticed about them? They just like, fast rapping. If you could just rap fast, that's good to them.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bori]

They're just going to all come out rapping off fast, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, they. They love multi syllabic fast raps. That's their.

[Bori]

That's what I'm saying. Was Eminem great? Yes. Did he also kind of rap like a weirdo who. Like. He was a weird. He was. He was rapping about killed his mom. That's not.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no. And if it wasn't his mom, it was. Yeah, it was his wife.

[Bori]

Those are the bars I need to get me through my youth. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I mean, Eminem's whole, like, rap career is like, Bob Hope set. You know what I mean? It's just him being like, get me out of here with these broads.

[Bori]

And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he hates. I think he hates women. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think he just hate women.

[Bori]

Cartoonish violence. Spec girl ate my whole leg like an egg roll. And you're like, what? I don't know if I think this is good.

[Langston Kerman]

I will say that the initiation of this conversation came from Rihanna. Rihanna's performance at super bowl and a number of articles that Olivia sent us that basically suggest that she was connecting herself not only to devil worship and sort of demonic imagery, but also the Illuminati simultaneously. There were a lot of Illuminati suggestions. It's a real fucking fruit salad of crazy demon shit that they're saying she's a part of.

[Bori]

I mean, I do think the one thing is just the Rock. I think everybody. She threw up the Rock. And I feel like for years people have been trying to say that the Rock is. I don't think that throwing up the rock is demonic. I think some of the other shit could be. I think it was just. That was what they were doing. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I think I agree.

[Bori]

It just happens to be a triangle. Above your forehead was a diamond. It's a diamond.

[Langston Kerman]

It's supposed to be a diamond. Although hers was very triangular for the first time in a weird way that felt like confusing, if nothing else, because.

[Bori]

She did do a triangle.

[Langston Kerman]

Fuck, yeah. Damn the rock. Cause that's what I was on. I'm like, oh, she's throwing up the Roc A fella shit. It's like a Roc Nation, I guess, now.

[Bori]

Yeah, she's on Roc Nation, right?

[Langston Kerman]

But Roc A fella shit. And maybe Roc Nation is a triangle. Maybe he, like. He brought it in a little bit and he was like, yeah, we. We on that triangle shit now. But it used to be a fucking diamond.

[Bori]

If I'm not mistaken, it was a diamond. And she did. She did. She did throw up a triangle. Wearing all red also. Why was she wearing all red?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it felt like delta shit. Like, I. I didn't understand if, like, Rihanna pledged and you know what I mean? She's like, this is my probate. I'm coming out as a DST for life.

[Bori]

Cause it was like, why none of those. I guess the Chiefs have read. Was that, like, her silent, like, going for Mahomes? No. Cause I can't imagine she likes Patrick Mahomes.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't think she likes Patrick Mahomes. I think she.

[Bori]

Although she likes LeBron.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but LeBron ain't Patrick Mahomes. LeBron loves black people.

[Bori]

Patrick Mahomes is like, he'd rather us not. He acknowledged it. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I feel like Patrick Mahomes did that one commercial with Jake from State Farm, and he was like, that'll do, niggers. That'll.

[Bori]

His dad's black as hell, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, his dad's black as hell. But you ain't never seen them interact too much.

[Bori]

I saw him hug after the Super Bowl. It was amazing.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I think it's like how you hug the other team. You know what I mean?

[Bori]

Yo, you really want this guy to not be close to his father?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I don't think. I think his father's terribly close to him. I think he wants to be in his son's life. But I don't think that Patrick Mahomes is, like, turning to his father for advice. Do you know what I mean?

[Bori]

No, his father's not like a dad. It's not like LeBron's dad. His father.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I get it. His father is very much in his life. His father played professional football. I think. I think all of the reasons for Patrick Mahomes to be connected to his father are there. I think he just knows that nigga. And it's like, I'm. Okay.

[Bori]

He is mad niggas. He was smoking a Philly Blunt.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

He was like, what are you doing? He's like, we're smoking out of Philly Pac. How does he even know?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, he shouldn't even know that Lingo because he's 60, but that didn't stop him.

[Bori]

All right, well, all right, that's fair. But back to the Rihanna. I do think that if. Okay, here's what I'll say.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

If there was a pops. If there was a pop star, a black pop star who I think would worship the Dev. I think it would be Rihanna.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[Bori]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You're saying. You're saying one. You get one that you're like, my first guess of who worships the devil in the black pop space, and your first thought goes to Rihanna.

