MTGM EXTRA! "Should I...?"

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me – MTGM EXTRA! "Should I...?"

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Release Date: November 5, 2025
Podcast Theme: Two friends giving honest, unqualified advice (with lots of laughs) on the dilemmas of modern life, relationships, and everything in between.

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Episode Overview

In this lively bonus episode, Vogue and Joanne dive into a listener’s big life question: “Should I move from Copenhagen to London at 32?” What follows is a humorous, honest, and surprisingly insightful chat about change, friendships, the realities of “making it” in a new city, apologizing (with or without a ‘but’), parenting, home life, and the chaos of growing up. As always, their dynamic is equal parts banter and empathy, peppered with relatable stories and mini-rants about everything from nannies to run clubs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tour Announcements and Life on the Road

• [00:10 – 01:10] The episode opens with tour news: Joanne reveals she’s added an "eighth" Apollo show, resulting in both hosts joking about practically living in venues around London and Dublin.
• Notable moment: Joanne offers Vogue a private box at the Apollo ("just you dangling out of a box") [01:03].

2. Trigger Warnings, Tipping Points & On-Stage Antics

• [01:11 – 01:41] The hosts joke about each other being their ‘trigger’ or 'tipping point' for various things, like quitting drinking or possibly (humorously) changing sexual orientation.
• Anecdote: Vogue referring to “that man wanking off in the corner” at a show [01:33].
• Quote:
  • Joanne: “I'll give you a box on your own. It’d be great, just you dangling out of a box.” [01:03]
  • Vogue: "Trigger. Joanne’s my trigger.” [01:11]

3. Flat Earth, Internet Rabbit Holes, and Space Oddities

• [02:18 – 04:12] Vogue confesses to falling down conspiracy theory rabbit holes online, believing in ice walls at the edge of Antarctica and a supposed spaceship headed towards earth.
• Joanne teases her gullibility and confesses her own algorithm serves mostly public apologies.
• Quote:
  • Vogue: “I need to stop looking at the internet.” [03:13]

4. The Art of Apologies ('Sorry, but…')

• [04:25 – 06:24] The duo dissects different types of public apologies, especially those with caveats: “I’m sorry, but…” Joanne calls Vogue an “I’m sorry butter.”
• Funny moment: Discussion of what constitutes a "Williams apology" [05:35].
• Quote:
  • Vogue: “If you're getting the I'm sorry, it's coming with a but.” [05:27]

5. Relationship Dynamics & Repair Theory

• [06:54 – 09:22] Joanne shares insights from therapist Esther Perel about relationships: conflicts (the “rip”) followed by making amends (the “repair”) actually strengthen bonds.
• They note that never falling out may mean never growing closer.
• Quote:
  • Joanne: “If you never rip, you never have the chance to repair. ... when you get it back together... you do feel closer because you’ve come back to each other.” [08:22]

6. On Parenthood, Childcare, and The Myths of Nannies

• [12:08 – 15:17]
  • Conversation explores whether being wealthy really protects couples from arguments (spoiler: it doesn’t).
  • Vogue unpacks the realities of having childcare help—despite outsourcing, you’re still hands-on, especially if your kids always want you.
  • Both hosts agree there’s always one parent doing “more.”
  • Quote:
    • Vogue: “But, like, they're her [Kim Kardashian’s] kids at the end of day, so they want to spend most of their time with her.” [13:47]

7. Teenage Chaos & Growing Up

• [16:14 – 17:52] Reminiscing about wanting to be the house where all the kids hang out, Halloween shenanigans, and the universal teen urge to socialize in weird public spaces.
• Quote:
  • Joanne: “Kids do it though, don’t they? They always find a way.” [16:25]

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Main Dilemma: "Should I Move to London?" (Listener Email)

[17:50 – 24:53]

Email Summary:

A 32-year-old Copenhagen listener asks if she should leave her comfortable, stable life to pursue her “heart’s yearning” to live in London, worried about friends, loneliness, costs, and starting over.

Personal Experiences & Advice

• Vogue’s Take: "Just Do It!”

