The Youngest Child is Always Spoiled

Summary

My Momma Told Me – “The Youngest Child is Always Spoiled”

Podcast: My Momma Told Me – Big Money Players Network & iHeartPodcasts
Air Date: October 21, 2025
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie
Guest: Takara Williams (Comedian)

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Overview

In this lively, hilarious episode, Langston Kerman and David Gborie bring on comedian Takara Williams to dissect the Black household conspiracy theory: “The youngest child is always spoiled.” The group swaps stories on birth order, evolving parenting philosophies, and the realities behind claims of favoritism. Beyond sibling dynamics, they wander into generational differences in child-rearing, the pitfalls of social media, viral content, and cultural evolution. The show keeps its trademark irreverent and insightful comedic style throughout.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Conspiracy Theory Deep Dive: Are Youngest Children Always Spoiled?

• Takara’s Perspective:
  • Her older kids claim the youngest is spoiled.

    "My mama didn't tell me that. My two older kids told me that." (12:49, Takara)

  • She observes her parenting has changed: with her oldest born at 16, and her youngest coming 10 years later, the youngest really does get a different parental version—more attention, more calmness.

    “It's not even that she's spoiled. She's an only child at this point because my two oldest don't live there anymore.” (12:57, Takara)

• Langston & David’s Experiences:
  • Both commiserate over their own families—different resources, parenting bandwidths, and the simple passage of time make the youngest’s life materially easier.

    “I think it's just basic needs that were able to be met.” (17:41, David)

  • They agree the supposed “spoiling” is often just parents having more patience or money by the time the youngest comes along.

2. Parental Growth & Guilt

• New Found Chill:
  • All agree that “spoiling” isn’t about loving the younger kid more, but about having more to give.

    "The loving you more is... that's complicated. But if your mama don't love you the most, hey, that's your problem.” (17:28, Langston)

• Evolving Standards:
  • Takara shares the anecdote of buying her youngest a MacBook (while her oldest two had basic laptops or none at all), sparking sibling jealousy but reflecting both changing times and increasing household stability.

    "There's like… my kids… Well, two older… My daughter, she's 11, she's in sixth grade, and school year started. She needed a laptop, so I bought her a Lenovo... and I just went and was like...MacBook." (18:26–19:19, Takara)

3. Changing Family Dynamics and Sibling Resentment

• Privileges:
  • Later children get to pick dinner, negotiate bedtimes, and participate in decisions that would have been unimaginable for the oldest.

    "My two oldest kids now is I asked my youngest one what she wants to eat for dinner." (29:34, Takara)

  • The hosts reflect on how shifting priorities—from survival to support—shape the family experience for each child.

4. Parenting Real Talk

• It’s Not “Spoiling”—It’s Survival:
  • They discuss how parents simply become less anxious, and more flexible with each child:

    “45% of me and my son's relationship is knocking rocks out of his hands and telling him to stop eating it.” (27:35, Langston)

• Lessons for Older Siblings:
  • Takara notes that older siblings’ feedback (“you weren’t around enough!”) actually prompts parents to do better with the youngest, contributing to the “spoiling” dynamic.

    "You're teaching them how to love your younger sibling.” (22:10, Takara)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Langston on Parental Chill:

  “My shoulders just ain't as hunched up as they were with the first.” (16:34)

• David on Perspective:

  “As long as you're maxing out your abilities, right? Like, I look at my siblings, and we're way far apart.” (23:39)

• Takara on Shifting Resources:

  “How dare you buy him the real cereal in the boxes and I got the bag cereal.” (18:58)

• On Not Everyone Getting the Same:

  “If you come to me right now and say, Takara, I need 100 bucks, and I say...Here’s $80... It's my best. It's not enough.” (24:26)

• On Kids' Emotional Realities:

  “Even though to us, it’s not important, it is very important to them.” (53:20, Takara)

• David on Retroactive Judgement:

  “That's my problem with people going back and deeming things problematic...” (76:11)

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Social Media & Content Culture

Bigger tangent, but threaded throughout the podcast.

5. Internet Critique & 'Content Everything'

• Cultural Pressures:
  • The crew critique social media’s incentive structures and the emotional exhaustion of playing the “content” game.

    “To add more content is to play a game that I consider to be nasty.” (41:29, Langston)

• Viral Video Pitfalls:
  • Takara describes the spiral from wholesome content to outlandish actions for attention and money—e.g., TikTokers transitioning from garden videos to OnlyFans due to dwindling popularity and income.

    "She started off very wholesome, very cute, and then she got a hit and it made millions of views... and then before you knew it, she was on Onlyfans, dog." (46:23)

• Consent & Parenting Online:
  • Takara is careful to get her kids’ permission before sharing personal stories on stage, noting the emotional stakes of publicizing kids' lives online.

    "I talk about my kids a lot on stage, but I ask their permission, and they're adults, and I still ask." (53:42)

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Cultural Time, Memory, and Accountability

6. Listener Voicemail: Timeline Distortion & Historical Amnesia

(71:00)

• A listener posits that white Americans’ way of referring to the recent past (“2015 was so long ago...”) is an attempt to distance society from uncomfortable recent history, specifically around slavery and civil rights.

  “I think the reason that they talk about timeline in such distant manner is because they're trying to get us comfortable with slavery again.” (71:00, Voicemail Caller)

• The hosts riff on how white Americans minimize the closeness of historical injustices, and how social and psychological realities linger far longer than “numbers” on a calendar.

  “The last living slaves died in our generation.” (74:40, Langston)

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Social Evolution & Retroactive Judgment

7. On Cultural Change & Revisiting the Past

• The crew touch on how current generations retroactively judge older shows and behavior (“Martin’s jokes about Pam”) through the lens of today’s values, often missing the context and comedic intent.

  "To think that you would have been different at that time is a lie." (76:24, Langston)

• Takara shares how playful sibling colorism in her own family is not the same as how online activists understand the term today.

  "Now, in the climate now, people are offended. They're going back to our classic shows... and saying that it was offensive." (79:05, Takara)

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Funniest Tangents

• Uber & Luxury Upcharges:
  • The gang commiserates over “priority pickup,” “Uber Comfort”—and whether these are real or marketing tricks (05:01–10:00).
• Weird Social Media Food Trends:
  • Mukbangs and food challenge culture as a sign of online absurdity (64:39).

    “Why are you eating 19 McChicken sandwiches?” (65:03, Takara)

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Selected Timestamps

• Spoiling the Youngest – Main Theory Introduction: 12:41
• Takara on Parenting Growth: 13:41
• MacBook vs. Lenovo, Kids’ Tech Envy: 18:26
• Older Siblings “Teaching” Better Parenting: 22:10
• Laugh-out-Loud Uber/Plane Upgrades Segment: 05:04–09:20
• Voicemail: Timeline Distortion & Historical Amnesia: 71:00
• Cultural Judgment & ‘Martin’ Show Retro Critique: 76:11
• Food Challenges/Mukbang Commentary: 64:39–68:37
• Social Media Responsibility Tangent: 35:18–47:11

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Episode Tone

The episode maintains a blend of warmth, relatability, and rowdy humor. The hosts and Takara riff with quick wit, but also dip into genuinely thoughtful commentary on parenting, intergenerational progress, and society’s struggles with accountability both in the home and on the internet.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

Even if you’ve never listened to My Momma Told Me, this episode gives you a vivid, silly, and sometimes moving window into how Black family legends form and stick around. It interrogates whether the “spoiled youngest child” is a myth—or a matter of shifting circumstances. The episode stays true to stand-up comedy’s roots, where pain and absurdity intermingle, and always asks: how much of what our mommas told us was ever really true?

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For more:

• Follow Takara Williams (@takara williams / takara.com), watch David Gborie’s “Birth of a Nation” special, and catch Langston Kerman’s “Bad Poetry” on Netflix.
• Submit your own family conspiracy theory; the gang might roast it—lovingly—next.

Transcript

[Takara Williams]

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[David Bore]

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[Takara Williams]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Takara Williams]

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[Takara Williams]

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[Takara Williams]

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[Langston Kerman]

Sometimes people would say like I swear on my mama's grave or whatever and you're like, come on man, don't do that.

[David Bore]

I a I don't. I don't do that because I wouldn't do that and I don't do that because when you do that, it's like we're talking about $40 you owe me.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know what I'm saying? Like, it never feels like. It never feels like the stakes are high enough for you to be. You know what I'm saying? It should be like, no, I didn't shoot that person. Not like, no, I didn't take that.

[Langston Kerman]

And now I have to kill your mama.

[David Bore]

I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

No, that's the rule.

[Takara Williams]

I don't know if it's. If it. I don't know if that's.

[Langston Kerman]

You swore, But.

[David Bore]

You don't have to kill the but on the grave.

[Takara Williams]

Not on you. We didn't swear to put her in the grave.

[Langston Kerman]

These are blood rules.

[Advertisement Voice]

Oh, wow.

[Langston Kerman]

No. Put the blood in, blood out.

[David Bore]

What about when people say, I swear on my dead mom's soul? Cause I've heard that too.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, her soul.

[David Bore]

You never heard somebody say that.

[Takara Williams]

I have. I blocked out the fact that I even heard it before. And you just brought it back.

[David Bore]

It's always somebody's lying.

[Takara Williams]

I can't even say that. I've never said it. So I may be in there in that pool. Oh, my dead mama's soul. God damn. You did it. You definitely did it. You did it. You're guilty.

[David Bore]

You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

I gotta jump her soul in the afterlife because of what you did.

[David Bore]

Wow. You're fighting after you die.

[Langston Kerman]

You obligated me to.

[David Bore]

No, you gotta put that burden you don't have. We have to fight as ghosts.

[Takara Williams]

Imagine a mom just sitting somewhere and her spirit is sitting somewhere, and you walking up like, hey, Michael told me back down there it's on, so.

[David Bore]

And you know Michael's a liar. That's your boy.

[Langston Kerman]

Ms. Jackson, I'm sorry to do this.

[Takara Williams]

But I'm like, nothing. God damn. Michael. God.

[David Bore]

Go get him.

[Takara Williams]

I'm sick and tired of it. Go bring him up here.

[Langston Kerman]

You seem like a nice lady, and I like your style, but I gotta punch you in the head.

[Takara Williams]

I have to. It's only once.

[David Bore]

Yeah, just to make a point.

[Takara Williams]

The government growing babies. Microchips in your anus.

[David Bore]

All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money. Marshy's invented turkey stuffing. Y' all can't tell me nothing.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, hot damn. This is my jam. Keep me partying until the am. There it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, lil mamas and gentiles alike, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast, where.

[David Bore]

We dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories.

[Langston Kerman]

And you know what? We work to prove not a goddamn thing.

[David Bore]

Nothing.

[Langston Kerman]

We not helping nobody with this.

[David Bore]

Never.

[Langston Kerman]

Never once, never will. Shut the fuck up.

[David Bore]

And that's a promise.

[Langston Kerman]

That's a promise.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I swear to God. I take it back. I didn't like that.

[Langston Kerman]

I like that you didn't like him.

[David Bore]

Showing off for tv.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. You know what I've been quite concerned about lately that I'd like to kick off this conversation. We'll introduce you to car. Don't worry. Don't worry at all. We will get you introed, I swear to God. Okay, but I'm really. I don't believe that priority pickup is a thing. Boom.