[Bori]

Yeah, I think it's cool. I think the devil is sexy. She's very sexy. I think the devil is well dressed. She's very well. I think, like, it wouldn't be Beyonce.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't think Beyonce would ever worship the devil?

[Bori]

She's a soldier for the lord for sure. 100%, no questions asked.

[Langston Kerman]

You think Beyonce's like, attending virtual church on Sundays?

[Bori]

Yeah. She's from Houston.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

Now, Rihanna's from the island. That's where they made up voodoo.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Barbados. She's from. She's from a very. I dare say the most voodoo of the. Of the islands, where I'm like, preacher. Where I'm like. I bet they be doing voodoo down there. Because the stereotype would be, like, Haiti or fucking Jamaica or whatever the fuck it is. It's more Haiti, I guess, would be the. Maybe the most, like, stereotypical. But I bet those off those, like, little smaller islands, that's where they really cook.

[Bori]

That's where they really get. That's what I'm saying. And she just, like. You know what I mean? She smokes weed.

[Langston Kerman]

Stay off the damn weed.

[Bori]

She smokes hella weed. Like, Beyonce doesn't smoke weed. Beyonce, I think, has maybe a wine problem that we don't talk about, but she is not. You know what I'm saying? I just feel like Rihanna seems more in tune with the devil than any other pop starlet that's black that I can think of.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I. Yeah. Fuck, yeah.

[Bori]

You can see it now that you think about it. Yeah. I don't want it.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't want it to be true. I want. But Hey, I don't. I don't mind my Rihanna. A little devil worshipy. I don't know.

[Bori]

I like it better.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's not bad. It doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. Yeah, I like that. She truly is just bad girl riri all the time. And this isn't just like a haircut and a character kind of.

[Bori]

No, no. I think she put ASAP Rocky onto the devil.

[Langston Kerman]

You think that's how they hit it off? That he was like, yo, you opened up my devil eye.

[Bori]

I think they hit it off. And then they were laying there afterwards, she lit up a blunt and she said something kind of like, you know, dark energy is the same as light energy or some shit like that.

[Langston Kerman]

And then she brought him in, I think, for sure.

[Bori]

And now he's fully in.

[Langston Kerman]

And he was like, what you say? And she was like, oh, nothing, Rocky. And then rolled over, and he was like, huh? And then in the morning, pancakes, they're chilling. He was like, I want to talk a little bit more about that dark light thing. And she was like, I'm glad you asked.

[Bori]

Yeah, she took his hand. She took him to the basement. They killed a goat.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And she. She, like, stood behind him like Patrick Swayze and Ghost while they killed the goat.

[Bori]

Yeah, she made him kill the goat.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It was really. But it was like they did it together and there's this weird bonding in it.

[Bori]

Yeah. And she was, like, whispering in his ear while he was cutting it on the altar. And then. And that's how she got pregnant.

[Langston Kerman]

And she was like, I don't know. You could drink the blood if you like. He's like, for real? Yeah. No, it's not going to hurt you or anything.

[Bori]

He's like, all right, try it now. Look at the beauty.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm from New York. I'll try them once.

[Bori]

Yeah, he was already. He was already open to it. He was already open to it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

And now look at him on the COVID of British Vogue.

[Langston Kerman]

I will say that the harrowing amount of accusations being thrown at him of being somehow gay for.

[Bori]

He put two in Rihanna. What are you talking about? Like, we gotta chill on that.

[Langston Kerman]

For having sex with the most beautiful woman on the planet is somehow making him like a cuck is the. Is the wildest, funniest thing.

[Bori]

It's haters, bro. It's all hate. It really? Like, I don't like to, like. I like to chalk shit up to haters. I'm not one of those people. Yeah, but that's like, that. What else could that possibly be.

[Langston Kerman]

It's not love.

[Bori]

He puts two and Rihanna back to back, and you have the nerve to fix your mouth to say, this guy's gay. That's the least gay shit I've ever heard of anybody doing it. Stolen her career. She can't work while she got babies. She can't work while she's got babies in them. I mean, she can.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, she can, she can, but she can't.

[Bori]

Like, a bunch of.

[Langston Kerman]

Right. She can't do it forever the way that she normally. Yeah, it's also.

[Bori]

She's a billionaire. She's probably not coming back.