  • Vogue shares she moved to London around 29/30, didn’t overthink it, and had to work to make London work for her (“You have to work for London or London won’t work for you.”) [20:10]
  • Tips: Immerse yourself, say yes to social invites, join things like Parkrun (even if just for the coffee after), and treat the first year like starting uni—seek out a flat share.
  • Quote:
    • Vogue: “If you don't do it now, like, when are you going to do it?” [21:02]

• Joanne’s Take: "Best Thing I Ever Did"

  • Joanne agrees—moving to London was life-changing, even if lonely at first. Her advice is to consider proximity to work (“You won’t understand how big London is until you’re here.”) [23:03]
  • Quote:
    • Joanne: “One of the best things about being a single, child-free person is you can change up your life like that... You're not locked to Copenhagen now.” [21:18]

• On Overcoming Loneliness and Rebuilding Social Circles

  • Joanne admits it takes effort: “Some of the friends I have over here now are so close to me, it's like I've known them all my life.” [22:03]
  • Vogue is proactive, advising to be open, inclusive, and active—everyone can find their tribe in London.

• On Practicalities and Mindset

  • Both stress: London can be friendly and full of opportunities, but expect shared flats, minor chaos, and big city logistics.
  • "If you don’t like it, move home. At least you’ll know." [24:28]

Memorable Quotes

• Vogue: “You can sit on something for years and not do it... If you don’t like it, move home.” [24:28]
• Joanne: “My only thing is, find out where your job is and make sure you don’t live too far away from that—the city is massive, and that will be a nightmare.” [23:16]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Joanne: “I'll give you a box on your own. It’d be great, just you dangling out of a box.” [01:03]
• Vogue: “You have to work for London or London won't work for you.” [20:13]
• Joanne: “If you never rip, you never have the chance to repair.” [08:22]
• Vogue: “If you're getting the I'm sorry, it's coming with a but.” [05:27]
• Joanne: “Kids do it though, don't they? They always find a way.” [16:25]

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Closing Remarks

The episode ends with encouragement for listeners to keep sending in emails and a reminder that changing up your life—even in your 30s—is almost always worth it, even if it’s terrifying. Both hosts advocate for leaping into new experiences, working to make them your own, and not being afraid of the temporary discomfort that comes with change.

If you’re facing a “Should I…?” moment, Joanne & Vogue vote: Just go for it—but be ready to hustle, laugh, and maybe (eventually) join a run club.

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Segment Timestamps Reference

• [00:10] – Tour banter & living in venues
• [01:11] – Triggers & on-stage stories
• [02:18] – Flat Earth/online conspiracy chat
• [04:25] – Apology culture
• [06:54] – Relationship repair theory
• [12:08] – Wealth, nannies, & reality of parental roles
• [17:50] – Listener dilemma: moving to London
• [20:00-24:53] – Detailed advice on moving, starting over
• [24:53-end] – Sign off, encouragement to email in

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For listeners who missed the episode: Expect laughter, encouragement, and the acceptance that everyone is making it up as they go along in life—whether in Copenhagen, London, or just trying out a London run club for the first (or zero-th) time.

Transcript

[A]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[B]

Hello and welcome to. My therapist ghosted me the bonus episode with myself, Vogue Williams and herself, Joanne McNally. Are you pulling a vicar street in the Apollo? Are you just living there now?

[A]

Oh, I know because we've added an eighth one. I know, it's bananas. And it's on sale now, by the way. Thank you, thank you. That was a very. That was a very handy little segue for me.

[B]

Well, I looked at it and I was like, well, at least she'll be in London now for the year. Instead of Dublin, it was Dublin. For Prosecco. It seems to be London for London.

[A]

It's. It's. Well, so Dublin's mostly John and March and then there's a couple more London we've added. There's three fresh Apollos now and on sale for February. I know, it's great. You have to come again.

[B]

Do you know what? I'm going to come once in London and another time in Dublin.

[A]

You can. I'll give you a box on your own. It'd be great, just you dangling out of a box. Trigger.

