Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me – MTGM EXTRA! "Should I...?"
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Release Date: November 5, 2025
Podcast Theme: Two friends giving honest, unqualified advice (with lots of laughs) on the dilemmas of modern life, relationships, and everything in between.
Episode Overview
In this lively bonus episode, Vogue and Joanne dive into a listener’s big life question: “Should I move from Copenhagen to London at 32?” What follows is a humorous, honest, and surprisingly insightful chat about change, friendships, the realities of “making it” in a new city, apologizing (with or without a ‘but’), parenting, home life, and the chaos of growing up. As always, their dynamic is equal parts banter and empathy, peppered with relatable stories and mini-rants about everything from nannies to run clubs.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Tour Announcements and Life on the Road
- [00:10 – 01:10] The episode opens with tour news: Joanne reveals she’s added an "eighth" Apollo show, resulting in both hosts joking about practically living in venues around London and Dublin.
- Notable moment: Joanne offers Vogue a private box at the Apollo ("just you dangling out of a box") [01:03].
2. Trigger Warnings, Tipping Points & On-Stage Antics
- [01:11 – 01:41] The hosts joke about each other being their ‘trigger’ or 'tipping point' for various things, like quitting drinking or possibly (humorously) changing sexual orientation.
- Anecdote: Vogue referring to “that man wanking off in the corner” at a show [01:33].
- Quote:
- Joanne: “I'll give you a box on your own. It’d be great, just you dangling out of a box.” [01:03]
- Vogue: "Trigger. Joanne’s my trigger.” [01:11]
3. Flat Earth, Internet Rabbit Holes, and Space Oddities
- [02:18 – 04:12] Vogue confesses to falling down conspiracy theory rabbit holes online, believing in ice walls at the edge of Antarctica and a supposed spaceship headed towards earth.
- Joanne teases her gullibility and confesses her own algorithm serves mostly public apologies.
- Quote:
- Vogue: “I need to stop looking at the internet.” [03:13]
4. The Art of Apologies ('Sorry, but…')
- [04:25 – 06:24] The duo dissects different types of public apologies, especially those with caveats: “I’m sorry, but…” Joanne calls Vogue an “I’m sorry butter.”
- Funny moment: Discussion of what constitutes a "Williams apology" [05:35].
- Quote:
- Vogue: “If you're getting the I'm sorry, it's coming with a but.” [05:27]
5. Relationship Dynamics & Repair Theory
- [06:54 – 09:22] Joanne shares insights from therapist Esther Perel about relationships: conflicts (the “rip”) followed by making amends (the “repair”) actually strengthen bonds.
- They note that never falling out may mean never growing closer.
- Quote:
- Joanne: “If you never rip, you never have the chance to repair. ... when you get it back together... you do feel closer because you’ve come back to each other.” [08:22]
6. On Parenthood, Childcare, and The Myths of Nannies
- [12:08 – 15:17]
- Conversation explores whether being wealthy really protects couples from arguments (spoiler: it doesn’t).
- Vogue unpacks the realities of having childcare help—despite outsourcing, you’re still hands-on, especially if your kids always want you.
- Both hosts agree there’s always one parent doing “more.”
- Quote:
- Vogue: “But, like, they're her [Kim Kardashian’s] kids at the end of day, so they want to spend most of their time with her.” [13:47]
7. Teenage Chaos & Growing Up
- [16:14 – 17:52] Reminiscing about wanting to be the house where all the kids hang out, Halloween shenanigans, and the universal teen urge to socialize in weird public spaces.
- Quote:
- Joanne: “Kids do it though, don’t they? They always find a way.” [16:25]
Main Dilemma: "Should I Move to London?" (Listener Email)
[17:50 – 24:53]
Email Summary:
A 32-year-old Copenhagen listener asks if she should leave her comfortable, stable life to pursue her “heart’s yearning” to live in London, worried about friends, loneliness, costs, and starting over.
Personal Experiences & Advice
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Vogue’s Take: "Just Do It!”
- Vogue shares she moved to London around 29/30, didn’t overthink it, and had to work to make London work for her (“You have to work for London or London won’t work for you.”) [20:10]
- Tips: Immerse yourself, say yes to social invites, join things like Parkrun (even if just for the coffee after), and treat the first year like starting uni—seek out a flat share.
- Quote:
- Vogue: “If you don't do it now, like, when are you going to do it?” [21:02]
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Joanne’s Take: "Best Thing I Ever Did"
- Joanne agrees—moving to London was life-changing, even if lonely at first. Her advice is to consider proximity to work (“You won’t understand how big London is until you’re here.”) [23:03]
- Quote:
- Joanne: “One of the best things about being a single, child-free person is you can change up your life like that... You're not locked to Copenhagen now.” [21:18]
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On Overcoming Loneliness and Rebuilding Social Circles
- Joanne admits it takes effort: “Some of the friends I have over here now are so close to me, it's like I've known them all my life.” [22:03]
- Vogue is proactive, advising to be open, inclusive, and active—everyone can find their tribe in London.
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On Practicalities and Mindset
- Both stress: London can be friendly and full of opportunities, but expect shared flats, minor chaos, and big city logistics.
- "If you don’t like it, move home. At least you’ll know." [24:28]
Memorable Quotes
- Vogue: “You can sit on something for years and not do it... If you don’t like it, move home.” [24:28]
- Joanne: “My only thing is, find out where your job is and make sure you don’t live too far away from that—the city is massive, and that will be a nightmare.” [23:16]
Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)
- Joanne: “I'll give you a box on your own. It’d be great, just you dangling out of a box.” [01:03]
- Vogue: “You have to work for London or London won't work for you.” [20:13]
- Joanne: “If you never rip, you never have the chance to repair.” [08:22]
- Vogue: “If you're getting the I'm sorry, it's coming with a but.” [05:27]
- Joanne: “Kids do it though, don't they? They always find a way.” [16:25]
Closing Remarks
The episode ends with encouragement for listeners to keep sending in emails and a reminder that changing up your life—even in your 30s—is almost always worth it, even if it’s terrifying. Both hosts advocate for leaping into new experiences, working to make them your own, and not being afraid of the temporary discomfort that comes with change.
If you’re facing a “Should I…?” moment, Joanne & Vogue vote: Just go for it—but be ready to hustle, laugh, and maybe (eventually) join a run club.
Segment Timestamps Reference
- [00:10] – Tour banter & living in venues
- [01:11] – Triggers & on-stage stories
- [02:18] – Flat Earth/online conspiracy chat
- [04:25] – Apology culture
- [06:54] – Relationship repair theory
- [12:08] – Wealth, nannies, & reality of parental roles
- [17:50] – Listener dilemma: moving to London
- [20:00-24:53] – Detailed advice on moving, starting over
- [24:53-end] – Sign off, encouragement to email in
For listeners who missed the episode: Expect laughter, encouragement, and the acceptance that everyone is making it up as they go along in life—whether in Copenhagen, London, or just trying out a London run club for the first (or zero-th) time.