[Langston Kerman]

I had. I had a pretty lengthy debate with. With my wife and a friend yesterday because they were saying they didn't want them to get married. They were like, yo, I don't want. I don't want them to get married. She's a billionaire. It just feels like he's coming in and it's like, y' all don't get to do that.

[Bori]

No, you don't get to do that.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't get to do that.

[Bori]

You didn't want to be happy. Were they married? One? Was your wife. Was the other lady married?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, well, it was my wife, and the other lady was not married. No.

[Bori]

Is she happy?

[Langston Kerman]

She is happy. I'm not going to. I'm not going to. She. I think she's a very happy person.

[Bori]

That's fair, that's fair, that's fair. How's Wiley?

[Langston Kerman]

But. But I think the suggestion felt terribly like some shit that, like, we men used to say in 2004, where we were, like, still accusing women constantly of being gold diggers and just marrying for money. And it's. No, y' all don't get to, like, go through the same errors we went through and pretend like it's progress. You know what I mean? Every black woman I know is having sex with a white man and accusing people of, like, trying to take her money. It's like, hey, we evolved, y'.

[Bori]

All.

[Langston Kerman]

Y' all gotta get past this shit, too. You gotta grow up and know that all this stuff is. They. They should be married if that's what they want.

[Bori]

Also, Rocky wasn't light coming in.

[Langston Kerman]

No, he didn't show up.

[Bori]

Like, she's a billionaire, but he's still a millionaire.

[Langston Kerman]

Multi, multi millionaire.

[Bori]

And I would say at some point, the difference is negligible.

[Langston Kerman]

Right?

[Bori]

It, like, becomes. It's not a difference in lifestyle as much as it's just, like, numbers on a. On a computer screen. Right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. More than anything, he didn't show up with a fucking bindle on a stick, right? He's. He's a. A mega, platinum performing artist, Right. We are nearly as thirsty for new ASAP Rocky music as we are for. Not for Rihanna music, but. Yeah, but we all like his music quite a bit, I'd say. It's. It's well received.

[Bori]

He's a model. He was. He was doing well. He was doing well.

[Langston Kerman]

He hangs out with Tyler, the creator, and Frank Ocean.

[Bori]

Yeah, he was doing. It was cool for him. It was like. He's not like, I think they should get married. I think. I think it's beautiful. I do think if they get married, though, I don't think she comes back. I don't think we get a lot of Rihanna ever again.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa. You think. You think she's. You think she's gonna.

[Bori]

Do.

[Langston Kerman]

You think she's gonna do something before she goes there, then? Is she gonna give her taste?

[Bori]

I think she's gonna Lauryn Hill. I think she's out.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, is she just gonna make an acoustic album and then be like, I'm done?

[Bori]

I think she likes having kids. She married her version of a Marley, and I think that's how she's gonna live. Why would you. You're a billionaire. She's not old, right? Rihanna's. No, she's.

[Langston Kerman]

She's 34. 35.

[Bori]

Younger than us.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

Why wouldn't. Why wouldn't you just go off with your billions and run Savage Fenty? Why would you? Being an entertainer is daunting.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

No, Seems like it sucks. Like, she got a bill. Who cares?

[Langston Kerman]

I have to imagine there's a part of her that's sort of going through that Eddie Murphy shit where he. I. For those that are unfamiliar, Eddie Murphy, at the age of, I want to say, like, 27, basically said, like, yo, I. Every time I perform now, the. It's. It's not fun because I'm doing too well that, like, people scream so fervently throughout my entire thing and laugh at every joke so hard that. That it truly lacks anything. Like, I don't feel shit anymore because it doesn't even feel honest. And then he just walked away from comedy maybe forever. You can't really go, I would.

[Bori]

I. I get that, man. You see Jerry Seinfeld do comedy? It's trash, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's one of the nobody more painful things I've ever witnessed.

[Bori]

I fell asleep watching this dude, Judd Apatow, one time. Like, that shit sucks. But, like, people like, I get it, man. Get me on two more TV shows. You'll never see me again.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I don't know what I would do after one special. I think if I get like a dope hour that everybody is like, that's a heater. I might just call it quits, bro.

[Bori]

You think I want to keep going to Great Falls, Montana Forever? Forever?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, it's. It's too much.

[Bori]

No, man. I'm gonna write a book or some. Whatever you do after this.