[B]

Warning. Trigger. Joanne's my trigger. What was that thing I said my therapist was saying to me? My tipping point. You're my tipping point.

[A]

Your tipping point? Oh, what, for lesbianism? Was that it?

[B]

No, not for lesbianism. For when I want to not have a drink. Juan would. My tipping point would be zero.

[A]

Sorry, for lesbianist.

[B]

You wish.

[A]

I thought it was cuz you fancy me on stage.

[B]

I do fancy on stage. I'll leave directly after the show and I won't touch anyone. I'll be like that man, wanking off in the corner.

[A]

It wasn't even the corner. It was full display. It was right in the middle of the aisle.

[B]

Absolute bloody sick. Are you still in? No, wait, where are you?

[A]

I am in London. Where are you?

[B]

Oh, I'm still in Dublin and it.

[A]

Is absolutely lashing rain. Well, I'm off today and when I say.

[B]

You'Re not really on. This is work. It's kind of work.

[A]

See folk, that's what. You and I differ. I enjoy this. You think you see me as labor.

[B]

Excuse me, John. I actually enjoy myself more than you can imagine on here.

[A]

Tell your face.

[B]

I have to tell you, I'm going real far down. I'm touching off flat earth there, like vibes here. I actually had to say to spend there. I was like, cuz he's going to Antarctica, he's starting his run soon. Yeah. And one of them. Yeah.

[A]

Is he allowed? Is he allowed? Wear A harness?

[B]

No, no harness for him. So, yeah, what would he be harnessed for? He's running and cycling.

[A]

No, but I mean, what's. Where does he keep his bits and bobs? Like, do you remember the running harness that you told me I couldn't wear because it was embarrassing?

[B]

I would hope. I had hope, for all of our sakes, he wouldn't be wearing a harness. I hope he has pockets of some.

[A]

Kind running around the Antarctica needs to keep his keys in his pockets.

[B]

Listen, I don't. I just don't think anyone deserves a harness.

[A]

I think if you're running around in Tartu, you'd put your keys in the lockbox, wouldn't you?

[B]

I don't think you to take your keys with you. But like, I've been looking at this stuff and I was like sitting with many there and I was like. And so what's this? What's this ice wall? And he was like, vogue. And I was like, what? I was like, have you seen it? He was like, vogue. That's the flat. That's what the flat Earthers think is the end of the world. There's no. And I'm like, I need to stop looking at the Internet. Because I was like, oh my gosh, look at that in Antarctic. Just into oblivion.

[A]

Well, so go on. I didn't know this. What's this? I love a concern.

[B]

There's like just like an ice wall that. The. That the flat Earthers believe. So it's just like sheer drop. You don't know what's below it and. But it's made up. It's not true. There is no just sheer drop of nothingness. But like, I saw it online and it's like, this is the end. This is. And I'm like, I thought it was.

[A]

When he was showing you his run and that he was going to run off the side of the Earth at the end. Sorry, you saw it somewhere else on the Internet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're. You're turning into me. You're becoming quite gullible.

[B]

Well, it's because of what I'm getting served up. And then I'm looking at this spaceship that's coming to Earth. Remember the one I told you about, about six weeks ago? Still on the way.

[A]

Supposedly I thought they discovered that was just a teeny tiny comet that was just gonna explode into Slithereens.

[B]

No. Well, it probably is, but what I'm getting served up is like, it looks like a bloody lovely hotel that's coming towards us. And I'm like, oh, God, where will I be? Who will I be with? Do I need to say goodbye to my mother? I.

[A]

My what My algorithm serves me apologies. Any and all apologies on. When people do a public apology on their Instagram account, I don't know why. I obviously have engaged them at some point and I do read every single one, regardless of whether it's a dog groomer in Carlo or if it's like Elon Musk, which of course he doesn't apologize, but you know what I mean? As in any single whatever standard of apology. How. Whatever profile the person has when someone's.

[B]

Like, see the apologies.