[David Bore]

Oh, brother. I think it's an extra fee, too. It doesn't make any sense.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's completely made up, man.

[David Bore]

I'm with that.

[Langston Kerman]

They are not holding off some driver that's special for their favorite boys and girls.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They are sending you what they got when they got it. And they're up charging you for wanting to be an emperor or a prince amongst men and women.

[David Bore]

That is true. Because I feel no richer any place in my life than in a Uber. Especially when they're like, you could get a black for $1.50 more.

[Takara Williams]

I wish it was $1.50 more. I don't know. I think priority is real. You believe in it?

[David Bore]

Have you ever been kicked out of an Uber, like, of line, though?

[Langston Kerman]

Answer both of those questions.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Wait, wait.

[David Bore]

You said that, like, there's a possibility.

[Takara Williams]

You know, I've done some things who. I do think priority is where I think they push you up the queue. I think when people ask for Ubers, there's a queue, and I think you get bumped to the top of it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. Cause I've been, you know, traveling, and I'm waiting for an Uber, and it's like 15 minutes, and then I'll do priority, and the Uber will be there in three. So I think it's.

[Langston Kerman]

You believe. So I was.

[David Bore]

I believe. But had you not been priority, who would that three minutes have gone to? You know what I'm saying?

[Takara Williams]

I think they booted somebody out.

[David Bore]

That's what they. They want us to feel like we're better than people. I. I'm kind of. As I'm talking about.

[Takara Williams]

I want to feel like that. Like, I said what they want. I chose it.

[David Bore]

Listen, I take the upgrade. I'm just.

[Takara Williams]

Prayer. That's how I tap it. I'm like, do you want to. Yeah, a little bit of prayer.

[Langston Kerman]

But, see, I think that's all A mind game. Even when you look at the app, right. And it says three minutes, how many times does it actually come in the three minutes? It said it was going to come for me. In my experience, it says three minutes, but I'm seeing you in six. You know, it ain't really what it's saying it is.

[Takara Williams]

I wanna. I wanna agree with that, but I'm always late anyway, so, you know, it might be there in three. I'm coming down in seven. You know what I'm saying? Like, they give you the extra 10 minute break period. Yeah. I'm not even paying attention to the fact that you've been there for nine minutes. You might've just got there.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know.

[Takara Williams]

I just got here. So drivers pull up to your house.

[Langston Kerman]

They get comfortable, sit back, relax.

[Takara Williams]

I'm on my way. I'm just getting out the shower.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, make a Spanish phone call.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Y.

[David Bore]

Catch up on that Netflix show.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And hey, keep playing it while you drive me.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I won't say anything. I'm a coward.

[David Bore]

I want to know what happened to Charlie Sheen too.

[Takara Williams]

That's hilarious. Oh, man.

[Langston Kerman]

So you are a faithful believer in priority pickup.

[Takara Williams]

I do believe in priority pickup.

[David Bore]

Well, I'm with you. I don't trust Uber for nothing.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I just don't think. I don't believe in any of the luxuries that these companies are pretending to offer us. I think it's all made. I even think, like, comfort plus ain't really a plus.

[Takara Williams]

I think it is.

[Langston Kerman]

I think.

[David Bore]

Do you think you get better car? The only times I get I think.

[Takara Williams]

About Uber, just comfort plus in general.

[David Bore]

Oh, on a plane it's real. Oh, on a plane it's real.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's real in that there is technically more leg room, but I don't think that it's with any plans to make us truly comfortable. I think that's the illusion is that you just go, well, I'm the best prisoner in this side of the prison.

[David Bore]

So you gotta get outta that prison mindset.

[Takara Williams]

First of all, why are we in prison?

[Langston Kerman]

What y' all call that?

[Takara Williams]

Why can't we be at a movie theater? I got the best seat in the house. I'm in prison. God damn. Well, you all right?

[Langston Kerman]

It's very miserable to me.

[Takara Williams]

Jesus Christ.

[David Bore]

I call it a modern technological marvel.

[Langston Kerman]

All right?

[Takara Williams]

But in Ubers, I would say I don't believe. I believe that there's an Uber comfort, but I don't believe that they. I ordered an Uber Comfort once, and it was A gla. A Mercedes gla. That's a small car. Yeah.

[David Bore]

That's uncomfortable.

[Takara Williams]

I had one and I took it back to the dealership, and I was like, I don't want this. And the guy was like, why? I sat in the back. Absolutely not. There's prison. It's prison back there.

[Langston Kerman]

That's how I feel on the plane.

[Takara Williams]

But they charged me. Comfort. They said, this is comfort. I said, this is not comfort.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Takara Williams]

I'm sitting on an airplane and I'm.

[Langston Kerman]

Saying that Comfort plus is the Mercedes GLA that you're describing.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, that's trash. A Comfort plus to me is an Expedition. It's a Cadillac. It's a Denali. It's something that gives you. It offers you an extensive amount of space. Not just here. Here.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

I'm not gonna put my feet on your seat in the Uber. You don't even want me to do that.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I wanna do something weird with my shoes. Give me some room to really, like, figure this out.

[David Bore]

Do you take your shoes off in Uber?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know. If the opportunity presents itself, maybe I could.

[Takara Williams]

I have.

[David Bore]

Really?

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. That's like. I'm doing a show in Toledo, Ohio, and have to fly to Detroit. And from Toledo to Detroit, it's like an hour.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. They send me a car, I take my shoes off.

[David Bore]

I think people are far more okay with women doing that than men.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

That's fair.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

It also smells like roses when I take my shoes off.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Bore]

Yeah, same.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, it's a conspiracy theory podcast. You feel free to spin your own. You know what I mean? I'm spinning.

[Takara Williams]

Take this ride with me. I'm spinning.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, I'm 38.

[Takara Williams]

I know you lying, but some of.

[Langston Kerman]

Our younger listeners might believe you, and that's cool.

[Takara Williams]

What am I lying about again?

[Langston Kerman]

Your sweet, rosy feet. When them shoes come on.

[Takara Williams]

No, we spray. I mean, I can't speak for everybody else, but I put, like, these little pouches in my shoes in my closet, and it just makes the whole closet smell good. But I put them in there, and then when you take them out, you just slap my foot in it.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Takara Williams]

Okay. I think they treat my shoes like I'm at the bowling alley.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, you know, I bet they smell like foot roses. And I don't make a foot rose. I think it's the same as.

[Takara Williams]

As a regular rose.

[David Bore]

A rose by any other name.

[Takara Williams]

I could do a foot rose.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

I like a foot rose.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Takara Williams]

Ye.

[Langston Kerman]

As long as we're in agreement on.

[Takara Williams]

That little Dandelion foot. You know what I'm saying? Little flower foot. I like flower feet. I like that.

[Langston Kerman]

Our guest today. We're gonna intro you now.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, here. Now I'm in the gays. I've been here for four hours. I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

Get comfortable. Our guest today, she's a phenomenal comedian. We're so happy that she came here. One of the funniest people on the planet. You know her from hbo. You know her from Comedy Central. You know her from the goddamn chocolate sundaes at Laugh Factory. You know her from so many Cool things. Touring, I assume. Right now. On the road, right?

[Takara Williams]

On the road, right now.

[Langston Kerman]

Go, go buy tickets. See her live. Takara Williams. Every day. I'm gonna pray for you.

[Takara Williams]

Don't you pray for me?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

I do my own theme music. You don't know what they all do.

[David Bore]

No, it could be a problem sometimes.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, it could be. Okay, how close? How good is these cameras? Because I don't have.

[Langston Kerman]

That's yours.

[David Bore]

High quality. High quality.

[Langston Kerman]

Pretty high quality.

[Takara Williams]

Y' all see everything?

[David Bore]

The best Will Ferrell has to offer.

[Takara Williams]

All right. Well, I mean, you'll go see the mustache. See it? You know what I'm saying?

[David Bore]

We actually stole them mustache.

[Takara Williams]

I was gonna put makeup on and cover it up. And then Tuesday. Hey, I'm not wearing makeup all day.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, it's gonna look gorgeous on those cameras. Takara, you came to us with a conspiracy theory. Hot off the press.

[David Bore]

Yeah. This is new.

[Langston Kerman]

You said this is on my heart.

[Takara Williams]

It's on my heart.

[Langston Kerman]

I wanna testify this afternoon. I came to give a testimony. I did. You said, my mama told me the.

[Takara Williams]

Youngest child is always spoiled.

[Advertisement Voice]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Tell us everything.

[Takara Williams]

You know, my mama didn't tell me that. My two older kids told me that.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Takara Williams]

That the youngest child is spoiled. And I think it's true.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

And I think it's true because I think that parents, we grow and as we grow. And I also think it depends on the age difference too. My youngest is 10 years younger than my second oldest. So there's a huge gap there. So it's not even that she's spoiled. She's an only child at this point because my two oldest don't live there anymore.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Takara Williams]

So now it's just attention to her.

[Langston Kerman]

She's having an experience none of them have.

[Takara Williams]

She's having a time.

[David Bore]

And I know, at least for my parents, it's like, you're probably doing better with that much younger kid. Like, there's not as many Bill problems. Yeah, that kid's not starting as many fires or whatever weird stuff he does when you're not home, right?

[Takara Williams]

But I also think that you're just in a different space in your life. Like, you know, I'm only 41, right? And when I had my son, I was 16. I was a kid, and I know people always ask me, oh, my God, how'd you have a kid at 16? Let me tell you what happened. So everybody around me was having sex, right? Everybody around me was having sex, and I wasn't. And I wanted to try it, so I tried it, and I won. So now. So now I have these kids.

[Langston Kerman]

I came back to school like, y' all ain't gonna believe this.

[Takara Williams]

Look at me.

[David Bore]

One and O, baby.

[Langston Kerman]

I might be the greatest Hooper of all time.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, y. I'm LeBron James, ass.

[Langston Kerman]

Shit.

[David Bore]

One shot, one kill.

[Takara Williams]

So I always try to explain to my kids, that's not necessarily for everybody, but there are a lot of women out there and men out there who have children young. And then as we get older, we just be. You know, my son will be like, well, when I was your age, when I was, you know, her age, I could have never did that. And I was like, I would have knocked the shit out of you. I didn't have the patience that I have now. I didn't have the understanding that I have now. I'm not as financially stable. I wasn't then. You know where I am now. It's just. I've grown.

[David Bore]

Yeah, definitely.

[Takara Williams]

And you always have to explain that, because they're just. You know, even my son has a kid. I'm a grandma, right?

[David Bore]

My grandson your grandma.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, my grandson will be. Grandma's a car. Can I jump on the couch? I'm like, yeah. My son is like, you just gonna let him jump on the couch? That's your kid. You go to emergency room if he hurt himself. I'm not. Yeah, that's your kid. But why didn't you let me do that? Cause I'm just different now. I'm more lax. I'm more. I'm not yelling at. If Jonathan had two apples and he ate one. I'm not. I'm just not there. I'm patient, you know, I'm not outside. I'm not in the streets. My knee hurt. I just be chilling. But my two older kids make sure that I know that my youngest daughter is. You know, they're like, you love her better. I'm like, I don't love her better. I just love her different, I think, but different.

[David Bore]

And Better?

[Takara Williams]

I don't think it's better.

[Langston Kerman]

I think so much. I have two kids, but they're three. Three in one.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, God damn it.

[Langston Kerman]

Little people.

[Takara Williams]

Boy, Girl.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, a girl and then a boy.