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[Langston Kerman]

I okay, so let's return to this devil worshiping conversation because I do think a few things need to be addressed. But one of the things you brought up was the fact that she's dressed in all red. And I should note that I think, And I'm not 100% sure, but certainly Twitter seems to be of the belief that the all red was actually an homage to Andre Leon Talley, that she was wearing a very iconic jacket. Yeah, the big black guy. Yeah, the now dead big black designer. Who.

[Bori]

Oh, he had a documentary on him.

[Langston Kerman]

A big old puffy red coat in a very iconic picture of him. And she then was wearing that coat for the performance.

[Bori]

Interesting. I always thought he could fight that guy.

[Langston Kerman]

All right.

[Bori]

I don't know why.

[Langston Kerman]

Just because he was huge.

[Bori]

Yeah. And just in interviews he always seemed like there was a low. He always just seemed like there was a. Like he was just holding it back. But there was a high capacity for violence. But okay, so it's. When did he die, though?

[Langston Kerman]

He died, I believe.

[Bori]

It wasn't that recent, was it?

[Langston Kerman]

It was like a year and a half ago, maybe. Something like that.

[Bori]

That feels like a long time to do that.

[Langston Kerman]

Here's what I will say, though, in relation to Andre Leon Talley. Andre Leon Talley did spend the bulk of his life worshiping white women, specifically Anna Wintour, who some could argue is in fact the devil. And his devil worshiping could be some sort of like deep third, sort of like off the beaten path reference to Rihanna's worship of the devil, if that makes sense.

[Bori]

Here's the thing, though. To me, I don't believe that Rihanna worships white women.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes. But I do think she acknowledges that they are the devil, like, or devils, rather. That they are part of the grander devil universe.

[Bori]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't think she absolves them from their existence in this shit.

[Bori]

Well, I think that we need to go right now to do we think the devil is black or white? Oh.

[Langston Kerman]

This was part of our debate even the other night, because you sort of were taking a very hard stance that DeAndre Angelo is the devil. And I've only seen the devil as a white man. I've never once in my mind, even. Even in Tales from the Crypt, when. When they. They end up making the devil a black man, I'm like, ah, y' all just being silly. That's like Hamilton. Okay, cool. Yeah, this is. This is devil Hamilton.

[Bori]

I mean, now this is gonna. I'm gonna go with this, too. I'm gonna say I'm with Rihanna, where it's like, I don't even know if the devil's all bad.

[Langston Kerman]

So you don't see the devil as a white man?

[Bori]

No, I don't. No, No, I don't see the devil as a white man.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

Which saying it out loud sounds coonish for some reason.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, I wouldn't have said that. I wouldn't have said that. Certainly.

[Bori]

That made me feel so bad.

[Langston Kerman]

You might as well have picked up a music box and started doing a jig. You know what I mean?

[Bori]

Like I said, massive.

[Langston Kerman]

That's crazy.

[Bori]

No, I can't be the only black person who doesn't think. Feel like the devil's a white person.

[Langston Kerman]

You ain't gonna get a.

[Bori]

There's no. This is.

[Langston Kerman]

I. I'm not over there with you, bro.

[Bori]

This is.

[Langston Kerman]

For me, the devil is a big, old, sturdy chested white man.

[Bori]

Like a Paul Bunyan type.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm thinking more like the deep voice dude from Seinfeld. You know what I mean?

[Bori]

Oh, putty. Yeah, he's in all the cartoons.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he's the devil. To me, that's where that seems about right.

[Bori]

Damn, this is fucked up. I got to do some reading or something.

[Langston Kerman]

There's some soul searching inside. You got to explore.

[Bori]

Guess I gotta go back to bell hooks.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you're demonizing your own people. This is bad.

[Bori]

No, I told you that I don't think the devil is bad, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, you don't think he's bad.

[Bori]

But see, that needs to be understood in unpacking all of this.

[Langston Kerman]

Sure. I think that we Are all complicated individuals filled with nuance. I don't think that.

[Bori]

You see, you're not saying that. But you call me coon. I hear it in your fucking voice.

[Langston Kerman]

Maybe you're just a cool. You know what I mean? Maybe the end ain't there.

[Bori]

Don't do that to me. Don't do that to me. Don't do that to me. All that Terry Crews nonsense.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe the words coon, each letter stands for something more elevated.

[Bori]

What do you say? Like, cool outside, out of pocket, nigger.