[A]

Oh, they're so. Some of them are like, you know, like. And this is. Look, no shade if you feel the need to apologize something. You know, you can't criticize someone who is going to apologize. But you know, these like that urge you. You apologize in your own way. You're.

[B]

You're, you're.

[A]

You're. I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's how you.

[B]

I'm sorry what I've done has seemed to have upset you, but that seems like a you problem.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm so. I'm sorry, boss. You're not. You're a bit of an I'm sorry butter.

[B]

If you're getting the I'm sorry. It's coming with a but.

[A]

It's a coming with a but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a caveat.

[B]

That's how I spell it. S O, R, R, Y, B, U.

[A]

T. There's a McWilliams caveat. Mac Williams. Did I just put names together?

[B]

Peggy Williams.

[A]

Oh, my God. I just called. Evoke McWilliams.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Joan Nally. I'm losing my mind. Yeah. There's a. There's a Williams apology.

[B]

And I'm.

[A]

I'm sorry, but I'm also correct.

[B]

It is. I'm not just saying this, and I know loads of people think this about themselves, but it's unusual now if I. If I have to apologize for something, it's unusual.

[A]

Yeah. You can sense that when you. You can sense you're not in your comfort zone. On the very, very few times I've seen it Urban on the receiving end of it. It's clear it's not your. It's not your natural state.

[B]

It really isn't. It isn't. And like, I apologize to Sven now by just being a little bit nicer. Even if I know I've done something wrong, I would just be like, would you want to go to Japan, Spencer? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Sorry about the affair. But I'm not going to bring. I'm not going to bring up that ladder row, but would you like to go to Japan? Here's a business class ticket for Japan, babe. Yeah, that's exactly.

[B]

I apologize.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sorry. But you did leave the house for an hour, Spencer. So what was a girl to do?

[B]

Yeah, precisely.

[A]

I actually think apologizing. It's. Remember I was telling you my. I was actually talking about this about you and me in an interview I did the other week about the. Estelle. Esther. Sorry, I just woke up but I was in late last night for Michelle. Esther Perell.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

One of my favorite kind of.

[B]

She's the left them.

[A]

No, that's Mel Robbins. Esther Perel. You'd love her. She. She is a sexual psychologist, I guess.

[B]

Oh, you've sent me stuff of hers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And she's very much. One of her best books ever is called Mating in Captivity. And it's actually about kind of how monogamy probably doesn't suit us anymore because we live so long and all this kind of jazz. But she has a theory on relationships which we. We are a relationship. We're not a romantic relationship. We're a friendship and a business relationship. And she your dad.

[B]

You might change your mind.

[A]

You're ovulating.

[B]

You'd.

[A]

You'd climb a bin. I've seen it.

[B]

I'm about to start ovulating. That's why when I saw the eighth Apollo, I was like, Jesus Christ.

[A]

Jesus Christ.

[B]

Little.

[A]

I'm a little wet, am I? When we're ovulating. Women that's. Apparently hip women swing their hips more when they're ovulating and everything because they want to get them pregnant. They want to get knocked up anyway is rip and repair. She said actually disagreements or kind of tension or like. Sorry, no disagreements. And kind of having it out with each other. But then repairing really quickly actually makes a relationship stronger. Like if you never rip, you never have the chance to repair. And all the all. Every time you. You know this as well, you fall out with someone and then when you. When you get it back together and you kind of say. You both say your bits and then you're at peace again. You do feel closer because you've come back to each other.

[B]

You do. And you also feel more like everything is kind of back to square one and empty and everything's been table things that you would have let slide for ages. And I think even that. Who was saying that they never fight with their wife? George Clooney. But now I don't think he fights with her because she is an amazing human rights lawyer. So I just don't think he'd be able to win anyway. It would seem futile to fight with her.

[A]

I'd say they don't fight because she's never around.

[B]

I was gonna say. I'd say they don't fight because she's so amazing. But no, I'd say they scrap over the nest. They must. They scrap over the Net Nespresso, because she probably wants to get a Sage and he's got the deal with Nespresso and like, they're scrapping over the Sage and the Nespresso.