[Takara Williams]

The girl is the oldest. Oh, she running.

[David Bore]

Shit.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. She's quite a loquacious young lady.

[Takara Williams]

She running.

[David Bore]

That was a nice way to do it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. She talks a lot.

[Advertisement Voice]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

And she only four.

[Langston Kerman]

And we listen. She'll be four. Yeah. Very soon.

[Takara Williams]

Good luck.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, I. Hey, be a lady.

[Takara Williams]

Good luck.

[Langston Kerman]

We all praying for each other. You know what I mean?

[Takara Williams]

God.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what commitment to me.

[Takara Williams]

I want you to come back to this conversation in two years and be like, takara told us this was gonna happen.

[Langston Kerman]

Ye. They.

[Takara Williams]

The girls is wild.

[Langston Kerman]

But I think to your point, the feeling of fear, the active fear that I had with my daughter, I don't have to have as actively with the second kid. And then that just makes me.

[Takara Williams]

You did it already.

[Langston Kerman]

A looser person.

[David Bore]

Okay. You're a lot more relaxed.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, my shoulders just ain't as hunched up as they were with the first.

[Takara Williams]

Because there's a level of experience that you have then. Now it's like, your lady will be like, oh, she's. You know, he's crying and he's fine. Yeah, he fell. She'd probably be like, get up.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I know you hurt.

[Takara Williams]

But with that first one, I'm like, she's so rubber head. I'm gonna get her some ice.

[Langston Kerman]

We're checking hospitals nearby. We're worried about things that we now know are not. And therefore, I.

[David Bore]

And I guess my issue with the youngest being lovedmore is why didn't you keep that same energy? I'm talking to y', all, but I'm really talking to my own mother.

[Takara Williams]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[David Bore]

You were like, oh, I'm so worried about. And then after a while, it's like, ah, I don't know, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Now, see, here's where I'll challenge you is. I don't actually think that spoiling them is a reflection of loving them more.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

I think that spoiling them is just more a reflection of what I wish I could have given all of y'.

[Takara Williams]

All.

[Langston Kerman]

But the loving you more is. That's complicated. But if your mama don't love you the most, hey, that's your problem.

[Takara Williams]

But what's spoiling a child? Yeah, like, what is that?

[David Bore]

Like, that's true, I think. Because sometimes when I'm trying to think about this objectively, I think the things that I'm like, damn, my Little brother got spoiled. I'm like, I think it's just basic needs that were able to be met. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Thank you.

[David Bore]

I think it's just like.

[Takara Williams]

And that's what it is.

[David Bore]

Because my mom was like a teenager. I think it's just like.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

He just didn't have it like that.

[Takara Williams]

That's such a good. Sometimes I'm like, that was so good.

[David Bore]

Why are there all these shoes in the house? How many shoes these little boys have? Everybody got shoes.

[Takara Williams]

Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

He gets.

[David Bore]

Got three pairs of shoes.

[Langston Kerman]

He got six shirts.

[David Bore]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Four shirts.

[Takara Williams]

So he's just gonna have two boxes of cereal on top of the fridge.

[David Bore]

Yeah, we got three meats in the fridge now. Three meats at one time.

[Takara Williams]

And we need to eat them. How dare you buy him the real cereal in the boxes. And I got the bag cereal.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

That's literally how it is with a lot of kids and them feeling like just a lot of people who feel like the youngest got the best. And it's literally just the basic needs being met. Because oftentimes the parents aren't in that struggle, anxious mode anymore. Financially stable, and it'll like. There's like my kids. Well, two older. So my daughter, she's 11, she's in sixth grade, and school year started. She needed a laptop, so I bought her a Lenovo, which I was fighting for my life because I never had a Lenovo. I'm an Apple household Lenovo Chromebook.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I'm familiar.

[Takara Williams]

And I found out that you can't log into it unless you have wifi. It won't even cut on the one that I got her. Like, it won't even let you open up. So I took it back to the store and I just went and was like. They were talking to me about all these other ones. Cause the Lenovo was like 300 bucks. And they're talking to me about all these laptops. This one's really good. And she's in school. You should really do this one. Oh, no, no. You should. Definitely. My daughter, she has this one. Boy, it's the MacBook.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Takara Williams]

The MacBooks and stuff, you know, I know, but that's what I know.

[David Bore]

Did you get the air?

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

I was like, pro is crazy.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. I was gonna get her the problem. I was gonna get her the Pro because to me, she's gonna be in school for at least another five or six years. And the Pro would get her through all of school, probably and college.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Takara Williams]

So I was gonna get her the pro. But everybody in the store was like, she's 11.

[Langston Kerman]

See, that's the thing.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

I was like, what's the few hundred dollars more?

[David Bore]

Listen, I'm gonna be honest. I don't even need the pro. I got a pro performing well under its capability.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You get a kid a pro, you change their brain.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Takara Williams]

She doesn't even know it's a pro.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, not yet.

[Takara Williams]

The only person that knows it's a pro is me.

[Langston Kerman]

Not yet, but someday she's gonna whip that laptop out of that backpack and somebody will be like, God damn, you got a MacBook Pro.

[David Bore]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

And now, all of a sudden, she's the coolest kid in school.

[Takara Williams]

But my two.

[David Bore]

I've had the backwards happen in writers rooms. Like, what's that, an Acer? I'm like, look, we're all getting paid the same to write this award show. Hey, hey, hey.

[Langston Kerman]

It's got the app. It's got everything we need.

[Takara Williams]

But the oldest ones, they were just like, you bought her a MacBook? I'm like, yeah, a new one. I'm like, yeah, mom, she's 11. I'm like, but she's in school. But when I was in school, they gave us laptops. I'm like, they don't give her a laptop in the school. She needs a laptop.

[Langston Kerman]

That's also. It sounds like.

[Takara Williams]

But a MacBook laptop, it sounds like.

[Langston Kerman]

Your kids also need to recognize that times have changed. Technology, our relationship with it has evolved in a way where the Lenovo is rude to hand to somebody.

[Takara Williams]

Frankly, I don't think it's rude if you're in the Chromebook family that worked for you. I have no idea what I'm doing.

[David Bore]

And say what you really mean. If you're broke. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a family over there. Yeah, yeah.

[Takara Williams]

No, I didn't say that.

[David Bore]

Families that are on Chromebooks and Androids and crack.

[Andrea Gunning]

And crack.

[Takara Williams]

That ain't cracking, too.

[Langston Kerman]

You got a Lenovo. Your mama on crack. That's what I'm saying.

[Takara Williams]

That is not what I. Oh, my goodness. But it's not even just that. It's anything like. You took her to Disneyland or vacations and you're flying there and she's going here and she gets all that, or she gets to stay until 11. You was pushing us to bed at 9.

[David Bore]

You go to all the games. You're going to all her games.

[Takara Williams]

Yes, she is. I went to. But, you know, I was gonna lie. I said I went to all their games, but I tried To. But I was working. I was working, like, two jobs. I was trying to do standup, and now I have the flexibility to do so. But also, I wanna say this. The older children. When you have a younger sibling, I'm talking to you also understand that your conversations with your parents and you telling them the things that you felt like they could have done better in life or better with you, you're teaching them how to love your younger sibling.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you're making. You're making us stronger. You just making me big and strong to do this better. Yeah, it's your fault.

[Takara Williams]

Cause I was gonna go to work last weekend, and y' all told me I wasn't around enough. So now I took the weekend off so I can hang out with her. And look at us.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[Takara Williams]

Look at us roller skating.

[David Bore]

No, that hurt my feelings. That hurt my feelings just now.

[Langston Kerman]

Look at us roller skating. Rude. I never see my mom roller skating. I'll kill her.

[David Bore]

Yeah, she's not supposed to be that happy.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah.

[Takara Williams]

What?

[David Bore]

Not supposed to be that happy.

[Langston Kerman]

You slipping and sliding everywhere.

[Takara Williams]

Not. Are you going backwards? Damn near 60.

[David Bore]

You took up a new hobby physically. No, no, no.

[Langston Kerman]

If I hear you yell out, this my jam, I o.

[Takara Williams]

Both hands up. This my jam.

[David Bore]

If I got to see you on an Instagram reel with hashtag St. Louis style.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, that's hilarious.

[David Bore]

I get a lot of skating content. I get a lot of skate rollers getting this.

[Takara Williams]

But I think it's important that they know that, because, you know, your kids are still young, and they'll get to that age where they're like, when I was little, you didn't do this. And then you're like, oh, let me make sure that I do that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Advertisement Voice]

Over here.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't want to be that person.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

That didn't do it for people.

[Takara Williams]

But I didn't know I didn't do it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Yeah. You know, and you did what you could, right? You're always. Here's my question.

[Takara Williams]

Who give it to me.

[David Bore]

Cause this is like. I don't feel like this is a problem, despite how you may feel personally. But it's like, as long as you're maxing out your abilities, right? Like, I look at my siblings, and we're way far apart. Right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And I'm like, the younger. She was still doing everything she could at the time. It was just not enough. It's the effort thing. Okay. My mom was trying as hard as she could, so that's like. That's all you could get.

[Langston Kerman]

She was. She was giving her all. But it was them last years of Kobe.

[David Bore]

And no, I was not wearing Kobe's. Is that what you mean?

[Takara Williams]

No, no, no.

[Langston Kerman]

I just mean the team wasn't built to be successful. But that doesn't mean has quit playing.

[David Bore]

No, the player always was working hard.

[Langston Kerman]

She was always working hard. And that is the measure of a mom, I would say, and a dad.

[Takara Williams]

And a dad. That's.

[Langston Kerman]

How hard are you working for this?

[Takara Williams]

But you know what? I think the reality for that, for me is, you know, just there's times in life where you give your all and it's just not enough. And you have to be okay with that. If you come to me right now and say, Takara, I need 100 bucks, and I say, oh, my God, I love that.

[Langston Kerman]

And we will be asking you for money.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, I bought some change. And you say, Takara, damn, 100 has changed. And you say, Takara, I need 100 bucks. And I say, well, give me two seconds. I'm gonna see what I can scratch. Here's 50. I'll be right back. And I come back with 30 more dollars. And I give you 30 more dollars. And you're like, okay, this is $80. And I'm like, listen, I done scraped. I done talked to everybody. This is all I could get. All I have is this $80. It's not all. It's my best. It's not enough.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's.

[Takara Williams]

It covers what it can cover. But there's still $20 missing is still not enough.

[Langston Kerman]

Now, who is that onus on for you, though? That not enough? Is that something that I should be. I should be empathetic to you for not giving me 100%? Or should I be frustrated with you? Should I be combative about what you're doing because you did not give me the whole. That I need?

[Takara Williams]

I think it depends on who you are, just your character. I think you should be understanding. There's a level of understanding that people have to get to. And this is not just. This is not specifically toward my kids. I love my kids, they crazy. But this is just in general. I've noticed that sometimes I put stuff up on social media and I get things. This kickback in my DMs, and it's just a level of understanding. But this life happens. And oftentimes you're not gonna understand until you experience life. Yeah, that's like when people are like, if I was a dad, I would never do that. Yes, the fuck you would. Yes, you would. You absolutely would do that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

And then I have My friends have kids. You know, some of my friends have kids, and they're in their 40s. They're just now having children, and they call me. And they had like, I'm gonna have nine kids, and then they have one, and I'm like, how is it I'm not having no more fucking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fighting for my fucking life in this house.