[Langston Kerman]

But it's a hard R on that nigga.

[Bori]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, it's a hard R. He knows. He knows this place.

[Bori]

It's in the house. Fuck. Damn, that hurts.

[Langston Kerman]

I will say that to your larger point. And we actually explored this a little bit on pause with Sam J. Rip.

[Bori]

Rip.

[Langston Kerman]

I will say that we actually sat down with a self identified devil worshiper. And one of the things that he talked about was that the suggestions of the church of Satan and sort of like being a devil worshiper being negative is really just some Christian propaganda more than it is, like, what they believe in.

[Bori]

It's about being self sufficient, I think. Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And it's really, truly about finding happiness and sort of like creating happiness and that happiness perfect to everyone around you.

[Bori]

So ultimately, me thinking that the devil is black is sort of like, I'm the most free person ever.

[Langston Kerman]

Wow. I mean, you know, that's starting to sound a little Kanye, if I'm being honest.

[Bori]

Don't do that to me. No, no. I do not think slavery was a choice. I'm anti Hitler. I just have some views on the devil.

[Langston Kerman]

Black ass.

[Bori]

Yeah, with big lips.

[Langston Kerman]

Big old devil lips.

[Bori]

Dancing around, playing the trumpet.

[Langston Kerman]

See, to me, if the devil was even, like, pretending to be black, he. It like, looks like when Adrian Brody did that Jamaican accent on snl or not. Yeah, Adrien Brody did that.

[Bori]

The pianist.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he. Oh, you've never seen this?

[Bori]

I never seen this at all.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, it's the reason he got banned from Saturday Night Live. What is? Because he came back from. I believe he was throwing to a musical guest and he decided to put on a Bob Marley wig and a wife beater. And he throws to the musical guests in patois. No, he does a full patois accent and throws to the musical guests. And then. And Lauren was like, you'll never come back here ever again.

[Bori]

Yo, wait, was it a Jamaican musical guest?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't believe it might have been Sean Paul. Yes. Yes, I was right. It was Sean Paul. But here's what's so phenomenal about it. When they normally do the throws, they just say, ladies and gentlemen, Sean Paul.

[Bori]

Right, Right.

[Langston Kerman]

But instead, Adrian Brody goes wagon and like, goes for like.

[Bori]

What? What step? Now it's bobsled time.

[Langston Kerman]

He like truly does a full run and then goes. And then Sean Paul just has to perform like his culture wasn't destroyed by the pian.

[Bori]

Yo. I don't know how I miss that. I usually love watching white people out themselves.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, it's truly one of the more.

[Bori]

Is it better or worse?

[Langston Kerman]

Fascinating choices.

[Bori]

Quentin Tarantino on 106 and Park.

[Langston Kerman]

Ooh, ooh. I don't have a great memory of Quentin Tarantino.

[Bori]

I do remember it being. He was promoting. He was promoting Django.

[Langston Kerman]

I know it had to be Django.

[Bori]

It was like, it was like him and it was like him and Jamie Foxx was up there and I think Samuel L. Jackson and he just like, bro, I don't know what happened, but.

[Langston Kerman]

He was like doing that thing that, that the football dude is doing right now. Was Matt Kelsey. What? What? He's where? He's like code switching at all times.

[Bori]

Oh, but they are Matt. I think they grew up around black people because his like that all the time.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but his brother is like that.

[Bori]

Like, I think Travis Kelce is dating a black woman.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but you didn't see him. Did you see him on Fallon this past week?

[Bori]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, he cleaned that up real quick. Yeah, I know the, the, the Philly one. He's more like a big old down home white boy. But Travis Kelce.

[Bori]

Where are they from, though? They're from like Ohio or something, some shit.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but Travis Kelce sat. Sat across from Jimmy Fallon. And buddy, he. He sounded like Clay Aiken the entire time. He ditched the whole. He ain't call him fam or nothing. He ain't do no cool daps. It was just a dude with a fade talking like a governor. You know what I mean?

[Bori]

Listen, I mean, code switching is complicated.

[Langston Kerman]

You're a fan. You're like, I'm not gonna sit on.

[Bori]

I think it's hilarious. But there's a lot going on here right now.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

I mean, first of all, I want.

[Langston Kerman]

To say we've lost the whole track.