[A]

They're. She does seem like. She does seem like an espresso girl. But you know what, as well. And I don't know. Look, I have no kids, which is something I'm saying a lot at the moment because I'm doing a lot of press at the moment. I was like, there's a lot of chat about bulimia, adoption and children at the moment.

[B]

There's a lot. I'll be.

[A]

I look forward to shutting the up once these shows are sold.

[B]

That's great. Well, that's what you. You can ask. That's not too bad. I can ask when I'm gonna have another child and. And like, mom guilt. That's all. I guess that's all.

[A]

Well, sorry, just a clap. Beyond that, just to clarify, I have no problem. To me, those things that they're all part of the kind of story of how I got to be doing the tour. You know what I mean? But, yeah, mom guilt. Yeah. Lily Allen gets asked a lot about that. Sorry, I did wait to bring her up. And I just also want you to know I've moved on from Lily.

[B]

Now you're done with it. I'm. Now I'm getting served up loads of stuff like that, though, because obviously we've been talking about. And I'm finding myself getting more and more interested. But there's a lot. I've seen a lot of backlashy articles now, I have to say.

[A]

Well, you know what's interesting? I remember we actually, when we spoke about it on the podcast, Cat, you were talking about the fact that, well, David Har was hanging out with kids, which is nice. Was it you was saying it? Or maybe it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't you. Maybe someone else was saying to me, like, well, she cheated on. On previous partners and she gave a dog back, and she doesn't remember how many abortions she had, and all this stuff so, like, she's not perfect. I'm like, no, no, no. No one's saying she's. I'm not saying she's perfect. I'm saying I just think it's a excellent album. I don't need to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of understand she's very outside of that album. I don't. It doesn't matter to me what other things she has done in her life. I can still enjoy the album.

[B]

Do you know what I mean? She said she gave her. She said she gave her puppy back because it ate her passwords. Like, just don't say anything. Just don't say.

[A]

I know. That was. That was. That was quite the reveal, Lily. I probably would have kept that to myself. I mean, I think she got more for that. For saying she doesn't know how many abortions she had. People don't like people giving back dogs or children. They're very against us.

[B]

No. Oh, my God. I'll never forget that YouTube couple who adopted a child and then gave him back, like, two years ago. It's like, oh, plan again.

[A]

I would have kept that to myself. Maybe got a cardboard cut out of the kid for Christmas cards or something to kind of keep him in the mix.

[B]

I think they tried. They tried to keep themselves. People were like, where's the. Where's the. The dog? Where's the child? Like, people were always asking me about Winston because he wasn't always in my content, but he wasn't really honest with it and now he's just not in it.

[A]

Well, we. Also. Winston was. You could see he wasn't. He wasn't buzzing off the content creation.

[B]

No, he didn't.

[A]

He was.

[B]

He wasn't.

[A]

He wasn't. The thirsty. The other one is.

[B]

Bertie is absolutely bloody mad for it.

[A]

This is one for you, Vogue.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I would assume that if you are a very wealthy parent. Yeah, Like. And if so, I think a lot of couples, they argue over because they're tired and it's about child care and about. If they. If they're trying to. If they're struggling to make ends meet, blah, blah, all that. Right. And they can't do their. They don't get nights out that often because they have to pay for babysitter and cost of living and all that. But if you're loaded, and I'm not saying. I'm actually not saying this about you and Spencer. I'm asking about the George and Amal. If you're absolutely loaded so you have no financial problems and you have. You can afford to have child care 24 hours a day, seven days a week. What do you argue about? Do you reckon? Sex? Money? No sex.

[B]

I don't. I don't really know because. Because, like, we do have child care and I, And I do say that, but like, also having child care, like, it's still, like, I'd say that, like the running of the house and everything, but maybe they're not running their house. Like, I, like, I kind of look after the running of the house and I, like, spend a lot of time with the kids and also with nannies, like, to try and. We got our nanny and we like to try and get somebody who's essentially home help. So. Because when you're there all the time, some nannies don't like that and they won't take the job. So trying to find somebody who doesn't mind that you're around quite a lot. Because we have one. Because I work from home a lot and if I want to do something with them, but I don't know what you would. Look at me. Look. I'm making excuses for having a nanny. I don't feel like I need to make excuses.