[Langston Kerman]

I really thought I was gonna be a fun dad all the time. I thought I was just gonna be cracking jokes every moment of the day. And kids. That's not how kids play.

[Takara Williams]

Why would you. Get down. Why would you do that?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Why would you hit him?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you just end up.

[Takara Williams]

Who are you talking to?

[Langston Kerman]

You end up asking questions to a person, hoping to reason with them in a way that can't allow you to then, like, be.

[Takara Williams]

And half the time, you know, at. They don't even speak English yet.

[David Bore]

Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Not good.

[Takara Williams]

And you think that you're getting through with him by talking slower and like. And a little. Do you. Are you. Can you talk to me?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Who are. What?

[Langston Kerman]

It's not. You can't.

[Takara Williams]

You don't have kids yet?

[David Bore]

No, Don't. No. Some of my biggest arguments happen with people who don't speak English, though. Yeah. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Remember, those are. Those people are at least reasonable in a different language, though. These people, these little. Some people have not even reasoned in any language.

[Advertisement Voice]

Much less than that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Why are you eating a tub of butter? Like, why are you in the fridge just eating butter, just leaning on the cat, leaning on the shelf, just chilling, eating. Random. Like kids are. You spend your life trying to keep them alive. Like, that's literally what you're doing. I just want to keep you alive.

[Langston Kerman]

45% of me and my son's relationship is knocking rocks out of his hand hands and telling him to stop eating it. That's all it is. That's how I engage with kid number three.

[Takara Williams]

You let him eat it. Kid number three. He'll be fine. Just give him a laxative. It'll come right out. He'll be fine.

[Langston Kerman]

The thing about rocks is they built to move through your system.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. And let's just take them around the ones that are round. Let's find the pebble place, so that way they'll come out a little easier.

[David Bore]

Soft rock playground.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, Soft rock.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

A little sand, he'll be fine.

[Langston Kerman]

No, we can't come to the birthday party. My son needs a soft rock. Unfortunately, he's allergic to hard rocks.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, but that's been, like, the Conspiracy theory that I have, I've always heard that the youngest one is the spoiled one. And then now I'm in it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

And I'm seeing it. I'm like, oh, they are.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Yeah. It's. I mean, I don't think there's.

[Takara Williams]

They are.

[David Bore]

How could it not be that? How could that not be the case?

[Takara Williams]

Can we go get ice cream? I'm like, right now? 8:00pm yeah, let's go.

[David Bore]

What?

[Langston Kerman]

I want it.

[David Bore]

Wait.

[Langston Kerman]

Sure.

[Takara Williams]

Did you take your bath already? I did. I'm in my pajamas. They got a drive through in Burbank. Let's go. We going to get ice cream.

[Langston Kerman]

I would never do that. But my kids are so young. Maybe that's the problem.

[Takara Williams]

It's a good time.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, man.

[Takara Williams]

And I'm sitting here, I'm really thinking about what you said because I feel like I've done that with my two oldest ones just at a different capacity.

[David Bore]

Right.

[Takara Williams]

Like y' all didn't want, you know, Baskin Robbins, but y' all definitely wanted. Can we go to get McDonald's cookies right now? It's 8:00 o' clock in the morning. Everybody hop in the car, let's go. You know, let's go to a drive through and get some. Let's go to yogurt land. That was our J. So I feel like I did that to an extent.

[Langston Kerman]

Sure.

[David Bore]

I also definitely got some benefits that my brothers would not have been extended. You know what I'm saying?

[Takara Williams]

You know what they say that sometimes.

[David Bore]

I got to party with the adults. Like hang out, hang out in the party. My mom was. She would never let them be out in the party, you know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

I spent a lot of time watching movies at a place I wasn't supposed.

[Takara Williams]

To be at because your parent wanted to see it. And you was just with them. You were just going to see. We want to see Dracula. I know. You get up and get it together and let's go. My kids thing, my two oldest kids now is I asked my youngest one what she wants to eat for dinner.

[David Bore]

That never happened.

[Langston Kerman]

That is crazy.

[David Bore]

That never happened.

[Langston Kerman]

You're really treating her like a person. And that's rude. You know what I mean? Cause you didn't treat them like people. Clearly.

[Takara Williams]

Because they said, when you made dinner, we just had to eat what you made or we starved. But then I also wasted a lot of food, too. Because kids nowadays, especially the generation that my two oldest was, they're stubborn.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Back in the day, we would eat whatever. You know, my kids, they'll just go to bed. I'm not hungry. I don't want to eat spaghetti. Well, I'm not making anything else. Well, I'm going to bed. Good night.

[David Bore]

They would.

[Takara Williams]

They would go to bed.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, my daughter does.

[Takara Williams]

You'll hear them in the middle of the night.

[David Bore]

That's hard.

[Takara Williams]

Scavenging through the cabin.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the problem is she'll do that. She'll be like, nah.

[David Bore]

And then I don't want it.

[Langston Kerman]

And then we'll do bath, we'll go to bed. And then at like three in the morning, she'll, like, wake up crying, say she's really hungry.

[David Bore]

But then you give her what you made for dinner.

[Langston Kerman]

No. Then you find yourself wanting to yell at a baby in the dark. Do you know what I mean? When you're just sitting.

[Takara Williams]

Now you just sitting up watching her eat apple slices.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

You gotta go to work in the morning. Hurry up. She wanna talk to you and have a full conversation while she eat these apple slices.

[Langston Kerman]

Cause she's not tired no more. She's eating apple slices. Yeah.

[David Bore]

Yeah, she's awake now.

[Langston Kerman]

She's fully awake. The adrenaline's moving. All the sugar she didn't have in her body and stuff.

[Takara Williams]

She's. She knows that you're tired and she's. She doesn't care.

[Langston Kerman]

It doesn't matter. Yeah, she knows that's not how you dress.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Not when you're, like, awake and shit.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, she smells your breath. She ain't brushing teeth yet. Yeah, she eating apples.

[Langston Kerman]

You got crusty.

[David Bore]

You know what she's thinking to herself?

[Takara Williams]

You know what she's thinking to herself? I won.

[Langston Kerman]

I won.

[Takara Williams]

I won. I still got something different to eat.

[Langston Kerman]

Look at this loser.

[David Bore]

Damn loser. He got his college T shirt on.

[Langston Kerman]

All right, we. We need to take a break. We're gonna come back with more Takara Williams. More My mama told me.

[David Bore]

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[Langston Kerman]

I think about it all the time of like how small of a percentage Twitter actually Is of the population. Like, I think at its height, only 10% of the population was ever on Twitter. And it was at a point so powerful to your point, in terms of like, a negative opinion of you could derail your entire career.

[Takara Williams]

And that's insane. That these people have too much power.

[Langston Kerman]

A percentage of a percentage of a percentage of people.

[David Bore]

Stupid people.

[Takara Williams]

And they'll be excited about it. Like, oh, she lost a show. Yes. We got her off a network. Yes. And it's like, go wash your walls.

[David Bore]

Yeah. That's why whenever I come clean your.

[Takara Williams]

House, why are you worried about me? And you hate your job and your bank account is a negative zero. And you. And you're sitting somewhere tweeting how much you. So it's just.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You live in soot. Don't do this. Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Don't figure that out.

[Langston Kerman]

You're alone.

[David Bore]

You're alone, nigga. Always.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

In every sense of the word. Because you're at work talking to me.

[Advertisement Voice]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

You couldn't possibly have someone more important to text.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Or just something to do. So I just think it's so much. People always tell me, no social media is there for us to do this. And it's like, no. You guys use it. It as an advantage to harm other people just because you. Like, we are doing this podcast right now. You could say something and somebody could be like, oh, I don't like what you said. And then they'll find a bunch of people who say, I don't like what you said. And then it's like, let's get them off that. You know, off of the network. Or, let's get their podcast canceled. And they will work diligently.

[David Bore]

The problem is you shouldn't have been able to find another person who didn't like. It used to be fine. Other unreasonable people. You know what I mean? If you were a regular person and you said something maybe people didn't like. It used to be hard to find a bunch of outliers.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, yeah.

[David Bore]

But now you're at. You have a subreddit or whatever with a bunch of freaks like you, and you could just be like, yeah, just like me. You feel this way.

[Langston Kerman]

You used to have to go to.

[David Bore]

People shouldn't have friends.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You used to have to go to a gathering spot and then be brave enough to say it out loud. Like you were taking a taboo feeling and being like, I don't like that person, and hoping that people would laugh at that.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Now you can just. You Put it out there. And if motherfuckers don't fuck with it, you delete it. Yeah, there's no accountability. You don't get to like walk. Nobody's gonna like ever force you to walk it back.

[Takara Williams]

Yes, they do.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm saying for the tweeter, they're just like, no, I said what I said, I don't care. It's just out there.

[Takara Williams]

Oh yeah, yeah, I don't care. Yeah, they don't care because they also have nothing to lose. A lot of people don't have nothing to lose. You know, people ask me because I used to be so wild on social media. Oh my God, I used to be crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, so you coming from a nasty.

[Takara Williams]

I used to be so transparent on social media. I used to say what I wanted to say. I used to say things and I never considered how it would hurt somebody or how somebody would feel about it. And then the tables turned and then I was like, oh, this doesn't feel nice.

[Langston Kerman]

No good.

[Takara Williams]

This doesn't feel nice at all. And I'm really empathetic towards, like, I feel so much. I'm always in my feelings about something and I'm like, I almost started thinking about, oh my God, I remember when I said this, I remember when I did this. Because you don't, you know, you can go through something right now and sometimes it gets on social media and people will make that their content. Like, my content is your trauma. You haven't even buried the body of your loved one. And my content is that. And people don't consider what that does to the people who are connected to whatever the trauma is. And I think that that's insane that people just don't have that common knowledge of, hey, this may be harmful or hurtful to people. Like, well, I said what I said, oh my God, what happened? So there was this lady, you know what I'm saying? And then, and then everybody think they're journalists too.

[David Bore]

Uh huh. Yeah, yeah.

[Takara Williams]

With the worst type of. They don't even speak proper English.

[David Bore]

I was just yelling, I was just yelling about this in the house. Like that's why a country loses its journalism core and it starts to erode. Because you need. Journalism is not speculative. There's like a set of rules that they all need to abide by. When you open it up and you just let anybody talk about anything, it's like there's agreed upon, like, even the news shouldn't have any angle. It's just a statement of fact.

[Langston Kerman]

I think about how many of like those TikTok exposing the truth behind a thing are and how even if you pull 10% of those facts away from them, the whole shit crumbles.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, that's the level of journalism is like, maybe you did have one or two facts in there, but some of that shit was salacious and completely fabricated.

[David Bore]

Speculative.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

What blows my mind is the verb. So let me tell you what happened. So there was this lady. Her name is Maria Santiago. You know what I'm saying? This Maria right here. And she had. She had gotten hit by a car, whatever, because she was, like, in the street. Like, why you in the street? Like, it's a car. That's where cars go. So anyway, she was crossing the street or whatever, and then they hit her in the car. And they unalived her. Yeah, they unalived her. She had died or whatever. Yeah, she had died right there. You can see the blood. The blood is still on the street. So she had died. And everybody's like, oh, my God, the car's wrong. But, like, first of all, Maria Sanchez, you're wrong, because you shouldn't have been in the street. Maria Sanchez. Anyway, rest in peace to Maria Sanchez. And the lesson that we learned here today is, like, just don't be in the street or whatever. Like, if you go across, look both ways, but still look like four or five times, because cars be doing what they want to do. Anyway, I love y'. All. Y' all know I'm the girl with the facts. Make sure that you follow and subscribe. I'll talk to y' all later. All right, girl. It's your boy. It's your girl, Cece. Bye, y'.