[Bori]

Yeah. Quentin Tarantino on 106 and Park. Look it up. Oh, he was talking about Rick Rock. They were like, oh, the soundtrack is really good. Right? And then Quentin Tarantino's like, yeah, you know, we got my man Ricky Rose on the track. Oh, no. And then like, even Jamie Foxx is kind of looking at him like, yo, what's this dude doing?

[Langston Kerman]

And he just.

[Bori]

Like, he just got. He got carried away. He got carried away.

[Langston Kerman]

He just Urban dictionary his way through.

[Bori]

And listen, I'm not gonna lie. Like, I haven't been drunk and then started speaking a couple Spanish words and got carried away before. We've all done that. We've all done that. You know what I mean? You had too many margaritas, and now you're up in there like, yeah, yeah. You know, that's what I'm saying. That's why I can't be too bad at it. It's like, we. We've all been there.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I don't. I. It's hard to vouch for. For Quentin Tarantino in any of this.

[Bori]

Because I'm not vouching for Quentin Tarantino. But you've never been in, like, a Mexican. You never been in Mexico. Oh, no.

[Langston Kerman]

I. I'm fully identifying with you. And no, I haven't done it in Mexico. I'm not. I'm not a piece of shit. I've done it. I've done it to people who have.

[Bori]

At.

[Langston Kerman]

To be amongst shitty Americans. I didn't go to somebody else's territory and then do the fucking accent like a piece of garbage.

[Bori]

It wasn't like a piece of garbage. It was like, you're on the resort. It's all inclusive. My man was getting married. Like, we're drinking. There's another wedding there. And then you just start saying, because I was pretty good in Spanish in high school, I wasn't doing. I wasn't like. I wasn't like, I ain't chicharone. Like, it wasn't, like, terrible, but it was like, you get excited.

[Langston Kerman]

I Chicharrone.

[Bori]

Yeah, you get excited. You get excited. I was using the osted. I was using the osted.

[Langston Kerman]

I got you. You were trying to go crazy with the shits.

[Bori]

I was also, like, 21. This wasn't like.

[Langston Kerman]

Recently, I do think that. That I have found myself certainly feeling like a looseness around a culture that I probably shouldn't have felt.

[Bori]

Yeah. That's all I'm saying.

[Langston Kerman]

And being a little too liberal with the shit that said, what was that culture? I'll be honest. I feel like if you've ever been to any of the Caribbean islands, they are constantly putting on more of an accent than they actually have.

[Bori]

Now you're saying that they're code switching on you.

[Langston Kerman]

On the resort specifically, they are very like, everything is yaman, Yama, Yaman. And it's like, bro, there's no fucking way you talk like this in, in the real world. And I know that because I'm an intelligent, experienced person who has been around Jamaican motherfuckers and people from St. Lucia and that said, if they do it, hey, I'm gonna do it with you.

[Bori]

No, man. It's like, because when you're underwater, like, even, like when I went to Sierra Leone, there's like no other. I'm the only one who even kind of talks like me. It just gets in there. It just.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you just start. You start tanking around with, with birds and shit.

[Bori]

Yeah. But then I didn't come home speaking patois. I came home and I went to high school and I was normal. And I think maybe that's what happened to Travis Kelce.

[Langston Kerman]

I got you that. He knows. He knows a different way. But he's been on these resorts with niggas for too long.

[Bori]

That's what I'm saying, bro. He's been down at the all inclusive, drinking Marcos, getting a little too comfortable for a little too long.

[Langston Kerman]

And they just keep playing Project Pat around him all the time.

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[Bori]

And he's just like. And he's just in it, you know, he's like, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Know this how I talk, fam.

[Bori]

She's a dope. It's all I know.

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[Podcast Host]

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[Langston Kerman]

I do think to your grander point about the possibility that Rihanna is a devil worshiper, that I think these negative associations of the devil really are more part of the propaganda than we like to acknowledge, especially for black people. I think our deep rooted relationship with Christianity, certainly black people in America, makes it feel like the devil has to be like this evil, looming, awful thing and maybe the devil is like all of us, a little more complicated than we'd like to acknowledge.

[Bori]

I think so for sure. I think he definitely code switches because I also think that what is Jesus doing for you?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, Grandma.

[Bori]

I get that with my family because my family in Africa is very Christian. Yeah, I'm like, bro, this man has not been showing up for you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he's not nailing it for no, no, no. A big part of the, I would say just the, the whole diaspora, global south, you know what I mean? Like truly like the fucking everything south of the equator is getting fucked because of Jesus largely. And then not questioning everything else that happens in relation to Jesus.