[A]

No, you don't. And you know what? As well, people. I know people. The term nanny really annoys people. It's just child care really, isn't it?

[B]

But just. I should just start saying. I should just start saying child care.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I don't know, I think if. I think you fight over just like, no, there's always somebody who's doing more than the other. And regardless of like, I mean, I don't know, Kim Kardashian has a chef and everything like that. And like, but like, they're her kids at the end of day, so they want to spend most of her. Their time with her. So it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the kind of stuff that becomes stressful because, like, obviously you want to spend all your time with them, but then you feel like you're doing more and more and more. And I can be. It can be quite full on. Like sometimes I feel like my day is just so hectic until. Until the kids go to bed. And I'd say that, like spending. Of course, he helps and does stuff, but they just kind of want to be with me a lot of the time.

[A]

That's the big. That's the big lie. Sell to me about nannying. I'm assuming if I had a nanny, I wouldn't have to do anything. I'd just be waving at the mate from my apartment while they're all out in the common Enjoying themselves like I wouldn't.

[B]

I am.

[A]

I'm assuming. I didn't realize.

[B]

You're not looking at any help then.

[A]

No, I'd like the nanny to collect them at 7am from the room next door to me. You won't go back into.

[B]

That's the problem. You won't. When you, if you have a child, which I think you actually will, I think that you'll have the baby and you'll think that you want to do that but. But you'll become so obsessed that you'll just want to spend all your free time with them. And then you're like, hang on a second, I have no free time anymore. Yeah, that can get quite stressful. You need to try and like carve out a little bit of time on your own sometimes. Like I went. That's why I go. I get up and go walking early in the morning or running. That's. Yeah.

[A]

I love, I like getting parents. I think you're a really good mom, you know.

[B]

Thanks, Joanne. I love it. Yeah, I love it. I actually do. I do. You know what worries me and it's, it's, it's so long away but I love it so much and I love the chaos of all of it. I want to have, when we, when we get our like forever home in London, I want to have that. I want our house to be the house that everybody comes to so that they can all just hang out out there and they have a nice time. They've got their own area. Because I want it like I love having people over and then maybe when they grow up they'll just be like, oh, we might as well just live at mom till we're 30.

[A]

You're gonna be that parent who. They're all gonna be. All the, all your kids. Friends are going to be drinking in that. In the downstairs area of the house. One of my mates, we had a loosey goosey house and everyone stayed the night there because we could get away with coming in late, we could get away with drinking. And then eventually Pat copped on and she was always trying to ring her mother to make sure I was there. And Pat ruined the party. But yeah, she ruined the Lucy Goosey.

[B]

Now the only thing is I would be like more, I'd be more strict than Spencer. Like I wouldn't really. I just want them to be there and have a nice time. I don't want them taking the piss out of me and like getting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And stuff like that. I don't have to deal with that crap.

[A]

Kids do it though, don't they? They always find a way. They always find a way.

[B]

Well, you always wanted somewhere to hang out because you're hanging out in walls so much. Like this now here today. And I just remember being so excited for Halloween to just go and stand outside doing nothing. Not trick or treating when I was older. Just standing there. Just standing like waiting to score somebody. I can still wait quite a long time.

[A]

No, no. Halloween was a gamey night. Halloween was. It was a sexy time for your kids, but.

[B]

But not for all of us who haven't grown into our mouth yet. So. It's true.

[A]

I. I remember I can still feel the ice, the. The wind blowing through my skin when I think of going out in Halloween. Because you want to be. You want to score up. You're out to score lots, which is why.

[B]

So you're not wearing any clothes. It might be a zip up maybe, but. Doubtful.

[A]

Yeah, you're trying to be cute. You're trying to be. You're trying to be like a sexy 15 year old, which is weird. And so you'd be out in your. You'd be skirts, like a, A sheer tight. A boost. Maybe a crop top. You were on.