[Patricia Arquette]

All.

[Takara Williams]

Love y'.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Meanwhile, it's been four hours.

[Langston Kerman]

It's sick.

[Takara Williams]

And Maria Sanchez family is seeing this insane video where you have no care. The life that just look like it's just be.

[Langston Kerman]

Maria Sanchez. Her daughter deserved to find out differently.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah. Grow with the facts.

[Takara Williams]

Her father deserved. Her mother deserved to find out differently.

[David Bore]

Sure.

[Takara Williams]

But that's what social media has become, because everybody wants content so bad. Everybody wants a piece of content. So I don't know how we switched to this, but I think it's important. Everybody wants content so bad.

[Langston Kerman]

I think about it a lot with this podcast and how much our responsibility is to sort of sew silly, whatever, but it's content.

[Takara Williams]

It is content.

[Langston Kerman]

And in that way, I do as a person who's constantly struggling with these feelings of, like, social media and responsibility and not wanting to be tethered to, like, people acknowledging my worth Via likes and subscriptions and shit. To add more content is to play a game that I consider to be nasty.

[David Bore]

Yo, it is, it is.

[Takara Williams]

I'm having a hard time now playing the game because, you know, my content manager called me, she said, hey, you were at a million plus followers on TikTok and now you've dropped to like 998. She's like, you lost a few followers. I'm like, I don't care. Yeah, but she's like, we need to care because this is views, this is numbers. Because you get paid off TikTok. I'm like, yeah, but I also don't care what I could have done. Nothing I could have said on social media that, that someone dying in a horrible way bothered me. And now people are mad at me because how dare you be bothered that Charlie Kirk was murdered? It's not necessarily that he was murdered. It's the fact that I saw somebody get murdered on social media. Like I'm just scrolling, trying to thinking in my head, I gotta pick my daughter up at 3:40 and God, please, if you're picking up your kid, pick up the goddamn kid. Stop getting out the car on the pickup line. He's 14. Let that motherfucker get in and then just drive like that's what's on my mind. And then I just see somebody get.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

Cause that shit is crazy.

[Takara Williams]

I don't want to see that. I didn't sign up to Instagram to see that.

[David Bore]

Somebody sent that to me. And he had sent it in between. It was like a friend from school. He had sent it in between lineman football highlights. So he, it was like, it was like 6 foot 8, 8th grade guard in Missouri. Pancake block murder.

[Takara Williams]

Top high school prospect out of California, Pancake block.

[David Bore]

And I'm like, nick, this is. What are you doing?

[Langston Kerman]

He already knew what he was. Wanted to send you, but then this came up and he was like, I'd be irresponsible to bring it up.

[David Bore]

No acknowledgement the murder.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[David Bore]

FYI, faced on the, on the football clip. You know what I'm saying?

[Takara Williams]

And then you. And then you. And then at the same time, it's like, that sticks with you.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's be clear. That was a vile motherfucker.

[David Bore]

Yeah. The rhetoric was that was not a.

[Langston Kerman]

Person with any warm intentions towards anyone that did not represent a white, white race. There's no like debate about that shit. But boy, oh boy, did it suck to see that video.

[Takara Williams]

Just to see it.

[David Bore]

I remember watching it and that's okay. You could Feel like that and still be against. I guess that's what I. My problem is the loss of humanity within it. Where it's like, you can feel like that and still be like, that shit was terrible that he was. It's bad to see somebody get killed. I don't anybody.

[Takara Williams]

And that's my whole thing. I think that was my argument for everybody was, it's just you're witnessing death. Even when I watched George Floyd, the video with him, I remember sitting there going, did he die? Did I just watch them murder this man? And it's on Instagram. I can call somebody a bitch ass motherfucker as a comment for something. They disrespected me. And I could respond, I don't have no fucks to give you piece of shit. I'm banned. Yeah, I'm banned. Y' all banned me. Cause I said fucking bitch in the same sentence. But somebody can punch post murder and they're still. You just take the video down and they're still good to go.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's insane, I think so often about the people who then watch the video of murder and then go, damn, I'm about to get a bag off of reposting videos.

[David Bore]

That's what's crazy. Yeah, that's what's crazy is how fast it circulates. Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Cause that Charlie Kircher, they're constant scavengers. That's what somebody. Yeah, that's what.

[David Bore]

Yeah, it's like low, low vibration people, right? Like, that shit's so nasty to be like, like, well, how many views can I get if I just. You know what I mean?

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. How much can I pay my electricity bill?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

With this.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like.

[Takara Williams]

And that's why, you know, there's also the conspiracy theory, as if social media, good or bad? I think it. I think it's. I think right now it's getting to the worst.

[David Bore]

I think it's net negative 100. I think definitely. It's making people lonelier. It's isolating people. Because that's like whatever community you found within this box is not.

[Langston Kerman]

Other than a few hits of endorphins, like every day, it offers me nothing.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. Do you meet these people outside of this app? Do you guys meet up somewhere? Cause I know some people who've made friends on social media and they've actually met up in real life and are actual, you know, real friends. But outside of that, social media is just. It's a drug to me. And that's why when everybody's like, you Used to be so transparent on social media. Used to tell us your life. Used to be this. What happened? I don't need it. Like, it's bad.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I try not to share my real life at all.

[Takara Williams]

Especially if you start making money off of it. When you start making money off social media, which we are.

[David Bore]

We are.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, but we are. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about y' all start making money off.

[David Bore]

She's also talking about us. Our content manager calls all the time.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, fellas, we don't know what to.

[Langston Kerman]

Do with all this money. We gotta get a Swiss bank account. Boys, this is too much. Lord have mercy.

[Takara Williams]

We're gonna continue to take it.

[Langston Kerman]

Another treasure chest just exploded.

[David Bore]

That video hit 9k views. I think it still says thousand. I think there's still a comment. I think you have to hit 10 before it says K. And I know that because of the amount of views we get.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, my God. But when people start making money off of it, it gets worse. I knew I was watching this girl on TikTok. She started off very wholesome, very cute, and then she got a hit and it made millions of views. And then she couldn't get a hit after that. And then before you knew it, she was on Onlyfans, dog. I'm like, how the hell did you get on Onlyfans? From planting in a garden.

[David Bore]

Yeah, look at. This is.

[Takara Williams]

I think because she quit her job, she got a little bit of money. She got a little bit of money. She couldn't get the job back. She got a little bit of money. I need views. I need views. I need views. I need views. I need views. She did a video, showed a little titty somebody gave her. Sent us some money for a little titty. Now she got both titties. Now you're the only one and your kids are getting kicked out of school.

[Langston Kerman]

You find out your titties worth real fast on social media, which is why.

[Takara Williams]

I'm fully clothed always. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I'm not gonna do that. But I found out. I was like, I can retire to today. A little titty action.

[Langston Kerman]

Shit, listen, it's really, really daunting what it represents. And even worse, there's no off ramp for social media.

[David Bore]

Yeah, no, it just. Unless you burn out. I think I was gonna say the perfect example of that to me is the island. Like, you just. If you track how that went, it was like two idiots who made a goofy song that was kind of funny to sing. And then they're kissing each other.

[Langston Kerman]

Now they're making out.

[David Bore]

Yeah, now they're making out.

[Takara Williams]

And then they found out they're brothers, aren't they?

[Langston Kerman]

They're twins.

[David Bore]

They're twins. I don't know if they're twins, but I know they're.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, really? Oh, I thought they were identical twins.

[David Bore]

It's not better if you kiss your identical twin? No, it's.

[Takara Williams]

It's.

[Langston Kerman]

Frankly, it's more of a bummer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause that means this is like. This blew my mind.

[Takara Williams]

Where's your parents?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, the island boys are in a bad way.

[David Bore]

Yeah. But I think that's just a ramp up of like. That's the problem with not having a discernible talent. You go viral off of something that is, like, most likely not something that you curated. A lot of times it was just something you got caught doing. And then that was like, now you're trying to build on a thing that wasn't a skill you had to begin with. And it's like, of course that's gonna lead you down a bad road because there's. They couldn't practice being the island boys. Every day just get better and better at that. It was. You know what I mean? Right?

[Langston Kerman]

They had already reached peak island boy. It was only going downhill from there.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Takara Williams]

And I hate the saying of everything is content. Everything is not content.

[David Bore]

That's turning people into robots. I really can't stand everything.

[Takara Williams]

It's not content.

[David Bore]

I really can't stand that whatever you're.

[Takara Williams]

Doing in your life, just cut your camera on people want to see it. No, I don't want to see you clean your nasty ass room. No, there's a roach crawled across the wall. Go clean your goddamn house. I don't wanna see you discipline your kids. Yes, my daughter did this, so. Because I'm a punisher, because she told. She wasn't listening, y' all watch me cut her hair off as punishment.

[David Bore]

Harming your child, That's a public flogging. That's like a medieval thing.

[Takara Williams]

And they don't think I was watching this video two weeks ago. I think my daughter sent it to me. It's a little girl. She's like 13, and her mother picked out her clothes. And she's like, mom, I don't wanna wear that. I wanna pick up my own clothes. So the mother was like, no, you're gonna wear this. Go iron your vest. And that's what you're gonna wear. And the girl was like, I don't wanna wear that. You Treat me like I'm a little girl. I wanna pick up my own clothes. She starts crying. So the mother's recording all of this, and the girl's crying, and she's like, why are you recording me? Why are you always recording? You treat me like a baby. I'm 13. I can pick up my own clothes. And the mother's just recording. And then she puts it on social media. And I'm like, this girl has a life at 13. She has friends at school. She has people who. You send her to school to be ridiculed and chastised based on what you want to be content. And of course, people are gonna watch it because they think it's entertaining.

[David Bore]

Yeah. And she's the one caveat I will say to all. This is the little boy whose grandmother read his rhyme book. That was hilarious.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Maybe some more of that.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, stuff like that.

[David Bore]

He was like. She was like, she gonna bounce on my dick.

[Langston Kerman]

I did see that, but I think that's a grandma. Recognizing that this is actually, like, really good content. This is healthy for us. That's a reasonable person being like, I know I'm not supposed to show y' all this, but this is so fun.

[Takara Williams]

Imagine him walking to school. You gonna bounce on some. That's what. That's. She gonna bounce on what? But not you crying. Oh, you was at home crying. Like, I don't think people understand the way that affects your child in the long run. And oftentimes parents, like, we forget. And you'll learn this as you parent kids are. They have lots of. And what's important to them, even though to us, it's not that important. It is very important to them. It could be something as simple as, let me tell you, my daughter, she's 11, right? She goes to school. She started this new school. Little boy wrote her a letter.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, let's go.

[Takara Williams]

And the letter says, hi, Chrisette, I like you. Do you like me? So, girl. Yes. No. Or maybe class.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go.

[Takara Williams]

Classic. And at the bottom, it says, because I love you.

[Patricia Arquette]

Damn.

[David Bore]

All right, Casanova.

[Langston Kerman]

Yo, player, player, yo.