[Bori]

Yeah. Like I, yeah, so it's like, it's less that I think that Jesus is a white man. If that's by the way, to go.

[Langston Kerman]

Back to that conversation.

[Bori]

I think Jesus is white.

[Langston Kerman]

So for you, Jesus has a white almost evil upon him that I think.

[Bori]

The Jesus that they all worship, it looks just like those pictures they paint him.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

I think the real one was an Arab guy. Obviously.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I think that the story they needed to exist could only exist with a white man. I don't think that it holds value for the level of control and manipulation if that's just a dark skinned Arab guy.

[Bori]

Exactly. I think all the things, all the terrible things they did in his name, that was in the name of a white man.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And that's the motivator you need is a lanky little white man.

[Bori]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

To fight for.

[Bori]

That's who did it. That's who did all that shit. It wasn't like an enlightened era, man. It was a lanky little white guy.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm not fighting that.

[Bori]

See, that's what I'm saying. So I'm all about the devil code.

[Langston Kerman]

Switching and Jesus was white, dark skinned devil, light skinned Jesus.

[Bori]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, and if you did your Googles, if you did your Googles, you would know that I'm actually the freest person you know.

[Langston Kerman]

It's you and Kyrie, baby. You both free.

[Bori]

Yeah, yeah. Different, different documentaries, same.

[Langston Kerman]

I, I, I agree with, with some of what I'm hearing here. I will say that. I think and just to circle it back to the, the sort of like root of this conversation, I do think that even the depictions that we've seen in music and in culture for like musicians and performers relating to like devil imagery and like connections to it. J. Hova is secretly him calling himself Jehovah because he's God, which is demonic, all that bullshit is to me part of them just having fun with the, the, the fun of the devil. They're just, okay, that's silly billies with stuff.

[Bori]

That was my question. Demonic, because I do wonder if there is a level of them doing this stuff on purpose because they know it's salacious like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I don't know enough about rock and roll. I. I always hear about rock and roll people being like rock metal. They love the devil. Is it like. At what point is it like, is it. Is it done on purpose?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think so. I think it's. It's. It's.

[Bori]

To me, it's like a. It's like a gimmick as much as being gangster or whatever. Yeah, same type of thing.

[Langston Kerman]

I'd say that, like, look, all right, if we break it all down, right? I think anytime you're performing your religious faith, you're. You don't. You're not really in the. In the middle of the faith. Right. That, like, my relationship with whatever I believe in is often a very private sort of, like, intimate thing. At the point that you're, like, putting on a costume, it's just being like, ain't this kind of fun and silly? You know what I mean? And that would be true of God.

[Bori]

And to profit from it or.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, exactly. That's true of God or that's true of the devil. And so I think they're just being like, let's just do some wild shit and be silly. And sometimes it's putting on angel wings, and sometimes it's putting a little. Little tail in your butt.

[Bori]

Okay, I'll take that. Like, it's all done in the spirit of entertainment more than it's done in the spirit of actual spirituality.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Bori]

I'll take that. I think that, that. I think that that aligns with what I know of entertainers as well.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

I think entertainers in general are very quick to put on different lifestyles and ideologies.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

So I think that, like, I think the devil. What's the difference between Rihanna having a set where she's fucking with the devil or Ashton Kutcher being into Kabbalah for six weeks?

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Bori]

You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. They're just. They're just performing a little fuck around and being like, hey, I'm. I am. I make enough money at this point that I could explore something outside of all the things that. That I was buried under when I was in less control, be it less wealthy or, you know, whatever the fucking circumstances. It's like, yeah, I'm going to go get fucking painted on my arm and call that religion for a while and then walk away from it.

[Bori]

And it's like, there's so many things that, like, I see entertainers embrace so many things where it's like, you couldn't have done that if you were poor.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Bori]

Being a Buddhist, as a poor person, which arguably is kind of how you should do it, is a lot more difficult of a thing than to be a Buddhist when all your needs are met. You understand?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And I'd say that's true of nearly every religion, right?

[Bori]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

It's like, it's so much harder to be any of this shit if you are hungry or fearful of where your next paycheck is going to come from. All that.

[Bori]

Exactly. Of course Russell Wilson believes in God. I would too, if my life was that. If I was a world class elite athlete. Always had been. You know what I mean? Like, of course you would. He plays, you're blessed.