[B]

On the sheer tights. Oh, no, I don't.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

I used to have like a skirt, like a belt. I mean they're a regular size and everyone else, but they'd be like a belt on me. I loved them. And then the jeans down to like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Partially showing your.

[A]

Yeah. Your front bowman. Your back bum. Yeah.

[B]

Your front bump. We have to do an email. Yes. Go.

[A]

Go first.

[B]

This is called. Should I. Okay. Without reading it. Watch it. I'm gonna say go for it. What are you gonna say?

[A]

I'll take the opposing argument and say don't do it. Just for balance.

[B]

Okay. Hi, Joanne, Vuj. Vogue, whatever you prefer. And Joe. I'm 32 years old. I'm single and childless and live in Copenhagen in a nice apartment with a great group of friends and a nice job.

[A]

Glorious.

[B]

Yeah, there's. They're all rides in Copenhagen. You can't live there unless you're a ride, so you must be a ride. Still, I can't shake the feeling that something is missing and always has been. I'm not talking about having a man and children. Absolutely that. But my heart yearns for London. Oh. Oh. I lived there a few years ago for a semester abroad and it was the best time ever. I still visit a few times a year and I'm at my happiest there. I've now landed a Job in marketing. And seeing as I happen to have Irish nationality, it's fairly easy. And visa, a visa free move. But I'm scared shitless. Starting over at 32 is a lot and moving away from aging parents, friends, having children, and the very stable life I have is scary. I currently live alone in my big flat, but I know that I'll have to pay twice the price in London for a moldy room with a thousand flatmates and no heat during the winter. Is it worth it? I know you two both made the move in your 30s and while your careers are way more impressive than mine, but we don't. We don't know that. How did you overcome all the scary emotions? The not having friends and family around, the loneliness, the expenses, the cultural differences, the having to start socially from scratch and all of it. I've been offered my dream, but something is holding me back. And I'm not sure it's anything other than my very comfortable comfort zone that is screaming to me, I must be an utter gobshide. Should I make the move? Should I not? What would you do in my situation? Mandatory but truthful. Love the pod. Oh, do it. I didn't. I think that you're overthinking it. I didn't even really think about it. I kind of was just like, oh, I'm moving to London now. And like, it's.

[A]

You were young, though. What age were you when you came over?

[B]

No, I was probably like 29, 30, and I'd come back from Australia and I just feel like one of my friends gave me. I don't know if James o' Neill told you this. We have a friend James. He said to me when I was moving there, because I was like, I must have been nervous for him to have said this to me. And he was like, you have to work for London or London won't work for you. So you can't just move to London and just expect everything to be brilliant and you're gonna have a great time and stuff like that. It's like any city, you have to immerse yourself and stuff. You have to like, get out and about and do stuff and make some friends. You'll make friends and work, make sure you go out with them, make an effort, go and see all the different things to see in London. Get involved, sorry to say, run clubs. Sorry.

[A]

I was all about it until you said that.

[B]

I'm sorry. They do this running club. I forget what it's called. You'd know. It's the Parkrun. Parkrun?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I haven't gotten involved yet. And they do it on a Saturday morning in Battersea and there's so many people and everyone just seems to have a really, really fun, nice time. And I see people clogging up the coffee shocks because I can't go when they finish their run club and, and it just seems like. So it's doing little bits and bobs like that. But you're 32. If you don't do it now, like, when are you going to do it? Like, is this opportunity going to come when you're 36 again? Just do it now when you can.

[A]

100%. One of the best things about being a single child free person is you can change up your life like that. Am I clicking? Can you hear me clicking my fingers like that? You're not locked to Copenhagen now. The elderly, the aging parents, that is, that is something to be considered. But like, it's not far. London is in my, in my opinion one of the best cities in the world. It completely changed my life. I was gagging to get over here. I just had to wait until I had a bit of a job. I, I think I waited to go. No, no, because even when I got signed by curb, I think I was still living in Dublin, coming back and forth. But I was in a relationship at the time in Dublin and I hadn't a pot to piss in because I had no job. I was just doing open spots for free the second I got over here. I'll be honest, it was lonely at the start and also lockdown, all that shit. But, but like some of the friends I have over here now are like, they're so close to me. It's like I've known them all my life. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And yeah, it's one of the best things I've ever done. We, we're very pro London. We're very pro London.