[Takara Williams]

So she says that she gets her. And she shows me the letter, and me and my guy, she shows us the letter and we looked at each other. He said, I gotta go to that school. I said, no, we're not going to the school. They're 11. So she goes, what do I do? And I said, well, let's just sit on it for a day.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Because we want to make sure we respond right. So I said, well, do you like Him? She said, I don't even know him. I just started at the school. I said, so you don't like him? Mommy, I don't even know him. I said, what's his name? She tells me his name. I said, okay, well, what does he look like? I don't know him. I said, baby, what does he look like? All right, so he's like this height. He looks just like my nephew, has really curly hair. And he wears glasses. They're like transition glasses when we go outside. And he always wears green shirts. He has a little sister. I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

I thought you said you didn't know this motherfucker. You know a lot about me.

[Langston Kerman]

You studied this man.

[Takara Williams]

And my point to this is that we didn't answer it for two days. And she comes home and she's like, mom. And I forgot about it. And I said, what? And she goes, we have to answer the note. And I said, why? Who cares? She was like, because everybody at school's asking me if I responded to the note. And I didn't respond. So every day everybody's asking me. So I just. I just want to respond. And in that moment, I was like, I don't give a fuck about them kids at school. I didn't say it, but I'm looking at her and this is important to her, right? And I'm like, okay, so what do you want to respond? And she was like, I mean, I like him. He's a great. He's my friend, but I don't like him like that. We're just kids. We're only kids. So I said, well, why don't we create our own box and we write in the box. I like you as a friend, and we can be friends, but we're only kids. Or we're all. I think it was, she circled. She made one that said, we can just be friends for now because we're still kids. Oh, that's awesome. And she circled that box and she folded it up and she put a little purple sticker on it. That's her favorite color. Classic. And that's what she gave back to him. Okay, but my point is that it was so important to her she had to respond. Because when she went to school, everybody was asking her in the playground, and the boy hadn't talked to her since he wrote the letter.

[Langston Kerman]

Two days taking amount of time.

[David Bore]

Yeah, that's so much more. That's a bigger percentage of their life.

[Takara Williams]

Lunchtime, 40 minute lunch. And you didn't respond, bro, if you.

[Langston Kerman]

Don'T respond to my text message in, like, an hour and a half. I start, yeah, wait a minute. You're being rude.

[Takara Williams]

So we not cool.

[David Bore]

And I'm sorry for that. Yeah, and I'm sorry for that.

[Takara Williams]

You guys are so funny. But it was so important to her. And in that moment, I'm like, okay, this matters. And I think often as parents, we forget that as our kids grow, they have lives, little lives, cute little lives. But it's their life, and it's important to them. And when you post videos of your children on social media, especially when they get to a certain age and you don't consider that you are setting them up for emotional damage.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's true.

[Takara Williams]

I talk about my kids a lot on stage, but I ask their permission, and they're adults, and I still ask. Me and my daughter can have something happen right now. And I'd be like, oh, my God. And she'd be like, what? I'd be like, casey, go ahead. You can use it. And then there's some stuff. And she'd be like, no, please don't put that on stage. And I'm like, but it'd be so funny. And she'd be like, mom, I'm just not ready for that. And I say, okay, that's good, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's really nice.

[David Bore]

I've had jokes that I pulled back because I didn't get consent from the people involved.

[Langston Kerman]

Really? Yeah. I've never asked for consent once.

[David Bore]

I've never asked for it, but I have had a couple where it was like. Where I was just like, nah, that's like.

[Takara Williams]

Because also, what's the context of what you're using it? And you have to be really careful about what you're using.

[David Bore]

Sometimes it's not my story. Like, it's like I'm a participant, but it's that person's story. And then you're like, ah, that does.

[Langston Kerman]

Feel when those situations come up. I'm very precious with that. I don't like the idea of telling someone else's story. I think that. I think some of our responsibility as joke writers is to figure out a way to be empathetic enough inside of it that it never feels like I'm beating your ass.

[Takara Williams]

There we go with the joke.

[Langston Kerman]

You are a part of a necessary thing that I have to tell people. But I'm not targeting.

[Takara Williams]

Trashing you in the joke to make you feel like.

[David Bore]

Even at that my mom came at me before, and I'm like, mommy, that happened.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

[David Bore]

It's never bad. It's never like, anything crazy, but she.

[Langston Kerman]

Was like, chill, chill, chill.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause then at some point, it's like, it's our story now. It's like, both ours. Yeah. We were both here.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, but then you have. You know, when I talk about my kids, I always have to be mindful of how. I try not to dwell too much on how other people might feel. But I also want to consider how what I say about them could affect how people view. Because you could say something about your mom, and to you, it's a joke, and you're over it and you're grown, but to other people, they're like, oh, she's a terrible mom.

[David Bore]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Takara Williams]

You are terrible. So I always have to find ways to say stuff in a way where it's funny, but I also like to make it as relatable as possible.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Cause if it's relatable, then people don't feel the necessary of, you're a bad mom. It's like, oh, damn, I did that. I kind of did that, too.

[Langston Kerman]

Meet me where I'm at.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Takara Williams]

That's what I like to do.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, that's. I think that's the right approach.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And that's why I'm only talking about dead people on stage from now on.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that's very smart.

[Takara Williams]

Can you say you're only talking about dead people?

[David Bore]

Only dead people. Only dead stories.

[Takara Williams]

Stop giving people. Be careful what y' all say to people when somebody die. Y' all just be saying shit like, oh, they're always with you. I was fucking yesterday. I don't want to think that my grandfather was with me yesterday. Okay. I was doing all kinds of nasty things. I'd hate to think that him and my grandmother was just sitting in the corner just watching shit go down. Stop saying it.

[David Bore]

I'd like to think they could leave.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you think they have some agency?

[David Bore]

I would like to think that.

[Takara Williams]

Like, so she's busy.

[David Bore]

I hope my grandma's here right now.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Maybe not an hour and a half ago. Whatever I was doing. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

You think they can be like, I'll see myself out.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And go about their job?

[Takara Williams]

I would pray.

[David Bore]

Because then it. Because then it's like, no one. This is all speculative, but, like, no one in the afterlife is tethered to someone completely. Right.

[Takara Williams]

I don't. No.

[David Bore]

Like, that seems like. Because that seems like it would be more of a burden.

[Langston Kerman]

It could suck for.

[Takara Williams]

Well, not if you. If you don't know that they're there.

[David Bore]

No, no, no. I mean for them. For whatever the entity is in that. That's like. You know what I mean?

[Takara Williams]

My life be popping. They would pay. Having the time. We be having the time over here. They sit right here laughing right now. They're like, oh, social media is crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

I never been there.

[Takara Williams]

I never touched.

[Langston Kerman]

This is the first time hearing of it.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. What is it? She always in trouble on it, but I don't know what it is.

[Langston Kerman]

Is that like when you send out three birds at once?

[David Bore]

Yeah, my grandpa's like, that's where he's looking at all the ass at. Okay. I thought she was great.

[Takara Williams]

That's your grandfather. Go back to the other one. I like the other one better.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, that's the one.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn, David, you in some weird shit.

[Takara Williams]

That's when the light start flickering. Grandpa, you like this one? Yeah, that's the one I like. I want to go back to that.

[David Bore]

He reaches over my shoulder and hearts it. We gotta keep back of the algorithm.

[Takara Williams]

You run past the video again and it's a hard. You're like, I never.

[David Bore]

Wait a minute.

[Takara Williams]

Grandpa. Stop touching people. Stop touching people.

[Langston Kerman]

There were three footsteps pressing the like button. All right, we need to take one more break. More Takara Williams. More My mama told me.

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[Takara Williams]

People like that. I'm so controversial. I'm never on one person's side. I'm always. Well, the flip side of it could be this. And as controversial, as controversial as it is, and as sometimes I get a lot of pushback for it, but it's the truth. It's like a situation happens and I'm like, well, what if it's this? Like, what if it's not? Y' all so quick to jump on a bandwagon. What if, you know, what if that's not the case? We don't even know. It's not even our business. Alicia Keys is leaving Swiss Beats because Swiss Beats cheated on her, has another girl pregnant. How the fuck do you know that?

[David Bore]

You don't know that.

[Takara Williams]

And even if that's the why is it our business? That's not our business.

[David Bore]

I'm also a huge advocate for not having immediate opinions. Yeah, shit happens in my life. And I'm like, I don't know what to think about that. Honestly. That's great. Let me talk to you tomorrow. I don't know that happens to me. You know what I mean? A lot of my opinions aren't like, hard and fast.

[Langston Kerman]

No, let's think on this. Let's wake up in the morning with fresh eyes.

[David Bore]

Especially crazy shit. When crazy shit happens, I'm supposed to just spit out a completely coherent thought about it when it just happened. That was the crazy thing about the Charlie Kirk thing was like, they said.

[Takara Williams]

His family wasn't even there. Some people said he was, Some people said they weren't.

[David Bore]

Yeah, see, it's like, I don't. I don't have a feeling about that.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's. The demand of social media is constant and it is fast. And in that way, there's no freeing from your. You know what I mean?

[Takara Williams]

Like, go back and say you was wrong.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah, that would be classic.

[Takara Williams]

Put out some information and the information you put out was wrong. Don't just take it down, because a lot of times there is no takedown. Somebody else screen recorded it. Somebody else downloaded it. Somebody else has that shit that you.

[David Bore]

Said, and now they're flipping it to sound smart and different. That happened to me with Shaboozi.

[Langston Kerman]

Mmm.

[Takara Williams]

Not Shaboozy.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I see some shit. It was an AI video that they put out where Shaboozi was saying Dolly Parton was his godmother. And then I told somebody else in a conversation the whole shit wasn't true.

[Langston Kerman]

And he's not related? No, of course not to her in any means.

[David Bore]

He's Nigerian. And I don't know the scope of.

[Takara Williams]

Her reach fully, but I doubt that.

[David Bore]

I don't know if it got to Lagos.

[Langston Kerman]

Dolly seems like she was doing good work in these here United States.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

She don't seem like she branched out internationally in any way.

[David Bore]

And because of that, I want to take this time to personally apologize to Shabuzzi. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Shabuzzi.

[Langston Kerman]

That's. That's cool of you.

[David Bore]

I don't even know answer my DMs.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't know. You don't know Shaboozi?

[Takara Williams]

I don't listen to none of that.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that's.

[David Bore]

I don't think it is even maybe what you think it is. It's a good thing.

[Takara Williams]

What is it?

[David Bore]

It's like a country song, right?

[Langston Kerman]

He's a. But it's a black dude. Yeah. Big old handsome black dude.

[Takara Williams]

Wait. Wait a minute.

[David Bore]

Yeah. No, no, you look. He's strong.

[Langston Kerman]

He look good.

[Takara Williams]

Hey, Shaboo.

[Langston Kerman]

He look good out there.

[Takara Williams]

Hey, Boozy. I'mma call him Boozy.

[David Bore]

Let me like it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he might be into that.

[David Bore]

Yeah, tell him. Tell him to answer David back.

[Langston Kerman]

You start leaving messages like that comic leaving for you.

[David Bore]

Please, please. I'm so much better than your wife.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, this is. Okay. I've seen him.

[David Bore]

Y.

[Takara Williams]

He's not my type.

[Langston Kerman]

Not your type? All right, well, I tried. I tried to match him.