[Langston Kerman]

He's playing terrible football and Subway is still making commercials with him.

[Bori]

Yeah. Like, it doesn't. It's hard to feel like. Yeah, I would think that there. I would think that there was a God more than I would think that I hit a genetic lottery.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, there's something. And that's what's also crazy with these guys is like, yeah, you hit a genetic lottery, but if you. If you've been an elite athlete, you've seen people who hit the same genetic lottery you did that didn't make it as far. And so you trick yourself into being like, well, this is God's blessing upon me. And not just factor in that, like, oh, y' all just worked insanely differently. Or they like to drink more than you do. Like.

[Bori]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Or you had all this shit.

[Bori]

Or you probably had a solid family base and they.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's like they.

[Bori]

You know what I mean? It's like you grew up not in chaos, so it's a lot easier to, like, convert that. Because what is it to be an athlete or to be great at anything? It's repetition. Right. And not being like, knocked off that day in, day out.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

All right, well, we solved it.

[Langston Kerman]

I think we solved it. It seems like maybe Rihanna was telling us that she loves the devil up there, but. But who cares? She looked like she was having a great time. And we're excited that ASAP got her. Got her all chubby again, huh?

[Bori]

He's an mvp.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Good for you. Asap.

[Bori]

Yo, I can't believe they try to slander your name.

[Langston Kerman]

You. I worship. Whatever ASAP worships.

[Bori]

Hey, yeah, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Cause it's working out. That's paying off.

[Bori]

And his skin is incredible.

[Langston Kerman]

Incredible skin, incredible life. Come on, man.

[Bori]

Yeah, he should believe in God.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. He don't even get his braids done that often. And he's just killing it.

[Bori]

Then never lose.

[Langston Kerman]

Never lose.

[Bori]

Then Never lose.

[Langston Kerman]

Can you tell the people where they can find you and what cool shit you have going on?

[Bori]

Yeah, I got a cartoon on Adult Swim. Royal Crackers premieres on HBO Max April 3rd. Then you can also come find me at. Okay. March 23rd through 25th, I will be at Rooster Teeth Feathers in Sunnyvale, California. March 31st through April 1st, I will be at the Dallas Comedy Club in Dallas, Texas. And April 7th through 9th, I will be at the before you dive festival in Anchorage, Alaska.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell yeah. Go see Bori perform in some of the more obscure places that this country has to offer. He's doing all of them. And as always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman on all platforms. And if you want to send us your drops, your conspiracy theories, your own obscure locations where you'll be performing, you can send those to mymamapodmail.com and please go and subscribe to the YouTube page. Go. Like go watch the videos. We still have a lot of videos all coming up.

[Bori]

Speaking of the YouTube page.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Bori]

How many subscribers are we at?

[Langston Kerman]

There's no reason to dig into that. That's neither here nor there, I feel like.

[Bori]

And I haven't checked in a couple days. Look, I think it's over 1000.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's just address this now. At 1000, I somehow was forced to into doing a nunchuck tutorial, which I'm not prepared for, frankly. But I will do it.

[Bori]

I. I just have to start now.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm gonna start now. But you will get your nunchuck new tutorial. I'm not going to back out on the word that I never gave that says that harmonica is coming up. Harmonica. Harmonica tutorials.

[Bori]

2000 is a lot more than 1000.

[Langston Kerman]

It is a lot more. But it didn't take us very long to get to 1000, so I'm feeling good about embarrassing myself and you embarrassing yourself shortly after.

[Bori]

Yeah, it's gonna be bad. Oh, also, go to Moment Co and download the livestream of the live My mama told me.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, the live show was fucking great.

[Bori]

It was incredible.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, we'd love for you to see it. Go to Moment Co. My mama told me. And there you will see the chance to buy the live stream.

[Bori]

All the shit you want to have happen happened, it happened. There was singing, there was dancing.

[Langston Kerman]

There were people accusing each other of being Michigan J. Frog as a result of their singing and dancing. It was great.

[Bori]

Some people said other people couldn't read. Rampant colorism. It was amazing.

[Langston Kerman]

And yeah, go see it for yourself. At Moment Co. Mymama told me. And that's all the stuff. Okay, bye, bitch.

[Bori]

The government growing babies Microchips in your anus. All koala bears are racist. The ozone player owes me money.

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