[B]

I think London is such a, like, cultural hub as well. There's just. Everyone's quite inclusive. Like, I don't find that people are like, they don't say hello or anything like that. I find it quite a friendly city and I think that everyone's happy for everyone to get involved. I really, I just. And you don't have to live in a complete shithole. Like I have lived in a couple of sh. Hoes in London, but I think it's, it's, it is good to share. Like if you can find a flat, share. I think for the first year, treat it like, like uni, where you're like you'd rather be in uni accommodation where you're gonna find some friends and people that like, you could possibly move out with after that. I would. I'd definitely do a flat chair. You could get a nicer ish place and just be clear. My only thing is, find out where your job is and make sure you don't live too far away from that because you actually. You won't understand how big London is until you're here. I once got a job. I was living in Stockwell and I was working in Lewisham. It me, I had to get two tubes, a train and a bus to work because I didn't know that it was so far. And that that will be a nightmare if you do that.

[A]

So, yeah, I'm moving from southwest London to East London.

[B]

Well, we haven't fully decided that yet.

[A]

I'm going to look at houses next week.

[B]

Well, I don't care.

[A]

But it's like ghosting. It's like I'm moving. I feel like I'm moving country. It's only over the other side of the city. But, yeah, London is huge. But that's the crack of us. And you can literally go in and watch Le Miserables tomorrow if you want. Or you can go. There's so much to do. I mean, Le Miserable is probably a kind of a wild example. I love Le Miserable.

[B]

Go to Hamilton.

[A]

I'm a Turner musical.

[B]

That's finished, I think. Joanne. No. Yeah, I think so. Cassie, can we fact check that? I'm sure that was brilliant. Did you see that?

[A]

I went to see it. It was great.

[B]

Tina Turn is like my icon. I loved. Hamilton is so.

[A]

I haven't seen it yet.

[B]

Oh, I'll go with you. Let's do a date. That's our Christmas present to each other. I'll get you a ticket to Hamilton. You get me a ticket.

[A]

Yours will just be.

[B]

Open the back stalls.

[A]

I was gonna say Vogue.

[B]

Sorry, John, you're angry up there.

[A]

Yeah. I thought we were gonna sit together now.

[B]

No, you've got a restricted view.

[A]

Yeah. While you're in the wings doing content for them. But do do it now, like, honestly, because the thing is, you can sit on something for years and not do it and then, like, you're better off doing it. If you don't like it, move home. And also, the great thing about being in London is you're so close to Europe, you can just get the Euro dart, the Euro train over to the continent and have a ball over there.

[B]

There's loads of fun stuff. If you do move. Let us know Vogue will introduce you.

[A]

To a run club.

[B]

Well, I'm not actually in the one club. I just watch it.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Let us know your movements. Yeah, okay. I enjoyed that morning chat.

[B]

That was a nice morning chat. Thanks everyone for listening and please keep sending in your emails too.

[A]

Hello, @mtgmpod.com There was a girl can watch me after one of the shows and she was talking about the Bear by Vogue lube story and she was like, more emails. And I was like, I know, I know. We do ask for them, we do get them.

[B]

We only ever do one because we shied on so much. But that was a great email. Clipping that up now for the Bear by Vogue page.

[A]

I'm. You should. I'm always about. I'm always about changing up, change up as much as you can. That's why I'm moving east, because I feel like I'm in a bit of a rush. I'm like, I need to change up.

[B]

Years. It's just really handy that I'm going to move to Clapham in the next couple of years and you're going to move somewhere else for sake.

[A]

I'm like, this neighborhood's going to the dogs. The William Matthews are moving in. I'm out.

[B]

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