[Takara Williams]

I don't think I'm his type.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know.

[Takara Williams]

I'm a whole grandmother and shit. I don't know. But he's.

[David Bore]

You're a young grandma, though. That's a lot different.

[Takara Williams]

I'm happy for my life because I have to tell my son. I'm not that kind of grandma. But you can't watch him on the weekend. I'm not even home on the weekend. I'm not.

[David Bore]

That's a good grandpa. Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

I'm not watching that fucking kid. Yeah, he. Like. He was stealing. No, he's. He's. He's the greatest kid.

[Langston Kerman]

That's so.

[Takara Williams]

He's the cutest little kid.

[Langston Kerman]

You want to bring us back in?

[David Bore]

Oh, yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, we were out.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

I mean, we can cut. We can eat anywhere out.

[Langston Kerman]

All of this is. It's like, yeah, get a chip.

[David Bore]

We get. We could. Sorry, Justin.

[Takara Williams]

Sorry, Justin. Yeah, I'll make it up to you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Justin love.

[David Bore]

There's one thing I know about Justin. He's resilient.

[Takara Williams]

I hate mukbangs. I hate people eating online, and most importantly, I hate people who are. I'm a big motherfucker. I hate big motherfuckers eating online.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Keep that shit in the dark.

[Takara Williams]

You're eating 10,000, 15,000 calories.

[David Bore]

No, that shit. It's like the level of waste, too.

[Takara Williams]

With a microphone right here. And you just hum, hum, hum. Why are you eating 19 McChicken sandwiches?

[Langston Kerman]

You know, it's.

[Takara Williams]

Did you eat a whole carrot cake?

[David Bore]

And where did you find a crab leg that big? Cause they beat having freak cracks. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They have, like, real animal fucking shit. And then make it seem like that's the way it always is for all of us. And it's like, nah.

[Takara Williams]

I watched a girl go from 100. I can't remember her name. I don't want to say her name either. Really cute girl. She went from like a 160, 170. She's like 300 and something pounds in two years because she's doing the mukbang.

[David Bore]

Yeah. All for the love of drug dealing.

[Takara Williams]

Fake.

[David Bore]

Fuck face swollen.

[Takara Williams]

She's so big. And she just go. And she just puts the weirdest food together, and she sits there and eats it on TikTok. She has 6,7000 people watching her just eat this shit. And I'm like, did y' all not see her go from 160 to 3 something in less than 2 years?

[Langston Kerman]

What do you think her greater ambition is?

[Takara Williams]

Money.

[David Bore]

I think it's all money.

[Langston Kerman]

Right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's money.

[Langston Kerman]

It's just money.

[Takara Williams]

You quit your job.

[David Bore]

This stuff is so devoid of all than it sort of has to be.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know what I'm saying? I think there is an artistry in like, a lot of stuff people do, especially social media shit where it's like some of this is so out of it. It's so just like base. You know what I mean? See me gorge myself. I don't think there is like an artistry in that that you're trying to perfect.

[Langston Kerman]

She at best has envisioned herself as like honey Boo Boo's mom more than like a true visionary form.

[Takara Williams]

That's what I'm saying. Once you. You get once. When you don't have a different source of income and you get that little bit of money off social media, I don't care if it's 2000, 3000. For this month, I've made 60,000 off social media. God damn it. When you. But when you. But when you get views. But when you get to.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what we got, views. We got to start trying that. We haven't tried views yet.

[David Bore]

We have not tried views yet.

[Takara Williams]

Just getting views.

[David Bore]

Yeah, it's not worth. We were trying.

[Takara Williams]

It'll work.

[David Bore]

It'll work.

[Takara Williams]

It'll work. But when you start getting views and you start making money off social media, people make that their entire source of income, which is fine. But then you start finding yourself doing things that you wouldn't normally do to upkeep this income.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

So now it went from you eating and you might not have even wanted to start a mukbang channel. You were just online talking, eating a bag of chips, and somebody was like, can you eat more chips online? You're like, sure, I can eat more chips online. And now you're eating chips and you dipping the chips in the dish, you know, and now you're doing this. And now you have a microphone here. You have a setup. You have a background. Now you're eating online. Now you're eating the most ridiculous. Why is there a big Mac a McChicken sandwich on together? And you put them between honey buns.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I know who you're talking about. I know who you're talking about. I seen that. She makes crazy all right. Yeah, it's a bummer sometimes. I gotta get back to me. I know what you're talking about.

[Takara Williams]

Why are you making that?

[David Bore]

That's, like, craz.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's a bummer. It's a really sad thing.

[Takara Williams]

And the fact that thousands of people sit here and watch you eat this just to see. Speaks volumes of just who we are.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

I think it's insane. And then a lot of them have passed away.

[Langston Kerman]

You're putting mayonnaise on a honey bun.

[Takara Williams]

You're putting whips. You're putting sour cream on a honey bun.

[Langston Kerman]

That's not that. Don't even. There's no science to that.

[David Bore]

There's also not like a.

[Takara Williams]

With barbecue sauce and pickles. And then also you're gonna add bacon. A chicken filet in the middle.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Sauce also not based in, like, a flavor profile with a nutty bar.

[Langston Kerman]

You're being a dog.

[David Bore]

It's pornographic.

[Takara Williams]

What do they call it? A trash pot? A toilet. I forgot. When they say when. It's when you put a bunch of food together and you eat it.

[David Bore]

Friday night.

[Langston Kerman]

Absolute bullshit.

[Takara Williams]

He said Friday night. All the leftovers from the week. But I think it's crazy when you start making. Making a little bit of money. I mean, I don't know if y' all saw that older woman. She had to be, like 50 something. She quit her job because she wanted to be an actress. And everybody on TikTok told her to quit her job. She could be an actress. So she quit. Evicted. Fuck are you listening to them for, bro?

[David Bore]

They don't even know you now.

[Takara Williams]

She started to gofundme because she lost. She quit her job.

[Langston Kerman]

They also don't watch tv.

[Takara Williams]

Nobody. Nobody's hiring her to act.

[Langston Kerman]

You're not. There's no opportunity from these people that weren't connecting on the media platform. You're moving to just stay here.

[Takara Williams]

Yes, I'm listening to these. That's why I say when you're on social media, have a talent. People get mad at me and say, you're on social media. And what does that say? There's footage of me working on social media on stage. I'm not on social media just rambling and talking shit and hoping that y' all like it. There's actual footage that you guys enjoy, and that's what I do it for. But outside of that, it's just, man, social media. Wild.

[David Bore]

That's why I gotta keep a few jobs, man.

[Takara Williams]

That.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Like two or three public. And then a couple people don't know about.

[Takara Williams]

Cause if not, you gonna be on Onlyfans.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm excited for.

[David Bore]

I don't even know what I would do on there, man. Oh, you could just, like. Part of you wants it to be fucking. Part of you knows it's not gonna be fucking.

[Takara Williams]

Somebody told me, just pull my pants up. They said, just do different videos of you just pulling your pants up, adjusting your pants. And I was like, no.

[Langston Kerman]

And they were like, you can make a killing.

[David Bore]

I try to fight first, but men are dogs, man.

[Takara Williams]

Just pulling your pants up.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it wouldn't take much. You ain't gotta do a lot for me, sweetheart.

[Takara Williams]

I'm right here.

[Langston Kerman]

I dig you just how you are.

[David Bore]

I like in the streets, what I like in the sheets.

[Langston Kerman]

We should do a voicemail.

[David Bore]

Let's do a voicemail.

[Langston Kerman]

One voicemail and then the other be the end of this.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, yeah, this was fun.

[Langston Kerman]

We. We get these listener voicemails. I'm just gonna pick one at random. Each a chip. We'll play this and see if it's good. Here we go.

[Voicemail Caller]

Well, first of all, I want to say I'm not drunk, I'm high.

[David Bore]

And I want to say I love.

[Voicemail Caller]

What you guys do. Okay, here's my thought, right? I'm sitting here and watching the NFL, and they're talking about the 2015 season and how far back it was. It was so long ago. And I turned it, I looked at my girl, and I go, you know what, man? I think that there's something with the way that white people talk about timeline. And I think the reason that they talk about times that were so close, 20, 15, 10 years ago, that ain't shit. I remember it. It was like yesterday. I think the reason that they talk about timeline in such distant men manner is because they're trying to get us comfortable with slavery again.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh.

[Voicemail Caller]

You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, you know, it was so far away that they killed Martin Luther King Jr. Especially with the most recent happening in Utah. To top it off, I live here in Utah, so I know exactly what it's like.

[Langston Kerman]

Can I say this brother is going through it.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah. It started out. It started. The tone started out friendly. It quickly got frantic. Yeah, he's.

[Langston Kerman]

He's spiraling a little bit. And I.

[David Bore]

And I've lived in a small town. I get. He's like, nobody's listening to me. I haven't been able to talk to anybody about this. This is me when Get Rich or Die Trying came out. So I understand, man.

[Langston Kerman]

And I actually don't even disagree with his theory fully, but his. His energy about it.

[Takara Williams]

Is he gonna cuss in a minute.

[Langston Kerman]

He's about to get.

[Takara Williams]

He's cussing. It's about to cuss.

[Langston Kerman]

Here come the.

[Voicemail Caller]

That they got going on right now. It's just crazy the way that white people relate timeline. As if things were so far away when again, you know, they shot Malcolm X just to shit. My grandmother was alive in that house.

[David Bore]

I want to know what you guys think about this.

[Voicemail Caller]

Let me know.

[Takara Williams]

First of all, he got off just in time. He said, my grandmother. Let me know what she said.

[Langston Kerman]

My grandmother.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Gotta go.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Hey, I hate your boss, too. This is a man who suffered many microaggressions in Utah. Is terrible for you.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, look, my black people hours are almost over. I ain't got much time here. Listen, black people get different breaks at work in utah. They get 15 minutes. We get 13 minutes. I.

[Takara Williams]

But I don't. I don't disagree.

[David Bore]

I don't disagree. I think that the. I think that a big argument that you get with white people pertaining to black people is the distance of whatever happened.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. It wasn't even that long ago. Your grandmother.

[Langston Kerman]

Bitch.

[David Bore]

Yeah, but they like to be like, that was 200 years ago or whatever.

[Takara Williams]

It wasn't. It wasn't.

[David Bore]

But that's. The argument is like, how could it not be completely different now? And it's like, my thing with that is always like. But those patterns take so long to take out of people. Like, they make it seem like the thing ended and then they were all like, no, we're totally cool.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, we're chilling.

[David Bore]

We're racially cool. Those feelings are still there.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah. There's a video up, and I saw it yesterday, and it was of a guy. I don't remember how old he is, but he's still alive. And he took a picture when he was a teenager drinking from a water fountain that said whites only. And he's still alive.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

It's not walking across the stage at some event taking pictures of the audience, just excited to be there, dancing, still alive.

[Langston Kerman]

The last.

[Takara Williams]

And he. That's him in the picture drinking from a water fountain that said whites only. And he's still alive.

[Langston Kerman]

The last living slaves died in our generation.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, we were alive while slaves were.

[David Bore]

Alive in one lifetime.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Think about how many people you know who don't change over one lifetime.

[Langston Kerman]

No, certainly not that slave.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

Like.

[David Bore]

Like, so it's.

[Langston Kerman]

He can't get that out of his head. You know what I mean? He's gonna Go. His whole life being like, what the fuck?

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

And we've come such a long way when you look at it and think about it to an extent. But then we also have it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

It wasn't that long ago.

[Takara Williams]

Which is the wild part. It's like, we've done so much, but have we really?

[Langston Kerman]

I think we've done so much in very specific cases, categories like technology. We've gone.

[Takara Williams]

Yes, that's what I mean. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

But as a species, I think we often conflate technology with advancement of, like, humanity. And I don't think that those two things are true.

[Takara Williams]

No.

[David Bore]

Because we got the same brains. We've been had.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep. I think we are not evolving no more.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah. Not in. Not in the time periods that we're trying to track.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean? It's just not. We're wired. I'm wired the same way I would have been wired if I was born 300 years ago.

[Takara Williams]

And people say things like, I could have never been a slave. Yes, you would have.

[David Bore]

Of course you would have.

[Takara Williams]

That was the only option.

[David Bore]

That shit is crazy to me. You have an Apple phone because you're embarrassed about Androids. What are you talking about?

[Takara Williams]

Do you really think that you wouldn't be a slave if you were born in a time where that was the option? A lot of people take the mental space that they're in now and what we have access to now. And you're thinking that if you had the mindset that you had now and went back to slave times, you couldn't be a slave. You wouldn't have this mindset.

[David Bore]

That's why you can't de. That's my problem with people going back and deeming things problematic as well. Like when they're like, oh, I watched this from the 80s, and it's like they didn't know no better.

[Langston Kerman]

It was a.

[David Bore]

You know what I'm saying? What are you talking about?

[Langston Kerman]

That's just how they talk.

[David Bore]

That's just what it was like. Like. To think that you would have been different at that time is a lie.

[Takara Williams]

I love Ari Lennox. I love you, girl.

[David Bore]

Are you talking about Bernie Mack?

[Takara Williams]

You know I love you. She.

[David Bore]

That was crazy.

[Takara Williams]

She hated Martin. Did you see what she said about Martin? She was like, he used to bother Pam and talk about her skin tone. She used to talk about his height.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

To me, that's one and one.

[David Bore]

And his ears.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

And I know people would disagree, but it's race and it's colorism and I get that, but it Wasn't a tone of entertainment and fun. And I know that some people be like, but that was really mean. But she didn't feel that way.

[Langston Kerman]

We, the consumer that it was built for don't. Did not feel that way. Nobody was looking at this and being.

[Takara Williams]

Like, it wasn't malicious. It wasn't malicious. It was just and good and fun. But you don't think that it's mean. Listen, my brothers is dark skinned. All my brothers are dark skinned.

[David Bore]

Shout out.

[Takara Williams]

I call them some black bitches at times.

[David Bore]

God damn. You think they mad?

[Langston Kerman]

See what you got excited for, I.

[Takara Williams]

Got excited for and I love them.

[Langston Kerman]

But we say now you're a black.

[Takara Williams]

But we say it in good terms. I've been in LA for 13 years and according to my family, this is not my real skin complexion. According to my. They think I got darker.

[Langston Kerman]

They think, oh, I thought, I thought they thought you got that salmon Sosa.

[Takara Williams]

They think that I got darker because I'm in la and they're like, you know, the sun is out more versus New York. It's rainy. We have our fall, we have our seasons. And my family members see me and they're like, why are you so dark? And I'm like, I'm dark. And they're like, yeah, you're dark. But apparently this is my complexion.

[David Bore]

Oh, oh, the apple. Watch. No, because my shit's milky under here.

[Takara Williams]

Is it okay?

[David Bore]

Yeah, my shit looks crazy under.

[Takara Williams]

Let me see.

[David Bore]

Yeah, let me show you. Let me see.

[Takara Williams]

Milky.

[David Bore]

Cuz that sometime, sometimes at the end of the day I take that off and I'm like, hey, God damn.

[Langston Kerman]

This might be your only fans.

[David Bore]

Yeah, look at this, look at that. It's like, it's like, yeah, there's some motion on there, but it's like, it's crazy.

[Takara Williams]

It's your color.

[David Bore]

That's not my color. No, this is app. App.

[Langston Kerman]

No, that's more my.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah, yeah, they changing us.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, it's too.

[Takara Williams]

But they used to call me me. You know, I'm. I grew up in the, in the sibling household. With eight siblings, I'm the only one that's this complexion. I have a twin sister. She's not even this complexion really. So I used to get called light bright white. What they used to call me. Look, she's turning red again. Like I used to get called all kinds of stuff and you know. Yeah. Nowadays people would be like your family members, when they called you that, they were. That's colorism. Shut the fuck up. I ate his ice cream.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Takara Williams]

I told on him. He got his ass whooped because I said that he did. And you did very light activities. So. But now. But in the climate now, people are offended. They going back to our classic shows that we loved and we grew up on and saying that it was offensive.

[David Bore]

It's also not real.

[Takara Williams]

You can't.

[David Bore]

I don't believe. I don't believe you. I don't believe people.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Takara Williams]

I didn't like the way Martin treated Pam. Cause Martin was always talking about her color and he would call her a dog and say, she's dark skinned and she's this. And that was just mean. And I didn't like the show. It didn't do anything for me. And that's fine, Ari. I still. But that's fine. But that was the. That's banter.

[David Bore]

Yeah. She didn't have a lot of kind words for Martin.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, God.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Takara Williams]

It's not like she walked in the door.

[David Bore]

Yeah. It wasn't like Pam was coming over like, hey, Martin, you're such a good guy. And he's like, you raggedy. You know what I'm saying? That was like. That was their whole get down. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, they were both being very nasty to each other.

[Takara Williams]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

And that's. And we loved it.

[Takara Williams]

And they loved each other.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Takara Williams]

They're characters in the show. I'mma shit on you here, you gonna shit on me here, but nobody better not fuck with you.

[David Bore]

And they always came together when they needed to. You know what I mean? Martin was a great example of like a friend group.

[Langston Kerman]

I would say. So.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They loved each other despite so many inadequacies.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like Cole is legit slow. And they were like, nah, that's my man. I don't care that he can't do nothing by himself but go to big mama house.

[David Bore]

Big Shirley's house. Yeah, Big Shirley's. But he was with them every day. He was never. He was with them every day.

[Langston Kerman]

Tommy's a drug dealer. Of course. We all know he's selling cocaine.

[Takara Williams]

Cocaine.

[David Bore]

Oh, yeah. Although he had too many silk shirts to not be.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that boy had money.

[David Bore]

Yeah, he was good.

[Langston Kerman]

That boy Thomas had money. Yeah, he looked good.

[Takara Williams]

I never knew how did the season end with him and Pam still being together.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, the series finale. Yeah, I don't actually remember.

[David Bore]

I don't remember. I just remember him shutting the door and writing. Or he wrote I'll miss you on the wall. Yeah, I don't remember if they were.

[Langston Kerman]

He wrote love on the wall.

[David Bore]

Oh, I thought he Wrote I'll miss you.

[Langston Kerman]

Maybe I'm wrong.

[David Bore]

Yeah, but I don't. I don't remember the Martin. The Martin episodes when the. It was the cartoon character intro that all kind of like. That's when Martin. It kind of starts going to hell.

[Takara Williams]

That's. With who?

[David Bore]

Martin. I don't know why I'm saying the.

[Langston Kerman]

T song the way you're saying it sucks.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I don't know why I'm saying it like that.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm so glad said that.

[Takara Williams]

It's just Martin.

[Langston Kerman]

It was hard to hear. Martin, Martin.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, now you say it right?

[David Bore]

I know the song.

[Takara Williams]

Martin, Martin, Martin. It's Martin.

[David Bore]

Martin, Martin.

[Takara Williams]

Not Martin. It's just I was sitting here looking at you going, what the fuck is wrong with him?

[David Bore]

What a.

[Langston Kerman]

What a bad way to say.

[Takara Williams]

Because, you know, when we got to the season finale of Martin, I'm like, that's not the show. I was watching. I was watching. Watching Martin.

[Langston Kerman]

I was watching Martin.

[Takara Williams]

I don't know. You had Pamela in that show. We had Pamela.

[David Bore]

Pamela.

[Langston Kerman]

You had that Nigerian rematch version of the thing.

[David Bore]

The song was different. I am demand. That ain't no damn dog. Gina, you are so crazy.

[Takara Williams]

What's up? What's up?

[David Bore]

What's up?

[Takara Williams]

You got to do the high vix one.

[Andrea Gunning]

Yes, sir.

[Takara Williams]

Oh, my God. You have such a good laugh.

[David Bore]

That really got me.

[Langston Kerman]

All right, well, I think we did it.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think this was. This was a great. This was great two weeks.

[Takara Williams]

I hope I did well.

[Langston Kerman]

You are a listener.

[David Bore]

Our voicemail listeners.

[Langston Kerman]

We got one listener to the man who sent the voicemail. Look, bro, you're going through a hard time. I don't think you're wrong, but I think you got some other problems facing you that maybe you should address first before you hit that time.

[Takara Williams]

You live in Utah.

[Langston Kerman]

You live in Utah. That's an important place to recalibrate.

[David Bore]

Why?

[Langston Kerman]

Get out of there and then we'll talk. Yeah. Takara, could you tell the people where they could find you what cool shit you got going on?

[Takara Williams]

Not in Utah. No, I'm kidding. Not in black. We're never booking her for a comedy show in Utah. Just check my website. It's Takara Williams on everything TikTok, everything. Takara Comedy, Takara Williams. But you can just go to takara.com, t a c a r a dot com, and you'll find everything there. We got Philly coming up next. After Philly, we got Tampa, Toledo, Ohio, New Jersey. You know I love me a little. It's east coast you know, I'm an East coast girl. I'm a New York girl. And just pull up on me. Hell yeah. Yeah, pull up on me.

[Langston Kerman]

Pull up. Do that.

[Takara Williams]

Bring some Cheetos.

[Langston Kerman]

Bring some Cheetos. Bori, what you got?

[David Bore]

Oh, just watch my special on YouTube on the 800 pound gorilla page. Birth of a Nation with the G cool guy jokes 87 on Instagram.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell yeah. And you can follow me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. You can watch my special on Netflix. It's called Bad Poetry. You can see me on the Aspiring Deadbeat Tour. I'm out now. I got a whole lot of cities that I'm visiting. Langstoncurman.com for all of that. Like subscribe, rate, review, do all the shit, buy the merch, give us a call at 844-LIL-Moms, we want to talk to you. Send us a [e-mail] and and most importantly, fix the timeline. Bye, bitch.

[David Bore]

Not only do I want you, but I need that. You understand? I need that. And I suck on your ass like a goddamn neck bone. Oh, pig's foot. I need that. I want that.

[Langston Kerman]

My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Plot, players network and iHeart podcast, created and hosted.

[David Bore]

By Langston Kirman, co hosted by David Bore, executive produced by Will Ferrell Hansani.

[Langston Kerman]

And Olivia Aguilar, co produced by Bay.

[David Bore]

Wayne, edited and engineered by Justin Cotton, music by Nick Chambers, artwork by Dogon Krieger.

[Langston Kerman]

You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube. Follow @Mama My Mama Told Me and subscribe to our channel.

[David Bore]

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[Patricia Arquette]

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[Andrea Gunning]

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[Patricia Arquette]

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[Andrea Gunning]

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[Takara Williams]

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[Takara Williams]

This is an iHeart podcast.